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| 4 | Guesses about pretty pony princesses and possible kin. |
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| 7 | [[folder:Princess Celestia (Part 1)]] |
| 8 | [[WMG:Celestia is a BitchInSheepsClothing.]] |
| 9 | She invited the ponies to the Gala with the intention of humiliating themselves for her own amusement. |
| 10 | * She used the Elements of Harmony to banish her sister to the moon, when she could have used them to heal her, like Twilight did. |
| 11 | ** She also kept Luna locked in a basement or something during most of Season 1. |
| 12 | ** She said outright that she didn't know what she was doing. This troper is under the impression that the power of the Elements can only be successfully wielded by six individuals with a strong connection to their traits -- even a god can't harness their power alone. |
| 13 | * She allowed the people to believe she is the princess by divine right, when Ponyville had been previously ruled by humans (i.e. Megan's ancestors, Scorpan). |
| 14 | ** Megan isn't even from the same universe as the ponies. |
| 15 | *** While I am not sure if it was made cannon, it was originally intended for to Megan be the decesendant of Pony World's former rulers. Whether or not it was, Megan herself was more or less the ruler of the Ponies. |
| 16 | ** [[FridgeHorror Whatever happened to Megan?]] |
| 17 | |
| 18 | * On a related note, the only types of ponies in her kingdom are the ones that somewhat resemble her (the Earth ponies, the pegusi, and unicorns). What the hell happened to the Flutter ponies or the Sea ponies? Celestia must be a fan of ethnic cleansing... |
| 19 | ** Since Equestria doesn't seem to have a coast (or at least, the sea hasn't been shown) its possible the Sea Ponies just are not shown because they live elsewhere. |
| 20 | *** Huh? Equestria is a country which stretches from coast to coast, and Manehattan is on (or, more accurately, off) the sea coast. (Seaponies didn't appear in the show proper so far, but the Mane Six visited their underwater kingdom in the ''Under the Sparkling Sea'' book.) |
| 21 | ** The Flutter Ponies were isolationists, they're probably living happily of Flutter Valley. |
| 22 | *** True, but Twilight once said that only unicorns are capable of magic, despite the Flutter ponies having powers. This could mean Flutter ponies don't exist, or that they were simply horribly massacred by Celestia. |
| 23 | ** From what I recall the Flutter Ponies always used their powers to counter other beings magic. In other words they didn't have magical powers, but [[AntiMagic anti-magical powers.]] |
| 24 | *** Which makes them all the more likely to be destroyed by Celestia. |
| 25 | ** Who's to say that Twilight even knows Flutter Ponies exist? Sure, she's smart, but if they're isolated away from the rest of pony society, everypony might just be unaware of them. |
| 26 | ** Stop denying the obvious! Where do you think the ponies' marshmallows came from? |
| 27 | *** [[MemeticMutation Rarity]]. |
| 28 | * Finally, even inviting Twilight to live in Ponyville was a gambit. Ever since Twilight arrived [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSJ1EMJ9oe8 Pinkie]] and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NtSbzESOXE Fluttershy]] have gone bat-shit insane, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csPPqdbcVwM Rarity]] has gotten more whiny, Applejack has become [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wzSjhPkLSM less honest]], and Rainbow Dash has become less [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT_Jk744L2s loyal]], and a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSrBbsSu4XI lesbian for some reason]]. Now, they are losing the control over their elements, and Celestia has no reason to fear the elements being used on her. |
| 29 | * It gets worse. I am sure Celestia is also the reason [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQeAHclRK7A "Everypony Loves Derpy"]] was canned after two episodes. That jealous bitch wants to make sure she is the most loved creature in all of Equestria! |
| 30 | * Hippocampi have never been seen because they're oceanic creatures and there hasn't been an episode on a coast, flutterponies have never been seen because they're isolationists and are so little-known through most of Equestria ('most of Equestria' being 'everywhere that isn't Flutter Valley') that they've gained the status of myths, and Megan never existed in this world. |
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| 32 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia and [[WesternAnimation/AdventureTime Lady Rainicorn]] are distantly related.]] |
| 33 | Both have royal titles, both seem to be made of rainbows to some extent. Maybe they're distant cousins. Another possible theory is Lady Rainicorn is Celestia's great-great-great etc. grand-daughter. The time-span is so long that Rainicorn's kind have lost their wings, but can still "fly" by manipulating light. Yeah, I don't have a whole lot of evidence behind this theory. |
| 34 | * Alternatively, Equestria is in the Crystal Dimension. |
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| 36 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia used to be Princess Daymare]] |
| 37 | Before Nightmare turned crazy, while she still ruled the nighttime alone, her sister Daymare ruled the day. |
| 38 | After Nightmare was sealed in the moon, Daymare changed her name to fit with her new responsibility towards the entire celestial sphere, instead of just the daytime. |
| 39 | * Since her sister is named Princess Luna, and only took the name Nightmare Moon after her FaceHeelTurn, Celestia was probably named Princess Sol-something (since just Princess Sol would sound silly). |
| 40 | ** Princess Solara? |
| 41 | ** Soleil? |
| 42 | ** [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006 Soleanna]]? Oh god no... |
| 43 | ** But "Celestia" is already a reference to the sun. Hell, it's one letter away from simply meaning "Of the sun." |
| 44 | *** As mentioned below, Celestia comes from the Latin word "caelestis", which is an adjective that means "heavenly" or "of the sky" (Sky/Heaven = caelum in Latin); it's very commonly used of Graeco-Roman divinities for obvious reasons. So Celestia's name is very appropriate given her realm of influence, benevolence, beauty and semi-divinity. |
| 45 | ** Since the cartoon already used Spanish words, I'm guessing Celestia's original name was "[=MareSol=]". |
| 46 | *** Luna is not necessarily Spanish; it comes from Latin, actually, and probably Celestia's is also inspired on such language (it's not Spanish, that's a given: "celeste" is "sky blue (color)", and "celestial" is "heavenly; from the sky", neither is ''sun'') |
| 47 | *** I was talking about the "Cute-ceañera" |
| 48 | ** How about "Princess Helia?" |
| 49 | ** Maybe, being the elder sister, Celestia was always intended to be ruler of the entire night sky, aka the celestial sphere. When Luna came along (unexpectedly?) she was made ruler of the night sky, but Celestia kept the name. |
| 50 | ** Princess [[VideoGame/DarkSouls Solaire]]! ...[[RuleOfFunny c'mon, why not]]? |
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| 52 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia is part Phoenix]] |
| 53 | Got the idea from [[http://www.fimfiction.net/story/125713/who-wants-to-live-forever a fanfic]] in which Fluttershy ends up with a "phoenix flame" burning inside of her, so whenever she died, she'd be reborn in fire. The same thing happened to Princess Celestia, who was a mortal winged unicorn at the time, and made her immortal and gave her a connection to the sun that allowed her to raise/lower it much more easily. That, or she was just an ordinary pony, and managing to get somehow merged with a phoenix gave her her status and cutie mark. |
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| 55 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia is grooming Twilight Sparkle as her replacement.]] |
| 56 | And, by proxy, will turn her into a flying unicorn much like herself when she proves worthy. |
| 57 | * Similar idea? I think the clue is in her name: Twilight is the phase in between day and night. Twilight Sparkle is intended to serve as a bridge between day and night -- between Celestia and Luna. |
| 58 | * Expanding on this idea: depending on how Twilight turns out, Celestia may have plans to form a whole pantheon of six beings of equal power to her own. Because as both pilots show us, not having a six-pony fellowship of their own to unlock the power of the Elements comes back to bite Princesses Luna and Celestia in the ass every time there's an apocalypse on the horizon. We are currently at the ''fourth time'' this has been said to have happened. |
| 59 | ** Possibly, despite being a PhysicalGod, Celestia [[NotSoInvincibleAfterAll isn't immortal, but simply long-lived]] and [[SecretlyDying might not have much longer]]; the resident deities of Equestria have their seasons like everything else, and [[DeathOfTheOldGods hers is waning]]. A replacement may be needed soon, and there might be even less time, considering that Sunset Shimmer [[FaceHeelTurn set her back a bit]]... |
| 60 | * '''Confirmed.''' |
| 61 | |
| 62 | [[WMG:Celestia plans to turn Twilight Sparkle into another winged unicorn.]] |
| 63 | By deliberately invoking PowerGivesYouWings. This ties into the series being MerchandiseDriven; if it sticks, fans would want/feel they have to buy a new, winged Twilight Sparkle to match the one on the show. Also, this could also provide a bit of BodyHorror for Twilight and require an adjustment period, with Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy helping her learn how to fly and fearing being socially outcast based on her strange new appearance. (This being [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism Ponyville]], such fears would be largely unfounded.) |
| 64 | * That would leave us with three winged unicorns -- one in charge of the day, one in charge of the night, and Twilight [[MeaningfulName in charge of the time between.]] |
| 65 | ** Or maybe ''stars''? -- oh shit, what does that mean for the stars that freed NMM? |
| 66 | * One of the animators of the show [[http://princesschuchi.deviantart.com/art/Princess-Twilight-Sparkle-188140855 has her own take.]] |
| 67 | ** Well, her name is ''Twilight'' Sparkle. Some significance maybe? |
| 68 | *** Magical daughter of Luna and Celestia? (Twilight is halfway between Day and Night after all) |
| 69 | * Now please imagine an immortal Twilight Sparkle talking to a fully grown Spike. Isn't it both heartwarming... and terrifying? |
| 70 | ** Also think about the fact that Spike is going to live a very very long time, Celestia's pet is a phoenix, something that lives forever or a very long time, the egg test was to see who was next in line for either the throne or ascension into becoming an Alicorn. |
| 71 | * '''Confirmed.''' |
| 72 | |
| 73 | [[WMG:The Summer Sun Celebration is Luna's birthday]] |
| 74 | Longest night of the year were everyone stays up, and the main reason Luna went evil-ish was everyone sleeping through the night. |
| 75 | * Longest DAY of the year, and it's called the summer sun festival, definitely a festival in honor of God-queen Celestia. Luna's main festival is probably Christmas, the actual longest night of the year. Some winter holidays definitely happen, and are quote "Awesome holidays". |
| 76 | ** Why would you have your birthday party on the day of the year you have the most work to do? |
| 77 | * Luna probably only has to work at the start, the rest of the night she is free to enjoy herself. |
| 78 | ** Christmas is December 25th, the longest night of the year is December 21st. |
| 79 | *** Let's just assume that the ponies, which are presumably [[CrystalDragonJesus not Christian]], run some sort of solstice celebration on the appropriate day. And it is apparently awesome. |
| 80 | *** Christmas is on December 25th because at the time it ''was'' the winter solstice (and an important holiday for the pre-Christian Romans.) The defective Julian Calendar (and the imperfect correction introduced with the Gregorian Calendar) led to the current solstice date. |
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| 82 | [[WMG:The people denouncing Celestia as a tyrant were right. Celestia rules Equestria with an iron hoof.]] |
| 83 | Through careful application of her own skilled magic, which lets her manipulate the earth and heavens, she has created a rather dystopian monarchy. Under Celestia's rule, a caste system has formed; a matriarchal hierarchy has been put into place, where the magical unicorns outrank the flying pegasi, and everybody is above the average, non-magical ponies. Celestia herself is above everything: [[GodEmperor A goddess incarnate, she appears as a winged unicorn]], a completely unique creature beyond the powers of nearly everything around her, save for the Elements of Harmony, a strange magic beyond her control. In this story, Celestia has groomed Twilight, a talented young bookworm, as her "student", and discreetly tasked her with analysis of the power of friendship magic, something Celestia has never controlled. At the end of every episode, a loyal, naive Twilight writes to Celestia with her findings on the magic of friendship. (It should be noted that this troper is not a follower of the older series; if this is a restatement of some other canon description of the caste system and power-hungry princess, please leave a comment.) |
| 84 | * The escape of Nightmare Moon was just an elaborate ploy -- she either never existed to begin with, or if Celestia was benign back then and the story is actually true, is still imprisoned on the Moon. Celestia wanted to exploit the Elements of Harmony, but genuine friendship was required to power them up from their inert state, something which she either never understood or has forsaken long ago. So she faked the escape of Nightmare Moon, and put the ponies through a series of carefully planned obstacles to bring out their respective elements. When the ponies defeated the illusionary Nightmare Moon, she took the Elements with her for "safekeeping". She keeps putting up a good face for the cast because their friendship might be needed again should the Elements go inert, and so they aren't used against her before she figures out how to seize their power. |
| 85 | * All the other ponies think that the legend of Luna was just a myth. This means that Celestia has been lying about what happened for 1000 years, denying that her sister ever really existed or that she was ever not in complete control of the heavens. Twilight only finds out about this by poking around in the royal library, after which she is tricked into exiling herself. The entire pony society is designed as a "Brave New World" structure where nature is artificial and everypony is kept busy, preventing political unrest. The one place we know of that is outside of her control is called 'Everfree' Forest for goodness sakes! |
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| 87 | [[WMG:In the pilot, Princess Celestia wrote her letter to Twilight in advance.]] |
| 88 | She responded very quickly, and the response is a little vague, never mentioning Nightmare Moon at all. |
| 89 | * In the next episode after the pilot, Ticket Master, one of the ponies actually says "that was fast!" when Princess Celestia immediately responded to Twilight's mail with a letter containing extra tickets. |
| 90 | ** In Ticket Master, it's rather obvious that Celestia deliberately sent only two tickets as a test for Twilight. |
| 91 | *** Go listen to how the letter was written again. It's ''actually'' rather obvious that Celestia ''didn't'' personally send the tickets; it was a form letter. |
| 92 | |
| 93 | [[WMG:Twilight is Celestia's daughter... kind of.]] |
| 94 | Long before the rebellion of princess Luna, and possibly before Celestia became so powerful, Celestia had a daughter who was killed in some sort of magic related accident. A dragon attempted to save her, but received mortal wounds in the process. When Celestia finally reached the two, they were already doomed. In a stunning display of arcane magic, Celestia cast their souls to be reincarnated some day. The spell could only guarantee reincarnation in some way. the time until the reincarnation, the location, and the heritage were all uncontrollable, though because she set both the dragon and her daughter to be reincarnated in the same spell, the two were bound by destiny in their next life. Fast forward at least a thousand years, and Twilight turns up in an orphanage, And a dragon egg turns up at the royal palace in Canterlot. Spike, as a dragon with strange properties, remembers his past life and retains most of his knowledge, including the events of his and his destiny to guard Twilight, making him surprisingly intelligent for an infant dragon. Twilight is taken under the guardianship of Celestia in private, where either directly as an adoptive mother or indirectly as a teacher and mentor, she is raised by Celestia. |
| 95 | * Taken directly from a fanfic. |
| 96 | ** Well, the whole "Twilight is an orphan" part's been {{Jossed}} now. Doesn't leave out the reincarnation part, though. |
| 97 | *** Her parents might have been committed to a mental health hospital after the entrance exam, which could technically make her an orphan. |
| 98 | *** It still doesn't rule out the possibility Twilight being descended from Celestia somehow (or perhaps being the descendant of the original wielders of the Elements of Harmony). |
| 99 | *** There's always the possibility that Twilight Sparkle was adopted, or that her parents are, in fact, an aunt and uncle. Alternatively, she's a descendant of ''Luna'', rather than Celestia. The two of them seem more similar than Twilight and Celestia, though a millennium of genetic drift may not make that last part a definitive reason. |
| 100 | * ...Link please? |
| 101 | |
| 102 | [[WMG:Twilight Sparkle is Princess Celestia's avatar]] |
| 103 | Because the Princess can't use the Elements of Harmony anymore she imbued a newborn filly with some of her essence in time for Nightmare Moon's release. |
| 104 | * What her friends are depends on whether Celestia had help the first time. |
| 105 | ** If she did have help they're reincarnations of Celestia's group of friends. |
| 106 | ** If not, they are also her avatars. She split her essence into portions corresponding to the six Elements. This also explains how they all got their cutie marks on the same day, triggered by the same event. |
| 107 | |
| 108 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia is actually Amaterasu in a horse incarnation]] |
| 109 | Princess C controls the sun, and her servants directly manipulate the plants, weather, animals, and seasons. In ''VideoGame/{{Okami}}'', Amaterasu was shown to be able to do most if not all these things. They are also both female, white with physical characteristic unlike regular versions of their species, and act as rulers, either as goddess or princess. They even look kind of alike, if you replace Amaterasu's fire with a rainbow, as seen here [[http://angrybeegaming.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/okami-the-movie-20070112041935217.jpg]] and here [[http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101202132554/mylittleponyhub/images/4/4d/PrincessCelestia.png]] |
| 110 | * Horses are also sacred to Amaterasu. I mean the real mythological one, not the video game one. |
| 111 | * There is also Kazegami, the god of wind, who is a part of game!Amaterasu and is a horse. |
| 112 | * [[http://vertrev.deviantart.com/art/Amaterasu-Pony-SCANNED-203230214?q=gallery%3Avertrev%2F29240005&qo=7]] i think she incanated by her own |
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| 114 | [[WMG:Celestia is properly Princeps, not Princess]] |
| 115 | Equestria has overtones of AncientRome, at least the royal palace does. Celestia rules not because of her birthright, but because she is the first among equals. She's called a princess in the show because kids wouldn't know what a princeps is. |
| 116 | * Since she is a she, she would properly be a principissa, which is the feminine form of princeps. Also, nothing about the title of princeps or principissa, which are after all simply Latin for prince and princess, necessarily implies that the one so entitled is first among equals. It is true that Octavian used the term that way, but the fact is that long before that time, princeps meant leader, chieftain, or ruler, or, in other words, prince. |
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| 118 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia plans on turning Twilight Sparkle into a Pegasus Unicorn by taking over her body]] |
| 119 | The reason why the Princess has lived so long is that she takes over her student's body once every thousand years. The whole Nightmare Moon story is a setup to find a proper vessel and the Elements of Harmony is the final test of the worthiness of that vessel. Luna is in on because being sealed up in the moon means she doesn't have to parasitically take over another pony's body. |
| 120 | * Why does this remind me of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins''? =) |
| 121 | * Perhaps Luna is so young because she did the same before she was sealed in the moon, and shortly after Celestia takes Twilight's body, she would be sealed in the sun. The seal wasn't actually a punishment, but rather a cosmic arrangement -- right after the Princess takes a body, they are heroically sealed away by their sibling for a long time so all the subjects will forget. Nightmare Moon was just a temporary form of PowerIncontinence after being sealed for so long. |
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| 123 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia went through a tyrannical phase, but [[CharacterDevelopment grew out of it]].]] |
| 124 | She's had over a thousand years to grow and change. The trauma of having to fight her own sister and ultimately sealing her away, meaning she ''also'' had to shoulder responsibility for manipulating the moon on top of the sun, ''reallllly'' didn't help. On top of that, if she had friends fighting alongside her to help wield the other Elements of Harmony, she had to [[WhoWantsToLiveForever watch them grow old and die]] while she kept on living, continuing her duties with no end in sight. So she found ways to... '''cope'''. Some healthier than others. |
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| 126 | However, she eventually [[HeelRealization realized she had become]] distressingly similar to Nightmare Moon. Despite presenting a pretty and idealistic image to her subjects, inwardly she had grown cold and detached, viewing them as mere ''subjects'' where once she would have counted some of them as ''friends''. She also came to understand the sort of bitter loneliness and frustration that led to her sister's betrayal in the first place. Gradually, Celestia grew out of her ToughLeaderFacade into an honestly benevolent ruler. With Luna's return, she hopes to reconnect with her as well and hopefully keep her from falling back into the same pitfalls and temptations. |
| 127 | * Given Luna's "traditional" behavior in "Luna Eclipsed", it could well be that Celestia was a tyrannical,or at least strict, ruler Back in the Day. Luna was one of the few people she could open up to in these circumstances and, after the Nightmare Moon conflict, the above occurred. |
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| 129 | [[WMG:The way everyone acted toward Celestia in "A Bird in the Hoof" is a veiled parody of [[CreatorWorship how the fandom acts towards Lauren Faust]].]] |
| 130 | With perhaps some parody of "Celestia is a tyrant" WMG's thrown in. |
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| 132 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia has a [[Franchise/{{Dune}} Bene Gesserit]] style breeding program that produced Twilight Sparkle]] |
| 133 | She bred her and Luna's bloodlines over the past millennium to produce a pony that could defeat Nightmare and/or become her successor. Twilight's friends could have been bred as well, probably descendants of Celestia's mortal friends. |
| 134 | * Did she really do this just to defeat Nightmare? Or is there some even greater threat yet to come? That said, I like this theory. It opens up some very interesting possibilities for Crossover Fanfiction. I for one like to consider a combination of this guess with my guessing above that Equestria is a plane of [[TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering Dominia]]. |
| 135 | ** ''Just'' to defeat Nightmare? Keep in mind that not only is Princess Luna her sister, without her Celestia has to control night and day and be on duty all the time. Even an evil Princess Celestia would view finally having some ''time off'' after a thousand years as a very high priority. |
| 136 | *** Maybe she's supposed to be the pony Kwisatz Haderach too? |
| 137 | * A corollary of this is that ''all'' of the mane cast were specifically bred over several generations specifically for the right traits. That's how Celestia knew that Twilight would find friends perfectly suited for the other Elements of Harmony in Ponyville -- that's where the other five bloodlines were living. |
| 138 | ** Social engineering was also probably involved -- for instance, ensuring that a pony genetically predisposed towards maximum happiness was reared in such a dreary place that the inevitable personality backlash would lead towards subconscious compensation by exaggerated fun-focus, resulting in Pinkie Pie. |
| 139 | * This theory gains credence with the appearance of Twilight's Brother, who is powerful enough to protect all of Canterlot ''by himself.'' |
| 140 | ** Looking at other Mane Six family members: Applejack's grandmother Granny Smith helped found Ponyville on a spot Celestia herself chose, and her brother Big Macintosh is the strongest pony in all of Ponyville (and quite possibly all of Equestria). Due to their young ages, the jury is still out on Apple Bloom and Rarity's sister Sweetie Belle. |
| 141 | |
| 142 | [[WMG:Celestia is slowly overtaking Twilight]] |
| 143 | Remember the line from the opening: I have always wondered what friendship could be. This does not describe twilight, because as we saw in the pilot, she was quite dismissive of the concept. But it's still said with her voice, so how could this be? Easy; Celestia is supplanting Twilight, so she can properly understand friendship. |
| 144 | * Wait, so Celestia is possessing Twilight? |
| 145 | ** That, or just living through her vicariously. Celestia's job, age, and public image (see above {{WMG}}s) have kept her from making friends. Celestia sent Twilight to discover "the magic of friendship" because it's something that the Princess ''legitimately has not been able to learn for herself''. Celestia didn't even have the "my sister is my best friend" option. |
| 146 | * [[ComicallyMissingThePoint Celestia has much longer legs than Twilight, and she has wings. If she wanted to overtake her, it would happen quickly.]] |
| 147 | |
| 148 | [[WMG:When she had the Elements of Harmony, Celestia's element was Laughter.]] |
| 149 | Besides 'Trollestia,' there's the fact she does laugh a lot, the way she makes fun of her subjects being overly adoring and attentive with the tea, the fact her pet/friend Philomena is such a troll... However, a thousand years without her sister for company [[WhoWantsToLiveForever after her friends died]], the strain of looking after a kingdom 24/7 instead of half the time and having to control both day and night have worn on her. Now that her sister is back and Twilight Sparkle's adventures seem to be making her feel young again, she will start acting more like Pinkie Pie as she returns to her old self. |
| 150 | * It's possible that Luna was one of the wielders of the Elements along with Celestia. If so, her element was Generosity: the feeling that her gift was rejected was what left her open to Nightmare Moon. |
| 151 | ** If Luna was a carrier of one of the elements of harmony, then how was it possible for the elements to be used? Because Luna's elements was Loyalty, and in the end, Luna was able to break through Nightmare Moon just long enough to use the elements of harmony against herself, preferring to banish herself than betray Equestria. |
| 152 | ** This is interesting. I had assumed that Celestia's element was Magic. But this is indeed not as self-evident as it may seem. |
| 153 | *** I'd bet Celestia's element was Magic, specially since Magic = Friendship here, and it's clear Celestia values that a lot considering how much she wants Twilight to learn about it. As for Laughter, couldn't Philomena be the holder of it? Also, I'd agree that Nightmare Moon's element might have been Loyalty. |
| 154 | * Another alternative: Maybe Celestia combines ''all'' elements, but that wasn't always the case. Think of it: It is true that she embodies Laughter, but she also embodies Loyalty, Honesty, Kindness and Generosity. Maybe if someone who is a Wielder of an Element dies, his or her personality doesn't just vanish, but somehow "merges" with the personalities of her friends. In the end, when only one body remains, we have the "souls" of all wielders united as one person, in one body, who then ascends to the semi-Godhood of a Pegasus Unicorn form. This would also prevent the UnfortunateImplications of WhoWantsToLiveForever and of Celestia having outlived all her friends: she hasn't, they're always present within her, as a part of her. Also, one might consider the possibility that Celestia and her friends never had the sixth element. It was hidden as a spark within Twilight after all. So, in her, the personalities of only five wielders are united. If this happens to the wielders of all six elements, the result will be a ''literal'' Goddess. (Or something like that.) |
| 155 | ** Or perhaps she ''does'' embody all six and is attempting to create another goddess, as in the Mane cast are being set up so they'll merge. |
| 156 | ** Has anyone written a fanfic like that? Because I'm getting the urge to write a DeathFic with a "happy" ending for [[FanFic/BitterSweet some reason]]. |
| 157 | ** There's a pair of stories where an Evil!Twilight, at Evil!Celestia's urging, attempts to kill off all the other bearers so she can take over their elements, but I've never seen one that took a "happy" spin on the concept. |
| 158 | ** Funny, I always got the idea that Celestia could use all the Elements of Harmony singlehandely, if not with the same might, thanks to be a god. And that's why she could only seal Nightmare Moon in to the moon instead of completely reforming her sister. |
| 159 | * I always seem to envision that when they were the age of the Cutie Mark Crusaders, Celestia would sometimes prank the guards (i.e. buckets of water), while Luna was always shy and needed a helping hoof from her sister. I personally think that's a fitting backstory. |
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| 161 | [[WMG:The sun was not Celestia's original cutie mark.]] |
| 162 | When the mane six get their magical jewelry during the Elements of Harmony sequence, the gems match their cutie marks. This may mean that Celestia's original cutie mark, before some NoodleIncident we'll never see, was that purple diamond set into her armor/harness and crown. |
| 163 | * The founders of Equestria must have had the ability to change their cutie marks at will, using them as a quick way to show what their jobs or interests were without having to say anything. Centuries of genetic drift stunted the ability to the point where the latest generations can't control it at all and have never heard of anyone who could. |
| 164 | ** In addition to that, Celestia might not be her original name. Considering Luna=Moon, wouldn't something like Solaris make more sense? She could have took the name Celestia after taking over her sister's responsibilities to reflect her new position as in charge of the two celestial bodies. |
| 165 | * I have to disagree with my fellow tropers on this one. I believe that Celestia's Cutie Mark was always the sun. The Elements seem to have the ability to mold themselves to the personality of the pony using them. Remember when the elements were rocks? After a millennium of not being used, by either pony or Alicorn, they reverted back into their impotent or power-saving mode waiting for the next pony or ponies that fitted the qualities of the elements. The purple diamonds on her armor and crown denote her royal status, as purple is traditionally the colour of royalty. |
| 166 | |
| 167 | [[WMG:Celestia doesn't want to be a Princess]] |
| 168 | "Bird in the Hoof" seemed to be invoking a bit of StopWorshippingMe. Maybe she just happened to be an immortal unicorn-pegasus who could control the sun and unintentionally attracted a throng of worshippers who insisted she rule them (and she chose the title "Princess" because she didn't like "God-Empress", just like how the emperor of Mankind hates having his own subjects call him God-Emperor just because of his vast psychic energy). |
| 169 | * Which could tie into the ones suggesting that she's grooming Twilight to be her successor. |
| 170 | * It also means Luna had little reason to be jealous. |
| 171 | ** She was jealous of the attention the day gets, not of Celestia herself. |
| 172 | * She doesn't seem to stand on protocol very heavily, does she? That said, she did have guards on the door, and doesn't do much to discourage formalities in other situations. More likely, the brunch was intended to be a relaxed event where Celestia could meet and get to know her star student's friends and acquaintences. Why else would she be in Ponyville in the first place? |
| 173 | ** Well, the brunch may have been an apology for having to cancel her appearance due to the parasprite invasion in Phillydelphia. |
| 174 | ** She pretty much arranged for Twilight's friends to trash the stuffy Grand Galloping Gala. |
| 175 | ** She could be simply just tired of it. Maybe after a thousand years of the same genuflection and adoration, not to mention whatever adoration she had before, it had gone tedious and boring to the point of insanity. And she had found in Twilights and her friends scapegoats, from her letters where she lives vicariously to the fac that since they are the Elemental wearers, allow her a lot of political protection and support; hence why they could destroy the Grand Galloping Gala without repercussion. |
| 176 | |
| 177 | [[WMG:Celestia was [[StepfordSmiler hiding her depression for centuries]] until being reunited with Luna after so long.]] |
| 178 | I can see it: right before using the Elements of Harmony to seal Nightmare Moon away, Celestia sheds a SingleTear, knowing that her sister Luna would have to be sealed away. After learning that the 6 fillies that would bear the Elements have been born, she sees this as a HopeSpot and decides to teach Twilight Sparkle, the future bearer of Magic, [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E23TheCutieMarkChronicles which helped her earn her Cutie Mark]]. [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E2ElementsOfHarmony And after reuniting with Luna after 1,000 years]], Celestia was no longer living with the pain of being separated from her sister. |
| 179 | |
| 180 | [[WMG:Celestia invented the Sonic Rainboom.]] |
| 181 | Only two Ponies have rainbow coloured hair and Dash said the move was a legend before she proved it could be done. Given Celestia's age (and the apparent inability of ponies to record history) it is possible that she came up with the move when she was young and impulsive but stopped using it, perhaps due to the trauma of her sister going nuts, causing it to fall into myth. |
| 182 | * Celestia's version probably wasn't as impressive as Dash's version would be, since Celestia's hair only has four colors while Dash's has the full six. |
| 183 | |
| 184 | [[WMG:In "Swarm of the Century", Princess Celestia knew ''exactly'' what was going on.]] |
| 185 | It seems unlikely that Equestria's ruler wouldn't know what a parasprite is, given how dangerous those creatures can be. And she probably saw that Ponyville was in trouble from the air. When she saw [[AddedAlliterativeAppeal polka-playing Pinkie Pie's parasprite parade]] go by, she put two and two together and, figuring they had everything in hand, used having to go to Fillydelphia to let the ponies save face and get to work rebuilding the town. |
| 186 | |
| 187 | [[WMG:By sending Twilight to Ponyville to get some friends, Celestia also tries to find new friends herself, "by proxy" if you will.]] |
| 188 | The ''real'' reason why Celestia cannot just find new friends herself is that nearly all other ponies behave completely afraid and subservient to her, as seen when Mr. and Mrs. Cake kept refilling her tea cup in "Bird in the Hoof", and you cannot build an intimate friendship on that. So, by sending her "faithful student" to find some friends, she hopes that those friends might eventually also become friends to ''herself''. |
| 189 | |
| 190 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia planned ''everything'']] |
| 191 | She's trying to teach Twilight (and maybe her friends too) everything about friendship for one or more of the previously mentioned reasons and the entire season so far has gone ''Exactly as planned''. |
| 192 | |
| 193 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia had her own party crashed so she could finally be casual with Twilight's friends]] |
| 194 | Throughout the season she has attempted to meet ponyville casually, attempting to be treated like a normal citizen and trying to really get to know Twilight's friends. Every time beforehand, her attempts were ruined by either circumstance or citizens taking her "casual" visit far too seriously, making her nigh unapproachable to them. After Twilight and her friends regrouped fully shamed at the doughnut shop, Celestia sincerely thanked them for screwing around with the aristocracy and in general making the night fun for once, making her appear as less a goddess or royalty, and more as just another pony. After the credits rolled, Celestia spent hours with the mane cast in the shop as a peer in their eyes and in the process she made some of the first real friends after hundreds of years of the aristocracy sucking up to her in canterlot. |
| 195 | ** This makes a lot of sense when one realizes the one being who could possibly be a friend to her even in her position of power was sealed away for 1000 years. |
| 196 | |
| 197 | [[WMG:Relating to the above, Celestia will be more candid with the mane cast in season 2.]] |
| 198 | With the mane cast being friends on a personal level, and Luna able to fill in for her days off, Celestia will occasionally sneak out of Canterlot. Either disguised for a day with her friends, or just quickly popping into the library undisguised for a short visit. Though she will be more personable and commonly occurring, she will still have the same effect on the viewer as she did in season one because of how understated her appearances will be when casually showing up. |
| 199 | |
| 200 | [[WMG:Celestia trained all those animals in the Gala to specifically avoid [[FriendToAllLivingThings Fluttershy]] and [[BerserkButton make her mad]].]] |
| 201 | Since Celestia has proven herself to be a grade-A {{troll}} throughout the series, I wouldn't put it past her to do that. |
| 202 | ** After the Philomena incident, I wouldn't be the least surprised. And she '''''did''''' want Twilight's friends to liven up the Gala. |
| 203 | |
| 204 | [[WMG:In "The Best Night Ever", Celestia had another reason for going to the donut shop: saving the ponies.]] |
| 205 | Shortly after the Gala was ruined, warrants were put out for the arrest of the main cast. (Or at least some of them: Rarity, Rainbow Dash, and Fluttershy were probably the ones that caused the most damage.) While the ponies were telling Spike about what had happened, the police (or city guards, same difference) were amassing outside the shop and ready to bust in and arrest them. Celestia intervened, gave the cast a royal pardon, and assured the police that she would deal with the situation personally. |
| 206 | * Incidentally, when the warrants were first put out, Celestia was too busy handling the fallout of the Gala to deal with it or even learn about them at first. |
| 207 | * It seems her plan to use them to energize the Gala [[GoneHorriblyRight went horribly right]]. |
| 208 | * Princess Celestia has probably issued several pardons for the chaos the main cast has caused over the series, as she needs them to continue serving as her secret commandos. |
| 209 | ** None of this seems to make much sense. After all, what would they be charged with? Rainbow Dash just tried to catch a falling statue; the fact that it didn't work out does not make her a criminal. Likewise, all Rarity did was berate her loutish date and shake out her mane. Even Fluttershy only burst through the door and screamed. I suppose you might charge her with malicious mischief or some other misdemeanor of that nature, but worst case scenario, she'd have to pay a fine or maybe do some community service. But she didn't really commit any crime. Also, Celestia is an ''absolute monarch''; no one is going to arrest her prize pupil or said pupil's friends without Celestia's direct authorization. Maybe if they caught one of them red-hoofed committing a major felony, although even then they might want to get Celestia's permission first. |
| 210 | *** Off the top of my head: |
| 211 | :::'''Rainbow Dash''': Assault and battery, creating a public nuisance, disorderly conduct, destruction of Her Majesty's property, and possibly fleeing and eluding (probably wouldn't stick, though). |
| 212 | *** Whom did she assault or batter? And public nuisance? [[http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Public+Nuisance Public nuisance]] is when you run an unlicensed prizefight or pollute a stream or something like that. As for [[http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/disorderly+conduct disorderly conduct]], that would depend on what the disorderly conduct statute in Equestria says, assuming they have such a statute, but it is highly unlikely that any of Dash's conduct would qualify. Destruction of property definitely wouldn't apply, because she was obviously trying to save that property; that she failed does not make her guilty of a crime. And without any underlying offense, she cannot be charged with fleeing and eluding; also, she was obeying a royal command when she left. |
| 213 | *** While battery is probably too much, she did bodycheck some random pony with the intent to show off to the Wonderbolts. |
| 214 | *** Before being too harsh, remember that the question was 'what could they be charged with, not what they could be convicted of. |
| 215 | :::'''Rarity''': Assaulting a member of the Royal Family, battery by missile (or [[FelonyMisdemeanor pastry]]) of a member of the Royal Family, disorderly conduct, fleeing and eluding. |
| 216 | *** When did she assault him? All she did was yell at him. She didn't throw the cake at him either, so she can't be responsible for battery. As for disorderly conduct or fleeing and eluding, see my response for Rainbow Dash. |
| 217 | *** This one--the assault, I mean--depends on the local definition. In many jurisdictions where the penal code is based on English Common Law, threatening to inflict bodily harm or offensive contact, and having the ability to carry it out constitutes assault. Others, I believe, require a show of force or actual bodily contact. |
| 218 | :::'''Fluttershy''': Creating a public nuisance, disorderly conduct, whatever game laws she violated trying to trap animals in the Royal garden, fleeing and eluding. |
| 219 | *** Definitely no public nuisance (see above). Even if she did violate any game laws, and we don't know that she did, there were no witnesses. It's not a crime to open a door, yell something at a party, and then run out. Again, no underlying charge, no fleeing and eluding. |
| 220 | *** She sent a bunch of wild animals into a crowded party. I'm pretty sure that could constitute causing a panic. |
| 221 | :::'''Pinkie Pie''': Disorderly conduct, accessory after the fact to the above by fleeing and eluding. |
| 222 | *** What disorderly conduct? Singing and dancing at a party? And she can't be an accessory after the fact to crimes that never occurred, ''and'' the mere fact of running with an alleged perpetrator would not make her an [[http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/accessary+after+the+fact accessory after the fact]]; she would have had to actively assist the perp's escape. |
| 223 | *** She physically grabbed Octavia despite the latter performing and Octavia's expression would indicate it wasn't a comfortable grab. |
| 224 | :::'''Twilight''': Accessory after the fact to the above by fleeing and eluding. |
| 225 | *** Same answer as for Pinkie: accessory after the fact requires that she actively aid fugitives in hiding or escaping, not merely fleeing with them. Also, she was acting in accord with a royal command. |
| 226 | :::'''Applejack''': Accessory after the fact to the above by fleeing and eluding, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking vending without a permit]]. |
| 227 | *** There is no evidence that she needed a permit or that she did not have one, and, again, no fleeing and eluding for the same reasons as for Twilight. |
| 228 | *** I think that that the permit thing was a joke, based on the pothole. |
| 229 | *** Though, again, Celestia probably would have quashed any warrants. |
| 230 | ** Twilight's older brother being Captain of the Guard is just more reinforcement for the premise that nopony is going to be attempting to arrest Twilight Sparkle for anything short of attempted murder. |
| 231 | |
| 232 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia is secretly a Kamen Rider.]] |
| 233 | Well, she has a sibling who reappeared with a name relating to darkness and the moon. [[Series/KamenRiderBlack And she's associated with the sun...]] |
| 234 | |
| 235 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia and [[Franchise/MyLittlePony Megan]] are AlternateUniverse counterparts to each other.]] |
| 236 | It was previously suggested that Megan and Celestia were the same person/pony, but was Jossed since Celestia and Luna have no siblings. Furthermore, since G1 Twilight is Twlight Sparkle's mom, she'd have to be around the same age as Celestia and Luna. However, having them be the same pony/person from different universes would resolve these issues. |
| 237 | ** Unless... [[FridgeHorror Discord is Danny...]] |
| 238 | |
| 239 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia really did raise Spike after Twilight hatched his egg.]] |
| 240 | Spike and Twilight had only been paired together for a year or two prior to the pilot because Princess Celestia thought he would have a good influence on her and encourage her to lighten up. "Official Canterlot Business" is really code for "Young man, come home and ''visit your mother.''" |
| 241 | |
| 242 | [[WMG:Celestia arraigned a marriage between Twilight Sparkle and Prince Blueblood]] |
| 243 | Neither pony knows it yet, but Celestia intends for the two of them to marry and produce a foal of noble birth (Blueblood's part) and immense magical powers (Twilight's part). Then this foal will become the next ruler of Equestria. |
| 244 | * Oh God, no... |
| 245 | * Next ruler? But Celestia and Luna are immortal, to all appearances. Why would they need a successor? |
| 246 | ** So they can retire and not have to deal with the tremendous stress of ruling AND fulfilling cosmic duties? |
| 247 | |
| 248 | [[WMG:Celestia was a bigger prankster than Pinkie Pie as a filly.]] |
| 249 | There's a reason for the nickname Trollestia after all. And I like to imagine that Celestia has only mellowed out somewhat with her age, and as a young energetic filly? She must have been absolutely brutal with her pranks. |
| 250 | * For maximum effect, imagine an episode where Pinkie and filly!Celestia try to out-prank one-another. |
| 251 | * When she was a filly? She may be a bigger prankster ''now''. Seriously, what has been Pinkie's biggest prank to date? Having Rainbow Dash hit Spike with a lightning bolt? Celestia deliberately wrecked the biggest event of Equestrian high society. |
| 252 | |
| 253 | [[WMG:Celestia is a fusion of the last group to wield Elements of Harmony]] |
| 254 | Which is why she's a godlike Unicorn-Pegasus |
| 255 | * There are six Elements, and WordOfGod states that Celestia and Luna are a combanation of all three types of ponies, meaning that three of the main six will fuse into one alicorn, while the other three will fuse into another alicorn, explaining the existence of the two princesses. |
| 256 | ** yes, yes!! Just like Asimov's Novel TheGodThemselves! So let's see: |
| 257 | *** My bet is Twilight will be merged/fusioned with RD and PP. |
| 258 | *** Several other WMG in this page are also valid: Celestia is grooming the Mane 6 to be her substitutes after fusion, etc. |
| 259 | |
| 260 | [[WMG:Celestia was planning to use Twilight and her friends ever since the Sonic Rainboom.]] |
| 261 | The day before the Summer Sun Celebration seems a bit late to be implementing a plan to save the world. When Dash's first Sonic Rainboom indicated a connection between the six friends, Celestia detected the connection (as she is wise in the ways of the Magic of Friendship), and knew that this was her best bet for stopping Nightmare Moon and rescuing her sister. That was her main reason for taking on Twilight as her primary student (in addition to her general magical aptitude), and she also started monitoring the others at this point -- she may have been responsible for Pinky moving to Ponyville, for example. She made sure that those five would be the people Twilight met on her first tour of Ponyville, and the rest proceeded as planned. |
| 262 | * I think Celestia's planning goes farther back than this, back to the day that she had to banish her sister. She knew that a [[MeaningfulName celestial event]] would allow Nightmare Moon/Luna to be freed in a thousand years, and began manipulating bloodlines to produce the young mares who would next bear the Elements. She knew of Twilight's power before the entrance exam because Twilight's family was already [[PalsWithJesus friends of the royal family]] when she was still a blank flank, which was how Celestia knew to give Twilight the "unpassable" entrance exam. |
| 263 | * This also means she was responsible for Rarity's horn dragging her to that rock and Fluttershy and Rainbow Dash being bullied at flight camp; the Mane Six were all simultaneously being manipulated as just one more step in her plan to reunite the Elements of Harmony and save her sister from the Nightmare she'd become. |
| 264 | * Celestia may have had a large field of potential Element Bearers; the Mane Six probably were just in the right place at the right time to [[CallReceptionArea receive the call]] at the time of the Sonic Rainboom. |
| 265 | |
| 266 | [[WMG:Celestia not only told Ditzy/Derpy to go west and north to get the southbound birds so as to add her brand of 'merriment' to the Winter Round-up, she also paid her to drop all that stuff on Twilight Sparkle for cheap laughs.]] |
| 267 | Even a mastermind genius prankster like Celestia can't be everywhere spreading mirth. That means that she'd need a stooge or five hanging around to help mess with her subjects' heads; my guess is that someone with strabismus is being punished for some mild misdemeanor with community disservice. |
| 268 | |
| 269 | [[WMG:Derpy/Ditzy is Celestia in disguise.]] |
| 270 | Why else do we see the adult version of her hanging around when Twilight got her cutie mark? It could well be that Celestia does the occasional bit of covert surveillance on the Bearers of the Elements in her original form: a bluish-gray pegasus pony with a blond mane and amber eyes. The derped eyes and crazy antics are just her way of having fun. |
| 271 | ** Jossed, we see the two of them together in "No Second Prances" |
| 272 | |
| 273 | [[WMG:Celestia is [[IncrediblyLamePun grooming]] Twilight for a high-ranking position at court.]] |
| 274 | Related to the WMG above that Celestia is grooming Twilight to be her successor, but different. After all, why would an immortal [[GodEmperor Goddess-Princess]] need a successor? Besides which, if Celestia has no foals of her own, her legal heir would be her younger sister, Luna. No, she's training Twilight to someday hold an important political position at court: [[Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire Hoof of the Princess]]. Think about it: at the premiere social event of Equestrian society, Celestia kept Twilight at her side all night while all the other guests ''made their obeisances''. That's basically a declaration to the entire aristocracy of Equestria that they should get used to the idea of bowing to Twilight Sparkle. Also, Celestia didn't just send Twilight out to make friends just so that Twilight would be happier; she wanted Twilight to learn how to recruit political allies. And why Ponyville? It's a place where the previously sheltered Twilight could learn more about the lives of pony commoners. And what has Twilight been learning? How to manage and govern ponies. Just look at the events of "Winter Wrap-Up". |
| 275 | |
| 276 | [[WMG:Most of Equestria is descended from Celestia]] |
| 277 | Inspired by [[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Mr0QsrLVWDOQmX9H3AatBCDGCfT-ffxeoln62bk90V4/edit?hl=en_US this]] side-story to Fanfic/{{Progress}}. |
| 278 | * Though really she ''is'' royalty, a PhysicalGod, and a thousand years old, it just makes sense. |
| 279 | ** Series/{{QI}} taught us that statistically speaking most of Europe is descended from Charlemagne, so... |
| 280 | |
| 281 | [[WMG:Part of the reason Celestia arranged the Mane Cast to attend the Gala was to have genuinely good people there]] |
| 282 | The only genuinely good people we see at the entire thing are the Wonderbolts, everyone else seemed to really be a high and mighty JerkAss (''especially'' Prince Blueblood). She's been to the Gala over and over again for centuries and probably saw the exact same thing over and over again. Not only did she want to spice things up a little, she wanted to make it nicer by inviting people she ''knew'' were genuinely good. |
| 283 | * I beg to disagree, other than Prince Blueblood, none of the other guests were outright disrespectful to the cast unless they were interrupted or disturbed by them in some way. Formal parties do have rules and etiquette, things that none of the girls have knowledge of. All of them, with the exception of Rarity and Twilight, caused trouble for the guests so how did you expect them to act? I know if I had seen Pinkie Pie's antics I would have told her off too. |
| 284 | |
| 285 | [[WMG:Discord is Celestia's old Boyfriend.]] |
| 286 | Just getting this out there before the Season 2 Premier. Nine more days! |
| 287 | * Chances are they'll get [[FoeYayShipping shipped together]] anyways. |
| 288 | ** Now that we know what Discord looks like, if this is true, Celestia has some VERY strange tastes when it comes to men. |
| 289 | *** [[ButLiquorIsQuicker "HEY! Tequila was involved, get off me!"]] |
| 290 | *** "You have ''no'' idea how often she says that. It was quite the turn-on." |
| 291 | ** We do know that laughter is Discord's favorite of the Elements of Harmony, and it has been speculated, and not without reason, that that was the element, or one of the elements, wielded by Celestia, so that would fit. |
| 292 | |
| 293 | [[WMG:Celestia has been dead since Episode 2]] |
| 294 | Luna killed Celestia off-screen as revenge and took her place. Discord will be posing as Luna so that nopony will wonder why Luna hasn't appeared since her return. The two will be working together to destroy the main cast so both can conquer the world. |
| 295 | |
| 296 | [[WMG:Discord and Celestia used to date.]] |
| 297 | Their dialogue when Discord was in the stained glass just made me think of it, what with the way he's light and teasing while she is having none of it. I imagine she still holds some lingering attraction to him on a physical level. |
| 298 | |
| 299 | [[WMG:Celestia was actually corrupted in ''Return of Harmony Part 2'']] |
| 300 | She only sent back the Friendship Reports to get rid of what she now considered junk and to make life difficult for Spike. It just so happened that the corrupted Celestia [[SpannerInTheWorks unconsciously gave Twilight what she needed to get her friends back and fix everything.]] |
| 301 | |
| 302 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia didn't send any of the letters back.]] |
| 303 | Celestia had no idea the mane cast was acting the way they were, so why would she even bother to send those letters back to her? It was all Discord's doing. His influence caused Spike's mail sending whatever to be chaotic and send the letters back to him. Since this wasn't done normally, it's probably why Spike was in so much pain. |
| 304 | |
| 305 | [[WMG:Celestia can perform the Sonic Rainboom]] |
| 306 | ...I got nothing for reasoning, but then again this WMG doesn't need much explanation. |
| 307 | |
| 308 | [[WMG:Celestia knows Twilight has some "issues" but doesn't get her a psychologist because she's been treating them herself indirectly]] |
| 309 | The Season 2 Ep.3 breakdown that Twilight suffered from probably was a symptom of an older issue, hence being triggered by children laughing, and the fixation on the punishment being sent back to kindergarden, and is something Celestia is aware of. The reason Celestia was so mad when she came was because she had hoped support from her friends would of prevented Twilight from relapsing, and because she had hoped having friends would help ween Twilight from being both dependent on her acknowledgement and obsessed with her. She jumped on the opportunity of "Group Friendship Reports" because it would help all of them learn more about and support each other so that situations like the ep.3 breakdown don't happen again. |
| 310 | |
| 311 | [[WMG:Celestia is not Luna's sister...]] |
| 312 | [[FamilyRelationshipSwitcheroo ...She is her mother.]] |
| 313 | [[/folder]] |
| 314 | |
| 315 | [[folder:Princess Celestia (Part 2)]] |
| 316 | [[WMG:Celestia only teases for good]] |
| 317 | Crazy I know but listen to me while she does make things harder, in the end things DO always work out for the best. |
| 318 | |
| 319 | [[WMG:Celestia had a pink mane when she was younger.]] |
| 320 | Since we now see Luna having the flowing energy mane like Celestia has, as opposed to the regular mane in her first appearance, it's possible that Alicorns start off with a regular mane and get an energy one when they get older. In the storybooks recounting old tales involving the princesses, Celestia is always colored pink. It would also explain why the toy version of her is pink as well. |
| 321 | * Alternately, Celestia had a ''blue'' mane when she was younger, just a brighter blue than Luna's; Unlike with Cadance, Luna, Twilight, and Rainbow, Celestia's mane's outline is as multi-coloured as her mane, making it hard to tell that way what colour her mane originally was. However, the only non-moving part of her mane, something Luna has, too, is that lighter green-tinted blue. She's simply coloured pink so she's easier to pick out from Luna in the pictures at a glance, because the other colours in Celestia's mane (mint green, indigo, the blue her mane is lined in) all implement blue in some way, either by being blue or being a mix of blue and another colour. Pink makes her easily stick out from the blue Luna, and also, [[FridgeBrilliance unlike green, purple, and blue, pink is a warm colour, and daytime is warm, where nighttime is cold]]. The reason her toy is pink can be explained in-universe by her outline being pink (when in reality, it was ExecutiveMeddling). The outline thing for her body would also explain why when drawn, Celestia is pink. |
| 322 | |
| 323 | [[WMG:Celestia became a troll when she first tried to connect with her subjects]] |
| 324 | In Luna Eclipsed, Luna was only really embraced when she embraced their fear of her and started intentionally scaring them, maybe Celestia went through something similar after Luna was banished. |
| 325 | * Though formality reasserted itself in between, so Celestia has been trolling to reestablish a laxer attitude with Twilight |
| 326 | |
| 327 | [[WMG:Celestia will be corrupted by the same force that turned Luna into Nightmare Moon]] |
| 328 | She will be far more powerful and dangerous than Luna was, however Luna will figure into the conflict by, via the concepts behind a lunar eclipse, be able to temporarily block or even completely negate Celestia's powers for a long enough period that the Mane Cast can wham her with the Elements of Harmony. |
| 329 | |
| 330 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia has other reasons for the Friendship Reports.]] |
| 331 | It could be, bear with me, it could just be me, but Princess Celestia has been around for more than a millennia, and seen the ponies living by everyday, being friendly and living in harmony. Could it be possible that the reason that the Princess actually asking Twilight to give her the Friendship Reports would be that she's never had any... friends? Think about it: she's been around for a long time, but because of her status as sovereign ruler of Equestria, every other pony out there wouldn't treat her like a friend, but someone outside that circle: ponies are subconsciously afraid of her. Not to say that she hasn't made the effort, but since she's royalty, every time she tries, it just doesn't work out properly: she's always treated like the Immortal God-Empress of Marekind she is against her will than the Mare-Next-Door you ask to hang out with you at the doughnut shop. |
| 332 | |
| 333 | It could be, in my opinion, that Twilight is essentially there to scout the Magic of Friendship that she's been missing out all these years, and essentially (at least by proxy) make Twilight's friends her friends as well. In my eyes, Celestia really, really wants to make friends and enjoy life as her student Twilight is, but ultimately cannot because of what she is. I think deep inside she wants to buck apples with Applejack; try on new dresses with Rarity; race and tussle with Rainbow Dash; party like it's 1999 with Pinkie Pie and giggle about that studly Big Mac with Fluttershy. Twilight's letters serve a double purpose in this sense: for Twilight, it's a lesson to be learned; for Celestia, it's a little window to a world she knows she can not enter. |
| 334 | * I like this theory a lot... but wow, poor Celestia. |
| 335 | |
| 336 | [[WMG:The "friendship reports" were created to be Celestia's eyes and ears all over her realm.]] |
| 337 | I imagine that Celestia has a "protege" in every corner of Equestria periodically sending back intelligence in the form of heartwarming life lessons learned so C. can both get a psychological profile of her subjects and ensure nopony is planning a rebellion. |
| 338 | |
| 339 | [[WMG:Celestia's only ever turned Discord to stone]] |
| 340 | Discord simply mistook ordinary statues Celestia moved into her garden as other enemies she had turned to stone. While ordinary statues would be a more logical thing for Discord to conclude, he might have thought that there's no way Princess Celestia would seriously just toss him in an ordinary garden and put ordinary statues around him. Of course, applying logic to Discord is also pretty invalid since what fun is there in making sense. |
| 341 | * Or he knew perfectly well that they were ordinary statues and was just trying to, you know, ''sow discord''. |
| 342 | |
| 343 | [[WMG:The normally calm and in-control Princess Celestia will suffer a MASSIVE mental breakdown.]] |
| 344 | She was incredibly serious in the first episode of this season, so maybe it'll show a more expressive side of Celestia. And since all the Mane Six have had a mental breakdown in some form during Season One, there's a possibility that Celestia could wind up having her own meltdown. For whatever reason, it could vary. |
| 345 | * This could also apply for other emotions that Celestia would express outside of the mental breakdown. |
| 346 | ** Bonus if she shows some genuine emotion for both Twilight and Luna. Cadance, Blueblood, et al not withstanding, Twi and Luna are pretty much the only family she really has. |
| 347 | |
| 348 | [[WMG:Someone will prank Princess Celestia by painting her pink.]] |
| 349 | As a nod to the toys. Also, Celestia loves to do small pranks on others now and then. |
| 350 | * Considering a white "brony edition" Celestia is supposed to be released in Fall 2012, that pretty much negates this. |
| 351 | |
| 352 | [[WMG:Pink!Celestia is not really Celestia, but is another pony.]] |
| 353 | * One that frequently [[{{Cosplay}} cos]][[CosplayOtakuGirl plays]] as her. |
| 354 | * She doesn't change her fur color to keep ponies from mistaking her for the real Celestia. |
| 355 | |
| 356 | [[WMG:They will kill off Celestia by the end of the season.]] |
| 357 | See MentorOccupationalHazard . |
| 358 | * "Kill off" might be too strong a word [[NobodyCanDie considering the nature of the show.]] PutOnABus, perhaps? |
| 359 | ** Besides, I doubt they would do something like that pretty early-ish in the show. Maybe in TheMovie. |
| 360 | ** Jossed, at least for season two. |
| 361 | |
| 362 | [[WMG:Celestia is trying to start [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Instrumentality]]]] |
| 363 | She wants to make all ponies one, which is why she is researching friendship. |
| 364 | |
| 365 | [[WMG:Celestia was lying about Discord being the former ruler of Equestria, and the real story is much more tragic.]] |
| 366 | It's clear that she and Discord have a past together, and she expresses a serious and stern attitude about and towards him, however, it's possible that she may have a skeleton in her closet about him. If anything, Discord didn't become the Spirit of Chaos and Disharmony until something happened between him and Celestia. They were probably former friends, and he betrayed her at some point, or he had a crush on her, but she turned him down and called him a "freak". Needless to say, Celestia's rejection broke him. Eventually, he went crazy, and went around manipulating ponies and spreading disharmony and unhappiness with his incredible power, claiming that if he can't be happy, than no one else can. Celestia and Luna then turned him into stone with the Elements of Harmony, which were discovered and used LONG before then, and Celestia made up the story of him ruling Equestria before she and her sister stood up to him after discovering the Elements of Harmony to cover up this shocking secret. |
| 367 | |
| 368 | [[WMG:Celestia is the mother of [[Franchise/SailorMoon Helios]]]]. |
| 369 | Both are white color Alicorns. Both have connection to the sun, Celestia controlling it and Helios being named after the Greek God. Both of them care deeply for a person with a Moon theme and also have connections to MagicalGirl. |
| 370 | |
| 371 | [[WMG:Fancy Pant's fillyfriend was Celestia in disguise]] |
| 372 | Note the unusual character design and pink hair. |
| 373 | * To be more specific, she's a recycled use of Luna's [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E2ElementsOfHarmony Season 1]] model, with the colors of the younger Celestia from the Season One opener. If I may, I'd like to expand this into a complete fanfic concept. The fillyfriend, here-to-after referred to as Fleur deLis, is indeed Celestia in disguise, so she can mingle among the not-royals and learn more about how the government should be run. She also takes note of what kind of prank can be most effective on everypony in the event she feels like going Trollestia later. She hangs around as a Trophy Fillyfriend to Fancy Pants because he's the only pony in Canterlot who is even REMOTELY tolerable to her after 1000 Galas. Fleur de Lis makes all those overtly-affectionate and obnoxiously-sexy poses all the time as a cover as a French (Prench?) supermodel. After all, would YOU expect Celestia to do those kind of poses constantly? No, you wouldn't, because that's not Celestia's personality type. The different Cutie Mark can be explained as white paint and a stencil, white paint and artistic skill, white paint and a trusted hoofmaiden with said art ability, or even an orphan with said artistic ability Celestia took in, which would be viewed as, "Awww, our princess really does care about everypony," by the general public. Whether Fancy Pants actually KNOWS he's really with the princess is still a matter of debate. |
| 374 | |
| 375 | [[WMG:Alternatively, Fleur de Lis is Celestia's bastard daughter.]] |
| 376 | The father might even be Fancypants, since there is technically nothing indicating that Fleur is his wife/girlfriend. Her affections could be explained by saying she's family. Being such a decent fellow, Fancy gained Celestia's favor in his youth and fathered a daughter by her. |
| 377 | |
| 378 | [[WMG:Celestia will be taken over by the same evil force that took over Luna.]] |
| 379 | Like Luna, she will take an "evil" form and go by something along the lines of "Hellfire Sun", flaming mane and all. Luna will enlist the help of the Mane Cast so they can use the Elements of Harmony and purge the evil from Celestia like they did with Luna. |
| 380 | |
| 381 | [[WMG:Celestia was deliberately keeping Twilight friendless.]] |
| 382 | Celestia knew Twilight was to become the Element of Magic, and had an idea on who else could become the other Elements, and they were in Ponyville. Celestia couldn't afford to let Twilight have other friends (Spike functioning more as family) that could compete with Twilight's affections and ability to recognize the proper Elements. |
| 383 | |
| 384 | [[WMG:Celestia ''couldn't'' use the Elements of Harmony.]] |
| 385 | The reason why she keeps saying "the elements aren't bound to her anymore" is because the Elements require at least two ponies for their expression; they're all the things that make up a good ''friendship''. When Luna was banished to the Moon, Celestia lost her only real friend. |
| 386 | |
| 387 | [[WMG:Celestia only gave Twilight one extra ticket because she figured only Rarity wanted to actually go to the Gala.]] |
| 388 | Let's assume that Twilight wrote some letters between "The Elements of Harmony" and "The Ticket Master", and so Celestia knows the personalities of the Mane cast pretty well. Let's look at how she would expect them to respond: |
| 389 | * Applejack: A rough-and-tumble farm girl who hates the idea of dresses. Too fancy for her. |
| 390 | * Fluttershy: Terminally introverted. Would not want to deal with so many strangers all at once. |
| 391 | * Pinkie Pie: Prefers casual parties to formal gatherings. Would get bored with it being so subdued. |
| 392 | * Rainbow Dash: Athletic and loud. Would hate just standing around and talking quietly. |
| 393 | * Rarity: Has aspirations of class and a desire to become a part of high society. Actually wants to go. |
| 394 | * Spike: Sees it as girly (or so he says). Doesn't want to go. |
| 395 | * Twilight Sparkle: As the personal apprentice of the Princess, she has spent some time in the Royal Court. At the very least, she knows how to handle herself in such a situation. |
| 396 | ** In short, the only ones Celestia actually expected to want to go would be Twilight and Rarity. Too bad she didn't factor in ulterior motives... |
| 397 | ** Alternatively, she might have been expecting Twilight to being ''Spike'' along, since he was probably with Twilight for at least some of her time in the royal court and seemed to socialize more in Canterlot than Twilight herself did. Plus there's a buffet. And given the loose timeframe, it's possible that she sent the tickets ''before'' she got to know Twilight's friends very well, hence not considering inviting them. |
| 398 | |
| 399 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia really needs Twilight Sparkle to study friendship for her...]] ...because she doesn't quite understand how the Elements of Harmony work. When she first used the Elements thousands of years ago, she had five friends (who have since died, most likely) that made it possible, but none of them knew they were the literal elements. Celestia had no idea why the Elements of Harmony worked, just that they did. She of course, began to study it, and came to understand it to some degree, but by then she needed someone new to wield the elements while she studied them, since she no longer could. |
| 400 | |
| 401 | [[WMG:Princess celestia was once the bearer of the Element of Generosity]] |
| 402 | her necklace and crown have the same diamond shape on them as rarity's element. As the crown looks like twilight's element, but with a diamond instead of a star, this suggests that it was once the main element of an earlier group, much like friendship/magic is the main element of the current group. The diamond suggests that she once had a diamond cutie mark, much like rarity's. and, this is kind of a seperate one, but when she ascended to become the god-princess, the sun overwrote her old cutie mark, as she first and foremost is the bringer of the sun, as opposed to something before that. |
| 403 | |
| 404 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia isn't actually a troll/jerk/insert derogatory statement here.]] |
| 405 | Yeah, yeah, blasphemy. But I'm sick and tired of how everyone treats her like she's Pony-Hitler... |
| 406 | ** Actually, if anything, she's more like King Jigme Wanchuk of Bhutan -- more concerned about [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_National_Happiness Gross National Happiness]] and stuff along those lines. Like Jigme, she's an autocratic ruler (well, like him until he changed Bhutan into a parliamentary democracy) but uses it for good than anything else. Though Canterlot is supposed to obviously mimic the British royalty and aristocracy, I suspect it's daily dealings are more similar to that of Dechencholing Palace than Buckingham's. |
| 407 | |
| 408 | [[WMG:Had the Flim-Flam bros. won ''and'' kept the popularity of the ponies, Celestia would have vetoed their victory due to the closeness of the Apples]] |
| 409 | This might seem weird, but take this into consideration: Not only would the very pony that kickstarted Ponyville have to move, but also a holder of an ''Element of Harmony''. I don't think Celestia would approve of splitting up the Elements. |
| 410 | |
| 411 | [[WMG:The Celestia toy is Celestia's evil form]] |
| 412 | Hence its a garish pink, and says vapid and vain things. |
| 413 | |
| 414 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia actually isn't the {{Chessmaster}} the fandom likes to make her out to be.]] |
| 415 | I'm willing to give her having had a hoof in arranging things for the return of Nightmare Moon, seeing how she had advance warning there (and may in fact have known how long the banishment would last right from the start) and would have had good ''personal'' reasons to want to be prepared. Most everything since, though, can just as easily be explained by her centuries if not millennia of job experience in dealing with surprises as they happen (while maintaining the Royal Canterlot Poker Face for the benefit of her subjects, of course). |
| 416 | |
| 417 | [[WMG:Celestia did not banish Nightmare Moon the first time.]] |
| 418 | Godly power aside, nopony can wield ThePowerOfFriendship alone. Nightmare Moon was actually banished by the Mane Six during a time-traveling escapade. Celestia took the credit in order to prevent a time paradox, and used this knowledge to seek out the Mane Six and arrange for them to get together, hence how she knew that Twilight would easily find five other Element Bearers in Ponyville. |
| 419 | |
| 420 | [[WMG:In "Royal Canterlot Wedding", Princess Celestia knew that Cadance [[spoiler:was a Changeling.]]]] |
| 421 | She and Luna knew about the [[spoiler:Changelings]], and knew that they would be attracted to the Royal Wedding, so that was why security was so stringent. She noticed her niece acting strangely and watched her, but it wasn't until Twilight arrived that Celestia knew for certain. The only reason she didn't do anything about it at first was because she wanted Twilight and Shining Armor to learn to trust each other more. |
| 422 | |
| 423 | She didn't tell Luna about Cadance because she thought that the socially awkward and formal pony would overreact and spoil the plan. |
| 424 | |
| 425 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia is ''extremely'' out of practice when it comes to combat.]] |
| 426 | Which is why she lost so badly in her only on screen fight. A thousand years of benevolent rule really doesn't help one get ready to rumble. |
| 427 | |
| 428 | [[WMG:Celestia is immortal]] |
| 429 | Come on, think about it. She looks the same as she did when Granny Smith was a youngster. She hasn't aged at all, and Granny Smith is now a hobbling old grandma. It doesn't hurt that she is an alicorn. Also, Luna was banished for how long? 1,000 years? She's been a mid-twenty year old for centuries. |
| 430 | |
| 431 | [[WMG:Celestia was holding back in her BeamOWar with Chrysalis]] |
| 432 | Remember the [[WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague world made of cardboard]]? Celestia is that powerful. If her attack was too strong, it would have destroyed Canterlot Castle and killed everypony inside. She believes that her own defeat with little destruction will be preferable to defeating Chrysalis with massive destruction. This will probably lead to an IAmNotLeftHanded moment where she does unleash her full power out of sheer desperation. |
| 433 | * Alternately, the Beam was a telekinetic desperation attack. Celestia's [[ThePowerOfTheSun sun-based powers]] are more likely the DeathFromAbove / KillSat type, using those indoors is out. She probably could just teleport Chrysalis to the Sun, but with Shining Armour in play she would need her full attention for that. She was trying to overpower Chrysalis for long enough to cast something nasty and underestimated the boost from ThePowerOfLove. |
| 434 | |
| 435 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia is the [[ParodyReligion Invisible Pink Unicorn]]]] |
| 436 | The toymakers keep screwing up and making the pink visible. |
| 437 | * But she's white. And visible. And not a unicorn. |
| 438 | ** To the contrary, she is very light pink rather than pure white, and is a unicorn (as well as a pegasus and an earth pony). |
| 439 | |
| 440 | [[WMG:Celestia is [[Franchise/TouhouProject Yukari Yumako]].]] |
| 441 | Basically Yukari and Celestia are both well respected rulers of magical lands, are both huge trolls, have long flowing hair, are elegant, Yukari literally means purple which is one of Celestia's hair colours, they both own weird magical pets and they both have a close friendship with one of the main characters Long story short I think it would make sense if Celestia was either a reincarnation or ponified version of Yukari. |
| 442 | |
| 443 | [[WMG:Celestia's natural coat color is pink.]] |
| 444 | And her toy color has been accurate all along. |
| 445 | * So she dyes? |
| 446 | ** It would explain why Mayor Mare feels the need to dye. |
| 447 | |
| 448 | [[WMG:Celestia isn't as strong as she should be.]] |
| 449 | This is a bit out there, but it makes sense. Celestia's duel with Chrysalis is proof enough. Celestia is over a thousand years old, and has most likely learned more than enough spells to wipe Chrysalis off the face of the planet. But she didn't. My theory is that since Celestia hasn't had to do much magic other than teleportation and levitation in the past thousand years, she's lost part of her power. |
| 450 | |
| 451 | [[WMG:The letters Twilight sends to Celestia are intended to help the Princess with social awkwardness.]] |
| 452 | She has never had a friend, being a goddess, and she hasn't had a sister in a millennium. When taking Twilight under her wing to control her amazing powers, that was the first time she'd ever really gotten close to anyone. Most of what she says is just copypasta Princess-like stuff that she'd just become accustomed to, but when the little unicorn wants to form a relationship with her mentor deeper than that of a subject and her ruler, Celestia realizes for the first time that she has completely forgotten normal etiquette. |
| 453 | |
| 454 | The original deal with getting Twilight to Ponyville was to help with Nightmare, and the stuff with learning about friendship was as much for Twilight as it was for the Princess, but the letters are solely Celestia's attempt to improve her own character. And it seems to be working, judging by her more recent dialogue. |
| 455 | |
| 456 | [[WMG:Celestia has Twilight learning about friendship solely for Twilight's own sake.]] |
| 457 | Think about it, being immortal, You'd think Celestia would already know at least half of the lessons Twilight has sent her, and it's been made clear that even before Twilight even met Celestia that Twilight was more focused on her studies than on friends. And Twilight's years |
| 458 | living with Celestia likely gave Celestia plenty of time to analyze Twilight's behavior, and Celestia could have already figured how Nightmare Moon's return was gonna happen and figured how she could take 2 bird with one stone in both getting her sister back and helping Twilight be more sociable with what she already pulled off in the first episode. And therefore Celestia might've had Twilight do these friendship reports as a means of helping Twilight be more sociable in a way that she'd be most comfortable with. |
| 459 | |
| 460 | [[WMG:Celestia is actually the evil vet from WesternAnimation/CourageTheCowardlyDog.]] |
| 461 | Which is why everyone gets sent to the moon. |
| 462 | |
| 463 | [[WMG:Celestia was formerly Sundance from G1...]] |
| 464 | And G1 and G4 are actually in the same continuity. [[http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/G1_Sundance#Sundance Sundance]] is a pony that's depicted with a white coat and pink mane, much like Celestia is commonly portrayed as when she's young, and is Megan's One Special Pony. At some point, Megan stopped returning to Ponyland, and the harmony between the ponies crumbled, resulting in the story seen in Hearth Warming Eve. |
| 465 | |
| 466 | After the founding of Equestria, Discord decided to arrive and screw everything up. |
| 467 | |
| 468 | A rebellion lead by Sundance to use the Rainbow of Light on Discord failed, and he put a bounty on her head. This caused Sundance and her accomplice, the former Baby Moondancer, to change their names to Celestia and Luna, and go into hiding. (Which may make Luna and Celestia NotBloodSiblings.) While in hiding the discover the Elements of Harmony and (through some magical contrivance) they become Alicorns and immortal- [[TheChosenOne chosen by the Elements to lead Equestria into harmony.]] (This doesn't apply to the Mane6, because they were chosen to be holders of the Elements, not rule Equestria.) |
| 469 | |
| 470 | (Sorry if there are any holes relating to the G1 continuity, I'm not very knowledgeable on G1, beyond the Escape from Katrina special.) |
| 471 | |
| 472 | [[WMG:Celestia has been severely weakened by Twilight.]] |
| 473 | This theory goes with Lesson Zero and the royal wedding. Celestia is over a thousand years old, meaning she's had a lot of time to learn loads of spells. She'd even be able to master combat spells, even though they'd be rare in Equestria. Fast forward to the royal wedding and Chrysalis absolutely DESTROYS Celestia, she didn't even seem to try. |
| 474 | |
| 475 | But if you go back to the Lesson Zero episode, you see that Twilight's strong enough to brainwash an entire town full of ponies to obsess over something smaller than her head. It must've taken a hell of a lot of power for Celestia to get rid of that power. Thus, her easy loss to Chrysalis in Canterlot. Twilight has unintentionally weakened her mentor through her own special talent, which makes sense if you think about it. |
| 476 | |
| 477 | [[WMG:Celestia was the Element of Magic]] |
| 478 | One, she's shown wearing the crown in the opening of the first episode, but she was wearing all six at the time. She seems to use some of King Sombra's magic in the season 3 premier while explaining things to Twilight. She copied it from him like Twilight can copy magic. |
| 479 | |
| 480 | [[WMG:Celestia had Chrysalis stage the invasion of Canterlot]] |
| 481 | First, there's the Changeling's GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere status, in contrast to all other threats in story which are resurfaces of sealed evil from over a millennium ago. Then there is the inconsistencies in both Chrysalis' plans for domination and her defeat. And, of course, there's how easy it was for Celestia to lose and how the changelings just happened to know to keep the Elements of Harmony out of play. Celestia suspected that the Crystal Empire would return soon, and she knew she would have to stop Sombra again when it did, this time for good, but that Twilight and/or Cadence would have to be the ones to do so. So she went to the Badlands and found the changelings, and talked Chrysalis into leading a false coup on Canterlot during the wedding as a test/lesson for Cadence and Twilight to see if they had what it took. Chrysalis agreed 'cause it meant a solid meal and a chance to scare some poor schmucks for a day, and if the trip home left some bruises, it was WorthIt. Luna was kept out of the loop because she would have protested such a risky and underhanded trial, and now she's doubly pissed Big Sister's rescue scheme. |
| 482 | |
| 483 | [[WMG:A hypothetical Nightmare Celestia would be an AffablyEvil Chessmaster prone to DissonantSerenity.]] |
| 484 | If you compare Luna and Nightmare Moon, they aren't too different character-wise. They're both DeadpanSnarker [[LargeHam Large Hams]] with a thing for the macabre and seem to prefer brute force solutions to problems. However the possession works, it seems to take preexisting traits and make them more inclined towards evil, as opposed to simply turning you into an outright CardCarryingVillain. So if we ever got a Nightmare Celestia, she'd be charming, polite, and relentlessly calm except for the rare moments when you catch her off guard. |
| 485 | |
| 486 | [[WMG:Celestia genuinely didn't know King Sombra was loose or that he was as dangerous as he was.]] |
| 487 | Celestia mentions Sombra, but doesn't warn Twilight about him or give her the Elements. Keep in mind, Celestia's knowledge of the Empire is also limited, so she likely didn't know of the Crystal Heart either. She and Luna imprisoned Sombra and the Empire vanished, but it's possible Sombra was taken off guard and defeated before he could show off his threat to the Royal Pony Sisters. Shining Armor and Cadence didn't seem to know about Sombra's return either until they actually got there (they were on the way when Twilight was dispatched). Celestia may have thought it was possible King Sombra would return, but she believed Twilight and company would be more than a match for him if he did. She didn't know of the traps he'd set or how dangerous they were, or that it'd take an ancient relic to destroy him. Unlike Discord, who's her archenemy, all she knew about Sombra was he was a horrible tyrant and had some degree of black magic she managed to learn. The fact Sombra had set so many traps and how dangerous they'd be, as well as what Sombra himself could do (such as spreading dark crystals across the entire empire in ''seconds'' and nullify unicorns' magic). Finding out he'd come within a hairsbreadth of winning was as much a surprise to her as everyone else. |
| 488 | |
| 489 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia makes the stained glass windows that show the triumphs of the Mane Cast.]] |
| 490 | Everyone needs a hobby. |
| 491 | |
| 492 | [[WMG:In "Return of Harmony", Celestia didn't purposefully send the friendship reports back to Spike in order to restore Twilight.]] |
| 493 | Instead, she was sending them back because Discord had "discorded" her. In her altered mindset, she came across her student's letters and started sending them back in disgust. [[HoistByHisOwnPetard This, of course, led to Discord being defeated.]] |
| 494 | |
| 495 | [[WMG:Celestia was different during Luna's exile.]] |
| 496 | Throughout the series we've seen Twilight having panic attacks over how her mentor might react to relatively benign situations. Generally written off as Twilight's usual OCD antics, what if they are in fact indicative of actual past behavior on Celestia's part? Imagine, if you will, Equestria, 1000 years to the day prior to episode 1. Princess Celestia, having ruled alongside her sister since Discord's defeat, is forced to banish Luna to the moon to quell an uprising that would (presumably) have spelled doom for the land. Having had this tragic breakdown in the one stable relationship in her eternal life, she takes the full duties of the diarchy and soldiers on, continuing their work toward making Equestria the paradise they had dreamed of alone. We know that royal etiquette and behaviors were not as amiable back then as now, so for all we know the years of emotional isolation and stresses of rule and keeping the sky running took their toll on her. This would be the Celestia that took Twilight under her wing. A Celestia with all the {{Chessmaster}} tendencies and occasional sternness of the current one in a hard shell. She may very well have banished other ponies and imprisoned them in the place they were banished to. Magic Kindergarten is probably just Twilight overreacting though... |
| 497 | * Or underreacting... |
| 498 | |
| 499 | [[WMG:Celestia's special talent is magic.]] |
| 500 | Her special talent is not raising the sun, but rather, it's magic. Raising the sun is simply her signature spell, just as Rarity's gems are a signature in her fashion designs. |
| 501 | |
| 502 | [[WMG:Celestia had an ulterior motive in releasing Discord.]] |
| 503 | Celestia mentions that her attendance is required at something called the Royal Summit in Canterlot. 'Royal Summit' sounds like an event that would involve the world's most influential and powerful politicians all gathering in one place. So it kind of seems weird timing on her part to release a foe who, in his first episode, caused Celestia to visibly [[OhCrap shit a brick]]. What's her game? |
| 504 | * Best Case Scenario: |
| 505 | ::: She's hoping Discord will cause a disaster so she has an excuse to blow-off the summit. |
| 506 | * Worst Case: |
| 507 | ::: This is some kind of [[Franchise/JamesBond Bond villain]] plot to have [[PlausibleDeniability Discord eliminate world leaders]]; clearing the way for Celestia to take over the world. |
| 508 | * SummonBiggerFish / EnemyMine: |
| 509 | ::: Something is coming down the pike that she thinks Discord's power is necessary to fight... wait, that's the Season 4 finale. |
| 510 | |
| 511 | [[WMG:Celestia released Discord to avoid having him (inevitably) escape later, under worse circumstances]] |
| 512 | When he's [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E1TheReturnOfHarmonyPart1 freed accidentally]], Celestia says that the reason for the spell breaking was that she and Luna were no longer connected to the Elements of Harmony. So... now that the bearers of the Elements are no longer the incredibly-long-lived-if-not-immortal Celestia and Luna, but several normal, ''mortal'' ponies, the spell keeping Discord [[TakenForGranite contained]] probably would have become breakable ''again'' as soon as one of them died! Which, from Celestia's long-lived perspective, would be happening worryingly soon: for the last thousand years she'd thought she could safely ignore him, but suddenly he was a pressing concern again, despite being "contained". And not only that, but it would happen at the worst possible time, when there wouldn't even be six Elements ''available'' to contain him again. Finding a replacement (or, more likely, six new bearers, since they all have to be friends for it to work) would probably be a long and difficult task, and meanwhile Discord would be running amok. And it would keep happening, over and over, because the new bearers would probably also be mortals. Having to deal with a new reign of terror every few decades or so is obviously an untenable situation, so Celestia decided to nip it in the bud by releasing him in a more controlled way. And if they had failed to reform him, she probably would have just waited a year or two (long enough for the Mane Six to grow and learn, and hopefully have a better shot, but not so long there'd be much danger of one of them dying in the meantime) and had them try again. |
| 513 | |
| 514 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia is two-faced]] |
| 515 | She is genuinely kind and gentle toward her friends and loved ones, but she's more than happy letting them get away with criminal behavior when it's directed toward ponies she doesn't know/like. Even when Twilight mind controlled the entire town over some imagined concern, she was glad to have an excuse not to punish her any more harshly than a stern lecture, or when Luna almost destroyed the country, she wanted an excuse to not have her face treason charges. Meanwhile, her tacit approval of the Mane Cast's complete ruination of the Grand Galloping Gala is couched in the "I was bored of it" excuse, but when you realize she's the most powerful and beloved public figure, any excuse about how much she doesn't like it rings hollow because she's got enough influence that people would be tripping over themselves to accommodate her. She seems to hold the snooty, upper cruft people in contempt, but it goes beyond the standard "I've dealt with these obnoxious people for the last thousand years, give me some slack" route, and right into "I will happily let grievous physical harm happen to these people I don't like before I will ever consider approaching them with my concerns like a mature adult". Perhaps it's the concept of familiarity breeds contempt (and the last thousand years, she's become very familiar with these people indeed). The novelty of the Mane Cast amuses her, and as such is more than happy to ignore their more extreme, dangerous and contemptible behavior. |
| 516 | * As for Luna, assuming you mean Nightmare Moon, trapping her in the moon for 1000 years may well have actually been Luna's punishment for treason. Do bear in mind that it would likely be a life sentence for anypony else. As for Celestia being able to get the courtiers to change, do bear in mind that the Equestrian Monarchy predates Equestria itself. Therefore, it is actually reasonable to assume Celestia CAN'T change many of the traditions. |
| 517 | ** And the first thing Luna does when she returns? Attempt to usurp control of the country and plunge the land into eternal darkness ''again''. And we've seen how sycophantic the upper crust is with Fancy Pants. Can you imagine how they'd be toward Princess Celestia? |
| 518 | |
| 519 | [[WMG:What Celestia did with anyone who rebelled against her.]] |
| 520 | Why haven't there been any rebel groups trying to take down Princess Celestia? Because she killed them all. Their deaths were used as examples of why you should ''never'' displease your princess. |
| 521 | |
| 522 | [[WMG:Celestia is actually Lauren Faust in disguise.]] |
| 523 | |
| 524 | [[WMG:Lauren Faust is actually Celestia in disguise.]] |
| 525 | |
| 526 | [[WMG:Celestia had good reasons for wanting to reform Discord]] |
| 527 | Part of it is that he's practically a chaos-timebomb ticking down until his next escape, not to mention that the statue's location is practically next to Canterlot (which it, of course, needs to be to keep an eye on him). The second reason is that Discord is fully aware while in statue form, and Celestia probably knew this. No matter how evil he was, she couldn't justify doing that to a creature. She decided it was better to try and reform him than let even more hatred grow inside him and keep panicking over when his next outbreak would come for the rest of her life, and dump this burden on the next generation when she died. |
| 528 | * If nothing else, seeing what happened to King Sombra might have prompted this. |
| 529 | |
| 530 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia is gay and has spent some time in the closet.]] |
| 531 | Which is where the phrase "By Celestia's beard!" came from. |
| 532 | |
| 533 | (Please don't take this seriously.) |
| 534 | |
| 535 | [[WMG:Celestia is a BigEater.]] |
| 536 | The photo of her gorging herself in Ponyville Confidential was legitimate and an accurate portrayal of her eating habits. Princess Celestia is frigging enormous compared to the other ponies and has an appetite to match. |
| 537 | |
| 538 | [[WMG:Celestia planned for the Elements to transform Twilight.]] |
| 539 | She asked the Mane 6 to reform Discord as an excuse to get Twilight to keep the Elements nearby; if they failed, "for safety", if they succeeded, "just in case." She then sent Twilight Starswirl's spell, knowing she would read it near the Elements, cause the cutie mark swap, force Twilight to learn the magic of friendship, and use the conveniently nearby Elements to transform her into an alicorn. Princess Celestia planned the whole thing for Twilight's ascension. |
| 540 | |
| 541 | [[WMG:Celestia stole her name from another ''male'' entity who was just as harsh towards punishment as everyone feared Celestia would be.]] |
| 542 | The term "By Celestia's beard!" implies there was a male with Celestia's name and considering everypony's fear of Celestia performing harsh punishments on ponies that failed her it's likely the male Celestia was a tyrant who mistreated ponies and ended up getting his name stolen by Princess Celestia as a trophy. |
| 543 | * Worse the monster is associated with the evil that possessed Princess Luna and Princess Luna's big sister is possessed by this entity and has secretly trying to off the Mane Cast: |
| 544 | |
| 545 | 1st attempt was by using the Tickets to cause infighting so that they would ''kill'' each other. when that failed due to Twilight sending the Tickets back Celestia send more Tickets in an attempt to hide his female host's possession. |
| 546 | |
| 547 | 2nd attempt was to throw them at a Dragon(which he told to sleep near Ponyville for this reason) which ended up failing due to Fluttershy. |
| 548 | |
| 549 | 3rd attempt was to use the ''Sun'' to burn Rarity's wings so that she's fall to her death which failed because Rainbow Dash achieved a Sonic Rainboom and saved Rarity. |
| 550 | |
| 551 | 4th attempt was to bring Philomena(who may not be a real Phoenix at all but instead the original male Celestia's [[Dragon Dragon]]) so that she could arrange an "accident" and kill Fluttershy which failed due to Philomena's incompetence by the time Celestia got back from "business". |
| 552 | |
| 553 | 5th attempt was to use the Galloping Gala to have them cause enough random chaos so that he could use an "accident" to kill them without drawing attention to himself or his host(Luna's big sister). |
| 554 | |
| 555 | 6th attempt was to have the Changeling Queen kill the Mane Cast which failed due to Chrysalis' incompetence. |
| 556 | |
| 557 | 7th attempt was to send the Mane Cast to the Crystal Empire to die which failed because Twilight being willing to fail the test. |
| 558 | |
| 559 | 8th attempt was to get Fluttershy killed by Discord while the 'True''(and also male) Celestia arranges for a means to brainwash Discord into being his slave(reformation spell). |
| 560 | |
| 561 | 9th attempt was to use the destiny spell to cause problems that would likely end up killing one or more of the Mane Cast(and if the completed spell turns ponies into either immortal Alicorns or into Alicorn ghosts he's assured that at least the Element of Magic doesn't change hooves to a pony that would distrust his host and be willing to turn on her. |
| 562 | |
| 563 | 10th and most recent attempt was to send Twilight to the Mirror World so that she might die which thanks to the power of friendship failed. |
| 564 | |
| 565 | [[WMG:Nightmare Celestia would be an AscendedMeme of [[RonTheDeathEater Trollestia]]/[[MemeticMolester Molestia]]. ]] |
| 566 | The writers know their fan-base and the popular memes they've inspired (I'm looking at you Muffin Mare), and Tyrant Celestia is rather popular one. Nightmare Celestia/Nightmare Sun/Mourning Star would act as a LawfulEvil tyrant who'd [[DisproportionateRetribution banish anypony who doesn't follow the rules]], and will [[CainAndAbel despise Luna.]] She might even try to cause an EndlessDaytime if she suffers a VillainousBreakdown. As for the Molestia meme, they can't show it but that doesn't mean [[HomoeroticSubtext they can't imply it]]. |
| 567 | |
| 568 | [[WMG:Celestia had a ulterior motive for Ascending Twilight]] |
| 569 | Namely...it was her way to apologize for what happened at the Wedding. |
| 570 | |
| 571 | [[WMG:The Season 4 Premiere was a BatmanGambit XanatosSpeedChess]] |
| 572 | Think about it: [[spoiler:Discord threw the seeds in an attempt to disarm the Elements. It took 1000 or so years too long, and by that time, he got unsealed, ''re''sealed, unsealed again, and turned good. Celestia never explained why they should turn Discord good, but from her wording when the Mane Six gave away the Elements, it's a pretty good guess that she knew about the seeds and turned Discord good just to avoid him wreaking havoc once everything is said and done.]] |
| 573 | |
| 574 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia glows in the dark.]] |
| 575 | She is the embodiment and controller of the Sun and day. Why wouldn't she? |
| 576 | |
| 577 | [[WMG:Celestia is every bit as kind and benevolent as she appears, if mischievous.]] |
| 578 | She's just prone to going to extremes because she's the most powerful pony in all of Equestria and the burden of protecting Equestria falls mostly onto her shoulders because she's the ruler. She'd rather go to the extremes of banishing threats to the moon and encasing them in stone or ice, rather than risk them massacring her subjects or torturing them without any mercy, both [[ColdBloodedTorture physical torture]] and [[MindRape mental torture]] as well as ''brutal enslavement''. She's not a MagnificentBastard, she's not a total villain, she's not a {{Troll}}, she's an immortal [[PhysicalGod physical pseudo-goddess]] with a sense of humour (she'd have to have one, being ages old) and the great burden of protecting all of her subjects from threats. She doesn't intend to groom Twilight into ruling after her, because WordOfGod states Twilight won't outlive her friends. She's grateful for Twilight and her friends because, for the first time in literally thousands of years, she (and Luna) are not the only ponies who can defend Equestria. Her subjects are that much safer. With the Elements back in the Tree of Harmony, there's not a good chance she'd call in Twilight and her friends since they can't defeat villains like they did with them. |
| 579 | |
| 580 | [[WMG:Celestia teases and borderline pranks her subjects because she's trying to get them to relax around her.]] |
| 581 | She's trying to get them to relax, but all she does is make them more nervous, except it seems her royal guard, her sister, and the Mane 6. She's also totally the one who started the "By Celestia's beard!" thing (which, pray tell, where did it even come from, meta-wise?). That, or Luna started it either as a way to try and [[BigStupidDooDooHead insult her sister]], or once in their original castle, Luna set off one of the traps (again) and her actual words were garbled by falling/being stuck in a stone chute/hole, and what the passing guard heard was "by Celestia's beard!" when in reality, Luna was cursing her sister for scaring the crap out of her again, or the sisters were playing games as fillies, and that was one of Luna's ingenious lines (while dressed as a pirate) and it somehow got out, but no matter what, Celestia found it hilarious and encourages its use. |
| 582 | |
| 583 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia didn't become a tyrant after sealing her sister...]] |
| 584 | ...but instead became the Alicorn equivalent of [[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender Princess Azula]] prior to her VillainousBreakdown: She grew incredibly paranoid, constantly looking over her shoulder for possible usurpers and assassins, relying on extremes to dealing with opponents and opposing forces rather than be diplomatic, sleeping with a dagger under her pillow (if at all), banishing anyone who even so much as looked at her funny, isolating herself and forbidding herself from making friends, and dreading each day as if her sister would come back and finish her. It wouldn't be until decades later that she would get over this phase after seeing the effect it has on herself, her subjects and her kingdom. |
| 585 | |
| 586 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia's {{Gambit Roulette}}s are not actually luck-based.]] |
| 587 | As shown in part 1 of "Twilight's Kingdom", Princess Celestia has at least intermittent access to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSkYGjHUgOY oracular visions]]. If you have an informational advantage on this kind of level, you can set up what ''would'' be a GambitRoulette to anyone else, but is a XanatosGambit to you because you're psychic. |
| 588 | * Backed up by [[WordOfGod Word of Faust]]. [[http://i.imgur.com/lEDzIVk.jpg Princess Celestia was always intended to have some ability to sense future events]], in addition to a chessmaster-type intellect. |
| 589 | ** Technically, we've still only seen a vision of the present, so Celestia possessing any kind of precognition is still unsubstantiated. At best, those visions would be rare. Mostly, she just seems to be confident in Twilight Sparkle. |
| 590 | * On the other limb, that same episode showed that the ability was massively unreliable. It took quite some time for Celestia to find out that Tirek had escaped, and it just plain failed to give (useful) warnings in other situations. Even with Tirek's escape, it didn't give her enough information to find him. Depending on an ability of that calibre is effectively relying on luck. |
| 591 | |
| 592 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia was the person that wrote the book of prophecies from the pilot.]] |
| 593 | Which, oddly enough, means that she knows that her visions can be thwarted, and actually plans on trying to change some. |
| 594 | |
| 595 | [[WMG:Celestia is a(n exceptionally sane, self-aware, and benevolent) [[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica Witch]] and Equestria is her Labyrinth.]] |
| 596 | |
| 597 | The multitude of beings that inhabit Equestria might either be humans who had stumbled in or well-crafted familiars -- the more developed and nuanced the character the more likely the former is the case. Despite this, Celestia herself had somehow realized what she was and tries to protect and guide those that come under her care. In addition, the Mane Six accomplish all the on-screen adventures largely on their own because Celestia herself is doing the CosmicHorror -esque heavy lifting at the "edges of Equestria" that arise more or less at the same time. Heck, Twilight and company might even [[MoralityChain be what's keeping Celestia]] from subconsciously turning Equestria into the typical Witch Labyrinth AcidTripDimension. |
| 598 | |
| 599 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia is the Equestrian equivalent of a {{Transhuman}}ist and manipulates the Magic of Friendship to uplift mediocre ponies into Alicorns.]] |
| 600 | Hence why, despite being practically the GodEmperor of Equestria, she still bothers to manipulate the lives of mediocre ponies until, as Cadance and Twilight Sparkle have shown, they become worthy of ascension into a higher existence, namely, Alicornhood. Perhaps this is the entire purpose of the rigorous educational system of "The Magic of Friendship" Celestia runs all throughout Twilight's life, up to and including her "discovery" of the Elements of Harmony. Celestia's actual agenda throughout this series is to create new Alicorns out of lower-base Equines by manipulating their relationship with the Elements of Harmony and therefore the Friendship Force, with Twilight Sparkle as the most successful, and after Twilight's ascension, Celestia imposed the same "friendship lesson" system to Twilight's friends (e.g. friendship journals) under the pretense of life lessons... but what if those life lessons are just the beginning in the repetition of the process that led to Twilight's ascension (e.g. alicorn Fluttershy or Pinkie Pie anyone)? |
| 601 | |
| 602 | [[WMG:Celestia doesn't like Starlight Glimmer.]] |
| 603 | She looked so annoyed when Starlight didn't show up for the dinner in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E6NoSecondPrances "No Second Prances"]] because she doesn't believe Starlight has redeemed herself and she thinks Twilight taking her as a student was a mistake. |
| 604 | |
| 605 | [[WMG:Celestia is Amalthea from ''The Last Unicorn''.]] |
| 606 | This is simply so far in the future that the humanity has died out. Either the ponies evolved on their own, or the rest of the unicorns eventually became them (with Amalthea somehow only becoming more powerful because of her experiences in love and loss). Going along with this, Starswirl the Bearded could've been Shmendrick, who managed to turn himself into a unicorn eventually (who knows, maybe he's still around during the show's time). Sometime, one of the Mane Six will ask Celestia why she never dates. She, uncharacteristically grave, will gaze wistfully into the distance and remark "I loved once, I shall never love again." They might even hear her whisper the name "Lir", while a solitary tear rolls down her cheek. To compound the reference, at one point, Angel Bunny will write a novel. |
| 607 | ->"She will remember your heart when men are fairy tales and books written by rabbits." |
| 608 | |
| 609 | [[WMG:Daybreaker will be the final villain of the series.]] |
| 610 | The first villain of the series was Nightmare Moon (the corrupted version of Celestia's sister), so it would bookend the series nicely to have the corrupted version of Celestia as the final villain. In addition, it seems unlikely that the writers would introduce the evil version of the series' Big Good, only to have her appear only once in a dream sequence. |
| 611 | |
| 612 | [[WMG:Building on the previous, Celestia chose to retire in Season 9 in an attempt to forestall Daybreaker from breaking out and causing massive amounts of havoc.]] |
| 613 | That Daybreaker could exist and the potential devastation she could inflict on her little ponies terrifies Celestia. A voluntary relinquishing of power and authority would be quite the screw-you to the power-mad, I-need-no-one-else Daybreaker. Luna accompanies her to act as an outside guide to help keep Daybreaker at bay, the [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Sam to Celestia's Frodo]]. Of course, Daybreaker isn't likely to take that sort of thing lying down... |
| 614 | [[/folder]] |
| 615 | |
| 616 | [[folder:Princess Luna]] |
| 617 | [[WMG:Luna turned evil for the reason not written accurately in legends?]] |
| 618 | In another way to say, legend covers some facts. I won't say that the legend is fake, but possibly the legend covers the key element and just gives official explanation. Yes, official explanation: It means that it is not the true story behind. |
| 619 | * Remember Celestia's nickname: "Trollestia"? Well, Luna is maybe kind of too serious, but Celestia keeps trolling her and even goes all "u mad?". She gets pissed off and thus rebels. In the beginning, things are not yet out of control so Celestia doesn't really care. But, things go out of control and it doesn't even work after Celestia apologizes (insincerely), so in the end Celestia has to seal her. But well, seems like Celestia didn't change much after 1000 years, while Luna has found out that she is the one who is too serious. Actually to be fair, Celestia does do a little of reflection and remorse, so she does change a little. |
| 620 | * or maybe Luna was instead the troll, while Celestia is the one who was way too serious. Well, getting pissed off, Celestia banished Luna. She found out that she is really too serious and cold, and without Luna, it is really boring. That's how "Trollestia" is made. |
| 621 | ** How to explain Nightmare Moon? I guess it is possible that Luna doesn't think that her joke is overboard: instead, she is pissed by the thought that most ponies are humorless. You can say Luna goes over-cupcake, worse than Pinkie Pie's(in Party of One). But, for some reason, after she is snapped out of the nightmare(Nightmare Moon), she finds out that she is terribly wrong. |
| 622 | *** This part is possibly Jossed in one or another way. |
| 623 | |
| 624 | [[WMG:Luna is currently working to try and improve her image.]] |
| 625 | Fans have speculated that Luna is busy taking her duties of controlling the night again. Now, there's no reason for her not too, but assuming that works the same as Celestia's magic, she should be able to go with her during princess duties. (Like say, she should have been there during "Swarm of the Century" and "Sonic Rainboom".) This is because Luna understands that she's spent a thousand years as one of Equestria's boogeyponies, and even a pardon from Celestia won't change that opinion overnight. (And even if it did, Luna would probably want to redeem herself anyway, assuming that she's TheAtoner.) Luna is currently traveling Equestria, doing as many good deeds as she can. She may or may not be using her Nightmare Moon form for this, mostly because Nightmare Moon would make a good [[ComicBook/{{Batman}} Batpony.]] |
| 626 | |
| 627 | [[WMG:Nightmare Moon and Princess Luna are not the same pony.]] |
| 628 | 'Nightmare Moon' is actually a sort of magical symbiote that manipulated Princess Luna's jealousy and resentment to control her. She was the blue mist that was impeding the groups journey through the Everfree Forest, and she feeds off of negative emotion, which is why she wanted it to be eternally night -- so she could feed off of Equestria's fear. She's not as powerful on her own, though, which is why she had to take control of other things, or create illusions, instead of just outright stopping the ponies. As for why she didn't use princess Luna's magic, She could still control Luna when they were first released and the resentment for locking her away was still strong, but after 1,000 years alone Princess Luna missed her sister too much for Nightmare Moon to control her, until the ponies got close and Luna was afraid of being trapped again. |
| 629 | * Aw, man, you stole my idea! I'm writing a fic about this. I propose that the Nightmare entity could only magnify Luna's natural bitterness and resentment, and isn't actually intelligent; Luna was the one turning into blue mist, but Nightmare was the one causing her to berserk. I believe the black armor laying around Luna after the rainbow attack was the Nightmare entity's physical form -- it was evaporating into blue mist. It may not be dead... |
| 630 | ** Expanding on this, who have we met who has natural power with magic, is feeling jealous and resentful towards a member of the main cast, would leap at the chance for more power, and is something of an [[EnsembleDarkHorse Ensemble Darkpony]]? I'm guessing sometime in the future we'll see the rise of The Great and Powerful Nightmare Trixie. |
| 631 | ** Assuming that the Nightmare entity is sort of like the [[ComicBook/SpiderMan Venom Symbiote,]] then wouldn't it gravitate towards Twilight as a host? Raw magical talent, with two dozen spells at her disposal, and she's being buttered up by Celestia for some reason. Draw a couple parallels, pull a couple threads, and I'm sure you can find a story... |
| 632 | *** Well, at the time, Celestia was closing in. It was defeated and weakened by the Elements of Harmony. Had it attempted to take over Twilight, it likely would have been destroyed by Celestia when she came. Alternatively, it could only be able to effect certain ponies like Luna due to her bitterness. |
| 633 | * This idea makes way too much sense. It helps explain the EasilyForgiven aspect of Celestia's reaction. It also fits right in with the Magical Girl genre that the pilot seemed to be evoking. |
| 634 | * Apparently [[http://comments.deviantart.com/4/1603670/1919056941 confirmed]] by WordOfGod |
| 635 | ** And Luna spent a thousand years on the moon trapped inside that... ''[[EldritchAbomination creature]]'', for what it did while controlling her. NightmareFuel indeed. |
| 636 | *** I can. Because Luna can turn back into the image of Nightmare Moon now (even though she's still herself) is a constant reminder of what she was subjected to. And even though she did it to spook everyone in jest, if this is true, she probably spent the night at Twilight's crying her eyes out. |
| 637 | * I'm going to take this guess one step further: The evil force that turned Princess Luna into Nightmare Moon is none other than... [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CnOysetlQw THE SMOOZE]]. |
| 638 | ** Even better, it's Tirac. "Behold the power of darkness!", anyone? You can't tell me some kind of WholePlotReference to "Rescue at Midnight Castle" updated for the 21st century wouldn't make for an epic season finale. |
| 639 | * It has to be said. The entity that possessed Luna was of course [[Creator/HPLovecraft Nyarlathotep]] |
| 640 | |
| 641 | [[WMG:Luna acquired her Nightmare Moon form and powers through a FaustianBargain with a villain that will play a large role in Season 2.]] |
| 642 | |
| 643 | [[WMG:Luna won't be at the Grand Galloping Gala because she'll be busy working.]] |
| 644 | The Gala is on the 21st of an unmentioned month. The 21st of December is the longest night of the year. The episode that takes place during the Gala is titled "The Best '''''Night''''' Ever" (emphasis mine). Coincidence? Perhaps not. |
| 645 | * Well if Luna's job involves more than just raising the moon, than she may have been busy that (and every other) night. But judging by the lack of snow, I don't think it was December 21st. |
| 646 | |
| 647 | [[WMG:Spark-per-spark, Luna is more powerful a magic user than Celestia.]] |
| 648 | When Luna, as Nightmare Moon, enacted her rebellion, her magic was strong enough to block Celestia from rising the sun. Luna herself was so powerful, Celestia had to resort to an external source, the elements of harmony, just to be able to contain her. This, of course, assuming Nightmare Moon was a fabrication of her own magic, and not an external source as well. |
| 649 | * Possibly correct. Magic would seem to fit the lunar portfolio better than the solar one. On the other hoof, maybe it's just easier to hold everything still than to force the Sun to rise. |
| 650 | ** Even if it was easier to hold the celestial position, it still took effort to do so under contest from another force. So since Celestia at her 100% full undivided power was not enough on its own to even subdue a distracted Luna, the point still stands. |
| 651 | ** Alternately, Luna was able to block Celestia's magic not because of raw power, but because of [[ElementalRockPaperScissors metaphysical Rock-Paper-Scissors]]: the moon has the ability to block the sun, while the sun can only make the moon shine brighter. |
| 652 | ** Alternately, it could be a simply case of WeakButSkilled. While Celestia is stronger than Luna, she had not only far more control with her power and knew thousand of different battle spells (like a proto battle wizard), but thanks to the inherent "properties" of the Moon with the Planet, she could alter far more direct and profound Equestria that Celestia ever could. |
| 653 | |
| 654 | [[WMG:Luna occupied her thousand year sentence on the moon by building.]] |
| 655 | Between her powerful magic, unlimited building materials, and centuries of free time, Luna eventually took up building while on the moon. At first simple structures for practice, perhaps a small village of houses built out of moon dust. With generations of experience, she began larger projects. skyscrapers, statues. Eventually, setting her sights on something to call her MagnumOpus, a gigantic temple built out of large, intricately carved moonstones. Sprawling for miles in all directions with fully glassed windows made from fired moon dust and shaped like a giant unicorn head visible from earth, it became her home for the rest of her sentence. |
| 656 | Unfortunately, gravity back on terra firma made all her building experience worthless when she returned, as everything she learned to build would collapse under its own weight in Equestria. |
| 657 | * [[DontExplainTheJoke So basically]], she spent a thousand years playing ''{{VideoGame/Minecraft}}''. |
| 658 | ** Some people could happily play ''Minecraft'' for 1,000 years. It's ''that'' addictive. |
| 659 | |
| 660 | [[WMG:We'll get an episode where the main cast joins Luna on a trip to the moon.]] |
| 661 | It'll involve a lot of soul searching for Luna and the main ponies forgiving her. Also, we'll probably get to meet Luna's [[CompanionCube moon rock buddies.]] The reason for the trip? I dunno. |
| 662 | * [[RuleOfCool You need a reason?]] |
| 663 | ** In the same episode, Pinkie Pie will befriend a hyper, sentient satellite. Who may actually be space core. |
| 664 | |
| 665 | [[WMG:Princess Luna will become a villain again.]] |
| 666 | Because nothing has changed. In a climactic MotiveRant, the lack of her being mentioned at all through Season 1 will become a plot point, showing how the ponies still don't appreciate her even when appropriate (such as during the meteor shower), as well as the number of events that Celestia attended but she wasn't able to (since she has to sleep during the day). Adding onto that will be an accusation leveled at Celestia, a completely accurate one: that she only ever talked about things and never actually ''did'' anything to resolve their problems. This will lead into the lesson that attempts at reasoning and offers of friendship are not always enough -- you have to actively solve problems rather than trying to convince people to ignore them. |
| 667 | |
| 668 | [[WMG:During the Gala, Luna was hiding as part of a plot by Celestia to liven up the Gala in case Twilight and co. couldn't.]] |
| 669 | Celestia managed to convince Luna of the wonders of trolling, and the two hatched a plan: if Twilight and her friends were unable to liven up the party sufficiently, then Luna would stage a return of Nightmare Moon. Then one thing would lead to another and they'd have a great laugh about it afterwards. |
| 670 | |
| 671 | [[WMG:Princess Luna has been spending the first season FIGHTING CRIME!]] |
| 672 | Batmare! |
| 673 | * [[WhatCouldHaveBeen If only. If only...]] |
| 674 | * Da Da Da Da Da Da Da Da BATMARE! |
| 675 | * Please PLEASE tell me she did DID do this and the entire time she used '' '''THE ROYAL CANTERLOT VOICE'''.'' |
| 676 | * '''"SWEAR TO ME!"''' |
| 677 | |
| 678 | [[WMG:The reason Princess Luna wasn't at the Grand Galloping Gala was...]] |
| 679 | She simply didn't want to go. Let's consider that Celestia remarked that the Gala is "Always terrible", and it seems to be a stuffy posh event of the obnoxious aristocracy. It's likely that... |
| 680 | * These ponies might have been [[JerkAss very cruel]] to poor Princess Luna |
| 681 | * Unlike Celestia, Luna had no reason to be there. Celestia was expected, to greet everypony who entered. Luna was under no such obligation. |
| 682 | ** To make up for her absence, Pinkie will throw Luna a much better party, Pinkie Pie style |
| 683 | *** A Pinkie Pie party for Luna? Sounds reasonable to me. Especially if Luna ends up spending a lot of time with the mane cast in Season 2. |
| 684 | * Celestia prank: during that night Luna was busy to make all her Moon God job quick and go to bed so she can rest befor Gala next day, but after she wake up she find note from her sister (sended when Luna was asleep) telling that Celestia move Gala on this night just Luna, so Luna learn about this after Gala. |
| 685 | * This troper assumed that she was still resting. After being possessed (and on (in?) the moon) for a thousand years, you might want to spend a few months refraining from excitement. Maybe. |
| 686 | |
| 687 | [[WMG:Princess Luna is still evil.]] |
| 688 | Her supposed "redemption" is actually the first step in an elaborate EvilPlan to seize the throne of Equestria. |
| 689 | |
| 690 | [[WMG:Princess Luna is training offscreen in how to be a Princess]] |
| 691 | The reason why Luna hasn't appeared so far is because she is trying to train herself in how to show a non-godly visage to the population. After recovering from the Elemental attack, she and Celestia realized that Luna has no experience how to act with mortal ponies, at least in a way that doesn't result in instant idolatry/mass hysteria. While both of them are immortal, sleepless, hungerless (how otherwise she could survive in the moon), multi time existential, near omnipotent, omniscient (day/night) beings who mere presence could crush a mere pony in seconds; after Nightmare Moon Celestia worked hard for eons in how to repress and appear only as regal and noble instead of Godlike, wile Luna at her best can come as quite... "accidentally disturbing", like creating matter out of thin air (food, houses, palaces and geographic locations), reading minds and dreams, remembering things from the Future, mass population teleportation, existing in two planes of reality simultaneously and so on. After a year she is sent to Ponyville to show her results to the mane cast and is what kicks the second season plot. |
| 692 | |
| 693 | [[WMG:The Great and Powerful Trixie was in fact Princess Luna in disguise.]] |
| 694 | This is why we didn't see Luna for the rest of the first season. She had been away a long time, needed to get an idea of what the new social norms were, and she's been doing it by observing ponies without their knowledge (even taking on a jerk persona in order to remain hidden). |
| 695 | |
| 696 | Trixie was only one of several disguises she wore. When you see an odd clone or a recolor in the background, it's her. |
| 697 | * Photo Finish, Sapphire Shores, and most of the other one-show characters who actually moved the plot along were real, however. |
| 698 | * So Princess Luna pretended to be incompetent in handling an Ursa Minor, leaving Ponyville in danger, just to allow Twilight Sparkle a chance to shine? |
| 699 | |
| 700 | [[WMG:Princess Luna has spent the entire first season in hiding.]] |
| 701 | For someone who really cares about the people, being forgiven is one thing, but forgiving ''yourself'' is much harder. Between guilt at having become Nightmare Moon and fear of being shunned by pony society, she's spent the time since her return hiding out in her room. Celestia has been sharing Twilight's letters with her in an attempt to coax her younger sister out of her shell. That and she needs to catch up on technology and other aspects that are new last she was here. |
| 702 | |
| 703 | [[WMG:Princess Luna was at the Grand Galloping Gala.]] |
| 704 | She was there, but just off camera. She wasn't at the doughnut shop later because she had remained at the Gala to see to the other guests after the disaster. She may have been present for other events during the season as well, but just off camera. |
| 705 | |
| 706 | [[WMG:The dangers the ponies faced in the pilot were Luna FightingFromTheInside, not Nightmare Moon's original plan.]] |
| 707 | Nightmare Moon was more than powerful enough to defeat a little gang of ponies searching for the resting place of the elements, but instead she elected to send obstacles in their paths that ironically helped Twilight put everything together at the end to activate the Elements. Rather than these simply being Nightmare Moon attempting to scare them off and failing, each of the obstacles was actually a SecretTestOfCharacter Luna was able to put together in hopes that a pony could overcome all of them and therefore be able to use the elements when they reached them. The Nightmare Moon persona was unaware that she was actually enabling a NiceJobFixingItVillain moment, but Luna had set the entire second episode up in hopes of freeing herself from whatever it was that had transformed her. |
| 708 | ** Likewise, Celestia only defeated Nightmare Moon 1000 years ago because Luna was FightingFromTheInside. Luna was pretty much able to overpower Celestia with ease twice. Centuries ago, Celestia was Luna's size, apparently much younger and less experienced. Celestia was on the verge of defeat when Luna held Nightmare Moon back and let Celestia seal her away, she may have even [[ICannotSelfTerminate told Celestia to stop her]]. Celestia imprisoned her instead of destroyed her because she couldn't bring himself to kill her sister. |
| 709 | ** For a slightly different take on this assume that Celestia and Luna can do anything any of their subjects can do, except better, and that the corrupting influence could only twist Luna so far and had to pick its battles. The first means that they are [[{{Seers}} precognitive]] (since Pinkie Pie is) to a degree, and the second means that Luna was planning to keep all the ponies alive with magic when the food ran out (a task even her massive magical abilities would probably be insufficient to). Thus Luna/Nightmare Moon wanted to WIN, but she didn't ''per se'' want to kill anyone. Humbling an enemy before you in a submission they won't renege on is a more perfect victory than simply killing them. Luna had JUST enough doubt about the plan that the question she was asking her precognitive abilities when choosing between a wide variety of potential approaches was always "When this is all over, will I feel happiest on this specific course?", rather than "Will I win?". She used superior judgement to eliminate the possibility of a hollow victory, but since her precognition was seeking out a [[ExactWords very specific fact]], rather than showing a broad picture, it gave misleading results. She probably recognized that she was creating a PlotTailoredToTheParty but assumed that it was going to end with Twilight FAILING to summon the sixth element. Even when they charged each other, Nightmare Moon was planning on going for a leg to cripple, while Twilight's own horn would have been either parried, or bounced off her magically defenses or [[PhysicalGod goddess-tough]] skin harmlessly. She was so sure she had achieved check-mate when she smashed the element-stones (possibly despite knowing it didn't actually stop the elements from being activated, since she knew that TWILIGHT didn't know that) that the arrival of the other five ponies and the activation of all six elements, combined with the "illogical" information ("You will be happier if you don't teleport away.", "You will be happier if you don't spear the purple one through the jugular.", etc) she was getting from her precognition that she suffered a brain lock that resulted in her just standing around while it happened. Then Celestia returns and offers her back everything she had lost when she was banished to the moon. All as Celestia's own precognition had predicted. So basically, it wasn't JUST a SugarWiki/{{Heartwarming Moment|s}}... it was a Crowning one AND the sort of [[BatmanGambit brilliant strategy]] you would expect from a ruler with many centuries, if not several millennia, of experience. |
| 710 | |
| 711 | [[WMG:If need be, Luna can summon Ursa Majors to do her bidding.]] |
| 712 | Because it would be cool. |
| 713 | |
| 714 | [[WMG:Luna allowed herself to be locked up in the moon.]] |
| 715 | In a moment of weakness, when she was off guard, she was taken over by the evil force against her will. The real Luna was still inside, almost completely helpless to the force. But Luna knew the force was more powerful than Celestia, so she resisted the force long enough for Celestia to take action. Even with Luna resisting, Celestia couldn't purge the force from her sister, so she had no choice but to imprison her in the moon until she could find a way to defeat the force. Celestia was heartbroken and spent centuries trying to find just the right ponies to wield the Elements of Harmony. She knew that six different ponies wielding the elements would be stronger and more powerful than just herself. (since the ponies have to be in HARMONY with each other for them to work) She managed to find the right ponies, all linked together from an early age by the Sonic Rainboom event to begin with, just in time before Nightmare Moon escaped. They were able to purge the evil force successfully and Celestia and Luna were reunited. |
| 716 | |
| 717 | [[WMG:Discord is responsible for Luna becoming Nightmare Moon.]] |
| 718 | Think about it -- first, Luna and Celestia take notice of how Discord is making Equestria a terrible place to live. They find the Elements of Harmony to stop him. Discord recognizes that he's unable to overcome the elements when they're being used against him. |
| 719 | |
| 720 | So before the two turn him to stone, he takes advantage of Luna's place as being in charge of the moon and being the younger sister, setting Luna up for her [[FaceHeelTurn Face Hoof Turn]], knowing that it'll cause Luna to go bad and that Celestia will be forced to banish Luna. This in turn sets up Celestia to loose control of the Elements when she's forced to rely on other ponies to become connected to them, allowing Discord his opening to escape and a second shot at victory. |
| 721 | |
| 722 | What's more, as long as they're given to ponies who aren't as immortal as Celestia and Luna, it means from now till the end of time he'll have a new opportunity once per generation to get free when a new set of ponies is needed to wield the elements and the spell is broken again. |
| 723 | |
| 724 | * I ''KNEW I'' [[StrangeMindsThinkAlike couldn't have been the only one thinking this]]! After seeing Discord [[BreakTheCutie break]] and MindRape five of the Mane Six and remembering reading that Creator/LaurenFaust [[WordOfGod said]] that Luna had been turned into Nightmare Moon by evil magic, it wasn't hard at all to imagine Discord played with Luna's insecurities of being in charge of the time phase when everypony's asleep shortly before his first defeat. And while he was defeated anyway, the seeds of doubt were already sowed... |
| 725 | ** Though, when Discord was defeated in the modern days a WorldHealingWave undid all the effects of his magic. Assuming the same happened last time (and it MUST have, otherwise Equestria would still be plunged in leftover chaos), how come it did not undo whatever he did to Luna? And if there was actually no magic involved, then how do you explain Nightmare Moon being distinct from Luna? |
| 726 | *** It is possible that Celestia's relationship with Luna being weakened allowed Discord to cast a single spell while sealed, as the elements of Harmony were connected with Luna and Celestia back then, and Discord did claim to have been awake while sealed. |
| 727 | *** Twilight Sparkle had a serious mental break not long after Discord was defeated. That "world-healing wave" may not be ''completely'' universal, and his mind screwing may leave some lasting side effects. |
| 728 | *** Twilight may have amplified the failsafe spell mentioned in the first part using the Elements. |
| 729 | * Strange minds think alike! As soon as I saw Discord, I totally thought that too! |
| 730 | |
| 731 | [[WMG:The reason Luna hasn't appeared is...]] |
| 732 | She's simply nocturnal. Very few of the episodes have taken place at night, even fewer (two) in Canterlot. Luna is the one in charge of the night, Celestia the day. The reason we see Celestia all the time is the majority of episodes take place during the day, when Luna is asleep. When Celestia goes to sleep, Luna takes over as acting royalty through the night and governs Equestria during that time. The two sisters spend time together in early mornings and late evenings (twilight) when both would be awake. As for why she wasn't at the Gala? She's younger physically than her sister, whose to say she's not younger emotionally and simply wouldn't like going? As for how Celestia managed to do this alone for 1000 years, she probably just slept and was awakened if anything came up. Luna, being the younger sister, would've naturally been tasked with less things than her older sibling anyway, so less official stuff probably happens at night. |
| 733 | |
| 734 | [[WMG:There will be an episode detailing the events that led up to Luna becoming Nightmare Moon and being sealed in the moon.]] |
| 735 | There's a TON of WMG on the issue already, it's a big topic of discussion among fans. Not only could it be a cool episode, it would please a lot of fans who really want to know the details and clear up all the guessing on what happened that night, AND give more insight on the relationship between Luna and Celestia. |
| 736 | |
| 737 | [[WMG:Luna is a NightmareFetishist.]] |
| 738 | In the upcoming Luna episode, Luna will be trying to change the scary image she has in the eyes of the other ponies in Ponyville. This will be difficult for her though, not just because of her time as Nightmare Moon, but also because she actually really loves the dark and the macabre. Not because she's evil, but simply because it intrigues her. As a goddess of the night, she's naturally drawn to dark, spooky things. |
| 739 | * Close, but it's more that she comes off scary as hell rather being interested in scary things though you could see it both ways. |
| 740 | |
| 741 | [[WMG:Luna will be presiding over Nightmare Night because it's a ''Nighttime'' event]] |
| 742 | Now that Luna's back, she wants to resume her previous role of bringing forth the night, and by extension presiding over nighttime events. Furthermore, whatever ceremony or event she presides over will be spectacular, greater than anything Celestia ever did when she presided over these events in Luna's place. That will help gain more Ponyville goodwill. |
| 743 | |
| 744 | [[WMG:Luna is every bit as mischievous as her sis, but [[NightmareFuelStationAttendant prefers scares over pranks]]]] |
| 745 | Celestia has a mischievous streak, whose to say it's not a family trait? Considering Luna's BigEntrance is decidedly frightening and one of the clips shows what's apparently her taking on a scary form to frighten the mane cast, it seems she ''likes'' giving people a good scare, but mostly just as harmless fun. On this note, it'll be explained that she ''invented'' Nightmare Night in the first place due to this belief. |
| 746 | |
| 747 | [[WMG:Luna is a Goa'uld]] |
| 748 | Come on, you heard that voice. |
| 749 | * [[InsistentTerminology Don't ya mean Tok'ra?]] (And if you're thinking of trying to spin it as nightmare fuel-why would a Goa'uld who's already established herself as a goddess act as if mortals ''actually exist''?) |
| 750 | |
| 751 | [[WMG:The reason Luna's mane changed between seasons...]] |
| 752 | ...is that it reflects her general power level ''at the time''. Bear with me here, this is different than her regaining power between seasons. We've seen lots of fanart with a younger Celestia having a plain pink mane. Perhaps her mane has its celestial [[BuffySpeak glowy-ness]] during the day, when it would make sense for the, y'know, sun goddess to be more powerful. In turn, Luna's mane would be plain during the day and all glowy at night, since she'd have more power at night. |
| 753 | ** Can't be. Celestia's mane is still rippley like always at the end of "Lesson Zero", and it was nighttime, not to mention doing the greeting at the Grand Galloping Gala. Luna seems to have simply recovered completely or almost completely from her time as Nightmare Moon, and regained her natural powers, which went unused and weakened as Nightmare Moon. |
| 754 | * My own guess is that Luna's first appearance look and Celestia's pink mane look are actually they're SleepModeSize. Taking this shape may actually also be their substitute for sleeping. Celestia's always in her fully powered size (at least when seen in public) because no one would recognize her otherwise and Luna stayed in her SleepModeSize at the end of the pilot to avoid scaring anyone but went full powered in Luna Eclipsed for the same reason she was using the Canterlot Royal Speech, because she wanted to address others. |
| 755 | |
| 756 | [[WMG:Luna is a female alicorn version of [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]].]] |
| 757 | She's loud, speaks in YeOldeButcheredeEnglishe and has a tendency to cause random lightning and thunder. |
| 758 | |
| 759 | [[WMG:Star Swirl the Bearded was Luna's apprentice]] |
| 760 | This is how she knew about him, who ever he was. |
| 761 | * Could just be that she knew of him when he was making it big. |
| 762 | ** Seems Jossed by "Hearth's Warming Eve." Twilight Sparkle, as Clover the Clever, said Starswirl was her mentor, and the play is specifically said to pre-date Celestia (and presumably Luna's) rule over Equestria. |
| 763 | ** That they weren't actively ruling it (and they couldn't very well have been if Equestria hadn't even been founded yet, anyway) doesn't necessarily imply that they weren't already ''around'' in some form. In the absence of clear canon information about the origin and early history of the eventual royal sisters, we just don't know one way or the other. (Fanfic writers, of course, are having a field day with that.) |
| 764 | * This is quite definitely jossed, given that Starswirl was Luna's and Celestia's teacher. |
| 765 | |
| 766 | [[WMG:All is not well for the Mare in the Moon]] |
| 767 | When asked by Twilight if it was a good thing that she was purified by Harmony, she gives a kinda non-nonchalant "Yeah, of course. I've never been happier." Maybe I'm reading into this to much, but it seems like there still is something still lurking under the surface. |
| 768 | * I think that was the point-she's rather thin-skinned throughout the episode, which could easily be read as her believing she can never really ''have'' the respect she wants. Which, given how she turned evil because nobody gave her the time of "day", really makes a lot of psychological sense. |
| 769 | * Point, but I'm thinking more along the lines that she didn't entirely bury the hatchet with Celestia over what caused the banishment in the first place, and/or her raw id kinda liked being Nightmare Moon in a twisted way, if only for the attention and veto power over her sister. So there's nothing really stopping her from regressing back into the Nightmare shortly over the first big bump in the road, or at least picking up tendencies if things aren't going her way. |
| 770 | |
| 771 | [[WMG:Luna is nocturnal.]] |
| 772 | Luna sleeps during the day, and Celestia sleeps at night. |
| 773 | |
| 774 | [[WMG:Nightmare Moon was just a fictional persona that Luna made up.]] |
| 775 | She was just a scary, boogeyman-type villain she created for the Nightmare Night celebration, and she ended up BecomingTheMask when her jealousy ([[WordOfGod and that outside source of evil]]) took over. |
| 776 | |
| 777 | [[WMG:If Princess Celestia is a horse incarnation of [[VideoGame/{{Okami}} Amaterasu]], then Princess Luna is a horse incarnation of ''VideoGame/{{Bayonetta}}''.]] |
| 778 | You know it's true. |
| 779 | * Depends, is Bayonetta a goddess in any way? (I don't play games like that so I wouldn't know). |
| 780 | |
| 781 | [[WMG:Luna is the Equestrian goddess of death.]] |
| 782 | That is part of why she is so feared. She thinks of death as a rest and release, and as a necessary part of the natural order, so she doesn't understand why all the other ponies fear it, and hence her, so much. |
| 783 | * Soo... she's essentially Equestria's version of [[Literature/{{Discworld}} DEATH]]? |
| 784 | ** No, he's an AnthropomorphicPersonification, she's just a goddess. Equestria got along just fine without her whereas DEATH's TenMinuteRetirement threw the entire Disc into chaos. |
| 785 | *** Original poster here. I would have said yes. The reason Equestria didn't lapse into chaos without Luna is the same reason the moon continued to rise at night: Celestia took over those duties. |
| 786 | |
| 787 | [[WMG:Princess Luna created Nightmare Night herself]] |
| 788 | Luna's sense of humor is [[NightmareFuelStationAttendant more towards the scary than her sister]], so she invented a night time holiday centering around fun scares. On a related note, we'll find out Celestia invented the April Fools Day analog. |
| 789 | |
| 790 | [[WMG:Luna wasn't banished to the Moon--she was banished to the Warp.]] |
| 791 | Nightmare Moon was a manifestation of the Ruinous Powers in Luna--it happens that the Warp Portal manifested on the Moon as a coincidence. After her freedom from the Ruinous Powers, Luna spent the rest of Season 1 on a crusade of penance, protecting Equestria from the enemies of Pony, seeking to atone in blood--that of the enemy, or her own. |
| 792 | |
| 793 | [[WMG:The Reason for Luna's Mane-over.]] |
| 794 | The first time we see her (in Episode 2) is during the day. Her powers may have been diminished. We will see her in Season 2 during Nightmare '''Night''', in all her nocturnal splendor -- hence the wavy mane. |
| 795 | * On top of that, she was probably still weak after being hit with the Elements of Harmony and being returned to her normal form for the first time in 1000 years. |
| 796 | * Celestia's mane doesn't do this- it's wavy at night and during the day. I think Luna's powers had lain dormant when she was Nightmare Moon, and became weak. When she got back to normal and regained use of her powers, she reverted back to normal and her mane returned to its glittery, wavy awesomeness. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with the time of day. |
| 797 | ** FridgeBrilliance because moonlight is just reflected sunlight so it could power her. |
| 798 | |
| 799 | [[WMG:Luna was almost cured before her thousand years of imprisonment were up. Then came the astronauts...]] |
| 800 | "UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU... John Madden John Madden John Madden John Madden John Madden John Madden... ? ! ? ! ? ! ? ! ? ! ? ! ? ! ? !... Here comes another Chinese earthquake! Aeiou. Aeiou. Aeiou." It would be enough to drive anyone insane. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv6RbEOlqRo&feature=related See?]] |
| 801 | |
| 802 | [[WMG:Luna played a role in defeating Nightmare Moon]]. |
| 803 | It's been proven that the Elements won't work if there isn't a strong bond between the wielders, so there's no way Celestia could've defeated Nightmare Moon singlehoofedly. Here's how I think it went: |
| 804 | |
| 805 | Luna was told by the evil force that possessed her that everypony would love and adore her if |
| 806 | she [[DealWithTheDevil agreed to her terms]]. Luna agreed, but [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone realized that this was a very bad idea]] [[BreakTheCutie very quickly]]. With Celestia helpless to do anything and Nightmare Moon repressing Luna's personality so she can't interfere, Nightmare Moon made the night last for years, causing many ponies to starve to death (as well as [[KickTheDog forcing poor Luna to watch and rubbing it in her face that it was essentially her fault]]). Eventually, Celestia could no longer stand to watch her people suffer, [[ConflictingLoyalties but also couldn't bring herself to betray her sister]]. When she finally decided to confront Nightmare Moon, the Elements failed after her first attempt. To Celestia and Nightmare Moon's surprise, however, Luna managed to take control of Nightmare Moon long enough to help Celestia banish Nightmare Moon to, well, the moon, [[HeroicSacrifice knowing full well that she would be trapped with her]]. After a tearful goodbye between the sisters, Celestia and Luna used the Elements of Harmony to defeat Nightmare Moon, [[TakingYouWithMe sending Luna away with her]]. As such, I believe Luna was TheAtoner long before she was saved by the Mane Six. |
| 807 | * I expect to see this fanfic on my desk by Tuesday. |
| 808 | ** OP here; it's funny you should mention that, because I was intending to put that in a fanfic. I just don't have the time to do it at the moment. |
| 809 | |
| 810 | [[WMG:Nightmare Moon is capable of invading ponies' minds]] |
| 811 | Nightmare Moon had a much easier time fitting in with modern Equestria and she had a custom-made temptation for Rainbow Dash. Meanwhile Princess Luna, despite having over a year to learn modern customs still had trouble. Nightmare Moon invaded the minds of the modern Equestrians for modern speech patterns and had sufficient confidence to use them. |
| 812 | |
| 813 | [[WMG:The monsters in the Everfree Forest are part of Luna's purview.]] |
| 814 | Luna's appearance on Nightmare Night indicates that she has a strong affinity with the scary and macabre. Being responsible for looking after all of the scary stuff in the Everfree Forest seems right up her alley. Also note how the Everfree Forest has gotten less and less dangerous ever since Luna came back, from "Nopony who goes in has ever come out" to "Going to visit Zecora, brb". Part of her royal duties have been to get the place better under control. |
| 815 | |
| 816 | [[WMG:Luna's appearance changes between season 1 and season 2 because she has "phases", just like the moon]] |
| 817 | [[RuleOfSymbolism It makes sense, doesn't it?]] Her kind of small, weak-looking form in the second episode could be her "new moon" form (which actually fits very well with her "newly redeemed" status at that moment) while her taller, more powerful-looking form in "Luna Eclipsed" could be more like a half moon or even a waxing crescent. |
| 818 | * Alternatively, as run with in the popular FanFic ''Fanfic/PastSins'', an Alicorn's maturation is a ManaMeter and in Season 2 she's just regained some of her lost power, after over a rest period of who knows how long, growing from what looks to be a 13-year-old-like body to a 18-or-so one, comparing assuming her full power would be something as large as Celestia. |
| 819 | |
| 820 | [[WMG:Twilight's findings about Friendship are being used for Luna's rehabilitation.]] |
| 821 | Initially, I took Celestia's giving Twilight Sparkle the mission to study friendship a thinly veiled way of giving the dutiful pony what she wanted but would never actually ''ask'' for. But on reflection, another idea occurs to me. Celestia's proven to be the type who never has just one angle. While Twilight's "mission" is partly a reward, it does in fact serve a practical purpose. Twilight Sparkle's Aesops are being used with Luna to help rehabilitate her and encourage her to reintegrate into pony society. |
| 822 | ** Building on this, it wasn't Celestia that was sending the letters to Twilight when she had been corrupted. It was Luna, who knew what it was like to fall victim to your darkest feelings. |
| 823 | |
| 824 | [[WMG:Luna really ''REALLY'' hates Celestia.]] |
| 825 | It's pretty much fanon, and they've never been seen on screen together, just once Luna collected her mind after the whole Nightmare Moon debacle, she realized how HORRIBLE Celestia is. |
| 826 | * Jossed by "A Canterlot Wedding". Celestia & Luna are not only standing right next to each other, they're getting along just fine. |
| 827 | |
| 828 | [[WMG:Luna has a pet MoonRabbit.]] |
| 829 | If Celestia can have a Phoenix for a pet, what's stopping Luna from having a mystical pet of her own? |
| 830 | |
| 831 | [[WMG:Luna is fond of children.]] |
| 832 | Princess Luna has a soft spot for children. While her interactions with Pipsqueak (rushing to his rescue when he fell into the apple bobbing bucket and at the end) might be enough for this, the reasoning for this WMG is something else entirely. Luna's FaceHeelTurn was motivated by jealousy and anger towards Ponies she felt were not appreciating her night. But, what's the ''one'' type of person who will consistently do all they can to stay up as late at night as possible? Children who want to stay up past her bedtime. Thus, Luna has a soft spot for kids because they make the most effort to see her nights than anypony else. |
| 833 | |
| 834 | [[WMG:Luna is FAR more powerful than her sister]] |
| 835 | The sun is but the nearest star to a habitable planet, which Celestia controls. However, Luna controls the night, and all the MILLIONS OF BILLIONS OF STARS. Not to mention comets, asteroids and even other planets. Luna has the potential to rule the entire universe, but Celestia is keeping her in check. Not to mention, a direct hit from the Harmony rainbow of friendship would certainly mellow anypony out. |
| 836 | * Assuming a heliocentric solar system like the one in the real world. All things considered, the way the sun and moon are shown in the show makes a geocentric system far more likely. |
| 837 | |
| 838 | [[WMG:A cohesive theory for everything that happened to Luna.]] |
| 839 | The reason Nightmare Moon spoke normally was that Luna was dormant during her imprisonment on the moon and NM could observe the goings-on of Equestria and thus update her speech when she returned. Luna also spoke normally during her short line in the pilot because she was a) shell-shocked and momentarily forgetting the Royal Canterlot Voice, and b) still retaining some NM influence there, so it took time for her normal way of talking to come back. |
| 840 | Later, Luna was going through rehabilitation, and still weak. She was bored during her lessons on the new Equestria, and when her flowy mane came back, she used some of her power to escape the castle one night, not knowing it was actually Nightmare Night. |
| 841 | |
| 842 | [[WMG:Luna's appearance changes in time with the lunar cycles. Or the lunar cycles are dependant on Luna's appearance.]] |
| 843 | There's been plenty of different versions of Luna about, including her "Nightmare Moon" phases. Perhaps she cycles through them depending on the shape of the moon. |
| 844 | * On the New Moon, she looks like a small filly, similar to Nyx from Fanfic/PastSins. |
| 845 | * When the moon is in the crescent phase, she looks like her form in the Pilot episode. |
| 846 | * Half-moon phase Luna is the Luna from "Luna Eclipsed". |
| 847 | * Full moon phase is her Nightmare Moon persona. |
| 848 | |
| 849 | Of course, this can also mean that Equestria has been under a full moon for the past one thousand years, and is only ''just'' getting back into a lunar cycle. |
| 850 | * This actually makes a good deal of sense. Celestia's previous experience was with the sun, which goes around the Earth steadily (or vice versa, whichever) -- when the Sun is up, it's day, when the Sun is down, it's night. She may have simply found it easier to keep the same cycle going, in the inverse, with the Moon. Also, it would mean that everypony would see her sister every night, safely. |
| 851 | |
| 852 | [[WMG:Cerberus is Luna's pet.]] |
| 853 | Looks intimidating but is really friendly? Check. Has a somewhat scary but ultimately necessary duty? Check. And a spiky collar really does fit in with Luna's sense of style. |
| 854 | |
| 855 | [[WMG:Luna actually sleeps in or on the moon.]] |
| 856 | "A Canterlot Wedding, Part 1" had her arrive from ''outside'' the force field around Canterlot to relieve Celestia for the night, and when she appears again at the end of Part 2 asking whether she's missed anything it seems clear that she must have spent the day somewhere else altogether again because she would have noticed the Changeling attack right quick if she'd been in or near Canterlot at the time. This would also help make sense of why Nightmare Moon ''was'' imprisoned on the moon instead of anywhere else: Celestia basically had nothing more to do than send her sister to her already-existing room and lock the door for a thousand years! (By extension, it's quite possible that Celestia's 'bed' is the actual sun, explaining where she was during most of the Season 1 pilot and why her return just so happened to coincide with the sun rising again.) |
| 857 | |
| 858 | [[WMG:Mass guessing about where Luna spends her days, GO!]] |
| 859 | * As mentioned above, the moon. After living there for a thousand years, it can take a while to move out. |
| 860 | ** Bonus Guess: Her Lunar Guards are ponies native to the moon, which is why we never see them without Luna. |
| 861 | * As Celestia lives in a [[Film/TheLordOfTheRings Minas Tirith]] expy, Luna lives in a [[Film/TheLordOfTheRings Barad-dûr]] expy. After a thousand years of disuse and neglect, renovating it is a full time project for Luna. |
| 862 | * She lives in her [[ComicBook/{{Batman}} Luna Cave]] in a remote part of the mountain, too far away to hear the battle. |
| 863 | * Canterlot. She was just stretching her wings in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E25ACanterlotWeddingPart1 part one]], and is a [[SleptThroughTheApocalypse really, really heavy sleeper]]. |
| 864 | * She was playing with Cerberus. |
| 865 | * The Palace of the Pony Sisters. That's where she lived before her banishment, and she still feels comfortable there. |
| 866 | |
| 867 | [[WMG:Luna actively participated in the battle for Canterlot.]] |
| 868 | She flew down from the castle and single-handedly beat down countless Changelings while defending her subjects. Why doesn't she remember it? Because she was sleepwalking at the time. Hence, she made her royal asswhooping with her eyes closed while [[Creator/BrianBlessed shouting something incoherent about a petrol shortage.]] |
| 869 | |
| 870 | [[WMG:Princess Luna was added to [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E25ACanterlotWeddingPart1 "A Canterlot Wedding, Part 1"]] and [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E26ACanterlotWeddingPart2 "A Canterlot Wedding, Part 2"]] at the last minute.]] |
| 871 | There was so much fan outcry at her absence from the series in general, and especially her absence in the promos for the finale. The production team noticed these comments (How couldn't they?) and to avoid a backlash they quickly recorded a couple of lines of dialogue and threw her into a couple of scenes. In the first half she is only seen from a far distance and her line in the second half is a LampshadeHanging of her absence. In both halves nopony even speaks to her and they barely glance at her. |
| 872 | |
| 873 | [[WMG:Princess Luna was the primary fighter before her banishment.]] |
| 874 | Her general demeanor and temper suggest that she's quicker to resort to violence, and being known as a quick tempered bruiser would help explain why she more feared than her more graceful sister. Celestia's win-loss record also implies that she wasn't the stronger fighter. |
| 875 | |
| 876 | [[WMG:Luna has her own palace somewhere else in Equestria, complete with her own capital around it.]] |
| 877 | Canterlot is Celestia's capital and palace, Luna's is elsewhere and is considered Equestria's capital at night. It's still under construction/reconstruction after her banishment and thus why she has to come to Canterlot to rule the Night at present. |
| 878 | |
| 879 | [[WMG:Nightmare Moon isn't evil per se so much as a misguided yang to Princess Luna's yin.]] |
| 880 | Might there be a future episode where Luna might be forced to tap into that power even though she's apparently scared to death of it? |
| 881 | * When has Luna displayed any fear of those powers? Her actions in ''Luna Eclipsed'' made it look more like she missed them. Besides, she told Twilight Sparkle that the Elements of Harmony took away her dark powers. Whatever they were, she doesn't have them anymore. |
| 882 | |
| 883 | [[WMG:Luna has been acting as Regent for the Crystal Kingdom.]] |
| 884 | The plan was always to put Cadance in charge, but a number of laws prevented her from taking the throne until after being married. To keep things running smoothly, Luna acted as Regent until Cadance and Shining Armor were ready. |
| 885 | * Related theory: [[http://mlpg.co/q/src/1342394084353.png this guy]] was a member of Luna's government before Cadance took the reins. Keep in mind, Luna doesn't have a problem with surrounding herself with creepy ponies... |
| 886 | |
| 887 | [[WMG:Luna Uses a Different Sort of Magic than Celestia]] |
| 888 | * The end of the Season 3 premiere seemed to hint that Luna might be teaching Twilight a bit in the near future. As we saw with King Sombra, there are different sorts of magic out there. Luna uses a different sort (more emotion based? more elemental? etc) that she and her sister wish Twilight to be proficient in. She is also more direct than her sister and will be less of a TricksterMentor. |
| 889 | |
| 890 | [[WMG:Luna's forming her own team in case the Element holders are corrupted.]] |
| 891 | * She has selected the Cutie Mark Crusaders, Pipsqueak, Spike, and Featherweight. |
| 892 | ** Sweetie Belle: Laughter |
| 893 | ** Scootaloo: Honesty |
| 894 | ** Apple Bloom: Loyalty |
| 895 | ** Pipsqueak: Kindness |
| 896 | ** Featherweight: Generosity |
| 897 | ** Spike: Magic |
| 898 | ** Them team has strong connections to the Mane Six, and can therefore snap them out of whatever corrupted them while still probably being able to use the elements. |
| 899 | |
| 900 | [[WMG:King Sombra is the reason Luna became Nightmare Moon]] |
| 901 | We learned in the opener of Season Three that ''1,000 years'' ago the Crystal Empire vanished and King Sombra was banished to the north by Celestia and Luna. We also know that ''1000 years'' ago Nightmare Moon was banished to the moon. But, from the brief flashback at the beginning of the episode, we can see Luna was not yet Nightmare Moon when banishing Sombra. Which means her corruption probably happened shortly afterward. |
| 902 | |
| 903 | Notice what happens when Cadence's magic cuts off part of Sombra's horn and it falls to the ground inside the Crystal Empire. What does it do? It ''immediately'' begins to darken and corrupt everything around it. And what is Nightmare Moon but a darkened and corrupted version of Luna? Something happened during that fight, perhaps a stray black magic blast or even a piece of Sombra ended up inside Luna. Also note, Sombra only comes back ''after'' Luna is purified of her darkness by the Mane Six. Maybe that darkness didn't just poof. Maybe it went home... |
| 904 | * Problem: Dark magic doesn't corrupt ponies, it corrupts the emotion-sensitive crystals of the Crystal Empire. All he could do was break the Crystal Ponies' wills, and Nightmare Moon's will was decidedly not broken. That said, exposure to King Sombra's [[FanNickName Scary Door]] could help Luna articulate some of her fears... |
| 905 | |
| 906 | [[WMG:Princess Luna will eventually return to her Nightmare Moon coloring.]] |
| 907 | The Elements of Harmony just de-aged her. The legends at the very beginning shows both Celestia and Luna being the same height, which they aren't now. Luna's grown from the normal-pony-sized, flat-maned alicorn she was when she was first de-aged by the Elements, and now she's significantly darker, taller, and her mane is flowy. Gradually, her fur will turn black (as Celestia's presumably turned from rosy to white), and her mane to the floaty star thing. Luckily for Luna, this process is gradual enough that everypony will have time to get used to it rather than fleeing in terror every time they see her. (A sort of "watched pot never boils" effect.) |
| 908 | |
| 909 | [[WMG:Luna has attempted to create wishing stars.]] |
| 910 | At one point, Luna got desperate enough for approval and affection that she resorted to bribery by creating magical stars that could grant wishes. The idea was that through the use of wishing stars, ponies would come to appreciate her and her night. Unfortunately, she was never quite able to perfect them, and they ended up as [[LiteralGenie Literal Genies]]. The trial run was a complete disaster, forcing Luna to remove them from the night sky. This served to humiliate her and bring her one step closer to becoming Nightmare Moon. |
| 911 | * ''Related theory'': A wishing star was directly responsible for Luna becoming Nightmare Moon. In a fit of rage, Luna tried to prove she could make them work by wishing she could trump Celestia. Her wish was granted in the worst way possible. |
| 912 | * Perhaps one of those wishes was [[EvilOverlord a certain power hungry unicorn tyrant]] for the [[NiceJobBreakingItHero power that enabled him to conquer his Empire.]] |
| 913 | |
| 914 | [[WMG:Luna will end up leaving Equestria to found a moon colony.]] |
| 915 | At New York Comic Con, one of the writers mentioned that they'd like to make an episode involving Luna's "abandoned moon colony". (Evidence: [[http://www.derpyhoovesnews.com/spoilers-new-york-comic-con-my-little-pony-panel-summary/ here]].) This guess is basically my attempt to figure out how that could go down. |
| 916 | |
| 917 | Once again, Luna gets frustrated that she's essentially still in her sister's shadow. This time, she tries to be more mature about it and comes up with an alternative solution: she'll gather up some ponies to colonize the moon. It will also be revealed that she had attempted something similar in the past, but that plan fell apart for a number of reasons, and Nightmare Moon spent her exile living in the unfinished colony. After an episode or two of struggling to hold the thing together, Luna succeeds in founding a stable community and finds herself feeling pretty fulfilled. She ends up deciding to stay on the moon to govern. This would serve a couple of purposes. From a storytelling perspective, it acts as a conclusion to Luna's character arc, letting her finally escape the shadows of her sister and Nightmare Moon. It would also explain why she doesn't show up very often, and doesn't necessarily preclude her from showing up in future episodes. From a merchandising perspective, a moon colony full of adorable little ponies is a pretty good springboard for toy-selling. |
| 918 | |
| 919 | [[WMG:Alternatively, the Moon colony is real, and the fan animation "Children of the Night" is right...]] |
| 920 | And the colony is full of [[spoiler:orphaned and disenfranchised children]] who she wants to take under her wing in a better and safer world. (Seen [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW5n3k2VgZE here]].) |
| 921 | |
| 922 | [[WMG:If Luna ever engages in HamToHamCombat with someone, the universe will be destroyed by a Ham Singularity.]] |
| 923 | That's why she's never met any other hams onscreen. During the Nightmare Night incident, Rarity was kidnapped by the royal guards and smuggled out of town. |
| 924 | * God help them all if they go with the Trixie/Luna fanon. |
| 925 | |
| 926 | [[WMG:Princess Luna didn't have her DreamWalker abilities back before she became Nightmare Moon.]] |
| 927 | If feeling unappreciated was a major factor in driving her to become Nightmare Moon (or letting her become vulnerable enough to whatever corrupted her), then one wonders why she wouldn't visit ponies in their sleep for recognition. It might mean that she simply didn't know how back then. |
| 928 | * Hell, she probably didn't even have that ability while Princess Cadence was kidnapped. That would have uncovered Queen Chrysalis' plot real quick. |
| 929 | * Even if she used those abilities back then, she also used the Royal Canterlot Voice to talk to her subjects. Showing up in a stranger's nightmare with a voice like a thunder storm isn't the kind of thing that ''stops'' nightmares. |
| 930 | |
| 931 | [[WMG:Princess Luna is Granny Pie.]] |
| 932 | She taught Scootaloo to face her fears, just as she taught Pinkie (and probably a lot of other fillies both before her exile and after her return). Connection is further evidenced by return of Nightmare Trees in Scootaloo's first dream. |
| 933 | * Possibly Jossed by Nightmare Night, where Luna doesn't understand the concept of "fun". And has to be taught by Twilight. |
| 934 | |
| 935 | [[WMG:Luna's archaic mannerisms in "Luna Eclipsed" were her idea of [[ForHalloweenIAmGoingAsMyself For Nightmare Night I'm Going As Myself]].]] |
| 936 | The one and only episode to date in which we've seen her use "old-fashioned" speech and the Royal Canterlot Voice is...the one showcasing Equestria's equivalent of Halloween, when ''everypony'' traditionally dresses up and acts in their best mock-scary fashion, interestingly enough. Coincidence? |
| 937 | |
| 938 | [[WMG:Luna actually always was a DreamWalker, even before Nightmare Moon...it just ultimately didn't do her any good.]] |
| 939 | Because whatever may be true for innocent foals, ''adult'' ponies weren't particularly comfortable with the idea of one of the Princesses being able to peek into their dreams at night any time she wanted (and with them presumably unable to do anything about it, either). Let's face it, if you're not currently dealing with some dream-related emergency in which just about any help is welcome, then that concept is prime ParanoiaFuel...and so Luna was ultimately not all that welcome in most pony's ''dreams'', either! |
| 940 | * Maybe there's a degree of dark power in the world that has to be expended to be dispelled, or else horrible consequences occur and the safest way to do this is to shunt the power into people's dreams, creating nightmares. Luna's job is then not only to create the nightmares in order to keep the dark power at bay, but to patrol the dreams affected so as to ensure that they don't get too out of control and traumatizing hence shutting Scoot's nightmare down when she could no longer handle it. This would give a good reason for a kind, altruistic ruler to be doing something one would otherwise consider somewhat malicious. Since creating nightmares is relatively harmless, it's also possible she was allowed to resume this duty while in exile although being corrupted and evil, she might have been more inclined to let the content of the nightmares get somewhat excessive ([[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKaeeKWtz50&google_comment_id=z13kubmbkkvehv1k123nwbezfxvtitrom04 taken from a comment found on a Youtube video]]). |
| 941 | |
| 942 | [[WMG:Luna woke up Rainbow Dash to go save Scootaloo in "Sleepless in Ponyville".]] |
| 943 | When Scootaloo freaks out and runs off into the forest, Dash is still fast asleep, wearing earplugs, showing no signs of waking up. Minutes later, she's wide awake and coming to the rescue. Maybe Luna snuck into her dreams and told her to wake up and talk to Scootaloo about what's troubling her? |
| 944 | |
| 945 | [[WMG:Luna will turn evil in Season 4...sort of.]] |
| 946 | The recent preview for Season 4 shows Princess Luna confronting Twilight Sparkle, saying she will be the only Princess. However, at the end of the episode it will turn out to have been a test by Celestia and Luna to see how Twilight would act in a situation where someone close to her turns evil. |
| 947 | * It turns out that was just a flashback to the past. |
| 948 | |
| 949 | [[WMG:Luna is very close friends with Sapphire Shores.]] |
| 950 | They're such good friends that Luna is allowed to visit Sapphire's studio whenever she wants. |
| 951 | |
| 952 | Alright, confession time. I find the idea of Luna creeping around wherever she wants, as implied by the episode, to be more than a little creepy. Hence this guess. |
| 953 | [[/folder]] |
| 954 | |
| 955 | [[folder:The Royal Pony Sisters]] |
| 956 | [[WMG:Winged unicorns aren't a naturally occurring race -- the princesses are just incredibly skilled unicorn sorceresses with a host of enchantments on top.]] |
| 957 | Note how they're called unicorns in the S1 opening. Also, unicorns used to raise the sun and the moon, according to the Hearth's Warming Eve play. All it takes to become a princess pony are these spells: |
| 958 | * Permanent wings -- possibly similar to the spell Twilight cast in sonic Rainboom, except made to last. If a permanent version of that spell created the flutter ponies, who never seemed to have Rarity's fragility problems, Princess!Twilight might end up with butterfly wings. |
| 959 | * Size-up -- Maybe they had a chat with Tenser, or maybe some "ponies" just naturally grow that big (see Sapphire Shores and Fleur -- might be a "giants walked the earth in those days" type dealie) |
| 960 | * Longevity -- might be a spell, or might be caused by the golden apple tree Celestia owns, like in Myth/NorseMythology. |
| 961 | Their cutie marks are entirely natural. Eventually, unicorns were born that could control the heavens without needing the help of the other unicorns. The mightiest unicorn wizards (Star-Swirl if he was still alive) managed to cast a spell of eternal life on the sisters, so that the unicorns would never have to do it the old, hard way again. Their princess titles might have been given to them after that, or maybe they were born into the old Unicornian royal family.\ |
| 962 | Their skills with other magic came much later; they didn't have anywhere near the talent with non-solar/lunar magic that, say, Twilight does, but have had several millennia to practice. By the time Luna went loco, Celestia had such a great understanding of magic that she could not only wield the elements of harmony single-hoofedly, she could also mimic her sister's cutie mark power. |
| 963 | |
| 964 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia created Nightmare Night as a way to soften Princess Luna's image when she returned.]] |
| 965 | Princess Celestia always held out hope that her sister could be redeemed, and was always looking for ponies to wield the Elements of Harmony to save her once she was freed from the moon. In the meantime though, what better way to keep her sister's memory alive, while not completely [[{{Retcon}} retconning]] what she had done? Why not create a fun holiday around Nightmare Moon? |
| 966 | |
| 967 | As a tribute to her sister's macabre tastes and love of the night, the holiday would involve dressing up in scary costumes and would be primarily celebrated at night. The legend of Nightmare Moon gobbling you up if you did not present her with candy could be used to promote VillainDecay and ensure her sister would have an easier time being accepted when she got back. |
| 968 | |
| 969 | Even with the false starts, you will note that Nightmare Night was the ''perfect'' time for Luna to make her return. Indeed, it's quite possible that Celestia deliberately had Luna stay out of the public eye until then, conveniently explaining her absence in the show, because she knew that's when she would be best accepted. ''Just as planned!'' |
| 970 | |
| 971 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna became goddesses after defeating Discord (and related guesses)]] |
| 972 | I'm not sure if this is the correct page to put this guess on, and its actually a theory that is several different guesses that are related. Any way, here it is. As Discord is obviously an ancient and powerful god of chaos it only makes sense that there is a god/goddess of order called harmony. Earth's management of seasons and weather etc. seem somewhere between Celestia's rule and what happened when Discord broke free so it only makes sense that things are supposed to work on a balance between chaos and order. So in the beginning Discord and Harmony governed the world together, and there was balance, so things were much as they are on Earth. Eventually Discord defeated Harmony and attempted to destroy her, but as she was a Goddess she couldn't be destroyed completely and she lived on in the Elements of Harmony. This is alluded to when Nightmare Moon attempts to destroy the elements, but they live on in the mane cast. |
| 973 | |
| 974 | So anyway, now that Discord was in control things were even more chaotic than they where in the Return of Harmony, but still nature processes went on, just without any logic. Things really sucked and so the world needed to be saved. Discord heard some sort of prophecy that it would be an Alicorn who would defeat him, so he tried to kill all the Alicorns, [[NiceJobBreakingItHerod but somehow Luna and Celestia survived the genocide]]. Together with a group of four other friends they found the elements of harmony and turned Discord to stone to avenge the alicorns. |
| 975 | |
| 976 | However, the destruction of chaos was not a good thing, as the natural chaos that kept things going ceased to exist and natural processes such as the sun and moon raising and setting stopped, so Equestria had a major problem. Celestria learned to manage the sun and Luna learned how to manage the moon, solving the problem, giving them their cutie marks, and turning the sisters into Goddesses. The ponies now had to manage the lack of chaos through order, which is why the ponies change the seasons and manage the weather. |
| 977 | |
| 978 | However, just as the defeat of Harmony didn't get rid of all order the defeat of Discord didn't get rid of all chaos. The area of Equestria that still had enough chaos to function on its own became the Everfree Forest, so named as it is the only region still free from order. Discord, being the cunning manipulator that he is managed to twist Luna to the point where he was able control her, and under his semi-possession which is also seen in the return of harmony he turned Luna into Nightmare Moon. Celestia couldn't purge Discord from Luna and turn Nightmare Moon back into her normal self as her party lacked Luna's element, and Celestia didn't want to kill Nightmare Moon as she was still Luna and still her sister, so she partly bound Luna using the five elements of harmony and banished her to the moon for a thousand years, after which she would be free, but a new set of bearers of the elements of harmony would be formed and they would be able to purge Luna. So the reason Nightmare broke free after a thousand years was not because there was some funky alignment of the stars that let Nightmare Moon break free, but because Celestia let her free so that she may be defeated and turned back in to Luna. |
| 979 | |
| 980 | [[WMG:The Princesses are not actually sisters by blood]] |
| 981 | Rather, they're "sisters" in the sense of being female members of a formal group. Ages ago, there was a method by which normal ponies could magically become alicorns, and all alicorns were members of a mystical/religious/political group which ruled over Equestria and who took responsibility for the heavens. However, internal conflicts caused trouble and disaster, and eventually the group was whittled down until only two remained... and then, of course, one. |
| 982 | * Supported by the Princesses looking nothing at all like each other except for body type (which, judging from the sign outside the beauty parlor, may just be the visual "shorthand" for pony beauty, similar to the "handsome" colt body type in the Gala episode). Most other instances of blood relation in the pony universe have shown ponies with similar colour palettes. |
| 983 | ** Not so much. Pinkie Pie is pink, while her parents were gray and orange. Twilight's color is darker then either of her parents'. There seems to be some random factor to how coloring is inherited. At the very least, the princesses could also have black and white parents. |
| 984 | |
| 985 | [[WMG:The Canterlot Sculpture Garden doesn't actually contain any ''sculptures''...]] |
| 986 | ...They're actually ponies who were TakenForGranite by Celestia. Discord does appear to accuse Celestia of this with one of his lines directed at her: "It's quite lonely being encased in stone, but you wouldn't know that ''because I don't turn ponies into stone!''" |
| 987 | * They could all be, to a pony, completely deserving of such a fate. Capital Punishment is never considered. |
| 988 | * Alternately, they could be good heroic ponies who let themselves be turned into stone [[KingInTheMountain in case Equestria needed them later]]. |
| 989 | |
| 990 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna are not responsible for raising the Sun and Moon...]] |
| 991 | ....they are instead responsible for rotating the planet; assuming the sun is still 1.3 million times the size of the planet, it's a less impressive feat than actually moving the sun, but still godlike. This is the ONLY power ANY of the ponies have that are far reaching outside of Equestria if the previous {{WMG}}s above are correct, with Celestia being forced to do double duty after Luna was imprisoned during her FaceHeelTurn. |
| 992 | |
| 993 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna are referred to as Princesses because they actually are Princesses.]] |
| 994 | It's not just because girl focused cartoons generally have princesses instead of queens, it's because these two {{physical God}}s, while ruling the kingdom, are still relatively lower ranking members of the local pantheon. The king and queen (or kings or queens) are either their parents or grandparents depending on how old they are and how high up they are on the Pantheon's food chain, are the creator gods, and, as this is a Hasbro property, may be this universe's manifestation of Primus and Unicron. |
| 995 | * So the Creator Ponies are this universe's incarnation of the [[CainAndAbel two eternally fighting brother entities]]. [[FridgeLogic Wait...]] So Mom and Dad [[BelligerentSexualTension fight a lot]] before going to their room to "rest" for a few hours? |
| 996 | * It seems that with the mythology theme pervading the series the creator gods are probably equine versions of [[Myth/GreekMythology Gaia and Ouranos]]. |
| 997 | * Then again, there could be a much more mundane reason for the titles; after all, a princess generally has to marry a prince in order to be considered a queen. Since Celestia and Luna both appear single, it makes sense that they'd retain their current titles (makes one wonder exactly what marrying one of them would entail, though, assuming it's even ''possible''...). |
| 998 | * Or it could be a buffer from Celestia to maintain her humbleness. While she is a God and quite likely the mightiest being in the Verse (probably second to old Luna [she ''did'' need the elements of Harmony to defeat her]), she realized that even a God can become drunk with power and adoration or the lack of it. So she declared herself a princess, ''a power to be'' instead of a Queen/Empress, who already has absolute power and created the entire Monarchy to divide ruling and responsibility and to maintain a tight check in her ever since. |
| 999 | * Or it could be the obvious: Equestria is a principality, and who rules those if they're female? |
| 1000 | * Celestia and Luna are the princesses, [[https://derpibooru.org/372184?scope=scpe77584d23709b69b5612b8ad6229d5f334ab172f8 Faust is the Empress]] |
| 1001 | |
| 1002 | [[WMG:A twofer: Luna and Celestia aren't ponies, but horses; horses are basically "cave ponies."]] |
| 1003 | Celestia and Luna achieved goddesshood before the rise of ponies, and bred/induced intelligent ponies from horse stock. Horses have either gone extinct, outbred and outclassed by the intelligent and magical ponies, or they are much rarer now and used as pets or servants. Actually suggesting that the Princesses are divine horses is likely to get accusations of blasphemy flung about unless you're in the right crowd. Celestia doesn't mind being called a horse (she is!), Luna is still a little self-conscious about it. |
| 1004 | * We see horses at the beginning of "The Best Night Ever", and they're apparently not even intelligent beings. |
| 1005 | ** You mean the mice Twilight turned into horses? Those hardly count. They seemed to still have the brains of mice. |
| 1006 | |
| 1007 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna are the founders of all three pony races]] |
| 1008 | These two are the only winged unicorns in the (apparent) world, and being at least 1,000 years old, they are also the oldest. One day, they decided to braid their manes together, The very second the manes touched, out tumbled the first pegasus, earth pony, and unicorn. That is how the first generation came into being, but once Luna was banished, Celestia had to instruct the ponies on how to do it "the other way". |
| 1009 | |
| 1010 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna are NOT all-powerful, immortal deities.]] |
| 1011 | I realise quite a lot of fans would '''[[TabletopGame/WarHammer40000 BLAM]]''' me for suggesting such a Heresy, but just hear me out. Think about how they make use of titles like "Princess"; regardless of their internal reasoning for doing so, such a title still implies a dynastic succession of monarchs, something which can really only happen if said monarchs are capable of dying (okay, I guess you could suggest that Celestia and Luna's parents simply stepped down or something, but where would they be now in that case? would we be expected to believe that the geriatric old King and Queen are rotting away in some isolated castle chamber?). I think it's entirely possible to assume that the Princesses, and by extension, all Equestrian monarchs, are something more akin to [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Tolkien's]] elves -- "enlightened" beings who wield extraordinary arcane powers and cannot die of old age, but are still vulnerable to disease, weapons, [[WhoWantsToLiveForever growing weary of life]], etc... that said, the suggestion is not that they're any less powerful in terms of the things they can do -- merely that they are not one-of-a-kind, probably have parents who met some unfortunate end in the very distant past (remember, in the story told in the pilot, Celestia and Luna were already in charge a thousand years ago), and are only immortal in the sense that they cannot die of natural causes. |
| 1012 | * Possibly supported by the outcome of Celestia's fight against the Changeling queen in the second part of "A Canterlot Wedding": Celestia ''loses'' against an enemy who's clearly just about as surprised as she is. |
| 1013 | * But contradicted by [[spoiler:Twilight's fight against Tirek]] in the second part of "Twilight's Kingdom", where we see that the combined magic of four royal alicorns is a stalemate vs. the combined magic of ''the entire population of Equestria plus Discord's''. |
| 1014 | * Generally speaking, there's been a fair bit of evidence supporting this view over the show's run. Besides Celestia losing her fight against Chrysalis, there is also how in "The Crystalling" Luna and Celestia, even working together, were only able to temporarily hold back the uncontrolled weather of the Frozen North and were eventually forced to give up and return to the Crystal Empire, or how during "To Where and Back Again" they were defeated and captured (of-screen, for that matter) by Chrysalis' changeling soldiers. By contrast, there haven't actually been any situations where the alicorns were shown or stated to be able to curb-stomp powerful enemies or perform god-like feats -- even their most powerful feat, raising the sun and moon, is something that a group of unicorns working together would still be able to accomplish, as per "Hearth's Warming Eve". All in all, while still certainly much more powerful than common ponies, alicorns certainly aren't godlike, and in terms of raw power are definitely below the level of magical heavyweights like Tirek or Discord. |
| 1015 | |
| 1016 | [[WMG:The reason we bever see Celestia and Luna's parents is because of copyright laws (spoilers for Webcomic/YuMeDream)]] |
| 1017 | ...for you see, Equestria is actually [[Webcomic/YumeDream Nod]]. The current queen of Equestria was a very young girl who killed Don by mistake, yet was somehow still chosen by Nod to rule. She used her newfound powers to turn all the residents of the regular dream world into ponies (several thousand dream years has lead to them forgetting their true forms- after all, Equestrians don't seem to be very good at keeping track of history), found her prince charming, and had two daughters (who are the ones who actually have all the responsibility). But we never learn this, because in revealing her true appearance, we'd see her swirly eye and hair- and Rosalarian is not allowing them to do that for some reason or other. (why they don't just use a LawyerFriendlyCameo or the like is beyond me) |
| 1018 | |
| 1019 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna are the [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Nobody and Heartless]], respectively, of Equestria's true ruler.]] |
| 1020 | Equestria was, in fact, one of the first worlds visited by Xehanort when he did his experiments. He only succeeded in creating a single Heartless (and Nobody, by accident) before he was forced to flee. |
| 1021 | * Celestia, while still having incredible power, finds it difficult to find the motivation to do [[RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething anything]] because she lacks emotion -- which explains why the main cast has to do everything themselves. All Celestia really does is keep the balance of sun and moon, and also bar other Heartless from entering Equestria, because it's all she can motivate herself to do most days. She is, in fact, nearly emotionless but like most of the Organization, pretends to have true feeling because it's less unsettling and if she does it enough, she's convinced she'll believe it herself. |
| 1022 | * Luna, while retaining true sentience because of the original being's extremely strong heart, is driven by pure emotion and desire in the same way that Xehanort's Heartless in [[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsI KHI]] was. In this case, her desire is simply to win the Hearts of all of Equestria by having them celebrate the Night and Darkness which she now embodies. When that fails, she declares war and Celestia seals her away in the moon. |
| 1023 | |
| 1024 | [[WMG:Alternatively, Nightmare Moon is Luna's Heartless; Chrysalis is her Nobody.]] |
| 1025 | In Kingdom Hearts, Heartless are created when people give into the darkness in their hearts. In ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', Luna becomes Nightmare Moon for a similar reason. Celestia returns Luna to normal in the second episode in the same way that [[spoiler:Kairi restored Sora in the first Kingdom Hearts game, which suggests that Celestia is a Princess of Heart in this continuity.]] |
| 1026 | |
| 1027 | [[WMG:Celestia Didn't banish Luna to the moon, she only banished Nightmare moon.]] |
| 1028 | Nightmare moon was the combination of Luna's powers and jealousy, since Celestia was unable to separate the jealousy by itself, she had no choice but to lock away the manifestation of her sister's powers. The Luna that was left behind was a feeble, barely alive husk, and was kept locked away in the royal palace to be cared for until her powers lost the evil taint. When Twilight and her friends wielded the elements of harmony, they successfully removed the Taint, and Celestia was able to re-unite Luna with her powers. |
| 1029 | |
| 1030 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna are the same pony.]] |
| 1031 | "Celestia" and "Luna" are two sides of the pony goddess' personality. Celestia is the goddess' "light" side, which places a great emphasis on friendship, whereas Luna is the "dark" side, more self-centered, focused on the austere beauty of the night and looking inward to herself. The myth that tells of Celestia banishing Luna to the moon using the Elements of Harmony actually represents the goddess using the Elements of Harmony to strengthen her light side and repress her dark side, allowing her to usher Equestria into a thousand years of prosperity and friendship. This involves locking some of her essence away in the moon, in the form of Nightmare Moon. She allows the spell to last for a thousand years, hoping that in that time, she'll be able to find a way to reconcile her two sides. |
| 1032 | * In the modern day, Celestia knows that her suppression of her dark side is wearing off. "Nightmare Moon" is going to "break free", meaning that the goddess' dark side will be active again, and probably dominant after a thousand years of not having to fight against it. Knowing this, Celestia sets up the mane cast to recover the Elements of Harmony. When the spell ends and Luna becomes dominant, the goddess still retains enough of her light side to create the trials in the forest that establish the six ponies as embodying the Elements. When the ponies defeat Nightmare Moon, their use of both the physical (the rock thingies) and emotional Elements helps the goddess reconcile her two sides. The scene where Celestia and Luna embrace and tell each other how much they missed each other and how glad they are to be back together, is a visual representation of the goddess finding mental harmony. |
| 1033 | * Alternatively, they were ''once'' the same pony, but split apart into two, likely because of Discord. The two halves had to learn to cooperate with one another to harness the elements to defeat him. Also their original body is probably sitting in a cave somewhere, unthinking and unfeeling, just waiting for some villain to come try to harness its power... |
| 1034 | ** Are you suggesting that Celestia and Luna are [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite Reshiram and Zekrom]]? |
| 1035 | |
| 1036 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna are the only survivors of the "war of the heavens"]] |
| 1037 | When Equestria was first made, there were bountiful alicorn gods and goddess that controlled all the natural cycles. One for the weather, the changing of seasons, the tides, caring for the animals, and so on. War broke out between these gods for some reason (Let's say the weather god and the seasons god got into an argument about when to start the coldness of winter) The gods all took sides, with the exception of Celestia, who only wanted to protect the then-infant Luna. The war killed everyone (and the sheer chaos of it all may have resulted in Discord) except Celestia and Luna, who were in hiding, and the severely wounded King of the gods, who had his powers significantly drained and now only controls what goes on in Everfree forest. Since then, they've had to teach the mortal ponies how to change the seasons, create weather, and all that other stuff. |
| 1038 | |
| 1039 | [[WMG:Celestia (or Fluttershy) would be a perfect Sugar Wiki mascot, and Luna would be a perfect Darth Wiki mascot.]] |
| 1040 | |
| 1041 | [[WMG:Luna and Celestia have a brother.]] |
| 1042 | And his job is moving the planet to ensure proper distribution of geothermal heat. |
| 1043 | * He's also Blueblood's Father. |
| 1044 | |
| 1045 | [[WMG:Luna and Celestia are actually the same age]] |
| 1046 | It's just that the sun is naturally bigger than the moon. |
| 1047 | |
| 1048 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia proclaimed the Summer Sun Celebration out of regret.]] |
| 1049 | Twilight tells Spike that the night of Nightmare Moon's return will be the thousandth year of the Summer Sun Celebration, which means, if Nightmare Moon's exile was exactly a thousand years, that the holiday was the anniversary of her banishment. Now, at the time, everypony probably thought it was a celebration of the return of the sun after Nightmare Moon's rebellion. But how do the ponies celebrate the holiday? [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything By staying up all night]]. And why was Princess Luna so envious of her sister in the first place? Because everypony slept through the night and as such didn't appreciate her labors. So after banishing her sister, how did Princess Celestia commemorate the event? By commanding all her subjects to stay up all night long. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't a way of making her subjects atone for the sin of failing to appreciate [[GodEmperor Princess Luna]] properly. |
| 1050 | * This is actually a pretty logical idea. She knew the people probably wouldn't understand why Nightmare Moon did what she did, but knew they'd appreciate the sun's return after her defeat. So she disguised it while still atoning for her sister. |
| 1051 | |
| 1052 | [[WMG:The Summer Sun Celebration is Celestia's alarm clock.]] |
| 1053 | Instituting a celebration of the sun the same year that Celestia had to banish her beloved sister does seem rather tactless, doesn't it? There is, however, a good reason. Celestia knows when her spell will end (hence the "prophecy", which is really just notes on how the spell worked) and wants to have a reminder in place. So she started an annual celebration, putting on a show for everypony, and making sure that part of the tradition is keeping track of how many there have been. The whole festival came into being because Celestia couldn't find a countdown calendar that had a picture she wanted to look at for a thousand years. |
| 1054 | |
| 1055 | [[WMG:The Elements of Harmony are a system for creating new Alicorns by fusion of a Pegasus, a Unicorn, and an Earth Pony]] |
| 1056 | Celestia and Luna were once the six previous holders of the Elements, and are cultivating, intentionally or not, the mane cast to follow them in Ascension, with Twilight Sparkle being given particular focus due to the keystone nature of Magic in the process. Presumably one of the new alicorns will be formed by Twilight, Rainbow Dash, and Applejack [[note]]the magical prodigy, the flying prodigy, and the physically strongest[[/note]] to create the Celestia-type "stronger and larger" of the pair, while the other will be Rarity, Fluttershy, and Pinkie Pie[[note]] the artist, the caretaker, and the cook/celebrator[[/note]], forming the Luna-type "smaller and less raw power but specializing in a different vital function" of the pair. |
| 1057 | * Jossed. Twilight, at least, ascended to alicornhood without the need to fuse with anybody else. |
| 1058 | |
| 1059 | [[WMG:Celestia trapped Luna in the moon when she was a young filly]] |
| 1060 | Look at the intro in the first episode. If that's accurate, then look at their size difference. Celestia and Luna are the same size. Luna didn't get any smaller or younger, so Celestia just got larger and older. |
| 1061 | |
| 1062 | [[WMG:The Mare on the Moon WAS just a legend]] |
| 1063 | Celestia noticed that her beloved student had lots of potential, but was becoming more and more isolated from her fellow ponies.... by choice. No matter how much she insisted on her to get some friends, she basically ignored her and continued studying vigorously. She decided to pull a BatmanGambit and used the old legend of the Mare on the Moon, which actually spoke of her sister Luna, who ruled on the other hemisphere, just as her rules over Equestria. |
| 1064 | She pulled some strings to make Twilight meet exactly five ponies(That's why she gave the list) and gave her sister precise instructions to make Twilight "realize" that her new friends and herself carried the Elements of Harmony. |
| 1065 | While Luna acted her part, she was on the other hemisphere(Where exists a legend of the Mare in the Sun) moving the sun and moon. |
| 1066 | That's the reason Luna doesn't appear after this, as her visit was over and she returned to her country. |
| 1067 | ** Alternate possibility. The Nightmare Moon legend WAS true, but the Mare On The Moon legend ''WASN'T''. Celestia realized that Twilight and friends could free her sister (knowing they were meant to be true friends from the Sonic Rainboom before) and that the legend just so happened to coincide with the next day. So she asigned Twilight to read that particular legend, knowing her curiosity would cause her to investigate further and then freed Nightmare Moon herself so not only could Twilight have friends, but free her sister. |
| 1068 | * Jossed. Luna has appeared multiple times in the show since the end of Season 1, with the nature of these appearances making it fairly clear that she lives in Canterlot as one of Equestria's rulers. Her lack of appearances in Season 1 can be presumed to be due to her going through a period of readjustment after returning from a millennium-long exile. |
| 1069 | |
| 1070 | [[WMG:Both princesses are horses, not ponies]] |
| 1071 | It would explain the longer legs and differently shaped muzzles |
| 1072 | |
| 1073 | [[WMG:The Princesses' parents...]] |
| 1074 | ..were a white unicorn and black Pegasus. Their mother was a white royal unicorn with great magical powers, but was still mortal and her sister, their aunt, was the one destined to take the throne, and it is her bloodline where Prince Blueblood hails from. Since she was the second born princess she wasn't raised to be as regal and formal and spent her life travelling Equestria and the neighboring lands. She learned and possibly created many of the spells Twilight studies, including the false wings. She cast it on herself and went to a Pegasus town, possibly Cloudsdale and met a handsome black Pegasus stallion. They, hooked up, and the mixing of their magic blood created terribly powerful fillies, who than took over the royal house. |
| 1075 | |
| 1076 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna both are capable of emulating space-based weaponry.]] |
| 1077 | Celestia can order some [[ThePowerOfTheSun sunlight]] [[KillSat to redirect itself onto an enemy]]. Of course, she probably has to be in space to ask personally enough, and might need a ground-based spotter. One of her less known titles (in fact deliberately covered up for strategic and diplomatic reasons a while after the time she granted it to herself) is [[VideoGame/GearsOfWar Hammer of Dawn]]. Luna herself is known as "The Lunar Lance" although nothing has ever come up where she found it necessary to drop a shooting star on anything in anger. Even when she was Nightmare Moon, she wanted to RULE, and thus collateral damage was undesirable. She was too demented to fully realize that no sunlight would condemn the world to death by starvation since crops couldn't grow. Both receive cooperation from their brother, Abyss, Lord of the Seaponies in that he clears out enough deep ocean of fish and such for them to do a little target practice with their respective weapons. |
| 1078 | * Also, if there was an alien invasion, Luna could just cause a star to go supernova and wipe out the enemy fleet before they even arrived. Celestia can do the same for the sun, but that would be an incredibly bad idea for obvious reasons. |
| 1079 | ** Giving Luna the ability to cause supernovae at will in a regular SF-type universe would leave her capable of wiping not just fleets, but entire solar systems with all their inhabitants out of existence at a whim. Now imagine living in that setting and knowing that somewhere out there there's a temperamental pony goddess who just might decide to blow up ''your'' little sun at any time for any reason. [[NightmareFuel Sweet dreams...]] |
| 1080 | |
| 1081 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna aren't gods, just ponies with very rare talents.]] |
| 1082 | Celestia and Luna hail from a time when alicorns were rare but not unheard of. They managed to learn how to control the sun and moon (or possibly even created them themselves), and that's how they earned their cutie marks. Since the ability to control the sun and moon is so rare, they had to find some means of immortality, otherwise Equestria would be without the sun and moon until another pony who could control them happened to come along. They use the golden apple tree mentioned in Best Night Ever to keep themselves young until they can find successors. They're currently desperately training Twilight and Trixie as their successors, so they can finally [[WhoWantsToLiveForever die]]. |
| 1083 | |
| 1084 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna assumed that Discord was dead.]] |
| 1085 | They weren't experienced enough at the time to realize he might have survived. And by the time they were, they had good reason for assuming otherwise: Discord hadn't shown any activity for much longer than Nightmare Moon did, and when Nightmare Moon was banished and eventually came back, it was only one user of the elements, whereas with Discord it was two. In fact, you need six to take down Discord for good. |
| 1086 | |
| 1087 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna were Discord's secretaries.]] |
| 1088 | I don't know, I just think it's funny. |
| 1089 | |
| 1090 | [[WMG:Discord made Celestia and Luna]] |
| 1091 | The original six bearers of the Elements of Harmony tried to stop him and he fused them into the two sisters for fun. Which backfired spectacularly. |
| 1092 | * Possible evidence: Luna referring to herself as [[RoyalWe "we"]] and implying that Celestia used to do the same. And yes I know it's just a royalty thing, in our world but not necessarily in Equestria |
| 1093 | |
| 1094 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna's respective elements]] |
| 1095 | Celestia = Laughter Luna = Kindness |
| 1096 | * Since there were only two of them, shouldn't they each get three? Celestia = Laughter, Honesty and Magic; Luna = Kindness, Honesty and Loyalty? |
| 1097 | ** How about Celestia: Laughter, Kindness, and Magic. Luna: Honesty, Loyalty, Generosity. That way they each have an earth pony, a pegasus, and a unicorn element... assuming that the elements are each associate with a type of pony. |
| 1098 | * Ok that works but I ment the element they most embody |
| 1099 | * Its possible that there have been other Element bearers, but history only remembers the Royal Sisters. |
| 1100 | ** One WMG somewhere listed the princesses as keepers of the EOH, joined by a griffon, an ursa major, a dragon, and ''Discord''. |
| 1101 | * I'm under the theory that Luna is Magic (Friendship), and there are four others for the other elements. This is mostly because Magic couldn't be found until Nightmare Moon was released from the Moon, and the fact that she turned evil because nobody would stay up and be her friend. |
| 1102 | * Their associated elements were shown in the second flashback in "Princess Twilight Sparkle": Celestia had Magic, Kindness and Generosity; Luna had Laughter, Honesty and Loyalty... which makes her later betrayal all the more ironic. |
| 1103 | |
| 1104 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna are mutants.]] |
| 1105 | Their parents were a unicorn and a pegasus. Two of their grandparents were Earth ponies. While normally they'd be one or the other, some genetic mutation caused them to become Alicorns. Since all ponies are capable of using magic (with unicorns the only ones who can control it directly) this gave them extra magical power. At some point they found a magical fruit that drastically increased the power, and even made them immortal. They decided to use this newfound power to defeat Discord and take over as rulers of Equestria. |
| 1106 | |
| 1107 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna never wielded the full power of the Elements of Harmony.]] |
| 1108 | That requires six ponies, one embodying each element. With just the two of them, they could only turn Discord to stone rather than either getting rid of him altogether or reforming him, and carrying all of the Elements by herself, Celestia could only seal Nightmare Moon, not cure Luna. That was why she impressed the importance of friendship on Twilight Sparkle -- only a group of friends could bring her sister back. |
| 1109 | |
| 1110 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna have always been the supreme rulers and never "usurped" the throne. Discord's "reign" was merely that of unleashing havoc.]] |
| 1111 | If anything, the land was in peace before he came along. Celestia and Luna (and maybe even their family, if they did have one) had always ruled as the Princesses over Equestria, and it was a peaceful reign until Discord invaded. Discord was never truly the former "absolute ruler" of Equestria to begin with. It was mentioned that he did rule, but that doesn't always have to mean being the actual ruler of a country. In this case, he was just responsible for a powerful reign of terror and anarchy among the ponies without any real sense of authority and there was no one that was able to stop him from doing what he wanted, because of his immense power and trickster nature. It doesn't mention that he actually HAD supreme control over all of Equestria, just that he had brought an "eternal state of unrest and unhappiness" with him. And before you mention Celestia and Luna stepping up to him, they had to discover the Elements Of Harmony first BEFORE they could petrify him. And since he became free, he is now plotting to take over as revenge for being imprisoned in stone. |
| 1112 | * Seriously, this was posted because the people over at the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' wiki seemed to jump to conclusions too quickly about Discord actually being Equestria's former ruler. |
| 1113 | |
| 1114 | [[WMG:Celestia wasn't just protecting Equestria in the pilot; she was also protecting Luna.]] |
| 1115 | If it had come to a fight without the Elements of Harmony Twilight stood a solid chance of killing her. The birth of a unicorn whose power rivals the princesses' is both a mystery and a closely guarded secret, so not even Twilight knows, but Nightmare Moon was able to tell; that's why she ran away and tried to stop the ponies indirectly. |
| 1116 | |
| 1117 | [[WMG:After "Return Of Harmony", Celestia and Luna launched the Discord statue into space.]] |
| 1118 | That way, if Discord becomes free again, he'll be far enough away that they can arrange for defenses before he manages to find his way back. Space is very big, after all. Luna could arrange for the statue to find an orbit that would make it easy for astronomers to keep track of it. |
| 1119 | * I wish that were true. |
| 1120 | * Jossed: Discord got reformed. |
| 1121 | |
| 1122 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna have empathic connections with the sun/moon and stars.]] |
| 1123 | Let's say someone tries to HurlItIntoTheSun. Depending on what the object is, the effects on Celestia could vary from itchy eyes or a headache. Solar flares make her a bit grouchy. |
| 1124 | |
| 1125 | [[WMG:There will be a Cutie Mark Crusaders episode featuring how Celestia and Luna got their Cutie Marks]] |
| 1126 | Well we've found out how the Mane Cast got theirs, and "Call Of The Cutie" ended with Celestia reading Twilight's letter and the camera zoomed in on her Cutie Mark as she thought about it. It'd certainly be interesting. |
| 1127 | ** Shoot, it would be interesting to hear more of their backstory in general. Hope they go for it. |
| 1128 | ** There's still a possibility that the Mane Cast's stories from that episode were all or mostly fake, but yeah, that would definitely be a nice idea. |
| 1129 | |
| 1130 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna's parents were lost in a great battle]] |
| 1131 | Their father wasn't cosmos, he was the Sky, protecting his daughters and their mother from the chaos of the cosmos. His power wore thin as time went on. Ultimately, he sacrificed himself to protect life on this planet. Earth fought back by supporting the sky, and lost a majority of her powers, save the Everfree forest. The eternal chaos was vanquished. Celestia Luna, and the ancestors of all ponies were forced to organize. Everything King Nimbus and Queen Tierra were responsible for, the seasons, the animals, the weather, The plants, were all failing on their own. Celestia and Luna were the only ones powerful enough to control anything beyond the sky, so they control night and day and some parts of the seasons. The Pegasus ancestor vowed to manage the weather. The Earth pony Ancestor vowed to maintain the plants and animals. The unicorn ancestor vowed to study magic, and learn to wield it in the most beneficial ways for their fellow equines. |
| 1132 | |
| 1133 | [[WMG:Queen = Unified, Princess = Shared]] |
| 1134 | The title of "Queen" implied that the realm is ruled over by a single individual dictator. However, there is no limit to how many Princesses a kingdom can have. Celestia and Luna likely chose to restrict their royal title to such in order to divide Equestria's authority equally, thus preventing any animosity based on authority issues. Following Luna's banishment to the moon, Celestia retained her title of "Princess" for both convenience's sake and to symbolically retain the shared authority with her sister, awaiting her eventual return and reinstatement. |
| 1135 | * Your premise is false: a principality can have only one princess. While it is true that, in, say, Great Britain, all the Queen's children and grandchildren are referred to as princes and princesses as a courtesy, in fact ''only'' her eldest son Charles, as Prince of Wales, is actually entitled a prince. Prince Charles' elder son "Prince" William is actually a duke, specifically the Duke of Cambridge, not a prince. If she were ''Consul'' Celestia, then you would have a case. |
| 1136 | ** That's assuming titles work the same way in Equestria as they do IRL. Equestria is presumably ran differently, since Princess Celestia is the ruler. Little girls who don't know what a "duke" is won't know what a "consul" is. Blueblood was to be a duke but little girls apparently have no idea a duke is. I think there's something to what the OP was talking about. "Queen" does have a singularity to it while "Princess" doesn't sound as finite. Of course, the REAL reason is "queens r evil n princesses r gud" in the minds of little girls... |
| 1137 | ** The Principality of Andorra is ruled by two princes. |
| 1138 | |
| 1139 | [[WMG:Neither Celestia nor Luna are aware that Luna was corrupted by an outside force into turning into [[MadGod Nightmare Moon]]]] |
| 1140 | Celestia and Luna both threat her return to normal as if she'd actually done something wrong, Celestia begging her to end their fighting and Luna asking for {{Forgiveness}}, and her upcoming appearance has her as TheAtoner. Plus, the legend makes Luna out as a GreenEyedMonster ultimately corrupted by her own bitterness. Celestia didn't write history wrong, she just wrote what she knew, that her sister got bitter and jealous then turned bad, not that she was corrupted by an outside force. Neither of them know that anything more than her being overwhelmed by jealousy was the cause. For Luna, it was simply a "what was I thinking?" reaction to her actions. She doesn't know why she acted like that but believes she did it of her own accord. They may have realized this afterwards when they could think it out or realize later when that outside force shows itself. |
| 1141 | |
| 1142 | [[WMG:Twilight Sparkle is a descendant of the Royal sisters]] |
| 1143 | Sometime before attaining Goddesshood, Celestia and Luna each bore foals. Celestia's foals were all white unicorns, and Luna's foals were all black or bluish unicorns. Several thousand years later, Twilight's Father is born from Luna's offspring, and her mother is born from Celestia's offspring. Never before have the sister's foals interacted. Thus why it was destined for Twilight to become an alicorn. |
| 1144 | |
| 1145 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna have no parents.]] |
| 1146 | They are the embodiment of cosmic forces, and so coalesced out of primeval chaos. They are sisters because they are the embodiments of paired and corresponding forces; also, the DNA of their physical bodies may be similar as would be normal siblings'. Corresponding to this, the reign of Discord was actually a period of primeval chaos and darkness, out of which the princesses created light and order, effectively bringing the universe into being. The story Celestia told to Twilight and her friends is just a highly simplified account of the creation, because only Twilight might be able to understand the more complicated version, and there just wasn't time. |
| 1147 | |
| 1148 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna are genetically engineered beings.]] |
| 1149 | They were created by a group of scientists who wanted to make a superior being by using the DNA of many of the creatures that lived in Equestria's World. Luna and Celestia were not the only ones, but they were the most successful. Obviously they were made by combining the DNA of all three pony species and maybe even other creatures. Discord was one of these experiments, made up of several creatures, making his nature so mixed up he could never think straight. Making everything else chaotic was the only way he could feel normal. |
| 1150 | |
| 1151 | He was extremely powerful, which is what the scientists wanted, but since he was so screwed up in the head he was deemed a failure. Like Mewtwo in the first Pokemon movie, he went crazy, killed off the scientists and broke out, and then proceeded to take over the land. After some time, when Celestia and Luna discovered the Elements of Harmony, they overthrew him, took over, and proceeded to fix things up and make life better for the other creatures in Equestria. The reason they didn't kill him was pity, they knew it wasn't his fault he had such a chaotic nature. They intended to find a spell that could help him, but their responsibilities to the world kept getting in the way. |
| 1152 | |
| 1153 | It got even harder when Luna became Nightmare Moon and Celestia had to do things on her own for a thousand years. |
| 1154 | One reason Celestia opened up the institute of magic was in hopes that another unicorn could find a way to help Discord. She couldn't continue as much magic study on her own anymore, but there are many talented unicorns and she believes they can do something. She questions if the magic of friendship can help, which is why she continues to ask Twilight for letters. Celestia, Luna, and Discord were far from the only beings created in the experiments. There are other experiments, with huge variety in appearance and abilities. Some may even be as powerful as Celestia, Luna, and Discord. They range from benevolent to malevolent, and we will see more of them in future episodes. |
| 1155 | |
| 1156 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna were the very first ponies to receive cutie marks]] |
| 1157 | They did so when they ascended to godhood, and they then blessed the three races of unicorns, pegasi, and earth ponies with the ability to receive cutie marks. |
| 1158 | |
| 1159 | [[WMG:'''[[NoIndoorVoice THE TRADITIONAL ROYAL CANTERLOT VOICE]]''' was phased out after Celestia and Luna sealed Discord]] |
| 1160 | With all the chaos and unrest during Discord's rule, Celestia and Luna needed a commanding voice to reach out to the ponies of Equestria, possibly continuing for some time after sealing away Discord. However, when everything was established and peace began to settle in, Celestia slowly began to tone down her voice and try to become more acquainted with the all ponies. Luna, however, could not adjust, which became one of the factors that turned her into Nightmare Moon. |
| 1161 | |
| 1162 | [[WMG:The Princesses have two "selves", one to appear more regal, and their true form]] |
| 1163 | The Grown-up horses are an illusion created by the sisters to inspire awe and obedience. However, they change back into their younger, less impressive selves in private. It's easier to do this during the princesses respective "times". Luna's magic is stronger at night, and Celestia's is stronger during the day. Celestia actually deeply struggles to keep up her royal facade during the Grand Galloping Gala, so she just greets everyone as they come in so she can retire to her chambers once all the guests have arrived. We have yet to see Celestia's true form, but the fan artists seem to have a pretty good idea of what it looks like. |
| 1164 | * To continue this, Luna's original "Regal" form was the form she used as Nightmare Moon. Her form from ''Luna Eclipsed'' was a new version that didn't have the association with Nightmare Moon while still being suitably impressive. |
| 1165 | |
| 1166 | [[WMG:The Princesses are {{Pure Magic Being}}s]] |
| 1167 | Nightmare Moon spent most of Episode 2 immaterial or shapeshifted. It just doesn't seem likely that if Luna were simply possessed it would have that much power over her body. And considering that both Celestia and Luna have shimmering, semi-translucent manes it looks more and more like they only maintain a physical form for their subject's convenience. |
| 1168 | |
| 1169 | [[WMG:'''[[NoIndoorVoice THE TRADITIONAL ROYAL CANTERLOT VOICE]]''' and other archaic forms of speech were only used by the high court to address their subjects]] |
| 1170 | Very much like how many languages have polite, formal variations of speech, only taken to the hammiest extreme. It is not, however, used by ponies of the same rank or family -- hence why Luna apologies to Celestia in plain modern English (which to her would have been colloquial slang). Using YeOldeButcheredeEnglishe with a normal speaking voice would still have been considered polite, but lacked the noble dignity of the VOICE. Nightmare Moon, meanwhile, was boisterous enough but didn't have the pseudo-Shakespearean quirks, which would have made her seem haughty yet uncouth in her original time. |
| 1171 | |
| 1172 | [[WMG:Guesses about the bat-winged ponies who pulled Princess Luna's chariot.]] |
| 1173 | * They were just ordinary pegasi; they were just wearing bat-wing costumes for Nightmare Night. |
| 1174 | * They are a different breed of pony from the pegasi, having bat wings instead of feathered wings. Seems unlikely, since we've never seen or even heard of such a fourth breed heretofore. |
| 1175 | * Something about Luna's magic automatically gives members of her retinue a more nocturnal appearance, appropriate to the [[GodEmperor Goddess-Princess]] of the night. |
| 1176 | * They're wearing enchanted armor that has a spell on it that works like the one Twilight cast on Rarity in "Sonic Rainboom" but is much stronger. Seems unlikely, however, given that the spell was so difficult that Twilight could only cast it once; a much stronger version would presumably stress even Princess Luna. Why go to all that trouble, when she could just hire naturally winged pegasi? |
| 1177 | ** Perhaps the spell to modify existing wings is much easier than the spell to make them from scratch. |
| 1178 | ** And if it is that easy (And Healthy!Luna is quite plausibly even more powerful than Filly!Twilight) there is no particular reason she couldn't cast the spell manually on each shift of guards and dismiss it when their shift ends. Depending on the exact details of how magic works in the setting, there may even be a "Transfer Spell Effect" spell, do she wouldn't have to re-cast it as often, even if it IS a difficult spell. |
| 1179 | * They're actually magically generated constructs, same with Celestia's identical white pegasi and grey unicorns. |
| 1180 | ** Do we have any reason to think that Celestia's guards are magical constructs? |
| 1181 | *** First they all look the same, second they only appear when she is around, and third Luna being Celestia's sister, have lived for a very long time and also a fellow alicorn seems to point out that the possibility that Celestia also has the capability to shapeshift and divide like her sister can is highly likely. |
| 1182 | *** See response below. |
| 1183 | * They're half-dragon ponies. Normally, half-breeds are ostracized in Canterlot (if not by Celestia herself than by all those royal jerks at the Gala), but Luna, befitting her role, takes such outcasts as her own and gives them a ceremonial position of high standing in her personal court. |
| 1184 | ** Alternatively, they're [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vamponies]]. |
| 1185 | ** They're from Pranceylvania- the local Transylvania {{Expy}}. Pegasi from the region just happen to look like that; bat wings are a naturally occuring pegasus variant but a recessive trait, so we haven't yet seen the phenotype in other regions. Luna recruits all her staff from the area; later we'll see a unicorn pony in her service with a pale coat, crimson eyes, and a black mane with widow's peak (opera cloak and thick accent optional), and an earth pony with a massive build, a coat with various green and grey patches, and a shovel-like brow (scars and neck bolts optional). Like Luna, they're all actually quite nice [[DarkIsNotEvil once you look past their sinister appearance]]. |
| 1186 | * They are Pegasi who were changed by Luna's powers to appear more appropriate as the guards of the Princess of the Night. But they wouldn't choose the job "royal guard of the Night Goddess" unless they were Goths or Metalheads, and either way they think they bat wings are pretty awesome. Just look at the smiles when they pull her chariot! |
| 1187 | * They're from the moon. |
| 1188 | * They're from the City of Tartarus, which is NOT pony Hell. There's a WMG for this in the Setting section. Though since they don't totally match their description provided, they're only half-Tartarusian. |
| 1189 | * [[http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Royal_guards M.A. Larson and Lauren Faust, former crew members of the show, have stated on Twitter that they believe Luna's guards are a different race from Pegasi and come from "[d]eep caves inside the mountains." ]] |
| 1190 | |
| 1191 | [[WMG:The Princesses are [[CompositeCharacter Composite Characters]] of the Mane Six]]. |
| 1192 | Celestia has Applejack's diligence, Rainbow Dash's mischievousness and loyalty and Pinkie's love of fun and parties. Luna has Fluttershy's social awkwardness, Twilight's by-the-book attitude (''Traditional'' Royal Canterlot Voice, anyone? Trapped for a thousand years or not, there is no way Luna couldn't have noticed that ''nopony'' talks like that in Canterlot anymore) and Rarity's desire to be noticed and [[LargeHam hamminess]]. |
| 1193 | |
| 1194 | [[WMG:The Princesses are Fused Lifeforms]] |
| 1195 | There are six Elements of Harmony, and three categories of pony, Unicorn, Pegasus, and Earth Pony. In the past, six ponies, two of each type, in a group similar to Twilight's [[Nakama]] banded together to defeat Discord. But the amount of power it took caused the original six to fuse into two new beings, the alicorns. This is also why Luna and Celestia lost the connection to the Elements of Harmony. |
| 1196 | * It follows that the component ponies were the six Founders of Equestria from Hearth's Warming Eve, which is where the rulership of all came from. |
| 1197 | ** So, which one is the leaders and which one is their advisers? For some reason I think Celestia's made from the less confrontational ones. |
| 1198 | * Celestia could use all the elements on her own against Nightmare Moon, if the legend was correct. So Celestia was still able to use the elements post Alicornization and Discord didn't seem surprised that she was an Alicorn. |
| 1199 | |
| 1200 | [[WMG:The Princesses' parents are known as Queen Gaia and King Chronos.]] |
| 1201 | Or as their children prefer to call them, Mother Nature and Father Time. |
| 1202 | |
| 1203 | [[WMG:The Princesses were behind all the special effects for the [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E13HearthsWarmingEve Hearth's Warming Eve pageant]]]] |
| 1204 | Especially the Windigos. The only thing they didn't do was the Fire of Friendship, which they let Twilight do on her own. |
| 1205 | ** And the Windigo roar at the end was their doing as well, to remind the Mane Cast of the lesson. |
| 1206 | |
| 1207 | [[WMG:The Princesses came into being from ponykind's belief in them.]] |
| 1208 | "Hearth's Warming Eve" shows the ponies of the newly founded Equestria putting up a flag depicting Celestia and Luna, even though the events described took place long before their reign. The Princesses -- being a combination of unicorns, pegasi and earth ponies -- were originally merely a symbol for the unity of the three pony races. As time went on, ponies formed a mythology around them and began to worship their image as deities. Eventually, the Princesses became PhysicalGods due to the principle of ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve, saved Equestria from Discord and became its rulers. |
| 1209 | ** Alternately, they came into being ''during'' Discord's reign. As things were hopeless, they turned to their deities, or possibly just refused to give up or the like. Their hope and unity united into a form they'd all agreed on to represent it, Celestia and Luna. |
| 1210 | |
| 1211 | [[WMG:The sisters/princesses are the founders of Equestria]] |
| 1212 | Note the flag that was planted in the Winter's Hearth play. The story either omitted or is partially corrupted. If omission then the three "servants" succeeded their masters into rule and became the three Alicorns. If corruption, then there was ever only three ponies. The "rulers" of the play were given all the negative aspects and sympathetic "servants" were added for narrative purposes. Either way the results is the same. Celestia was the unicorn for near certain. Luna could go Earth or Pegasus. Cadance can't be placed directly till she appears in show. Maybe Celestia suggested relevant roles to the Mane Six based on this. |
| 1213 | * Celestia is at home with magic with the founding of the magic school, raising sun/moon alone, connecton to Twilight. Luna was likely the pegasus. |
| 1214 | * Luna as pegasus. |
| 1215 | ** Personality wise she's a cross between Fluttershy (Shy awkwardness and the "YOU WILL LOVE ME!") and Rainbowdash (Pride and love of sports. |
| 1216 | ** Luna announces the pony races apparently?). |
| 1217 | ** Every season introduction to her has her coming from high down to low (moon to Ponyville, descending in a chariot). |
| 1218 | ** Except in corrupted as Nightmare Moon she never really uses her magic, and appeared ackward with it so this is a mark against being the unicorn. |
| 1219 | ** Zecora's story emphasizes Nightmoon flying. |
| 1220 | ** When Twilight tries talking to Luna in front of her statue what does Luna do when going dramatic? Start flapping wings, hoving and creating a wing powered wind. |
| 1221 | ** Appears way too out of touch to have been the earth pony. |
| 1222 | * Luna as earth |
| 1223 | ** Except in corrupted as Nightmare Moon she never really uses her magic, and appeared ackward with it so this is a mark against being the unicorn. |
| 1224 | ** She rode in on a chariot in Luna Eclipsed. |
| 1225 | ** She may have Fluttershy like shyness and Maredowell ep like Rainbowdash breakdown, but that doesn't mean she was a pegasus. Leading to the breakdown could have been insecurities due to being "only" an earth pony. |
| 1226 | * General: |
| 1227 | ** Luna knew Starswirl the Bearded, a magic using pony who was famous for his "animorphic spell". Animal morphing. |
| 1228 | *** Actually, they said that Starswirl the Bearded was the father of the "amniomorphic" spell which apparently means bowl shaping. |
| 1229 | |
| 1230 | [[WMG:The princesses are the purified Windigos]] |
| 1231 | The Windigos are beings that feed on disharmony to create snowstorms and coldness. Once the first founders of Equestria created the Hearth's Warming Eve. Ala Nightmare Moon, instead of destroying them, they were purified and became the princesses. |
| 1232 | If enough disharmony occurs between their subjects, they will revert back. |
| 1233 | |
| 1234 | [[WMG:The princesses are descended from Princess Platinum]] |
| 1235 | With her title, it just makes sense. Plus, the alchemical symbol for platinum is the sun symbol joined with the moon symbol. Perhaps Rainbow Dash was crossdressing and Commander Hurricane was male, and perhaps he and Princess Platinum came to more than simply tolerate each other, resulting in the two alicorns we've seen. |
| 1236 | * I think the wording in the play does confirm that Commander Hurricane was male, the other characters constantly refer to him as "he". |
| 1237 | ** And yet Private Pansy [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo6UeD3Mnfo really really really really really really really really dislike HER]]. |
| 1238 | *** That could've been a slip up on Fluttershy's part. There's already speculation that half of how Private Pansy acts is due to Fluttershy's bad acting (starting with Rainbow Dash needing to prompt her first line). |
| 1239 | |
| 1240 | [[WMG:The princesses were born to regular, mortal parents.]] |
| 1241 | Something incredibly strange happened during the mother's pregnancy, a rare and magical event, that caused the fillies to be born as immortal Alicorns with god-like powers. They may have even had mortal siblings. This would explain why they have non-Alicorn relatives. |
| 1242 | |
| 1243 | [[WMG:Luna and Celestia do have other Alicorn relatives.]] |
| 1244 | Like Luna and Celestia, they have powerful magic that they use to control major natural events to help keep the planet and Equestria running. However, they have to live on all parts of the world to do so, and they can only get together on major events, which is why we rarely see them. |
| 1245 | * Confirmed by the existence of Cadence. However, no other Alicorns have been seen outside of the three of them. |
| 1246 | |
| 1247 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna both have a [[VideoGame/TeamFortress2 a team of nine elite guards]].]] |
| 1248 | They train the cadets and play war games in their spare time. |
| 1249 | * Nine each? Or [[Franchise/SailorMoon nine for the both of them?]] |
| 1250 | |
| 1251 | [[WMG:The title of "princess" is a case of CallARabbitASmeerp.]] |
| 1252 | The role and functions of the position are equivalent to that of a queen (or co-queens, given we have two of them), but because this is not Earth, for whatever reason the position has the title of "princess." |
| 1253 | * Jossed by Queen Chrysalis. Maybe it is due to GodSaveUsFromTheQueen? |
| 1254 | |
| 1255 | [[WMG:The Princesses' family/relationships]] |
| 1256 | Luna and Celestia both have direct descendants living in Equestria that come from ancient affairs from thousands of years ago. "Taller" ponies are the result of Alicorn blood, and an Alicorn will rarely be born to parents with Alicorn heritage, e.g. Princess Cadence. |
| 1257 | Twilight and her brother are unique because their parents are both direct descendants of each princess- their father is related to Luna and their mother, Celestia. Shining Armor takes after Celestia and Twilight takes after Luna (Shining Armor is taller and lighter than his sister, and Twilight is smaller, darker, and more reclusive.) |
| 1258 | |
| 1259 | [[WMG:Luna and Celestia are exactly equal in power.]] |
| 1260 | Though their individual aptitudes likely vary. The end result of this is that in order for one of them to defeat the other, they require a boost from an outside power source. Luna tried fusing with the evil force that turned her into Nightmare Moon to overpower her sister, but was trumped by Celestia when she used the Elements of Harmony. |
| 1261 | |
| 1262 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna can spend only small amounts of time around each other.]] |
| 1263 | They are the Sun and the Moon, the Day and the Night. Their meetings are but fleeting. |
| 1264 | |
| 1265 | [[WMG:The Princesses imprisoned their divine predecessors and the Windigos and a host of other creatures in Tartarus]] |
| 1266 | It's how that section of the Underworld was primarily used in the Greek myths. |
| 1267 | |
| 1268 | [[WMG:Celestia's position was once just a local position elected from all available alicorns before the population of Equestria grew and spread and the alicorn race died out.]] |
| 1269 | With Luna on the moon and Lauren Faust-pony only existing in the meta-continuity, Celestia was still elected for a while but since there were no other candidates the election process slowly faded away. The position which she and Luna used to share and trade off was eventually escalated when Equestria was re-designated as a principality, but kept the name even when Equestria's state status was upgraded to a kingdom and then an empire. Their former position as leaders of the city of Equestria, now only a set of ruins in the Everfree Forest, is still their position, but the job title and region over which their subjects have settled had changed. Now not only is the formerly-ultimate elected position of Mayor below the position of Princess of Equestria, but so is Hereditary Princess, Prince, King, and Queen. This all happened since the original events of Nightmare Moon overshadowing Luna and being sent to the moon, thus implying that once Celestia's sister Luna was banished while serving in her official capacity, [[{{Feghoot}} she was Night-Mayor Moon, the Mayor in The Moon]]. |
| 1270 | |
| 1271 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna are Changelings.]] |
| 1272 | Just not evil ones. The reason they're so powerful and immortal is because they're loved by an entire nation. They call themselves Princesses because the Changelings already have a queen. |
| 1273 | * We know that Luna, at least, has significant shapeshifting powers. |
| 1274 | |
| 1275 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna are twins.]] |
| 1276 | Celestia being older by only a few minutes. Why does she look so much older? Well, either she stopped aging at a later point than Luna, or she's using a transformation like Luna's Nightmare Moon form. Luna is constantly annoyed by everyone else lording Celestia's slight advantage in age over her. |
| 1277 | |
| 1278 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna ''are'' [[Manga/WeddingPeach Celestia]] and [[Franchise/SailorMoon Luna]].]] |
| 1279 | |
| 1280 | [[WMG:Alicorn immortality is simply repeated Age Spells]] |
| 1281 | Trixie was able to reverse aging when using the Alicorn Amulet, if the amulet got its name by granting the wearer the power of an alicorn the princesses should be able to do the same thing. |
| 1282 | * This might also explain why Luna looked significantly older at Nightmare Night than in the pilot. |
| 1283 | * And why Cadance was younger during Twilight's fillyhood. |
| 1284 | ** Cadance doesn't to be powerful enough to cast that spell. Outside of her love magic, she's below Twilight Sparkle, so she would need someone else to cast the spell on her. And as she hasn't displayed any reason to regress herself to before adulthood, it seems likely that she's only as old as she looks. |
| 1285 | |
| 1286 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna originally had each other's cutie marks/destinies until Starswirl switched them.]] |
| 1287 | In "Magical Mystery Cure", we see that Star Swirl's unfinished spell scrambled the cutie marks of the mane 6 minus twilight. The Spell seemed to specifically work with the elements of harmony, indicating it was meant for it's bearers. Who were the original bearers of the Elements of Harmony? Celestia and Luna. Since the spell was broken and unfinished, it suggests Star Swirl may have used it once before. Meaning he may have switched around Celestia and Luna's marks, and had no way to undo it. What does this mean? It means that, originally, Celestia was the Pony of the Night and Luna the Pony of the Day. Star Swirl cast his spell, and they switched without being aware of the switch. Think of the implications to the characters, having to suddenly deal with destiny change. We can assume Celestia handled it better, but it would explain so much about Luna. Why did she suddenly resent ponies for fearing and sleeping through the night? Because, before her destiny was changed, she was the princess of the day, and interacted with all the ponies regularly. When she had to go to night, Though she was unaware of the change, deep down in her soul, she must have felt cut off and alienated from all her day time friends. She couldn't put her frustration into words exactly, so she became resentful of being feared at night. And this led her to being susceptible to becoming Nightmare Moon. This also explains some things about Celestia's interest in Twilight. Twilight, defeating Nightmare Moon, in a small way helped to undo the damage star swirl had done. (we have to assume that Celestia did eventually piece together what had happened.) Because of this, that's what gave Celestia hope that Twilight could tackle the defective Spell itself. Being able to undo and repair a millenium's worth of grief? Yeah, that would be enough to earn Twilight her princesshood. |
| 1288 | |
| 1289 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia and Princess Luna are half-sisters.]] |
| 1290 | That's why Cadance and Blueblood are described as Celestia's niece/nephew, as opposed to both their niece/nephew. We'll say they've got a common mother (the Fausticorn), but Celestia's father had other children, while Luna's didn't. |
| 1291 | |
| 1292 | [[WMG:Cadence and Twilight will eventually rule Equestria as sisters...]] |
| 1293 | ...-In-Law. |
| 1294 | |
| 1295 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna kept control of the Sun and Moon to politically disenfranchise the Unicorn population.]] |
| 1296 | Because their ability to control day and night was an essential service, the unicorns considered themselves the rulers of the pre-Equestrian country. Back when Celestia and Luna took over Equestria, they would have been the only power bloc that could have contested their position, which would have put the newly saved country at risk. Taking charge of the unicorn duty of turning day and night would have made Celestia and Luna more popular with at least two of the three races, and removed a bargaining chip from the unicorns. As time went by, unicorns would both develop their magical power less as they no longer needed to raise the sun and moon, and lose political power from no longer providing a service. |
| 1297 | |
| 1298 | Given what the caste system did to the old country, Celestia and Luna probably viewed it as empowering the other two races, rather than politically neutering one. |
| 1299 | |
| 1300 | [[WMG:The Celestia and Luna have a immortal jellyfish-style immortality.]] |
| 1301 | That is, every once in a while, they de-age, lose their flowing manes and look fairly different in the process. That's why Luna looks more like the picture in the storybook when cleansed of Nightmare Moon, while Celestia had that flowing mane, and why they both have flowing manes in the flashback with King Sombra. It also explains why ponies think Celestia is a different person from the Sun Princess, because back when she was saving Equestria from Luna's madness, she was undergoing one of her de-aging phases, so looked completely different. |
| 1302 | * That might also explain Pinklestia. That's a transitional phase. |
| 1303 | |
| 1304 | [[WMG:The Princess do not just rule Equestria; they ARE Equestria.]] |
| 1305 | As shown in 'Hearth's Warming Eve', the original three pony tribes had what reasonably seemed to be mortal rulers, and presumably when the three tribes joined to form Equestria, they also had a mortal ruler (or democracy). At the end of the episode, a banner is planted that has two alicorns -- very similar looking to Celestia and Luna -- with the sun and moon forming a yin-yang symbol, like the one seen in the opener of the series pilot episode. This is somewhat problematic for the show, as it was established in the play narrative that these events occurred before Celestia and Luna were around. However, it could be taken as the ponies, wanting something to represent their new collective unity, used the sun and moon (which would be very important for them -- despite the fact that these objects are controllable -- as they provide warmth, food, and life to the populace) as symbols along with a pony for each entity with the combined traits of the three pony tribes. |
| 1306 | |
| 1307 | Apparently, the magic of the world had a similar idea, as it gifted the new country with two newborn personifications with traits from all three tribes, one with the power to control the sun and the other the moon. Originally, the two were not supposed to rule. Instead, they were supposed to support the country's rulers. However, following Discord's takeover, the sisters decided that, since there was no one else to take the helm of the country, they would rule. They had, at first, decided that they were going to rule only until the country could get back to normal. When it was found that the sisters were very good at ruling and provided a very (relatively) stable environment compared to previous rulers, they were asked to continue ruling by the populace and agreed. |
| 1308 | |
| 1309 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia and Princess Luna are [[FusionDance fused characters]], specifically of the Founders of Equestria]] |
| 1310 | * Clover the Clever was a student of Starswirl the Bearded; thus, she had some exposure to his attempts to invent an alicornification spell (she learned of it by snooping, they discussed theory, she was in the vicinity when he tested it, whatever). When cornered by the Windigos, she cast the alicornification spell as a last-ditch effort, by instinct, or it casted itself; either way, with the power of the Fire of Friendship available, it finally worked, fusing Private Pansy (gentle, kind), Smartcookie (level-headed, practical) and Clover the Clever (academic, cunning) into Princess Celestia, and Princess Platinum (regal), Commander Hurricane (proud and militaristic) and Chancellor Puddinghead (silliness-prone) into Princess Luna. As a side-effect, the spell also ''refined'' the Fire of Friendship ''into'' the Elements of Harmony. When Twilight Sparkle casted the alicornification spell, the Elements of Harmony had already been forged and were available, and still carried the essences of the founders, providing her the Earth and Pegasus aspects without consuming her friends. |
| 1311 | * This detail is omitted from the Hearth's Warming Eve play for any of a plethora of privacy, security and/or safety reasons. |
| 1312 | |
| 1313 | [[WMG:[[spoiler:The Tree of Harmony is the source of Celestia and Luna's longevity]].]] |
| 1314 | [[spoiler:In Princess Twilight part 2 we get a good look at the tree of Harmony. The tree's trunk has Celestia and Luna's cutie marks etched into it. This would imply that they are tied to the tree in some way. As it seems to be far, far more powerful that the elements by themselves, It is possible that it is an/the anchor of their magic and if they are connected to a powerful magic font then that would definitely explain how they became immortal. Coincidentally this may also imply that by returning the elements to the tree at the end of the episode the Main Six bound themselves to it as well. As the elements did not shift back to their generic gemstone shapes but maintained the shapes of the main six's cutie marks.]] |
| 1315 | |
| 1316 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna ascended from Earth pony to Alicorn]] |
| 1317 | Twilight ascended from a Unicorn, and (assuming ''The Crystal Heart Spell'' book is cannon in this regard) Cadence from a Pegasus, so making the sisters start as Earth ponies would cover all our bases. Plus it would be cool to see that ponies from all three races can and have ascended to Alicorn. |
| 1318 | * In the [[http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/my-little-pony-amy-keating-rogers/1118877856 "Journal of the Two Sisters: The Official Chronicles of Princesses Celestia and Luna"]] it states that they were indeed born Alicorns (something very very rare) and that is why they were chosen to rule Equestria- they represented all of the different races of ponies. |
| 1319 | |
| 1320 | [[WMG:The reason that Celestia and Luna's mane are supernaturally wavy and Cadence and Twilight's aren't is...]] |
| 1321 | * Is because Luna and Celestia need to tap into the {{Ley Line}}s in order to move the sun and moon. Cadence is ruling the Crystal Empire rather than keep the world in balance, and Twilight's title is largely ceremonial. [[FridgeBrilliance It also explains why]] Celestia is so much bigger than everyone else; she's needed to double dip on the world's LifeEnergy to perform both jobs. |
| 1322 | |
| 1323 | [[WMG:The royal sisters are related to Pinkie Pie]] |
| 1324 | Because Celestia has visions, and clairvoyance is hereditary. |
| 1325 | |
| 1326 | [[WMG:The Royal Sisters' longevity is related to their role as Princesses.]] |
| 1327 | Once affirmed in her role as Princess of Equestria (Cadance's role and Twilight's up to now are not quite the same thing), a pony will not die of old age before she has a chance to find a worthy successor. Things like Luna turning into Nightmare Moon and being absent for a thousand years set the schedule back and allowed Celestia and Luna to live an unnaturally long time, even for alicorns. Once Celestia and Luna retire, Twilight and the rest of the Mane Six will be functionally immortal until they can find heirs. |
| 1328 | [[/folder]] |
| 1329 | |
| 1330 | [[folder:Princess Cadance]] |
| 1331 | [[WMG:[[http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/12/shining-armor-confirmed.html Upcoming characters]] Princess Cadance and Shining Armor ([[EarlyBirdCameo featured]] on a display seen during a party at Hasbro's world headquarters)'s roles in the show]] |
| 1332 | * Shining Armor might be a new LoveInterest for Rarity. |
| 1333 | ** If so, it almost definitely won't last, since the display depicts Princess Cadance and Shining Armor's Royal Wedding. |
| 1334 | *** Very much jossed. |
| 1335 | * The SeasonFinale will involve the mane cast attending their Royal Wedding. If a [[WeddingSmashers villain decides to interfere]], it may end in a BallroomBlitz. |
| 1336 | ** If a certain rumor is true, [[spoiler:their Royal Wedding will indeed be the second SeasonFinale]]. |
| 1337 | *** [[spoiler:And it will be called Bridlemaids.]] |
| 1338 | *** Confirmed! Except for that last part. |
| 1339 | * Perhaps they're Celestia and Luna's parents. |
| 1340 | ** Seeing as the display shows the mane six and Cutie Mark Crusaders attending their Royal Wedding, unlikely unless major TimeTravel is involved. |
| 1341 | * Maybe there'll be a LoveTriangle with Prince Blueblood. |
| 1342 | ** Jossed, though that would have been hilarious. |
| 1343 | * Cadance is Princess Celestia's daughter. Father doesn't have to be an alicorn, or even be mentioned. This also explains why she's not been addressed as a ruler, she's not. She also looks at considerably younger than them, about as old as Luna was when she was freed and doesn't have the magic hair. Unless she was sealed away for 1000 years too, she's got to be younger. |
| 1344 | ** The reason we have never heard of her until now is because the Princess Sisters have kept her a secret her whole life out of fear that something might happen to her. Eventually, Cadance gets tired of being sheltered and locked away in a castle and decides to escape. over her journey, she meets the Mane Six, some freaky monsters, and of course, Shining Armor. They fall in love, Celestia finds out, freaks out, but eventually realizes that her daughter is a fully-grown mare now and she needs to live her own life and all that good stuff. And [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments we]] [[TearJerker will]] [[ManlyTears cry]]. |
| 1345 | *** Jossed. Cadence is Celestia's niece. |
| 1346 | * Princess Cadance is in charge of the Equestrian military. This would explain her name and how she met Shining Armor. |
| 1347 | ** Actually, Shining Armor is the one in charge of the Canterlot Guard. |
| 1348 | * Princess Cadance is a disguise, for a villain aiming to usurp Celestia and Luna by playing the "long-lost eldest sister" card. |
| 1349 | ** [[spoiler:Partially confirmed!]] |
| 1350 | |
| 1351 | [[WMG:Princess Cadance is Celestia and Luna's...]] |
| 1352 | * Sister |
| 1353 | * Stepsister |
| 1354 | ** [[WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb "MOOOOOM! Celestia and Luna are making a solar eclipse in the backyard!"]] |
| 1355 | *** Mom never discovered their antics because Philomena The Phoenix always stopped Dr Discord's chaotic plans which he blamed on his silly FreudianExcuse of the day, and the fallout destroyed the evidence? |
| 1356 | * Cousin |
| 1357 | * Aunt |
| 1358 | * Daughter (Of which Princess, you decide) |
| 1359 | ** Her cutie mark's a sun partially hidden behind a cloud (maybe her dad was a pegasus). |
| 1360 | *** Only in fanart. Her official cutie mark hasn't been revealed yet. |
| 1361 | *** [[http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Fx21RCpTcic/Tzbwx_oytFI/AAAAAAAAeec/mvPb_vnu3XQ/s1600/427324_381814858502624_118429394841173_1690564_1312444965_n.jpg it has now]] |
| 1362 | * Niece |
| 1363 | ** [[http://www.equestriadaily.com/2012/03/episode-synopsis-announcement-canterlot.html Confirmed]] for Celestia. |
| 1364 | *** Which ''could'' mean that she's Celestia's niece in the same way that Blueblood is (i.e. they're actually fairly distantly related, but refer to her as their aunt for the sake of convenience). |
| 1365 | * [[Film/{{Spaceballs}} Father's brother's cousin's nephew's former roommate]] |
| 1366 | |
| 1367 | [[WMG:The power of love in Equestria.]] |
| 1368 | To me it seems logical that when Shining Armor and Princess Cadance get married the power of love will: |
| 1369 | * Transform him into an alicorn. |
| 1370 | * Render him immortal. |
| 1371 | * Turn the princess mortal via turning her into another type of pony. |
| 1372 | ** It doesn't do any of that, but it does [[spoiler:blast away an invading army away from Canterlot...]] |
| 1373 | |
| 1374 | [[WMG:Princess Cadance rules some other area of the world.]] |
| 1375 | Which is why we haven't seen her in Equestria yet. |
| 1376 | * As it turned out, she didn't ''start'' out ruling anything, but she did eventually become the ruler of the Crystal Empire in Season 3. |
| 1377 | |
| 1378 | [[WMG:Princess Cadance is in charge of some major phenomena.]] |
| 1379 | Princess Celestia is in charge of rising the sun and Luna is in charge of bring the night. So it's possible that Princess Cadance is also in charge of some major natural event. Maybe she carves the land or controls the tides? |
| 1380 | * Maybe she controls Death |
| 1381 | * Or possibly Time. |
| 1382 | * Probably stars. |
| 1383 | * Essentially confirmed: in a world where [[TitleDrop friendship is magic]], her specialty is ThePowerOfLove. [[HeartIsAnAwesomePower Let that sink in for a moment.]] |
| 1384 | |
| 1385 | [[WMG:Cadance was one of the last Elements of Harmony]] |
| 1386 | She's the only other alicorn we've met, so using what we know it's worth suggesting |
| 1387 | * If you consider the ''Literature/TwilightSparkleAndTheCrystalHeartSpell'' book canon, according to which she was a pegasus who ascended to alicornhood and isn't significantly older that Shining Armor, then this is most likely not true. |
| 1388 | |
| 1389 | [[WMG:Cadance's case is essentially the same as that of Cakes' children]] |
| 1390 | She's neither ancient, immortal, nor closely related to Celestia and Luna. |
| 1391 | |
| 1392 | She was born in modern times to a noble family that had alicorn ancestry, which manifested after some thousands of years. This is probably an [[MillionToOneChance extremely rare thing]], but Pound and Pumpkin Cake prove that 1) it's possible for a pony to be born a different type than his/her parents, as long as they have an ancestor of that type somewhere in their family tree and 2) that ancestor may even be singular and very far removed. And Prince Blueblood proves that there are ponies alive in modern times with alicorn ancestors. Why shouldn't it work for them the same way? |
| 1393 | |
| 1394 | Cadance doesn't have to be in charge of anything like the Sun and the Moon, or ruling any land. Having a lineage tracing back to alicorns (or Celestia and Luna's family) may be all that's required to grant a pony a title of prince/princess (again, Prince Blueblood). |
| 1395 | |
| 1396 | [[WMG:Cadance leads to more Luna.]] |
| 1397 | It might be the writers' wish to make episodes focusing on the immortal elders of our heroines. However, as both the Mane 6 and the CMC are [[PowerTrio multiples of three]], the royal duo wouldn't fit the show's formula. Cue princess Cadance, the third alicorn. Hopefully, she will provide a lot of character development to her peers, and we will love her for that. Her marriage with Shining Armor could also make her the "[[TheHecateSisters mother]]" to Luna's "maiden" and Celestia's "crone". |
| 1398 | * Amusingly enough, the "mother" part ended up being quite literal in late Season 5/start of Season 6. |
| 1399 | |
| 1400 | [[WMG:Princess Cadance and Shining Armor are referenced in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E17HeartsAndHoovesDay Hearts and Hooves Day]]".]] |
| 1401 | Sweetie Belle reads from the book Twilight gave her: "Apparently, some prince ''(Shining Armor)'' who long time ago whipped up this recipe and gave it to this princess ''(Princess Cadance)'' he liked. He meant it to be a love potion, but things didn't turn out so well. There's something here about a dragon ''(possibly skimming over "Draconequus")'', the kingdom falling, chaos reigning ''(another possible reference to Discord)''... Okay, apparently it was all because the prince and princess were so lost in each other's eyes that they couldn't perform their royal duties." |
| 1402 | |
| 1403 | Additionally, the illustrations in the book they read depict a male pony (with no horn, however), and a female pony with a horn ''and'' wings. If this story is a reference to past events, Princess Cadance and Shining Armor may be historical characters. |
| 1404 | * Unlikely. Even ignoring the debate over Cadance's age, Shining is Twilight's older brother and not that much older than her. |
| 1405 | |
| 1406 | [[WMG:Cadance is like the cupid of Equestria.]] |
| 1407 | Her special talent is to help creatures find their special someone, or at least help find friends. Indicated by her heart-shaped cutie mark. The alicorn in the book was her, and the love potion was part of an experiment that went wrong. |
| 1408 | * Confirmed! It's unclear whether it's her duty per se, but her special talent is definitely Love. |
| 1409 | ** Which leads to the {{Fanon}} theory that she's a CovertPervert and/or a ShipperOnDeck for all of Equestria. |
| 1410 | * Perhaps her talent is reinforcing bonds between ponies--she might be reminding the arguing couple, or [[spoiler:Shining Armor]] of their love for each other, pushing that bond and love to the forefront of their mind, so much so that it drowns out all else. As she got older, she learned to do it with more finesse so that it doesn't love-brain-blast whoever she uses her spell on. |
| 1411 | |
| 1412 | [[WMG:Cadance's appearance will offer some explanation to alicorns in Equestria.]] |
| 1413 | There are a LOT of questions to alicorns in the MLP world. Why are there so few? Where do they come from? Are they a special, separate species that happens to be very rare, or do they come into being some other way? Why are they so powerful? Are they truly immortal, or do they just have long lives? When Princess Cadance shows up, at least one question will be answered, or at least, get an implied answer. |
| 1414 | * Doesn't seem like it. |
| 1415 | |
| 1416 | [[WMG:Cadance was specifically made into an alicorn for specifically for toy purposes.]] |
| 1417 | After redesigning Princess Celestia to actually be white rather then pink, they were left with hundreds of perfectly fine, but inaccurate toys. So they decided to make an upcoming character an alicorn to sell these toys. |
| 1418 | * Partly Confirmed via WordOfGod; Lauren Faust was quoted that she was heavily involved in the wedding arc, and it was a surprise to her that Cadance was a winged unicorn. Unclear on what spurred what though, maybe Cadance's promotion was a mandate from up top, and we got a white Celestia as a consolation prize? |
| 1419 | |
| 1420 | [[WMG:Cadance is Evil.]] |
| 1421 | Since we would all feel pretty stupid if it turned out she was an antagonist, and we didn't have it in Wild Mass Guessing somewhere. |
| 1422 | * It has been said before, yes, but that [[ExcessiveEvilEyeshadow eyeliner of hers]] seems like a big clue in and on itself. |
| 1423 | ** [[spoiler:Jossed for Cadance herself... Though her {{Doppelganger}} is.]] |
| 1424 | |
| 1425 | [[WMG:Cadance had numerous husbands.]] |
| 1426 | Being immortal, she knew she was doomed to [[MayflyDecemberRomance mourn them all]] eventually. Yet it has never stopped her from seeking love. After one of her relationships ended in tragedy because of a potion, she did try to be more like Celestia and Luna, but quickly found out that she couldn't. Her defining talent is to help others find their very special somepony, who sometimes turns out to be herself. Family-wise, she is essentially the [[Literature/{{Discworld}} Gytha Ogg]] of Equestria, having great-grand-children in every corner of the principality. This, alas, includes Blueblood. |
| 1427 | |
| 1428 | [[WMG:Cadance wasn't born an alicorn.]] |
| 1429 | She started off as a pegasus, a minor noble. She won't discover she's a princess until the events of her debut episode. She'll come down with a case of adult-onset unicorn horn. |
| 1430 | * Perhaps her alicorn-ness is due to an artifact/spell/plastic surgery. |
| 1431 | ** It was a gift from Princess Luna, a wedding present granting her her dream of being an alicorn, even if only temporarily. |
| 1432 | *** Flashbacks show she was an alicorn even when she was young, so this is most likely jossed. |
| 1433 | *** Actually Confirmed if you consider the ''Literature/TwilightSparkleAndTheCrystalHeartSpell'' book canon. Cadance was born a pegasus and, in the process of stopping an evil witch draining love from her village, found herself in the same astral plane Twilight did and was made an alicorn. |
| 1434 | |
| 1435 | [[WMG:Cadance's dark secret is that...]] |
| 1436 | * She is at least part draconequus. John de Lancie said he had another MLP coming out, and someone on Equestria Daily pointed out that both discord and cadence are musical terms. Cadance may be Discord's daughter or something. |
| 1437 | * She gave Shining Armor a love potion. This episode might echo the backstory of Hearts and Hooves Day. It would also explain Shining's weird eyes in the trailer. |
| 1438 | * She's the pony of death. |
| 1439 | * She's not Celestia's niece... she's the daughter of Celestia and Discord, who used to date before the whole "raining chaos" thing. |
| 1440 | * She's the daughter of '''Luna''' and Discord. The preview only said that she was ''Celestia's'' niece. |
| 1441 | * She's a robot... [[WebVideo/FriendshipIsWitchcraft who will go on a destructive rampage on said discovery of being a robot]]. [[note]] hey, they [[HilariousInHindsight predicted the]] [[IKnewIt first half of the newly weds]].[[/note]] |
| 1442 | * She has an overdue book. Both she and Twilight consider this to be a huge deal. All the events in the trailer are shenanigans that result from their attempts to find the misplaced book without anypony finding out. This eventually leads to Discord's escape. |
| 1443 | * She made a [[DealWithTheDevil Deal With Discord]] to become an alicorn. Now, Discord is coming to collect his due. |
| 1444 | * She's a defective clone of Luna. |
| 1445 | * She's actually Celestia's Nephew |
| 1446 | ** she's a mtf transgender. |
| 1447 | *** She's (possibly a recently gender-switched) Prince Blueblood in disguise. Or maybe 'Blueblood' was ''her'' disguise all along. |
| 1448 | * She's really 3 fillies in an alicorn suit |
| 1449 | ** CUTIE MARK CRUSADERS PRINCESS IMPERSONATORS YAY!!! |
| 1450 | *** Okay, that one is pretty funny. |
| 1451 | * SHE'S THE GREAT AND POWERFUL TRIXIIIIIIIEEEE |
| 1452 | * She's Discord himself |
| 1453 | * an evil goddess bitch using twi's bro to get close to twi so she can destroy the elements of harmony |
| 1454 | * She's pregnant, and Shining Armor is the daddy. The wedding is a shotgun wedding. |
| 1455 | * She only appears just now in-universe because she was still mentally recovering from the EXTREMELY messy divorce she had with Blueblood's father, as well as the shame from having her latest son, Blueblood, turning out to be [[UpperClassTwit just like all the other stuck up nobility in Canterlot]], only ''worse''. She's pretty proud of her daughter Fleur though. |
| 1456 | * She is a [[TheSpanishPrince Spanish princess]]. |
| 1457 | * she was the one that send the friendship letters to twilight during discord's regin. Twilight only considered it dark because she doesn't like her for one reason or other. |
| 1458 | * She's not an alicorn at all! She's just a pegasus with a fake horn! |
| 1459 | * She's the alicorn goddess of stars, and she released Nightmare Moon. |
| 1460 | * She has tail extensions. |
| 1461 | * She's an evil enchantress |
| 1462 | * She does evil dances |
| 1463 | * And if you look deep in her eyes |
| 1464 | * She'll put you in trances |
| 1465 | * Then what will she do? |
| 1466 | * She'll mix up an evil brew |
| 1467 | * Then she'll gobble you up |
| 1468 | * In a big tasty stew |
| 1469 | * Soooo.... Watch out! |
| 1470 | ** Upon the episode actually coming out, it's amazing how accurate this song is. [[spoiler:For Queen Chrysalis, that is.]] |
| 1471 | ** Well, it isn't like [[spoiler:she's a [[Franchise/MarvelUniverse Skrull]]]] is an obvious guess. |
| 1472 | *** It was my [[TheKnower my]] first guess upon seeing her act. |
| 1473 | * '''The truth is that [[spoiler:she has no dark secret, only her [[VoluntaryShapeshifting impersonator]] [[{{Doppelganger}} Queen Chrysalis]] does.]]''' However some of the theories here are still priceless. |
| 1474 | |
| 1475 | [[WMG:We already met two of Cadance's kids.]] |
| 1476 | They are Prince Blueblood and Fleur de Lis, Fancy Pants' trophy wife. They aren't at the wedding because Cadance specifically did not want the former to attend while Fleur was busy with something else and Cadance was respecting her wishes. |
| 1477 | * Cadence is shown to be only a little older than Twilight, and about the same age as Shining Armor. Blueblood and Fleur de Lis would be far too old to be her children. |
| 1478 | ** Though that could be a result of Alicorn immortality. |
| 1479 | |
| 1480 | [[WMG:Cadance's secret is that she's really, really, really stupid.]] |
| 1481 | Her real name is Princess Namby Pamby. The dragons confused Celestia for her because she looks like pink!Celestia. She's dumb enough to have been held back in elementary school all this time. |
| 1482 | * Jossed. |
| 1483 | |
| 1484 | [[WMG:Cadance is Prince Blueblood's ''sister'']] |
| 1485 | Because we already have the theory she's his mother. |
| 1486 | * Cadence is closer related to Celestia than Blueblood. |
| 1487 | ** Since when? The viewers haven't been given detailed genealogical information on either of them. |
| 1488 | |
| 1489 | [[WMG:Cadance is the Princess Goddess in charge of the Fine Arts]] |
| 1490 | Because her name sounds a lot like Cadence -- a sequence of notes or chords comprising the close of a musical phrase. |
| 1491 | * If anything, she must be the Princess Goddess in charge of [[ThePowerOfLove Love]]. |
| 1492 | |
| 1493 | [[WMG:Cadance will be a ParodySue]] |
| 1494 | [[RuleofFunny Because it would be funny.]] |
| 1495 | * Seems jossed. |
| 1496 | |
| 1497 | [[WMG:Cadance can alter her size at will]] |
| 1498 | In the flashback to Twilight's foalhood she was shown to be barely bigger than the present day Mane cast, suggesting that she's not much older than them. But in "Luna Eclipsed" we saw Luna grow a foot taller and then back to normal as part of her Nightmare Moon disguise. She's probably hundreds, if not thousands, of years old and makes herself look older or younger depending on the situation, i.e. for babysitting it would be most appropriate for her to look like a teenager. |
| 1499 | |
| 1500 | [[WMG:Cadance reincarnates every generation as opposed to the immortality of the Royal Pony Sisters.]] |
| 1501 | Assuming WingedUnicorns are some sort of divinity/royalty whatnot of the world, it makes sense that Celestia and Luna are immortal and divine at some level, as they embody the sun and the moon and those aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Cadance could be the embodiment of equinity (humanity) itself, and instead of distancing herself from her little ponies, Cadance lives a mortal lifespan as a mortal pony, then is reborn a new mare, similar to the Dalai Lama or the Avatar of ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'', with her Avatar State being composed of ThePowerOfLove. This one is relatively young, and one of her older selves got in a little trouble with a love potion once. |
| 1502 | |
| 1503 | [[WMG:The Want-It-Need-It spell was Cadance's Magic]] |
| 1504 | Twilight is able to copy spells from exposure, and twisted Cadance's love magic to apply to an object with an indeterminate number of targets. |
| 1505 | |
| 1506 | [[WMG:Princess Cadence is an [[Franchise/AssassinsCreed Assassin]].]] |
| 1507 | * If you think about it, she DOES have an Italian-sounding name (full name: Princess Mi Amore de Cadenza), [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedII like another Assassin we all know and love]], and considering how much Franchise/AssassinsCreed fan art is out there and how often the cast and crew give nods to the fandom, we might see some Robed Ponies out there.... and I'll be darned if one of them isn't Princess Cadence. If it weren't for the fact that Cadence's dark secret is that [[spoiler:she's really a Changeling and that the ''REAL'' Princess Cadence was trapped in the caves under Canterlot]], this probably would've ended up being under the {{WMG}} which speculates at what her dark secret is. |
| 1508 | |
| 1509 | [[WMG:Princess Cadance is also adept at increasing others' friendship and storgé.]] |
| 1510 | Agape is an act of the will, so she's more limited in that department. |
| 1511 | |
| 1512 | [[WMG:Princess Cadence will [[MagikarpPower become far more powerful when she gets older]]]] |
| 1513 | Celestia and Luna are very powerful, but they're ''adult'' Alicorns. Cadence is only a little older than Twilight, her full power hasn't manifested yet. When she ''does'' get to her full strength, she'll be extremely powerful because she represents [[ThePowerOfLove Love]], which is a close cousin of ThePowerOfFriendship, the most powerful magic in existence (technically speaking, Friendship is Platonic Love, so it might fall under her power as well). |
| 1514 | |
| 1515 | [[WMG:Cadence's faux pas in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E25ACanterlotWeddingPart1 "A Canterlot Wedding, Part 1"]] were mostly Twilight being an UnreliableNarrator.]] |
| 1516 | Twilight made up her mind that Cadence wasn't right for [[MySisterIsOffLimits her brother]] as soon as she brushed off their SecretHandshake and was generally standoffish towards her at their first meeting. This tainted all of their subsequent interactions, and Twilight interpreted Cadence's behaviour in the worst possible way. Nopony else agreed with her assessment because Cadence's behaviour was actually fairly reasonable for a bride in her position, except for the mind control spell. Twilight was right, of course, but [[RightForTheWrongReasons for the wrong reasons]]. |
| 1517 | |
| 1518 | As a related theory... |
| 1519 | |
| 1520 | [[WMG:Queen Chrysalis was accurately portraying an upset Cadance.]] |
| 1521 | Because Cadance would always try to be in a good mood while foalsitting, Twilight was unfamiliar with how Cadance would act in those circumstances. Deceptive!Cadance failing to recognize her at first was an actual slip up, but not the other things. |
| 1522 | |
| 1523 | [[WMG:Cadence is not a 'true' Alicorn.]] |
| 1524 | Rather, she is a semi-logical extension of Pumpkin and Pound Cake's weird genetics. Where they got their unicorn/pegasus traits from old ancestors, Cadence got her wings from Celestia; however, unlike Celestia and Luna, who are combinations of all three races, Cadence is more like a Unicorn with wings attached: she doesn't seem to have the strength of an Earth Pony, and the only time she uses her wings is to glide when she and Twilight are [[spoiler:escaping the caverns and rescuing Spike and the Crystal Heart after being hurled by Shining Armor]], so it's possible she can't actually fly on her wings, only glide. Of course, she's still a very powerful unicorn, and descended from the Princesses, hence her title. She also isn't a goddess, just a very powerful unicorn whose special talent is something related to love. |
| 1525 | * If you take the chapter books into account, this is ''sort of'' true. She's an Alicorn in the same way [[spoiler:Twilight]] is, except Cadance was a ''pegasus'' before becoming an Alicorn, not a unicorn. Which means she can probably fly just dandy. it's actually unfair to say she can't really fly, because in both instances we've seen her fly, she was severely weakened and starved for days. She was in the caves beneath for days before Twilight found her and Chrysalis was feeding off her love for Shining Armour (which we saw wreaked havoc on him, too), and Shining Armour says she doesn't (or rather, it's clear she ''can't'') sleep or eat when protecting her people from Sombra. The full story of how her becoming an Alicorn happened is in the chapter book. She probably became an Alicorn and a princess shortly before being hired on to foalsit Twilight. She wasn't born an Alicorn like Celestia and Luna were. According to the chapter book, she was adopted into the royal family. |
| 1526 | |
| 1527 | [[WMG:Cadence being Twilight's foal-sitter was another of Celestia's tests.]] |
| 1528 | In one Word of God Lauren told us that not every unicorn got the egg test, and that Celestia, suspecting that Twilight was the Element of Magic, set it up beforehand. Similarly, Celestia arranged for Cadence to keep an eye on Twilight before then, both to keep an eye on her magic and personality to see how likely that was. |
| 1529 | |
| 1530 | [[WMG:[[http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Star_Dreams Star Dreams]] is the daughter of Shining Armor and Cadence]] |
| 1531 | Shining Armor is white with a blue mane while Cadence is pink with some pink in her mane. To put them together and get a light pink/purple unicorn filly with a blue and pink mane seems about correct. |
| 1532 | |
| 1533 | [[WMG:Cadance's {{Bridezilla}} behavior in "A Canterlot Wedding, Part 1" was intended to make her come off as a {{Parody| Sue}} JerkSue.]] |
| 1534 | She randomly shows up in the story with close ties to one of the main characters, insists on being called by an impressive but overly-complicated name (Mi Amore Cadenza), she's suddenly the center of attention as soon as she shows up, and almost everyone loves her and fawns over her despite how mean and obnoxious she's being. |
| 1535 | |
| 1536 | [[WMG:Princess Cadence[[note]]I'll stick with that spelling for now, thanks[[/note]] is... simply the daughter of a brother or sister of Celestia and Luna whom we haven't seen yet.]] |
| 1537 | There will be some fans that consider me a heretic for even suggesting this, but it ''is'' the least forced explanation for why she's considered Celestia's niece. |
| 1538 | * If one considers the chapter books canon, then it seems she's a niece by adoption -- Celestia took her in after she ascended to alicornhood. |
| 1539 | |
| 1540 | [[WMG:Cadence was originally intended to be the daughter of Fancy Pants and Fleur de Lis.]] |
| 1541 | This one is based on WordOfDante stating that she turned into a winged unicorn during development, the ceremony being pretty clearly a unicorn wedding (rings and all), and the fact that while we see no ''other'' winged unicorns who could plausibly be her parents show up for her wedding, Fancy Pants does make a small but noticeable background appearance similar to that of Twilight's and Shining Armor's parents. (Note that even if this should be confirmed, whether these two retain any closer relationship to alicorn-Cadence in the finished episode would be at best up in the air barring WordOfGod or future developments.) |
| 1542 | |
| 1543 | [[WMG:Cadance is the princess of a major territory or province that belongs to Equestria.]] |
| 1544 | There's no indication that she's the princess of any other land, and she's distantly related to Celestia and Luna, so it's possible she's indirect Equestrian royalty. |
| 1545 | * Maybe the Crystal Empire? |
| 1546 | |
| 1547 | [[WMG:Cadance is Princess Celestia's daughter by Fancypants, and Fleur is her adoptive mother.]] |
| 1548 | Being Celestia's daughter makes more sense than being a distant niece, but she calls Celestia her aunt because Fancypants and Fleur-de-Lis raised her. |
| 1549 | |
| 1550 | [[WMG:Princess Mi Amore Cadenza insists on being called Cadance because...]] |
| 1551 | ...she considers Mi Amore to be an EmbarrassingFirstName. |
| 1552 | * Maybe she knows enough Italian to realize that it's improper grammar? |
| 1553 | |
| 1554 | [[WMG:Cadance will be pregnant in the Crystal Ponies story.]] |
| 1555 | And the writers will have ShownTheirWork. |
| 1556 | * {{Jossed}}. Or we just don't see it. |
| 1557 | |
| 1558 | [[WMG:Cadance will be suspected of being "[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheChamberOfSecrets The Heir of Sombra]]"]] |
| 1559 | Both Salazar Slytherin and Lord Sombra were evil tyrants that had lived a thousand years before the main story, and taken control over the major location in question. Since Cadance appears to rule over the Crystal Empire, she will be revealed to have some sort of power related to Lord Sombra, which will make everypony suspicious of her. This could also involve an allusion to an exchange from the film of ''Film/HarryPotterAndTheChamberOfSecrets'': |
| 1560 | -->'''Pinkie:''' Yeah! Now the whole Empire's going to think you're his great-great-great-granddaughter or something! |
| 1561 | -->'''Cadance:''' But I'm ''not''! (frowns) ...I can't be. |
| 1562 | -->'''Twilight:''' He lived 1000 years ago. For all we know... you could be. |
| 1563 | |
| 1564 | If said WMG turns out to be Jossed, someone will write a fanfic playing around with the idea anyway, perhaps as a parody of the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' book in question. |
| 1565 | |
| 1566 | [[WMG:Princess Cadence is King Sombra's daughter]] |
| 1567 | Well, why else would she be ruling the Crystal Empire? And we know that {{Winged Unicorn}}s have lifespans of over a thousand years. Presumably she ran away just before the empire disappeared. |
| 1568 | * Unless Cadence is a reincarnation-based immortal, this is probably {{jossed}}. She was seen being a lot younger in Twilight's flashback. Either that, or she's been hiding her lifespan. |
| 1569 | ** She could have been in stasis with the rest of the Empire and woke up a decade early, she may have made herself look like a teenager to foal-sit Twilight, she might be a time traveler, take your pick. |
| 1570 | * She'd be picked as ruler of the Crystal Empire because it's a place of powerful magic whose nature depends on the emotional state of its inhabitants. A princess whose very ''talent'' is spreading love and happiness? Perfect! (Note that we don't have any actual information on how rulers are usually chosen in the setting and whether or not heredity even enters into it. Celestia has been ruling Equestria for so long that most ponies would likely be hard pressed to even ''remember'' whatever rules of succession might be in place.) |
| 1571 | |
| 1572 | [[WMG:Princess Cadance has mastered a translation spell.]] |
| 1573 | That's why the Mane Six can communicate with the Crystal Ponies. |
| 1574 | |
| 1575 | [[WMG:Princess Cadance is a descendant of the original queen of the Crystal Empire]] |
| 1576 | Which is why her cutie mark is the Crystal Heart. |
| 1577 | |
| 1578 | [[WMG:Related to the above, regardless of any relation to past rulers, Cadence's destiny was ''always'' to become ruler of the Crystal Empire.]] |
| 1579 | ''That'' is why her cutie mark is the Crystal Heart. When it first appeared everyone assumed it was solely because of her ability to spread love. Not even Celestia, with her self-confessed limited knowledge of the Empire, understood the significance of being able to spread hope and love in regards to the Crystal Empire. Celestia didn't just send Cadence to the Empire because of her abilities, Cadence had her abilities because she was destined to one day be sent there. |
| 1580 | |
| 1581 | [[WMG:Cadance is Luna's daughter.]] |
| 1582 | It has been confirmed that Cadance is supposed to be Celestia's niece. Celestia's only known sister is Luna. The conclusion is easily reached. |
| 1583 | * See all the above [=WMGs=] that address Cadance's apparent youth. |
| 1584 | ** Um... what about them? Why look at them? |
| 1585 | *** She would need to be at least a thousand to be Luna's daughter and she was visibly younger in the flashbacks to Twilight's foalhood. |
| 1586 | *** Compare Luna's form in seasons 1 and 2. In season 2 she is larger and has a darker coat, and can transform into Nightmare Moon at will. It's possible Cadance can transform as well, and assumed a younger form when foal sitting. |
| 1587 | * Jossed if one considers the chapter books canonical to the show. According to ''Literature/TwilightSparkleAndTheCrystalHeartSpell'', she was a regular pegasus who became an alicorn like Twilight did. |
| 1588 | |
| 1589 | [[WMG:Cadence isn't immortal.]] |
| 1590 | It's not that Alicorns are immortal. It's that there's something unique about Princess Celestia and Luna. There are rare mortal alicorns, but people think the entire line is immortal because the two most famous ones are. |
| 1591 | * In the pilot, Twilight Sparkle was unaware that Celestia was over a thousand years old. That shows that most ponies are unaware of just how long lived the royal sisters are, and further implies that other winged unicorns have normal life spans and other ponies know that. |
| 1592 | * With the existence of Age Spells that require the user to be very powerful, it might just be that Celestia and Luna are some of the few around that can cast that spell. |
| 1593 | * Seconded. Cadence has visibly aged at the same rate as Shining Armor. Mind you, this could be an ImmortalityBeginsAtTwenty thing, but still... |
| 1594 | |
| 1595 | [[WMG:Cadence is a recovered "''{{Chuunibyou}}''"]] |
| 1596 | Chuunibyou, or "Eighth-Grader Syndrome", is defined as a sudden outburst of hyperactive imagination among second-year junior high kids and its associated delusions of grandeur. Cadence went through this during her adolescence, which may explain where "Princess Mi Amore Cadenza" originated. |
| 1597 | * As for why Chrysalis took on the name, Cadence told her about it to trick her into giving herself away. This very nearly failed only because Chrysalis had Shining Armor under control and everyone else attributed it to her going {{Bridezilla}} until Twilight came along. |
| 1598 | |
| 1599 | [[WMG:Cadence was frozen.]] |
| 1600 | The true royal family were all killed after Sombra took over, but they managed to save Cadence by freezing her in the Arctic ice. She was eventually found by excavators, who reported the find to Celestia. |
| 1601 | |
| 1602 | OR, [[Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger "You've been asleep, Princess, for almost a thousand years."]] |
| 1603 | - |
| 1604 | [[TearJerker Hopefully, she didn't have a date.]] |
| 1605 | |
| 1606 | [[WMG:There's nothing special about Cadance's alicorn-ness]] |
| 1607 | It's a rare condition, but occasionally, a pony will be born an alicorn. Cadance is mortal. She doesn't have super-awesome abilities outside her talent. This will be revealed in an episode with absolutely no fanfare. |
| 1608 | * Jossed if you consider the book ''Literature/TwilightSparkleAndTheCrystalHeartSpell'' canon. Cadance basically became an alicorn in roughly the same way Twilight did, by performing an epic act linked to their core purpose/cutie mark (redeeming a villain/successfully researching an epic magic friendship spell) while in contact with a powerful magical artifact (the cosmic spectrum necklace/the Element of Magic). |
| 1609 | |
| 1610 | [[WMG:Cadance is in charge of relations with other countries.]] |
| 1611 | Representing the Power of Love might help. |
| 1612 | |
| 1613 | [[WMG:Princess Cadance originally learned magic from Twilight Sparkle's parents.]] |
| 1614 | As shown in ''Literature/TwilightSparkleAndTheCrystalHeartSpell'', Cadance started out a pegasus pony, not an alicorn. She gained her unicorn horn later and, almost certainly, required at least some instruction in how to perform magic. Whether Celestia could not or would not train her, Cadance sought instruction from unicorns in Canterlot and found Twilight's family. It's through this apprenticeship that she met Shining Armor and became Twilight's foalsitter. |
| 1615 | |
| 1616 | [[WMG:Princess Cadence is descended from the rulers of the Crystal Empire and is part Crystal Pony.]] |
| 1617 | |
| 1618 | Prior to King Sombra's takeover of the Crystal Empire, Cadence's ancestor -- daughter of the Empire's true rulers -- fled the Crystal Empire. Without the influence of the Crystal Heart she reverted to looking like an Earth Pony, albeit one with a very distinctive, multi-coloured mane. |
| 1619 | The ancestor got lost in the tundra and would have died if she had not been found by a pegasus stallion who took her in and nursed her back to health. |
| 1620 | By this point the Crystal Empire had vanished. |
| 1621 | One thing led to another and the ancestor and the pegasus fell in love and had a kid who was born a pegasus but with the distinctive crystal pony mane. |
| 1622 | Depending on Cadence's age this child was either her or several generations of descendants later. |
| 1623 | Cadence was born a pegasus but with the distinctive features of her crystal pony ancestry. Something happened to her parents, resulting in the filly Cadence being found in the forest by Earth Ponies who took her in. The events of Cadence's story then follow, leading to Celestia transforming her into an Alicorn. |
| 1624 | Celestia recognised Cadence's crystal pony nature and perhaps recognized her as being descended from the Crystal Princess (possibly due to the Crystal Heart in her Cutie Mark this is why when the Crystal Empire returned she sent Cadence and Shining Armor to the Empire and why Cadence was made the ruler of the Empire -- she ''is'' the Crystal Princess. As her Crystal Pony blood has been diluted she does not remain in her crystal form after the Crystal Heart is restored. |
| 1625 | |
| 1626 | Some supporting factors: |
| 1627 | * The style of Cadence's mane (multi-coloured, shimmering and with a gradient along the length) is only seen elsewhere on the Crystal Ponies immediately before they are returned to their true crystal state. |
| 1628 | * Cadence's Cutie Mark includes the Crystal Heart |
| 1629 | * Her special talent is heavily related to the effects of the Crystal Heart. |
| 1630 | * The Crystal Ponies call her the Crystal Princess (this may just be due to a resemblance though) |
| 1631 | [[WMG:Cadance is at least as old as Celestia and Luna]] |
| 1632 | In ''[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E26TwilightsKingdomPart2 Twilight's Kingdom Part 2]]'' Tirek recognizes Celestia, Luna, and Cadance. But he did not know anything about Twilight Sparkle, because she was born way after Tirek got banished. This must means Tirek met or at least heard about Cadance before his banishment. Cadance is as much immortal as the other two. (Or at least they have just longer lifespans). |
| 1633 | [[/folder]] |
| 1634 | |
| 1635 | [[folder:Shining Armor]] |
| 1636 | [[WMG:Shining Armor was referenced during Season One]] |
| 1637 | Guess what went through Twilight's head when she read out the word "brothers" from the sleep-over manual in Look Before You Sleep, or for that matter, why she would have said it in the first place. |
| 1638 | |
| 1639 | [[WMG:Shining Armor is Equestria's answer to [[Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda Link]].]] |
| 1640 | * Does that mean we'll never hear him speak? |
| 1641 | ** It would have been hilarious if Shining Armor was "voiced" entirely with VoiceGrunting. |
| 1642 | ** {{Jossed}}. He does speak. And has the same VA as Braeburn, in fact. |
| 1643 | *** Except Creator/AndrewFrancis did '''not''' voice Braeburn. He ''did'' audition for it though. |
| 1644 | |
| 1645 | [[WMG:Shining Armor is Twilight Sparkle's ''Half''-Brother.]] |
| 1646 | This would explain them not really looking a like outside of having somewhat similar cutie marks. |
| 1647 | * And somewhat similar manes too. But Pound and Pumpkin Cake already proved that pony genetics are crazy anyway (unless, [[ChocolateBaby you know]]). |
| 1648 | ** He ''does'' look like Twilight's father though (having a blue mane and similar head shape). He just has the larger build used for Big Macintosh, Rarity's dad, and Prince Blueblood. |
| 1649 | *** He also has his mother's white fur. There's no reason to believe he's not the son of both their parents. Twilight's purple color scheme is a bit more suspect, though. |
| 1650 | * Here's how I look at this theory: The Canterlot guards have a ''very'' secret breeding program only few know about, and they go to great lengths to keep others from exposing it. Certain unicorn and pegasus mares are required, and Twilight's mom somehow met those requirements. She was either coerced into participating (most likely), a unicorn guard used his magic to seduce the mom, or the mom willingly did her part (possibly because if she didn't do this, she would not be allowed to have foals with her husband. If there's no Shining Armor, then there's no Twilight Sparkle). |
| 1651 | |
| 1652 | [[WMG:Shining Armor is Twilight's ''younger'' brother.]] |
| 1653 | [[BigLittleBrother Because it]]'s [[RuleOfFunny funny.]] |
| 1654 | * Or, even more shocking, [[spoiler:[[LukeIAmYourFather her father]].]] |
| 1655 | ** Nope. She calls him BBBFF ('''Big''' Brother Best Friend Forever), although that's probably just by size. |
| 1656 | |
| 1657 | [[WMG:Shining Armor has been in the military.]] |
| 1658 | Possibly defending Equestria or helping creatures in a neighboring kingdom. If he truly is Twilight's brother, it could explain why we haven't seen him. |
| 1659 | * Confirmed, sort of. He's head of the guards, which is the closest Equestria seems to have to a military. |
| 1660 | |
| 1661 | [[WMG:Shining Armor used to be a jerk.]] |
| 1662 | Which is why Twilight never talked about him, but has since matured after joining the military. |
| 1663 | * Another theory is that the two of them had a highly spirited SiblingRivalry with Twilight being better at magic while Shining Armor was BookDumb and a better athlete. Twilight still sees him as her jerky older brother and will try to put a stop to him marrying into the royal family but will find out that he was never ''really'' that bad of a guy and will become enthusiastic about the marriage when she realizes it means she'll be relatives (however distantly) with Princess Celestia. |
| 1664 | * After seeing him in action (and in Twilight's flashbacks), we can safely consider these two {{Jossed}}. The one 'jerk' moment he has -- his reaction to Twilight's really annoyingly vague accusation that "Cadence" is somehow "evil" -- is both one he shares with everypony else present and decidedly out of character for him (at least partly justified by [[spoiler:Chrysalis' manipulations and]] the constant stress of having to maintain the shield around Canterlot); he reverts right back to being her [[BigBrotherWorship B.B.B.F.F.]] once the Changelings are dealt with. |
| 1665 | |
| 1666 | [[WMG:Shining Armor's special talent is protection.]] |
| 1667 | His cutie mark is the same star as Twilight's but on a heraldic shield. His primary unicorn spell will be a force shield. The same defensive bubble that Twilight wielded against Discord. She learned it from him, like how she copied Rarity's gem finding spell. |
| 1668 | * Confirmed that the force shield is a primary spell to him. |
| 1669 | ** Adding to this, he may be a BarrierWarrior, and able to ''weaponize'' his force fields. Think Manga/{{Kekkaishi}}. |
| 1670 | * Along these same lines, he probably got his cutie mark defending Twilight from something when they were younger. The lesson he's going to learn is to stop being ''over''protective. |
| 1671 | |
| 1672 | [[WMG:Shining Armor's groomsmen are going to be a parallel, SpearCounterpart group to the mane six.]] |
| 1673 | His army buddies, and they'll exemplify the tropes of Series/TheUnit. He'll have a creative armor-crafting or gadget-guy unicorn, a close to the earth drill-sergeant type earth pony, a somewhat-unbalanced and shell-shocked Rambo-type who likes to appear suddenly from cover and favors ambushes, a brash and cocky ChuckYeager air support pegasus, and a dependable but shy support flyer who will be a GentleGiant. Shining Armor himself takes his sister's role as the leader and spellcaster, and his buddies give him flack for overplanning things and going by the book. |
| 1674 | ** {{Jossed}}. No groomsmen were in sight. |
| 1675 | *** There were three Groomsmen (The Models were Caramel, Cherry Coke, and Blues), but still {{Jossed}} in that they don't speak. |
| 1676 | |
| 1677 | [[WMG:Shining Armor is a figment of Twilight Sparkle's imagination.]] |
| 1678 | Of course, YourMindMakesItReal combined with her powerful Magic makes him seem real to everypony else. She always wanted a brother. |
| 1679 | * ''Same for Cadance?'' |
| 1680 | ** No, just her brother. |
| 1681 | |
| 1682 | [[WMG:Shining Armor is Cadance's VictoriousChildhoodFriend.]] |
| 1683 | He's had a big crush on her since the days when she foal-sat for Twilight Sparkle, but was always quiet about it because he thought that nothing would ever come of it (she's a cerapter and ''royalty'', after all). In fact, he kept [[CannotSpitItOut sufficiently quiet about it]] that Cadance [[ObliviousToLove somehow didn't put two and two together]] until her own LoveEpiphany. (''She'' proposed to ''him''.) |
| 1684 | |
| 1685 | [[WMG:Shining Armor can create any shape out of force fields.]] |
| 1686 | His skill with force fields is such that he can use them to create any 3D shape, not just spheres, much like ComicBook/GreenLantern and [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Sue Storm]]. |
| 1687 | |
| 1688 | [[WMG:Shining Armor wasn't disabled by the Queen's magic.]] |
| 1689 | It was shock from seeing [[ShapeshiftingSquick who and what]] he had spent the past few nights with. |
| 1690 | |
| 1691 | [[WMG:Shining Armor was away at military training when Twilight got her cutie mark.]] |
| 1692 | This explains why we didn't see him in her "Cutie Mark Chronicles" flashback, and why she doesn't have a cutie mark in her "Canterlot Wedding" flashbacks. |
| 1693 | |
| 1694 | [[WMG:Shining Armor is, indirectly, the [[HoldingOutForAHero reason that the rest of the guards are useless]].]] |
| 1695 | With someone as powerful as him around, they don't bother to take their duties seriously. Why should they, when he can throw up a shield that can cover all of Canterlot? Hopefully, after seeing him get brainwashed, they'll actually start to be worth a damn again. |
| 1696 | |
| 1697 | [[WMG:Shining Armor is a BarrierWarrior, or at least has magic centering around force fields.]] |
| 1698 | Shining said that ''only'' he was capable of creating the shield over Canterlot, and his name and cutie mark have a defense motif. |
| 1699 | |
| 1700 | [[WMG:Shining Armor will receive a WhatTheHellHero speech from his sister.]] |
| 1701 | Perhaps when Twilight Sparkle sees a BrokenPedestal situation with her brother, she calls him out, and possibly her friends as well for supporting it. [[TheWoobie Twilight]]'s been TheChewToy for too long and it's nice to see something different for a change. |
| 1702 | * ... Are we watching the same show? |
| 1703 | |
| 1704 | [[WMG:Shining Armor is the ruler and creator of Tartarus and the [[TheManBehindtheMan real]] [[ManipulativeBastard mastermind]] [[TheDogWasTheMastermind behind]] [[EvilAllAlong everything]].]] |
| 1705 | From the Pre-Hearth's Warming Disharmony to the Changeling Invasion. But, wait. Wasn't he being controlled by Queen Chrysalis? [[TheManBehindtheMan No!]] [[EvilAllAlong Turns out that he was controlling her from the very beginning]]! As for Discord, he's Shining Armor's [[TheDragon right-hoof Draconequus]] following his one and only order: ''to bring chaos back to Equestria gone soft''. But, hold it. If this was all true, then why would he raise Twilight Sparkle like she was his daughter and marry Princess Cadance? [[ManipulativeBastard So that he could emotionally and mentally break them later once the time is right]]. |
| 1706 | * Thus, after [[TheReveal revealing his true identity and motives]], he then reveals his true form and his mane and eyes [[RedEyesTakeWarning turn red]]. |
| 1707 | * He then attempts to awaken Twilight Sparkle's SuperpoweredEvilSide by [[BreakTheCutie emotionally]] [[HeroicBSOD crushing]] [[CurbStompBattle her]]. |
| 1708 | ** Though [[BackstabBackfire this may backfire]] and [[UnstoppableRage Evil Twilight Sparkle may turn against him]]...[[XanatosGambit unless he wins either way]]... |
| 1709 | |
| 1710 | [[WMG:Shining Armor got his cutie mark protecting ponies from ''Twilight''.]] |
| 1711 | Unicorn foals have unpredictable surges of magic when they're about a month old. One theory has it that the power of these surges is relative to their total potential. Going from that, Shining Armor developing his shield spell to keep his baby sister from atomizing some poor schlub seems reasonable. |
| 1712 | |
| 1713 | [[WMG:Shining Armor will replace Celestia as the show's designated [[TheWorfEffect Worf]].]] |
| 1714 | |
| 1715 | [[WMG:Shining Armor insists that people only refer to him by his first and middle name.]] |
| 1716 | Because let's face it, "Shining Sparkle" would likely have gotten him laughed out of Magic Kindergarten. Better to go with a name [[AwesomeMcCoolname that sounds less embarrassing]]. |
| 1717 | * Assuming that Twilight's mother is actually named Twilight Velvet, that would give them the surname Twilight. Twilight Shining or Twilight Armor isn't too bad. |
| 1718 | * Adding to this, Shining took the last name of his wife. He isn't a fan of Shining Armor Cadenza either, but it's harder to avoid using. |
| 1719 | * What makes you think that Sparkle is his last name, rather than Twilight having the last name of Armor? |
| 1720 | * What makes you think their names are anything other than Twilight Sparkle and Shining Armor? |
| 1721 | |
| 1722 | [[WMG:Shining Armor isn't really that good a commander.]] |
| 1723 | He's a powerful asset of course, but in terms of actually doing the job of leading the Royal Guard, he's pretty terrible. His guards haven't actually stopped any crisis we've seen on the show, they've let suspicious looking ponies into the royal archive in the middle of the night (yeah, Twilight is the Princess' personal protege, but she was trying to sneak in at night without calling ahead while in disguise), and Canterlot was overrun in seeming minutes by the changelings with the guards being utterly useless. |
| 1724 | * Well, to be fair, it would be really hard to fight an enemy that is able to take the appearance of anyone, especially since the guards probably have been protecting civilians as a major focus. |
| 1725 | ** Then comes Equestria Games and he has the bright idea to have everyone subjected to the magic dampening artifact, instead of everyone save a few designated and trusted guards. |
| 1726 | |
| 1727 | [[WMG:Shining Armor's cutie mark hints at a second set of Elements.]] |
| 1728 | Like Twilight Sparkle, Shining Armor's cutie mark has the symbol of the Element of Magic as a component. We can then assume that like Twilight, Princess Celestia took him under her wings as an apprentice partially due to his prowess with defensive magic and partly due to his cutie mark, perhaps expecting him to be the new holder of the Element of Magic. (This also helps to explain why Twilight had a princess as a foalsitter before she was Princess Celestia's student, her family must have gained higher status due to Princess Celestia's interest in Shining Armor) Now the other components of Shining Armor's cutie mark are a Shield (Showing his ability to defend Canterlot with his magic) and three stars, stars very similar in design to the five Stars in Twilight's mark. In Twilight's case, the stars represent the other five mane ponies, the other Elements Of Harmony. What if Shining Armor's stars represented the same thing, a set of sub Elements with three other ponies (perhaps Cadence is one of those three) |
| 1729 | * I like that, perhaps it's related to love? I mean, Shining Armor and Cadence defeated you know who using the power of love, perhaps it as to do with the elements of love and why not. |
| 1730 | ** Like, Twilight's group are the Elements of Harmony, but Shining Armor and Cadance would be part of the Elements of Passion? Platonic harmony versus fiery (not necessarily romantic, except in the case of Cadance who happens to be in love with Shining Armor) passion? Love as the central equivalent of Friendship, with Protection and four others ([[IdealizedSex Physical]] [[FightingYourFriend Interaction]]? [[{{Expy}} Fidelity]]? [[SixthRangerTraitor Obsession]])? |
| 1731 | |
| 1732 | [[WMG:Shining Armor will have another fight with his sister again, this time it'll be more serious than the wedding rehearsal incident, and it will escalates to SiblingRivalry.]] |
| 1733 | |
| 1734 | [[WMG:Shining Armor will develop an inferiority complex.]] |
| 1735 | Why? Alicorns. Alicorns everywhere. His wife is an alicorn. His boss is an alicorn. His boss' sister is an alicorn. His ''own'' sister is now an alicorn. Even if those four are the only four alicorns in Equestria, he's still probably going to be one of the few ponies who's ever honestly able to say he was, at one point, the only ''non''-alicorn in the room. As alicorns are rare, special, and majestic, and he's just a plain old ordinary unicorn... Yeah. That can't lead to anything good. |
| 1736 | |
| 1737 | [[WMG:Shining Armor is the most powerful unicorn to ever live.]] |
| 1738 | Maybe a bit of a stretch, but certainly he's the most powerful in the show. Even Twilight, for all her magic cutie mark and prodigy skills, never showed anything nearly on the same scale as putting a barrier around all of Canterlot as Shining Armor did for an extended period. In fact, only Celestia has ever actually shown on-screen magic on a greater scale than that, with her moving of the sun. |
| 1739 | * The show seems to indicate that a pony's talent allows them to do more magic within their talent than outside it. His ability to cast the shield is a specialization that doesn't necessarily translate to other abilities. He might be able to create a magical shield, but he's not necessarily able to channel that ability into other effects. Cadance was able to surround the entire Crystal Empire with a love shield to stop King Sombra, but Chrysalis kicked her ass and locked her in the Canterlot catacombs with no apparent trouble and Cadance seemed powerless to break herself out. |
| 1740 | ** The love-powered alicorn was weaker when facing an enemy whose own power was the ability to parasitically feed off of love? Ya don't say! |
| 1741 | *** Given that Chrysalis attributes her victory entirely to Shining Armor and not Cadance, it undermines the notion that she was super effective vs Cadance. |
| 1742 | |
| 1743 | [[WMG:Shining Armor hasn't forgiven Discord for his betrayal in "Twilight's Kingdom".]] |
| 1744 | Him not being present with the Mane 6, Spike, the other princesses, and Discord himself in Twilight's new castle at the end could be an indication of this. |
| 1745 | |
| 1746 | [[WMG:Shining Armor will be slain by the next ArcVillain.]] |
| 1747 | Shining Armor has the tendency of being [[TheWorfEffect worfed]] by major villains, such as getting MindRape by Queen Chrysalis, his horn encrusted by Sombra, and his magic drained by Tirek,[[FourIsDeath his fourth encounter with next antagonist could spell his doom.]] |
| 1748 | |
| 1749 | [[WMG:Alternately, Shining Armor will suffer a Cutie Mark Failure Insanity Syndrome breakdown.]] |
| 1750 | With his habit of getting hit with TheWorfEffect, the poor stallion is long overdue for one. After an attack or accident threatens Cadance and Flurry Heart, Shining becomes increasingly overprotective in his attempt to safeguard his wife and his daughter. Ultimately, he tries out an ancient, forbidden spell, which works, but begins draining his life force. Cadance and Twilight rush to talk him down from the precipice, and he emotionally confesses how horrible he feels about never being able to protect anypony he really cares about (citing some of the incidents that have happened so far on the show). His wife and his sister manage to convince him that this is not the way to do it, and he collapses, exhausted, into their arms. Afterwards, Twilight begins teaching her brother some tricks to increase his fighting ability safely, which may allow him to avoid getting worfed next time (or at least provide a CurbStompCushion that will enable him to pull another important YouShallNotPass). |
| 1751 | |
| 1752 | [[WMG:Shining Armor will have his horn severely damaged.]] |
| 1753 | The next ArcVillain will make an attempt to fillynap Flurry Heart only to be stop by Prince Shining Armor. He/She and Shining Armor engage in a BeamOWar , only for the baddie to not only overpower the unicorn but sending the beam into Shining's horn,overheating it and finally burning it a crisp, leaving the him completely incapacitated (once again). After The BigBad is defeated and sent to Tartarus, Twilight will go from searching all through the Crystal Empire's Library shelves to seeking Zecora's knowledge on elixirs and remedies in order to find a way to restore her brother's horn back the way it was. |
| 1754 | [[/folder]] |
| 1755 | |
| 1756 | [[folder:Princess Flurry Heart]] |
| 1757 | [[WMG:Flurry Heart will get kidnapped by a villain in the Season 6 opener.]] |
| 1758 | Considering that she is perhaps the first alicorn to be naturally born in a millennia, she could have been born with incredible power. This could serve to attract some dangerous enemies to the Crystal Empire. For example: |
| 1759 | * Queen Chrysalis could discover the existence of Flurry Heart via a Changeling disguised as a guard and have said guard kidnap her in the middle of the night and hold her for ransom, asking for her parents to hand over the Crystal Empire to her so that the changelings can feed off the love radiating from the Crystal Heart. This could backfire, however, if Chrysalis tries to feed off of Flurry Heart's magic. The unfiltered power of Flurry Heart would be too much for Chrysalis, and it could end up blasting her and the Changelings away again, killing them, or simply draining all the energy out of them and reducing Chrysalis to begging for her life. |
| 1760 | * Although WordOfGod has confirmed his death, King Sombra could return as a ghost to take his revenge on Cadence and Shining Armor by taking Flurry Heart and using her magic in a ritual in which he brings himself back from the dead. He might also try to corrupt Flurry Heart by merging her magic with his. As with Chrysalis, this plan could backfire in that Flurry Heart's heart is so pure and innocent that it can't be corrupted, and therefore the pure and unfiltered power that Flurry has within her will overwhelm Sombra and perhaps make sure he stays dead. |
| 1761 | * Flurry Heart's potential kidnapper might not be a returning foe. Instead her kidnapper could be a new villain. If it is a new villain, it could be a BadassNormal Earth Pony from a foreign land, who wants to somehow harness the baby princess' magic to conquer their homeland. An aspiring warlord who kidnaps children would definitely fit in and continue the show having [[VileVillainSaccharineShow dangerous and frightening antagonists]]. |
| 1762 | * Jossed. "The Crystalling" did not involve any kidnapping. |
| 1763 | |
| 1764 | [[WMG:Flurry Heart's debut will involve some babysitting shenanigans.]] |
| 1765 | On a more comical side, Twilight and her friends will be called over to help babysit Flurry Heart as Cadence and Shining Armor get some much-needed rest after spending a good amount of their days following her birth dealing with her unregulated bursts of magical energy. Each of the Mane Six could take turns watching the baby princess over the course of the episode(s); Pinkie Pie's shift will involve {{Call Back}}s to when she first babysat the Cake Twins. |
| 1766 | * On the darker side, however, the Princess' antics could draw the attention of a dangerous foe... |
| 1767 | * Confirmed, with Pinkie Pie, Rarity, Cadance and Shining Armor trying to keep Flurry Heart under control while the others tried to figure out a way to repair the Crystal Heart. |
| 1768 | |
| 1769 | [[WMG:Flurry Heart's cutie mark will have yellow in it.]] |
| 1770 | All unicorns and alicorns have ColorCodedWizardry, and what color their magic is ''somewhere'' on their bodies. (Example: Twilight's is hot pink like the streak in her mane and cutie mark.) Flurry's is yellow, yet she doesn't have a trace of yellow on her...at least not when we see her. When she gets her cutie mark, it will be yellow. She would also be taking after her mother, as Cadence's color is cyan, and the only cyan she has is on her cutie mark. |
| 1771 | |
| 1772 | [[WMG:In a later episode, when Flurry Heart is older, her parents will tell her why they gave her her name.]] |
| 1773 | When the young princess is old enough to understand, she may innocently ask why, and when her mother, father, or both of them explain the reason, she may end up having a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment leading into a HeroicBSOD with her sitting in her room crying, believing that she doesn't deserve to be the heir to Crystal Empire because she almost turned it into a frozen wasteland. Her parents will comfort her, however, explaining that they and all of the Empire's citizens don't think any less of her because she was a baby at the time it happened and therefore didn't know exactly what she was capable of doing. |
| 1774 | |
| 1775 | [[WMG:Flurry Heart will be the next Princess of Love.]] |
| 1776 | Going by the theory that Cadence is not immortal, it would seem likely that she'd eventually have to step down and let her daughter take over. |
| 1777 | |
| 1778 | [[WMG:Flurry Heart will be the main protagonist in a sequel series following the adventures of the Mane Six's children.]] |
| 1779 | There's plenty of potential for the future characterization of Flurry Heart, and in such a spin-off, she could take the place of Twilight Sparkle with said pony taking the role of Princess Celestia as a mentor. They, in turn, can learn their own lessons about friendship while Flurry Heart simultaneously has to deal with the stresses and responsibilities of a ruler. |
| 1780 | |
| 1781 | [[WMG:Flurry Heart will become an in-universe equivalent to [[Anime/DragonBallZ Son Gohan]].]] |
| 1782 | She's already a unicorn/alicorn hybrid, and it's shown that she has more power than most adult ponies at her age. Not only that, but she accidentally destroyed the Crystal Heart merely by crying, which can be compared to Gohan's bursts of rage, showing her true potential. Now all we need is for her to find a way to transform like the Mane 6's Rainbow Power, and we have a clear connection. |
| 1783 | |
| 1784 | [[WMG:Flurry Heart will grow up to be the [[ActualPacifist Princess of Peace/Diplomacy]].]] |
| 1785 | Given the fact that the premise of the show revolves around the elements of friendship and most of the Equestrian royalty has already covered some of them (Mane 6 = Friendship itself; Princess Cadance = Love; Princess Celestia and Luna = Harmony), it's only natural that peace/diplomacy is one of the remaining elements left that Flurry Heart could exhibit once she's sufficiently grown. |
| 1786 | |
| 1787 | [[WMG:Flurry Heart is the first ever Alicorn to have been born as such.]] |
| 1788 | This is going by the characters' reaction in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E1TheCrystallingPart1 The Crystalling]]" to her having been born as an Alicorn. |
| 1789 | |
| 1790 | -->'''Rarity:''' But... but... but I thought Alicorn wings had to be earned by accomplishing some great, princess-worthy deed!\ |
| 1791 | '''Applejack:''' Yeah. How can you just be born with 'em?\ |
| 1792 | '''Celestia:''' The birth of an Alicorn is something Equestria has never seen!\ |
| 1793 | '''Luna:''' It is beyond even our understanding. |
| 1794 | |
| 1795 | The interesting thing is Luna's comment: an Alicorn birth is not only something that has never been recorded before, but apparently something that the Princesses themselves did not believe was possible. Going by this, it seems likely that Flurry is the first (or at least the first that anybody ever heard of) Alicorn to be born as one, instead of ascending to Alicornhood later in life like all other Alicorns (including Celestia and Luna) did. |
| 1796 | |
| 1797 | [[WMG:Flurry Heart is the Princess of Storge, or Familial Love.]] |
| 1798 | Two of Equestria's princesses represent two of TheFourLoves. Cadence is the Princess of Love (Eros), and Twilight is the Princess of Friendship (Philia). That leaves two loves open. Flurry Heart's parents and relatives loved her so much before she was even born--and had such powerful magic--that she ascended before birth due to the power of familial love. When she gets older, she'll have the power to help families realize their love for one another and sort out their differences. |
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| 1800 | |
| 1801 | [[folder:Other Equestrian Royalty]] |
| 1802 | [[WMG:Queens are evil.]] |
| 1803 | Girls thinking this is so is the official Hasbro reason why Celestia isn't a queen. Maybe that's canon in-universe as well: a past queen was so wicked that all future female rulers avoid the title. |
| 1804 | * Only one Queen has been seen in the series thus far, and she's Disney-level evil. |
| 1805 | |
| 1806 | [[WMG:Queen is a reserved title, held vacant for a reason.]] |
| 1807 | Like with Kim Il Sung in North Korea, a now-dead Queen holds the title officially, and no other Alicorn is allowed to be the true Queen. |
| 1808 | |
| 1809 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna have a living parent.]] |
| 1810 | Living in the sense that an immortal magical being is truly alive. The King or Queen (or both) are still around in some form, but no longer physically present in Equestria. So, their daughters can't be queen. |
| 1811 | |
| 1812 | To that end: the God-Empress of Ponykind is entombed within the Golden Stall. Her power preserves Equestria. To suggest otherwise is unfriendly, and also heresy. |
| 1813 | |
| 1814 | [[WMG:There is no queen because Equestria is undergoing a massive SuccessionCrisis]] |
| 1815 | There are in fact many Alicorns, and when the Celestia and Luna's parents died it kicked off a war that is still going on after thousands of years. |
| 1816 | * Or the situation with Nightmare Moon was over succession and over the following millennium Celestia started to regret banishing her little sister and told people to call her "Princess" instead of "Queen". |
| 1817 | |
| 1818 | [[WMG:Celestia ''is'' the Queen.]] |
| 1819 | Note that she is addressed interchangeably as "Your Highness", the vocative form of princess, and "Your Majesty", the vocative form of queen. Note also that there are constant references to the "royal" palace, the "royal" gardens, etc., not the "princely" palace or "princely" gardens. Clearly, like most monarchs, Celestia holds multiple titles. For comparison, consider that Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain also holds among her many titles "Princess of Wales", although, as per ancient tradition, she permits her son and heir Charles to use the title Prince of Wales; she is also Empress of India, incidentally, but she customarily is referred to as the Queen. Celestia is both Queen and Princess, but customarily uses "Princess" so as not to appear too distant or removed from her subjects, an issue which obviously troubles her enough as it is. Luna, as the foalless Celestia's legal heir, is permitted to use the title of princess in much the same way as Charles is allowed to use the title of Prince of Wales. |
| 1820 | * Supported in "Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000" when Flim refers to the "entire kingdom of Canterlot." That suggests that Canterlot is a kingdom, of which Celestia is the queen, while she holds the title of princess over some other holdings. She probably also is the empress of Equestria. Most likely, however, she is called princess most of the time because the bulk of her dominions are principalities. So her full list of titles is probably something like Empress of Equestria, Queen of Canterlot, Princess of Cloudsdale, Princess of Manehattan, Princess of Fillydelphia, Princess of Trottingham, Princess of Hoofington, Princess of Ponyville, etc., etc.... |
| 1821 | ** The reason she goes by "princess" most of the time is so that she can seem more friendly and approachable to her subjects |
| 1822 | |
| 1823 | [[WMG:Prince Léon, Celestia's nephew from that french comic, is much like [[VideoGame/{{Okamiden}} Chibiterasu]].]] |
| 1824 | That is, there was a huge shifting of the balance between good and evil (perhaps the confrontations between Nightmare Moon or Discord). Apparently, him coming into existence was one of the results. |
| 1825 | |
| 1826 | [[WMG:The Princess mentioned in Hearts and Hooves day was another alicorn.]] |
| 1827 | The status of alicorns in the MLP universe is unclear, it's never stated that Luna and Celestia are the only ones. If Princess Cadance gets introduced in a future episode, it will confirm that there may be more than two. |
| 1828 | * Confirmed that Cadance will make an appearance in the show, proving that Celestia and Luna are not the only alicorns in the MLP universe. Perhaps the episode will explain the alicorn situation? |
| 1829 | |
| 1830 | [[WMG:There are actually several alicorns, each controlling a different force of nature.]] |
| 1831 | Just as Celestia and Luna control the sun and the moon, there are other alicorns controlling different forces of nature. One controls the tides, another controls volcanoes, another controls the moving of continents and the formation of mountains, another controls forest growth, etc. The reason that we've only seen Luna and Celestia so far is because, unlike the other alicorns, they can control their force from anywhere in Equestria. A sea-controlling alicorn must stay by the sea, preventing her from moving far. |
| 1832 | * My guess there used to be total of six alicorns. Celestia controlled sun, Luna controlled the moon, there was one that controlled animals, another controlled the seas, and another the weather. The final allicorn was a prince named Albern who represent courage in battle who was vital in the defeat of Discord and was likely a lover of Luna. |
| 1833 | |
| 1834 | [[WMG:None of the Alicorns are related by blood]] |
| 1835 | As they are so rare, any time an Alicorn is born, it is taken by the royal family and raised in the palace. Why? Because like how a baby unicorn has little control over it's telekinetic magic, an Alicorn has little control over it's '''EARTH-SHATTERING''' magic. It needs to be raised away from the rest of ponykind, first off to control it, secondly to avoid forming emotional bonds with it's still-mortal parents and siblings, and finally, to figure groom it as a possible heir to the throne. Celestia and Luna are considered "sisters" because Luna was found when Celestia was still a foal. When the two of them matured, all subsequent alicorns viewed the pair as adoptive aunts. |
| 1836 | * Alicorns are allowed to marry, but there is a good chance that they are sterile. Prince Bloodblood comes from Celestia's biological family (they were all unicorns) |
| 1837 | * Cadance hasn't shown any earth-shattering magic yet. She was able to restore and even boost another unicorn's power, an ability no other pony has displayed, but he was pretty diesel to begin with. It looks like only Celestia and Luna have high power levels. |
| 1838 | |
| 1839 | [[WMG:Prince Blueblood gets his title from the old Unicornian royalty, not his relation to Celestia]] |
| 1840 | One branch of the family produced the princesses, who are...ahem...[[IncrediblyLamePun horses of a different color]]. Another produced Blueblood (and possibly Cadance, who got a lucky roll of the heredity dice and has been a cerapter from birth). |
| 1841 | * Which brings us to... |
| 1842 | |
| 1843 | [[WMG:Blueblood is Princess Cadence's brother or cousin]] |
| 1844 | And he acts as suck-up as he does to compensate for his lack of wings, as being a Unicorn Pegasus is the defining trait of royalty -- lacking half of that defining trait, he compensates (probably subconsciously and due to the inevitable low self-esteem) by acting as snobby and "royal" as possible. |
| 1845 | * That actually makes a lot of sense. |
| 1846 | |
| 1847 | [[WMG:Prince Blueblood could have been ruler of the Crystal Empire.]] |
| 1848 | In the book "Twilight Sparkle and the Crystal Heart Spell" Cadence reveals that she [[spoiler:was born a pegasus pony but was granted Alicorn status- much like Twilight]] after she defeated enchantress Prismia with the "Power of Love". It was then that [[spoiler:Princess Celestia brought to Canterlot to raise her as her royal niece]] presumably setting her up/ training her to become leader of the Crystal Empire (as it needs the power of love to function). |
| 1849 | |
| 1850 | Prince Blueblood may also have been set up as a candidate to rule the Crystal Empire (when it returned) before Cadence came along. He shows the same great capacity to love that she does (Again, necessary for the Crystal Empire to function) unfortunately all of his love goes towards himself. Celestia saw this love and took him in hoping to pull off what she did with Twilight (in getting her to understand friendship) and get Prince Blueblood to learn to direct his love toward others. Unfortunately this failed, and with the status of becoming a prince he actually became more narcissistic and self-absorbed, turning into the colt we saw in "The Best Night Ever". Had he learned to love others, he could have been the ruler of the Crystal Empire. |
| 1851 | |
| 1852 | [[WMG:Most {{winged unicorn}}s aren't any more powerful than other unicorns, pegasi, or earth ponies.]] |
| 1853 | Though having access to all three types of powers probably results in beneficial synergy. Cadence did not display power above the average unicorn or pegasus, though her special spell is extremely potent in the correct circumstances. |
| 1854 | |
| 1855 | [[WMG:Winged Unicorns will always become royalty, or otherwise important.]] |
| 1856 | In a fashion similar to diamond trolls from Literature/{{Discworld}}, they are too important on a symbolic level to fade into the background, regardless of how powerful they are. |
| 1857 | |
| 1858 | [[WMG:Equestria has a lot of Vestigial Royalty]] |
| 1859 | Celestia lets incorporated nations and peoples retain their titles, resulting in loads of impressive sounding but ultimately meaningless titles. |
| 1860 | |
| 1861 | [[WMG:Alicorns are chosen, rather than born]] |
| 1862 | Sufficiently badass ponies are chosen by some sort of deity or magical force to become alicorns. Celestia and Luna ascended after defeating Discord. Cadence, on the other hand, may be ex-military. I just pulled that last one out of nowhere. |
| 1863 | * Somewhat confirmed, [[spoiler:Twilight is going to become an Alicorn.]] |
| 1864 | ** In the book "Twilight and the Crystal Heart Spell" it is revealed that [[spoiler:Cadence underwent the same process as Twilight when she became an alicorn (but because she defeated an enchantress with compassion- not a spell).]] |
| 1865 | |
| 1866 | [[WMG:Cadence, Blueblood and any other 'nieces and/or nephews' are only related via adoption]] |
| 1867 | When Celestia and Luna were rising into power during their fight against Discord, various leaders with titles aligned themselves with the two alicorns. Once Discord was defeated and modern Equestria was founded, Celestia and Luna adopted the ponies that helped them into their family. |
| 1868 | * Alternatively, ''they'' were the ones adopted into the families of pre-existing royal houses, possibly to better secure their claims as rulers, similar to how Roman Emperors would adopt their successors. |
| 1869 | |
| 1870 | [[WMG:Celestia/Luna are not examples of the full alicorn power. Its still possible to go Six Winged Pony form]] |
| 1871 | Which makes the fact that there are 6 in the mane cast a little suspicious. |
| 1872 | |
| 1873 | [[WMG:Becoming a "Royal" Alicorn is different for each type of Pony.]] |
| 1874 | Earth Ponies must perform a Great Task. Unicorns must reach Magical Mastery. Pegasus must fly to a metaphorical Higher Plane. |
| 1875 | |
| 1876 | [[WMG:Celestia, Luna (and perhaps Cadence) have paid a price for Immortality via Infertility.]] |
| 1877 | |
| 1878 | Celestia is supposedly over 1000 years old. Possibly the oldest Pony in Equestria. Yet not once in that time did she breed and give birth (that anyone knows of anyway). |
| 1879 | |
| 1880 | She seems beautiful (by Pony Standards), powerful, beloved and should have no shortage of potential partners that would be honored to be chosen as her mate. |
| 1881 | |
| 1882 | The lack of direct bloodline heirs is telling. |
| 1883 | |
| 1884 | * Princess Cadance just got married so we'll see. As for Celestia and Luna maybe they just haven't wanted to have children. Not everybody wants to be a parent. |
| 1885 | ** Officially Jossed; Cadance is officially a mother. |
| 1886 | |
| 1887 | [[WMG:Prince Blueblood is a Changeling.]] |
| 1888 | Queen Chrysalis' trading card has a warning that states that anyone who rejects Applejack's treats is likely a changeling. Blueblood ''spat them out'' rather than swallow them. His other behavior also fits in rather well with what we've seen of a disguised changeling. So, at some point prior to the Grand Galloping Gala a changeling swapped places with Blueblood in order to infiltrate Canterlot high society. Since the changeling was never made on the basis of their actions, the changeling likely choose Blueblood to swap with because they could copy Blueblood's personality. That, or the changeling made the switch a [[ParanoiaFuel long, long, time ago]]. |
| 1889 | |
| 1890 | [[WMG:The alicorns are linked to the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_planet classical planets]].]] |
| 1891 | There are six royal bloodlines, one representing the sun and the moon and five representing the ponyverse equivalents of the planets Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn. Celestia and Luna represent the house of the Sun and Moon, of course, while Princess Cadence is linked to Venus. Cadence probably has siblings/cousins who represent the other planets and have powers similar to her ability to spread and foster love: the scion of Mars would be in charge of Equestria's military and have the power to inspire courage, the scion of Mercury would be in charge of trade and diplomacy and have powers linked to travel and communication, and so on. |
| 1892 | * While they aren't alicorns, Shining Armor and Blueblood are both part of the royal family (albeit through marriage and very distantly), and could possibly represent Mars and Mercury, respectively. (Since SA is the Captain of the Royal Guard, and Blueblood has a compass rose as a cutie mark.) This could also extend to Twilight, since she's related to Shining Armor. |
| 1893 | * Moreover, Princess Cadance's real name is "Mi Amore Cadenza", which is pseudo-Italian. You know what else is pseudo-Italian? Roman! Venus was a Roman goddess, with love powers, like Princess Cadence. Princess Cadence, then, is princess of the actual planet Venus, but gets love powers because she's almost Roman. It just makes sense! |
| 1894 | * Also, the alicorns' color schemes seem to match the planet/time of day over which they have dominion: Celestia's body is white and her hair is... partially the color of a blue sky; Luna's body is dark blue (and may perhaps darken further) and her hair is starry; and Cadance's body is pink and her hair is reminiscent of a sunrise or sunset -- Venus being the brightest at those times, and also known as the Morning or Evening Star. |
| 1895 | |
| 1896 | [[WMG:Another pair of cerapter sisters ruled Equestria in the past.]] |
| 1897 | Or at least other cerapters ruled prior to Celestia. In the second episode, Twilight was unaware that Luna had been Celestia's sister, which implies that another pair of cerapters that could control the night and day had ruled in the past. |
| 1898 | |
| 1899 | [[WMG:The reason that Celestia is a princess and not a queen.]] |
| 1900 | Ok yes I know that it is because Hasbro demanded it but I think I have a good in universe reason for it. It is clear from the Hearts warming eve episode that at least kings did exist at one time so it is not much of a jump to assume queens did to. Jump ahead to after Celestia and Luna defeat Discord and in thanks pony society wants to make the sisters their rulers. At first they give the older sister the title of queen and the younger the title of princess. However Celestia feels that defeating Discord was a team effort and that she and her sister should be co-rulers, however she knows that pony society would not accept two queens so instead she takes the title of princess like her sister and they start ruling together. Jump a head to after Luna became Nightmare Moon and was banished. The reason Celestia did not become queen after becoming the sole monarch was 1- to honor her sister and 2- because she hoped one day her sister (Luna not Moon) would come back and they could rule together again. |
| 1901 | * Having two ruling princesses has the same problem with titles. A princess rules over a principality while a queen rules over a kingdom. The simplest explanation is that both have take the title from some principality that they have sole domain over, and the position of ruler of all Equestria doesn't have its own title. As diarches, they could use whatever title they want. |
| 1902 | * Actually, I've thought of an explanation. When Equestria was founded, conversation probably turned rapidly to who would rule. Since the alliance between the Unicorns, Pegasi and Earth Ponies was likely to still be fragile, I doubt very much that Princess Platinum became absolute monarch, like Celestia is now. They probably set up a triumvirate so they could ALL lead. Essentially, it was Status Quo as far as day-to-day ruling was concerned ( Platinum ruled the unicorns, Puddinghead the Earth Ponies and Hurricane the Pegasi) but eventually, since each variety of pony can interbreed, there came a pony who was genetically a mix of all three ponies, who one day transformed into an Alicorn.(Princesses Celestia and Luna?) they inherited the throne of the Unicorns, whatever happens for the Pegasi, then were elected to lead the Earth Ponies. They combined the positions, but out of respect for the first Unicorn ruler, they kept the title of Princess. Therefore, Yes, technically Equestria is a principality. |
| 1903 | [[WMG:If we ever see Celestia's and Luna's mother...]] |
| 1904 | ...She'll be (or look extremely similar to) Lauren Faust's alicorn OC. Because that would be just about the most heartwarming thing ever. |
| 1905 | |
| 1906 | [[WMG:Combining the above two [=WMGs=], Celestia and Luna aren't queens because...]] |
| 1907 | ...Their mother (aka The Fausticorn) is still the Queen of Equestria. Celestia and Luna are just keeping things in order while she's gone. Speaking of which, where in Tartarus is she?! |
| 1908 | * While we're on WMG territory anyway, the question might just hold the answer. Maybe she ''is'' in fact for some reason stuck in Tartarus alongside whatever monsters it holds? |
| 1909 | * The almighty Fausticorn is guarding the Fourth Wall and preventing it from being broken; for if it was, every twisted horror of the fandom and beyond would break free, and Equestria would be forever lost... |
| 1910 | Well, either that, or the ponies would escape into the real world. Or maybe both. |
| 1911 | |
| 1912 | [[WMG:Prince Blueblood is the way he is because...]] |
| 1913 | He can't use magic. Think about it, did you ever see him use any? He picked up that rose with his mouth, refuses to open the door, and eats with his hoof (the other incidents can be chalked up to even Rarity didn't think of using magic). |
| 1914 | Despite being born a unicorn, Blueblood has been incapable of using even the simplest of spells. Therefore half of his attitude stems from his frustration and embarrassment at his weakness. |
| 1915 | The other half would be just him being the spoiled jerk we know he is. Despite not having magic, he was lucky enough to be born royal, having everything done for him and not having to lift a hoof, so magic isn't a necessity for him. |
| 1916 | Perhaps if he was born with magic maybe he would be a more respectable pony. |
| 1917 | |
| 1918 | [[WMG:Celestia, Luna, et al. refuse the title of Queen out of respect]] |
| 1919 | Either they're honouring the Queen's memory by not taking the title for themselves, or there's a [[KingInTheMountain Queen in the Mountain]] hiding somewhere. |
| 1920 | |
| 1921 | [[WMG:The Equestrian royalty represents love.]] |
| 1922 | Celestia and Luna represent love between family, Cadance and Shining Armor represent romantic love, and Twilight and her friends might in the future represent love between friends. |
| 1923 | * So, Prince Blueblood and Princess Platinum represent love of self? |
| 1924 | ** That isn't an absolute bad thing. You must love yourself as you love others if you are to live a healthy life. |
| 1925 | *** Regarding excesses, Pinkie Pie does seem to embody friendship taken too far all too often. |
| 1926 | |
| 1927 | [[WMG:The Equestrian Alicorns are protectors of the universe]] |
| 1928 | Each alicorn could be the protector and maintainer of a trait that serves the universe as a whole. |
| 1929 | Celestia protects and let the sun rise each day, while Luna does this with the moon. Cadence is the protector |
| 1930 | of love. If the Twilight-rumors are true and she will become an alicorn, then she would be the maintainer of magic. |
| 1931 | |
| 1932 | An alicorn comes into existence when a pony (or maybe a non-equine being) has done a lot to protect the universe and |
| 1933 | starts to perfected within its subject-matter, they will become alicorns. They could also be alicorns after birth (due to |
| 1934 | having an alicorn parent, with the rumors of princess Skyla), who need to find out their destiny on their own, or even |
| 1935 | give up their wings or horn when they find out they will not. |
| 1936 | |
| 1937 | * and if Starswirl the Bearded was an alicorn, then he was the protector of time itself. |
| 1938 | * there may have been/be other alicorns who protect(ed) other aspects, such as water, nature, earth, happiness and friendship. |
| 1939 | * Those four stars that released Nightmare moon, they may have been the Alicorns that maintain the stars. |
| 1940 | * The synopsis for the upcoming book ''Under the Sparkling Sea'' mentions a "Cosmic Council", of which at least Celestia is a member; make of that what you will. |
| 1941 | |
| 1942 | [[WMG:Diamond Tiara will at some point attempt to Buy a royal title]] |
| 1943 | Just to show the audience that being a princess is actually a HUGE responsibility, You can't just go down to the costume store, pick up a 2-bit tiara and claim to be royalty. |
| 1944 | |
| 1945 | [[WMG:Alicorns, while still rare, are much greater in number than just the few we've seen.]] |
| 1946 | In the episode ''The Mysterious Mare Do Well'', Rainbow Dash is surprised but not suspicious to find that Mare Do Well had a horn as well as wings. This would indicate that alicorns are not as rare as initially believed. They're still rare, of course, but could number a hundred or more. Most probably aren't as powerful as Celestia and Luna but still probably have important duties and royal status. |
| 1947 | |
| 1948 | [[WMG:''True'' royal status is earned, not given by birth.]] |
| 1949 | While Blueblood may be established as a prince, he has no real political power or authority. He has the "prince" title because he was born into it, but the real marker of royalty is alicorn status. If Celestia wants to promote a pony to ''true'' royal status, where they have power and authority, she turns them into an alicorn. |
| 1950 | * A corollary is that alicorn-ness originated with Celestia and Luna, likely as either a result of their use of the Elements of Harmony against Discord or, more probably, a spell that Celestia invented. |
| 1951 | * Pretty much confirmed by "Magical Mystery Cure" |
| 1952 | ** Not really. Twilight was the first to become a Winged Unicorn using that spell, and her coronation was strongly implied to be non-standard. How Equestrian titles work is at least as muddled as ever. |
| 1953 | |
| 1954 | [[WMG:The Elements of Harmony play a role in determining the line of succession.]] |
| 1955 | * Think about it; Celestia and Luna were both element bearers, and with "Magical Mystery Cure" Twilight becomes a princess through some magic that quite obviously has to do with the elements. And it makes sense; the elements insure that anypony who becomes royalty exhibits positive traits that would help make them a good ruler. |
| 1956 | ** Doesn't quite explain where Cadence comes from, though. By the time she was babysitting Twilight and already had both horn and wings the Elements of Harmony were presumably still busy sitting idle and forgotten in some old castle ruins. Now, she ''might'' be ReallySevenHundredYearsOld as some other guesses on this page claim, but we don't really ''know'' that -- and if she is in fact as young as she looks, the Elements just may have had nothing to do with her alicorn status at all. |
| 1957 | *** Cadance isn't a ruler of Equestria, though, she rules the Crystal Empire. The Crystal Empire's equivalent to the Elements of Harmony is the Crystal Heart... which appears in Cadance's cutie mark. Maybe each nation has it's own artifact. |
| 1958 | ** I think Princess Luna and her little episode being Nightmare Moon would like to contest this claim. |
| 1959 | |
| 1960 | [[WMG:Relating to the above: becoming an Alicorn does not necessarily involve mastery of magic itself, but mastery of one aspect of the Elements of Harmony.]] |
| 1961 | In addition to a Great and Important Deed or whatever, which is why Twilight's friends are not alicorns despite being able to represent the elements. Even though the elements were hidden for a while, the concepts they represent could still be relevant. And alicorns could be said to represent the harmony of Earth, Unicorn and Pegasus ponies. |
| 1962 | * Twilight -- got hers through mastery of the Element of Magic when she created a new spell that combined the Elements. |
| 1963 | * Cadance -- ascended when she saved a town from a villain with a magic necklace. Based on her personality, her trigger was probably a great act of Kindness. (Plus she was a pegasus like Fluttershy.) |
| 1964 | And if we go with the theory that Celestia and Luna had to earn alicorn-hood as well: |
| 1965 | * Celestia -- An act of Generosity; besides the fact that it was one of the elements she used against Discord, her crown and necklace both have purple gemstones on them. (Okay, it's kind of a stretch, but that always stood out to me and it does fit her.) |
| 1966 | * Luna -- Wielded the elements of Loyalty, Honesty, and Laughter, not sure which one would fit her best. Leaning towards Honesty. Loyalty would be tragically ironic since she ended up fighting her sister. |
| 1967 | |
| 1968 | [[WMG:Princess Celestia has a hand in creating the show.]] |
| 1969 | * In the Episode Magical Mystery Cure Celestia reveals to Twilight that she has been watching her adventures in Ponyville by displaying clips from past episodes of ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' in front of Twilight. Celestia could have [[BigBrotherIsWatching magical cameras recording all the important events in Ponyville]] which would also explain why everyone is always [[FourthWallObserver mugging for them]]. |
| 1970 | |
| 1971 | [[WMG:The Princess are based (and possibly chosen) around the FourLoves]] |
| 1972 | * Celestia is Agape (Unconditional Love)-Her willingness to put herself in peril for the sake of her subjects (as seen in A Canterlot Wedding), seems to be indicative of this. |
| 1973 | * Luna is Storge (Family)- She must have been close with Celestia to be able to wield the Element of Harmony with her. |
| 1974 | ** As of Seasons 3 and 4, Luna has used her dream-walker powers to help two of the CMC deal with family-style issues; so, a point in this theory's favor. |
| 1975 | * Cadence is Eros (Romance)-Pretty self-explanatory . |
| 1976 | * [[spoiler:Twilight is Phileo (Friendship)]]- Also self-explanatory. |
| 1977 | |
| 1978 | [[WMG:The King and Queen of Equestria will Appear in Season 4...]] |
| 1979 | * And when they see that a non-royal ([[spoiler:Twilight]]) is now an alicorn princess, [[BerserkButton you'd better watch out, Celestia]]. |
| 1980 | ** Jossed. Maybe a later season. |
| 1981 | |
| 1982 | [[WMG:Celestia and Luna's family are a AlternateUniverse take on Myth/ClassicalMythology.]] |
| 1983 | In Ancient Greek legend, Cronus overthrew his father Ouranos. In ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', it was ''Hyperion'' who overthrew his father. Celestia is the goddess of the sun or dawn, and Luna is the goddess of the moon. In Myth/GreekMythology, the sun, dawn and moon gods are ''all'' children of this little-known Titan. Celestia is the ponified equivalent of Eos, Goddess of the Dawn and Luna is the ponified equivalent of Selene, Goddess of the Moon. Princess Cadance is one of the Heliades, and daughter to the ponified equivalent of Helios, God of the Sun. Discord is the son of Eris, who's the embodiment of strife and ''discord''(not a genderbent Eris, since we'd be even more screwed if that was the case). Instead, he's the male equivalent to Dysnomia, Goddess of Lawlessness. |
| 1984 | |
| 1985 | [[WMG:The alicorn princesses are [[PhysicalGod deities]] instead of (or in addition to) royalty.]] |
| 1986 | Obviously related to the above entry, and probably pretty much accepted as canon by most of the fandom, but not really expressed in these terms anywhere else on the page, so I'm putting it here. |
| 1987 | * They're immortal. |
| 1988 | * Celestia's job of raising/lowering the sun, Luna's job of doing the same with the moon and entering ponies' dreams when needed, and Cadance's job of magically protecting the entire Crystal Empire all fall in line with roles gods tend to play. |
| 1989 | * Princesshood doesn't seem to be bestowed by birthright or marriage, as Twilight was able to "ascend" to it (ascension to godhood is not unprecedented in mythology) and Shining Armor did not become a prince by marrying Cadance. |
| 1990 | * Alicorn magic is more powerful than any other magic -- the implication in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E26TwilightsKingdomPart2 Twilight's Kingdom]]" is that the combined magic of four alicorn princesses is roughly equal to the combined magic (and agility and strength) of every unicorn, pegasus, and earth pony in all of Equestria (plus Discord to boot). |
| 1991 | * Although the princesses are in positions of authority, their roles don't seem to be defined in the same way as those of royalty. For example, instead of becoming, say, the princess of Ponyville, Twilight became the "princess of friendship", a title that sounds ludicrous until you consider it to be roughly equivalent to "goddess of friendship", and Mayor Mare still appears to be the primary governmental authority figure for Ponyville even after Twilight's ascension. |
| 1992 | ** However, the Twilight Sparkle and Mayor Mare dynamic in Ponyville could be similar to countries that have a monarch and a Prime Minister. |
| 1993 | * Luna's transformation into Nightmare Moon and subsequent 1000-year banishment to the moon is reminiscent of stories from mythology of the gods struggling with each other for power. |
| 1994 | ** Not to mention the conflicts that the princesses have had against the likes of Tirek, Discord, and King Sombra in Equestria's backstory. |
| 1995 | * The ponies certainly seem to hold this opinion--the constant [[OhMyGods exclamations of "What in Celestia's name?", "Sweet Celestia!", "As Celestia is my witness..." etc.]] don't make much sense otherwise. |
| 1996 | |
| 1997 | [[WMG:Prince Blueblood isn't usually a jerk.]] |
| 1998 | He ''acts'' like one in public due a number of bad experiences with ponies that only wanted the privileges of being a friend or lover of royalty. And would have acted better with Rarity, had she only made his name to Twilight (thus getting Twilight to forewarn him). |
| 1999 | |
| 2000 | [[WMG:Prince Blueblood's special talent is to ''move the sun without being crippled'']] |
| 2001 | Admit it, if you could do something only a PhysicalGoddess can without getting crippled (what ultimately happened to ''teams'' of unicorns before Celestia took over, according to ''Literature/TheJournalOfTheTwoSisters'') you too would start having a big head... |
| 2002 | |
| 2003 | [[WMG:Prince Blueblood is actually [[RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething really important in maintaining Equestria]]]] |
| 2004 | While he's [[GoodIsNotNice certainly not nice]], he actually does work hard to take care of Equestria's borders, and would [[WarriorPrince fight a threat for Equestria to the death if he had to.]] |
| 2005 | * I dunno, if he does something important, it would probably serve in a logistics role. |
| 2006 | * If the comics are anything to go by, he's a silver-tongued negotiator and ambassador, though one that gets along much better with foreigners than his own people. He'd probably be more instrumental in preventing a war than fighting one. |
| 2007 | |
| 2008 | [[WMG:Prince Blueblood will have a redemption episode.]] |
| 2009 | He's a jerk, no doubt about that. But if Trixie, Gilda, Diamond Tiara, and fricken Discord can get character development and become better ponies/griffons/draconequui, I don't see why this guy shouldn't. Unless they give him the Garble treatment and make him the villain of an episode, of course. |
| 2010 | [[/folder]] |
| 2011 | |
| 2012 | [[folder:Non-Equestrian Royalty]] |
| 2013 | [[WMG:We will meet Queen Chrysalis' daughter, Princess Pupa]] |
| 2014 | In order to try and establish a sense of Peaceful Coexistence (doubtfully the word used) between Equestria and the Changeling Kingdom, Chrysalis' daughter, the young Princess Pupa is sent over as an exchange student/take a tour of Equestria. The gang expect the daughter to be a fierce, black-hearted warrior-like princess, but when she arrives (accompanies by armed guard) she is revealed to be a tiny, bespectacled and all around adorably sweet Changeling (add in asthma and the frequent use of inhaler) who could rival Sweetie Belle in terms of giving a viewer diabetes by her sheer cuteness. |
| 2015 | |
| 2016 | Of course, we have the usual shenanigans with cultural clashes (bonus points if the Changelings' culture is given an explanation, something from the Far East like Japan and Korea would be really interesting), with a written message/threat by Chrysalis to the Mane Six that if a single hair on Pupa's pig tailed mane is hurt, she'll personally bite their heads off one by one. However, some of the Mane Six decide they want to see if they can pump any secret information about Changeling government and military secrets out of the filly (behind Celestia's back) by sending in the CMC to befriend her. They eventually get nothing and are surprised (despite Pupa's young age and already innocent appearance and demeanor) that she knows little to nothing of her mother's dealings and plans -- she doesn't even know about the Canterlot Invasion, which can lead to a classic Fawlty Towers, "Don't mention the war/invasion!" set of jokes. |
| 2017 | |
| 2018 | A good twist in the plot is that the CMC and Pupa go missing, and remembering Chrysalis' warning, begin a desperate search for them. Or a good emotional scene where Pupa finds out and believes the CMC used her, only for them to make up again in the end. |
| 2019 | And she'll be voiced by Tara Strong in her Omi or Boh voice. |
| 2020 | |
| 2021 | [[WMG:King Leo from the books is Celestia's cousin via marriage/political union.]] |
| 2022 | He's a sea lion, as in a lion-headed aquatic creature. How does that translate from surface-native pony? |
| 2023 | |
| 2024 | [[WMG:Shining Armor will be KIA]] |
| 2025 | |
| 2026 | [[/folder]] |
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