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| 7 | See also the page for ''WMG/TangledTheSeries''. |
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| 9 | [[WMG: This movie is set on a smaller planet than earth.]] |
| 10 | Gravity is weaker, which is why Flynn and Maximus can leap across rooftops and survive falling from great heights. |
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| 12 | [[WMG: Rapunzel's hair healed her mind.]] |
| 13 | That's why she's so [[AngstWhatAngst well-adjusted]]. |
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| 15 | [[WMG: Gothel is Zhan Tiri's third apprentice]] |
| 16 | We see that Zhan Tiri is summoned by three people. If one looks at the hair styles, Sugracha is obviously the center figure and the one on the right is Matthews. The one on the left, judging by the figure, is female with long wispy hair. Now who do we know with wispy hair and a thin waist? Gothel. |
| 17 | * Suddenly, Gothel's motives for keeping Rapunzel become much darker. It probably also explains her trips away from the tower, she's searching for the Moon Stone. |
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| 19 | [[WMG: Rapunzel and Flynn/Eugene will have twins]] |
| 20 | In the original tale, Rapunzel and the prince have fraternal twins. |
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| 22 | [[WMG: The effect Rapunzel's power has is based on empathic resonance between power source and receiving party.]] |
| 23 | Things were easier with a flower, which had no conscious judgement on right or wrong. Hair, [[spoiler:tears]] and so on are just mediums through which the power propagates, what matters is the intent to heal on behalf of source, i.e. Rapunzel. And vice versa - if Mother had tried healing herself [[spoiler:after she was outed as a kidnapper, she probably would have been burned to a crisp.]] This leaves a wide field for application of her power when she gets older and more familiar with using and controlling it - from mass healing to heating hydroponic domes to... military application. Further consequences range from messianism and establishing a new religion with Rapunzel as primary deity (or, perhaps reforming the sun worship cult that is already present?) to World War 0 and ''freaking magical armageddon''. |
| 24 | * And this might be exactly the reason why mother Gothel kidnapped the girl and tried to isolate her from the world... Too much power, too little ethical control. Think nuclear weapons in XVIII century. ''Living'' nuclear weapons. Sure, she wanted to love forever, but she also didn't want the world she is living in to go up in flame. And living long enough that she did, she understood that this scenario is all too possible... |
| 25 | * Or she was just a selfish ControlFreak who wanted to exploit Rapunzel and her abilities for herself. Let's not dive too far into DracoInLeatherPants here. |
| 26 | * Mother Gothel was an old woman who had her life support equipment stolen by the richest and most powerful family in the land. It doesn't seem completely wrong for her to steal it back. |
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| 28 | [[WMG: Gothel occasionally allowed others to use the Flower — for a price]] |
| 29 | Before the King and Queen came and took the Flower away, Gothel had occasionally accepted to heal the rich and desperate, for a ''very high'' price. After all, a VainSorceress needs money. They were blindfolded (or a magical equivalent thereof) on the way to the Flower and part of the price was secrecy, but over the centuries, a few broke their oahts; thus, the legend of the healing flower grew, if only in very vague terms. This is how the King was aware of it by the time his wife fell ill. |
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| 31 | [[WMG: Rapunzel is a Spirt-using Moroi from the ''Literature/VampireAcademy'' series.]] |
| 32 | Gothel would 'spike' her food with small amounts of blood, just enough to keep her alive. |
| 33 | |
| 34 | [[WMG: Possible descendants of Eugene and Rapunzel include...]] |
| 35 | |
| 36 | [[WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra Mako and Bolin]], because it's just too cool to not be true. Bolin has Rapunzel's ability to keep smiling despite an unhappy childhood, and Mako dose look a bit like Eugene. According to a meme, he's also apparently inherited the Smolder. (The link would have been here but the URL was too bloody long, just search Google images if you want.) Also, behold their shared preference for free-spirited brunets who just happen to be the spirits of the sun and earth, respectively. |
| 37 | ** WHO GAVE YOU THE RIGHT? |
| 38 | *** Me, that's who. |
| 39 | |
| 40 | [[WMG: Mother Gothel's reprise of ''[[VillainSong Mother Knows Best]]'' was a sexual metaphor.]] |
| 41 | She claims that Flynn only wants one thing, which is the tiara, and that once he gets it, he'll leave Rapunzel, since he never really cared about her. Cuts deep, considering how much depth is put into the male characters in this story. |
| 42 | ** Also see [[Analysis/{{Tangled}} Tangled - Analysis]] for further exploration of the Crown representing virginity. |
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| 44 | [[WMG: The crown represents virginity.]] |
| 45 | As [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything/AnimatedFilms discussed on another page]], the crown probably is supposed to be her virginity. In the campfire scene, take it with that context. Yeah. Mother Gothel tells her that Flynn is only after one thing and once he gets it, he will leave her. Rapunzel's hair can also be seen as a symbol of her virginity, having gotten its power from a magic flower. Thus, Flynn [[spoiler:"deflowered" her when he slashed her hair with a pointy object]]. It's even worse if you listen to the reprise of "Mother Knows Best" on the soundtrack. Without almost totally visual context, this is exactly what it sounds like. This is even worse when you think back to the original story. |
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| 47 | Not to mention the scene where the Stabbington brothers encounter Rapunzel and try to capture her. The ominous atmosphere made it seem more like they were trying to rape her. This adds a even creepier factor to the Stabbington Brothers' "We want her" line. It's already pretty misinterpretable, but they want her 'magic hair', when they first wanted the 'crown'. |
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| 49 | [[WMG: Rapunzel [[spoiler:still retains solar powers]]]] |
| 50 | In the ''Tangled Ever After'' thingy, a beam of sunlight glows more intensely when she [[spoiler: kisses Flynn]], so she not only retains her magic, she probably can now [[LightEmUp externalise her powers]]. |
| 51 | |
| 52 | [[WMG: Flynn's not an orphan; his parents are Tulio and Chel from ''WesternAnimation/TheRoadToElDorado''.]] |
| 53 | Just look at the kid; he takes after his dad, right down to romantic and sexual tension with a green-eyed, fairly innocent blonde. |
| 54 | * Miguel? ''Innocent?'' |
| 55 | ** He would be if he'd been locked in a tower most of his life; as it is, he's still got the sweet disposition. |
| 56 | * Just because they're his parents doesn't mean he's not an orphan. Tulio and Chel were just dead. |
| 57 | * Maybe's Chel was dead (from smallpox unknowningly given to her from Tulio and Miguel), and Tulio had been in jail and unable to raise his son. |
| 58 | |
| 59 | [[WMG: Flynn is Tulio and ''[[MisterSeahorse Miguel's]]'' child...]] |
| 60 | [[http://i53.tinypic.com/ogfaft.png Exhibit A]] |
| 61 | * He's a descendent of both of them, but not in [[HomosexualReproduction that way.]] Tulio and Chell had a daughter; Miguel met another woman... [[HandWave somewhere]] in that wilderness, and had a son with her. Their kids hooked up. The child of ''that'' line is a direct ancestor to Flynn. |
| 62 | [[http://i.imgur.com/frVH6.png Exhibit B]] |
| 63 | |
| 64 | [[WMG: Alternately, Flynn is Miguel and Tulio’s son.]] |
| 65 | The gods of El Dorado used their [[AWizardDidIt godly magic]] to give Tulio and Miguel a kid. After all Eugene means ‘good birth’, what’s a better birth than being created by gods? |
| 66 | |
| 67 | [[WMG: Flynn is the son of Tulio with Miguel's ''sister''.]] |
| 68 | This exchange from ''WesternAnimation/TheRoadToElDorado'' takes on a whole new meaning now. |
| 69 | -->'''Miguel:''' "You fight like my sister!"\ |
| 70 | '''Tulio:''' "I fought your sister. That's a compliment." |
| 71 | ** Even more with when it was translated to... |
| 72 | -->"I fought your sister, and I used my best sword!" |
| 73 | |
| 74 | [[WMG: Flynn's just the bastard son of Tulio and some other girl.]] |
| 75 | Flynn had to get "The Smolder" from somewhere! |
| 76 | * [[http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_KqGtJGVXYTY/SKOtc53NZ8I/AAAAAAAAAIs/mRQavZPUvMs/s400/Pretty+Face.jpg The Smolder? Direct descendant of The Face!]] |
| 77 | * ...[[http://i56.tinypic.com/3133lzs.png OH MY GOD!]] |
| 78 | |
| 79 | [[WMG: ''Rapunzel'' is descended from Miguel.]] |
| 80 | At some point, Miguel seduced a married queen, and the resulting child is Rapunzel's ancestor. |
| 81 | |
| 82 | [[WMG: Maximus is Altivo's descendant.]] |
| 83 | Overly smart horse who acts like a dog, ho! |
| 84 | * Altivo means "supreme" and Maximus means "greatest". |
| 85 | * They look ''really really'' similar. |
| 86 | |
| 87 | [[WMG: Maximus is the Captain of the Guard, not his rider]] |
| 88 | Sort of speaks for itself. Maximus is the one with the title and rank, not the guy riding him. |
| 89 | |
| 90 | [[WMG: Flynn is the illegitimate son of a king of an adjacent kingdom several leagues away from Rapunzel's.]] |
| 91 | This Wild Mass Guess(ing) was inspired by the description for HeroicBastard on the main title page. |
| 92 | |
| 93 | Flynn's real name is Greek for "Born to Royalty," but he is raised in an orphanage. |
| 94 | |
| 95 | The film never suggests that he is a ''prince'', although who knows with Flynn Rider! |
| 96 | * "Fitzhurbert" means bastard son of Hurbert, right? Well, what about that King in Sleeping Beauty? Philip's father? His name was Hurbert! |
| 97 | * Wow, so Eugene is related to Philip? He's Philip's bastard brother, so that would mean... |
| 98 | ** Also remember that Phillip's mother is nowhere in ''WesternAnimation/SleepingBeauty.'' Flynn's mother may have been a consort of the court. |
| 99 | * Philip's father is King ''Hubert'', not Herburt. |
| 100 | * Alternatively- Eugene's biological father was a [[WesternAnimation/{{Frozen|2013}} Westergard.]] |
| 101 | ** He does look vaguely like Prince Hans, and we know they exist in the same universe. (And the size of that particular family is somewhat notorious.) |
| 102 | * Beside "Eugene" just means "''good'' birth" -- the "eu-" is like the "u-" in "utopia" or "good place." (Gene, of course, means birth.) |
| 103 | ** No. Utopia means "''non-''place", not "good place". |
| 104 | *** Actually, it's a pun. It means both. |
| 105 | *** It could also be a cruel joke at his expense, as in, being illegitimate, hes the opposite of 'well-born'. |
| 106 | |
| 107 | Which leads to the conclusion: |
| 108 | [[WMG:At least one of Flynn's parents isn't actually dead, they just rejected him]] |
| 109 | * It could be why he finds his own backstory so miserable he doesn't even want to bring it up for pathos: either... |
| 110 | ** his mother isn't dead, but circumstances meant that she couldn't marry his father when she got pregnant, so she left him in an orphanage and disappeared in hope of avoiding the stigma of being an unmarried mother AND/OR |
| 111 | ** His father is alive but wanted nothing to do with his mother once she got pregnant- either she was too far below him to consider marrying or he was already married anyway- either way the baby's existence was just embarrassing- if Flynn's mother did die his father still just wanted to erase his existance |
| 112 | *** which would explain why Flynn feels no compunction about stealing from the rich and powerful seeing as a rich powerful guy treated him so appallingly simply on grounds of status- Flynn feels like he owes the whole world nothing and those in power even less. |
| 113 | * This fits somewhat well with the observation that, according to traditional naming patterns, the affix "Fitz-" on his real last name marks him as an [[HeroicBastard illegitimate child]]. His father saw him as an embarrassment and refused to support him or be associated with him in any way, and his mother lacked the means to support him on her own, so he was dumped in an orphanage. |
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| 115 | [[WMG: Rapunzel is a descendant of [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyIX Garnet and Zidane]].]] |
| 116 | Her full name is Rapunzel til Alexandros I, and she's the princess of Alexandria in an age when nonhumans have mainly formed their own nations and moved away from human settlements. The old name of Alexandria ceased to be applicable when their guardian Alexander was destroyed, and the city-state was renamed by a later generation after the sun-cult gained prominence. |
| 117 | * Look at [[http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120608190540/finalfantasy/images/9/9d/AlexandriaByTheSteeple.png the]] [[http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120610200630/finalfantasy/images/d/d1/AlexandriaSquare.png city]] [[http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120608190539/finalfantasy/images/b/bf/AlexandriaMainStreet1.png itself]]! The architecture, the surrounding landscape of mountains and lake and rivers, the ''boats''. |
| 118 | * Her appearance is exactly what you would get from a descendant of Garnet and Zidane, and her personality combines his cheerful enthusiasm and sense of adventure with her staunch responsibility and innocent outlook, plus their mutual charisma and leadership skills. Her healing powers manifested so strongly because healing was already in her blood. |
| 119 | * The transparent crystals in her tiara are a resetting of the [[http://www.thenoodlebowl.com/jongleur/garnetpendant.jpg Alexandrian Royal Pendant]], possibly after some kind of damage that split the original enormous crystal into pieces. |
| 120 | * It also explains why her parents don't mind her falling in love with a common thief, let alone marrying one. It's practically a family tradition. |
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| 122 | [[WMG: The movie's name change was because of Flynn]] |
| 123 | The filmmakers realized that Flynn could just as easily be considered the main character as Rapunzel. He's the one who is given most of the significant growth and development, and most of the good lines. He is also the story's narrator. |
| 124 | |
| 125 | Why name the movie after the Princess when it could as easily be considered Flynn's story? So they re-named the film to be more ambiguous about the character focus. |
| 126 | * This is true, according to ''WordofGod''–the movie is about the two getting "tangled" with each other, not just about one or the other. (In some overseas markets, it's known as "The Princess and the Thief".) |
| 127 | * The name change was also to be more gender-neutral. It's possible the filmakers thought that naming the film after either Rapunzel or Flynn might alienate either young boys or young girls, which is why the name is what it is. Much of the early marketing focused on Flynn, but it's still a Franchise/DisneyPrincess movie. |
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| 129 | [[WMG: Zeppelins!]] |
| 130 | Two points are important here |
| 131 | * The kingdom has clearly stumbled upon the secret to lighter-than-air flight with those floating lanterns. |
| 132 | ** [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_lantern Sky Lanterns were invented in the 3rd century BC.]] The kingdom of Corona must have appropriated them from China. |
| 133 | * There's a map of the world in one scene showing that this takes place on Earth. But the kingdom in the movie doesn't exist. Therefore, this is an AlternateTimeline. |
| 134 | |
| 135 | * Given the presence of lighter than air travel and alternate history, it's inevitable that Rapunzel and Flynn will conquer Europe with a fleet of flying war zepplins. |
| 136 | |
| 137 | [[WMG: Rapunzel and her family are descendants of Belle and The Beast aka "Adam" of WesternAnimation/BeautyAndTheBeast.]] |
| 138 | Belle and Rapunzel are both brunettes. While Rapunzel is usually seen as blonde, that golden hair was magic; the brown hair was under the magic from the beginning. And there are hints of green in Belle's eyes. |
| 139 | |
| 140 | Also, the castle of Rapunzel's parents is similar in design of The Beast's enchanted castle in ''WesternAnimation/BeautyAndTheBeast.'' |
| 141 | |
| 142 | WordOfGod set ''Tangled'' in 1780. In RealLife, Belle and Adam would be at least grandparents by then. Maybe Rapunzel's mother married into the Kingdom of Corona. |
| 143 | * Small amount of GenerationXerox, there: they were both destined to sing {{I Want Song}}s as dandelion seeds fluttered about their heads! |
| 144 | * It's confirmed that Belle and Rapunzel are natural brunettes. Perhaps Rapunzel's biological mother was Belle's granddaughter. Brown hair is dominant; green eyes are recessive. Thus, Rapunzel may be related to Belle in ''some'' way.. |
| 145 | * From the looks of it, those clothes look like early to mid-1700s, while Belle's dress looks kind of late 1700s (then again, I'm not entirely sure), is it possible they could be ancestors? |
| 146 | ** That makes sense! Just compare the Prince's nose and bridge [[http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_full_width/hash/f1/9d/prince_12.jpg here]] to Flynn's in [[http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ldwm0iEuCS1qfgu6ao1_500.jpg this]] [[RunningGag Wanted poster]]- the resemblance is uncanny! |
| 147 | ** but Beauty and the Beast is clearly established to be set in France. and not only that, If Tangled is set in 1780, then it's a land clearly set in MedievalStasis, while Beauty and the Beast appears to be consistent more or less with the 17th or 18th century. Also, Gaston uses a gun, Corona's royal guards use swords and bow and arrows. |
| 148 | *** Beauty and the Beast is probably early 1700s based on the architecture and when the original book was published. Corona might be a minor state in the Holy Roman Empire (as in it's literally everything within a day's walk of the castle and nothing else) which retains a ceremonial guard but hasn't bothered updating it with guns due to being tucked away in a relatively peaceful bit of the Empire. Given the title of King, it's likely that it's a reasonably prestigious place, but just isn't very powerful- the perfect family for the daughter of an outcast fils de France and his commoner wife to marry into. It also helps explain why marrying a commoner is so quickly accepted by the Royal Family. |
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| 150 | [[WMG: Mother Gothel is a pseudonym for the evil queen in WesternAnimation/{{Snow White|AndTheSevenDwarfs}}.]] |
| 151 | She's been alive for hundreds of years. |
| 152 | |
| 153 | Obviously, she turned into an old woman. She survived the fall from the cliff, which turned out to be the same cliff where the flower was. If you look closely at the beginning of the movie, you'll see a large, spherical rock just like the one that was supposed to have crushed her. That was how she survived! With a magical flower to worry about, she didn't need to worry about Snow White's beauty, hence the happy ending (or middle). |
| 154 | |
| 155 | The evil queen got distracted like that because she had something that made her more beautiful than Snow White. |
| 156 | * So she waited it out for a couple short decades before returning to the spotlight in a slightly different role? Nice choice. |
| 157 | * The Evil Queen's real name is apparently Grimhilde... well, both names start with a G. |
| 158 | * Both Snow White and Rapunzel are considered to be taking place in Germany, so it fits nicely geographically |
| 159 | * Both movies end with her falling off a high place at the end - in Snow White from a cliff (which she survived according to this theory) and in Rapunzel from the tower (though she was already turning into dust at that time because of the broken spell). |
| 160 | * This would also hugely elevate the significance of the mirror being broken at the end. |
| 161 | * And how apples are a recurring theme in Tangled. Rapunzel has a basket of apples (no other fruit, just apples - that's the only fruit we see in the movie) in her tower and Mother Gothel ''almost'' takes a bite out of one. Even Maximus is only seen eating / has a thing for apples, while stereotypically horses' favorite food is always carrots. When Flynn's narrating how the story ends and says "and all the apples disappeared", this can even be taken as a metaphor for "and evil disappeared" - the apple being the main instrument of Grimhilde/Gothel's evilness in Snow White. |
| 162 | * It also makes sense for other reasons, if one thinks about it. If they're the same person, Gothel wouldn't need to take out Snow White because time would do it for her. Snow White kept her mortality while Gothel didn't, she'd grow old and lose her beauty while she kept restoring her own and she'd outlive Snow White as well. It also puts an intresting spin on Gothel's kidnapping of Rapunzel, if you think about it. After the King and Queen died, Gothel could come forwards with the 'missing princess' and regain the power she once had as a queen through Rapunzel. After all, Gothel could claim that she found Rapunzel ''after'' she was kidnapped and hid it from her because she didn't know who her real family is and didn't want to hurt her. So this is actually a quite effective theory that works on many levels. |
| 163 | ** If this is true, it's very possible that Rapunzel is thus a descendant of Snow White, since Snow married a prince and presumably became queen. That could be one reason for her emotional abuse. |
| 164 | ** Also the reason Rapunzel can [[PrincessClassic naturally charm animals and people.]] |
| 165 | |
| 166 | [[WMG: Rapunzel used her healing powers on Flynn while he was unconscious.]] |
| 167 | Thus explaining how he was able to survive that "stuffed into the closet" montage and three concussions without brain damage or a broken neck. |
| 168 | ** Or Flynn DID his head hard and it wasn't healed by Rapunzel - but as they say, slaps on the backhead increase thinking abilities. Maybe all these hits set some cogs and screws right - right enough so the CharacterDevelopment triggered by Rapunzel could kick in. |
| 169 | ** Alternatively: the healing itself had a more profound effect on Flynn than just mending physical injuries. |
| 170 | *** Sufficient emotional stress, especially in childhood, leaves literal damage on the brain that has a permanent effect on the subject's emotions and behavior. It's more or less confirmed that young Eugene had a horrible childhood in some way other other (whatever happened he's very resistant to talking about it, even to Rapunzel who he has probably realised has been emotionally abused herself even if she's not worked it out yet)- either he was very unhappy in the orphanage and/or the circumstances of his being there were distressing- and Flynn's fairly amoral, detached character early in the film could have been developed as a direct result of damage to how he functions emotionally and socially (being detached from social norms and from bonding with others.) Perhaps the fact that Rapunzel changed all that is down to the way her magic 'heals what has been hurt' on a deeper level than either of them realise- it might not take obvious effect straight away but it puts him right enough to be capable of feeling things that he just couldn't before. |
| 171 | |
| 172 | [[WMG: The magic is still in Rapunzel, even though her hair is gone.]] |
| 173 | Her hair was only one possible source. The reason her tears didn't power the magic before was because she wasn't singing then - when she healed Flynn, she'd just finished singing the song. If she removed her tear ducts, the magic would still need to get out, so it would transfer to the next most available body part. |
| 174 | * The hair was never the source of her power, only the most obvious manifestation of it. |
| 175 | * Or perhaps, when channeled through the hair the magic was easier to use but less potent- sing a song and you can heal light wounds or temporarily restore youth- but when channeled through her tears it is strong enough to restore life but requires ThePowerOfLove to activate. |
| 176 | * Damn, you beat me to it. |
| 177 | * OTOH, the resurrection sequence does have something of a note of finality about it. It's more powerful and more elaborate than any previous invocation of the flower's magic (it brought someone back from the dead rather than just heal, after all), it recapitulated the flower's history, growing from a droplet of fluid, sprouting into a plant, flowering, then dissolving, finally disappearing into fading light. It certainly could be interpreted as the last manifestation of the magic on this earth, before returning to the sunlight from whence it came. |
| 178 | * Then again, if the magic channels itself into the nearest outlet, couldn't Rapunzel sing the song and then like... lick people? Because if it worked through her tears, it should work through her spit. AND, since the spit would be separated from her right away and still work (like the tear did) then in theory she could sell bottles of magical healing spit. Or like... other bodily fluids. Because hair is just excreted waste product... ok this is getting a little gross... [[spoiler:'''MAGICAL POOP''']] |
| 179 | ** Or, less disgustingly but also really only usable for some patients (not counting UnfortunateImplications), IntimateHealing. |
| 180 | * Borrowing from tropers on the Headscratchers page, I'm inclined to think that the teardrop was the very same liquid drop of sunlight that fell from the heavens to create the magic flower. Filtered through a human (or botanical) medium, its power is limited: healing wounds, curing illness, temporarily reversing age. In its raw form, however, it's capable of bringing people BackFromTheDead. Unfortunately, this means you can only use it once. Although the idea of Rapunzel singing and then licking people with glowing saliva is hilarious. |
| 181 | |
| 182 | [[WMG: The story takes place in Andalasia]] |
| 183 | The king and queen are [[Film/{{Enchanted}} Edward and Nancy]]. |
| 184 | * This is officially my personal canon. |
| 185 | * [[Blog/CartoonBrew Jerry Beck]] once said, "You know those scenes in the first 10 minutes from ''Enchanted''? Those are this film!" |
| 186 | |
| 187 | [[WMG:Whenever the healing magic is administered in liquid form, the recipient is given the healing power.]] |
| 188 | Originally, a drop of sunlight fell onto a flower, creating the healing power. Later, the broth made from the flower was fed to the pregnant queen, and Rapunzel became the vessel for the healing power. Which leads me to... |
| 189 | |
| 190 | [[WMG:Eugene now has Rapunzel's healing powers.]] |
| 191 | Whether he took them entirely, or they just share the power now, I'm not sure. But Rapunzel's teardrop was bursting with the sunlight magic, and Flynn absorbed it the way the flower did in the beginning. And maybe it was just the bright lights, but his hair looked ''very'' blond for a moment while he was healing... maybe it will start growing in blond. |
| 192 | |
| 193 | [[WMG: Rapunzel's hair doesn't grow once cut.]] |
| 194 | Or very, very slowly, which is way that one snippet of brown hair she has is not the same length as the rest of her hair, and [[spoiler: Rapunzel is going to have really short brown hair for the rest of her life, until it greys.]] |
| 195 | * Isn't that canon? |
| 196 | |
| 197 | [[WMG: Instead of Rapunzel being related indirectly to Belle and Prince Adam of ''WesternAnimation/BeautyAndTheBeast'', Eugene is.]] |
| 198 | The conclusions are fairly easy to draw in this case, Eugene has brown eyes (which really aren't that far off from hazel eyes) and he kind of looks like Belle in a masculine type of way, and he has her yearning for adventure and a pure heart beneath his persona of Flynn Rider. Maybe his father Herbert is a dissolute grandson or son of Princess Belle and Prince Adam, to keep this WMG intertwined with the HeroicBastard instance on the main title page. |
| 199 | |
| 200 | [[WMG: Rapunzel is immortal.]] |
| 201 | The healing powers of her tears are ''vastly'' more potent than that of her hair, and so by reason her tear glands alone would provide constant rejuvenation and an impressive healing factor even if none of her other bodily fluids or tissues have said properties. Consider if you will how little trouble she has running barefoot all day their first time she set foot outside of the tower. |
| 202 | * Even if you presume said tear was supercharged by ThePowerOfLove, the overall residual effects means that [=Princess/Queen=] Rapunzel will tend to heal quickly and age rather slowly. |
| 203 | * Would explain why she looks a lot younger than 18. |
| 204 | * [[Website/ChuckNorrisFacts Rapunzel's tears can cure cancer. Thankfully, she's compassionate.]] Unlike one certain MemeticBadass. |
| 205 | * This is the only way that Mother Gothel could be eternally young and beautiful. Think about it, if Flynn never came, if Rapunzel never made that journey to the kingdom, then she would have stayed in the tower for the rest of her life, presumably. Now, if Rapunzel was mortal, she would grow old and eventually die, and the youth-restoring power of her hair would die with her, as well as Mother Gothel. So, Rapunzel ''has'' to be immortal. I mean, the flower survived for hundreds of years... |
| 206 | * Alternately, Rapunzel is immortal until she has a child; then, like the flower's healing magic passed from her mother to her, it'll end up in her child. [[Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt Hopefully she won't start dying as soon as she had a child...]] |
| 207 | ** Probably would not be a problem unless she waits until she's chronologically several hundred years old before having said child. (Which as of the end of the movie, doesn't seem that likely). |
| 208 | ** More likely once she had the child she would then begin aging normally from that day on. |
| 209 | *** She ''could''. But if her child is a nice one, …I think said child would de-age her mother. And if this child has a child, then Rapunzel's grandson/granddaughter would de-age both his/her mother, his/her father, his/her grandmother and his/her grandfather. Because, do you really think that if you have the power fo giving eternal youth to people and that you are a nice person, you would let you mummy dying ? Hmmmmmm ? But I think they won't do it the same way as Mother Gothel wanted Rapunzel to do to her (instead of giving them the same age back everyday by using the spell everyday, they more likely would use it once a year…) |
| 210 | * In true WMG spirit, I therefore propose that Wolverine is her descendant. |
| 211 | * Alternately, she just ages really, ''really'' slowly and/or can use her hair to de-age herself as well. |
| 212 | |
| 213 | [[WMG: Eugene's death was a CensorDecoy.]] |
| 214 | They originally wanted to keep the love interest being blinded in the plot but assumed the {{Media Watchdog}}s would find it too graphic. So they changed it to having him stabbed, assuming they would be told ''that'' was too graphic, and they could "tone it down" to being blinded. This backfired, and the only thing they were ordered to do was to edit out all the blood that was originally on the knife. |
| 215 | |
| 216 | [[WMG: The real reason why Tangled was in CGI. . . ]] |
| 217 | . . . Was so that all of the {{Website/YouTube}}rs that make animated crossover couples wouldn't be able to pair Rapunzel with [[WesternAnimation/TreasurePlanet Jim]] [[LauncherOfAThousandShips Hawkins.]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lbCooLc1Xc Until around Januray 2011, it failed.]] |
| 218 | * Why Jim Hawkins? I'm mad that I can't ship her with WesternAnimation/{{Aladdin}}. |
| 219 | ** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkoAsKaMpEw Your wish has been granted.]] |
| 220 | By the same reasoning they also can't ship Flynn with every Disney Heroine ever. ''At the same time.'' |
| 221 | * Because let's face it, he's the sexiest Disney hero ever. |
| 222 | ** That's because he's got all the best parts of Aladdin and Prince Naveen rolled into one, all topped off with facial hair. ''Unf.'' |
| 223 | * Pfffft, if that's the case, Disney seriously underestimated {{Website/YouTube}}rs' crossover CrackPairing FanVid-editing abilities. |
| 224 | |
| 225 | [[WMG: The Tangle-Verse is an alternate history of TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}.]] |
| 226 | The golden sun from heaven was a Solar Exaltation, but it went astray and landed in a flower. Rapunzel is a Solar, probably a Zenith, judging from her royal background and the fact that she turns everyone to her cause (The thieves, the Horse, the people of the kingdom); Flynn is her Lunar Mate, definitely a Changing Moon caste from his survival and trickery background; and Gothel is a Sidereal Chosen of Secrets, hiding Rapunzel and manipulating everyone into helping her. The musical numbers are just specific expressions of Performance and Socialize in Social Combat. Plus, you know, the whole Sun motif of Rapunzel's kingdom. |
| 227 | * I originally had Flynn/Eugene pegged as a Night Caste, myself. And musical numbers as Social Combat? I gotta try that if I ever get into a game of Exalted... |
| 228 | * "Mother Knows Best" were Gothel's attempts at Villainous Monologue Rant and she was able to cause Rapunzel's faith in Flynn to fail so quickly with Invidious Rumours Campaign (thereby making her an Abyssal Exalt), while "I've Got A Dream" is Rapunzel making use of Husband-Seducing Demon Dance. Rapunzel knowing how to dance jigs and reels as well as not being [[NoSocialSkills socially retarded from having only ever met one person and a chameleon in her life]] can be put down to her Mastery of Small Manners and naturally high Performance. It's perfect! |
| 229 | * Ever since I read this WMG, I've been imagining the other Disney Princesses as Exalts... WesternAnimation/{{Mulan}} is obviously a Dawn Solar, and the bookish [[WesternAnimation/BeautyAndTheBeast Belle]] a Twilight Solar. |
| 230 | ** And [[WesternAnimation/TheLittleMermaid1989 Ariel]] is a Changing Moon Lunar, or possibly a beastperson, or a chimera... there's a lot of possibilities. |
| 231 | |
| 232 | [[WMG: Eugene writes self-insert Flynn Rider fanfics.]] |
| 233 | The entire movie was one of them. |
| 234 | * This actually ''makes sense''. We already know that Flynn is an UnreliableNarrator; assuming that he "played with the facts" while retelling the events would explain several of the plot holes and unexplained events in the story. |
| 235 | |
| 236 | [[WMG:It's the same goddamn horse.]] |
| 237 | There's a white horse in ''Sleeping Beauty''. There's a white horse in ''WesternAnimation/TheHunchbackOfNotreDameDisney''. There's a white horse in ''Mulan''. There's a white horse in ''Tangled''. Do they all look familiar? They all have the same design and the ''same personality''. There's an immortal, white horse who spends his time fucking around in fairy tales, and its most recent name is Maximus. |
| 238 | * Actually, if I recall correctly, the horse in Mulan was black and white. Although, it could still be the same horse, considering they did behave seriously alike. |
| 239 | ** ''Mulan's'' horse was black and white. Shang's was white, and actually more serious and important than Mulan's. |
| 240 | * He's an [[AnimatedActor actor under contract at Disney!]] |
| 241 | ** Well, he has done [[WesternAnimation/TheRoadToElDorado some work with Dreamworks...]] |
| 242 | ** [[Film/TheLoneRanger Hi ho Silver! Away!]] |
| 243 | * Sounds like [[Film/HistoryOfTheWorldPartI a Miracle]] to me. |
| 244 | ** [[Music/InsaneClownPosse Motherfucking Miracles everywhere, man!]] |
| 245 | * Alternatively, all these horses are descendants of [[WesternAnimation/{{Hercules}} Pegasus]]. |
| 246 | ** No, all these horses ''are'' Pegasus. Hear me out; he's immortal (presumably), so after Hercules died he begins to be hunted by humans for his wings. He goes to the gods and asks them to remove his wings so he can walk safely among mortals. Add some darker mane-dye and Pegasus becomes a regular, imortal horse. That's also the reason he trusted Rapunzel so quickly - he had lived among the gods before, and either knew about the magic drop of sunlight or recognized the power of the gods in the girl. |
| 247 | *** Hercules, semi-god, dying ? Did I hear that ? Impossible. |
| 248 | *** I thought he became mortal at the end of [[WesternAnimation/{{Hercules}} that movie]]. |
| 249 | * Said horse is a Time Lord. |
| 250 | |
| 251 | [[WMG: Maximus is in fact an [[Franchise/AssassinsCreed Assassin]].]] |
| 252 | Hence the white coat and the LeParkour. |
| 253 | |
| 254 | [[WMG: Maximus is [[WebVideo/DoctorHorriblesSingAlongBlog Bad Horse]].]] |
| 255 | Starting as the idealistic officer of the law, his naive outlook was abruptly broken when he befriended a thief and allowed him to prosper. In a fit of self-loathing and disillusionment, he swore to devote himself to the cause of evil from that day on. |
| 256 | * In fact, Flynn refers to Maximus as a "bad horse" at one point. He got his supervillain handle from the man who caused his supervillainy. |
| 257 | * But Bad Horse is brown. Did he dye his coat or did it change color like Rapunzel's hair? |
| 258 | ** Alternately, pairing this with the immortal Maximus theory above, Maximus and Bad Horse are eternal foes. They have been locked in combat since the beginning of time, fighting for the honor of ''Equus ferus caballus.'' Maximus represents law and order, the ultimate, objective ''good'' which all horses should strive for. Bad Horse... well, is the [[DiabolicalMastermind Thoroughbred of Sin.]] At Armageddon, after the Horsemen of the Apocalypse have ravaged the earth, Maximus and Bad Horse will fight hoof-to-hoof in their FinalBattle. |
| 259 | |
| 260 | [[WMG: Maximus is [[Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick Windstriker]].]] |
| 261 | Windstriker is closer to Miko in personality than originally apparent in OOTS, and after her fall and death, he became more obsessed with justice. Sent to the kingdom in the movie, he singled out Flynn as a proto-Belkar and was determined to nip that problem in the bud. After Flynn/Eugene fell in love with Rapunzel, Windstriker/Maximus realized his mistake and remembered how the rest of the OOTS weren't bad people, even if they weren't paladin-level good, and remembered why Miko fell. It also explains why he's so competent and intelligent; he used to be a paladin's celestial mount! |
| 262 | |
| 263 | [[WMG: Rapunzel's kingdom is right next door to [[Film/{{Stardust}} Stormhold]].]] |
| 264 | Diplomatic relations are ''really really easy'', because it took the respective princess and queen about five minutes to make friends over the shared experience of being chased around by an old witch who needed them to restore her youth. Apparently it's just a thing in that part of the world. |
| 265 | |
| 266 | [[WMG: Mother Gothel had another motive for keeping Rapunzel in the tower: love.]] |
| 267 | In her hundreds of years of life, not only did she try to use the flower to stay beautiful, but she also fell in love many times and tried to be her best for the suitors, but they all dumped her like that! *snap!* Not only that, but her long life guaranteed her to out-live some of them! She kept up an optimistic attitude for decades until it became apparent that no man in history would ever truly love her, and so, by the time the power was transferred to Rapunzel, looks were the only thing important to her, and she held onto the power as long as possible. This also explains how she was so quick to distrust Flynn. |
| 268 | -->''This is why he's here! Don't let him deceive you! Give it to him, watch! You'll see!'' |
| 269 | -->''Trust me my dear! That's how fast he'll leave you! I won't say I told you so!'' |
| 270 | * Hmm... fascinating AlternativeCharacterInterpretation for Gothel, it's very logical and within the context of the film, it makes a lot of sense. It also adds another new nuance to Gothel and Rapunzel's relationship: Gothel never wanted her to leave the tower - to meet a ''man'' - because she fears that her "adopted" daughter might find someone like Flynn/Eugene and have her heart broken like Gothel's might have been. |
| 271 | ** This is actually much closer to the original fairytale. Sounds like a good idea. Of course, her love is clearly grossly misguided, but then, it doesn't really look like she's ever had a chance to have someone who loves her back. Of course, she's still really in it for the hair and immortality; that's just a side effect. |
| 272 | ** OK, here is where I disagree with the whole "Gothel twuwy wuvs Rapunzel!" interpretation: Take everything Gothel did, kidnapping, psychologically torturing Rapunzel, keeping her locked up in a tower for 18 years and using her body for her own personal gain, making her fear every human who wasn't her and telling her if she leaves they both will die. [[DoubleStandard If Gothel was a]] [[TheUnfairSex MAN]] would this [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation alternate]] [[DracoInLeatherPants interpretation]] [[UnfortunateImplications even EXIST?]] |
| 273 | ** [[TakeThat Sadly]], [[Literature/{{Twilight}} yes]]. |
| 274 | ** That's a really great idea, and in general I agree, except you're assuming that a male Goethel would be sexually abusive and not ''making her sing to activate her magic hair'', just because he'd be male, so way to call the kettle black, pot. Men are entirely capable of being emotionally abusive without also being rapists, y'know. |
| 275 | ** Also, consider the situation where ''both'' Gothel and Rapunzel were male characters. One can easily imagine this particular interpretation existing in that case. |
| 276 | ** Nope, but it ''does'' raise another AlternateCharacterInterpretation that [[LesYay I was hoping nobody would bring up]]... By the way, Rapunzel's deal about how we'll be together forever, just like you want, if you let me save him, invokes the ScarpiaUltimatum. Thus, killing Flynn was a XanatosGambit by Gothel to get Rapunzel to do such a thing because dragging her around the world in chains for eternity would have been very tedious, but at the very least Flynn wouldn't be around to make it worse. |
| 277 | *** You mean it was a BatmanGambit, as she died and Flynn survived, it made Gothel look like a fool. |
| 278 | *** Flyn [[TakeAThirdOption took a third option]] that neither of them considered. |
| 279 | * I think Gothel does love Rapunzel, but it's not motherly love (though Gothel may have deluded herself into thinking it is). It's the same kind of detached love a spoiled child (or adult) might show a family pet. She wants Rapunzel to be happy, but only under Gothel's terms, and at Gothel's convenience. |
| 280 | ** She actually calls Rapunzel "pet" in her villain song. And all those things in the tower she's presumably given Rapunzel over the years to keep her occupied (the paints, books, etc)? That's ''enrichment'' - like brightly colored hamster balls, for example - which people give to caged pets. |
| 281 | ** The three books Rapunzel gets to read (over and over) are about botany, geology, and cooking. Things that can be broken down into small, easily controlled bits--a potted plant, a pretty rock, some new ingredients--and doled out to Rapunzel as Gothel sees fit. She has apparently rotated other books in and out of the lineup, because Rapunzel knows enough astronomy to have charted the tiny slice of sky visible from her tower and enough mathematics to have named her animal friend Pascal. Again, things that can be doled out in small measure without ever letting Rapunzel leave the tower. Enrichment. |
| 282 | * The very fact that Gothel kept Rapunzel in the tower for eighteen years rather than reconsidering her actions and returning her to her rightful family suggests that if Gothel ''did'' love Rapunzel (and let's face it, considering the emotional abuse Gothel piled onto Rapunzel on top of this, that's a pretty big 'if'), then it's a very unhealthy, controlling and selfish form of love. Let's not forget that whether Gothel loved Rapunzel or not, she wasn't Rapunzel's mother and so had no right either to keep her or expect her affections in return; certainly, the manner in which she expressed said 'love' certainly doesn't excuse or redeem her actions. Love isn't always a good or healthy thing. |
| 283 | ** Everything that you say is absolutely right, but, you say that Gothel "wasn't Rapunzel's mother and so had no right" to Rapunzel's custody or affections. Please allow me to introduce you to HappilyAdopted. It happens. Just not in this movie. |
| 284 | *** Absolutely true, but where did anything in the above comment suggest that adoptive mothers have less right to be considered mothers than birth mothers, as you seem to be implying? If I'd had said 'Gothel is not Rapunzel's ''birth'' mother' or something similar you'd have a point, but I didn't say anything like that. I didn't even ''mention'' adoption, and the fact is that adoption's got nothing to do with this; Gothel ''kidnapped'' Rapunzel. She's not Rapunzel's (rightful) mother under ''any'' circumstances, birth, adoptive or otherwise, and so has no right ''at all'' to consider herself or expect Rapunzel to treat her as such. Adoption, [[HappilyAdopted happy]] or otherwise, has nothing to do with any of this. |
| 285 | * I think the best way to look at this would be to transfer it to modern times (sadly, not hard). Imagine a woman who kidnaps a girl and keeps her locked in the basement. Yes, she raises her and takes care of her (feeds her, clothes her), but she also spends most of her time emotionally abusing her. Would you say that this woman loves this girl? Or would you say she's disturbed and selfish? |
| 286 | * I would say that she was disturbed and selfish, and in definite need of therapy...but also that, from her perspective, she believes that she loves the girl, even if it is a very twisted and unhealthy form of love. More likely, it's a desire to be needed manifesting through behaviour anyone would describe as deranged. |
| 287 | ** Now imagine the woman obtains some rare and valuable resource from the girl...perhaps a very unusual body chemistry that makes small blood samples from her worth ''really'' big bucks to pharmaceutical companies. It doesn't do the girl any lasting hurt to take the samples, but the woman did, indeed, know about the resource before she kidnapped the child, and takes pains to make certain no one else knows about the girl and to scare the girl from ever leaving. ''Now'' would you believe the woman acted from deranged need...or from a knowing and practical desire to control the resource she benefits from? |
| 288 | |
| 289 | * Another thought experiment: Imagine Mother Gothel being pretty much the same character, still a woman, doing and saying all the same things, acting and sounding ''exactly'' the way she does throughout the movie...but imagine her being as fat as Ursula. ...Something tells me that 99% of her apologists would vanish like snow in the tropics. |
| 290 | * Disney appears to have done everything possible to make Gothel have no legitimate claim on Rapunzel. They changed the story from deal to kidnapping and the flower's taking from clear theft to the father having no possible way of knowing the flower was claimed. They made Gothel emotionally abusive, manipulative, and controlling. Still, people sympathize with her. *sigh* |
| 291 | |
| 292 | [[WMG: On the day of the lanterns there is amnesty to everyone inside the cities' bounds...]] |
| 293 | ...As long as they don't try to pull anything during the festival itself. Hence why a known thief could stroll through the town without any worries. From dawn until the lanterns are down floating away he cannot be arrested unless he tried to steal/kill/rape etc. during the day itself. Granted there are probably some rules concerning people who hurt other people (kill/attack/rape etc.) but a "mere" thief would have no worries until the lanterns were gone. |
| 294 | * A good theory, although it's worth noting that Flynn did take the trouble throughout the day to make sure no guards noticed him. |
| 295 | ** He probably doesn't know about the amnesty thing and was taking risks. |
| 296 | |
| 297 | [[WMG: Upon the return of his daughter, the King issued a general pardon to criminals in the kingdom.]] |
| 298 | Related to the above; this explains why a convicted criminal who was sentenced to be executed gets the chance to woo the King's daughter and the (for all their HiddenDepths presumably) criminal patrons of the Snuggly Duckling get the chance to pursue their dreams of becoming concert pianists and falling in love and... [[EveryoneHatesMimes being mimes]], and generally are allowed to mingle with the rest of the kingdom afterwards; their respective slates were wiped clean. Upon being given a second chance to have a daughter and a family, the King was inspired to generally pay it forward and offer a second chance to those who needed one (with, presumably, a few particularly serious or heinous exceptions being excluded from the general amnesty). |
| 299 | * Another possibility was ThePardon was issued for saving the prince consort and so, indirectly, the princess. |
| 300 | |
| 301 | [[WMG: The "sunlight drop" is actually the blood of a deity (not necessarily a solar one).]] |
| 302 | In classical mythology, the blood of the gods was a golden liquid with similar properties to the ones depicted. Ence, probably a god got killed or something at the beginning and one of the drops fell on a random flower. |
| 303 | |
| 304 | [[WMG: The "sunlight drop" was actually the physical representation of a gift of [[TheWorldofSkaraBrae Pelor]].]] |
| 305 | And was aimed from the skies to make a queen feel better and create an incarnation of Pelor himself. |
| 306 | |
| 307 | [[WMG: As far as light magic goes, the one depicted is quite weak.]] |
| 308 | Yellow is actually quite low on the light spectrum; the drop in the movie would most likely be crap when compared to a blue or violet sunlight drop, which are higher on the light spectrum (blue fire is hotter than yellow fire, after all). |
| 309 | ** The Sundrop is physically fragile, can't regenerate, and conducts magic rather poorly. This is brilliant! |
| 310 | |
| 311 | [[WMG: Borrowing from the above Troper's WMG, other colors would have stronger or weaker powers.]] |
| 312 | Since yellow light can bring the dead back to life properly, red light would only sort of do this. Ergo, [[ZombieApocalypse zombies]]. |
| 313 | |
| 314 | [[WMG: Also Borrowing from the above troper, there are other Sun Flowers around the kingdom.]] |
| 315 | It's just that no one recognises them because the sun is yellow, so a flower from the sun could only be yellow. Not so. On the day the yellow sun drop fell, many other drops of sun fell too, far enough apart to not be noticed, in all different colours. Now they grow all around the place, hidden in plain sight. OR the drops could have landed on other plants, making Sun Trees and Sun Patches of Grass. Awesome if the drop that hit grass was green, because then no one would be able to find it. |
| 316 | |
| 317 | [[WMG:Eugene Fitzherbert=[[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood Ezio Auditore]] ]]. |
| 318 | Ezio got tired of [[VideogameCrueltyPotential sneaking up behind guys and ramming hidden blades through their throats]] and decided to go on a vacation to another kingdom. So he dropped his Italian accent and got a different name. You can tell who he is because A) He has significant LeParkour skills B) He is a LoveableRogue and a womanizer C) Even in this movie, he still has to fight or avoid guards who wear red D) When he and Rapunzel make it to the kingdom, he actually tears down a poster to reduce his NOTORIETY. Presumably, most of the people in that kingdom could actually read, which explains the lack of heralds that would need to be bribed. Also, he didn't feel like shanking officials and dropping their remains into haystacks or wells. |
| 319 | ** Alternatively, Eugene could be one of Ezio's [[ReallyGetsAround many, many, MANY]] bastard sons he's produced due to a life of sexual promiscuity. |
| 320 | |
| 321 | -While not necessarily BEING Ezio, Flynn's design is most likely based on him. According to the special features on the DVD, the animators hosted a "hot man meeting" to finalize Flynn's character design around the time production began, and invited several female employees to give input. Now, a room full of nerdy, female Disney employees basically dictated how Flynn would look. I wonder what game had just been released and they were probably all playing at the time? Assassin's Creed II. This is based on an estimate that animation began in 2009, however the full production fits within the time frames of Assassin's Creed I and Prince of Persia, both featuring protagonists that Flynn shares a plethora of characteristics with. If it weren't for Ubisoft and their fangirls, we wouldn't have the current Flynn Rider! |
| 322 | |
| 323 | [[WMG: Related to the above theory that the magic's still in Rapunzel...]] |
| 324 | Just because her hair doesn't light up, her tears did heal him a damn sight better than the hair probably could had. This means that the power which was there from birth is internal. Her blood could probably heal people too! Now, before anyone thinks "oooh tasty vampire snack" remember that the flower is the embodiment of solar magic. Her blood would probably taste divine but be as lethal to vamps. |
| 325 | ** [[Comicbook/{{Runaways}} Whedon got it wrong.]] |
| 326 | ** I think this is confirmed and a message of the film--the power was in her heart the whole time. |
| 327 | |
| 328 | [[WMG: "Flynn Rider" is that world's equivalent to "[[Film/ThePrincessBride The Dread Pirate Roberts]]".]] |
| 329 | The name is a legacy name, going down through the generations. Unlike the DPR's name, though, "Flynn Rider" isn't necessarily ''given'' to people, it just has a habit of being picked up. Granted, there was a real Flynn Rider once upon a time, but that was a long time ago- long enough that the collected stories of ''all'' the Flynn Riders are legends and stories. |
| 330 | |
| 331 | On this note, further {{wmg}}ing is required, and thus I posit that Eugene's ''real'' father was one of the men who picked up the Flynn Rider persona. Using this persona, he seduced a woman, and she bore his son without telling him about it, instead placing the son in an orphanage, and donating a copy of a Flynn Rider book to said orphanage so her son would be able to read about "his" father when he grew up. Because it was 'his' book of sorts, Eugene grew up reading it, and when it was time to reinvent himself, he inadvertently named himself after his father[[note]]Or rather, his father's pseudonym, but hey, this is Creator/{{Disney}}[[/note]]. |
| 332 | |
| 333 | [[WMG: Flynn is the ''VideoGame/PrinceOfPersia''.]] |
| 334 | Transported to the future after messing with the dagger a few too many times. Because seriously, look at that resemblance! And the climbing! |
| 335 | ** He certainly has the sarcasm down. |
| 336 | |
| 337 | [[WMG: Alternatively, Flynn is [[VideoGame/{{Uncharted}} Nathan Drake's]] ancestor.]] |
| 338 | For much the same reasons. |
| 339 | |
| 340 | [[WMG: Rapunzel's hair doesn't lose its healing power when cut.]] |
| 341 | It just stops glowing. Nobody ever ''tried'' to use the healing power with her cut hair, at least not while singing the whole song; note that Gothel stops singing as soon as the hair changes colour. |
| 342 | * [[spoiler:[[{{Jossed}} Rapunzel]] [[{{Tearjerker}} did]].]] |
| 343 | ** But... it only didn't work because she sang half the song? |
| 344 | *** She only sung the first two lines of the song when she and Flynn were stuck in that cave, and her hair still lit up. |
| 345 | ** If the hair didn't lose its healing power, why did Gothel crumble to dust? |
| 346 | [[WMG: One of Rapunzel's descendants is [[WesternAnimation/ThePrincessAndTheFrog Mama Odie]].]] |
| 347 | Because light magic. |
| 348 | * WRONG! WesternAnimation/ThePrincessAndTheFrog happens in 1926, while Tangled takes place in the 1780's according to WordOfGod. |
| 349 | ** Mama Odie is 100+ years old and could've easily be descended from Rapunzel if the time's the concern. |
| 350 | *** Mama Odie claims to be "a 197 year old blind lady", meaning that she would have been born in 1729. |
| 351 | |
| 352 | [[WMG: Rapunzel's healing powers change depending on what part of the song is emphasized.]] |
| 353 | They either can be used to bring back something lost (like beauty) or heal wounds depending on which line of the song is stressed. |
| 354 | * Note that whenever Gothel sings the song, she doesn't even sing the "heal what has been hurt" bit. |
| 355 | ** And this could also be a possible explanation for [[NoOntologicalInertia what happens to her in the end]]. She's actually been ''abusing'' the flower's powers all those centuries, by using it to extend life rather than heal. Note that Flynn's injured left hand did not reopen after [[spoiler: the hair was cut.]] |
| 356 | *** And the queen didn't die. But, no one sang anything when the queen was healed, she just drank magic flower tea. Does that mean that eating Rapunzel's hair would heal you just as well? |
| 357 | |
| 358 | [[WMG: Maximus is descended from/''is'' one of [[Film/ThePrincessBride Prince Humperdinck's]] white horses.]] |
| 359 | * Think about it. |
| 360 | |
| 361 | [[WMG: Maximus deliberately [[AllAnimalsAreDogs acts like a dog]] sometimes and a human others, because he wants to excel at everything.]] |
| 362 | He doesn't just want to outdo the other horses, but the hunting dogs and the soldiers as well. Why did the royal guards not bring hounds to help sniff out Flynn Rider? Because all the hounds had already been put out of a job by Maximus! |
| 363 | |
| 364 | [[WMG: The flower was the work of [[WMG/FriendsAndTheHighCouncilTheHighCouncil the High Council]] as was the rest of the movie]] |
| 365 | * [[WMG/FriendsAndTheHighCouncil Zeus]] knew that the queen was going to be sick,so he sent the drop of sunlight and made it turn into a flower,and sent Mother Gothel to take care of it. He just wasn't planning on her becoming greedy and wanting it for herself,so when the queen eventually did get sick and mother Gothel tried to hide the flower from the searchers,the High Council knocked over the bush that was hiding it allowing the search party to find it. Years later they led Flynn/Eugene to the tower,they were the reason Rapunzel remembered everything, how Maximus assembled the thugs from the snuggly duckling and they gave Eugene that last bit of strength to [[spoiler: cut off Rapunzel's hair]] in the climax. |
| 366 | ** Even better: Pascal was Zeus's special agent in that kingdom, sent to Rapunzel at a young age to be her confidant and constant guardian as well as giving the occasional prod to leave the tower. That's why everyone respected him so well, especially Maximus. Zeus's men are well known, and seeing Pascal the stare master calmed him down in his 3rd confrontation with Flynn. |
| 367 | |
| 368 | [[WMG: Gothel's relationship to Rapunzel]] |
| 369 | She actually does love Rapunzel but not in the way that most people would love another. In fact she loves Rapunzel in the same way she loved her flower, as her closest companion. She is shown to pamper and protect the flower as if it was her own daughter, and when it was stolen from her she was devastated. When she learned that they had destroyed her only friend to save the queen she began to despise the kingdom. And she then takes Rapunzel as her new flower, which she loves just as strong. Her motivation during the movie is never to hurt or imprison Rapunzel, but to protect her from those who had destroyed the only other thing she loved. She really does want to keep her safe and away from the evils of the outside world, something she couldn't do for her precious flower. |
| 370 | |
| 371 | [[WMG: The King is in fact the Burger King.]] |
| 372 | Come on, don't tell me I'm the only one who sees the resemblance. |
| 373 | |
| 374 | [[WMG: Maximus isn't really a horse.]] |
| 375 | Maximus is really a human, the reason he's a horse in the movie is just Flynn being an UnreliableNarrator to have a little laugh at Max's expense. |
| 376 | * Wouldn't it make more sense if he was really a dog? Just look at his behavior! |
| 377 | |
| 378 | [[WMG: Time passes differently in the Tangled universe.]] |
| 379 | Most likely, quite possibly six months or so pass in the course of a "day". This explains the use of a ThreeMonthOldNewborn and FourthDateMarriage: The well-paced character and relationship development is reasonable in Tangled's world despite taking place in a day or a couple of days. |
| 380 | * How is this a FourthDateMarriage? The movie explicitly states they got married YEARS later. |
| 381 | ** In ''Tangled Ever After'' it doesn't look like it. Actually, since Rapunzel's hair not only hasn't grown, but they didn't even fixed her haircut, it looks like has passed days, if not hours. After all, Flynn is an UnreliableNarrator, remember? |
| 382 | *** But doesn't her hair just not grow after it's been cut? She had that one tiny lock of brown hair hidden by all the magic blonde hair before Flynn cut it and I remember her saying that it doesn't grow. As for the not fixing it, it doesn't look bad, so maybe she decided it had character or she decided to keep it like that as a reminder for how Flynn saved her or a little bit of both. Also, I know they're royalty, but there's no way they organized and executed such a huge wedding, got the wedding party event-appropriate clothes and got all those guests to show up in just ''hours''. Besides, if I had just gotten back my long-lost daughter, no way in hell would I let her get married to a known thief just hours (or even days) later, much less throw such a lavish wedding. |
| 383 | *** The kids who braided Rapunzel's hair in the kingdom dance were still kids in the wedding. That's the concrete proof the wedding takes place pretty soon after the movie. |
| 384 | |
| 385 | [[WMG: The entire movie is Flynn reading the storybook of his and Rapunzel's adventure to the current orphans of the orphanage he used to live in.]] |
| 386 | Rapunzel illustrated their story and helped Flynn with some of the establishing details (like the magic flower in the beginning and Rapunzel seeing the lights as a little girl). |
| 387 | Flynn always used to read to the younger kids, after all. His narration (obviously) is geared toward kids, especially the happily ever after ending. |
| 388 | * Rapunzel, who has been, up until that point, holding up her illustrations, finally cuts in at the end. |
| 389 | ** That's [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments adorable]], I demand fanart. |
| 390 | * And then they adopt an orphan, given Flynn's past and (possibly) fears that Rapunzel will fall ill while pregnant, as her mother did. |
| 391 | * It also explains this bit at the beginning: |
| 392 | -->'''Flynn''': ''[Gravely]'' This... is the story of how I died.\ |
| 393 | ''[Sad, frightened and confused looks from the kids]''\ |
| 394 | '''Flynn''': ''['Hasty backtracking']'' Don't worry! It's actually quite a fun story! |
| 395 | |
| 396 | [[WMG: Similar to the above, but Flynn is relating the story to his and Rapunzel's own kids]] |
| 397 | Essentially, this is the Franchise/DisneyPrincess equivalent of ''Series/HowIMetYourMother''. |
| 398 | |
| 399 | [[WMG: Rapunzel's children will all be blondies.]] |
| 400 | Perhaps not with magical blonde hair, because power becomes less and less as it is distilled, but even still, maybe they could I dunno, heal the fireflies they accidentally squish. then when they get haircuts they become brunettes just like their mother. This also means that- |
| 401 | |
| 402 | [[WMG: The magic of the flower is infused in Rapunzel's DNA.]] |
| 403 | Think about it! She was unborn at the time her mother drank the tea made form the flower, So it could have latched on to her not quite formed DNA; kinda like spiderman, but with RuleOfDisney. |
| 404 | * The DNA is fully formed when the sperm cell fertilizes an ovum. |
| 405 | |
| 406 | [[WMG: The Barbie version of Rapunzel influenced Tangled.]] |
| 407 | I am not trying to troll, or promote Barbie, but there are quite a few similarities with both film versions. |
| 408 | * Rapunzel is portrayed as a painter in both versions, and it even serves as a plot point in both films. |
| 409 | * The costumes. In both films, the heroine generally wears a simple pink frock, and later replaces it with a regal lavender dress. Flynn's costume also resembles the prince's outfit in the Barbie version. |
| 410 | * Both films have a reptile for a sidekick (chameleon/dragon) |
| 411 | * Both films have Rapunzel be a princess by birth; she is a peasant girl in the traditional story. |
| 412 | * Both films are produced in 3-D animation. |
| 413 | * A festival/ball serves an important role in both stories. |
| 414 | ** Hmmm, good points! And all very interesting too, because I've been wanting to put on the [[ShoutOut Shoutouts]] page for WesternAnimation/{{Tangled}} that an artistic Rapunzel is reminiscent of the Barbie version, since it was commented about on [=IMDB=] at the forums. And those similarities are quite obvious when you think about it. Barbie and Disney, who knew, right? ^^ |
| 415 | ** I support this WMG. Also: both are blonde and get haircuts by the end of the movie, and there's a snarky white mammal who helps Rapunzel (rabbit & horse). Plus the importance of honesty and keeping promises are critical to the movies' climaxes. |
| 416 | |
| 417 | [[WMG: The Sun is Rapunzel's Second Father,]] |
| 418 | First we must assume that the drop of the Sun came to earth on purpose, primarily because otherwise it means that there are solar tears flying all over the place, and with so many going around all sorts of weird stuff would happen. Like flowers on Mars. But I digress. |
| 419 | |
| 420 | Second, if it was on purpose, then there has to be a reason it was sent, which implies that the Sun actually is a conscious being(not too far out in a Disney movie). Furthermore this implies that the Sun cares about what happens on the earth. When Rapunzel is born, she essentially has a second daddy! |
| 421 | |
| 422 | This leads us onwards to... |
| 423 | * This is a good theory, but one drop falling un-purposefully doesn't mean that more than one drop would necessarily fall. The amount of drops has nothing to do with the purpose (or lack thereof) behind them, so there is no need to mention the possible amount of drops. |
| 424 | ** There are ''lots'' of solar tears flying all over the place. It's just that most of them hit Mercury and Venus rather than the Earth. And most of the ones that reach Terra fall into the sea. |
| 425 | |
| 426 | [[WMG: The Sun is a PhysicalGod.]] |
| 427 | Comparing the size differential between the sun and the drop of sun, the sun has the power to resurrect quintillions of humans without ever running dry. Furthermore, the presence of physical gods like this implies a far vaster universe than what was shown in the Tangled universe. One thing that springs to mind, for example, is the sickness of Rapunzel's mother. In a normal disney movie it might just be coincidence, but in a world where physical gods battle over the earth? I think not! It's clearly a plot by the Sun's polar opposite, the anthropomorphic personification of the Void, which also tends to represent sickness. Oddly enough this sickness attempted to strike when she was pregnant, and we all know that pregnant women have contractual plot immunity, so she couldn't have died until her daughter was born, meaning... |
| 428 | * There could actually be evidence for this according to the WordOfGod explanation for Elsa's powers in ''WesternAnimation/{{Frozen|2013}}'': being born a millennium after the previous ice-wielder, and during an alignment of Saturn (which has a moon entirely of ice). Maybe in fact ''all'' the celestial bodies in the solar system of the ''Frozen/Tangled''-verse are [[PhysicalGod Physical Gods]]? |
| 429 | |
| 430 | [[WMG: Rapunzel was meant to be the Anti-Christ.]] |
| 431 | Clearly the Void intended her mother to die, and the powers of sickness and despair to be transferred to her harmless daughter. How would YOU grow up if your hair had the ability to kill anything it touched? Plus the whole 'corrupted by evil' thing. In addition, the King quickly would have fallen into despair, since its shown that only the queen keeps him from it in the movie. Eventually the now evil father and daughter duo would go to war and invade the world. |
| 432 | |
| 433 | BUT! |
| 434 | |
| 435 | [[WMG: Rapunzel's Hair was a single move in the Sun's ancient {{plan}} to save the world.]] |
| 436 | A long time ago, the Void must have convinced or tricked the Sun into only using tiny forces to influence the world. Therefore, the Sun was what ended up dragging Flynn and Rapunzel together, culminating in the loss of her hair and the ultimate loss of her possibly evil influence. Either that or the Sun just enjoys its little games. |
| 437 | |
| 438 | Either way, with Rapunzel out of the picture, they're free to start up another game, either in this kingdom or somewhere else. The cycle will repeat again... |
| 439 | |
| 440 | [[WMG: Maximus is a Companion.]] |
| 441 | A completely white horse of human intelligence, defending his kingdom against those he considers a threat, and capable of physical feats that no ordinary horse could possibly accomplish. The only thing that dissuades him from his unrelenting pursuit is a idealistic, pure-of-heart young person who Maximus decides is worthy of his help. (Note that it is not unheard of for a Companion to pretend to be a horse in order to accomplish a goal--Kantor did just that to get to his intended Chosen--so Maximus's working as a guard's horse at the beginning was just him biding his time until he could accomplish his goals.) |
| 442 | |
| 443 | The question is: did Maximus Choose Rapunzel, Flynn, or is he still waiting for another Chosen? He became "tame" for Rapunzel, but it was Flynn that he was pursuing the entire movie, and Flynn who he directly came to rescue when both were in trouble. Regardless of which one he Chose, this would help explain how Rapunzel was so readily accepted as the lost princess and how Flynn's crimes were completely forgotten--a Companion vouching for them would go a long way. |
| 444 | |
| 445 | [[WMG: The Queen knew Rapunzel was still alive all along.]] |
| 446 | Generally, mothers have a bond with their children like no other kind. It's how they know their children as well as they do. In this case, Rapunzel and the Queen didn't have a great deal of time to bond and know each other outside of the womb, but the link is still there in some small little form. This is why the Queen was able to keep hold of her hope that Rapunzel would eventually come back, she knew deep down her daughter was out there somewhere. |
| 447 | |
| 448 | [[WMG: Pascal and Maximus both used to be human.]] |
| 449 | They both have very high levels of intelligence for animals. Maximus seems to listen mostly to Pascal, if you look, you can see that he backs off from Flynn when Pascal catches him, and when Pascal makes the same gesture as Rapunzel. Finally, Mother Gothel doesn't know about Pascal, so he couldn't have been a gift from her. Corona appears to be in a climate similiar to Germany. WHERE DID RAPUNZEL MANAGE TO GET A CHAMELEON?! |
| 450 | * In the Snuggly Duckling, we see a man cooking a pot of chameleons, and in the beginning, we see a chameleon on the mobile above Rapunzel's crib, implying that chameleons could be common in the area. |
| 451 | |
| 452 | [[WMG: Maximus is a [[Manga/DeathNote Shinigami]].]] |
| 453 | And if he doesn't have a constant supply of apples he twists himself into a pretzel. |
| 454 | |
| 455 | [[WMG: Flynn used to be a hairdresser.]] |
| 456 | How else was he able to cut Rapunzel's hair into such a perfect bob using just a shard of mirror? Alternately, he discovered his natural ability after this event, and decided to open his own salon. |
| 457 | |
| 458 | [[WMG: Rapunzel's hair will never grey.]] |
| 459 | [[spoiler: The bit of short, brown hair is still just as brown as the rest of her hair turns. Since it doesn't grow, it won't start growing out low- and no-melanin strands. Since it doesn't seem to fade, she won't turn grey.]] |
| 460 | |
| 461 | [[WMG: [[Manga/{{Bleach}} Orihime]] is Rapunzel's [[SeparatedAtBirth long lost twin]].]] |
| 462 | Long hair? Check. Naivety? Check. Healing powers? Check; Rapunzel's powers are the same as Orihime's reality rejection powers, judging by the healing song's lyrics ("Change the fates' design / Bring back what once was mine"). |
| 463 | |
| 464 | [[WMG: Rapunzel's tears aren't magic.]] |
| 465 | ...her eyelashes are. When she cried, the tear ran through her eyelashes, which, of course, are made of HAIR, and that's where her healing magic came from. All her hair is magic, not just her head hair. [[spoiler: Yes, even... [[{{Squick}} 'that']] hair ]] |
| 466 | * Even [[spoiler: 'that' hair]], you say? Does it also mean that her [[spoiler: menstrual blood and piss]] also become magic in "process"? Also, why do I even think about that? |
| 467 | ** Well, you could tell whether [[spoiler: ''that'' hair is/was magical too by whether the carpet matched/s the curtains (blonde or brunette).]] [[{{Squick}} But let's just not go there for an animated character]]. |
| 468 | ** LOL probably not the pee and blood part I guess. It would cause some logistical problems of her never being able to actually have her period because her hair would heal her bleeding. |
| 469 | *** LOL no way, the flower only "'''heals what has been hurt''" and menstruation is the healthy norm for any woman at least between 16-45 years old. Only NOT menstruating at that age is a sign something's wrong physically and needs to be healed, and would activate the flower. |
| 470 | ** On second thought, Rapunzel's hair is NOT magic unless she's singing her song (the tear came out right after she sang a verse) so unless she was singing on the toilet, that problem wouldn't arise. This is a very gross WMG |
| 471 | ** On a related note, if this were true, that would also mean Rapunzel would never have to worry about whether she would have the same problems during pregnancy as her mother did, because she could never get pregnant. (No period=no ability to have children.) Thus leading to the idea of her and Flynn adopting orphans raised above. (Or would she perpetually be able to have children, because the no menstruation would mean her eggs would never die and her womb lining would never deteriorate?) |
| 472 | ** ...Can I run for brain bleach now? |
| 473 | |
| 474 | [[WMG:Eugene has depression.]] |
| 475 | In the first half of Tangled, Eugene is a Stepford Smiler and cynical of Rapunzel's optimism and belief. A positive facade and disbelief in positivity are known signs of depression. After the campfire scene, he drops the Stepford Smile and becomes sincere, but also sadder. Finally, there is his sacrifice for Rapunzel. This seems like a mistake until one considers that he would face hanging or continue a lonely existence if Rapunzel saved him. He chose to kill himself through Gothel and die next to Rapunzel. When Rapunzel revived and kissed him, he rediscovered the worth of life. In his narration after the story proper, he is cheery, but not in the forced, false way he was in the beginning, as he is now controlling his mental illness. |
| 476 | |
| 477 | |
| 478 | [[WMG: Flynn is somehow related to [[Series/{{Torchwood}} Jack Harkness]].]] |
| 479 | ...it's a WMG. |
| 480 | |
| 481 | * I see your WMG, and raise you one. Jack is descended from Flynn and Rapunzel, and somehow, as stated above, also Miguel and Tulio. Because it's a WMG and I said so. |
| 482 | |
| 483 | * Alternatively, Flynn Rider IS Jack Harkness. When he travelled back in time, he had some adventures while waiting for the Doctor. What's to say this wasn't one of them? |
| 484 | |
| 485 | [[WMG: Rapunzel's hair will grow back without the magic in her hair.]] |
| 486 | Hair doesn't stop growing in real life and I distinctly remember that she never said that it wouldn't grow back just that once it's cut it loses its magic. |
| 487 | * There was that one piece of hair she showed to Flynn during her explanation that was really short, though. Maybe it's possible that it does grow, only ''super''-slowly? |
| 488 | ** Maybe she trims it on occasion so it doesn't stand out against the rest of her hair? |
| 489 | * when you cut a flower, does it change to a dead color right away? also, seeing as Brown is Rapunzel's NATURAL hair color, it would make sense that without magic everything else about it would be natural as well. |
| 490 | * I doubt that the brown lock of hair could have been able to grow very much considering how much growth went into the golden hair. |
| 491 | |
| 492 | [[WMG: Max is somehow related to [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic Princess Celestia]].]] |
| 493 | It would explain his awesomeness. He's just under the guise of a normal horse. He has magical powers, but he hasn't used them (on-screen) yet because he hasn't needed to. |
| 494 | * Now how did we get MyLitlePony involved in this guess? |
| 495 | ** WMG, of course. |
| 496 | * A horse jumping from a rooftop to the ground and not breaking all four legs ''isn't'' magic? |
| 497 | |
| 498 | [[WMG: The tiny unicorn in the prison is a deliberate ShoutOut to Film/BladeRunner.]] |
| 499 | * Film/BladeRunner: protagonist finds tiny origami unicorn and realizes that this changes everything. |
| 500 | * WesternAnimation/{{Tangled}}: protagonist finds tiny ceramic unicorn and realizes that this changes everything. |
| 501 | |
| 502 | [[WMG: Flynn is a descendant of [[Series/{{Chuck}} Chuck Bartowski]].]] |
| 503 | * Given the fact that they're both played by the same guy, and seems that Flynn's got some of Chuck's familiar mannerisms down, it's a likelihood that the Bartowski lineage has some sort of notoriety in it. |
| 504 | ** But Chuck's in the present day. Surely, it's the other way around. |
| 505 | |
| 506 | [[WMG: Forte and Mother Gothel were lovers.]] |
| 507 | * Forte is a ManipulativeBastard and maybe before the spell was put on the Beast's castle, Gothel visited there and gave Forte some pointers on psychological manipulation. |
| 508 | |
| 509 | [[WMG: The magic works like a drug, becoming less effective and more addictive with each use.]] |
| 510 | * When Mother Gothel first used the healing flower, she probably got an entire lifetime of life out of it. Of course, being so vain, she probably used it again the moment she saw a gray hair or a wrinkle, wasting all those extra years she would have gotten before needing to use it again. She kept using it over and over for centuries, developing more and more of a tolerance to it (and dependence on it) until by the point of the movie, she can only go a couple hours before she ages from her 20's to her 50's. Gothel is so dependent on the magic just to continue existing that when cut off from it, she rapidly ages into dust. Flynn however, who has only used it once before (for the injured hand), probably gets a whole lifetime when his life is restored, and isn't dependent on it afterwards (still being able to sustain his own life normally). |
| 511 | |
| 512 | [[WMG: Mother Gothel took a page out of Frollo's pagebook.]] |
| 513 | * Remorselessly stole a child from right under their parents' noses and kept them locked up in a tower all the way until adulthood as well as abusing them emotionally? [[WesternAnimation/TheHunchbackOfNotreDameDisney Yup.]] |
| 514 | |
| 515 | [[WMG: Before their engagement could be announced officially Eugene had to do social service to all the people he robbed.]] |
| 516 | * He is a country-wide known thief. Even if the king would pardon him, the citizens of Corona probably would be not too happy to know their recently returned princess will marry the thief who robbed them. So, to calm them Flynn will have to work. And not only as a symbolic gesture - he will do social service. To any person he ever stole from. After THIS is done the people hopefully made up their mind to him marrying the princess he himself saved. |
| 517 | |
| 518 | [[WMG: Rapunzel is a [[{{Series/Dollhouse}} Doll]].]] |
| 519 | * She was taken from her parents in her mid-teens, wiped, and given memories only of Gothel, her handler. At the same time her hair was genetically modified for medicinal purposes; Gothel saw the possibilities and kidnapped her. Their repeated exchange - 'I love you very much/ I love you more/ I love you most' - is the trust bond exchange set up between dolls and handlers. Through the film her original persona is reemerging in fits and starts, enabling her to rebel against Gothel and become her own person again. |
| 520 | |
| 521 | [[WMG: Pascal was not Rapunzel's first pet.]] |
| 522 | * At some point in her childhood, she had a bird or squirrel or something, and Gothel found out and either killed it or just made it leave the tower. That's why Rapunzel was so determined not to let Gothel see Pascal. |
| 523 | |
| 524 | [[WMG: In the kingdom, you now need a license to own and use a frying pan.]] |
| 525 | * The guards see how effective they are in battle, and we see they have started using them themselves. It'd be much harder to defend the kingdom if almost everyone had the same weapon you had in their cupboard. Additionally, even with that license, you're only allowed to own one of them. |
| 526 | ** Unless the kingdom has a ''very'' narrow definition of the kind of frying pan that is now restricted, that's certainly an enormous thorn in the side of anyone who cooks professionally, and many people who care enough about cooking as a hobby who can afford to have pans dedicated to different uses (at least savory vs. sweet and types of metal, anyway). |
| 527 | |
| 528 | [[WMG: Gothel and Rapunzel's father were once lovers.]] |
| 529 | |
| 530 | [[WMG:The Stabbington Brothers coerced Flynn to join with them]] |
| 531 | * They have no objections to hauling him around when they want him to move faster on the castle rooftop, and it would explain why he is willing to help Rapunzel after the Snuggly Duckling and the subsequent chase, but has no compunctions about abandoning the brothers. He had no scruples about abandoning her until she did something for him, and the brothers never did anything on his behalf. |
| 532 | |
| 533 | [[WMG:The [[spoiler:teardrop that healed Eugene]]]] |
| 534 | ... is actually the drop of sunlight that made the flower magical in the first place. |
| 535 | ** I'm amazed that there's anyone who ''doesn't'' think this. |
| 536 | |
| 537 | [[WMG:Going from above, ''Tangled'', ''Brave'', ''WesternAnimation/HowToTrainYourDragon'' and ''WesternAnimation/RiseOfTheGuardians'' all take place in the same universe.]] |
| 538 | This is also posted on the other WMG pages. Considering the amount of crossover fanfictions that involve two, three or all four of these movies, plus the pairings(Mericup, Hicpunzel, Jackpunzel, Jackcupp etc.) My guess is that these are the best CGI films to come out in the last four years. In some cases, you can add ''Harry Potter'' to the mix for some extra fun.(This troper is doing a story with all of these, plus another movie thrown in) |
| 539 | * ''WesternAnimation/{{Frozen|2013}}'' is usually included as well, since if Rapunzel and Eugene's cameo at Elsa's coronation scene is anything to go by they apparently take place in the same universe. |
| 540 | |
| 541 | [[WMG: Vladmir (the guy who collects ceramic unicorns) is a brony.]] |
| 542 | He just happens to prefer unicorns. |
| 543 | |
| 544 | [[WMG: The 'droplet of sunlight' is made of the same substance that makes [[Series/DoctorWho Time Lords]] regenerate.]] |
| 545 | Flynn's return from the dead is not entirely different from a Time Lord's regeneration, with lots of golden light pouring out everywhere. It helps restore youth and life to the user, causing them to live long lives, brings people back from even the verge of death and, as Gothel found out, if you run out of 'lives', that's it. How it got to Earth is unknown (although I wouldn't be surprised if the Time War was involved somehow) and it doesn't have quite the same effect on humans as it does on Gallifreyians (for one thing, it apparently causes unnaturally long hair growth in human females), but there are certain similarities. The 'droplet of the sun' legend, of course, sprung up because humans of that era had no understanding of Gallifreyian biodata or whatever it was. |
| 546 | |
| 547 | This, of course, makes it entirely possible that Rapunzel, Gothel and / or Flynn are or somehow became... no, I'm not gonna go there. You can thank me later. |
| 548 | |
| 549 | [[WMG: "Tangled" is "Stardust" after 100+ year of oral tradition]] |
| 550 | The events of "Stardust" were passed down in legend and tradition, with a few elements changing and being simplified along the way. Instead of an immortal, fallen star, Yvaine becomes a princess who was given life by a drop of sun. The three witches who sought out her power are condensed to one witch, who acts as a jealous guardian of her treasure. Captain Shakespeare and Tristan Thorn are fused into one stylish, but good-hearted thief who works with the star/sun/princess at first out of need, then grows to love her. The lantern festival is the Market Day near Wall, spruced up in many years of telling. |
| 551 | |
| 552 | [[WMG: Just throwing this CrackPairing out here ...]] |
| 553 | Maximus and [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/HomestuckOtherCharacters Maplehoof]]. That will be all. |
| 554 | |
| 555 | [[WMG: ''Tangled'' occurs in one of the alternate universes of ''VideoGame/BioShockInfinite''.]] |
| 556 | "There is always a man, a city, a lighthouse, and a girl to rescue." |
| 557 | |
| 558 | [[WMG: Eugene and Rapunzel are this universe's versions of Booker and Elizabeth.]] |
| 559 | And since they aren't [[spoiler:related]], they're allowed to [[EarnYourHappyEnding earn their happy ending]]. |
| 560 | |
| 561 | [[WMG: Rapunzel is the cousin of [[WesternAnimation/{{Frozen|2013}} Anna and Elsa]].]] |
| 562 | Rapunzel's mother and Idun, the Queen of Arendelle, both look similar. Maybe they're sisters, and that's yet another reason why Rapunzel and Eugene were at Elsa's coronation. |
| 563 | * The part about being related through Elsa and Anna's mother is Jossed by ''WesternAnimation/FrozenII''. |
| 564 | |
| 565 | [[WMG: Rapunzel and [[WesternAnimation/{{Frozen|2013}} Elsa]] are sisters, SeparatedAtBirth.]] |
| 566 | [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhf9dekzyq4&t=327s&ab_channel=TheFilmTheorists But hey, that's just a theory...]] (...with WordOfGod to back it up!) |
| 567 | |
| 568 | * Or Rapunzel and Anna. While Anna doesn't have magical powers like Elsa, she and Rapunzel look more alike and have much more in common personality-wise (with their common adorkable-ness and all). |
| 569 | |
| 570 | [[WMG: Rapunzel was going to cut her own hair, but Eugene beat her to it.]] |
| 571 | Actually going to write a fanfic based on this idea, so I might as well post it here. |
| 572 | |
| 573 | Rapunzel wasn't just going to spend the rest of her life (possibly an eternity) as Gothel's life-extension battery. She planned to cut her own hair immediately after healing Eugene, thus making herself useless to Gothel, thus depriving Gothel of the reason to keep her around. However, Eugene almost ruined everything by cutting her hair before she could heal him, and only a DeusExMachina in the form of the tear saved him. |
| 574 | * Except that she made a promise. Part of her character established earlier is that she always keeps her promises. |
| 575 | ** Correction: She promised to stay with Gothel. Not to keep using her hair for her. |
| 576 | *** Except she also promised everything would be just the way they were, which means she'd keep healing Mother Gothel. |
| 577 | *** Different Troper here. Since Rapunzel promised to "keep everything the same", all she has to do is sing to Gothel. Since Gothel always asked Rapunzel to SING for her, not heal her, Rapunzel would be following through on her promise. Everything is still the same. |
| 578 | |
| 579 | [[WMG: The effects of the magic are permanant]] |
| 580 | Rapunzel's mother didn't get un-healed because the effects of the magic are permanant. The only reason that Gothel rapidly aged is that she was holding the hair as it lost its magic - the magic, as a sort of survival mechanism took back the magic it had given her, because she was touching it at the time. Sure, it didn't work, but still. |
| 581 | |
| 582 | If Gothel hadn't picked up the cut hair, she would've been free to live out her life. Or, well, she'd probably be locked up for her crimes, so she wouldn't be "free" in that sense... |
| 583 | |
| 584 | [[WMG:Rapunzel eventually becomes [[WesternAnimation/BigHero6 Honey Lemon]]'s ancestor.]] |
| 585 | Both girls look and behave similarly. And if we go with the theory that the sun flower is in Rapunzel's genetics, that also means Honey has similar magical healing powers. |
| 586 | * Another possibility: The ''Tangled'' version of Rapunzel's story has been carried through Honey Lemon's family for generations, possibly because she'd be descended from Rapunzel and Eugene. She told the tale to Tadashi and that gave him the idea to make a robot with healing abilities. |
| 587 | |
| 588 | [[WMG:The flower- and by extension Rapunzel's hair- is radioactive]] |
| 589 | Well that would be what would happen if a bit of the actual sun fell to earth... |
| 590 | * Somehow this could work... the way radioactivity usually harms people is by damaging the DNA their cell nucleoli- in large doses it breaks it down and their cells don't regenerate; in small doses the DNA ends up just 'wrong' so the cells do regenerate as a useless mass (a tumour). Nearly all signs of ageing are also caused by cell DNA developing tiny imperfections so that renewal isn't as effective as before. |
| 591 | As yet there's no way to get radiation to reach into a cell nucleus and re-wire it correctly, ''or'' to activate cells of damaged tissue to re-grow at a miraculous speed (before the usual emergency 'scaffold' that the body puts in has been created, leaving a scar later). But in this magical universe... |
| 592 | |
| 593 | [[WMG:Mother Gothel is a witch, but her magic is primarily to do with the sun magic.]] She is the one to find the magic flower. She is the one to learn how to harness it. When it is taken by the guards, she's able to not only guess where the power went, but she's able to find the princess inside the palace she's never (as far as we know) been in. All of these are answerable by other means, of course. But an ability to track the sun magic would also explain why she was able to find Rapunzel whenever she wanted. Obviously the power isn't on all the time, or she'd have been able to tell immediately when Rapunzel left the Tower. |
| 594 | * Speaking of the Tower, it was Mother Gothel's home before the city of Corona even existed. She built it over her time while she was using the flower to keep her youth. Obviously she sought a hidden grotto as near as possible to the flower. Once it came time to steal the princess, it made a handy bolt-hole, and it would have been too dangerous for a while for her to leave, carrying the sought after princess. And once the princess grew up, moving her probably seemed like too much trouble to be worth the risk. |
| 595 | |
| 596 | [[WMG: Maximus becomes the steed of one [[Literature/LesMiserables Inspector Javert.]]]] |
| 597 | Tell me you don't want to see it happen. I dare ya. |
| 598 | |
| 599 | [[WMG: The Stabbington Brothers...]] |
| 600 | ...Are the 11th and 12th sons of [[WesternAnimation/{{Frozen|2013}} the King of the Southern Isles]]. Their younger brother is Hans, which explains why they look so much like him. Realizing that they have little to no shot of taking the throne, they decided to strike out on their own as thieves and mercenaries. |
| 601 | * Alternatively, they are the ''14th'' and ''15th'' sons. Hans may have had a lot of older brothers, but that doesn't mean he didn't have any ''younger'' brothers. |
| 602 | |
| 603 | [[WMG: The Snuggly Duckling patrons are [[PrivateMilitaryContractors mercenaries]]]] |
| 604 | I would have put this on the headscratchers page, but then I thought of an answer myself. I was wondering what they did for a living. There's not many professions that call for a bunch of heavily armed thugs, and the fact that they were initially willing to call the royal guards to their hideout to collect the bounty on Flynn Rider, strongly indicates against highway robbery or other criminal activity as their primary occupation, since in that case they themselves would be wanted criminals just the same as Flynn. The only thing I can think of that that leaves, is that they're some sort of mercenaries. Not sure exactly what sort of mercenary work they do, but it's the only thing that makes sense. |
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| 606 | |
| 607 | [[WMG: Flynn is Jewish.]] |
| 608 | So the kingdom's wanted posters draw him really accurately but they have to make this dashing thief look like a bad guy, and they choose his nose to caricature? |
| 609 | Fitzherbert isn't the most Jewish name imaginable admittedly, but remember it's inherited maternally. And 'Eugene', well... |
| 610 | |
| 611 | [[WMG: Gothel is a witch, her powers just are atypical.]] |
| 612 | Not all wizards in Disney have the same sort of magic, as some are more skilled in enchanted objects and potions. Gothel could certainly fit this with her lantern, cloak, and use of the magic flower. Also, just think about her being able to kidnap Rapunzel and hide her for so long--that sounds like magic was used. |
| 613 | |
| 614 | [[WMG: On that, Flynn is a wizard.]] |
| 615 | He's far more durable than the average human, even when comparing him to the Beast. Flynn is also the one who sees Rapunzel's tower, and Gothel becomes afraid when she sees his portrait, and tries to have him killed. Could Gothel know about his magic? What if Rapunzel was right about destiny bringing Flynn to the tower? As in, Flynn's magical power would be needed to help him defeat Gothel if that situation arose, and Gothel knows that. After all, there are no magic-users in the film, which does raise a few questions. Flynn being a wizard might also explain his age difference with Rapunzel--teenage wizards have erratic magic, so Flynn's magic had to settle before he could go to the tower. |
| 616 | |
| 617 | [[WMG: But what if, Eugene was the Genie from ''WesternAnimation/{{Aladdin}}'']]? |
| 618 | Tangled takes place, a few centuries or so after Aladdin. Not to mention, in the Aladdin TV series it's shown that one of Genie's old masters was planning on coming after him, once Aladdin was gone. Thanks in due part, to the bad guy being immortal. Well, Genie decided that he would become human just for a few years, to throw off his old master. Except the magic backfired, and it turned him into a human baby with little to no memories of what he once was. He was taken to an orphanage, where he was given the name of Eugene, and Fitzherbert was a last name he took on. Only to later take on the name Flynn Rider. |
| 619 | * It would explain Flynn's durability, and how he's able to spring back so fast from getting hit in the head with a frying pan, with no repercussions except for getting knocked out. |
| 620 | * Shares some design elements: ie. The blue color motif and the chin hair. |
| 621 | * In a flashback in an episode of Tangled: the series, Eugene looks exactly the same as he does currently despite the flashback taking place eight years before...when Rapunzel would have been ten. |
| 622 | ** WordOfGod has confirmed that Flynn is 26, which would make him 18 eight years ago. |
| 623 | * Is a thief unlike Flynn Rider from the books sure, but whose to say he wasn't also subconsciously remembering the tricks of an old friend who also happened to be a thief himself. |
| 624 | |
| 625 | [[WMG:''Tangled'' doesn't take place in Germany, but in Scotland or Ireland.]] |
| 626 | |
| 627 | Corona is generally assumed to be (in) Germany. Mostly because the author of the fairy tale the story is based on, is German. But there is nothing really German about the culture or geography of Corona, and in fact, placing it in Scotland or Ireland would make more sense. |
| 628 | |
| 629 | * The song "Kingdom Dance" that Rapunzel dances to in Corona city in the movie, is SourceMusic (music the characters are hearing In Universe; remember they are dancing to it), and it has a very Celtic sound and instruments. It clearly is Irish or Scottish music. |
| 630 | * Germany has more blond people than Scotland, and Corona has almost no blond characters (Rapunzel doesn't count, as in her case her hair is blond due to magic...). Most Coronans are dark-haired, blue- or green-eyed and fairly pale-skinned. This fits Scotland more. |
| 631 | * In ''Literature/RapunzelAndTheLostLagoon'' Corona is described as having many, many bodies of water--to begin with, 212 lakes and 313 miles of coast. Now what country is known for its many lakes? Scotland. Germany also has less coast line. |
| 632 | * In ''Rapunzel and the Lost Lagoon'', the Coronan winter weather is described (this happens in the time skip between ''Tangled'' and ''Tangled: The Series'', so wasn't shown on screen) and it's very windy and rainy and with lots of sleet. More fitting of Scottish weather than German, which is more of a land climate. |
| 633 | * See [[https://imgur.com/a/UKFFnZN this image]] from WesternAnimation/TangledTheSeries, season 2 episode 5. These kind of rock formations don't occur in Germany, but typically there are many of them in Scotland and Ireland. |
| 634 | |
| 635 | [[WMG: Rapunzel is a [[TabletopGame/PrincessTheHopeful Princess]].]] |
| 636 | * Probably a Troubador Calling given her love for songs and art, exuberant spirit, and the ease with which she makes new friends, though she could also be a Grace. Court is more difficult to determine, but I would guess Spades for her love of freedom and slightly unconventional approach to life. |
| 637 | * Her healing powers did not come from her Inner Light, but from the sun magic. Everything else, however (her bursts of absurd strength, being able to survive tumbles and falls that should have seriously hurt her, rapidly making friends with anyone and everyone, etc) is Charms. Moreover, while resurrecting Eugene expended the sun magic, the paths to use it are still in her soul, and she will soon discover that she is able to channel her Inner Light through them. |
| 638 | |
| 639 | [[WMG: The Sundrop came from Apollo]] |
| 640 | |
| 641 | In Greek myth, Apollo is not only the god of the sun, but of healing, music and poetry as well. |
| 642 | ** Given the setting's more north european and Rapunzel is a girl, however, it seems more likely it came from [[Myth/NorseMythology Sunna]]. |
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