| 1 | ''Majora's Mask'' may be the most ripe for fan theories and what-not than any of the other games in the series. Here is a list of such theories. |
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| 7 | [[WMG: Majora was [[LonelyAtTheTop a lonely deity of the heavens]] ]] |
| 8 | When you reach the inside of the Moon, you witness [[AcidTripDimension a surreal past vision]] of the four Lunar Children, wearing the masks of Odolwa, Goht, Gyorg and Twinmold. They are having fun. While Majora is by himself, under the tree [[IJustWantToHaveFriends and no one will play with them]]. Odolwa, Goht, Gyorg and Twinmold when they were alive were benign gods, though found the mortal realm, Termina far below, both fascinating and perplexing. [[WhatIsThisThingYouCallLove Never quite grasping human emotion or feelings]], Majora could not comprehend what "fun" even was, or how to do it properly. But Majora's increasing isolation from the others [[StartOfDarkness begets malice]], and eventually murders the other deities, [[DemonicPossession reanimating their remains]]. This brings the wrath of the Fierce Deity down upon him. |
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| 10 | [[WMG: Majora's Mask was created from a Piece of Heart]] |
| 11 | Just look closely at Majora's Mask. Doesn't it look a lot like a piece of heart? |
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| 13 | [[WMG: The Mask is a captured spirit/god trying to get free]] |
| 14 | The mask salesman never really spoke of the being sealed in the mask, only of its power and use by the ancient tribe. Also, I never interpreted it as the mask itself that sought to "consume everything", but rather the moon given a twisted life to fulfill the mask's aims. Thus, the mask always seemed to mainly only desire ''destruction''. Why then? If masks contain souls, perhaps Majora's mask came from a god that was trapped by the maskmakers and forced to serve them. Trapping a god would take a powerful seal, and that seal might be unbreakable without the kind of force that can destroy a world. This god is then really just desperate to break its bonds and go free, and will use anyone and even destroy worlds to do so. That's why when Link finally defeated the Wrath it seemed almost like a shell containing a mass of light, it was exactly that. This's why it appeared as a child identical to the others, and why it called Link a "bad guy", because he was the "villain" who was keeping it from finally achieving freedom. And when Link finally broke the spell, it departed in a huge stream of light streaking across the sky in the ending. |
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| 16 | [[WMG: ''Majora's Mask'' is a nightmare]] |
| 17 | Think about it. ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaLinksAwakening'' provides precedent for a Zelda game being AllJustADream. Why not MM as well? Termina is similar to Hyrule in many ways and filled with [[{{Expy}} expies]] of people Link got to know well in ''Ocarina of Time'', usually with horrible things happening to them. (And ever wonder why there's no expy of Link in Termina?) It's just familiar enough to be a product of his own psyche. [[NightmareFuel/MajorasMask Creepy things]] happen in MM, repeatedly, especially given the [[GroundhogDayLoop day cycle]], which smacks of someone reliving all the fears he encountered during his earlier quest. [=OoT=] contained a decent amount of horror as well, did it not? Now, what the Song of Time actually does, instead of actually changing time, is ''wake Link up''. The next night, he has the nightmare again, until he can finally overcome and banish his fears by defeating the Mask. |
| 18 | * {{Jossed}}. Any kind of "dream theory" has been jossed by Aonuma himself. Further evidence can be gathered [[http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/aonuma-debunks-majoras-mask-dream-theory here]] -- well as far as "Link is having a dream" goes. |
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| 21 | [[WMG: Majora was of the Lost Tribe.]] |
| 22 | It's Majora's Mask, so if it represents the Lost Tribe, then Majora was the creator of the Mask. |
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| 24 | [[WMG: Majora feeds off of suffering and despair]] |
| 25 | My theory about Majora has always been that he/she/it gains pleasure and nourishment from pain and suffering. It goes around Termina ruining everyone's life. It never kills anyone, just leaves them perpetually miserable so it can feed. On top of all these shenanigans, it destroys the world, not immediately, but slowly over a period of three days, allowing all those juicy negative emotions to build up before finally gorging itself on killing everyone. Majora chose to attack specifically during the Festival of Time for the added benefit of ruining everyone's fun. It drew Skull Kid to the mask because he had so many negative emotions that could give it power. This food would have allowed it to escape the mask and return to full power, as shown when it escapes the Skull Kid in the endgame, because three days worth of anguish finally gave it the power to do so. After the moon crashed, it would have assumed it's true form, which could survive Termina's destruction and go on to wreak havoc on other worlds. |
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| 27 | Most disturbingly, it gains power from all pain and suffering, even its own, as evidenced by its orgasmic cries when you hit it in the final battle. |
| 28 | * What you're implying is that Majora is a sadist? |
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| 30 | [[WMG: Expanding on the above, Majora was a child of the lost tribe.]] |
| 31 | All of the transformation masks have the soul of a person in them, so why not Majora? And this game does seem to carry a theme of creepy children. Anyway, my guess is the ancient tribe needed a sacrifice for the mask. They chose Majora. However, considering the masks use, Majora was subjected to [[ThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow things NO mortal was meant to see]], much less a child. The trauma this caused turned Majora into what we saw it as. A pure heart is not necessarily good after all. |
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| 33 | [[WMG: "Majora" is not the mask itself, but the name of the mask's creator]] |
| 34 | After all. The name has a possessive noun. |
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| 36 | [[WMG: Related WMG: Majora's Mask's power is to create and control horrible nightmares.]] |
| 37 | Link has to defeat its dreamworld avatar (its weak point) to to destroy its illusion and be released. That's why time travel doesn't work, and why the {{Plot Coupon}}s don't disappear- he's too emotionally invested in getting the items, and creating them himself instead of simply carrying around fragments of the world like rupees and trade items. The four giants and the moon children are beings that police the dream world that Majora corrupted or enslaved (or in the case of the moon children, [[TheFairFolk may not have been so Lawful in the first place]]). The Great Fairie and other helpful aspects were just bits of his memories (as in the above guess) that Majora or its mask couldn't yet corrupt completely. The ColonyDrop is when Majora finally kills, [[MindRape breaks]], or otherwise makes it impossible for Link to recover, and the Song of time disrupts the spell. |
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| 39 | [[WMG: ''Majora's Mask'' is a dream caused by the Temple of Time to get Link ready for his Post-Time-Skip adventures.]] |
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| 41 | What else was Link doing in the seven years he was sleeping there? And because time is so flexible in the Temple, he meets people he will be running into as an adult. You can also get a Bow and Arrows, as well a Hook Shot in Majora's Mask--something that only Adult Link can use in Ocarina of Time. |
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| 43 | Thus the Majora's Mask version of Link, or at least a representation of his inner child, is the Skull Kid, who represents Link's fears of growing up. But upon realizing that 1) growing up means he gets to take a level in badass (the Fierce Deity Mask), and 2) he'll still remain who he is on the inside (the Skull Kid sniffs him and is happy to find that Link is the kid who befriended him in the Lost Woods), Link is finally ready to wake up and take the mantle of responsibility. |
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| 45 | * Then why does he start the game looking for Navi? She was just as suspended as he was. |
| 46 | ** Flash forward to when Link actually loses Navi? * shrugs* Haven't quite worked out all the lumps in this WMG yet. |
| 47 | ** Link's subconscious realization that, because he can grow older, he is truly not a Kokori and thus not entitled to a fairy? |
| 48 | ** Because Navi's also in stasis, she's in her own dream world and is experiencing her own adventure? Link wouldn't know this and began to miss her, thus beginning the plot for Majora's Mask. |
| 49 | * Each of the different temples reflects a challenge of growing up. The Woodfall Kingdom reflects the anguish of injustice that is so InherentInTheSystem that defying it seems impossible; the Gorons reflect the sorrow and instability that comes with the death of beloved authority figures; Link's adventure as Mikau has him grappling with the challenges of fatherhood (work with me here); and Stone Tower is the greatest dread of all: the realization of one's own morality, that fact which turns the world upside down. |
| 50 | * Expanding on this, perhaps seven years was not an arbitrary number chosen by the sages but the amount of time it took him to defeat Majora and therefore be worthy of the Master Sword. |
| 51 | * One problem: At the beginning of the game, the written narration describing why Link is in the Lost Woods explicitly says that this is occuring after Link saved Hyrule, which could not be true if this is all happening in his head while he's trapped in the Sacred Realm. |
| 52 | ** Easily explained. Rauru may have known that Link failed, but Link himself had no idea. Therefore, in his head, Link HAD just saved Hyrule. The Zelda vision in the beginning is also explained away as being a part of the dream, created to explain to himself why Zelda wasn't in Termina. Since Zelda had communicated with him through such in the past, his mind saw it as an easy scapegoat. |
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| 54 | [[WMG: Majora's Mask is a hallucination caused by Ganondorf in order to gain revenge on Link]] |
| 55 | After Ganon is defeated and banished at the end of Ocarina of Time, he uses his last powers to take control of Phantom Ganon's spirit, trapped in the "void between dimensions", to which there is a portal in Kokiri Forest. He then uses the influence of the void to take control of a Skull Kid, and eventually, both Link and the Skull Kid (and Epona) end up in the void, which is really nothing more than a void. It is now that Ganondorf induces a grand hallucination into the minds of his captives, hoping to break Link's mind. However, the Happy Mask Salesman, a mysterious entity, appears into the void to help Link escape the hallucination before it's too late. Eventually, Link succeeds, but both he and the Skull Kid (and possibly Epona) have no idea that it was a hallucination, and spent the rest of their lives thinking it was all real. Oh, and the fairies weren't actually real, just aspects of Ganon's will. If you choose to believe the "Link commits suicide" theory, then Ganondorf actually did succeed in breaking Link. |
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| 57 | [[WMG: Majora was a Woman.]] |
| 58 | Majora's Incarnation and Majora's Wrath have awfully womanly figures about them, and if you listen to it/her when hit, there is a shrill scream. |
| 59 | * If Majora is a woman, does that mean that she is the immortal or reincarnating Termina counterpart of Princess Zelda? |
| 60 | ** Or, perhaps somehow the counterpart to the goddesses? There are three versions, after all... |
| 61 | ** If Majora = Zelda and Fierce Deity = Link...oh, the implications. |
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| 63 | [[WMG: Majora is the evil side of Kamaro, the spirit dancer.]] |
| 64 | First off, Kamaro's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nngAa-eEP2w&playnext=1&list=PL036AC962E4793591 dance music]] sounds suspiciously similar to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpmOZasEfHo Majora's Leitmotif]], especially at the beginning. When you meet Kamaro, he is expressing his regrets toward the ''moon'' that he didn't get a chance to spread his dance to the world. Majora's Incarnation also seemed to have a love of dance, although in his case, it was an insane, manic dance as opposed to Kamaro's gentle motions. Perhaps Majora's mask was created by a ritual that transformed the ''evil'' (or perhaps the "id") of a person into a mask, leaving the soul to wander the earth as a ghost, sort of like a corrupted version of the Song of Healing? |
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| 66 | * Don't forget that Kamaro stated more than once that he was dead. |
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| 68 | [[WMG: Kamaro ''created'' Majora's Mask.]] |
| 69 | Related to the above, Kamaro is a member of the lost tribe that created Majora's Mask, and his dance is the "anti-Song of Healing" ritual that transforms the id of a person into a mask. Why does he want to spread his dance to the world? Why does he say that he wanted to "stir the world into a giant melting pot" with his dance? Why is he expressing his regret toward the ''moon''? Because he died after creating only one mask, which only had the power to bring down the moon ''slowly''. Since then, he's been perfecting a "long-incubation" version of his dance, which would have a chance to spread across the world before transforming everyone who witnessed it into evil world-destroying masks. And you just taught it to a pair of dancers. NiceJobBreakingItHero. |
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| 71 | [[WMG: Majora is {{Satan}}]] |
| 72 | It had to be said. There are three Goddesses, with the Triforce that represents them (perhaps unintentionally) evoking the Christian Holy Trinity. Obviously, they're {{God}}. Ganondorf is "only" a human, albeit one who somehow gained a piece of God's power. Not quite Devil material. Then who would be the Zelda Satan? Well, certainly none of the villains who ended up HijackedByGanon. But of those who weren't, Majora has the whole bit of "mocking" God. Three forms: the "Mask", the "Incarnation", and the "Wrath", as a parody of the Holy Trinity. Remember that in ''Literature/TheDivineComedy'', Satan himself had three faces in a similar mocking. The NumberOfTheBeast is also a "trinity" (of sixes, in this case) in an attempt to mock God. |
| 73 | * Not a trinity of sixes but six hundred and sixty six. It would not have looked like 666 in old Hewbrew or Greek. The "trinitarian" theory is not about three beings but a way of explaining the contradictory nature of the monotheistic God. |
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| 75 | * Flat, the composer brother, sold his soul to the devil. It's stated plainly in the game. Since there doesn't seem to be any other devil around, he's probably referring to Majora. That's right. Majora is Satan and Flat sold his soul to him. Rated E for everyone. |
| 76 | ** Actually it was Sharp who sold his soul. Flat states this when you free him from the Iron Knuckle: (Referring to Sharp) "He sold his soul to the devil and was the one who locked me in here." |
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| 78 | ** Majora could also be [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword Demise's]] counterpart in Termania. |
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| 80 | [[WMG: [[http://www.zeldawiki.org/images/c/c5/Majorasmask.jpg These tendrils]] hanging from Majora's Mask are how it controlled Skull Kid.]] |
| 81 | The tendrils wormed their way through his body and manipulated it like PeoplePuppets. |
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| 83 | [[WMG: Majora's Mask actually limited the Skull Kid's power.]] |
| 84 | The reason he was more destructive was because it was goading him on, not because he had any greater abilities. |
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| 86 | [[WMG: Majora's worshipers were an alternate universe counterpart to [[ShadowArchetype Dark Link's]] race]] |
| 87 | If you've played [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess TP]], chances are you remember that creepy cutscene where Lanayru described the history of the Fused Shadows. Now, as everyone and their mother has pointed our on the [[WMG/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess WMG page for that game]], Majora's Mask bears an uncanny resemblance to the Fused Shadows. Thus we can assume that the tribe that worshiped Majora's Mask and used it in dark rituals was the counterpart to the Twili's ancestors, and that the sealing of the proto-Twili in the Twilight Realm happened at the same time as the disappearance of the ancient tribe. But check the cutscene again. Who stands in for the Dark Interlopers? It's Dark Link. This at least implies that Dark Link's race was the proto-Twili, and thus the Majora worshipers. |
| 88 | * The only issue is that except in Ocarina of Time, Dark Link is explicitly mentioned as being a copy of Link created using Shadow magic. There can also be more than one of him at once. VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaFourSwordsAdventures and VideoGame/HyruleWarriors both have multiple copies of him running around at once. They're also implied to be mostly mindless puppets. The one in Ocarina of Time is implied to be magic as well, since he doesn't appear in the room until after Link checks the door out of the room they fight in, which also has an illusion to appear as a foggy lake with small buildings in it until he's beaten. Then it just looks like a normal room. |
| 89 | * The Dark Link in the cutscene in Twilight Princess is just a stand-in for the interlopers; the game isn't saying that he was one of them. It's symbolic of how certain people gave in to dark powers in order to try to claim the Sacred Realm and the Triforce. |
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| 91 | [[WMG: Skull Kid is Link's Terminian counterpart.]] |
| 92 | Before he became a Skull Kid, he probably had a backstory similar to Link's, i.e. his parents fled some disaster and wound up in Kokiri woods. He was raised by the Deku Tree as well, but got lost in the Lost Woods before getting his fairy, which is why he became the Skull Kid. this would also explain how he wound up in Termina, since his counterpart was able to cross the dimensional boundaries (when he was a baby, but still) then the law of equivalent exchange would grant him the same ability/luck/power/whathaveyou. this seems to be supported by a few key singularities the two share, like affinity for playing musical instruments, becoming friends with Saria, and being way to curious (as all players are when they first play a Zelda game and don't really know what to do) |
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| 94 | [[WMG: The Skull Kid from Twilight Princess is the same one from Ocarina of Time/Majora's Mask]] |
| 95 | That he knows how to play Saria's Song, which Link taught to the Skull Kid in [=OoT=], seems to be proof enough. This is made even more plausible by the fact that TP apparently takes place in the same "Hyrule survives" timeline created by MM. Also, he appears in the Sacred Grove, an area that bears a conspicuous resemblance to the Lost Woods (in both background music and terrain), where the original Skull Kid lived. It's even possible that he was drawn to TP's Link because he reminded him of the old Link. |
| 96 | * Supporting this is the fact that the grandmother's tale implies that said Skull Kid predates the creation of Termina by the four giants, meaning that he's immortal (given that he's a playmate of the local ''creator deities'', one wonders why the witches describe pre-Majora's Mask Skull Kid as a harmless little punk). |
| 97 | ** The Skull Kid is recalled by Tatl when you first enter the Southern Swamp to have been completely friendless when he first arrived in Termina. He wouldn't necessarily have been a playmate of the local creator deities prior to the start of the game. |
| 98 | ** I'm pretty sure he was friendless because the giants, who were his friends, left him to go guard the four areas. Greater good and all that. |
| 99 | ** The four Giants didn't create Termina. That was the Goddesses (by accident, according to WordOfGod). The Giants are ''guardian spirits''. |
| 100 | *** Not really. That was made up by the American Zelda website, which is infamous for posting non-canonical facts. |
| 101 | ** It's implied that skull kids are immortal in [=OoT=]. It is stated that if a Kokori stays in the woods too long, they'll become a skull kid, a cursed, faceless being who's lost in the woods forever. Also, the Kokori seem to be immortal to begin with. |
| 102 | *** You're thinking of when Fado told Link about Grog, right? She said he turned into a Stalfos. Which is quite different from a Skull Child, but an easy mistake to make. |
| 103 | *** Nah it was Navi that suggested that children turn into Skull kids ''"Skull Kid - Is this what happens to kids who wander into the forest? It looks like he doesn't like grownups."'' but she doesn't know. |
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| 105 | [[WMG: Majora's Mask was made by the Twili]] |
| 106 | A tribe using black magic made it, eh? And it's behaving a LOT like Zant. Oh, and don't forget that OTHER artifact of doom, which Link and Midna had to reassemble, which was said to be just as dangerous and had pretty simmilar markings to the Majora's Mask on it. |
| 107 | * Except this implies that the Twili made the fused shadow. The way Midna speaks about it seems to indicate that it's older than they are. |
| 108 | ** Of ''course'' it is! Didn't you read the part about The Twili being descendants of the makers? They weren't Twili yet! |
| 109 | * Not only are the markings similar, the Twili seem obsessed with masks in general. So much so that Midna wears link's sheild on her face when trying to figure out how human weapons work (and yes Midna even implies at the time that she thinks the sheild is a weapon). This implies that the Twili think of masks as weapons and essential battle gear. As such if they were to make some ultimate weapon, they would make a mask... IE Majora's mask. |
| 110 | ** In TP, Midna points out at one point that the Twili lost a previous king to his own lust for power. Wouldn't be surprising if 'lost' actually means 'had to be trapped inside a mask and sealed away before his psychotic shenanigans killed EVERYTHING'. |
| 111 | ** The Happy Mask Salesman's dialogue notes that |
| 112 | --->"''It is called Majora’s Mask. It is an accursed item from legend that is said to have been used by an ancient tribe in its hexing rituals…''” |
| 113 | --->"''According to legend… the troubles caused by Majora’s Mask were so great… the ancient ones, fearing such catastrophe, sealed the mask in '''shadow''' forever, preventing its misuse…''” |
| 114 | This lends a lot of credibility to this theory. After all, the Dark Interlopers were noted to be masters of magic, and dark magic like hexing would be a powerful weapon indeed, judging from what we see the mask do over the course of the game. |
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| 116 | [[WMG: Majora is another product of [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword Demise's]] curse.]] |
| 117 | It's established in ''Skyward Sword'' that Demise is the GodOfEvil, and the curse he places on Link and Zelda at the end of the game states that their descendants/future incarnations will be forever plagued by a manifestation of his hatred. Link of [=OoT=] and MM is clearly one of those, and it's never clearly stated that Ganon is the ''only'' result of Demise's hatred. Since Termina was also created by the goddesses, it seems possible that some bit of his evil managed to seep its way inside and eventually take the form of Majora's Mask. |
| 118 | * Problem, Majora was plaguing the land long before it had any Links or Zeldas in it. |
| 119 | * Ganon isn't the ''only'' incarnation of Demise's curse, and (as evidenced by the ever-increasing timelines) we haven't seen all of the history of the Links that have lived. It's entirely possible that a previous incarnation of Link (either previously seen or a heretofore unknown incarnation) fought and defeated Majora in the past, leaving the Mask as a SealedEvilInACan. |
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| 121 | [[WMG: Majora's Mask's spirit isn't Majora, it is [[VideoGame/CrashBandicoot Uka Uka]]]] |
| 122 | Probably Uka Uka was transferred to alternate dimension when he was locked to his underground prison? |
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| 124 | [[WMG: Majora is one of the gods worshiped by [[Franchise/SilentHill The Order]] ]] |
| 125 | It's a monster that tries to destroy the world, and its later forms certainly look like something out of Silent Hill. |
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| 127 | [[WMG: Majora is Demise's [[ManBehindTheMan God Behind The Demon King]]]] |
| 128 | Majora's main stick in the story is its being a master in manipulating every single event so to spread chaos and destruction. As Majora's main nature is unknown, it might also be that what we saw, being just a mask, is [[FridgeHorror only a fragment of its very power]] and that could do much, much worse. As the Moon crashing Termina is among the most striking moments in the whole story and that Kaepora Gaepora defines Majora's as 'the most powerful threat [Link] has ever faced', and the dozen of blasphemous signals in the Stone Tower alongisde its obvious relationship with Majora's Mask, makes Majora a way worse and superior dark equivalent to Demise, as while he is an EvilCounterpart to Hylia, Majora seems almost as if being the dark opposite to the Golden Goddesses themselves. What is to say it wasn't Majora to create Demise? As to why Majora never came up, it's because he is both sealed inside an AlternateUniverse (which he was about to destroy, and that he would have survived to, as the cutscene of Termina destroyed suggested) and because, as a good old textbook Lovecraftian EldritchAbomination, Majora is not going to intervene directly, because Hyrule is that meaningless |
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| 130 | [[WMG: Majora is the King of the Gods]] |
| 131 | He is above even the three Golden Goddesses and has chosen Termina for destruction and brought Link there because Link's creating the Child Timeline went against the rules and so Majora wants to punish Link for his crimes. Plan backfired. |
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| 133 | [[WMG: The monkeys are descendants or remnants of the the tribe that created Majora.]] |
| 134 | Just take a look at the [[http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9290/monkeys.png monkeys]] from ''Majora's Mask'' and ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess Twilight Princess]]'' (centre and right). Compare the facial patterns to the mask itself. Perhaps the mask is a stylised representation of a monkey named Majora? |
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| 136 | [[WMG: Majora is the Terminans name for the Daedric Prince Sheogorath.]] |
| 137 | They're both utterly insane, share a similar color scheme, primarily purples. Both have a tendency to turn things into other things, ala the Wabbajack, and both also tried to drop a moon on a city. Majora did so to Clock Town. Sheogorath to the city Vivec. Majora's Mask is one the Daedric artifacts like the Wabbajack. |
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| 139 | [[WMG: Majora created the Fierce Deity's Mask itself.]] |
| 140 | It either made the mask out of whole cloth or imprisoned the Fierce Deity inside it. It gave the mask to Link because….well, why not? It's all but stated Majora sees the whole conflict as a game of tag and Link as something like a WorthyOpponent. It's not whether you win or lose the game, it's how you play. |
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| 142 | [[WMG: Majora and Fierce Deity are two NeutralEvil Gods who go to different extremes.]] |
| 143 | Majora may be considered somewhat of a Fatalist and thinks that any attempt to stop what is determined is a crime against nature. He sees Termina as something that will end up destroyed in a cataclysm and that Link attempting to stop it providing everyone with false hope, which is why he chooses to engage Link directly. |
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| 145 | Fierce Deity believes that all circumstance can alter the events of the future and seeks to eliminate death completely, granting Link the power to fight Majora more easily and alter the future for Termina. He may be planning to pull a GrandTheftMe on Link and use his time powers to create a StableTimeLoop in which noone will die. Which has it's own problems down the line. |
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| 147 | [[WMG: The Ancient Ones were the [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess Interlopers]], the Majora's Mask was the [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess Fused Shadow]], the [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess Twilight Realm]] is the Terminian counterpart to the Sacred Realm, and "Majora" never existed, at least not as a single individual entity.]] |
| 148 | From his place of [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime banishment]], Ganon reached out to Termina for followers to do his bidding and bring him the Triforce. His malevolent will touched the heart of [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess Zant]], a delinquent member of a tribal race (not yet the Twili) proficient in hexing. Under Ganon's instruction, Zant usurped command of his people and set them to work constructing the Stone Tower, with the final objective of growing it tall enough to form a trans-dimensional bridge through the distant highlands of Hyrule, pierce from there the Sacred Realm itself, and obtain the Triforce. |
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| 150 | The "interlopers" Zant had forced into servitude for this purpose, also known as "Majoras" -- the local tongue's word for "architects" -- did not initially use any dark power or Fused Shadow magic to construct the tower. However, due to the arduous nature of the work, they began to drop dead of exhaustion at alarming rates; and so, the most magically inclined members of the tribe had to engineer a ritual, known as the Song of Healing, to distill the grievances of their departed spirits into a shared vessel carved specifically for this purpose, so that their vengeful zeal to right all the wrongs they'd left behind could be put to work even from beyond their graves. The vessel came to be known alternately as the "Majora's Mask," because the souls which inhabited it were those of Zant's Majoras, and as the "Fused Shadow," because the grim shadows of those souls, in the form of their lingering discontentments from life, were fused together in that mask into a single overpowering will to continue to erect the Stone Tower. For, you see, in order to curry their favor and continue to exploit their labor, Zant promised these discontented entrapped souls that when he could obtain the Triforce, he would use its power to draw them forth from the mask and return them from the dead, whereupon together, they would all work to set right all the wrongs of their pasts. This, of course, was a lie; Zant intended to use the power of the Triforce exclusively for personal gain. This dream of his, however, was in turn also a lie; for, as soon as the Stone Tower pierced the Sacred Realm, Ganon intended to escape with the Triforce and leave Zant to die with the rest. |
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| 152 | None of this ever came to pass. Instead, the Seven Sages used the Mirror of Twilight to invert the Stone Tower and seal the Interlopers away. Zant's Majoras continued to construct the Stone Tower without ever noticing it had been inverted, and reached what they thought was the Sacred Realm far above Hyrule, only to find they had in fact "climbed" to a corresponding place below Termina, the Twilight Realm. Like Ganon in the Sacred Realm, they were sealed away there, and couldn't escape. From many years of oppression under the darkness of this realm, they became the Twili. The shared consciousness inhabiting the Majora's Mask / Fused Shadow became enraged and confused, its purpose having been exhausted to impossibility. The Triforce was forever beyond its master's grasp, and the many lingering discontentments of which it consisted, that the Song of Healing had promised would be addressed, were therefore destined to go unresolved for eternity. It became vengeful and dangerous, so the hexers which had created it tore it from the face of its wearer, sealed its magic away with a curse so that it could never again live until such a time as it might again be worn, and, for the safety of the Twili, threw it through the barrier which no living soul could cross, far out the window of the tower, back out of the Twilight Realm and into Termina. |
| 153 | |
| 154 | The Happy Mask Salesman then acquired it on his travels. He was able to learn the Song of Healing because it was engraved on the back of the mask for the original hexers' own reference. Because he could sense its power, he dared not don it. As time would tell, the Skull Kid was rather more naive and not so cautious. |
| 155 | |
| 156 | After the mask was defeated, who knows how it became the Fused Shadow as seen in Twilight Princess. Perhaps, over years of neglect and emptiness, it was battered with sediment, and eventually petrified in a buildup thereof. Midna was transformed by its power into the small, mischievous, somewhat cruel being as which she presents throughout the bulk of Twilight Princess; however, due to her noble blood as the rightful heir to the Twilight Realm, she was able to retain her good intentions and resist total corruption and enslavement to the vengeful spirits of the Majoras. |
| 157 | |
| 158 | [[WMG: Majora and the Fierce Deity are both representations of Termina's emotions.]] |
| 159 | The Fierce Deity Mask has been confirmed to be made from the memories of the people in Termina, through the masks they gave to Link representing their happiness. So, perhaps Majora's Mask was made by the Ancient Tribe using the memories and emotions of Termina in a darker time, where despair and [[MeaningfulName Wrath]] were dominant over the land, and the two masks are just a single form taken by these two concepts throughout the many years? |
| 160 | [[/folder]] |
| 161 | |
| 162 | [[folder:Concerning the Happy Mask Salesman]] |
| 163 | |
| 164 | [[WMG: The Happy Mask Salesman is a living shell]] |
| 165 | Take a look at the shell of Link next time you do the Elegy of Emptiness in human form. [[UncannyValley Creepy, huh? Especially with that freaky grin, what's up with that?]] Now imagine it given life. Know anyone else in the UncannyValley with a creepy-ass grin? That's right, the Happy Mask Salesman! Somehow, the empty unmoving shell of a human left behind after the Elegy of Emptyness was given life, perhaps through a mask that didn't fit right. He became obsessed with the masks, fitting for one whose life began with a mask, and went to strange new lands while seeking them, eventually opening a shop in Hyrule Castle Town. But Hyrule had so few masks, as they hadn't become a part of everyday life like they did in Termina, so he returned home on his way somewhere else when he was pranked by the Skull Kid. |
| 166 | |
| 167 | [[WMG: The Happy Mask Salesman is a native of Termina and travels to Hyrule]] |
| 168 | Notice that there is no Happy Mask shop in Termina. Why? Because the demand is low with everyone having their own masks, and magical masks are presumably expensive. But by traveling to Hyrule, he can sell cheap non-magical knockoffs of his home dimension's masks for a wildly inflated price. Notice how the Truth Mask, considered a powerful artifact in Hyrule, is just a curiosity in Termina when compared to some of the more potent masks. |
| 169 | * Alternatively, the salesman sold those masks to the Terminans and once everyone had masks he moved on. |
| 170 | * Another alternative is that he stumbled onto the gateway between the worlds and discovered a world without the masks his world embraced. Most of the masks in Termina probably aren't magic either, though the Keaton Mask may/may not be based on the real thing; and before anyone calls foul, the guard only states that Keaton is a popular character with children. Who's to say the HMS doesn't hold occasional puppet shows or the like to bring more happiness to the world? The guy (assuming he's just a man with a creepy smile/a mask) is from an AU, and travels enough and collects enough stories and lives that he should have some pretty interesting tales to tell... |
| 171 | * It seems as though the demand for masks in Termina would be quite high, way higher than Hyrule, considering how masks seem so important to the Terminians, the town has an enormous mask-related festival every year, and, in general, masks are some SeriousBusiness. |
| 172 | ** However, in The Carnival of Time story told by Granny at the Stock Pot Inn, it's stated that the inhabitants of Termina would make their own masks for the Carnival. While it's likely that there's a market for those who can't make their own mask by either lack of ability to do so (or just plain laziness), finding those people would be few and far between given how important the Carnival is to Terminians. |
| 173 | |
| 174 | [[WMG: The Happy Mask Salesman is/was Majora]] |
| 175 | Since the game came out, people have wondered who Majora is, as we only see the titular mask. The Happy Mask Salesman was hysterical about getting his mask back - perhaps when he says that it's "MY" mask, he actually means it in more ways than one? |
| 176 | |
| 177 | Suppose that Majora was a powerful being long ago, known for causing mass havoc such as was demonstrated in the game. There would, of course, be those who would challenge him, such as the being whose face the Fierce Deity Mask is modeled after. Majora beats the Fierce Deity and turns him into a mask, but something he says makes him see the chaos he has caused (perhaps calling him childish). Majora packs all of his evil and insanity into the mask, as well as the mask he made of the Fierce Deity, to keep it in balance, and just in case somebody finds the mask again. That being done, he becomes the Happy Mask Salesman and sets out to spread happiness, to make up for what he had caused. |
| 178 | |
| 179 | Eventually, though, the mask was found by a tribe that used it in its hexing rituals, disrupting the balance between Majora's and the Fierce Deity's powers. He sets out to retrieve it, does, but then has it stolen by the Skull Kid... |
| 180 | |
| 181 | This theory would explain several things: Why the HMS is seemingly omniscient, why the kids in the Moon looked like him, why the kid wearing Majora's Mask would give Link the Fierce Deity mask, with which Link can easily defeat Majora's Mask, and why the HMS is so desperate to get it back - because he knows exactly what it does. |
| 182 | * Notice how he just ''had'' to leave in three days? He doesn't even mention the moon falling. Either he doesn't know about it and is extremely lucky to get out in time, or he actually has something to do with it. |
| 183 | * Also why he's able to teleport. He doesn't just walk off-cam and vanish, he actually freezes mid-step and fades from view! |
| 184 | * This may not be completely reliable, since it is from the manga, but the HMS states that he is no match for the Skullkid 'as I am right now'. He makes it sound like that at one time he could have handled the Skullkid, even with the mask. What does THAT tell you? |
| 185 | * Further evidenced by the Moon Children. Look at them, especially their heads, and ''try'' to tell me they don't resemble him. He's definitely got more to do with this than just trying to regain a collection piece... |
| 186 | * His first line after Link admits to not having gotten Majora's Mask back is "What have you done to me!?" Even in light of the mask being an ArtifactOfDoom in entirely the wrong hands, this is an odd statement in how personal it is, even for having lost a prized possession. It's almost as if he were suggesting the mask was a part of him... |
| 187 | |
| 188 | On a related note- |
| 189 | |
| 190 | |
| 191 | [[WMG: The Happy Mask Salesman is talking to the spirit of the Deku Butler's Son]] |
| 192 | When the Happy Mask Salesman says "You've met with a terrible fate, haven't you?" He is talking to the Deku Butler's son, who has essentially been killed, and is now in a bizarre body sharing scenario with Link. |
| 193 | |
| 194 | [[WMG: The Happy Mask Salesman is the human incarnation of the moon.]] |
| 195 | Every person from Hyrule has a "clone" of themselves in Termina, right? Well, the Happy Mask Salesman's "clone" is actually a being created by the moon to retrieve Majora's Mask before the Skull Kid could use it to crash the moon, thus destroying it. This would also explain why the kids on the moon look so much like the HMS; they're of a similar nature. |
| 196 | |
| 197 | [[WMG: The Happy Mask Salesman is Link's Termina Counterpart]] |
| 198 | Link and the Happy Mask Salesman were actually born around the same time, but Link stopped aging due to living in the Kokiri Forest, while HMS grew up into a not-quite-young man. The HMS did his part of Heroism by wandering across the lands - including Hyrule - to spread happiness with his wares. He took it upon himself to rid the world of the evil that is Majora's Mask. When Link left the forest and took up his mantle as the Hero of Time, the HMS went back to Termina because his power was nullified - if two counterparts exist in the same world, one will sap the power of the other. So when Link arrived in Termina, the HMS could only stay beneath the Tower and watch as his world die - and assist his Hylian counterpart any way he could. |
| 199 | |
| 200 | Something else to consider: the HMS has a {{Hammerspace}} organ that has similar properties to the Ocarina of Time. It helped to heal Deku Link of his curse. If you don't play the Song of Time before the Moon falls, never fear; the HMS plays it and reverses time for you. |
| 201 | * Of course, this takes the apparently unpopular viewpoint that the Happy Mask Salesman is ''not'' evil. |
| 202 | |
| 203 | [[WMG: The HMS is the Spirit of Masks.]] |
| 204 | Hyrule and its associated alternate realms have spirits for everything else. The shop is his way of spreading his 'element' - like the Light Spirits spread light where they make their homes, the Happy Mask Salesman seeks to spread masks. He's not a particularly benevolent nor evil spirit, more ChaoticNeutral than anything: masks hide who you are, but it's still your choice whether to use that for good or for evil. |
| 205 | |
| 206 | [[WMG: The Happy Mask Salesman has no face.]] |
| 207 | Look at the way he speaks. His face snaps back from happy to sad to pissed off almost unnaturally. He's also very prone to MoodDissonance, given the way he smiles as he informs you of things that are horrible. He's wearing a mask to give the appearance of a face, either because he wants to protect his identity, or he has no face of his own. |
| 208 | * Reminds me of a certain [[WesternAnimation/ReBoot faceless]] character from a completely different thing then... |
| 209 | * ''"Your true face... What kind of... face is it? I wonder... the face under that mask... Is that... your true face?"'' |
| 210 | * That was true of everyone in [=OoT=]. They're not wearing masks. |
| 211 | ** Exactly; it could be a consequence of the game's engine and hardware. A MM remake would answer a lot of questions by virtue of improved animations. |
| 212 | *** Nope. The limited animation is still present in the remake. |
| 213 | |
| 214 | [[WMG: Ganondorf's Termina parallel is the Happy Mask Salesman]] |
| 215 | Snap back to Ocarina of Time for a moment, back to the Forest Temple. After you defeat Phantom Ganon, Ganondorf apparently sends the thing into a void between dimensions. This would imply that he both has knowledge of alternate dimensions, with or without the Triforce; and the ability to open gates through them, probably with the Triforce. That in mind, look at the Happy Mask Salesman. He himself resides in a world in between dimensions, and probably has knowledge of both Hyrule and Termina; this fact is intensified if you believe that the Happy Mask Salesman from [=OoT=] is the same as from MM. Their [=MOs=] are also quite similar: they desire a relic of incredible power, and they're willing to manipulate Link in order to do so. Finally... Both of them are quite obviously evil in some way. |
| 216 | * Makes sense. They're both bossy and choleric redheads with pointed ears, and they both cause apocalyptic monsters to be unleashed because of their obsession with acquiring dangerous magical artifacts. Maybe that's why their statures are so different; Ganondorf is deformed because his monster (Ganon) is inside of him, while the Happy Mask Salesman's monster (Majora) is only in his backpack. |
| 217 | * Also they both play the piano (or an organ in Ganondorf's case) |
| 218 | |
| 219 | [[WMG: The Salesman is a time traveler]] |
| 220 | Building on the above idea that the salesman is from Termina, traveling to Hyrule, he mentions that he has to leave in three days at the start of the game. He is traveling to Hyrule, most likely, as the place where you first meet him is the connection between Hyrule and Termina. He probably moved back in time while he was traveling to Hyrule, thus being able to meet Link there. In addition, he has a Mario mask. He probably traveled forward in time to the point at which Mario dies to play the Song of Happiness for him. |
| 221 | |
| 222 | Alternately, the cave is a time-bridge between Hyrule and Termina, and you go forward in time going from Hyrule to Termina, and backward in time going from Termina to Hyrule. This would explain that, and the fact that Termina is considerably more technologically advanced than Hyrule. |
| 223 | |
| 224 | [[WMG: The Happy Mask Salesman is Vaati.]] |
| 225 | They both have the same laugh sound effect. |
| 226 | * Alternately, the Happy Mask Salesman could be Vaati's Termina counterpart. Although Vaati doesn't show up in [=OOT=], evidently Minish Cap and Four Swords take place before it and Four Swords Adventures takes place in the same timeline branch as Majora's Mask does. |
| 227 | |
| 228 | [[WMG: The Happy Mask Salesman is one of the Moon Children.]] |
| 229 | Specifically, the one wearing Majora's Mask. He calls it "his mask" because it ''is'' his mask. Naturally, this means that he's Majora, and by giving him back his mask you've doomed the world. |
| 230 | * But the Mask lost its deific, world-destroying power shortly before you return it to him. While it's plausible (in fact, quite likely) that the two are connected beyond his simple "I found it somewhere for collecting purposes", returning the mask to him would mean nothing beyond allowing him a much less dangerous item for his collection. |
| 231 | |
| 232 | [[WMG: The Happy Mask Salesman isn't evil.]] |
| 233 | I know, it's the most wild of the wild mass guesses on this site, but think about it. There's nothing in any of the games that he's appeared in that suggests that he is evil. (Granted, I've only played Majora's Mask and Ocarina of Time, if there's a game he appeared in that did have him as evil, feel free to correct me.) People always assume that he'd evil due to his creepy nature, but not all creepy people are evil. Heck, [[Series/DoctorWho The Doctor]] has a folder to himself on that series's [[NightmareFuel/DoctorWho Nightmare Fuel page]], but no one's going to say he's evil. The only thing that he does that even comes close to evil is when he shakes Link around like a rag doll, but a) he was in the middle of a monumental freakout due to the idea that Termina's ultimate evil might return, I think we can forgive him for a brief moment of losing control, and b) [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaPhantomHourglass Link getting shaken like that]] [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword is nothing new.]] Aside from that, yeah, he gets that creepy face, but both times it appears, it's justified. In Ocarina of Time, Link has taken his products without giving him his money back. What kind of business would it be if he just let that slide? Compared to what others might do, a little nightmare face seems benign. The second time, in Majora's Mask, is during the aforementioned monumental freakout, when he was afraid that Termina's ultimate evil would bring about the apocalypse, and learned that Link hadn't followed through on his promise to get the mask back. A little anger there wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility, and he cools down as soon as Link swears to get the mask back at all costs. And finally, when he says that Link's met with a terrible fate, the first time is when Link's been robbed completely, transformed into a Deku Scrub, and trapped in another dimention due for apocolypse in 3 days, and the only other time is when the moon crashes down, in which case Link is ''experiencing'' the apocolypse. That's not evil, that's stating the obvious. If anything, he seems relatively benign from some of his lines at the ending. No real proof of evil. |
| 234 | |
| 235 | [[WMG: The Happy Mask Salesman doesn't exist.]] |
| 236 | Well, not technically. He is only an illusion or deity sent to the world by the goddesses to protect Majora's Mask. He only shows up to those who have important destinies with the masks he guards. In [=OoT=], no one but Link ever enters the Happy Mask Shop. In MM, no one but Link ever enters the Clock Tower. Skull Kid floated RIGHT PAST where HMS was, and he showed no intent of stopping the imp. So, why would HMS be seen by Skull Kid when he stole the mask and at the very end? The beginning, perhaps HMS was not finished... processing (or whatever you want to call it) into the world. The end, the goddesses could have allowed Skull Kid to see him so that he would learn his lesson. This would also explain how he appears in later games hundreds of years later. This raises one more question - what about the children of the moon, who look so much like him? Well, when Link went inside the moon, he landed in a large, open area. OPEN area. Even with magic, there would still be some way in and out of there. The reason for this? That was the goddesses realm. Majora took over it during MM. The children of the moon are these HMS deities in the making. |
| 237 | |
| 238 | [[WMG:The Happy Mask Salesman is possessed Vaati.]] |
| 239 | Going on an idea above, the Happy Mask Salesmen is his own person but one who is possessed by Vaati to do his bidding. Here's how this works. After being sealed up at the end of Four Swords Vaati is secretly able to escape his seal (after all if he did it once he could do it again) but is too weakened to actually fight Link. Instead he conspires to wipe out FS's Link's decedents/reincarnations in secret and take over Hyrule. To do this Vaati possess the HMS (he can possess people as shown with the king in The Minish Cap) sometime before Ocarina of Time so he can find the next hero who will save Hyrule. |
| 240 | |
| 241 | It works once [=OoT=] Link visits his shop. After following/watching Link he learns he intends to find Navi in the woods so Vaati/the HMS sets his master plan into motion. He goes and unseals Majora's Mask but knows that letting it loose right then would destroy Hyrule along with him in it. Instead he lets himself get beat by Skull Kid so he can steal MM and unleash it's power in Termina. Knowing that the Skull Kid will soon draw Link into that realm his plan works out perfectly. As the Mask Salesman, Vaati pretends to be a nice person helping Link in exchange for getting his mask back. In secret Vaati cares nothing about this and believes Link will fail in this task and get blown up with the rest of Termina. |
| 242 | |
| 243 | As Link gets vaporized by the moon Vaati can hightail it out of there and emerge upon a defenseless Hyrule that's his for the taking. Thats why the HMS laughs at your fate when you fail to play the song of time. Indeed this plan would have worked if Link didn't figure out how to time travel. After not only surviving but defeating Majora Vaati is furious, but keeps up the nice guy charade so he can escape in the end credits. After the game Vaati discards the mask salesman and returns to his seal until Four Swords Adventures. |
| 244 | |
| 245 | [[WMG: The Happy Mask Salesman is dead.]] |
| 246 | The Skull Kid hit him too hard when he stole the mask from him. The whole mask FetchQuest was the Salesman's attempt to heal his soul, like so many other characters in the game. This would explain his apparently supernatural powers, and why he just fades into the ether at the end of the game. |
| 247 | |
| 248 | [[WMG: The Happy Mask Salesman is Creator/ShigeruMiyamoto ]] |
| 249 | He seems to know a lot about Link for a salesman, can alter reality and provide exposition that Tatl can't. Not to mention he goes batshit insane whenever Link and to an extent the player doesn't fulfil their heroic duties. |
| 250 | |
| 251 | [[WMG: The Happy Mask Salesman is the guardian of masks.]] |
| 252 | All we know for sure about the Happy Mask Salesman is his intense interest in masks, primarily Majora. Also that he's likely not exactly human. I posit that he's an AboveGoodAndEvil HumanoidAbomination to whom the rest of the world is meaningless in comparison to the masks. That's why he shows little concern over the moon crushing Termina, or anyones lives and why he goes into a rage when Link fails to get the mask. |
| 253 | |
| 254 | [[WMG: The Happy Mask Salesman is Majora's father.]] |
| 255 | The Happy Mask Salesman is a member of the lost tribe who created the mask in the first place. In order to create it, he either allowed his own child to be sacrificed for it or said child was taken. Either way, he eventually decided to safeguard the mask to atone for what he allowed to happen, putting himself through a ritual to gain eldritch powers in order to protect what remained of his child. |
| 256 | |
| 257 | [[WMG: The Happy Mask Salesman is the father of the moon children.]] |
| 258 | He looks older than the moon children. If not that then they are clones of him. when you consider that they look identical to him (barring the masks), it isn't unreasonable. |
| 259 | |
| 260 | [[WMG: The Happy Mask Salesman is related in some way to the G-man from Half-Life.]] |
| 261 | Just because. Also, the fact that both of them seem to appear at the right time with instructions and have knowledge that they should not have. G-man did mention that he had associates. |
| 262 | |
| 263 | [[WMG: The Happy Mask Salesman is a Demon.]] |
| 264 | It would explain his apparent powers and creepy nature, as well as giving some explanation for his job choice. As Skyward Sword establishes that demons tend to be a WalkingWasteland, and staying in one place too long can corrupt the local wildlife. As such a career that allows him to constantly move around would allow him to stay amongst hylians without any of the negative effects. He also may be attempting to become human, given that his entire shop is themed around happiness, and gratitude is the fastest way to do so. |
| 265 | |
| 266 | [[WMG: The Happy Mask Salesman is the soul of the Moon]] |
| 267 | We know that the moon has some sort of life, as it speaks while attempting to fall on Termina under Majora's influence. But if it's so convinced to destroy all life, then why is it raining moon TEARS? When it speaks, it merely states that it wants to consume all. It's portrayed as a mindless entity, a slave to Majora. So if Majora is controlling it, and it's become mindless, what happened to its consciousness? That's where the Happy Mask Salesman comes in. A mysterious man who instantly knows your situation, moves in erratic, inhuman ways, and has a grudge against Majora? Seems kind of suspicious. The guise of the Happy Mask Salesman isn't his actual appearance, it's just AFormYouAreComfortableWith. He pretends to be after Majora's Mask, but really he's after Majora itself. This is evidenced by simply fading away after Majora's defeat, and when the moon is freed from its influence. |
| 268 | |
| 269 | The Happy Mask Salesman is also the only entity in the game who remains after the Moon crushes Termina in a game over, though we don't see his physical form. And who else would be left on the planet? Maybe Majora, and the Moon. However, the HMS is only a fraction of the Moon's Soul. The rest of it, embodied by the Moon Children, has been sealed away in the bosses, which gives them their power. And due to their being sealed away with a mask by a masked Skull Kid, they've come to associate masks with evil, which explains their obsession with obtaining them. They want to take them and destroy them. |
| 270 | |
| 271 | So, to recap, HMS is actually the Moon's disembodied soul manipulating you into freeing it to return to its body. The intellectual part, or Ego, split and disguised itself as the Happy Mask Salesman, taking the idea out of Link's Memory. The rest of its mind is sealed away in the Moon Children (Superego) and the Moon itself (Id). Defeating Majora frees them and allows them to control themselves again. HMS never had any intention of reclaiming the mask, he just wanted you to destroy it. |
| 272 | |
| 273 | [[WMG: The Happy Mask Salesman is an ordinary mask salesman.]] |
| 274 | Yeah, with all the crazy theories people had about him, I just had to throw this out there. He clearly wants to stop Skull Kid from destroying Termina, so unless he has a complicated ulterior motive, he's definitely not evil. His rapidly changing expressions are just due to technical limitations of the system - if you'll notice, other characters like Romani and Anju's mother have them, too. The Happy Mask Salesman just sought after Majora's Mask because it's a rare mask with an intriguing history, and he didn't know about its ''inherent'' power until he'd gotten his hands on it. Just like what's said in-game. |
| 275 | |
| 276 | As for his resemblance to the children on the Moon, that was just a coincidence. Majora's Mask clearly designed the inside of the moon based on certain things he/it had encountered thus far, just twisted around a bit - four children running around and playing while completely ignoring the fifth one is obviously based on Skull Kid's supposedly-shattered friendship with the Four Giants. The mask didn't spend as much time in the mask salesman's possession, which is why the children resembling him is just for aesthetics and doesn't hold any meaning. |
| 277 | [[/folder]] |
| 278 | |
| 279 | [[folder:Concerning the Moon]] |
| 280 | |
| 281 | [[WMG: The Moon ALWAYS had a face.]] |
| 282 | Practically nobody aside from the juggler twins in Clock Town mentions the fact that the moon has a now hideous face, whereas realistically it'd be one hell of a talking point along with the "it's falling" problem. Perhaps Termina's moon always had a frightful face, to warn off anybody that would try to bring evil to Termina. Perfect fodder for Majora to give the land an ironic death: Its scariest guardian becomes its armageddon. |
| 283 | * I like to think of it as the moon always having face, but that it is normally a happy smile or something similar, and that it changed to the really scary grin when it was cursed and began to fall. |
| 284 | ** [[http://ui03.gamespot.com/2370/happymoon_2.jpg YES.]] |
| 285 | ** For what it's worth, [[https://zelda.fandom.com/wiki/Mayor_Dotour Mayor Dotour's chair]] in both the original and the remake has an emblem of the moon [[RuleOfSymbolism hanging over his head]] with a goofy, non-malicious smile, so maybe this theory is on to something... |
| 286 | * So Termina is a suburb of [[Manga/SoulEater Death City]]? |
| 287 | ** Why not? After all, the Japanese name for the Fierce Deity is Kishin. |
| 288 | |
| 289 | [[WMG: The Moon [[ThatsNoMoon isn't the moon at all]].]] |
| 290 | [[Franchise/StarWars Darth Vader]] was just trying out some new designs. |
| 291 | * https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcITr-JYOyYr2NV7uWkwoCZvhpevDUf6c |
| 292 | |
| 293 | [[WMG: The [[WeirdMoon Moon]] isn't [[ThatsNoMoon the moon at all]]. It was something Majora created.]] |
| 294 | * Majora's Mask is powerful enough to [[ForcedTransformation transform Link into a Deku Scrub,]] as well as rob a Deku kid of it's life (presumably,) completely brainwash a Skull Kid, bring a giant rock crashing down from the heavens, and was once used in ancient hexing rituals. Creating a big white rock with a scary face probably wouldn't be too much of a challenge. |
| 295 | ** Also take into account that the 'moon' was crying. It could be the trapped spirit of some poor schmuck. |
| 296 | *** Or a spirit, fairy, etc,. |
| 297 | |
| 298 | [[WMG: The inside of the Moon is actually representative of Link's psyche, not Majora's.]] |
| 299 | After the events of Ocarina of Time, Link is unable to claim the childhood that he lost. Tormented with the memories of the future he averted, he leaves Hyrule in order to search for Navi, one remnant of the past, a solid tie to the Kokiri Forest where he lived as a child. However, as he progresses through Termina, he is forced to act as his adult self to stop the moon falling (for example, using weapons such as the bow that he could not wield previously as a child) and must ignore his personal goal of finding Navi in order to help many other people. The interior of the Moon is a clear representation of Link's childhood in the Kokiri Forest, with the children under the lone tree symbolising the Kokiri protected by the Great Deku Tree. By going through each of the other children's 'games' he comes to term with his past, until only the Majora child remains. The final child, outcast by his friends, is representative of Link himself. The child sees the Fierce Deity mask as that of a 'bad guy' because he hates how his childhood was stolen from him as he was forced to become the Hero of Time, going through nearly insurmountable trials and hardships, as well as what he became, having the role of an unstoppable adult warrior thrust upon him after going all his life up to that point believing that he would live eternally as a peaceful Kokiri child. Link must accept his actions in Hyrule, and the impossibility of ever returning to a normal childhood, and in doing so becomes the Fierce Deity and defeats Majora. |
| 300 | * Going off this theory, could it be that the inside of the Moon acts similar to the TV World in Persona 4, meaning that Majora was acting similar to Izanami and was using Link as the person to prove to it that life deserved to continue living and that by Link forming the Fierce Deity Mask and defeating it he proved that all those in Termina and Hyrule had earned their continued existence. This also means that Link is a Wild Card, the Deku Scrub was his base Persona and that the Fierce Deity is his Ultimate Persona. |
| 301 | |
| 302 | [[WMG: Ganondorf's Termina parallel is the Moon]] |
| 303 | Its face very closely resembles Ganondorf's, especially his expression during the last we see of him in Ocarina of Time as he's being banished. Like Ganondorf (arguably, it is corrupted by a powerful outside force/artifact (Majora's Mask/Triforce of Power/Anything else that may have influenced Ganondorf in other games). It also seeks to destroy a land, and the 3rd day clock town's ominous, underlying music sounds like Ganondorf's theme (at least in the ZREO version). |
| 304 | ** So, the non-canon version? (I agree on the rest of the WMG tho). |
| 305 | |
| 306 | [[WMG: The Moon is the parallel of Demise]] |
| 307 | |
| 308 | [[WMG: The Moon is the Sacred Realm, or its parallel.]] |
| 309 | Compare [[http://www.zeldawiki.org/images/6/6d/Mooninside.png the inside of the moon]] to Twilight Princess' rendition of [[http://images.wikia.com/zelda/images/8/80/Sacred_Realm_%28Twilight_Princess%29.png the Sacred Realm.]] Anyone else see the similarity? |
| 310 | |
| 311 | [[WMG: The Moon is just a random self-destructive demon.]] |
| 312 | The reason the tides aren't going berserk or anything is because it's not really the Moon. It's just a monster slowly descending toward Termina that will self destruct, annihilating everything in an explosion. As for the real Moon, it's still up there. It's just hidden by magic. |
| 313 | |
| 314 | [[WMG: The Moon looks like this because of Majora]] |
| 315 | Specifically, because Majora wanted to hammer it home that the Skull Kid was involved, since Twilight Princess revealed the face of the Skull Kids to be basically a grinning version of this moon. |
| 316 | ** But Skull Kids in this game and its predecessor are wooden scarecrow-people with bird beaks. |
| 317 | |
| 318 | [[WMG: The Moon is just as scared as everyone else]] |
| 319 | Which is why it stutters. |
| 320 | [[/folder]] |
| 321 | |
| 322 | [[folder:Concerning Termina]] |
| 323 | |
| 324 | [[WMG: Termina is a mishmash of various places that the Skull Kid visited before finding Majora's Mask]] |
| 325 | The ambiguously canon ''Hyrule Encyclopedia'' claims that Termina is nothing more than a temporary creation of Majora's Mask, even though the Skull Kid is clearly seen playing in the Southern Swamp before getting it. It is possible that the separate sections of Termina(Termina Field, Snowhead Mountain, Ikana, etc.) do in fact exist in real life, but were spliced together in the Skull Kid's dreamworld. Tying the pieces of this theory together is the fact that the Skull Kid clearly knows his way around the different regions, but the people of the regions themselves rarely interact with another in-game. |
| 326 | |
| 327 | [[WMG: Termina is ''not'' an alternate universe]] |
| 328 | It's just another county/country from Hyrule, nowhere in game is it suggested it's another universe (apart from Link's falling in the opening). The fact that many people look the same as people in Hyrule is because they ARE the same as the people from Hyrule. Think about it- Few of the characters had reasons to stay in Hyrule: The carpenters travel around Hyrule in [=OoT=] and could easily travel to Termina, Tingle is just there for the money and for ingredients as he is still roaming as he was in ''Freshly Picked Tingle's Rosey Rupee Land'' after being cursed with immortality as long as he has rupees, Sakon (The thief) is just a thief and can go anywhere to rob whatever, The Gorman Brothers are related to the people at Lon Lon Ranch (perhaps cousins), Dampe has moved after having learned about Hyrule's future (possibly from Link) and his eventual death and fled to Termina to escape Ganondorf's uprising. The only people who are not the same are Anju and her Grandmother who are just lookalikes of people in Hyrule- same goes for the shop keepers. Plus this also means that more than just an alternate universe is at stake if the moon falls and actually the entire real world is! |
| 329 | ** {{Jossed}}. [[AllThereInTheManual The manual says]] that Termina is a parallel universe. |
| 330 | |
| 331 | [[WMG: Majora's Mask was Termina's Fused Shadows.]] |
| 332 | An object of great power, created by a dark clan of magic users centuries ago, that was sealed away for its corrupting influence. Familiar, no? Then there's how the eye on the Fused Shadows is identical to the eyes on Majora's Mask, as well as how both are capable of sprouting limbs when unleashing their full power. |
| 333 | Not actually my theory, but I've seen it elsewhere |
| 334 | * [[http://zeldawiki.org/images/b/b9/Majora-fused-shadow2.png Here's a picture that supports this theory.]] |
| 335 | ** Hyrule's MM equivalent was created as either a part of the Shadows or as a related relic. |
| 336 | |
| 337 | [[WMG: The tribe that got banished to the Twilight Realm was from Termina, and spawned the HMS' ancestor beforehand.]] |
| 338 | * The Fused Shadows and MM might well have been related, as attested by the similarities mentioned in various other [=WMGs=] on this page alone. Furthermore, there is a scene in TP in which Midna tries equipping Link's sword and shield by holding the sword and hanging the shield on her face. Also Midna, Zant, the Shadow Beasts, and numerous others associated with the tribe wear masks constantly. Masks have apparently been important in Termina for a long time so it doesn't stretch belief too much to assume that they were cinsidered essential before the banishment. |
| 339 | |
| 340 | [[WMG: Link is from Termina]] |
| 341 | When we first find out Link isn't a Kokiri, we are told his mother fled to the forest, and Link was taken and raised along with the other forest inhabitants. The Deku Tree just assumed Link was Hylian, since he had no knowledge of Termina. In actuality, Link's mother fled from Termina for some reason (probably to escape the Lost Tribe, or because Skull Kid was annoying everyone by bitching about the giants leaving him, or whatever) and thought the safest place for her and her baby would be a different world entirely, which she assumes would be safe. Unfortunately, Hyrule is anything but safe, as we know from [=OoT=]. This would mainly explain why Link has no Termina counterpart, since he's originally from there. On top of that... |
| 342 | ** Link's mother was fleeing the Hyrule Civil War. Ganondorf wasn't an issue yet. |
| 343 | |
| 344 | [[WMG: Hyrule and Termina are the flip sides of a disc world.]] |
| 345 | Link falls for what is implied to be a really long time but isn't hurt, and ends up under Clock Town, which could be explained by him falling through the disc's center of gravity and landed over a ledge before his momentum ran out. There's a completely different moon, and as we know, the Earth's moon orbits it at a rate of one revolution per rotation. The moon around Hyrule/Termina could orbit it so that the side with the face is only ever clearly visible from the Termina side, and only the edge of the blank side can be seen from Termina (at least until it starts falling). |
| 346 | * That ''would'' explain why the hallway before the sealed door twists and goes upside down as you're walking through it... |
| 347 | * But wait... The moon in Termina is mostly brown and dirt-like, while the Hyrule moon looks more like the regular Earth moon. Since the Hyrule moon is clearly farther away from the planet than the Termina moon, is there more sunlight reflected off it to cause a brighter glow, given a lesser chance for the planet to cast a shadow from the sun? |
| 348 | ** The moon in Termina never changes position in the sky, it only gets closer to the ground. Therefore, the Termina and Hyrule moons are, in fact, different. Or, you know, it really is [[AllJustADream just a dream]], or a training program from the Sages, or the Afterlife for Link. ...Now my head hurts. |
| 349 | *** Well, given that the skull kid caused the moon to fall, he could have simply stopped it in its tracks, and then had gravity attract it to the surface (without its motion to keep it in orbit). Or, if the discworld rotates, slow its orbit to match the rotational speed (but not be fast enough to maintain its altitude). |
| 350 | * If I remember right, the scene in the Lost Woods takes place around dusk, but when you enter into Termina, it's dawn of the first day. That makes perfect sense! FridgeBrilliance |
| 351 | |
| 352 | [[WMG: Each of the masks represents the races of Termina.]] |
| 353 | You get a mask for an important person from each race. The Deku mask is the Butler's son and therefore would have ties to the Deku Royal Family. The Goron mask is Darunia, a hero of the Gorons, and the Zora mask is Mikau, the guitarist for the Indigo-gos, the popular Zora band. Fierce Deity has incredible power, enough to combat Majora easily. Now, where did the Fierce Deity come from? He represents the humans, perhaps a sort of god they worshipped. Finally, Majora's Mask represents the Skull person tribe, or lost tribe. I can't remember where, but I do believe you get a glimpse of the lost tribe somewhere, and they look very much like Skull Kid. |
| 354 | * The closest we get to seeing anything about the lost tribe is ''possibly'' the Moon Children. The Skull Kid is the same one from ''Ocarina of Time'' that you give the Skull Mask. There are other Skull Kids in that game, but not ''Majora's Mask''. |
| 355 | |
| 356 | [[WMG: Termina is outside of the time flow of Hyrule, so that while there are three Hyrule timelines there is only one Majora's Mask timeline.]] |
| 357 | Link isn't flung back in time, everything but certain extremely powerful beings and magicked (ensouled?) items get reset to how they were three days ago. this is possible because Termina is a completely separate time-universe from Hyrule. However, the main reason I want to believe this is that the ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTheWindWaker Wind Waker]]'' (Link sleeps for seven years) version of Termina would ''suck''. |
| 358 | * This is a horrible understatement, considering the ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTheWindWaker Wind Waker]]'' version of Termina would probably be a huge crater in a giant wasteland, with the shattered Moon of Doom in the center and Majora's eternal laughters the only thing to be heard ''ever''. |
| 359 | * The Terminan Postman has a descendant in the Wind Waker world, he's the Rito who works at sorting letters at Dragon Roost Island, apart from a striking resemblance his figurine states hes descended from a legendary postman, which means he can't be descended from the Marathon Man. It's possible that the postman, upon being freed from his job, warped into Hyrule by mistake. This would seem to enforce this theory in that those who were fleeing the moon went to Romani Ranch for safety, so as the moon was falling if would have made more sense that he would go to the Ranch rather then flee elsewhere and accidently access Hyrule. |
| 360 | * Also, why does Termina have to be destroyed in the Wind Waker Timeline. It takes place after the Adult portion of Ocarina of Time right? And who's chilling in the forest (and shooting deku nuts at Adult Link if he's too close) in that timeline. The Skull Kid, who would have either died along with Termina when the moon hit, or still be controlled by the mask if he survived. It's possible that whatever variables led to him taking Majora's Mask from the Happy Mask Salesman never happened which means Termina might still exist in that timeline. |
| 361 | ** So Termina's still out there in the WW timeline, and Majora's Mask remains...GET ON IT, NINTENDO |
| 362 | *** [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaPhantomHourglass The realm of the Ocean King]] is implied to be a parallel universe...[[EpilepticTrees maybe]] the apocalypse-by-moon, not prevented in this timeline because Link was busy being sealed in the Master Sword, resulted in some sort of nuclear winter [[note]]Okay, maybe [[ArtisticLicense it would fail science forever[[/note]], but that's not exactly new in the [[AWizardDidIt Zelda 'verse]]]], causing a [[TheGreatFlood Great Flood]]? Different reasons, same outcome: a destroyed world covered in water, populated by the legacies of a few survivors, some looking [[{{Expy}} strangely similar]] but apparently different people (I'm looking at you, Beedle). |
| 363 | ** What the above poster said. I've pondered this before. Then I came to a conclusion: We all know that the Happy Mask Salesman was ambushed in the Lost Woods shortly after the end of Ocarina of Time in the timeline that Link returned to. Ganondorf never getting the chance to do what he did that led to [=OoT=]'s future timeline is more than likely the reason he was able to head into the Lost Woods for whatever reason. The Lost Woods, and Hyrule in general, remained the same rather than becoming much more dangerous. Termina's future timeline didn't get messed up because the Happy Mask Salesman in the future timeline never entered the Lost Woods and therefore was never ambushed by the Skull Kid, thus never leading to the Skull Kid being possessed by Majora's Mask which would've led to the Skull Kid causing all sorts of trouble for the people of Termina which would've been topped off by their eventual destruction via the moon crashing into them. When you think about it, by saving Hyrule, Link indirectly screwed Termina over. The thing is, though, that we're uncertain of what happened to the future Termina. For all we know, after Ganondorf was taken care of, the future Happy Mask Salesman probably went into forest just as his younger self did and got ambushed by the future Skull Kid, leading to bad things happening to future Termina, only this time with no Link to save them. Why did the HMS even need to go into the Lost Woods in the first place? Any chance Majora's Mask may have had something to do with him being there? I mean, it does seem odd that he'd be carrying a demonic mask around in an unsafe place like that... Then again, better to carry it with him than leaving it some place where somebody or something else could get to it. |
| 364 | *** Seven more years with Tatl and Tael's influence probably made Skull Kid become enough of a better person to not want to mug The Happy Mask Salesman. Therefore, everybody wins! =D |
| 365 | |
| 366 | [[WMG: Every time link travels back in time he creates a different Termina timeline]] |
| 367 | In [=OoT=] when Link is sent back to the past it creates two timelines, so each time Link travels back in time in MM he creates an alternate Termina, meaning there are several Terminas where everyone died horribly regardless of whether or not Termina exists outside of Hyrules flow of time. |
| 368 | * However, somehow, the ending fuses them all via the masks you get. Even if you didn't save Cremia and Anju in the last time reset before defeating Majora they are in the ending if you have the Couple's Mask. |
| 369 | |
| 370 | [[WMG: Sometime in the past, Termina experienced a bout of revolutions]] |
| 371 | Instead of Hyrule, overlooked by the Royal Castle, there is only Clock Town, governed by a mayor. The Gorons have a chief rather than a king, and there seems to be at least some democracy involved in his selection. The Zora seem to lack a king as well, their society being either a democracy or an oligarchy. The only race retaining royalty are the Deku, who are sort of isolationist anyway. |
| 372 | * When has it ever been the norm for Gorons to have a king, though? |
| 373 | |
| 374 | [[WMG: At the end, Link chooses to keep traveling between Termina and Hyrule, becoming the Hero of Two Worlds]] |
| 375 | He's had one hell of a bonding session with Termina, so it's unlikely he'd just stay out of there forever. If nothing else, he'll have to keep sneaking back for more Chateu Romani. But the people of Hyrule are equally precious to him. Well, with the biggest threats to both worlds eliminated and only some odds and ends to take care of in each world, surely Link has enough time for both. |
| 376 | |
| 377 | [[WMG: Termina is a metaphor for the five stages of grief.]] |
| 378 | This troper didn't come up with the idea, but it's interesting. At worst, good for maybe a quick chuckle. |
| 379 | [[http://i.imgur.com/kyizk.png]]. |
| 380 | * Maybe switch the Gorons and Zora's stage. The Goron's seem to be laying around, depressed and hopeless. For example, The two gorons outside of Darmani's tomb are cold, though one of them knows about the hot spring inside the tomb and could easily go inside and pull open the hotspring to help itself. Then, the Zora's are the ones who are bargaining, since Evan and Mikau were trying to take action and get the singer's eggs back. The Zora's take a lot of action, in fact, and are oblivious to Mikau's death, actually. |
| 381 | ** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S1SVkysIRw This video]] in part supports the Grief Model.(Might be the origin of said WMG) |
| 382 | |
| 383 | [[WMG: Termina's appearance and inhabitants change based on its visitors' feelings and memories.]] |
| 384 | This would explain both the "Five Stages of Grief" WMG above and why Termina's inhabitants are basically alternative versions of their Hyrulian counterparts. Link is grieving over Navi's departure at the end of [=OoT=] and cannot move on properly. His trip in Termina due to Skull Kid's shenanigans gives him a chance to do so. |
| 385 | |
| 386 | [[WMG: Termina is more than just an a parallel universe, it also stands out of time from the normal universe.]] |
| 387 | Unlike the various dark and twilight realms, which are perfectly parallel, time works differently. You can access any point in history to and from Termina.. We already know Termina is not a perfect mimicry of Hyrule, but has extra elements and is missing many elements. This could be explained by it being connected to many times, rather than just the one. This would explain how Skull Kid knew the giants and Link without him being hundreds of years old, the technological level being beyond that of Ocarina of Time, how Majora was able to cause so much damage in so short a time, and possibly how the HMS was able to get Majora's Mask in the first place, as we see plenty of evidence the mask was from Termina. |
| 388 | |
| 389 | [[WMG: Termina is the first universe created in the Zelda multi-verse.]] |
| 390 | The three goddesses (Din, Nayru, and Farore) are daughters/creations of the four Giants, who were sent out to create their own worlds. Many of the new worlds contain similar elements to the first one, which explains the similarities that Termina and Hyrule share. This also explains why the giants are present in their world but the goddesses are not, since the goddesses are continuing to seed and create new worlds while the giants remain in the first one. The giants are also portrayed as being somewhat abstract elderly beings, while the goddesses are young women- they are both younger and closer in form to the various human-esque people of the worlds. |
| 391 | * Alternatively, Termina is one of the ''last'' universes created, with the earliest universes being the ones most identical to Hyrule and Termina being fairly distinct, i.e., relatively more advanced in terms of technology and science, |
| 392 | |
| 393 | [[WMG: Link is moving through Termina to accept his own death.]] |
| 394 | It is stated in Ocarina that anyone who is not a Kokiri and wanders into the woods becomes a Stalfos. During Ocarina Link isn't affected by this, possibly because he doesn't wander very far in, but after Navi leaves he follows her deep inside. The entire game after this point could easily be seen as Link coming to terms with himself becoming a Stalfos, dying as he looks for his friend. The moon is falling and he can't stop it, no matter how many times he goes back to try. Everyone in the world is a near identical version of people that he had already met but strangely warped in how they act. The masks he uses to try and become other people(searching for his own identity even as he loses it?). Even at the end, when he finally manages to save the world, instead of trying to go back to his own world you see him walking away from the Clock Tower. His final act of acceptance that he has done the best he could, fought the good fight, and can now go rest. And that Stalfos that you see in Twilight Princess? The one who teaches you his skills? His shield looks conspicuously like the Mirror Shield. |
| 395 | * Jossed. Link is known to have lived long enough to have children, as you're a descendant of his in TP, and WordOfGod dismisses any dream theories. |
| 396 | |
| 397 | [[WMG: Termina is a construct outside of time born of Majora interpreting Link's memories of Hyrule]] |
| 398 | ''Hyrule Encyclopedia'' claims that Termina is a temporary creation of Majora's Mask, even though the Skull Kid is clearly seen playing in the Southern Swamp before getting it. What if Majora read Link's mind when cursing him and effectively was born of his collective desire to understand [[IronWoobie Link's]] own attachment to the world around him? Majora has [[BlueAndOrangeMorality absolutely no understanding of human emotions and what is considered a pleasant memory, let alone fun]], and [[GreenEyedMonster in his jealousy to Link's memories of Hyrule]], [[EldritchAbomination Majora]] threatens to destroy it all [[EvilCannotComprehendGood due to not being understand why Link would care about this world even though it's clearly doomed]]. |
| 399 | |
| 400 | [[/folder]] |
| 401 | |
| 402 | [[folder:Concerning Termina Counterparts]] |
| 403 | |
| 404 | Contains related entries from other folders. |
| 405 | |
| 406 | [[WMG: ''Majora's Mask'' is a nightmare]] |
| 407 | Think about it. ''Link's Awakening'' provides precedent for a Zelda game being AllJustADream. Why not MM as well? Termina is similar to Hyrule in many ways and filled with [[Main/{{Expy}} expies]] of people Link got to know well in ''Ocarina of Time'', usually with horrible things happening to them. (And ever wonder why there's no expy of Link in Termina?) It's just familiar enough to be a product of his own psyche. [[NightmareFuel/MajorasMask Creepy things]] happen in MM, repeatedly, especially given the [[GroundhogDayLoop day cycle]], which smacks of someone reliving all the fears he encountered during his earlier quest. [=OoT=] contained a decent amount of horror as well, did it not? Now, what the Song of Time actually does, instead of actually by defeating the Mask. |
| 408 | * Debunked. Nintendo has officialy denounced the notion that the events of the game are a dream. |
| 409 | |
| 410 | [[WMG: Skull Kid is Link's Terminian counterpart.]] |
| 411 | Before he became a Skull Kid, he probably had a backstory similar to Link's, i.e. his parents fled some disaster and wound up in Kokiri woods. He was raised by the Deku Tree as well, but got lost in the Lost Woods before getting his fairy, which is why he became the Skull Kid. this would also explain how he wound up in Termina, since his counterpart was able to cross the dimensional boundaries (when he was a baby, but still) then the law of equivalent exchange would grant him the same ability/luck/power/whathaveyou. this seems to be supported by a few key singularities the two share, like affinity for playing musical instruments, becoming friends with Saria, and being way to curious (as all players are when they first play a Zelda game and don't really know what to do) |
| 412 | |
| 413 | [[WMG: The Happy Mask Salesman is Link's Termina Counterpart]] |
| 414 | Link and the Happy Mask Salesman were actually born around the same time, but Link stopped aging due to living in the Kokiri Forest, while HMS grew up into a not-quite-young man. The HMS did his part of Heroism by wandering across the lands - including Hyrule - to spread happiness with his wares. He took it upon himself to rid the world of the evil that is Majora's Mask. When Link left the forest and took up his mantle as the Hero of Time, the HMS went back to Termina because his power was nullified - if two counterparts exist in the same world, one will sap the power of the other. So when Link arrived in Termina, the HMS could only stay beneath the Tower and watch as his world die - and assist his Hylian counterpart any way he could. |
| 415 | |
| 416 | Something else to consider: the HMS has a {{Hammerspace}} organ that has similar properties to the Ocarina of Time. It helped to heal Deku Link of his curse. If you don't play the Song of Time before the Moon falls, never fear; the HMS plays it and reverses time for you. |
| 417 | * Of course, this takes the apparently unpopular viewpoint that the Happy Mask Salesman is ''not'' evil. |
| 418 | |
| 419 | [[WMG: Ganondorf's Termina parallel is the Happy Mask Salesman]] |
| 420 | Snap back to Ocarina of Time for a moment, back to the Forest Temple. After you defeat Phantom Ganon, Ganondorf apparently sends the thing into a void between dimensions. This would imply that he both has knowledge of alternate dimensions, with or without the Triforce; and the ability to open gates through them, probably with the Triforce. That in mind, look at the Happy Mask Salesman. He himself resides in a world in between dimensions, and probably has knowledge of both Hyrule and Termina; this fact is intensified if you believe that the Happy Mask Salesman from [=OoT=] is the same as from MM. Their [=MOs=] are also quite similar: they desire a relic of incredible power, and they're willing to manipulate Link in order to do so. Finally... Both of them are quite obviously evil in some way. |
| 421 | |
| 422 | [[WMG: Ganondorf's Termina parallel is the Moon]] |
| 423 | Its face very closely resembles Ganondorf's, especially his expression during the last we see of him in Ocarina of Time as he's being banished. Like Ganondorf (arguably, it is corrupted by a powerful outside force/artifact (Majora's Mask/Triforce of Power/Anything else that may have influenced Ganondorf in other games). It also seeks to destroy a land, and the 3rd day clock town's ominous, underlying music sounds like Ganondorf's theme (at least in the ZREO version). |
| 424 | ** So, the non-canon version? (I agree on the rest of the WMG tho). |
| 425 | |
| 426 | [[WMG: Koume and Kotake are more than just potions-and-parlor-tricks witches.]] |
| 427 | They are the parallels to Twinrova, who were one of the major bosses of ''Ocarina of Time'' and attempted to screw with the deities' will. One of the Termina witches refers to the Skull Kid as a harmless little punk, despite his abilities to warp space, travel between dimensions, and potential immortality (or even having conquered death, which is admittedly not that big a deal in ''MM'' and other 3D ''Zelda'' games). The only things they do in the game are make potions, remotely pilot a boat, and fly on a broomstick, but their comparison to Twinrova should be enough to suggest they can do more, let alone they're mostly-dismissal of the Skull Kid even with Majora's Mask. |
| 428 | * Because Skull Kid IS a harmless little punk as far as they are aware. Him attacking one of the sisters is all they know he did. |
| 429 | |
| 430 | [[WMG: Kafei is Link's Termina counterpart]] |
| 431 | Besides Link, Kafei is the only character you can control. He also seems to have remarkable courage, the way he was going to go get his mask back all by himself despite being in a child's body. |
| 432 | * This works well with the guess on the other WMG page that Link is [[OlderThanTheyLook Older Than He Looks]], since Kafei has been aged down to roughly Link's age (or slightly but not much younger), and the Skull Kid could have thought it great fun to remove all the age his Hyrule counterpart spent living in the forest. The purple hair, or even the yellow hair in this incarnation, may have been dyed (magically or otherwise), since neither of Kafei's parents has purple hair (mother red, father brown), especially if he was born with blonde hair and scandal/teasing ensued (considering Link's family members aren't always shown to be light-haired, when they're shown at all). |
| 433 | ** Er...Kafei's father has purple hair. Either way, this theory seems plausible, given the player-control thing, the similarity in that both characters de-age, and the fact that Kafei is seemingly the single most important side character in the series (or at least, the one [[ThatOneSidequest given the most attention]]). |
| 434 | * Who's to say that his counterpart has to be identical to him? I mean, the Gorman brothers could be a split of the dude from [=OoT=]'s ranch, to say nothing of what would count as a time paradox with Romani and Cremia on the ranch were it the [=OoT=] timeline. Kafei can be Link's counterpart without looking like him in the hair colour department, I'd think. |
| 435 | * Something else that supports this is that Kafei appears to share several of Link's animations, such as his idle/breathing stance, the way he gives you items, and most notably, the way he holds the Sun Mask up over his head when he gets it back. |
| 436 | ** Though that was mainly done to make it easier for the developers to make him a controllable character - while you're inside Sakon's Hideout, Kafei has a sword-swinging function even though he doesn't have a weapon. |
| 437 | * Worth nothing is that Kafei has purple hair and red eyes, whereas Link has yellow hair and blue eyes. Inverted/complementary colors for both. |
| 438 | * It was actually a bit of a pixellation issue in the SNES, but could Kafei's hair be a reference to the purple/pinkish hue sported by Link in ''A Link to the Past''? |
| 439 | * This troper supports this theory whole-heartedly. Didn't Tatl say something like "you're just like someone I know" (referring to Link) while talking to Kafei? |
| 440 | * Kafei is [[FountainOfYouth a man trapped in a child's body]]. For the bulk of [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime his last adventure]], Link was [[OvernightAgeUp a child trapped in a man's body]]. Hmm… |
| 441 | ** By the same token, whereas Link is of humble origin, never knew his family, and seems to have little time for romance, Kafei is the son of Clock Town's most important citizens, has loving parents, and is passionately in love with Anju. And for whatever it's worth, there are obvious parallels to be drawn between Kafei and Ravio, Link's counterpart in ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaALinkBetweenWorlds''; both wear masks and have purple hair. |
| 442 | |
| 443 | [[WMG: The Butler's Son is Link's Termina counterpart]] |
| 444 | Think about it; If Termina is supposed to be a parallel universe to Hyrule, where are all the Kokiri? We never see a single one. In this universe, the Deku take their place as the "forest" race, so if Link WERE to have an expy, it would have to be a Deku too. In fact, the Deku that was Link left the Deku society in order to go on a quest to defeat Skull Kid, because he knew before anyone else that he would try to destroy the world. During an encounter inside the clock tower, Skull Kid lured the original "Deku Link" into an alternate dimension, tore his face off, found the nearest kid he could tease and trick into wearing the mask, then ran back to Termina, leaving the original "Deku Link" in the alternate reality, sealed behind a stone door that can never be opened. |
| 445 | * The problem with that theory is that Link wasn't actually a Kokiri. I think it was mentioned that Link was orphaned and taken in by the Deku Tree, so that would make him a Hylian. |
| 446 | ** Exactly! Think about it more than at face value. Skullkid is running around. He see's a Hylian that is Link's counterpart. Link was a Hylian raised as a Kokiri, but the two are close enough that they look a like. So for fun and laughs Skullkid decides to make the twinning a tad bit more exact. No Kokiri, so this twin would need mixed in with Dekus. Hmm, he would never blend in like that. *poof* One Dekuized Termina!Link pipping hot. |
| 447 | *** Then how is he the Deku Butler's son? |
| 448 | |
| 449 | [[WMG: ''The Fierce Deity'' is Link's Termina counterpart.]] |
| 450 | With no Hyrule War, there was no reason for [[WMG/TheLegendOfZelda Link to spend time hidden and unaging/slow-aging in the Kokiri forest]]. He grows up, becomes a skilled warrior and champion of justice, working from the shadows if this was recently... Then he gets his soul sucked out trying to destroy Majora's Mask where it was sealed in the Stone Tower Temple (and accidentally breaking the seal ''without'' killing it) and everything goes to pot. The timeline could vary, depending on how long the Happy Mask Salesman had the mask, but it's most likely either just before the Skull Kid got the mask (and the Happy Mask Salesman was returning from retrieving it), or some time ago. |
| 451 | |
| 452 | [[WMG: The Fierce Deity is the Termina counterpart of both Link and Ganondorf.]] |
| 453 | Going on what has been said about the mask, even though it looks like Link it has been described as being evil or at the least malevolent. My theory is that when this mask was created it used two souls instead of one for more power and since we see no counterpart for Ganondorf I believe his counterparts soul along with Links was used in it's creation. |
| 454 | * The two blades of the Helix Sword represent the two. |
| 455 | |
| 456 | [[WMG: The Fierce Deity is the counterpart of Ganondorf.]] |
| 457 | If it is actually evil. Also could be used to show that Link and Ganondorf are not so different or something. |
| 458 | |
| 459 | Sometime in Termina's past, a previous incarnation of Kafei (see above) defeated the Fierce Deity and the Happy Mask Salesman came along and sealed him away in a mask. The Fierce Deity [[EnemyMine lends Link his power]] because he doesn't want the land destroyed before he can take it over, or maybe [[HeelFaceTurn he had a change of heart]]. |
| 460 | |
| 461 | [[WMG: The Fierce Deity is Link's Termina counterpart...]] |
| 462 | The first Link, that is. He received whatever the Termina counterpart of the Triforce of Power was, instead of the Termina Triforce of Courage, causing him to gain great power and lived long enough to become considered a deity. Then he died in some battle (probably sealing Majora in the mask or something), and someone played the Song of Healing, creating the Fierce Deity's Mask. |
| 463 | |
| 464 | [[WMG: There aren't any counterparts to Zelda, Link or Ganondorf in Termina...]] |
| 465 | ..because there isn't a Terminian counterpart to the Triforce. |
| 466 | |
| 467 | [[WMG:There were originally Kokiri in Termina, but they went extinct out long before the game started.]] |
| 468 | When the owl teaches you the Song of Soaring, he notices that you're a "fairy child", and says fairy children are a rare sight nowadays. |
| 469 | * Entirely possible there were Kokiri in Termina, but its far more likely that they merely traveled between the two worlds, since they live right in the Lost Woods, which has a portal to Termina. They probably didn't go extinct, they just left and didn't come back. Perhaps because the world became too dangerous or the Great Deku Tree of Termina was destroyed, or both. |
| 470 | |
| 471 | [[WMG:Majora's Mask is Ganondorf's counterpart]] |
| 472 | Notice how all of it's forms are named "Majora's something", but never just "Majora". According to the manga adaptation, the original Majora was a dragon, defeated by an unnamed hero, implied to be the Fierce Deity. That dragon was Demise's counterpart, with the Fierce Deity being the counterpart of the very first Link from Skyward Sword's backstory. The Mask holds a sliver of Majora's essence, like Ganondorf, being a partial reincarnation of a GreaterScopeVillain, vanquished long ago. |
| 473 | |
| 474 | [[WMG: Igos du Ikana is the Terminian counterpart to Ganondorf]] |
| 475 | Both Ganon and Ikana are the kings of their respective lands, which are located in desert-like lands. Both are large in height, wear topaz jewelry (Ikana's brooch, Ganondorf's head jewel and necklace) and cloth with intricate patterns, and have red hair (in Ikana's case, his beard spikes). In a way, Igos represents what Ganondorf would become in ''Wind Waker'': a being who longs for the old days, but has to resign himself to the fact that things will never be as they once were. Only difference is that while Igos just accepted his fate, Ganon would get the whole Triforce and come close to resurrecting Hyrule. |
| 476 | |
| 477 | [[WMG: The Garo are the Terminian counterparts of the Sheikah.]] |
| 478 | It’s simple, really. The Sheikah of Hyrule were shadowy, ninja-like protectors of the Hyrulean Royal Family. The Garo were the shadowy, ninja-like allies of the Ikana Royal Family. Heck, both groups were thought to be completely wiped out save for possibly one member: Impa being a surviving Sheikah is obvious, but the Garo Master from Stone Tower has to use a bomb to remove his corpse, unlike the Garo Ninja that fade away like the ghosts they are. It's possible that the Garo Master was actually alive, unlike his followers that haunt Ikana Canyon. |
| 479 | [[/folder]] |
| 480 | |
| 481 | [[folder:Concerning Other Things]] |
| 482 | |
| 483 | Guesses that either have yet to be sorted or don't quite fit into the above folders. |
| 484 | |
| 485 | [[WMG:The "sad tree" in ''Majora's Mask'' is the butler's son.]] |
| 486 | As Link is navigating the strange cave that leads to Termina, he comes upon a knobby little tree with a sad face. During the end credits, the butler is seen apparently mourning over it. Since all of Link's other transformative masks are made of the earthly regrets of the dead and magical curses of the living extracted and sealed into a mask by the Song of Healing, it stands to reason that Skull Kid's curse may have involved the sad tree in some way. |
| 487 | * This has been confirmed by the Main/WordOfGod. Fairly obvious, too, I thought. |
| 488 | ** And also in the ''Majora's Mask'' Manga; where the mask was the butler's son. |
| 489 | * Also, the butler mentions after you get the Mask of Scents that the mask reminds him of his lost son, to the point he forgot you weren't him. |
| 490 | |
| 491 | [[WMG: The "Fierce Deity" is the personification of the future.]] |
| 492 | The Fierce Deity is shrouded in mystery. Plus, it is the last mask to be found in the game. If this is the [=OoT=] link, then it cannot be a past Link, because apparently he is the first Link. Many future Links wear different tunics, so this one is a comination of those. One of his attacks is to shoot a beam out of his sword. This is attack is commonly used by later Links. His fate might be to [[FutureBadass become a god-like being]], hence his appearance. The Helix sword is an amalgam of all of his swords to be gotten in the future. |
| 493 | * I ({{@/Fairy Red}}) believe this, too. Link's sulking as he and Epona trot on for a bit. He stops suddenly, then looks around some. And then...he rides off. We don't see which direction Link rides off to in the end. It's not at all unusual idea for him to want to stay in Termina. You do see "Mikau" in the band playing the guitar. I mean, thanks to the GroundhogDayLoop, he's probably become emotionally attached to everyone in Termina. He ''cares'' for them a whole lot. Maybe he learned that Navi won't ever return, or he simply forgot about her, knowing all the chaos he was going through in MM. And sure, Tatl told him to leave, but she clearly didn't want him to leave. Maybe Link and Tatl and Tael and the Skull Kid live in Termina happily. |
| 494 | ** It's since been jossed that this is the first Link, though this theory isn't necessarily negated by this. |
| 495 | |
| 496 | [[WMG: The horse Link found in ''Majora's Mask'' was NOT Epona]] |
| 497 | Romani never says that they found the horse anywhere, so it is to assume that it had been there on the farm for a long time. Also, the horse's name is never mentioned and there are identical-looking counterparts of almost everyone in Termina. It's just Tatl who thinks that the horse could be Epona. The real Epona has been killed by the Skull Kid right before he put the curse on Link. |
| 498 | ** Then why does Not-Epona still come when you play Epona's Song? Is this just Termina's Mirror-Epona? |
| 499 | *** Exactly. Remember that Romani gives you Epona's song. It's never said how long she's had the horse. |
| 500 | *** A gossip stone (in the Mountains region, this troper seems to recall) says that "A small, lost horse seems to have been taken in by Romani Ranch, south of town...", thus implying that the Skull Kid just left Epona somewhere and she was found and taken in by Romani. |
| 501 | *** The gossip stone doesn't say "''Epona'' seems to have been taken in", so it could still be her Termina counterpart, which might have nothing to do with Skull Kid. |
| 502 | |
| 503 | [[WMG: The Deku Butler's son commited suicide.]] |
| 504 | We all know that the Deku Butler's son died but how and why? It was never mentioned. We only know that he left the palace for unexplained reasons and did not return. He eventually died and his soulless body took the form of a sad tree. If the scary Deku Scrub transformation cutscene had a meaning, it must have been an insight into the life of the Deku Butler's son(bullying maybe?) The mask itself looks very depressing, more so than Mikau's or Darmani's and he's never actually healed. The Skullkid didn't kill him and only took advantage of his soul. |
| 505 | * Debunked. According to ''Hyrule Historia'', the butler's son died by having his soul sucked out by the Skull Kid, not by his own hand. |
| 506 | |
| 507 | [[WMG: The Blast Mask was designed as an emergency tool for trapped miners.]] |
| 508 | Such as the guy who was picking through the boulder in front of Romani Ranch. They carry the mine, and either due to their intense defensive training, a lot of single-use (or one reusable) healing items, their knowledge of the proper workings of the bomb mask, or all of the above, they can use the mask to blast the way through the rubble in a pinch. There may be some trick to using it that increases the power to something similar to a Goron Keg and a trick that decreases or nullifies the damage done to the wearer, but Link did not have the time (or local knowledge) to find and learn from a master of the Art of the Bomb Mask. [[LighterAndFluffier Similarly]], the All-Night Mask was designed for watchmen ([[SarcasmMode yeah, right]]). The abandonment of equipping the guards with the All-Night Mask (likely due to only having the prototype, and it not being worth it to make more) results in Sakon being able to run right past the guard who was asleep on his feet. |
| 509 | |
| 510 | [[WMG: [[http://www.zeldauniverse.net/articles/the-legend/the-message-of-majoras-mask/ The stone tower is the Termina version of the tower of Babel]]]] |
| 511 | |
| 512 | [[WMG: The cattle-stealing aliens are actually some versions of Garos, summoned by the Gormon Brothers]] |
| 513 | Think about it. The professor in Ikana Canyon says that Garos have been sighted in the ranch. It's possible that he mistook the Gormon Brothers in their masks, but that seems like a very silly mistake for a professor who's dedicated his life to studying spirits to make. Going off of that though, ''the Gormon Brothers have Garo masks''. Which means they have the power to summon Garos. The game makes it quite clear that the Brothers' milk is of much lesser quality than Cremia's and it's implied that they've resorted to other vandalism and theft to get rid of competition. The aliens ''only'' steal the cows and Romani says that they come every time the carnival approaches and always just take the cows. On the third day, if you don't stop the invasion, the Gormon Brothers are extremely gleeful and tell Link that they're now the only ones around who can provide milk, now that Cremia has none. |
| 514 | --> '''Gormon Brothers''' "Seems some monstrous Garos appeared at Romani Ranch yesterday. And I heard the wagon carrying their milk was attacked. I tell you, that's a dangerous place... Seems like we're the only ones who have any milk left. Hyuh, hyuh." |
| 515 | * That is in reference to the Gorman Bros raid on Cremia's milk wagon, which they do while wearing their Garo masks. You cannot convince Cremia to stop that raid unless you help Romani stop the cattle theft first but the two events are coincidental. The aliens may not be Garos. |
| 516 | * I was under the impression that the mask didn't let you summon Garos. It seemed more like it called you to their attention. Also, if he said that Garos "had been sighted," it may well have been ''someone else'' who mistook the Gormons and then later told him about it. Incidentally, the aliens are based off of the Flatwoods Monster, one of the odder examples of supposed extraterrestrial visitors. |
| 517 | |
| 518 | [[WMG: All timelines converge at the end.]] |
| 519 | Think about it. The ending seems to indicate that everyone in Termina got their happy ending. This can only mean one of two things: Either all the possible timelines created by travelling through time ended up converging upon Majora's destruction, or Link went back in time again and helped absolutely everyone. |
| 520 | * This would also make sense considering the way Termina is so similar yet so different to Hyrule. in Hyrule, a single timeline split into several timelines; in Termina, several timelines merge into a single timeline. |
| 521 | * There is one flaw in this, however: Completing Anju and Kafei's Sidequest requires you to let Sakon mug the Bomb Shop Owner's mother, otherwise he won't show up on the night of the 2nd day with the Big Bomb Bag and thus Kafei never tracks him to Ikana, locking the quest completely. So one of those has to be left unattended. If anything, that merely means all the possible timelines converge into two major ones where Link helps everyone but Kafei and Anju, and one where Link helps everyone but the Bomb Shop Lady. |
| 522 | ** But if both the Anju/Kafei quests and the Deku Scrub quests get their happy endings, there is no paper to give the poor [[WebVideo/TheLegendOfZeldaTheAbridgedseries hand in the can]]. |
| 523 | |
| 524 | [[WMG: The entire series of events is a massive scheme by... someone to prepare Link for a future challenge]] |
| 525 | Simply put, after his return from Termina Link has all the abilities he had before getting sent to the past. Even some items that would have been too large for his child form but just happened to come in compatible size in Termina. And all in three days. There is no way that's simply a coincidence. The only question is whether the someone behind the scenes orchestrated the attack in the first place, or only brought Link to the right place at the right time. |
| 526 | * Want some extra horror? Who says that said evil has to just pick ''one'' host? |
| 527 | |
| 528 | [[WMG: Cremia is the Termina counterpart of Malon's mother.]] |
| 529 | Her Termina counterpart didn't die as Malon's mother did. Perhaps there's a lot of mother-daughter resemblance, Malon always was a bit of an UglyGuysHotDaughter. |
| 530 | * It seems more like Malon is split into Romani and Cremia, each representing one of Malon's states between the time periods. Romani is child Malon as seen in the past, and Cremia is adult Malon in the future. |
| 531 | |
| 532 | [[WMG: Romani gets lobotomized on the night she is abducted along with the cows.]] |
| 533 | |
| 534 | [[WMG: The Fierce Deity was a ChaoticNeutral War God that pre-dated the Four Giants.]] |
| 535 | The Fierce Deity does look a lot like Link, but the elements unique to him give him a distinctly ancient, even primordial feel. He seems to wear war paint, and even painted designs on his armor. His equipment looks like a split between hewn stone and metal, and his gigantic stature and grim appearance just sort of give the feeling of something left over from a more brutal, warlike age. It's possible that the Fierce Deity was neither heroic nor malevolent, simply ferocious and violent, and was sealed in a mask because the people of Termania (or perhaps the three goddesses) wanted to contain his rampages. Afterwards, the Four Giants replaced him as the gods of Termania, giving the people more benevolent protectors and leaving the Fierce Deity trapped in the mask until Link awakened him to fight for Termania one last time. |
| 536 | |
| 537 | * Perhaps he was a previous skull kid, AKA the previous puppet in Majora's scheme, but was locked in a mask for this reason. |
| 538 | |
| 539 | [[WMG: The Garo are the Terminan counterparts to the Sheikah.]] |
| 540 | |
| 541 | As well as a near inverse, attacking rather than swearing allegiance to the Royal Family (Ikana), but they have a lot of similarities in values and fighting style and are nearly as mysterious. |
| 542 | |
| 543 | [[WMG: Cremia isn't in love with Kafei.]] |
| 544 | |
| 545 | She's in love with [[LesYay Anju]]. Romani says there is someone in town that Cremia likes, but not by gender: |
| 546 | |
| 547 | '''Romani:''' ''Romani knows... My sister, Cremia, has someone in town she likes... But that person will get married the day of the carnival. It's hard for my sister... Going into town...'' |
| 548 | |
| 549 | Cremia doesn't mention Kafei either when talking about Anju's upcoming wedding. |
| 550 | |
| 551 | '''Cremia:''' ''In town...I have a friend. Her name's Anju... Anju... The day after tomorrow is her wedding.'' |
| 552 | |
| 553 | I know it doesn't make sense, but every time I go to the ranch at the 2nd night to help Cremia, I can't help but think that it might actually be Anju that Cremia loves, even with Anju's mother trying to imply that Cremia and Kafei ran off together. |
| 554 | * That just makes it even better and even more twisted. |
| 555 | * That...actually makes a lot of sense and fits into the Fridge tropes this game has a ton of. |
| 556 | * Furthermore, Cremia has literally next to ''nothing'' to say about Kafei despite his disappearance. Literally the only thing you can get her to say about him is her annoyed comment when you put on Kafei's mask, expressing irritation at Kafei's mother for sending you there and saying simply that "Kafei isn't here". On the other hand, she has ''everything'' to say about Anju, constantly expressing concern about her and talking about her in several instances. Balancing this out with the fact that the rumor started ''somehow'', it's pretty much ambiguous which one of the two she's really in love with. |
| 557 | |
| 558 | [[WMG: Link killing a Garo by drawing his sword in Chuggaaconroy's Majora's Mask LP]] is what inspired him to create the [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess Mortal Draw]] technique. |
| 559 | |
| 560 | [[WMG: It's a journey about power.]] |
| 561 | The area where Link is transformed onto a Deku Scrub has two golden triangles, the two inferior parts of the triforce, i think this means Link has attained Courage and Wisdom, but lacks power, Majora's Mask is focused on side quests which is a different kind of power, the power to help, in [=OoT=] link was limited on what he could do to help, here not so much, once link leaves Termina and eventually becomes the Hero's Shade is because he attained Power, Wisdom and Courage. |
| 562 | |
| 563 | [[WMG: Link wasn't searching for Navi.]] |
| 564 | Rather, he was searching for Saria. She went missing in the Lost Woods, so Link went out on his own to search for her. After the game, he eventually found her. |
| 565 | * Nope. Sources have confirmed that it's Navi he's searching for, after she left him at the end of ''Ocarina of Time''. |
| 566 | ** That's no reason to dismiss the theory. Official sources like the ''Hyrule Historia'' are famously full of contradictions, and there's plenty to suggest that Link was indeed searching for Saria (also, DeathOfTheAuthor). Consider, for example: |
| 567 | *** The Song of Healing is Saria's Song in reverse. |
| 568 | *** At the end of the game, Link and Skull Kid bond over Saria's Song. If we assume Link is searching for Saria, then this is a sensible ending: he comes to accept that Saria is gone (''Majora's Mask'' is often interpreted as a metaphor for the five stages of grief) and makes a ''new'' friend that shares his connection to her. |
| 569 | *** The very last image of the game is a picture of Link and Skull Kid carved on a tree stump very similar to Saria's seat in the Sacred Forest Meadow (possibly the same one?). We also hear Saria's Song when the image appears. |
| 570 | *** This one's more of a stretch, but Skull Kid's lost friends, the four Giants, have green hair. If we interpret Skull Kid as Link's mirror image, then they're both mourning green-haired friends. |
| 571 | |
| 572 | [[WMG: The Banker is aware that time is repeating itself, and has a treasure chest that is immune to time travel.]] |
| 573 | He stores all of Link's rupees in the treasure chest, and that's why he always knows how much is in there, whether you put them in (or take them out) on day 1 or day 3. The treasure chest is immune to time travel. |
| 574 | |
| 575 | [[WMG: Link stayed for a little while after the ending to clean up loose plot threads]] |
| 576 | Nobody said Link had to leave Termina on the fourth day, and with the moon no longer falling, he's got all the time in the world to help the people of Termina that he missed the chance to before. That explains why Kafei's wedding happens whether you helped him in this cycle or not, because even if you didn't, Link doubled back and helped Kafei reclaim the Sun's Mask, anyway. |
| 577 | |
| 578 | [[WMG: The Music Box House in Ikana Canyon that Pamela and her father live in was once Guru-Guru's residence.]] |
| 579 | The house seems tailor made for the guy. It's the closest thing to a windmill (his counterpart's residence) seen in Termina, it's located in the resident "creepy ghost area" in both worlds, and it has a connection to the Song of Storms, which Guru-Guru always plays. |
| 580 | * What's the connection to the Song of Storms, exactly? |
| 581 | ** In-game, the Song of Storms is needed to overflow the Spring Water Cave and turn the Music Box House's wheel. It's never specified exactly when Flat composed it (it could've been during his confinment as a ghost, even), but if it was composed in his lifetime, the basic melody might have been passed down through the ages as a folk tune. Assuming Guru-Guru was originally an inhabitant of Ikana Canyon, this would explain how he came to know the song, and why he would use it as an inspiration for the Gorman Troupe's music. |
| 582 | |
| 583 | [[WMG: The remake will give Majora's Mask an additional form if you use the Fierce Deity's Mask.]] |
| 584 | Not only would it be a great surprise, it can give the Fierce Deity's Mask an actual challenge to fight against. |
| 585 | * Debunked. It's still the same three phases. |
| 586 | |
| 587 | [[WMG: The remake will acknowledge if you were fishing by the time the moon hits.]] |
| 588 | Possibly in the form of the Happy Mask Salesman giving you a WhatTheHellHero speech while shaking you like mad. |
| 589 | * Debunked. |
| 590 | |
| 591 | [[WMG: The Fierce Deity's Mask was used to unite the multiple timelines in which Link helped everyone]] |
| 592 | Since the description for the FDM states that it may be equal in power to Majora's Mask, when Link defeats Majora, he uses its power to fix all the issues he couldn't get to in a single loop, just as Majora caused many of those issues just before the loop began. However, neither mask is powerful enough to bring back the dead, so Darmani, Mikau, and the Deku Butler's Son remain masks. |
| 593 | |
| 594 | [[WMG: Link goes back to Hyrule at the end of the game]] |
| 595 | When he first get's the Ocarina back, he remembers Zelda hoping that he'll come back to her. When the Happy Mask Salesmen tells him that whether a separation is long or short is up to him, he decides to do just that. He's gone through the stages of grief for his lost friend he can now go home with a light heart and a renewed sense of purpose. |
| 596 | |
| 597 | [[WMG: After the game is over, Link goes back to Termina on a yearly basis to help defend Romani's cows from them.]] |
| 598 | At least until Romani is capable enough of doing so herself. A lot happens at Romani Ranch during Link's time in Termina, and it's really the only place whose troubles weren't all caused by Majora's Mask. Link also wouldn't be adverse to tying up loose ends, since he made sure to fill in for Mikau during the band's carnival performance. No reason he couldn't spend a single day each year helping out the people who basically offered to adopt him. |
| 599 | |
| 600 | [[WMG:The time loop of ''Majora's Mask'' had horrible consequences.]] |
| 601 | (This can also work as an addition to the above genocide theory.) While Link was living through the same three days over and over again in Termina, time was still advancing in Hyrule. And because Link would slow down time or skip ahead days and nights over and over, he had no idea that Hyrulian time was [[NarniaTime moving at a different speed.]] When he finally defeated Majora and returned to Hyrule, he found that the land he knew and loved was completely alien now. Hyrule had declined. The Gerudo and Kokiri were seemingly extinct, humans now lived in the forest, and a colossal prison had been built on top of the ruined Sprit Temple. All the other races were alienated from each other. All of the friends Link had made, even the Princess Zelda he knew, were long dead. He was an adult spirit trapped in the body of a child displaced from his own time. As he grew up in this darker new Hyrule, he honed his skills should the Hero of Time ever be called upon again. But this new Hyrule had no use for an antiquated hero from an antiquated age, and so Link drifted into history, dying alone and filled with regret. It would not be for many years until his restless spirit would be awoken by a new darkness spreading across Hyrule. And then, when it seemed all hope was lost, he discovered the beginnings of a Hero within a youth much like himself, a young man descended from Link's own bloodline... |
| 602 | * Alternatively, tying in to the theory that ''Majora's Mask'' is AllJustADream, ''MM'' literally takes place ''during'' the seven years that ''[=OoT=]'' Link is lying dormant in the Temple of Time, possibly as a test to help him hone his abilities. |
| 603 | |
| 604 | [[WMG:Kafei and Cremia were originally in an arranged marriage.]] |
| 605 | Their parents had set one up when they were younger. Cremia's family would get financial backing from Kafei's to fix the farm up and get it running better, while Kafei's family would get to share in the profits now that they partially own the farm. However, Kafei's heart belonged to his childhood friend Anju, so he refused. Anju is worried that she won't be good enough to justify his decision since all her family has is an old inn. Kafei’s parents were not happy about him refusing. When he disappeared, his mother thought it was because of all the drama and he would rather leave Clock Town forever than deal with all of it. She vowed that if her son was found she would support his choice to marry Anju. How Cremia feels about this isn’t clear, but she’s probably a little annoyed that the farm is going to continue to struggle financially. |
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