| 1 | !!New items at the bottom. After a suitable period, they will be moved into the appropriate sub-folder. WMG for ''Series/ICarly2021'' goes [[WMG/ICarly2021 here]]. |
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| 5 | [[folder:Carly]] |
| 6 | [[WMG: Carly's new room will become the new set for the webshow scenes.]] |
| 7 | Or at least will play a focal part in future episodes. Why go to all the trouble of putting the "room" together and so awesomely, if they weren't going to use it for anything else? |
| 8 | * Pretty much {{Jossed}}. It's been in a few scenes, but none involving the web-show. |
| 9 | |
| 10 | [[WMG: Carly is extremely kinky, if not outright sexually depraved.]] |
| 11 | She's shown sadistic/punishment tendencies with Sam (who, granted, [[TooKinkyToTorture doesn't mind]]) and humiliation aspects in her relationship with . However, it starts to get a little odd when she kisses the comatose Shane and some of the stuff she comes up with for iCarly is borderline insane. Yes, Sam helps but its shown that Sam doesn't work very hard or enjoy it as much as Carly. There's also some subtle but numerous hints that she's pretty controlling. |
| 12 | |
| 13 | [[WMG: Carly only likes Griffin due to projection.]] |
| 14 | Carly likes Griffin [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys because he's a bad boy]]. More specifically, he's the male version of Sam. [[TransparentCloset Could she be projecting her feelings for Sam onto the similar Griffin?]] Later, when she finds out that he collects beanie babies, that image is understandably destroyed, and she's left with a boy that she never ''really'' liked in the first place, leading to the breakup. |
| 15 | * That would explain [[SincerestFormOfFlattery why Sam was so amused by and cool with Carly being so attracted to him.]] |
| 16 | |
| 17 | [[WMG: The goat either nipped Carly on her butt or peed on her that one birthday.]] |
| 18 | Carly doesn't like to have that incident mentioned, so those things are what the goat may have did. |
| 19 | * I say the goat nibbled on her in a very improper part of her body. |
| 20 | |
| 21 | [[WMG: Carly is [[Series/DrakeAndJosh Megan]] in disguise.]] |
| 22 | After a "prank" goes too far, Megan accidentally kills Drake and Josh, leading to her fleeing San Diego for Seattle. She has Crazy Steve drive the getaway car. They create false identities for themselves in Seattle: Megan becomes Carly, and Crazy Steve becomes Spencer. Carly and Sam were friends when Carly was Megan because of their complementary personalities and because Sam supplied non-lethal weapons to Megan. This is why Megan went to Seattle -- she would have someone to vouch for her. The massive amounts of LesYay between Carly and Sam are due to Megan/Carly's HeelFaceTurn, which she only did to avoid raising suspicion. She didn't realize this would turn Sam on. In memoriam to Drake, Sam keeps his picture on her locker door. |
| 23 | * And then, Drake appeared as a ghost in iBloop. |
| 24 | ** And the guy with the blonde wig and sunglasses in iReunite With Missy is actually Josh in disguise, left for dead but not, secretly observing Megan, plotting his revenge. |
| 25 | * Somebody make a fanfic of this. NOW. |
| 26 | * Well, Spencer is pretty crazy at times..What about Freddie though? His actor appeared in ''Series/DrakeAndJosh'' once (the episode with Megan and the boy). |
| 27 | ** Wasn't his scene in ''Drake & Josh'' cut, though? |
| 28 | *** Yeah. It was cut, and not shown. You can see him in the background in a few wide shots, but that's it. |
| 29 | * The question this raises is who's the guy that they claim to be their grandpa? |
| 30 | |
| 31 | [[WMG: Megan gets amnesia, thinks she is a girl named "Carly", and runs away with a medicated Crazy Steve to Seattle.]] |
| 32 | Also the cool Toplin was a fake persona made by Freddie. He falls in love with Carly since she reminds him of Megan but nicer. |
| 33 | * And in iGet Pranky, Spencer doesn't want to help Carly prank someone not because of an experience he had fourteen years ago, but because he's afraid pranking will cause Carly to remember her life as Megan. |
| 34 | |
| 35 | [[WMG: The last time Carly had an asthma attack was at her mother's funeral]] |
| 36 | That's why Spencer still had her inhaler years later; her last attack was so severe she almost died. |
| 37 | |
| 38 | [[WMG: Carly is [[Anime/MacrossFrontier Ranka Lee]] after the events of Macross Frontier: The Wings of Goodbye.]] |
| 39 | After Alto and Sheryl reunited, Ranka tried to stay strong to forget about Alto, but failed to do so. So, she decided to leave all behind and opted to time travel to the past, but during the course of the time travel, her appearance changed and aged down to the age when She and Sam met. When she arrived in that year, she had nowhere to go and that's where Spencer adopted her and changed her name to Carly Shay (removing all traces of her connection to the Lee's or the Mei's), like how Ozma adopted her after the Vajra attack (This was during the time Steven Shay was still around before the events of the show). Then she met Freddie, which reminded her so much of Alto. But during the course of ''iOMG'', Carly caught him kissing with Sam, and it reminded her of her relationship with Alto that didn't happen, and broke down and sobbed. Throughout the time of the 5-episode Seddie arc, She had to stay strong for both of them, but fails to do so when she's alone. This will lead to Freddie figuring out why Carly has been like that since that incident. |
| 40 | * Now Jossed. |
| 41 | |
| 42 | [[WMG: Carly’s aggressive claustrophobia stems from her memory of Mrs. Shay's funeral]] |
| 43 | Like the above WMG, suggesting her last asthma attack took place then, this theory takes it a bit further. Poor 7-year-old Carly not only suffered a stress-related attack, but also developed and intense fear of enclosed spaces at the sight of her [[TearJerker mother in a coffin,]] [[NightmareFuel being lowered into the ground, and buried.]] |
| 44 | * Personally I thought it stemmed from the 'space madness' she developed in iSpace Out whilst trapped in a very small room, that randomly hit her, had loud noises, smoke and two of the most annoying people on the planet (no offense but putting them in a small room together was bound to cause more arguments than normal, being stuck in that must have been hell). |
| 45 | ** [[Tropers/ArchdukeCthulhu This troper]] figured she faked her claustrophobia in "iSam's Mom" to get them out of the enclosed room (wouldn't you think of that in a situation like that?) |
| 46 | *** I've recently watched ''iSam's Mom'' again and I'm 99.9% sure that Carly's faking the claustrophobic breakdown. She didn't start panicking until everything else failed and comparing it to her first breakdown in ''iSpace Out'', Miranda's acting in that scene was hilariously bad. (whether intentional or not) All she did was moan like a wildebeest and flail around while the first time she was yelling, screaming, begging to be let out and banging on everything. |
| 47 | [[WMG: Carly is a alternate universe version of [[WesternAnimation/AvatartheLastAirbender Azula]].]] |
| 48 | * How else do you think Spencer keeps setting everything on fire? Since Azula is such a firebending prodigy, I don't think it'd be too difficult for her to figure out how to start fires in a different room without having to shoot it from her fingertips. |
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| 51 | |
| 52 | [[folder:Freddie]] |
| 53 | [[WMG: Freddie is a hemophiliac.]] |
| 54 | In the most recent episode, simply pricking his finger resulted in an unusual amount of unstoppable bleeding. What's more, his computer said that he was "prone to excessive bleeding" after testing his blood. This could also explain his mother's protectiveness of him, in particular her little issue with ticks. |
| 55 | * That still doesn't explain his HighPressureBlood. |
| 56 | ** High blood pressure? |
| 57 | *** Shortly after he took the test he ended up spurting blood all over the place. That's the high pressure blood. |
| 58 | *** Wouldn't that be contradictory with how he heals quickly like whenever Sam beats on him or the Britney Spears expy threw a fork in his shoulder? |
| 59 | *** Depends on where he got hit and how deep. The fork probably didn't need to go in that deep, and the shoulder is a beefy area compared to a deliberate prick of the finger to draw blood. |
| 60 | |
| 61 | [[WMG: Freddie and Nevel have the same father, and he changed his name.]] |
| 62 | They are both geniuses. They are both far more sheltered than most tweens. And it would explain how Mrs. Benson happens to be single. |
| 63 | |
| 64 | [[WMG: Freddie doesn't buy all of that high-end tech equipment.]] |
| 65 | He BUILDS it from second-hand parts that he either buys dirt-cheap or finds. The fact that all of his equipment is highly reliable even thought it's made from low-quality parts is a testament to Freddie's genius. |
| 66 | * The computers, maybe. The cameras and stuff I very much doubt it. |
| 67 | |
| 68 | [[WMG: Freddie buys his equipment from the same place that Megan from ''Series/DrakeAndJosh'' bought hers. AcmeProducts.]] |
| 69 | AcmeProducts in this case being some kind of dodgy black or grey market importing from China, Hong Kong, Japan or Taiwan. How else could a pre-teen and a 13 year old afford all that equipment? |
| 70 | |
| 71 | [[WMG: Freddie is a test tube baby.]] |
| 72 | * Given how obsessive Mrs. Benson is, it isn't much of a stretch that she would visit a sperm bank and obsessively study the profiles to find the perfect seed. |
| 73 | |
| 74 | [[WMG: The show will end with a WhosLaughingNow moment for Freddie]] |
| 75 | Finally tired of taking shit from Sam, he will either: |
| 76 | * 1: Give her a ReasonYouSuckSpeech. |
| 77 | * 2: Pull a prank on her live on the web show. |
| 78 | * 3: Beat her [[IronicEcho with a tennis racket]]. |
| 79 | ** Jossed, Freddie didn't take revenge on Sam in the end. |
| 80 | |
| 81 | [[/folder]] |
| 82 | |
| 83 | [[folder:Sam]] |
| 84 | |
| 85 | [[WMG: Sam is Jewish.]] |
| 86 | Sam has a cutout of some sort of Star of David necklace prominently displayed on the inside of her locker. Her mother dates a series of various professional men: psychologists, lawyers and, most recently, ''a rabbi.'' Sam is obsessed with ham and bacon to the point of fetishism. She often uses inflections commonly associated with New York Jews; she frequently saying "oy," and the other main characters do not. When she and Carly sneaked into a teacher's apartment to film her for their web show, they pretended to be throwing her a surprise birthday party. The teacher says it's not her birthday, so Sam suggests, "Happy... Hanukkah?" In the Christmas episode, Carly and Sam jokingly rename the reindeer, and Sam calls Blitzen "Blitzberg". When Carly questions her, she replies "What? A reindeer can't be Jewish?" A nurse asked her name to report her to the principal "for impersonating a sick person," and she made up "Rebecca Berkowitz." Think about it! |
| 87 | * Actually, in "iSpeed Date" Rebecca Berkowitz is mentioned as an real person at their school, not just someone Sam made up. |
| 88 | ** OlderThanYouThink. The actual Rebecca Berkowitz appeared in that extended version of ''iSaw Him First'', who even spouts the line "What did I do?" after the nurse threatens the escaping fake!Rebecca aka Sam. |
| 89 | * There needs to be a TokenJewishSidekick page. |
| 90 | * This has been {{Jossed}} as of the episode ''iSam's Mom''. |
| 91 | ** Or it's SuspiciouslySpecificDenial (given the range of things "unorthodox" can mean,from slightly unusual to Roman Catholic). |
| 92 | *** It also seems a bit weird how she mentions Judaism. It sounds like SuspiciouslySpecificDenial. |
| 93 | |
| 94 | [[WMG: Sam has loved Freddie since she first met him, but had to wait until he got over Carly before moving.]] |
| 95 | Sam's 'sudden interest' in Freddie really isn't, which is lampshaded by Freddie himself in ''iDream Of Dance''. The reason why Sam's only now approached Freddie romantically is because (a.) ''he's finally seemed to get over his longstanding feelings for Carly'' - or, at least put them in perspective (as we see in ''iStart A Fanwar'' and ''iSaved Your Life'', and (b.) as we see in ''iOMG'' (and to a lesser extent in ''iCook'') Freddie is now secure enough in his own masculinity to actually enjoy being around a girl who's physically his equal. (When it comes to romance, Carly actually is more immature/'girly' than Sam, as she's still caught up in her 'AllGirlsWantBadBoys phase'. Remember, Sam's spent ''years'' on the beauty-pageant circuit, was good enough to win after being out of the game for over seven years, and only wanted to be 'girlier' in terms of being seen as more '''demure/submissive''' (like Carly) to win a certain guy's attention.) Freddie is a DoggedNiceGuy that Carly would eventually get bored with, but is actually a perfect match for Sam (in the vein of UptightLovesWild) - and is also [[LetsGetDangerous more than capable of dealing with]] the drama of [[MyBelovedSmother Mrs. Benson]]. The FridgeBrilliance comes when you consider that Sam has ''always'' had an interest in him, but has simply been waiting for Freddie to mature, grow beyond the idea that only a 'girly-girl' like Carly could be the one for him, and open himself up to the idea of what was right beside him all along - ''that he could also have a relationship'' '' '''with a girl like her.''' '' |
| 96 | ** {{Jossed}}. Based on Sam's explanation about the bike courier and him bleeding from the ears, the reaction of Freddie to that and Sam's rapid and commented upon by Freddie and Carly change in behaviour in ''iOMG'' as well as the fact that the change only happened when Brad showed up, suggests it happened fast, and happened between the end of ''iPity The Nevel'' and ''iOMG'' around the time they hired Brad to come work on the show. |
| 97 | *** But what about Sam's reaction to Freddie and Carly dancing in iSpeed Date? That would imply feelings before the events of iOMG. |
| 98 | *** There were 5 episodes worth of opportunity to cement Sam's feelings for Freddie as pre-iSpeed Date or even pre-iKiss but that did not happen. Sam's behaviour because of the crush, and that change happened very near when Brad showed up hence the confusion. Sam doesn't remark at any stage that her feelings had been there before that, there is just no evidence that Sam had any feelings for Freddie before the accident. |
| 99 | |
| 100 | [[WMG: Sam's love for Freddie came very slowly]] |
| 101 | It most likely started in iKiss. If you pay attention Freddie's thought that they should kiss (which was really voiced by Sam) was very much lead on by Sam. She wanted to try kissing him because she felt sorry for what she did and when the idea formed it kept becoming more appealing to her. After the kiss she started developing feelings for him that is reflected in her gradual recline to abuse him, as well as a few instances they seem to help each other. She is probably offended by her own feelings (when she finally realized she had them) and tried to deny them as much as possible. It becomes futile, and she is driven by everyone's (misleading) prodding to go for it to express her feelings in the awkward way she did, knowing no other. |
| 102 | ** I agree with this. It also makes more sense overall. |
| 103 | ** {{Jossed}}. Based on Sam's explanation about the bike courier and him bleeding from the ears, the reaction of Freddie and Sam's rapid and commented upon by Freddie and Carly change in behaviour in ''iOMG'' as well as the fact that the change only happened when Brad showed up, suggests it happened fast, and happened between the end of ''iPity The Nevel'' and ''iOMG'' around the time they hired Brad to come work on the show. |
| 104 | *** But what about Sam's reaction to Freddie and Carly dancing in iSpeed Date? That would imply feelings before the events of iOMG. |
| 105 | *** Whatever they were, they had nothing to do with romance. Her behaviour changed in the timeline just before iOMG and that is confirmed canon. Sam could have said she liked him since iSpeed Date or before it, but that didn't happen. |
| 106 | |
| 107 | [[WMG: Sam's father was abusive before he abandoned them. Her mother is alcoholic or a drug addict as well as a prostitute.]] |
| 108 | Sam never mentions her father. This is because he was abusive towards Sam and her mother. He ended up in jail or was kicked out. Sam never has any money or food unless it comes from Freddie or Carly or Spencer. This is because what little money her mother makes gets spent on drugs or booze. Sam eats a lot because her mother is sometimes unable to buy food for days or weeks at a time, and she never knows when. |
| 109 | |
| 110 | Her mother's late nights are spent working on the streets, and the nights end with her mother collapsed on the floor from booze or drugs. Her pimp is probably someone Sam knows; their family has many relatives in jail or on parole. Her family is probably involved in drug running and prostitution rackets. Sam never wants to spend any time with her mother and never wants anyone to see where she lives. Getting to her place requires a bus trip, and it is in a low-rent/red light district. Sam has grown up tough because she has to fight off any of her mother's "clients" or boyfriends who try to get a piece of her as well. Her mother's driver's license was revoked because she was caught Driving Under the Influence. |
| 111 | |
| 112 | Carly and Spencer know about all of this; they allow Sam to stay with them and are not surprised when she turns up in the middle of the night. This happens when Sam runs away because is overwhelmed by her mother's drinking or drug use or when she ''really'' doesn't want to see the clients her mother takes home at night. Freddie has some basic knowledge of Sam's situation, which is why he is content to try to stop Sam from bullying him, rather than try to insult her back. |
| 113 | |
| 114 | Sam's recurring dream where a monster eats her soup stems from this. The monster is her father; the soup symbolises her innocence. |
| 115 | * There's a problem: If Sam's family's so poor, how does Melanie manage to go to that rich school? If she got there by government welfare, they would've let Sam go too. And students can't really receive scholarships for middle schools. I know the characters were in 9th grade by that episode, but then if she only received it for high school (which isn't that likely), she would've appeared sometimes in the first season. |
| 116 | ** They explicitly said she was on a scholarship, so Melanie most likely worked her ass off to get it, and get out of the trainwreck that was her home life. Whilst Sam just sat back on her ass doing nothing but bitch and moan, and eventually bully other kids because of it. |
| 117 | ** Also, in refrence to the 'they would've let Sam go too', would ''you'' let Sam into a fancy school if you were its headmaster? |
| 118 | |
| 119 | [[WMG: Sam's HumiliationConga in ''iSpeed Date'' was created specifically to appease the portion of the iCarly fandom who feel Sam's awesomeness is running rampant and unchecked]] |
| 120 | Because we can't have such an untamed, concentrated form of awesome in an amoral female character without ''some'' way to keep her in check. Let's hope they don't take this to [[BadassDecay the logical]] [[KarmicDeath extreme ...]]]] |
| 121 | * Most people don't care as much about her strength as how she's a JerkSue who gets away with everything, is a massive bully, yet is still half of a very popular ship -- and the other half is the biggest target for her disgusting behaviour. |
| 122 | ** Her strength isn't what needs containing -- Nickelodeon isn't afraid of strong females. The problem is, if a girl on television isn't the epitome of moral rectitude and instead chooses to act up, [[TruthInTelevision (as teenager are wont to do)]], then she's automatically a bitch who must be humiliated before she can be redeemed, if that's even possible. Never mind that characters like Sam Puckett and [[Series/WizardsOfWaverlyPlace Alex Russo]] are more interesting to watch than Series/HannahMontana and her ilk.... And as far as the shipping with Freddie goes, that's the viewers [[MisaimedFandom misinterpreting]] the fact that Sam and Freddie are (at best) VitriolicBestBuds, especially in later episodes, where the fighting has decreased somewhat and they are slightly more comfortable around each other. |
| 123 | *** Am I the only one disturbed by how angry people are getting over something bad happen to Sam? She isn't the most awesome thing ever. She's just a jerk. It's nice to see some consequences from it, and I haven't seen any signs of character development from her. |
| 124 | *** You are not alone. It's Sam's behavior which made me give up on the show. Apparently it's okay for a girl to be a total bitch to all but a few people, especially if it's a boy who happens to be a nerd. [[DoubleStandard Nevermind the backlash if it were the other way around]]. Sam and Freddie are VitriolicBestBuds? A CurbStompBattle-equivalent, maybe (How the hell does what Freddie has done to Sam equivalent to her ''throwing him out of a treehouse'') but definitely not best buds. If the likes of [[JerkSue Sam Puckett and Alex Russo]] are really the epitome of "awesome female characters," then I'll stick with the likes of ''Series/HannahMontana''. At least their behavior doesn't drive me to change the channel out of disgust. |
| 125 | *** Characters like Sam who earn the label of "awesome" do so ''because'' of (not just in spite of) the fact that they push things to the extreme and give less than a shit about likability. Sure, we wouldn't like someone like Sam (or [[Series/WizardsOfWaverlyPlace Alex]], or god forbid, [[Series/DrakeAndJosh Megan]]) in real life, but that's kinda the point: We live ''through'' them vicariously, on some level admiring their deplorable behavior because we know we couldn't get away with it and because they do it with none of the self-consciousness we ourselves are afflicted with in the real world. Even if (as illustrated above) you don't like these characters, you react to them strongly and are engaged nonetheless. Hence why characters like Series/HannahMontana don't strike as much of a chord: They ring false in some way, going in the opposite direction by embodying a kind of [[IncorruptiblePurePureness sugary sweetness and naivete]] that we, even on our best days, don't possess. |
| 126 | *** Poster of "just a jerk" comment: Actually, I really don't have any strong opinion on her. And, to be frank, I'm not even sure where Series/HannahMontana came in. It's not like you can only have one of two kinds of female characters. Hell, Carly herself is hardly "pure", but she's also far less "[[JerkSue Awesome]]". |
| 127 | *** ''Series/HannahMontana''? The epitome of moral rectitude? Seriously? |
| 128 | |
| 129 | [[WMG: Sam is ObfuscatingStupidity.]] |
| 130 | Although Sam "obviously" doesn't try hard in school, she may just be pretending. She could be as smart as Melanie, who managed to get into a top school, seemingly. But, as with ObfuscatingStupidity, she may have held herself back for either laziness, or to be with Carly. Or maybe to keep on being able to insult Freddie. It's never given when Carly and Sam met Freddie, but it could have been before Melanie got to that school. Honestly I don't have pretty much no evidence, but she may be acting stupid to mess up the teachers. I remember twice she uses pretty advanced vocabulary words that most teens don't usually say casually. About Nevel - "Aughhhh. He's so conceited." And in the episode where she dates Jonah - "I know I'm a bit... abrasive." I don't hear a lot of teenagers saying that. |
| 131 | * As Sam apparently got held back for the third grade (which could have been before Carly even ''moved'' to Seattle), the reason Freddie didn't know Melanie was probably that as she was moved ahead a year compared to Sam, she left for her private school a year before the girls met Freddie. So Freddie either met them in their last year of primary school, or their first year of middle school, depending on exactly which school their 6th grade was part of, so it's doubtful that her getting held back had anything to do with Freddie. Also, would I be the only one who wants to punch the wall if she turns out to be a genius as well as unrealistically strong AND gets away with everything? |
| 132 | |
| 133 | [[WMG: Alternatively, Sam is BrilliantButLazy.]] |
| 134 | See above. |
| 135 | * And how does the above have anything to do with being BrilliantButLazy? |
| 136 | |
| 137 | [[WMG: Sam is a stoner.]] |
| 138 | Seriously. Why else is she always hungry, and always sleepy? |
| 139 | * [[@/CalamityJane I,]] for one, [[StonersAreFunny love stoner characters]], so thank you. |
| 140 | ** Her and Spencer totally get high together. Probably Socko too. If this results in Spencer/Socko man-love, hot Spencer/Sam love-making, or crazy OT3 is up to the reader. |
| 141 | ** Not to mention her some of her clothes, especially in the earlier season looks somewhat stoner/hippie like. |
| 142 | ** Her friends in ''iFence'' that try to get her away from reading her book, definitely look like stoners, and they aren't shown to be Carly or Freddie's type of crowd. |
| 143 | * For that matter, Carly kinda seems like a stoner at times too. There are numerous occasions when she repeats a funny sounding word the gently laughs a la WesternAnimation/BeavisAndButthead. Aside from pranks, she writes most of the material on iCarly which is on the Main page as not being written with a clear head, I for one love stoner comedy and characters, but they are as close to a G-rated/Nickelodeon version of Female WesternAnimation/BeavisAndButthead expies as you can get. The writers and cast do a great job of not making Carly and Sam seem like airheads, but shows that they are far from being geniuses, but YMMV. |
| 144 | [[WMG: Sam is a super powered mutant]] |
| 145 | She beats up bullies twice her size, she wrestled a full grown man to the ground without working up a sweat, she rips chain locks off of doors and when she and Carly were hanging from that platform in "iQuit iCarly", even though she said she wasn't strong enough to pull her up, she did, ''with one arm''! Plus that would explain why she's always hungry. She has to maintain her mutant metabolism. |
| 146 | |
| 147 | [[WMG: Sam is part-Fae]] |
| 148 | Improbable events keep happening about her, fiercely loyal, inability to care about things that don't directly affect her, unnatural strength, large sprawling family, problems with human authority - so many things could be explained about her if she or one her ancestors was one of the FairFolk. A clue might be in her last name of ''Puck''ett. |
| 149 | |
| 150 | [[WMG: Sam is Jewish and in the Witness Protection Program, hiding from her dad.]] |
| 151 | An unholy mix of some of the above entries. Sam's father is a criminal, most likely with ties to organized crime. (She mentions a lot of family members in jail, she knows how to take care of herself, etc.) He did something so bdd that it got him put away for life and put his family in danger. So Sam and her mom went into the Witness Protection Program to protect themselves. |
| 152 | Sam's mother hasn't really gotten over that event, which explains why Sam's crappy homelife. All the Jewish references that Sam makes are her slipping out of her the new "persona" she was given. The running gag that she loves meat (especially bacon) is her way of saying, "Oh no, I'm not Jewish at all." |
| 153 | * If she got into witness protection, there is no way they would her old family talk with them. |
| 154 | ** Or be a popular face on a web show |
| 155 | |
| 156 | [[WMG: Sam's issues are all because she was a Pageant Kid.]] |
| 157 | * [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_i7zuU3Nh13k/SJp89kotUyI/AAAAAAAAAMY/OxDcb4v2MzY/s400/kid_beauty_pageant_149.jpg Think]] [[http://bsalert.com/f-store/stepford_kid.jpg about]] [[http://digital-lifestyles.info/copy_images/pageant-makeover-lg2.jpg it.]] |
| 158 | ** [[NightmareFuel Oh, god ... It-it all makes sense now ...]] |
| 159 | |
| 160 | [[WMG: Sam is somehow related to Coco from Series/{{Zoey101}}]] |
| 161 | Both are blond, both are in love with food, both are incompetent workers, and both live in the Creator/DanSchneider universe. Somehow, they might be related or Sam will grow up to be Coco when she does a deed so terrible, she's chased out of the state and she starts a new life somewhere else with the name Coco. She will live as Zoey's Dorm advisor for the rest of her life, hiding from the police. |
| 162 | |
| 163 | [[WMG: Sam is somehow related to Drake from ''Series/DrakeAndJosh''.]] |
| 164 | Think about it. Sam has a twin sister, who apparently goes to another school. She may have a brother, who could be Drake or some persona of him. They both [[BookDumb fail academically]]. Maybe Melanie only got the smart genes. Plus, she keeps a [[BigBrotherWorship picture of him in her locker]]. |
| 165 | * Therefore, the tuna sandwich event that caused her and Carly's friendship was a way of seeing if Carly, with her eerily similar appearance to Megan, had the [[JerkSue potential]] to act as an {{Expy}} for Megan. |
| 166 | |
| 167 | [[WMG: Sam will be the best driver of the quartette.]] |
| 168 | Face it, we are inevitably going to get a "iDrive" episode in season 4 where the characters learn to drive, since they should all be 16 by now. Carly will fail, Freddie will be taught by his mom, causing a scene that would end up as a SugarWiki/{{Funny Moment|s}}, Gibby would not do well enough to pass or will choose not to because his girlfriend can drive, and Sam would end up acing the driving test completely. Everyone is completely confused and they are convinced that she cheated somehow, and for complete irony, it turns out she IS great at driving. |
| 169 | * That's so predictable it could've rolled right off the desk of Dan himself. Bonus points if Sam runs Freddie over and [[JerkSue still passes]]. |
| 170 | ** Alternately, it'll be a follow-up to the ''Series/YoGabbaGabba'' Kia commercial. Freddie'll have a moderate amount of difficulty DrivingStick for a first lesson; Sam (different car) will rev the car to the redline, pop the clutch, and lay rubber; and Carly (diff. car again) will just put it in "D".... Voiceover "The Kia Forte. Manual or automatic is just the beginning of your choices." |
| 171 | |
| 172 | [[WMG:There is no "Melanie." ]] |
| 173 | Either Freddie was right about her being a prank of Sam's, or she is (one of) Sam's alternate personalities. |
| 174 | * Jossed, they appear in the same scene at the same time at the same place. |
| 175 | ** But not completely, however, Melanie could be a LiteralSplitPersonality. |
| 176 | *** Carly acknowledges her presence in the elevator. Plus, neither Sam nor Carly pushed the button for the elevator, so how else would an empty elevator know to stop at that specific floor? |
| 177 | *** Melanie's an android. Or a hologram. Or just another character in the [[Creator/DanSchneider Schneiderverse]] that happens to look like Sam. |
| 178 | |
| 179 | [[WMG: Sam had been neglected by her parents in the past]] |
| 180 | She clings onto such habits to this day, even after it's stopped. She's always hungry, her personality, behavior, etc. It could be innocent, or not... |
| 181 | ** Pretty much confirmed in iSam's Mom. |
| 182 | |
| 183 | [[WMG: Sam is a Self-Hating Jew]] |
| 184 | This explains how all of the evidence for her being Jewish could be correct even though she out and out claimed that she wasn't Jewish. |
| 185 | |
| 186 | [[WMG: Sam is at least part monster and doesn't know it.]] |
| 187 | Sam is the least moral of the main characters. She's way too strong to be human, and she has a lot of violent tendencies. And the way she constantly eats meat? She's holding off the HorrorHunger. |
| 188 | |
| 189 | [[WMG: Sam is a [[Series/BuffytheVampireSlayer Slayer.]]]] |
| 190 | It would explain her super strength, agility and general waifu. Plus, it's been shown that when they were younger, Carly was roughly as strong as her, being able to knock her to the floor. The reason she's always one step ahead of Freddy is because she receives prophetic visions in her sleep of his next move. She's most likely undiscovered and hasn't seen through TheMasquerade yet. |
| 191 | |
| 192 | [[WMG: Sam doesn't have a FreudianExcuse for her behavior.]] |
| 193 | She's just a cunt. |
| 194 | * [[Tropers/ArchdukeCthulhu I agree.]] |
| 195 | ** The show basically gives her that FreudianExcuse, even if she doesn't really take it. |
| 196 | * [[JerkassWoobie Is that necessarily a bad thing though?]] |
| 197 | [[WMG: Sam is a troll.]] |
| 198 | iCarly is an InstantWebHit because Sam could seriously screw up a forum disliking it. This might explain why Nevel's site hasn't been mentioned for a while, IIRC... |
| 199 | |
| 200 | [[WMG: Sam isn't ''technically'' Jewish...]] |
| 201 | But her father was. That could explain why she has a lot of AmbiguouslyJewish characteristics, while still not being Jewish, as children are only Jewish if their mother is. |
| 202 | |
| 203 | [[WMG: The only reason that Sam wanted to keep Cort in iCarly was that she was tired of waiting for someone (even Freddie) that she would think he would like her.]] |
| 204 | Think about it... She might have feelings for Cort because of this reason. And probably this, because Sam knew that no one would love her and take Carly instead. Rewatch it. You'll get it. |
| 205 | |
| 206 | [[WMG: Alternatively, the only reason that Sam wanted to keep Cort in iCarly was that she was hiding the fact that she is a lesbian.]] |
| 207 | Search your feelings, you know it to be true. |
| 208 | |
| 209 | [[WMG: Sam is secretly jealious of Freddy]] |
| 210 | She picks on him because she's jealous he's so successful in school and has a loving mother when she does poorly and her mother doesn't care about her very much. |
| 211 | |
| 212 | [[WMG: Sam's eating habits are a result of her home life]] |
| 213 | Sam suffers from a case of ParentalAbandonment, so her home life is less than pleasant, hence the reason she stays at the Shays' loft so much. She gorges on food because she doesn't get fed properly at home. |
| 214 | * [[FridgeHorror Which may mean she's bulimic, as she doesn't weigh nearly as much as someone who eats that much meat should.]] |
| 215 | ** Actually I happen to eat just as much if not sometimes more than Sam and don't weigh that much either. Although I have been accused of being bulimic before... |
| 216 | |
| 217 | [[WMG: Sam was supposed to go to Hollywood Arts.]] |
| 218 | In one episode, Sam mentions taking trombone lessons for years and even played a little on the show. She's also shown to have taken dance lessons (though that could have been just for pageants). Pam might have forced Sam into both of these hoping she would be a prodigy so she could get a scholarship, just like Melanie did. When Sam wasn't accepted (or didn't get a scholarship), Pam made her to enter pageants instead. Pam was dissappointed and began neglecting Sam and favoring Melanie, while Sam began to resent Pam and became jealous of Melanie. |
| 219 | |
| 220 | [[WMG: Sam was sexually abused as a child, possibly by her father.]] |
| 221 | * Sam seems to exhibit many characteristics of a rape victim. She doesn't like to be touched, she constantly acts out, appears to hate men judging by the way she treats Freddie and other guys and even though it can't be canonized, she was probably on drugs and alcohol at least for a while. She may also be slightly agoraphobic since she often hates going places and afraid to be alone since she often stays at Carly's house when her mother is out at night (or when they have an argument). Knowing Sam, she's probably tough enough to shake it off most of the time, but no matter how hard you try to forget, you'll always be reminded of it. |
| 222 | [[WMG: Sam is either a closeted butch bisexual or lesbian.]] |
| 223 | She has a dislike towards men. She's always hitting Freddie. She has a close relationship with her best friend Carly and is always crashing at her place whenever she has a fight with someone. In one episode, she leaves the smoothie shop early because she saw Freddie and Carly dancing together and couldn't handle it. In "iOMG", she denies being in love with with a boy whenever Carly or Freddie hound her with questions about her feelings. She also dislikes having to dress or act girly. She also comments on how hot certain girls are and nobody questions her about it. |
| 224 | [[/folder]] |
| 225 | |
| 226 | [[folder:Spencer]] |
| 227 | [[WMG: Spencer prefers underaged girls.]] |
| 228 | There's been more than enough evidence that he and Sam have a non-serious thing for each other; and in another episode, he carries Carly up the steps to her bed like he's carrying her over the threshold... while she's in a suggestive outfit. |
| 229 | * [[{{Squick}} Eww]]... Oh, and in the Christmas special, he had a thing for Mrs. Benson, who's at least 15 years ''older'' than him. |
| 230 | * He is shown to have trouble with girls his own age. |
| 231 | ** He's an adult. Even Sam is underage. |
| 232 | *** Not any more :D, well the actress isn't. |
| 233 | * Spencer dated Gibby's mom, who is older than him. |
| 234 | * At the end of iPyscho while they are sitting around a camp fire, the first thing Spencer asks is what does Nora look like. I'm sure at that point they fully explained to him what had happened to them while at Nora's house, but still, he wanted to know what she looked like. |
| 235 | |
| 236 | [[WMG: Spencer had a one-night stand with a woman]] |
| 237 | And the girl from iSpace Out was his illegitimate daughter. |
| 238 | |
| 239 | [[WMG: Spencer died after the kids rolled him into the ocean in the HalloweenEpisode.]] |
| 240 | While the kids roll the pumpkin he's hiding in out the door after telling Lewbert they're going to dump him into the ocean, he yells that he can't swim, so therefore, it's only natural he kicked the bucket. Each of his subsequent appearances has been his ghost wearing his mortal body's skin as a kind of suit. |
| 241 | * ...Oh... oh, God! That's just...that's...ugh! |
| 242 | * And that would explain his obituary |
| 243 | |
| 244 | [[WMG: Spencer is actually Carly's father.]] |
| 245 | * But he hides it, since Carly would no doubt find it weird that her dad was 13 when she was born. |
| 246 | ** If that's true, it leads to UnfortunateImplications, because Carly seems to love one grandfather ''much'' more than the other. Anyone remember Grandad from "iWannaStayWithSpencer"? |
| 247 | |
| 248 | [[WMG:Spencer is pyrokinetic mutant.]] |
| 249 | If that can be called a 'guess.' He'll be taken away by TheGovernment in the last episode to be... [[TheyWouldCutYouUp "analyzed"]], as part of the above mention DownerEnding. |
| 250 | * Well he's either that or a [[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender firebender]]. |
| 251 | * He's at least a pyromaniac, considering how much of his stuff has gone up in flames. |
| 252 | ** No, he's not a pyromaniac. They set stuff on fire ''intentionally''. Since Spencer screams "WHY DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING?!" and "HOW IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE?!", it's anything but intentional. |
| 253 | |
| 254 | [[WMG: Spencer is a JustForFun/TimeLord.]] |
| 255 | It would explain a lot, actually. |
| 256 | |
| 257 | [[WMG: Spencer is autistic, [[DiagnosedByTheAudience or has some other condition.]]]] |
| 258 | Carly's comments about Spencer not having a normal brain, coupled with some other comments about his weirdness, have a whole new context now. It also explains why Spencer is so sensitive about it, and why Carly immediately recognizes her mistake and apologizes. |
| 259 | |
| 260 | [[WMG: Spencer doesn't have a good relationship with his and Carly's father.]] |
| 261 | It seems whenever the dad talks to them he is only interested in talking to Carly, usually brushing off Spencer or not even saying good-bye to him. When we first hear him call Spencer tries to talk to him about oystamato juice and is told 'I don't care'. Spencer also mentions embarrassing him on iCarly when he just helping his little sister with her show. This tension probably comes from the fact that their father basically left him to have to hold down a job, go to college (the dad still thinks he's going) and take care of his sister by himself. |
| 262 | |
| 263 | [[WMG: Spencer built the microwave Carly gave to Principal Franklin.]] |
| 264 | Spence is known through the series to build things, only for them to set on fire later. In the episode ''iPromise Not To Tell'', Carly and Freddie give Principal Franklin a microwave for his birthday. Later, in ''iGot Detention'', the microwave (which appears to be the same one) caught on fire, which would most likely happen if Spencer built it in the first place. |
| 265 | |
| 266 | [[/folder]] |
| 267 | |
| 268 | [[folder:Gibby]] |
| 269 | [[WMG: Gibby will hook up with the stupid female intern in iHire An Idiot.]] |
| 270 | * Gibby is pimp. |
| 271 | ** {{Jossed}} |
| 272 | |
| 273 | [[WMG: Gibby was added to main cast to [[PairTheSpares get together]] with the remaining girl.]] |
| 274 | This probably is the last season, as no kid live action show usually goes beyond the 4th season. [[Creator/DanSchneider Dan]] is getting things set to pair Freddie with one of the girls (and to see the shipping wars explode). That means he needs someone to hook up with the remainig girl. A shame since Gibby/Tasha is cute. |
| 275 | |
| 276 | [[WMG: Gibby was added to main cast to protect the show in the event that Sam or Freddie need to be PutOnABus.]] |
| 277 | As the 3 main actors age towards their late teens, speculation always starts up about how long the show can last, and if the actors want to continue playing their roles. This brought the end of ''Series/DrakeAndJosh'' with the actors in their early 20's by the time it ended. The show itself can probably survive the removal of either Sam or Freddie from the cast, for example, if Jenette wished to continue her music career full-time and left. Gibby's actor is about 3 years younger, even though his character is the same age as the rest, and could be used to fill the gap in a future season. |
| 278 | ** As stated in a WMG below, iCarly only has a couple years left. It'll probably end in 2012 with the characters graduating, then Noah Munck and his little brother will end up in a Drake & Josh-esque show, hopefully with Music/ArianaGrande, The girl that plays Wendy, Jerry Trainor, and some other "minor" characters from iCarly and Victorious too. |
| 279 | |
| 280 | [[WMG: Gibby has a secret career ambition to be a [[YouCanLeaveYourHatOn Chippendale Dancer]]]] |
| 281 | * This one shouldn't be too hard to see: He likes to take off his shirt and gyrate his hips suggestively. |
| 282 | |
| 283 | [[WMG: Spencer is Gibby's dad.]] |
| 284 | Spencer is assumably 28 at this point in time. Gibby is 16. That leads us to age 12. Ms. Gibson (I believe that is their last name) is a tutor for Spencer, as his pranking got started around that age, although much more harmless. Of course, Spencer is curious and falls for said tutor. Bring in a [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale moment alone]]. Ms. Gibson is done with her tutoring and goes off. She dyes her hair and gains a new lifestyle. She has Gibby. At perhaps 30 or so, Spencer might be around 20. Spencer doesn't remember her, since she looks really different and its been a while. Ms. Gibson gets married, has Gubby. Gibby and Gubby look alike,and she doesnt worry. Then we get to Spencer meeting her again. He recalls she looks familiar, and she points out that her son is Gibby, when really it's the fact that they've done things in the past. And Gibby likes to spend time with Spencer, assumably. Like a fatherly figure, say Gibby's step-dad is a traveler of some sort. Gibby might feel some sort of connection lthat is father-and-son, for obvious reasons. |
| 285 | * Or an even more likely reason he doesn't remember her: he blocked out the memory. This can happen to some people when something [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil traumatic happens to them]]. |
| 286 | * 12 Year Old Spencer and A 20-something Ms. Gibson is {{Squick}}. Ew. |
| 287 | |
| 288 | [[WMG: In the end of the show, Gibby will point out that Sam is a lesbian.]] |
| 289 | And {{Yuri Fan}}s everywhere will rejoice. And everyone else will FLIP THE FUCK OUT. |
| 290 | |
| 291 | [[WMG: Before he started making regular appearances on iCarly, Gibby was depressed and possibly suicidal.]] |
| 292 | The school psychologist noticed that iCarly was becoming very popular, and Sam and Carly with it, so he asked them to invite Gibby to make an appearance on their next show. Since then, Gibby found that the world wasn't nearly as bad as he thought and decided to give happiness another chance. |
| 293 | |
| 294 | [[WMG: Gibby is a Wizard.]] |
| 295 | |
| 296 | I'm just sayin'. |
| 297 | [[/folder]] |
| 298 | |
| 299 | [[folder:Mrs. Benson]] |
| 300 | [[WMG: Mrs. Benson has Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, and is aware of it.]] |
| 301 | Maybe she has been formally diagnosed with it and is being treated for it. |
| 302 | |
| 303 | This is why she takes ridiculous steps regarding Freddie's physical safety and cleanliness in general (and ticks in particular), but has said nary a peep about his participating in a live webcast with a huge number of viewers or hanging around two girls so much with almost no supervision. They simply don't fire up her irrational side like ticks do. |
| 304 | * To avoid [[MyBelovedSmother ruining his life]] now that ''iCarly'' is such a major part of it, she could be making an effort to avoid MediaScaremongering news reports about [[NewMediaAreEvil Internet predators]]. The reason she has "all the good channels blocked" isn't so much to protect Freddie from them as to protect him ''from herself''. |
| 305 | ** She probably figures that out of the trio of teens, the nerdy guy is in far less danger than the two hot girls. |
| 306 | |
| 307 | [[WMG: Mrs. Benson is TOTALLY BONKERS and, when Freddy starts to grow up for real, she will kill him and stuff his body.]] |
| 308 | She thinks that Carly and Sam ''started his puberty''. She is messed up; if she was real, then she would be put in a mental hospital. She started ''attacking Carly because Freddy saved her life.'' BEYOND INSANE. |
| 309 | * Which is extra crazy that Mrs. Benson thinks that it's Carly's fault he started puberty, but it is either canon or strong fanon that she's a Nurse. |
| 310 | |
| 311 | [[WMG: Mrs. Benson's overprotection comes from abandonment issues.]] |
| 312 | |
| 313 | [[WMG: Mrs. Benson beat up the Shadow Hammer offscreen]] |
| 314 | Freddy realized the guy had just come past their door and probably told her. Not satisfied by Spencer's trick, Mrs. Benson called the cops and proceeded to beat the tar out of the guy herself in a display of her MamaBear side. After which he was arrested. What? It could happen! |
| 315 | [[/folder]] |
| 316 | |
| 317 | [[folder:Nevel]] |
| 318 | [[WMG: Sam, Shelby, Carly and Freddie killed Nevel at the end of ''iFight Shelby Marx''.]] |
| 319 | * He hasn't been seen since that episode, nor even spoken of iirc. I'd guess that after Sam and Shelby softened him up, Carly went to give him one big sucker punch as a final warning against messing with them again, but she hit him too hard or in a bad place, and it killed him. Gibby and Freddie disposed of the body to protect Carly. |
| 320 | ** [[SarcasmMode That's going to make]] [[http://icarly.wikia.com/wiki/IPity_The_Nevel iPity The Nevel]] [[SarcasmMode real awkward]]. |
| 321 | ** {{Jossed}}. |
| 322 | |
| 323 | [[WMG: Whoever put the entry about Nevel being Camp Gay on the main show page is onto something.]] |
| 324 | The reason Nevel wants a kiss from Carly is because he's young and confused and wants to know if kissing a girl will make him feel ''something''. It hasn't happened yet because Dan Schneider is still trying to work out how to sneak a ComingOutStory onto {{Creator/Nickelodeon}}. |
| 325 | * It seemed obvious after his mother remarked about Nevel "thinking girls were yucky" (and Nevel talking about his "changes"). The unseen way he got Carly to be his "girlfriend" during the Christmas episode was telling Carly of his problems and issues. (Without Sam around, it's believable that they might run in the same circles, and become friends first). Carly, being the caring person she is, decided to help him "try it out," so to speak. |
| 326 | ** Nevel seems to be more cultured than gay. That, and he's 11...and most likely more sheltered than Freddie. Freddie's and Nevel's mothers may have been friends at some point...how else would they have raised kids who happen to be geniuses (as far as the show's concerned) in such a sheltered way? |
| 327 | *** This is a SitCom. ''Many'' sitcom writers appear to believe that, if a male of the species is truly cultured, then he must be either gay or insane. His age is a good point, but once he hits puberty (and he apparently has), his sexual orientation becomes a legit topic of discussion even if he's an early bloomer. |
| 328 | *** He was 11 at his first appearance (probably almost 12 based on [[DawsonCasting size]] if nothing else; everyone's a year or so older in the "now" of new series episodes... |
| 329 | |
| 330 | [[WMG: Nevel has an allergy to something in animal fat.]] |
| 331 | That's why he only gets vegetable products and guacamole dumped on him, and why he is so obsessed with [[IncrediblyLamePun roux]]. |
| 332 | |
| 333 | [[WMG: Nevel has bipolar disoder.]] |
| 334 | This would explain why he overreacts everytime something gets him angry. |
| 335 | * This is a better description of Borderline Personality Disorder than Bipolar Disorder. In BPD, mood swings are triggered by conflict and or extreme emotion. In Bipolar Disorder, they usually just happen. |
| 336 | [[/folder]] |
| 337 | |
| 338 | [[folder:Other Characters]] |
| 339 | [[WMG: Socko has a friend we haven't heard about.]] |
| 340 | His friend's name is Vanzetti. He drives a van. |
| 341 | * I'm sorry, but that is the historical reference pun of the century. Well done. |
| 342 | Alternately: He sells porta-potties. His name is John. |
| 343 | |
| 344 | [[WMG: The art buyer's wife from ''iStage an Intervention'' was Miss Ackerman]] |
| 345 | Same actress, and she looks just as crazy. Looks like she finally found true love. |
| 346 | |
| 347 | [[WMG: Nora will become the BigBad now that Nevel has had his HeelFaceTurn]] |
| 348 | Nora is set to reappear in iStill Psycho, Nevel is no longer a bad guy and was pretty much the BigBad, so now the position is open. She'll reappear in iStill Psycho, after the Saddie StoryArc ends and become the main recurring villain. After all, iPsycho was one of the most popular episode of the show by far, so it'd make sense to make the special BigBad a BreakoutVillain. |
| 349 | |
| 350 | [[WMG: Socko's last name is Suzumiya]] |
| 351 | Because really, who else but a relative Haruhi Suzumiya would think to make socks with built in neon lights? |
| 352 | |
| 353 | [[WMG: Principal Franklin is a serial killer.]] |
| 354 | He's the reason why every season school characters vanish and never return. Brad, Jeremy, Tareen, Jonah, Valerie, Missy, Jake, Pete and Reuben have all been murdered by him. |
| 355 | |
| 356 | [[WMG: The Bagel Guy will figure into the plot somewhere down the line.]] |
| 357 | * This might happen for the iSpeed Date episode. |
| 358 | ** Hah, yes. [[IKnewIt No T-Bo = No Music = No Creddie dance.]] |
| 359 | ** He also turns into a semi-recurring character in the later series, with several episodes directly about him. |
| 360 | |
| 361 | [[WMG: Socko and his "family" are a cult.]] |
| 362 | Socko makes socks. Issac is an optometrist. Rob is a known thief. Tyler makes ties. Taylor is a tailor. Penny makes Penny tees. Otto sells cars.* Coincidence? Don't believe it. Not for a moment. Born to a hardworking, bitter man who prophecized the downfall of civilization due to mankind's laziness, Socko decided early on to give everything to his career. And he did so! He poured everything he had into a job he had as a teenager (making socks), but that got him nowhere. Even in his obsession, he could see that he wasn't going to be promoted anytime soon. Thanks to his upbringing, Socko felt that he wasn't moving up because he wasn't working hard enough. In an effort to eliminate the "distractions" in his life, Socko rid himself of his own identity. It was then that he became Socko, the perfect sockmaker. Then he got fired (he looked down on the other workers for their destructive, immoral "slacking off"). |
| 363 | |
| 364 | While one might think this firing got him to reconsider his position, it didn't. He simply thought his bosses were crazy and had messed up priorities. Further, he knew that he could continue to make socks on his own. By now, he knew the whole process. He started up a business and grew to be somewhat successful (while not cheap, his socks are of incredibly high quality, and he makes custom ones!). This made him happy for a while, but he still saw laziness everywhere. Setting an example for these people wasn't enough! He would have to recruit people to his side. He would learn how to interact with people, how to charm them into listening to his righteous philosophies. He knew he'd have to sacrifice a little of the space in his brain that would normally be devoted to sock-making for this, but it had to be done. Indeed, this incredible evil was for the greater good. |
| 365 | |
| 366 | It is then that he began to gather "relatives" to his side. Just as Socko became Socko, the devoted car salesman became "Otto". After they were inducted into the cult, Socko gave them ranks that coincided with how close to the ideal of the perfect artisan (Socko himself) they were. Thus, the most devoted and skilled is his "brother" Tyler. The less devoted are typically called "cousins", though some are called "Uncles" due to their age (Socko's dad always taught him to respect his elders). Unbeknownst to Spencer, his friend Socko is really a deranged cultist attempting to induct him into "The Craftsmen." The gifts, the happy conversation, all are an effort to push Spencer towards becoming "Art". =P |
| 367 | * Thanks, Website/TVTropes trope list! |
| 368 | ** Oh my god. |
| 369 | |
| 370 | [[WMG: Socko is a Time Lord]] |
| 371 | And the Tardis is where he keeps all the things that he gives to Spencer. |
| 372 | |
| 373 | [[WMG: Socko is related to [[WesternAnimation/HeyArnold Fuzzy Slippers]]]] |
| 374 | Think about it: Both are referred to constantly without ever being shown onscreen and both have names which seem to deal with comfortable footwear. It ''has'' to be! |
| 375 | |
| 376 | [[WMG: Socko is Spencer's alternate identity.]] |
| 377 | He is never shown onscreen or even speaks once. Not even so much as an email over the internet. |
| 378 | ** Jossed |
| 379 | Socko is seem for the first time on Iparty with victorious, he's only seen for a fraction of a second and its only his back but he is confirmed to exist (he was giving Spencer the keys to his car so they could drive to LA). |
| 380 | |
| 381 | [[WMG: Shane (from ''iSaw Him First'') is an unwitting sexual surrogate for Carly and Sam]] |
| 382 | Bear with me: A sexual surrogate is someone "safe" who forges a sexual connection between two people who, for whatever reason, can't have sex. Carly and Sam, savvy enough to realize that the censors won't allow them to be together on-screen, fight one another over Shane with far more passion than either of them seems to share ''with'' Shane. The "rivalry" is positively dripping with LesYay and UnresolvedSexualTension and the only thing that really seems to motivate them to seduce Shane is the knowledge that they will make one another jealous in the process. In fact, you could say that their fighting and arguing in that episode count as GRatedSex. |
| 383 | * This is now canon to me. |
| 384 | ** The LesYay and UnrestolvedSexualTension is even heavier in the episode with Missy. |
| 385 | ** Too true. The "rivalry" for who gets to be Carly's best friend is basically a LoveTriangle, complete with Sam clearly willing to resort to [[MurderTheHypotenuse drastic measures]]. |
| 386 | |
| 387 | [[WMG: Alternatively, Shane is a ShipperOnDeck for Sam and Carly.]] |
| 388 | |
| 389 | [[WMG: Sam's mom will turn out to be evil]] |
| 390 | And it will lead to the biggest Woobie moment Sam has ever had. |
| 391 | * If they remember Melanie, they'll probably have Sam's mom give Sam the classic FreudianExcuse "Why can't you be more like your sister". |
| 392 | ** Semi-confirmed. It probably wasn't ''too bad'' considering how they've played up the character when she was unseen, but she's still a horrible mother. |
| 393 | |
| 394 | [[WMG:Melanie exists, but it was Sam that went out with Freddie.]] |
| 395 | She forced Melanie to not go, and went in her place to see what going out with the Dork would be like, maybe for kicks or potential teasing opportunities. |
| 396 | |
| 397 | [[WMG: That adorable little girl in ''iSpace Out'' was a deaf-mute]] |
| 398 | She got onto the Shays' special elevator by accident, and that's why she never replied to Spencer: she couldn't understand him because she doesn't know how to read lips as well as sign-language. That's also why she kept running away from him and only screamed at him: She didn't know what he was going to do to her and couldn't give voice to her thoughts. |
| 399 | |
| 400 | [[WMG: The adorable little girl is Chuck's sister]] |
| 401 | He's training her to be just as evil as him, and sent her to torment Spencer. The reason she wasn't with Chuck's family in iBeat the Heat was because she was already at a friend's house, for a sleepover or something. |
| 402 | |
| 403 | [[WMG: Wesley (the beatboxing boy) transferred to [[Series/{{Victorious}} Hollywood Arts.]]]] |
| 404 | He hasn't been around since series 1, and he spends all his free time beatboxing - kinda reminds you of Robbie always carrying Rex. |
| 405 | |
| 406 | [[WMG: Mandy from iAm Your Biggest Fan is a lesbian.]] |
| 407 | She may or may not know her orientation yet, but she's not only obsessed with Carly - she's in love. |
| 408 | |
| 409 | [[WMG: Melanie's episode never happened]] |
| 410 | It was a delusional dream of either Sam or Freddie in reaction to something they want. |
| 411 | * {{Jossed}} |
| 412 | |
| 413 | [[WMG: T-Bo's increase in popularity has to do with Tim Tebow]] |
| 414 | * Also there will be an episode that features a pose called Tbo-ing. |
| 415 | [[WMG: Marty, Spencer's assistant from iBalls, is gay]] |
| 416 | He also has a crush on Spencer. He doesn't seem to hate his original job as a men's room attendant before meeting Spencer, but he eagerly tries to impress and make conversation with him. He seems excited to do whatever Spencer asks, including massaging him, giving him a pedicure, and searching through Spencer's dirty clothes for some extra money, even calling dibs on searching the pants. Spencer is probably too oblivious to notice Marty's feelings |
| 417 | |
| 418 | [[/folder]] |
| 419 | |
| 420 | [[folder:The Missing Parents]] |
| 421 | [[WMG:Freddie's Father was abusive]] |
| 422 | When Mrs. Benson and her husband first married and had Freddie, She was a normal non-crazy mother. When Fredie was around four or five, his father fell to alcoholism or drug abuse, and started physically abusing his wife and child. When Freddie was around ten, Mrs. Benson finally managed to finalize the divorce and they moved into Bushwell Plaza. They took Marrisa's maiden name to distance themselves from the man. However, Mrs. Benson was forever changed: Seeing her only child being constantly hurt made her overprotective. In iHurt Lewbert, it's mentioned that Freddie's mother always makes him wear belts, which Freddie doesn't like, the reasoning is that Freddie's father would belt him and Mrs. Benson wants him to get over his fear of them. Carly and Sam don't know, Freddie doesn't like to talk about it. Spencer knows, though. Mrs. Benson decided it would be best to tell him as Freddie spent some much time in Spencer's home. Freddie's Father also happened to be Hispanic. The reason that Freddie has been using so many Spanish words and phrases lately is either because he's reconciled with his past or because he's trying to feel mentally close to relatives on his father's side who were kind to him, but his mom won't allow him to see anymore. |
| 423 | * Or, on the flip side ... |
| 424 | |
| 425 | [[WMG: Mrs. Benson killed Freddie's dad.]] |
| 426 | He could tell she was going off the deep end, so he was going to take Freddie away for safety. Nobody talks about it because then ''she'll kill them''. |
| 427 | |
| 428 | [[WMG: A future episode will use a school "Family Tree" project establish what happened to Spencer & Carly's mother]] |
| 429 | Namely that she died when Carly was really young, and that's the reason Spencer is an ManChild -- He doesn't want to grow up & deal with his mother's death. |
| 430 | |
| 431 | [[WMG: Carly was an unplanned baby.]] |
| 432 | Carly is probably sixteen given the show's timeline, and since Spencer was in 9th grade 14 years ago, he'd be around 28 now. People with only two children tend not to space them out that far intentionally. |
| 433 | |
| 434 | [[WMG: Spencer was an unplanned baby.]] |
| 435 | Spencer was unplanned, born when his parents were both very young, perhaps right after Steven joined the US military. He is an officer so he might have been part of those long-term deals where the military paid for and gave Steven his education, in exchange for a long-term commitment to the Air Force. Steven served for 10 or more years, and they eventually decided to have Carly. Then Carly's mom died somehow, and Steven got pulled back in by the military in the post-911 era or he couldn't cope with losing his wife and went back to work voluntarily. |
| 436 | |
| 437 | [[WMG: Both Spencer and Carly were unplanned.]] |
| 438 | Again, following on from the above 2 WMG's. Spencer was born as above, unexpectedly, early on in their parents lives. They waited, or decided not to have another child, whilst Steven was in the military. Then 10 years or so later, they had an unplanned pregnancy with Carly. |
| 439 | |
| 440 | [[WMG: [[DeathByChildbirth Carly's mother died giving birth to Carly]].]] |
| 441 | Pretty straightforward. Less straightforward might be how long Steven cared for Carly, as she confirmed in the ''iReunite With Missy'' episode that she'd lived at a military base in California for at least the first couple years of Grade School. Steven coped well enough, until she started growing up, and [[UncannyFamilyResemblance became the spitting image of her mother]]. This drove Steven Shay to despair, and he gave Carly to Spencer, and immersed himself in his military work as he couldn't bear the pain of Carly growing up, constantly reminding him that Carly was the cause of his beloved wife's death. |
| 442 | |
| 443 | [[WMG: Sam and Freddie's father [[LukeIAmYourFather are the same person.]]]] |
| 444 | Wild wild guessing here, but hey, we've never heard or seen of either of them before, so who knows! |
| 445 | * ...[[BrotherSisterIncest D8]] |
| 446 | ** ...[[ShipSinking 8D]] |
| 447 | *** No, no...my friend, that means brother and sister would have ''already kissed''. *shudder* |
| 448 | *** Well at least it was just a kiss. [[Franchise/StarWars Luke and Leia]] did as much. |
| 449 | |
| 450 | [[WMG: Freddie's Father was a Native American.]] |
| 451 | That's how he can afford all of that high-end tech equipment on the shit allowance his mother gives him: He recieves money as a registered member of the tribe. |
| 452 | |
| 453 | [[WMG: Spencer is Carly's half-brother.]] |
| 454 | The fact that they have different mothers explains the age difference. It took their father a while to get over the death of Spencer's mother (or alternatively, the fact that she left). Eventually, he gets remarried, and Carly is born. |
| 455 | |
| 456 | [[WMG: Sam's mother is a {{Hermaphrodite}}.]] |
| 457 | * [[Funny/SaintsRowTheThird "Why you gotta put that image in my head, bro?"]] |
| 458 | [[WMG: Marisa is not Freddy's real mother]] |
| 459 | Marisa likely either miscarried a child or had one die very young. She likely then abducted a child from the hospital and raised it as her own. It would explain her neurotic behavior, paranonia, and unstable behavior. She is afraid of being found out. |
| 460 | |
| 461 | [[/folder]] |
| 462 | |
| 463 | [[folder:Shipping]] |
| 464 | [[WMG: Creator/DanSchneider might repeat the same mistake [[WordOfGod Michael Poryes]] did with [[Series/HannahMontana Moliver]].]] |
| 465 | Remember the ending of iOMG? Some would say that the surprise kiss came out of nowhere, like Lilly and Oliver being Boyfriend/Girlfriend out of nowhere UNTIL THE END, ruining and destroying Moliver for good. If Dan repeats said "No development relationship until the show's finale", there could be a bad chance that Creddie would end up like Moliver, but here's hoping Dan won't repeat Michael's mistake with his show's characters, or he could face the wrath if he continued or repeated the mistake again. |
| 466 | |
| 467 | [[WMG: Sam spanks Freddie regularly.]] |
| 468 | When Sam pulled Freddie on to the couch to spank him in ''iSell Penny Tees'', Freddie exclaimed, "Oh, it's happening", as if [[DontMakeMeTakeMyBeltOff she had warned him that this would happen]]. Alluded to in ''iCan't Take It'' with this exchange: |
| 469 | |
| 470 | ->'''Carly:''' So, things are going good with you and Freddie?\ |
| 471 | '''Sam:''' Yeah, way better. Only 3 fights this week.\ |
| 472 | '''Carly:''' And you haven't hit him?\ |
| 473 | '''Sam:''' [[{{Subtext}} Not in the face...]] |
| 474 | |
| 475 | [[WMG: Sam and Freddie getting together is due to ExecutiveMeddling.]] |
| 476 | It's been mentioned that neither Creator/JennetteMcCurdy nor Creator/NathanKress aren't hot on the paring and iStart a Fan War seems to be writers telling fans not to get too caught up in the shipping mania. So maybe it's Nick Execs. |
| 477 | * Well, they didn't end up together, but that doesn't really change. The idea Nick pushed Dan into doing a 4 or 5 episode arc for Seddie is quite plausible, Dan clearly expected the ratings to be astronomical (thinking iOMG would beat the 12 million for iSaved Your Life), and Nick could have wanted to tap into what seemed like a huge fandom for Seddie. |
| 478 | |
| 479 | [[WMG: Carly/Freddie is going to happen.]] |
| 480 | The two of them have been together in pretty much every episode, ''iPear Store'' stomped on the Seddie relationship (with Freddie's reaction to Sam and Sam's outright bitchiness in ruining the job for him), and Freddie himself brought up his love for Carly to Carly (and not with or because of Sam) in ''iOwn A Restaurant''. Miranda has wanted Creddie to happen, and both Jennette and Nathan ''don't'' want Seddie to happen. Dan also enjoys last minute hookups. Carly didn't react negatively and it wasn't meant as an outright joke, why bring it up otherwise. |
| 481 | ** Think about it this way, they have had one Creddie episode ''in the whole series.'' They had a whole ''5 episode arc'' for Seddie, probably like one of the WMG's above suggested, due to ExecutiveMeddling. ''iKiss'', though they weren't together at the end, was very Seddieish as well. And, as you said, ''iPear Store'' killed the relationship completely. Carly and Freddie always seem to be touching each other and leaning on each other now, and Sam and Freddie didn't even do that when they were ''together''. The Seddie arc composed mainly of kissing, embracing and (probably at the end of ''iLove You'') sexual activity, but they never really connected, as ''iLove You'' showed. But still, they've never really killed Creddie at all, like they're saving it for the finale. So yeah, it's probably going to happen. |
| 482 | ** Confirmed |
| 483 | |
| 484 | [[WMG: Spencer has a thing for Mrs. Benson. She may return those feelings, and they may be [[RedStringOfFate meant to be.]]]] |
| 485 | Think about it. If Spencer was more mature, then Mrs. Benson and he would be together...and rather happy. When they interact, Mrs. Benson treats him like a child because she sees him as immature and in need of her care. Even so, she allows her son near a man who has nearly taken his own sister's head off by accident. Spencer has put up with her treating him this way even though he himself is an adult. Both Spencer and Mrs. Benson have a thing for each other, but their respective personalities prevent them from acting on it. (In Spencer's case, he knows and cares that Freddie likes Carly, and he doesn't wanna hurt him. Mrs. Benson can't imagine herself being with a man who's so childish, even if part of her wants it.) If they got together, they could level each other out...or drive each other crazy. It would still be nice. |
| 486 | * Confirmed by the ChristmasSpecial, in which Spencer grows up "normal," is a lawyer, and ends up getting married to Ms Benson. |
| 487 | ** Kinda confirmed, as it's an Alternate Universe with Spencer being normal, and not Spencer the fun loving wacky law school dropout. |
| 488 | |
| 489 | [[WMG: Carly and Nevel will hook up.]] |
| 490 | After the [[TonightSomeoneKisses iKiss]] episode, it seems obvious that Sam and Freddie will hook up, which leaves Carly open. During one of the season gaps, Nevel will [[SheIsAllGrownUp grow into a handsome teenager]], mature significantly, and stop obsessing over destroying Carly's web show. After a period of massive denial that Nevel was an ugly duckling all along, they'll hook up. It would be a great way to present the "people can change" aesop. |
| 491 | * On a show run by the guy who kept Megan as a [[MarySue Demon Sue]] CreatorsPet for its entire run? Nevel is their only recurring "villain"! That said, if either Gibby or Nevel grow up fast and "hotter," like that guy from ''Series/DrakeAndJosh'' or how Freddie changed from the pilot to the first series, and then from the first season to the second season (both Gibby's and Nevel's actors are 2 or 3 years younger than the main trio, so it might not be likely), it could easily happen. Especially if they use SlapSlapKiss to hook up Sam and Freddie. |
| 492 | ** Actually, they do have one other recurring villain, Chuck Chambers. |
| 493 | *** Chuck won't be coming back since his actor is now contracted to Disney. |
| 494 | |
| 495 | [[WMG: The creator's genre savviness regarding the show's pairings will backfire later in the show.]] |
| 496 | Think about it: How many [[ShipTease "will they, won't they" shenanigans]] will the viewers be able to take? Dan, feeling the pressure from all sides (Creddie, Cam, Seddie, Spam, etc.), will crack and attempt to pair everyone off in an attempt to satisfy ALL the shippers. This will inevitably fail and probably result in the show's cancellation thanks to plummetting ratings. Alternately: This genre savviness will be the very thing to prevent the above scenario from happening. Guess we'll have to wait and see. |
| 497 | * Dan has been doing this far too long to be influenced by the viewers. If he's going to do Creddie, it's easy enough to do without infringing on comedy. However, the huge fanbase Seddie grew into for season 2, made him decide to "postpone" it so to speak, towards the middle and end of Season 4 (which hasn't been filmed yet) and keep ship teasing both sides, it might keep being teased into Season 5, assuming 2 seasons of 20 eps, if they film for 10 months, they can easily get 40+ episodes made. |
| 498 | * He needs to plant the following seeds: 1) Carly might like Freddie back (probably in iSaved Your Life). 2) Freddie might not stay obsessed with Carly (Early Season four with him getting a few more episodic love interests). 3) Sam might have a crush on Freddie (possibly done at the end of iSpeed Date). 4) A potential 'partner' for the left over girl (Sam if they do Creddie, Carly if Seddie). Gibby is probably a realistic option for Sam, but Carly might need another guy, maybe bringing back Griffin. |
| 499 | * Cam and Spam will keep being vaguely hinted at; but it won't ever be overt, not on the basic Nick channel. Creator/TeenNick, maybe, but it's not made for that channel. |
| 500 | |
| 501 | [[WMG: [[SlapSlapKiss Seddie]] is going to be [[ShipSinking sunk]] in Season 4 with a LikeBrotherAndSister moment.]] |
| 502 | Danwarp (the WordOfGod) has been content to write them how he's always written them as a meek brother, aggressive sister vibe. The end of iKiss was a 5 minute abberation in an episode which would have been as much if not more realistic if Carly had kissed him first. Dan will never allow himself to be pinned down to a definitive answer (preferring to rebound a rhetorical question back on the asker) on the Sam/Freddie topic, and the more he does it, the more it appears to be stringing those fans along for ratings. If you look at the Danwarp blog, there is not a single blog or question answer that tells the reader about that any specific scene was meant to be evidence or development of a Sam/Freddie relationship. |
| 503 | * Confirmed, but not in a brother and sister way though... |
| 504 | |
| 505 | [[WMG: Sam secretly likes Freddie and her actions are a BatmanGambit to get them together.]] |
| 506 | Okay, so Freddie saves Carly's life and she "falls in love" with him. Freddie thinks that this is great. Sam, however, doesn't like it. To Freddie's quip of "Jealous?", she replies "Ew. Yuck."(Methink the lady doth protest too much...) In a panic, she plants a seed of doubt in Freddie's mind by saying that Carly is in love with his actions, rather than with him. (This is the gambit bit.) Sam's actions lead to Freddie ending the "relationship" with Carly before it even really starts. |
| 507 | |
| 508 | Why would Sam do this? She likes being in control of Freddie. She can dictate every aspect of their relationship. Most of the time, she's just in SlapSlapKiss mode. But, as we saw during "iKiss", there's more to that relationship than meets the eye. She's already got him wrapped around her fingers; she's just waiting for the right time to strike.... |
| 509 | * Not saying it's going to be wrong or w/e, but how does Sam have him wrapped around her finger? iKiss was a long, long time ago, and if anything, it's extremely clear that Carly, if she chose to, has him by the balls so to speak. I mean, the guy would DIE for Carly. Sam isn't close to having that kind of control over Freddie. |
| 510 | |
| 511 | [[WMG: Sam lied to the world about not kissing a boy (esp Jonah) because she wanted to kiss Freddie]] |
| 512 | * As per some FridgeLogic and FridgeBrilliance, I now present this in WMG form! |
| 513 | * I agree that Sam lied about never kissing a boy, but I doubt that it was because she actually wanted to kiss Freddie. I think she did it by way of apology, so she could really make it up to Freddie and [[PseudoRomanticFriendship therefore redeem herself in Carly's eyes.]] |
| 514 | * Conversely maybe she didn't kiss him because she was just using him as a beard to hide her attraction for who she really wants to kiss, Carly. |
| 515 | |
| 516 | [[WMG: Carly and Sam will end up together and Freddie will get together with Melanie.]] |
| 517 | * Think about it: Freddie thinks Sam is physically attractive, but also thinks she's a jerkass. Melanie has already stated that she thinks Freddie is cute. She's [[PairTheSpares the good-girl option that Freddie can hook up with after Carly and Sam finally admit their UST]]. |
| 518 | |
| 519 | [[WMG: Sam is in love with Freddie]] |
| 520 | * But she hides it because she knows her love would never be returned, and turns her sexual frustration into abuse directed towards the object of her affection. |
| 521 | |
| 522 | [[WMG: Freddie was asking Sam if she was jealous of him getting Carly's love, not if she was jealous of Carly getting his love.]] |
| 523 | The idea that Sam secretly has romantic feelings for Carly was referred to in ''iSaved Your Life'', with dialogue after Carly has left the scene. It appears ambiguous enough to sound like Freddie might mean jealous of him... but just look at the lines. Sam is talking about ''the love that Freddie gets from Carly'', which means that Freddie has directly asked Sam if she's jealous of ''the love he's getting from Carly''. Additionally, the bacon metaphor that follows could be supporting her friends to make the right decision, or trying to keep Carly and Freddie broken up so she can have one of them for herself. |
| 524 | --->'''Sam:''' Savour the love, the Carly love... |
| 525 | --->'''Freddie:''' Jealous? |
| 526 | --->'''Sam:''' Gross. |
| 527 | ** [[DontExplainTheJoke Doesn't this technically]] [[ShipSinking kill Cam?]] |
| 528 | ** Not if Sam is a repressed lesbian |
| 529 | |
| 530 | [[WMG: Carly knows Sam is in love with Freddie.]] |
| 531 | Carly realizes that Freddie loves her (how could she not?), that Sam actually is very much in love with Freddie (and hides it underneath the attitude - and left hooks), and Carly is afraid of being a third wheel, so she deliberately plays them against one another. |
| 532 | |
| 533 | [[WMG: [[MarryThemAll All three of them will hook up]].]] |
| 534 | [[ShipToShipCombat Happy]] [[DieForOurShip now?]] |
| 535 | * If I was rich, I'd re-make Series/BigLove in 10 or 15 years with the PowerTrio and Wendy. |
| 536 | |
| 537 | [[WMG: Sam hates Freddie because she's in love with Carly]] |
| 538 | And she knows that he has a much better chance of ending up with her than she does. (This could also go with the WMG about Freddie asking her if she was jealous of him being loved by Carly, not the other way around.) |
| 539 | |
| 540 | [[WMG: The Carly/Freddie/Sam LoveTriangle is a Live Action rendition/mirror of the [[Anime/MacrossFrontier Ranka/Alto/Sheryl]] Love Triangle.]] |
| 541 | I mean look at it: Carly and Sam are friends and rivals like Ranka and Sheryl, Freddie is the boy that both Carly and Sam compete on in the episode iQuit iCarly, like how Ranka and Sheryl competes for Alto in one episode, Both Carly and Ranka are GenkiGirl and GirlNextDoor type girls, both Sam and Sheryl are well endowed and sometimes berate the Male lead, Sam accidentally kissed Freddie in iOMG like how Sheryl gave Alto one, and so on. The only difference is Freddie likes Carly more than Sam, an opposite to Alto liking Sheryl more than Ranka in "The Wings of Goodbye" movie. If Freddie ends up with Carly in the end of the show, he has successfully averted Alto's choice. |
| 542 | |
| 543 | [[WMG: The entirety of iSpeed Date was orchestrated by T-Bo, because he is a Creddie shipper.]] |
| 544 | His plan was thus: |
| 545 | * 1. T-Bo conviced Rebecca Berkowitz to ask out Nate, thus preventing Carly from taking her ideal boy to the dance. |
| 546 | * 2. T-Bo recommended the 10-second workout app to Spencer, which ensured that Spencer would be too distracted to send any boys from his speed-dating table to Carly. |
| 547 | * 3. T-Bo set up Gibby and Tasha to keep Sam in a bad mood, thus preventing her from sending anyone to Carly's table either. |
| 548 | * 4. T-Bo knew that Freddie wouldn't send anyone Carly would like to her table, so all he had to do was make sure all the best boys were sent to Spencer, Sam or Freddie's table, preventing Carly from choosing anyone she liked. |
| 549 | * 5. T-Bo conspired with Austin, a fellow Creddie shipper, who agreed to annoy Carly throughout the evening, which would eventually leave her dateless. |
| 550 | * 6. T-Bo had earlier set up Jamie and Ariana (the two girls that had asked Freddie to the dance) with different boys, and sent Magic Malika (also a Creddie shipper) to ask him out instead. |
| 551 | * 7. After the dance, Austin and Malika both suggested going back to the Groovy Smoothy, at which point they secretly contacted T-Bo. He was then able to clear the shop by the time the group got there. |
| 552 | * 8. Once the two dates had left, Carly and Freddie were left alone with the music T-Bo had chosen, and it was only a matter of waiting for the Creddie to begin. |
| 553 | ** Wow. That is brilliant. And it was obviously with the way he looked proud of Freddie that he's a Creddie shipper too! |
| 554 | |
| 555 | [[/folder]] |
| 556 | |
| 557 | [[folder:Crossovers]] |
| 558 | [[WMG: iCarly is WebVideo/{{Smosh}}]] |
| 559 | Sam and Carly are the genderbendt counterparts of Anthony and Ian. |
| 560 | |
| 561 | [[WMG: Jim Parson's character in "iLost my Mind" is really another universe version of [[Series/TheBigBangTheory Sheldon Cooper]]]] |
| 562 | One where the [[RunningGag the tests he had as a kid]] tuned positive for being crazy. |
| 563 | * He might be our Sheldon, just TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture, after he lost his mind and had to be moved to a mental hospital far, far away from Cal Tech. |
| 564 | |
| 565 | [[WMG: Dingo Studios is real]] |
| 566 | And their film division is [[Creator/DingoPictures Dingo Pictures]]. Note how Dingo Studios is hated and doesn't have any original ideas. |
| 567 | |
| 568 | [[WMG: Sam is a survivor of [[Anime/{{Monster}} 511 Kinderheim]]]] |
| 569 | See the [[WMG/DrakeAndJosh WMG page for Drake & Josh.]] It makes sense, doesn't it? |
| 570 | * By extension, Carly is simply a new alias for Megan, a la Johan, and Freddie is going to have to track them down, Dr. Tenma style, after they sadistically drive his mother to insanity and suicide. |
| 571 | |
| 572 | [[WMG: The ''iCarly'' universe eventually becomes the ''Film/{{Idiocracy}}'' universe.]] |
| 573 | Most of the characters in ''iCarly'' (and in ''Series/DrakeAndJosh'') are complete idiots with inane senses of humor. As someone pointed out above, the people seem to share some sort of HiveMind - possibly explained by extreme susceptibility to peer pressure. Also, many of the web show's fans will do almost anything the show tells them to. It's not hard to imagine that after a few generations, there wouldn't be much intelligence left to go around. |
| 574 | * [[FanHaters That hurt.]] |
| 575 | |
| 576 | [[WMG: Socko is a cousin of Penny from ''Series/TheBigBangTheory'']] |
| 577 | Penny Blossom's aren't the first thing she's made. She sends Penny-Tee's to Socko, who gives them to Spencer, Carly, Freddie and Sam. |
| 578 | |
| 579 | [[WMG: Carly is an American Literature/HaruhiSuzumiya.]] |
| 580 | iChristmas shows what her life was like ''before'' she destroyed that world and created a fun, interesting world as a replacement. iChristmas was simply an appropriate time to show the differences between the 2 worlds. That 'boring Spencer' world still kept going until the events that caused Carly to destroy it. |
| 581 | * Spencer was a boring lawyer, staid, straitlaced, who spends more time at work than with her, and keeps Carly locked up inside to study most of the time. |
| 582 | * Carly has no best friend (neither Sam nor Freddie), as Spencer forbid Carly from becoming friends with Sam. Carly watches Sam grow lonely and start acting out, wishing that Spencer had let them become friends, and as such she tracked Sam's life knowing that maybe she could have helped Sam become a better person instead of a criminal. |
| 583 | * Carly decisively shut down Freddie's crush/advances. Without Sam to mock him, leaving Carly free to occasionally gently refuse him, Freddie may have simply kept persisting, and as their friendship was still relatively new, Carly snapped, breaking Freddie down in such a harsh way that he no longer even considers her a friend, and never grew to love her like he does in the 'Fun Spencer' world. As they grow past the timeline of iChristmas, Carly watches him develop into a young man, and perhaps even falls in love with him from afar. Freddie never forgives Carly, and bitterly resents being forced to become part of her family when his mother marries Spencer. |
| 584 | * Nevel still had his infatuation for Carly, he still stole a kiss, just in different circumstances. Carly agreed to become his boyfriend, because she was still reeling from losing Freddie as a friend. In the end, Carly breaks his heart as she never comes to like him back, and they break up. |
| 585 | |
| 586 | * Why did Carly create this new universe? Events still happen but the circumstances and people involved may change. Sam is in jail. Freddie wants nothing to do with her, Nevel and her had probably broken up, and Spencer would have been at work. Carly walks out into the street, doesn't see the taco truck coming. All alone, no-one is there to push her out of the way or warn her, she gets hit, and as she dies, she wishes for the world to change, not being able to accept the bleak, stark reality of her existing life and death. The change includes a brother who as an artist, can always be there for her, a friend who would fight for her and one who Carly can help, and a boy who becomes one of her best friends, falls in love with her, and would die to protect her. Nevel, and all the other random occurrences, are Carly wanting her, and her friends lives to be more interesting. |
| 587 | ** Oh my god, that actually makes a frightening amount of sense. Freddie is Kyon, then? |
| 588 | *** Yep, I'd put him as Kyon. Just a pretty normal kid, then bam, he moves to Seattle, and out of nowhere he basically falls in love with the GirlNextDoor, gains a rival, a new fatherly mentor, and ends up in this crazy world where teachers can give people detention for being "too gibby" and it's cool to interrupt a funeral to look for a pie recipe. He also arguably gives Carly the idea itself for iCarly, just like how Kyon gave Haruhi the idea to make the SOS Brigade. |
| 589 | *** Sam would be Mikuru, except instead of being {{Moe}} she's basically a huge {{Tsundere}} (So it's basically an inverted Mikuru/Hariuhi). And Carly does seem to get pretty jealous when Sam gets Freddie's attention over her. Spencer is Yuki, and again, instead of being a HumanAlien he's a crazy artist. Gibby is Koizumi. Without the gay. |
| 590 | |
| 591 | [[WMG: Spencer is a former ''WesternAnimation/KidsNextDoor operative turned teen spy who was never decommissioned.]] |
| 592 | |
| 593 | [[WMG: Gibby is in some way related to Armstrong from Manga/FullmetalAlchemist.]] |
| 594 | They share a love for taking their shirts off. For all we know, Armstrong could be Gibby's great-grandfather. |
| 595 | |
| 596 | [[WMG: A part of Freddie's camera, laptop or something on his tech cart is an [[Series/{{Warehouse13}} Artifact]].]] |
| 597 | It's the reason why the webshow gets so so many viewers, and why people think it's so funny. It releases some kind of artifact pulse wave that generates 'happiness' and/or makes anything funny. It may be related to the artifact that caused so many people to die of asphyxiation from being unable to stop laughing. It was probably made by Alan Turing if it's inside or part of the laptop, or John Logie Baird if it's something to do with the camera. |
| 598 | |
| 599 | [[WMG: Steven Shay, Spencer and Carly's father, is based on the USS Jimmy Carter and is part of US Special Operations Command.]] |
| 600 | Whilst Steven Shay has been confirmed to be in the Air Force, he is currently serving on board a submarine. There are only a handful of bases in Washington of either Air Force or Navy, and only one which has Submarines. Naval Base Kitsap, which was formed in 2004 from a merger of 2 other bases. Kitsap is the homeport for the US Navy's Ohio class Missile Submarines, an Aircraft Carrier as well as the 3 high-tech Seawolf class submarines. The USS Jimmy Carter was modified for highly classified and dangerous Special Operations missions, and is the only likely boat that Air Force personel would ever serve on. The 5/6 year absence of Steven from the Shay family also ties into the fact that the Jimmy Carter finished it's sea trials in 2004. |
| 601 | |
| 602 | Following on from this: |
| 603 | [[WMG: Steven Shay will be part of the human resistance after [[Franchise/{{Terminator}} Judgment Day]] ]]. |
| 604 | As shown on ''[[Series/TerminatorTheSarahConnorChronicles The Sarah Connor Chronicles]]'', the Jimmy Carter remains under human control. Steven Shay survives because he's on board the Jimmy Carter when it happens. |
| 605 | |
| 606 | [[WMG: Freddie has a [[Literature/{{Dexter}} Dark Passenger]].]] |
| 607 | In iSell Penny Tee's, he picks up a knife and seems to seriously contemplate hurting Sam with it. However, he calms himself down by reminding himself that bad thoughts lead to bad actions. Freddie developed his dark passenger when his [[DisappearedDad father was murdered]], and was taught the code by his mother. He surpresses his feelings against those who do not qualify for his sweet vigilante justice, and despite the daily beatings and insults from Sam, she has yet to cross the MoralEventHorizon by killing someone. It's why his mom tries to keep heavy control of him, such as in iFence. If Freddie gets too much pleasure from things like fighting or fencing, he might keep upping the ante by seeking it out more and more, and he might cross the line one day into killing an innocent. |
| 608 | |
| 609 | [[WMG: Freddie is the iCarly version of the [[ComicBook/XMen Phoenix]]]] |
| 610 | Mrs. Benson held Freddie in her womb for 11 months because she felt there is an ancient entity within her son. All her ControlFreak and MyBelovedSmother tendencies (esp. the GPS brain chip) all are a part of Marissa's plan to make this entity at bay. Her growing meanness toward Carly belies on her fear that Freddie's emotions on being rejected several times will break this latent power free. Unbeknowst to Mrs. Benson, it is Sam who is slowly wearing down Freddie with years' worth of abuse and insults. Now that Freddie begins to cross the line by holding a knife with a dark look towards Sam, one may wonder if this entity is waiting for the right time to show up and disintegrate Sam. |
| 611 | |
| 612 | [[WMG: The show will eventually reference Website/ChannelAwesome and/or have someone from it featured.]] |
| 613 | There is no denying that they are immensly popular. And they could have Doug, Lewis, Lindsay, Noah, or Joe show up at another internet convention. Or show off them in a plot episode. Or maybe even have Spencer/Ms Benson not like Carly/Freddie watching it and (s)he keeps watching anyway. |
| 614 | * Probably not (at least, not by name.) According to Dan, some of the comments on his blog had to be removed because "danwarp" shows up at the end of each episode (not to mention in some episodes) and because kids could and would end up at his blog by googling it.... While a Channel Awesome vs. iCarly would be awesome, there's no way they'll allow it. Maybe they might reference it, but without names? (Would be epic if Noah or Doug or Lewis cameoed though.) |
| 615 | * You know how much swearing and other adult content is in Website/ChannelAwesome? They couldn't outright have it in a plot, MoralGuardians would freak. |
| 616 | ** Original Poster: [[{{Expy}} A word comes to mind,]] but I can't put [[ActorAllusion my finger on it.]] But seriously, they could always have say "I'm acting!" or "I am a man!" |
| 617 | * Let's just remember that ''Film/GoodBurger'' is one of Schneider's known films (heck, he even has a role there!). And we all know what Doug did to that movie in his review. |
| 618 | |
| 619 | [[WMG: iCarly is an American teen comedy reimagining of Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion]] |
| 620 | Pick any character from iCarly, and you're sure to find grief, suffering and alienation [[BeneathTheMask under the pretense]] of light-hearted comedy. Just take a look at how Sam treats Freddie. What could pass as typical slapstick sociopathy is actually full-fledged physical and emotional abuse, with a [[SurrealHorror sardonic laugh track]] mocking the character in question. Or, to point out something less central, the iCook episode where master cook Ricky Flame ruthlessly wrestles little kids and happily gloats over their defeat to deaden the pain over his loss in Food Fight. It's like Eversion, where you can see threads of sheer horror shining through the false happiness of mundane reality. |
| 621 | That much for setting the mood. Now keep in mind that none of the iCarly kids live or interact with their parents on a standard basis. Sam!Asuka barely gets along with her mother (and we haven't met her father, so far), Freddie! Rei/Shinji has to put up with his overprotective mother, and Carly! Shinji/Rei has to deal with having an absent father, while we've never heard anything about her mother (Spencer got over the teenage wangst, since he's the Misato here). |
| 622 | We should thus expect a downer ending, which will force certain groups of shippers (Cam or Seddie, depending on who the Shinji is) committing suicide after hearing Sam [[GainaxEnding express her disgust]]. |
| 623 | |
| 624 | [[WMG: Spencer and Carly's parents are [[Series/DrakeAndJosh Drake and Megan's]] parents.]] |
| 625 | Think about it. Spencer and Carly have a dad, Steven Shay, but a MissingMom. Drake and Megan have a mom, Audrey Parker-Nichols, but a DisappearedDad. See any similarities? Steven and Audrey could have been married sometime before both of the two series', and had Spencer, Drake, and Carly and Megan as twins (in that order). When they divorced for whatever reason, Steven could have gotten custody of Spencer and Carly, while Audrey got custody of Drake and Megan, making Carly and Megan twins who were SeparatedAtBirth. Since Carly would be too young to remember all of this (along with Megan and/or Drake), Carly has two siblings that she doesn't even know about, along with a step-sibling (Josh). |
| 626 | * You just blew my mind. |
| 627 | * That could make Crazy Steve and Spencer twins also. Both have ManChild mentalities. Crazy Steve could also be the one who is REALLY separated at birth and considering him being "extra polite" at Audrey on ''The Storm''. Which makes her unaware that Steve is potentially her son... |
| 628 | * I think I can elaborate, Steven and Audrey Shay had vastly different parenting styles. Steven implemented his [[DrillSergeantNasty miltary training]] to raise Spencer and Drake, horrifying the overly-lenient Audrey to the point that when she got pregnant with girls, she knew to protect them from a miserable existence, she had to divorce him. After a heated arguement a few years later, Steven agreed along these terms, they would each get one boy and one girl, and meet back every other year to compare results. Spencer, then a bookworm determined to be a lawyer to [[WellDoneSonGuy impress his father]] opted to stay with Steven, automatically giving Drake to Audrey. They decided that Carly, the more disciplined twin, even at three, would work better with Steven, So Audrey, with Drake and Megan in tow, moved to California. The sudden lack of disipline causes Drake and Megan to act out, becoming the children they are today. At the first of the biennial meetings, Steven is proven right and Audrey agrees to be a bit more strict, turning her in to the Audrey Parker of ''Series/DrakeAndJosh''. Drake evens out, but Megan, missing the days of leniency, goes underground with her unadulterated assult of pranks toward Drake. Catching on to this at the next meeting, Audrey asked Steven for a solution, and what Steven suggested was so harsh it triggered a fight so explosive it not only put an end to all further meetings, it gave Carly her last athsma attack, traumatized by [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone nearly losing his daughter]], Steven renounces his strict ways and becomes the beloved dad held fondly in Carly's memories. Carly lost memory of Audrey,Drake, Megan and her father's stricter persona after her attack, but Spencer remembers, which is why he never told Steven about his dropping out of law school. No one ever speaks of Audrey fearing either Stephen relapsing into DrillSergeantNasty or Carly's memories of her dad before shattering her image of him, driving her over the edge. They've seen her develop claustrophobia after 3 hours in a space pod, imagine Daddy's little girl remembering how mean daddy was |
| 629 | |
| 630 | |
| 631 | [[WMG: Steven cheating with Carly is the manipulations of [[WebVideo/YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries Marik]]]] |
| 632 | Probably a viewer of the show, wanted to do it ForTheEvulz |
| 633 | * This would also explain why Steven the Shay father is also away. He is being used as a footsoldier. |
| 634 | |
| 635 | [[WMG: Sam is somehow related to [[Series/{{Firefly}} Jayne Cobb]]]] |
| 636 | Both... |
| 637 | * are [[BoisterousBruiser boisterous bruisers]]. |
| 638 | * are BookDumb |
| 639 | * are the DumbMuscle of the group, while showing hits of [[ObfuscatingStupidity being smarter than they appear]]. |
| 640 | * are the TokenEvilTeamate |
| 641 | * have [[GenderBlenderName gender blender names]] |
| 642 | |
| 643 | [[WMG: iCarly is an American teen comedy reimagining of ''Anime/MacrossFrontier''.]] |
| 644 | No seriously. In fact some characters are expies of some characters: Carly as Ranka, Freddie as Alto, Sam as Sheryl, Spencer is Ozma and Michel combined and Gibby as Luca. Also, the show had a YMMV of HilariousInHindsight (For Seddie shippers) or HarsherInHindsight (For Creddie shippers) in the form of the infamous part in the recent "The Wings of Goodbye" movie that Alto picked Sheryl than Ranka. Months after the movie aired, Sam and Freddie are a couple in recent episodes. The show indeed had some borrowed aspects from the anime right down to the character specifications: |
| 645 | * Both Carly and Ranka are [[GirlNextDoor Girls Next Door]] who loved the lead male but got rejected. |
| 646 | * Both Freddie and Alto are the lead {{Bishonen}} who end up with the opposite busty girl. |
| 647 | * Both Sam and Sheryl are big breasted girls who end up with the lead male despite both of them berating the lead male in the past. |
| 648 | Recently, this have been switched: Seddie is gone, but AruShe still is, at least in the movieverse. |
| 649 | |
| 650 | [[WMG: Stacy from Series/{{Zoey101}} is actually Carly's sister.]] |
| 651 | Perhaps Carly's [[DisappearedDad Disappeared Mom]] didn't die - the Shays just got divorced, and it was very painful for all concerned (more for Carly, Spencer and the dad) so they simply don't mention her, even to one another. Mrs. Shay moved to California, remarried, and had Stacy right away (or even worse, was having an affair and got pregnant with Stacey, leading to the divorce - another reason Mrs. Shay is never mentioned). Eventually, Stacey learned who her sister and brother were - probably through her love of the ''iCarly'' webcast, and her mother eventually letting something slip. That would explain not only Stacy's obsession with the show, but why she either traveled all the way to Seattle just to audition for the ''unpaid intern's position'' on the show, or why she moved to Seattle in the first place (if she didn't make a special trip up to interview). She's desperate to know her family - her other family, Spencer (who's actually just as wacky as she is, but with a bit of maturity through age), and her insanely cool sister Carly. |
| 652 | * Take pictures of Miranda Cosgrove and Abby Wilde, and put them side-by-side. Abby's only a half-inch taller, and they have very similar facial features... ''close enough that one could easily assume that they were related.'' |
| 653 | * In her entry on the ''iCarly'' Wiki, it's mentions that Stacy likes making video clips of herself and placing them online - and if you go by the Series/Nickverse timeline, was doing it '''before''' the first broadcast of ''iCarly''. Also, Stacy loves playing the ukelele (and guess who else was established as playing that instrument), not to mention that she, like Spencer, is an artist infatuated with sculpting and making objects out of unusual materials? |
| 654 | * Alternately, the divorce was so bad that the Shays simply regard her in a, "She may as well be dead" sort of manner. When Carly meets Stacey, her half sister of whom she is well aware, she turns her down immediately in order to keep her mother out of her life. |
| 655 | ** Another way of looking at that would be that the divorce happened when Carly was just a baby and Stacy was a toddler; because the divorce was so bad and Spencer would have no reason to suspect (not to mention that [[GenreBlind he's not always the first one to notice the obvious]] that Stacy is his other little sister. Stacy being taken away would also explain why he agreed in the first place to become Carly's guardian in the first place, actually watches over her so carefully, and treats her the way he sometimes does: [[PapaWolf because nobody's taking his other sister away]], if he's actually able to take care of her. |
| 656 | |
| 657 | [[WMG: Carly and Spencer are BizarroUniverse versions of [[WesternAnimation/AvatartheLastAirbender Azula and Zuko]].]] |
| 658 | * They both can firebend, but don't have much active control of it, causing Spencer's lighting everything on fire. |
| 659 | * While Azula is coldhearted and manipulative, Carly is kind and warm, and while Zuko was always [[ComicallySerious serious]], Spencer is a goofball. |
| 660 | |
| 661 | [[/folder]] |
| 662 | |
| 663 | [[folder:The mass Schneiderverse cross-over guess.]] |
| 664 | [[WMG: The show that Carly and Spencer were watching in "iGet Pranky" was not ''Series/DrakeAndJosh'', it was ''"[[ShowWithinAShow Drew and Jerry]]"''.]] |
| 665 | In ''Drake & Josh'', "Drew and Jerry" was shown to be a type 4 ShowWithinAShow. The show that Carly and Spencer were watching in "iGet Pranky" could have been "Drew and Jerry" not Drake & Josh. That way, both shows could exist in its own happy little universe (along with Series/{{Zoey101}} and Series/{{Victorious}}) without any contradictions. |
| 666 | * Which would be an aversion or subversion of CelebrityParadox, because the celebrity (Drake Bell), would exist in the same world as Drake Parker. I'm sure someone would've pointed out to Drake and Josh that they looked just like ThoseTwoGuys from Nickelodeon. Wouldn't that also mean, for example, that there are: |
| 667 | ** Four that look like Miranda: [[Series/DrakeAndJosh Megan]], [[Series/{{Zoey101}} Paige]], [[Series/ICarly Carly]] and herself. |
| 668 | ** Four of Jennette: [[Series/{{Zoey101}} Trisha]], [[Series/ICarly Sam, Melanie]] and herself. |
| 669 | ** Three of Nathan: [[Series/DrakeAndJosh Toplin]], [[Series/ICarly Freddie]] and himself. |
| 670 | ** Four girls who look like Victoria: [[Series/{{Zoey101}} Lola]], [[Series/ICarly Shelby]], [[Series/{{Victorious}} Tori]] and herself. |
| 671 | *** Might as well note that Victoria Justice has appeared on iCarly alone as Tori, Shelby, and herself(in webisode on iCarly.com, and it's not as Tori, they specify "Victoria Justice"). So if the video shorts on iCarly.com are canon, this is essentially confirmed for all of them but Lola |
| 672 | ** Four of Daniella: [[Series/{{Zoey101}} Rebecca]], [[Series/ICarly the popular girl Nora kissed]], [[Series/{{Victorious}} Trina]] and herself. |
| 673 | *** If any of the above 4 shows cross over with True Jackson VP we'll end up with five Jennette's, five Victoria Justice's, four Nathan's, four of Yvette Nicole Brown and god knows how many minor background characters. |
| 674 | * [[ActingForTwo Holy Crap]]. Maybe there is no Nickelodeon in their universe? |
| 675 | ** They have Dingo instead of Disney.. Nick would probably turn into Nickyradian or something. |
| 676 | *** Since Creator/MirandaCosgrove appeared as herself on an episode of ''Series/BigTimeRush'', this also brings that show under the banner of the Drew And Jerry version of the universe. This doesn't really effect the amount of 'copies', but it does mean there are 3 versions of Erin Saunders, herself, Quinn and Camille. |
| 677 | *** Creator/MirandaCosgrove also appeared as herself on an episode of Series/TheNakedBrothersBand, which means ''that'' show crosses over as well. This doesn't change any of the amount of people or copies who exist (because it's 'real life' and people show up as 'real people' for the most part, although that means a few people exist as their character but not their actor because some people were characters whilst others were 'real people'), although it does mean that Polly Draper is dead in that universe and alive in ours. |
| 678 | |
| 679 | [[WMG: Possible Explanations to All the Series/NickVerse Paradoxes]] |
| 680 | Okay so I'm going with the Steven & Audrey theory, which I love. iCarly, Victorious, and Drake & Josh are in the same universe. [[Series/ICarly Steven]] & [[Series/DrakeAndJosh Audrey]] got married, had [[Series/ICarly Spencer]], [[Series/DrakeAndJosh Drake]] and the twins [[Series/ICarly Carly]] & [[Series/DrakeAndJosh Megan]], and then split up and split the kids between them. Why they chose to do so even though Steven was in the army meaning that Spencer and Carly will be left alone, is beyond me. I'm also going with the "[[Series/DrakeAndJosh Crazy Steve]] is [[Series/{{Victorious}} Cat's]] brother" theory, because I like it and it calms me down. Now, when Carly was watching Drake & Josh she was actually watching [[Series/DrakeAndJosh Jerry & Drew ]], and she just saw the Jerry & Drew version of Megan. Same goes for Spencer. |
| 681 | |
| 682 | ''Series/SamAndCat'' obviously has to be in the same universe, which is kind of a problem. There was a clear mention of Drake & Josh there (or was it on Victorious?). Assuming it was on Sam & Cat, the only possible explanation is that the Sam & Cat world is crazy. Come on, they let SAM and CAT live alone and babysit. If it was on Victorious, there was a proof that it shares universe with Drake & Josh – Helen was there. So, that probably means that Cat is a FourthWallObserver. Hey, that makes a lot of sense. Another option is that it's RuleofFunny. |
| 683 | About the similarities – Spencer might just look like [[Series/DrakeAndJosh Crazy Steve]]. It's sort of proven that exact doppelgangers exist in the TV world, and there is also the [[Series/ICarly Shelby Marks ]] and [[Series/{{Victorious}} Tori]] thing, and they were on [[Series/ICarly the same show]]. |
| 684 | |
| 685 | About ''Series/{{Zoey 101}}'' – there were some major paradoxes there. The visible evidences are: a. Lola and Quinn were watching iCarly, the web show. That could either mean they live in the same universe, or they live in a universe where iCarly is a TV show, i.e. our universe or some other one; b. There was a full episode about Zoey trying to get Drake Bell to perform. Drake Bell, not [[Series/DrakeAndJosh Drake Parker]]. Ergo, the Zoey 101 universe is our universe, or another universe where Drake Bell exists; c. Music/VictoriaJustice, Creator/MirandaCosgrove,Creator/JennetteMcCurdy and Creator/DaniellaMonet has all played characters there that are not Tori/Shelby, Carly, Sam and Trina. Therefore, again, not the same universe. What conflicts all of it is the fact that [[Series/{{Zoey101}} Stacy Dilson]] seems to be a character on iCarly. She was obviously there once, and if you notice you will see her name and other mentions of her (like in iPity Nevel). So, the solution for the characters could be, again, the doppelganger thing. About Drake… I really don’t know. You are welcome to help me with it. |
| 686 | |
| 687 | Now, about Sam & Cat. I think it's pretty obvious that their universe is closer to ours, because there have been a lot of mentions of stuff and people that exits in our world as well (though Ke$ha does exist in the Victorious universe, and Series/{{Friends}} exists in both iCarly and Sam & Cat). My personal theory is that [[Creator/DanSchneider Schneider]] has reached the point where it just doesn’t matter anymore. I think that Sam & Cat is a regular TV show, but it's also half a parody. I don’t think they expect us to take what happens there too seriously, it's just that point where Schneider can allow himself to make fun of his own shows. Sorry about the length, by the way. |
| 688 | |
| 689 | - On the Drake Parker / Drake Bell situation, maybe Bell is just a stage name Drake uses. A lot of performers have them these days. Another option is that if Drake and Josh is a reality show then Parker could be a fake last name given to protect Drakes real identity |
| 690 | [[/folder]] |
| 691 | |
| 692 | [[folder:iStart A Fan War]] |
| 693 | [[WMG: iStart a Fan War will end in Cam]] |
| 694 | Or at least nothing happens with Creddie or Seddie, but Carly and Sam act close to each other the entire episode as always. |
| 695 | * {{Jossed}} |
| 696 | |
| 697 | [[WMG: iStart a Fan War will end in Creddie]] |
| 698 | It's been the main, if not only, ongoing story arc throughout the show (Can anyone think of another except maybe Nevel?). Started in Season 1, with Freddie's blatant crush. It had a brief lull in Season 2 after iKiss, but came back again late on with Freddie still liking Carly, and Carly seeming to become somewhat jealous. Season 3 had the obviously shippy episodes iSpeed Date and iSaved Your Life, and included a few moments in the rest of the season that seemed to show Carly wanting to get closer. Despite the vocal 'popularity' of Seddie, and the subversive Cam elements, neither would be a realistic way for the episode to turn based on the way the show itself has gone, and the way it's been building towards Creddie since the first episode. |
| 699 | * Seconded. |
| 700 | ** {{Jossed}} |
| 701 | |
| 702 | [[WMG: The question of what pairing is going to happen will be resolved, but the pairing itself won't happen in iStart A Fan War.]] |
| 703 | Ie, something like an UnrequitedLoveSwitcheroo, or Carly admitting to Sam she likes Freddie, but not being able to tell him. |
| 704 | * {{Jossed}}. |
| 705 | |
| 706 | [[WMG: The title of ''iStart a Fan War'' refers to the meta effect it will cause.]] |
| 707 | The episode will be filled to the brim with hints of both Seddie and Creddie. Near the end, both Carly and Sam will admit to having had TRU LUV for Freddie all along, and the episode ends with Freddie looking between the girls while "TO BE CONTINUED" flashes up in big red letters. Schneider and Co will then sit back with a couple of beers and watch the shipping gladiators duke it out. The next episode will air two months later, showing no continuity with the events of ''iStart a Fan War'' whatsoever. The same thing will apply to all subsequent episodes, save for a single offhand remark by Freddie about how he was once forced to choose between two girls. |
| 708 | * Arguably true for the title, except now everyone hates Dan, but {{Jossed}} for the detail. |
| 709 | |
| 710 | [[WMG: iStart A Fan War will be an AllLoveIsUnrequited reveal.]] |
| 711 | Carly likes Adam, Adam likes Sam, Sam likes Freddie, Freddie likes Carly. |
| 712 | * {{Jossed}}. |
| 713 | |
| 714 | [[WMG: The twist in iSAFW is that Melanie is the one who likes Freddie.]] |
| 715 | The in-correct use of Melanie in one of the promo's isn't a mistake, but in fact some kind of foreshadowing. Melanie turns up to Webicon, and tells Freddie that she's liked him since she came to visit. They may or may not make out. |
| 716 | * {{Jossed}}. |
| 717 | |
| 718 | [[WMG: The twist in iSAFW is that Carly will tell Adam that Sam and Freddie are dating.]] |
| 719 | It's right out of a fanfic, but Adam seems really concerned and jealous about their relationship, and Carly might blurt something out in the heat of the moment. |
| 720 | * {{Jossed}}. |
| 721 | |
| 722 | [[WMG: The twist in iSAFW is that Adam is secretly a super-seddie fan, and once he gets Carly, will try to suggest to Freddie that he go out with Sam.]] |
| 723 | This ep is insulting the fans, might as well take it as far as they logically can, and have the main characters get screwed over by one of them. |
| 724 | * {{Jossed}}. |
| 725 | |
| 726 | [[WMG: The twist in iSAFW is that Spam will be canonised and Seddie will be sunk.]] |
| 727 | Come on, Sam is clearly showing interest in Spencer throughout the most recent episodes (''iGetPranky,''''iDo'') more than anything she has ever shown in Freddie, and Spencer is starting to become aware of it. This also ties in with the post above about Adam being a secret super seddie fan, and he says as much to Sam, who denies it, as her actions in most recent episodes show interest in ''Spencer'', not Freddie, and she would probably be nonchalantly indifferent if someone told her that they are a fan of her and Freddie together. Not to mention that Sam is apparently a [[ShipperOnDeck Creddie shipper]] herself, given her actions causing the BrokenBase mentioned on the main page to flare up. |
| 728 | * {{Jossed}}. |
| 729 | |
| 730 | [[WMG: The twist in iSAFW will be a not-so-subtle Cam]] |
| 731 | At least subtly, maybe a touchy-touchy PseudoRomanticFriendship DoubleEntendre moment. |
| 732 | * {{Jossed}}. |
| 733 | ** It still had Cam (and no ship sinking) though, so I was half right. |
| 734 | |
| 735 | [[WMG: iStart a Fan War will end with neither pairing]] |
| 736 | And no new pairings, either. Just a ShaggyDogStory. C'mon, it's pretty much a given. |
| 737 | * Yep, it'll be another trolling event. Hell, you know what? end it with Cam becoming fully canon. It'd be perfect timing amongst all this anti-homosexual stuff that's been getting the spotlight lately. No reason to shelter younger kids from it. It's not "adult". Kids should know that some girls "like-like" other girls and some guys "like-like" other guys. Plus, come on, WBC getting mad at iCarly would be hilarious. |
| 738 | ** I don't care how asleep the radars have been so far, the MoralGuardians will never allow that. |
| 739 | *** Dan is the best at being extra subtle. Plus, ''WesternAnimation/CourageTheCowardlyDog'' and ''VideoGame/HarvestMoon'' got away with it (albeit they left out the marriage in the west). |
| 740 | *** VideoGame/HarvestMoon was in Japan, which is much more lenient about that kind of thing. The point is, it can't exactly be explicit. |
| 741 | *** ''WesternAnimation/CourageTheCowardlyDog'' was an animated show in the 90's! The radar was practically non-existent for animation back then. |
| 742 | ** Proved correct. Episode ends with a blatant AuthorTract (or AuthorFilibuster, I'm not sure which one) against {{Shipping}}. |
| 743 | [[/folder]] |
| 744 | |
| 745 | [[folder:Episode specific, or Future episode guesses.]] |
| 746 | |
| 747 | [[WMG: The [[spoiler: second]] safe from ''iQ'' contained...]] |
| 748 | [[spoiler: ...an even smaller safe. Just to mess with Spencer.]] |
| 749 | |
| 750 | [[WMG: The 'twist' in ''iPear Store'' is that Carly likes Freddie.]] |
| 751 | So 'iPear Store'' apparently has a twist that involves Carly's character. Her plot is said to be about a sweet nerdy guy who is clueless to her advances. In the last couple of episodes the plot seed that Freddie has his crush on Carly again was planted, this might be the fruition. Who is sweet and nerdy? Freddie. |
| 752 | ** Jossed, it's actually another geeky guy named Trey, he flirts with Carly, who is initially reluctant, but later she invites him over to her apartment, but then when he tries to kiss her, she gets freaked out by the sudden change and Spencer throw him out. |
| 753 | |
| 754 | [[WMG: The 'twist' in ''iPear Store'' is that the nerdy guy Carly likes is actually gay.]] |
| 755 | Carly is usually pretty straight-forward when she likes a guy, so this guy might not realize that she's hitting on him. |
| 756 | |
| 757 | [[WMG: The two stupid interns from iHire An Idiot will hook up at the end.]] |
| 758 | * Yeah.. that's it. |
| 759 | ** {{Jossed}} |
| 760 | |
| 761 | [[WMG: The titular pop star in the ''iFix a Popstar'' episode will be Music/LadyGaga]] |
| 762 | * Okay, probably not, but how ''awesome'' would that be? |
| 763 | ** {{Jossed}}. The pop star was Ginger Fox, a [[NoCelebritiesWereHarmed Britney Spears expy]]. |
| 764 | |
| 765 | [[WMG: The invitation to go into Space in ''iSpace Out'' will be fake.]] |
| 766 | * The tests (including having to spend x amount of hours locked up together), are part of a Hidden Camera or Reality TV show. |
| 767 | ** {{Jossed}} |
| 768 | |
| 769 | [[WMG: ''iBelieve In Bigfoot'' will have Carly+ Freddie and Sam+ Spencer each sharing a tent.]] |
| 770 | * Spencer will want Sam with him to protect him if Bigfoot attacks them. |
| 771 | ** Not likely. They have to at least ''pretend'' this is a kids show. But of course this will just make the Cam and Speddie (or is it Fencer?) shippers go wild. |
| 772 | *** Fencer. |
| 773 | *** {{Jossed}} No tents were used. But I think the episode as a whole had a very Creddie/Spam vibe to it. |
| 774 | |
| 775 | [[WMG: There will be a DownerEnding.]] |
| 776 | We will find out that Carly and Spencer's parents were dead to begin with. Sam and Freddie will hook up, if they haven't already by then, and that will be the most positive thing in the episode. We'll find out that Sam has an absolutely crappy home life a la above, and that's why she spends so much time with Carly. This will cause Social Services to come and make her move away, and for some reason she won't be able to contact Carly and Freddie. They will then have to cancel [=iCarly=]. At the very end, there will be a ParentalBonus LampshadeHanging about how {{SitCom}}s [[{{Series/Dinosaurs}} tend]] [[Series/{{ALF}} to]] [[Series/{{Roseanne}} have]] {{DownerEnding}}s |
| 777 | * Then it turns out to be AllJustADream (even a DreamWithinADream), because StatusQuoIsGod? |
| 778 | ** Not necessarily. Even if StatusQuoIsGod is a mainstay of a series, things can change permanently for a known GrandFinale. When the SitCom is over, the situation that created the comedy can go away. |
| 779 | |
| 780 | [[WMG: Dan has been just testing the waters]] |
| 781 | * iPsycho was his peak, full of lesbian and bisexual subtext. They're going to do something big and controversial in a future episode. |
| 782 | ** [[GodHelpUsAll May god have mercy on us all!]] |
| 783 | *** Thinking about it a bit more, I think if something like that is going to happen, it'll happen in Series/{{Victorious}}. |
| 784 | ** With all this Carly/Sam subtext? Pff. |
| 785 | ** There's not a doubt in my mind there will be straight-up mentioning of a character being gay or lesbian. It shouldn't be so taboo anyway. People seem to act like homosexuality is something inappropriate that younger kids shouldn't know about. Carly/Sam is already extremely ambiguous, and to a lesser extent, Cat/Jade in Victorious. |
| 786 | *** There's Cat's uncles in ''Series/{{Victorious}}'', but that was only mentioned once in passing. I wouldn't be surprised if Cat turns out to be bisexual in a later episode, though. |
| 787 | *** To be fair, the "Petographers" in iMove Out seem to be a bit more than just HeterosexualLifePartners! |
| 788 | ** ''Nevel'' is the one who'll come out. Have you ''seen'' his actor OOC!?! |
| 789 | |
| 790 | [[WMG: iCarly will end with its final episode being "iGraduate".]] |
| 791 | Carly, Sam, Freddie, and maybe Gibby should be in their junior year in season 4. Season 5 is totally inevitable, and would be the show's final season, with the quartette as seniors, and then a 1-hour "movie", or an actual TV movie like iGo To Japan, about their graduation, perhaps with a DownerEnding where Carly chooses to shut down iCarly so she can go to college. Then have a "flash forward" where she ended up as an AuthorAvatar of Dan Schneider where she has created extremely successful TV shows along with Sam, who could for all we know end up being her wife, and Freddie, who would help with tech stuff. And Gibby would end up being that universe's Arnold Schwarzanegger, and he's now an extremely muscular action movie star who then shows up on Carly's show to work for her, and it shows it just like the old times. |
| 792 | ** In Fact, Arnold could play an adult Gibby, which would be hilarious. |
| 793 | |
| 794 | Some what {{Jossed}} although it was recently confirmed that season 5 will be shooting at some point in the near future, Cosgrove stated in an interview that she'll 'keep making Icarly as long as people want to watch it' suggesting that the show will run past season 5. That doesn't discount the above theory but it does change when the final episode will happen. |
| 795 | |
| 796 | [[WMG: The episode ''[=iHave=] My Principals'' is a metaphor for the Soviet Union.]] |
| 797 | Think about it. Principal Franklin (the Tsar) has a great life and has lots of fun running the school (Russia) while the teachers (the proletariat) suffer under Sam (Capitalism, the class system). Eventually, Briggs [note that her hair is '''RED'''] and Howard (Lenin and Stalin) decide they have had enough of this and after Franklin has way too much fun on the [=iCarly=] webshow, have a revolution against Franklin, who leaves the school after being fired by the superintendent (the Bolsheviks). Briggs and Franklin seize control of the school, making everyone exactly the same, wearing the same clothes and having to obey what the principals say (Communism). Anyone who says they don't like the new regime is taken away and given 'detention'. UsefulNotes/WorldWarII and the UsefulNotes/ColdWar are merged into one in scenes of people wanting Franklin back, only Franklin now represents capitalism. A chaotic sequence emerges in which Briggs and Howard can't handle the children holding a small party in the middle of the hall. The Superintendent is placed on a bucking bull (America) and thrown off (the collapse of Communism) and the chaos continues (the destruction of the Berlin Wall). Briggs and Howard leave power (Briggs would have been killed off à la Lenin but they needed to keep her character) and finally, Franklin is reinstated (now taking the symbol of Capitalism). However, Briggs and Howard stay at the school, illustrating how Communism could one day make a comeback... |
| 798 | * I see it more as a parody/shout-out to 1984 and Big Brother. |
| 799 | |
| 800 | [[WMG: Steven Shay's appearance will mark the end of iCarly]] |
| 801 | There's a reason Carly and Spencer's dad is referenced but never shown. His only appearance on the show will be at the iCarly finale. He'll appear unexpectedly at the apartment and will either (A) want to take Carly to live with him or (B) give her good reason to attend a college off-state. Either way, the webshow will be forced to end. The final scene will include Sam and Freddie barely making it at the airport and saying their farewells to Carly. |
| 802 | ** {{Jossed}} |
| 803 | ** Maybe, according to press releases iMeet The First Lady has the iCarly crew trying to illegally get in touch with their dad Steven Shay, which prompts Michelle Obama to visit them personally and tell them that whilst they meant well it wasnt the responsible thing to do, then promote a charity she's involved with (in the real world). Dan Also gave a pretty major hint on his blog that we might get to meet Mr Shay ''ALSO… guess WHO ELSE makes a little cameo appearance in iMeet The First Lady. Can you guess? Hint: It's the FIRST time it's ever happened on iCarly. ;)'' |
| 804 | |
| 805 | [[WMG: Caleb from "iLost My Mind" is a [[Series/TheBigBangTheory super-valium-induced-high Sheldon]]]] |
| 806 | We've seen [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQdpZV1yRhw Sheldon on valium]] before. And it would make perfect sense that Sheldon and Caleb [[ActorAllusion are played by Jim Parsons]]. And... maybe the guys took a road trip to Seattle, and to keep Sheldon calm, they gave him valium, and when they got Seattle, Sheldon wondered off. Then, he stumbled across the mental institution, and hearing him ramble about being from the future, they took him in. And the reason it lasted longer there is because the aids decided to keep him controlled by giving him more. |
| 807 | |
| 808 | [[WMG: There will be an episode about internet safety, and it will involve one of the characters being seriously injured/kidnapped, or coming close to either.]] |
| 809 | Three teens hosting a webshow that gets hundreds of thousands of views, they make absolutely no attempt to hide where they live to the point where people can come straight to their studio to ask for a service (pet photography buisness), and they invite people over to the studio/apartment with no thought given towards danger (Mandy, and sort of Freddie's girlfriend who was using him). They bring people close to them on the show (including two school workers), openly annoucne that their father's in the military, and (I'm not sure on this one) throw each other's names around carelessly, all of which is information that can be used to track them. They're just ''asking'' to be dragged off by a lunatic! |
| 810 | |
| 811 | [[WMG:iChristmas is not canon]] |
| 812 | |
| 813 | [[WMG:Cort from iHire an Idiot was ''also'' just pretending to be stupid]] |
| 814 | [[/folder]] |
| 815 | |
| 816 | [[folder:General, Webshow or WMG's about the iCarly universe]] |
| 817 | |
| 818 | [[WMG: The entire iCarly webcast is a front...]] |
| 819 | A front in association with Chris Hansen and various 'To catch a predator' cop groups. The iCarly girls [[DawsonCasting are 25,]] hired because they look so much younger. This explains the severe lack of adult supervision. |
| 820 | * Remember, even if there are no more {{Dateline}} "To Catch a Predator" shows (the odds do seem to have gone down now that Jay Leno is about to hit primetime), the anti-predator sting operations the cops are running will ''still'' be running. |
| 821 | |
| 822 | [[WMG: There is a private area of the in-universe iCarly website...]] |
| 823 | Which only Carly, Spencer and their dad have access to (possibly Freddie as well if it's a technical necessity) for private family conversations. Everyone agrees that Sam knowing about it would be a bad idea. |
| 824 | * And it's hidden under the iSongs portion of the website; that's why Spencer is so upset when Freddie spills a smoothie on the server and breaks it. (Seen on the real-world iCarly website.) |
| 825 | |
| 826 | [[WMG: All of the generic characters are a HiveMind]] |
| 827 | Groupthink is prominent in almost every Creator/{{Nickelodeon}} tween {{sitcom}}, but it's disgusting here. When they promote faulty shoes, EVERYONE threatens to stop watching their show. When Freddie pisses off Fred, EVERYBODY hates him for it. |
| 828 | * Perhaps the worst example to date is when it is broadcast that Freddie has never kissed a girl. EVERYONE - boy, girl, and ''third grader'' - is ready to insult him the second he shows his face. It's just incredible how they can make such unanimous decisions on stuff like this. |
| 829 | |
| 830 | [[WMG: Briarwood was a HiveMind in disguise, and the reason Carly didn't go there was because she'd be assimilated.]] |
| 831 | |
| 832 | Continuing on from the above theory, but with a different school this time. Watch the episode where Carly gets a Briarwood scholarship. Specifically, her dream where she goes there. It's even worse there than at Carly's school, because it's so bad that everyone speaks in ''sync'', has a CreepyMonotone, and blank expressions. There is ''no way'' those are normal kids. |
| 833 | * And that's why Carly didn't go there. If she went there, she would've lost her individuality and joined the HiveMind. |
| 834 | * You guys realize that was a ''dream'', right? |
| 835 | |
| 836 | [[WMG: Dan really is playing up the [[LesYay Cam]]]] |
| 837 | ''iGet Pranky'' made me notice this. He canonically has Sam liking Carly, but knows it is not possible to say outright unless he blogs it after the finale, so he's pushing Nick's limits. |
| 838 | |
| 839 | [[WMG: An explicit Cam reference will be stated soon]] |
| 840 | All the build up, and Series/{{Victorious}} got away with an explicit gay reference. iCarly referenced to ephebophile reference just recently, which is equally controversial as anything lesbian (if not more). |
| 841 | |
| 842 | [[WMG:Ridgeway's MiddleSchool feeds into other {{High School}}s besides itself.]] |
| 843 | This would take a somewhat unusual educational arrangement and make it ''very highly'' unusual, but it is the [[OccamsRazor simplest explanation]] for there being ''so much'' ChuckCunninghamSyndrome between the first season or so and the later episodes. |
| 844 | |
| 845 | [[WMG: The show will eventually reference a meme.]] |
| 846 | The internet references in iSAFW were increasingly more accurate, with 'pwn' and 'FTW' and seems to have abandoned the TotallyRadical 'LOL' and 'OMG' of earlier days. If it continues to get better, this is obviously the next step. |
| 847 | * Gibby did turn the stink up to eleven in [=iOMG=] |
| 848 | * Going along with this, the in universe iCarly webshow will eventually get its own page on the in universe [=TVTropes=], a whole episode will be devoted to one character (probably Spencer) getting addicted to [=TVTropes=]. The episode will be called iBecome a Troper. Subsequent episodes will feature lots of ConversationalTroping and eventually the main cast will become GenreSavvy enough to realize that they're in a KidCom, break TheFourthWall, and end the series. This will all happen over the course of one or two seasons though, so it'll be gradual enough that the audience won't notice until the last episode. |
| 849 | |
| 850 | [[WMG: The computer screen seen at the beginning of the intro is from a [[Series/{{Victorious}} Hollywood Arts]] student]] |
| 851 | |
| 852 | One of the pages that shows up in the toolbar is [=TheSlap=], Hollywood Arts' social networking site. We also know that this student is a [[BigEater foodie]] since the website that's loaded onto the screen before switching to [=iCarly.com=] is the Hungry Girl website (an [[RealLife actual]] food blog run by Dan Schneider's wife). |
| 853 | |
| 854 | [[WMG: Briarwood was nothing like Carly's dream]] |
| 855 | It's one of those uptight snobbish schools. She never would've fit in or had any fun. And the schoolwork is mega-complicated. In fact, no one even really passes. The boys just pay off the teachers, and the girls, well...do we have a trope for 'sleeping with your teachers to get your grades up'? Long story short, Sam & Freddie did her a favor. |
| 856 | |
| 857 | [[/folder]] |
| 858 | |
| 859 | [[folder:Real World Mass Guessing]] |
| 860 | [[WMG: An actor or actress from the show will get their own show in the future.]] |
| 861 | * Not really about the show itself but..''Series/TheAmandaShow'' had Drake and Josh who eventually got their [[Series/DrakeAndJosh own show]]. Miranda played Megan on that show, Nathan appeared as Toplin and Jerry as "Crazy Steve". They star in their own show which is a SpiritualSuccessor to ''Drake & Josh''. |
| 862 | ** Probably be Gibby. He's younger than the rest of the cast, by at least 2/3 years, so he'd be right in the age to be cast as part of whatever Dan makes up to replace iCarly. |
| 863 | *** Yea, Noah is only thirteen going onto fourteen while the others are sixteen - seventeen. |
| 864 | *** Now that I think about it, the kid who plays Nevel is about the same age (even though his age on the show got a small retcon upwards), so they both could appear. Jerry would probably cross over as well. I wouldn't be surprised if one of Dave and Fleck were tapped up as well. |
| 865 | *** I also suggest, for the better of men everywhere, that the girl who plays Wendy gets given a starring role. |
| 866 | ** The chain goes back further than that: Amanda Bynes was on Series/AllThat before she got her own show. This is sort of like a MasterApprenticeChain, should we make a new trope about it? |
| 867 | *** Quite a few shows came out of ''Series/AllThat'' actually. |
| 868 | ** I think the next show will star the Munck Brothers with the girl that played Missy and Music/ArianaGrande in starring roles as their sisters, with Jerry Trainor as a single father. |
| 869 | *** Confirmed. Gibby is being moved into his own spin-off. Sam is being moved into her own spin-off joining Music/ArianaGrande as Cat from ''Series/{{Victorious}}'', into their own spin-off called ''Series/SamAndCat''. |
| 870 | |
| 871 | [[WMG: The entire show is specifically made for YoutubePoop]] |
| 872 | Think about it - ''Series/ICarly'' consists entirely of completely random occurrences, with very few real jokes - ''ideal'' fodder for YoutubePoop. |
| 873 | ** Freddie's mom holding up a baggie full of asparagus that looks like a baggie of pot on a regular non-HD TV set. |
| 874 | |
| 875 | [[WMG: Dan Schneider is just a front for the real producer, Quentin Tarentino]] |
| 876 | Think about it. The amoral attitude of the show, the high (for a kids show) rate of violence, the ComedicSociopathy of Sam (and Megan before her) . |
| 877 | |
| 878 | [[WMG: Creator/DanSchneider is the [[Manga/{{Naruto}} Orochimaru]] of Avoirdupois.]] |
| 879 | He's fat and always has been, and no boy who's ''ever'' worked with him has remained overweight throughout the time they've worked with Dan. Josh Peck started out [[StealthPun pear-shaped]] and ended up skinny, Reed ("Nevel") Alexander has had to do the rounds of talk shows with "cooking light" as a cover, and Noah Munck is considerably less round in the fourth season than he was in the first. Clearly, Dan is stealing their fat to add to his own body. |
| 880 | * I can't believe I'm typing this, in ''this'' WMG of all WMG's.. but {{Jossed}} as [[http://fyeahcarlysamandfreddie.tumblr.com/post/5207172797/look-at-what-came-up-in-the-info-when-i-uploaded this picture]] of the cast celebrating Noah's 15th birthday on set. |
| 881 | |
| 882 | [[/folder]] |
| 883 | |
| 884 | [[folder: iOMG and the Sam/Freddie arc in the first 4 episodes of Season 5]] |
| 885 | |
| 886 | [[WMG: The 'sway' ''doesn't'' happen in iOMG, but instead happens in the iParty With Victorious cross-over.]] |
| 887 | iOMG could be a red herring, or only is a ShipSinking against Seddie. Leaving Creddie unresolved. The last episode to be aired will be the crossover. It involves Carly chasing a guy down to LA. Carly could get dumped or realises the guy is a jerk, and finally look back towards the one guy she knows would die for her. Freddie. |
| 888 | * {{Jossed}}, the crossover doesn't fit with the current continuity, and it's the first episode of next season that follows up iOMG. |
| 889 | |
| 890 | [[WMG: The 'sway' for ''iOMG'' is Creddie.]] |
| 891 | Creddie is the OfficialCouple. Creator/MirandaCosgrove is the star. Creddie has been [[ShipTease teased]], [[JustFriends flirted with]], hooked up and broken up ''without'' ShipSinking for 70+ episodes and they keep playing and touching each other all the damn time now. There are so many negatives and questions that a Sam/Freddie hookup would bring such as Freddie appearing mentally unstable after Sam has beat the crap out of him for 70+ episodes, making it look like UsefulNotes/StockholmSyndrome, make Sam look like a rebound, make her look like a complete bitch for treating him that way whilst hiding 'secret feelings' and has the potential to ruin the increasingly weak comedic side of the show in an effort for a cheap ratings stunt to pacify the online fans that only end up being a 0.01% of the actual viewer numbers. Sam also has a canon PrecociousCrush on Spencer. |
| 892 | * {{Jossed}}. But still possible for the follow up episode. |
| 893 | |
| 894 | [[WMG: The 'sway' for ''iOMG'' is Seddie.]] |
| 895 | Sam is just a crazy {{Tsundere}} bitch who is in love with Freddie and that's how she rolls. Freddie just wants someone to fuck after whatever causes a Creddie ShipSinking, and Sam does have a [[FreudianExcuse fucked up family life]] so her Daddy Issues will probably mean she'll put out once she thinks she's in love with Freddie. Okay, it might not happen like that, but Seddie could be done in a textbook/cliche BelligerentSexualTension manner even if it hasn't been planned at all, and it's fans would just consider all the abuse as 'proof' that she was doing it because she was jealous/secretly liked Freddie. As for Freddie, maybe the tennis racquet damaged part of his brain. |
| 896 | * [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y5Etes2CV4 This]] is explanation enough if you take it at face value. |
| 897 | * Confirmed. Sam kisses Freddie. That is a sway. Freddie doesn't reciprocate, but the episode leaves on a cliff-hanger. |
| 898 | |
| 899 | [[WMG: The 'sway' for ''iOMG'' is Cam.]] |
| 900 | Even though it probably won't be made explicit, they'll do a ShipSinking on Creddie and Seddie, and Carly and Sam will end the episode together whilst Freddie is off on his own. |
| 901 | * This, so very much. |
| 902 | * {{Jossed}} |
| 903 | |
| 904 | [[WMG: The 'sway' for ''iOMG'' is Creddie. But it happens by ShipSinking Seddie.]] |
| 905 | Sam and Freddie end up alone. After Carly tells Sam she should want a nice boyfriend and to 'take a shot', and Freddie tells her about how you sometimes need to go for it even if you don't know what the other person will do, Sam mistakenly sees this as a signal and takes a shot at Freddie. Freddie pulls away, gives her a LikeBrotherAndSister moment and/or a reminder that he's in love with Carly. This is a 'sway' that is compatible with the plot of the last episode which is the Victorious cross-over. |
| 906 | * Semi-{{Jossed}}. Doesn't happen in ''iOMG''. But it doesn't confirm Seddie either. |
| 907 | |
| 908 | [[WMG: The reason for the Sam and Freddie going on a date/ending up alone together.]] |
| 909 | * Carly going on a DoubleDate with Sam, when Sam's date backs out forcing Freddie to step into the hole. |
| 910 | * Sam and Freddie pulling an OperationJealousy. |
| 911 | * Sam pulling a PrankDate on Freddie. Sam tricks Freddie into believing Carly/another girl wants to go on a date with him, then she doesn't show up. She feels sorry for him and they end up having the date he was supposed to have with Carly. |
| 912 | * BlindDate setup by Carly. |
| 913 | * NotADate. The group arrange a dinner at a fancy restaurant.. but Carly and Spencer have to back out.. and for whatever reason it's already been paid for. Sam and Freddie go alone. |
| 914 | ** All {{Jossed}}, unless there's a crazy GambitRoulette between Sam and Freddie to pull the OperationJealousy on Carly. |
| 915 | |
| 916 | [[WMG: Melanie is involved.]] |
| 917 | And it's not revealed until late in the episode. |
| 918 | ** It may turn out Sam was Melanie all along, and Sam was in Juvie. |
| 919 | ** [[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0972534/board/flat/181119200 This is an imdb post which lays out the 'case' for it being Melanie, and that they switched after the arm-wrestling match at the start of the show.]] |
| 920 | *** If someone happens to remember the proof, they should put it here. Unfortunately, every post in the linked thread was removed by the administrator except for the couple removed by the posters. |
| 921 | |
| 922 | [[WMG: There's a sway, but only to enable a fully blown LoveTriangle to develop.]] |
| 923 | Sam admits to liking Freddie. Maybe even tries to kiss him, but he's unsure, maybe even mentions Carly and about being unsure because of her. |
| 924 | * Confirmed, but only as far as the kiss. It's left on a cliffhanger after Freddie doesn't reciprocate the kiss. |
| 925 | |
| 926 | [[WMG: Sam is in love with Gibby, Brad or Spencer, or is rejected by one of them and moves on to Freddie.]] |
| 927 | * All {{Jossed}} |
| 928 | |
| 929 | [[WMG: Even if ''iOMG'' is the ''the Big Seddie Episode'' [[StatusQuoIsGod Sam and Freddie will go right back to hating each other in the next episode]].]] |
| 930 | Remember what happened to Creddie in ''iSaved Your Life''? [[StatusQuoIsGod It didn't last, did it]]? |
| 931 | * Jossed. A 5-episode Seddie arc will come after that episode, and StatusQuoIsGod will resume by the end of the arc. |
| 932 | |
| 933 | [[WMG: The bacon metaphor decoded.]] |
| 934 | Bolivian bacon is what brought Sam and Eric "Noseby" Mosby together. Sam always threatened Noseby Mosby but "fell in love" with him because of the bacon magazines he gave her every month. As Sam claims, Bolivian bacon "changes you". Sam is in love with the bacon, not Noseby Mosby. |
| 935 | |
| 936 | Carly is who brought Sam and Freddie together. Sam always insults Freddie but grew in love with him also because of his never ending support of her friendship with Carly. Carly is the MoralityChain who changed Sam and sees the value in her as a person. |
| 937 | |
| 938 | To conclude: Freddie IS Noseby Mosby. Carly IS Sam's Bolivian Bacon. HistoryRepeats. |
| 939 | |
| 940 | [[WMG: Freddie will simply say '[[ShipSinking no]]' to Sam.]] |
| 941 | Freddie has no obligation to like Sam back, it makes Sam realise she [[Series/{{House}} can't always get what she wants]] giving her the chance to have some badly needed character development, friendship development and depending on how it's handled, introduce a little drama involving Carly. |
| 942 | * {{Jossed}} as of the iLMM promo. |
| 943 | |
| 944 | [[WMG: Freddie and Sam will date or go out but it [[ShipSinking won't work out]].]] |
| 945 | * And Carly will try to watch and be happy but it'll tear her up inside. |
| 946 | ** Which in turn will lead to something that could happen to Carly that could trigger Freddie's "returning the favor" heroism, ala iSaved Your Life: round 2. |
| 947 | ** Confirmed. They break up in iLove You. |
| 948 | |
| 949 | [[WMG: Sam and Freddie will have an early hook-up, but the LoveTriangle aspect will follow the footsteps of Series/ChoujinSentaiJetman]] |
| 950 | The iCarly main trio accurately depicts three of the five protagonists of Jetman: [[TomboyAndGirlyGirl Girly Girl]] Kaori had always been pining around TheHero Ryu (who shrugs her off), wherein TheLancer Gai had an affection for Kaori and tensions arise between the two males. Like in the show, past episodes will be revisited after Carly's discovery of the truth. She steps out of the way to give chance to her best friends while she herself reconsiders how she took Freddie for granted far too long. Sam and Freddie will date as part of the story arc (as Gai and Kaori did), while Carly will still have her occasional flings. However, the entire "opposites attract" philosophy doesn't work well between Sam and Freddie as personal differences kick in and they nevertheless break up. Carly then realizes that even with her recent relationships, nothing was better than with Freddie and overcomes the entire "hero worship" thing, to which Sam then supported till the very end without hard feelings between them. The LoveTriangle is retained well without straining the friendship, as it did in Jetman. |
| 951 | * So that means: Carly is Ryu, Freddie is Kaori and Sam is Gai? That means Dan could have bumped in reading Jetman's plot and then using it as a starting point for [[OT3 Creddiam]], then. |
| 952 | ** So far it's working up to the point where Gai and Kaori break up. |
| 953 | |
| 954 | [[WMG: Sam's love for Freddie is actually a crush.]] |
| 955 | And will be revealed so when next season airs. There are so many examples of this show using the word "love" when it really meant crush, and this could be another one. Especially if some ShipSinking happens, to keep the integrity of the show then there won't be the kind of reaction you'd expect when it's really 'love' and not just another crush being called love. |
| 956 | * Confirmed. She wasn't really in love with Freddie, she was just forcing the issue because of it's intensity. If anything, her love for Freddie is platonic as shown in iLove You. Just like many of the other so called 'loves', it fades away as soon as the episode ends. |
| 957 | |
| 958 | [[WMG: Sam's actions towards Freddie are the result of feeling inadequate when compared to Carly.]] |
| 959 | Ok, bear with me here. So, as of iOMG, it's safe to assume that yes, Sam loves Freddie. However, this doesn't explain why she acts the way she does to him, when compared to other boys she's liked in the series (Shane, Jonah, Pete), in which she acts more or less normal. Why? Well, let's break this down: |
| 960 | * Jonah used her as the basis to get to Carly. Any person could probably feel inadequate in such a situation, and caused a bruised ego.. |
| 961 | * Considering what happened with Jonah, by the time she was in competition for Shane, her pride may have been why she fought so hard to "win" against Carly. Considering this competition was never really resolved, it didn't help to resolve any jealousy or feelings of inferiority. |
| 962 | * Now, it seems she was successful with Pete...for the episode he was in. Yes, this show focuses on StatusQuoIsGod, but Jonah and Shane had reasons for leaving in their episodes. Similarly, so did Griffin, and it's implied that Spencer's flings are more or less one-night-stands. So, it's safe to assume that at some point not long after the episode, it doesn't work out. Now, we don't know who-dumped-who, or if it was mutual, but the episode did bring up the point that: yes, Pete did like Sam how she was, but did also like the improvements Carly made. Even still, she made it clear, she felt the need to be more like Carly to get the guy. And if they break-up shortly after the episode, it doesn't exactly seem like she had been wrong to feel that way. |
| 963 | ** {{Jossed}}. Sam doesn't 'love' Freddie, she 'likes' him and somehow still 'hates' him at the same time. Nothing about being inadequate compared to Carly is brought up, and Sam's feelings based on the evidence appear to start between iPity The Nevel and iOMG. |
| 964 | |
| 965 | [[WMG: [[Series/DrakeAndJosh Megan Parker]] spends iOMG masquerading as Carly.]] |
| 966 | Seriously, the experiments on Spencer? That is not a Carly thing to do. That's very much a Megan thing to do. |
| 967 | |
| 968 | [[WMG: The arc will wind up being a TakeThat to Seddie shippers...]] |
| 969 | With Dan Schenieder's intention being to show just ''why'' Seddie won't work long term. Sam & Freddie hooking up serves as a PetTheDog moment, by giving the shippers several episodes with Seddie together. |
| 970 | * The second episode ''iDate Sam & Freddie'' definitely has this feel. Carly as the audience surrogate comes out directly and tells the pair they shouldn't be dating after they spend an entire episode constantly starting annoying fights with each other. |
| 971 | ** Semi-confirmed. The list of ShipSinking reasons is quite long, but it never reaches the point of a TakeThat. |
| 972 | |
| 973 | [[WMG: Freddie will end iCan't Take It without patching up whatever it is that Gibby and Carly tell him that hurts the Sam/Freddie relationship.]] |
| 974 | None of the promo for the episode show him happy, and he looks positively ''angry'' at several points including one where Carly forces them to kiss. Just like the end of iDate Sam & Freddie, the show won't resolve the actual issue, and carry it into the final episode. |
| 975 | * {{Jossed}}. They fix the issue in the episode itself. |
| 976 | |
| 977 | [[WMG: The final episode of the arc (iLove You) will end with Sam and Freddie breaking up.]] |
| 978 | Freddie has been shown in what little preview footage there is to be nervous and anxious when around Sam's family in prison, and is visibly worried when one of them brings up the idea of treating Sam right. This IfYouEverHurtHer trope will make Freddie be scared of breaking up with Sam. He eventually talks to Carly who tells him he needs to be honest with Sam regardless of the consequences. |
| 979 | * Confirmed. They love each other as platonic friends, but forced a romantic connection where none existed. |
| 980 | |
| 981 | [[WMG: The final episode of the arc (iLove You) will end with Sam and Freddie staying together.]] |
| 982 | The plot will revolve around Freddie's nervousness around her family invoking the IfYouEverHurtHer trope, but eventually he decides Sam is worth the risk of death and they stay together. |
| 983 | * {{Jossed}}. They break up. |
| 984 | |
| 985 | [[WMG: The final episode, iLove You will result in Freddie revealing he still loves Carly.]] |
| 986 | He breaks up with Sam, when she gets mad and asks why, he spills the beans that he hasn't got over Carly. He might even say that he feels like Sam is the sister he never had, or that they are BetterAsFriends, but he knows inside he doesn't love Sam like he loves Carly. |
| 987 | * {{Jossed}}. The entire Creddie relationship isn't even referenced. |
| 988 | |
| 989 | [[WMG: The name iLove You will be a TitleDrop for Sam and Freddie breaking up]] |
| 990 | After a discussion about their friendship, and about how Freddie doesn't feel they should stay together, he says "I love you, but I'm not in love with you." |
| 991 | * [[Confirmed]]. They break up. Freddie says "I love you" to Sam and it's after a long list of reasons why they don't work as a couple, and they break up and stay broken up. |
| 992 | |
| 993 | [[WMG: ''iLove You'' will feature THAT scene with Carly & Freddie]] |
| 994 | * You know the one, the "Are you in love with her?" scene which Dan had previously teased on his blog. |
| 995 | ** Ahh, [[TeasingCreator The Script]]. |
| 996 | ** {{Jossed}} |
| 997 | |
| 998 | [[WMG: Seddie will happen for most of the season, but the writers won't resist the idea of breaking them up and having Creddie happen.]] |
| 999 | The writers don't seem to care too much about existing characterization, this 5 arc 'block' will probably be a ratings winner (Or not, that will depend on the ratings)... what better way to follow that up by doing it all over again at the end of the season + the first 3 or 4 episodes of Season 5. They might go so far as to do Seddie, then Creddie, then break both pairings for good in time for the finale to be a 'friendship' finale that let's everyone continue the ship war for the next 40 years. |
| 1000 | * It better happen properly, because viewers will cry foul and have it branded as "Series/HannahMontana 2.0" (Remember Loliver? That'll be the reason) if Seddie isn't destroyed by that season. Or a last minute Creddie, ala ''Series/LizzieMcGuire'''s last episode. |
| 1001 | ** {{Jossed}} for now, they have broken up. |
| 1002 | |
| 1003 | [[/folder]] |
| 1004 | |
| 1005 | [[folder:iGoodbye]] |
| 1006 | * Note: After the episode aired Dan posted a blog where he called into question what took place in iGoodbye using his typical troll and obfuscation methods such as telling people in a neutral fashion multiple versions that he 'thinks' might be correct as opposed to a single actual explanation, as well as posing questions to the audience (ie: was it romantic? was it love? was it deep friendship?) which don't actually confirm anything and trying to allow people to determine if it meant something on their own. Remember that this site is Website/TVTropes, not [=TVTropes=] + Blog Tropes. Series/ICarly is a TV show. We work with the tropes that occurred on the TV Show. Dan can't change what tropes were used after the fact. Please view the YMMV and Trivia page for the show and the Creator/DanSchneider page for more detail on what happened. |
| 1007 | ** Dan used the LastMinuteHookup trope, which is an ending, romance trope (used in dozens of very similar situations all of which are considered 'canon') ''and'' has it's own warning about how people with different ShippingGoggles will view events different. That applies here, and even to Creator/DanSchneider. |
| 1008 | ** ''WordOfGod'' on this site is ''Trivia'' not a Trope. He may be "WordOfGod" but if his Word doesn't match what took place on his show his word is irrelevant for the purposes of the site. Dan already has entries for LyingCreator and he is compromised by his need to keep people interested in the ''Series/SamAndCat'' spinoff. |
| 1009 | ** DeathOfTheAuthor, FlipFlopOfGod, TeasingCreator, LyingCreator all apply ''massively'' here. Work with the tropes that you saw on screen. |
| 1010 | ** Don't start a ship war here. Please. |
| 1011 | |
| 1012 | [[WMG: Carly and Sam will leave Seattle, leaving Freddie all alone.]] |
| 1013 | Carly will go join her father, wherever that is (Europe)? and Sam will be going to LA because of her ''Series/SamAndCat'' spin-off. Maybe even Gibby will be leaving depending on where his spin-off is set. This will leave Freddie alone in Seattle with only his mother for company, and maybe Spencer. |
| 1014 | * {{Jossed}}. Kinda. Sam doesn't seem to have left the city yet. That probably happens in the Sam & Cat pilot. |
| 1015 | |
| 1016 | [[WMG: The show will end shipless.]] |
| 1017 | Neither ship will have a LastMinuteHookUp. Creddie will get closure with Carly telling Freddie to move on, and Sam will confirm any feelings she had for Freddie are gone. |
| 1018 | * {{Jossed}}. Creddie happens as a LastMinuteHookup just as Carly leaves for Italy (in a very similar way to the Phil/Keely kiss from Series/PhilOfTheFuture). Sam doesn't confirm or deny any feelings but the Seddie scenes amounted to a phone-call where Freddie jokingly asks if she wants to get back together, Sam is confused and the subject is quickly changed by Freddie. Sam doesn't make any moves or discusses her feelings for Freddie after this moment. |
| 1019 | |
| 1020 | [[WMG: Carly and Freddie will hook up in the GrandFinale]] |
| 1021 | There is a high chance now, considering [[spoiler: in preview pictures and the promos, Carly and Freddie will kiss again.]] |
| 1022 | * Confirmed. Creddie get a LastMinuteHookup. |
| 1023 | |
| 1024 | [[WMG: In the final episode, Gibby will go Super Saiyan]] |
| 1025 | * {{Jossed}}. He gets his head stuck in a machine though. |
| 1026 | |
| 1027 | [[WMG: No pairings will ever become canon.]] |
| 1028 | No Creddie, no Seddie, no Cam, no nothing. The series will end with the biggest ShipTease of all, but nothing will be canon. |
| 1029 | * {{Jossed}}. Creddie has a LastMinuteHookup, joining many other shows (like Series/Zoey101 for example) where the two main characters hook up right at the end to become canon. |
| 1030 | |
| 1031 | [[WMG: The show will resort to a LastMinuteHookup or none at all]] |
| 1032 | Despite the ShipTease that ignites more fanwars (and the attempt to handwave it), the show will still remain in the StatusQuoIsGod territory until they finally decide to pull the plug. Sam has a number of instances for giving Spencer her "attention" (iPranky, iDo, iStart a Fanwar) and has barely showed any real interest on Freddie. Carly's future flings will only be in one-shot episodes without proper characterization. In the end, it will all fall to Freddie being with Carly or Melanie (if she returns), or maybe they will all go their separate ways for college. |
| 1033 | * Confirmed. Creddie has a LastMinuteHookup. |
| 1034 | |
| 1035 | [[WMG: Carly will initially decide to leave Seattle, but go back because she doesn't want to leave Freddie and Spencer.]] |
| 1036 | * {{Jossed}}. Carly really does leave for Italy. It might only be for a few months but she still leaves. |
| 1037 | |
| 1038 | [[WMG: They won't REALLY show Carly's father in person.]] |
| 1039 | They'll have him be really tall or cover him up like Mr. Tipton from the suite life series. |
| 1040 | * Every still shot released hasn't shown his face. He's been seen from the back or from the head down. They didn't even show his face during the promo. He is also very tall from those shots. It could end up like the next door neighbor on ''Series/HomeImprovement''. |
| 1041 | * {{Jossed}}: He has lines and is shown completely. |
| 1042 | |
| 1043 | [[WMG: They will have [[LesYay Carly and Sam]] hook up.]] |
| 1044 | What can the MoralGuardians do? Cancel them? |
| 1045 | * {{Jossed}} |
| 1046 | |
| 1047 | [[WMG: ''[=iGoodbye=]'' will feature a LastMinuteHookUp between...]] |
| 1048 | * Carly & Freddie |
| 1049 | * Sam & Freddie |
| 1050 | * Carly & Sam |
| 1051 | * Sam & Spencer |
| 1052 | * Carly & a random love interest that was only introduced in ''[=iGoodbye=]'' or one of the last episodes before that. |
| 1053 | ** Confirmed for Carly & Freddie. |
| 1054 | [[/folder]] |
| 1055 | |
| 1056 | |
| 1057 | [[WMG: ''Series/{{iCarly}}'' and ''Series/TwoAndAHalfMen'' take place in the same universe.]] |
| 1058 | * It all revolves around Gordon from ''iDo''. There is a recurring character on Two and a Half Men also named Gordon. [[IdenticalStranger Both Gordons are played by the same actor and have similar personalities.]] If I remember correctly, it wasn't stated where ''iCarly's'' Gordon lived or what he did for a living and assuming the episodes don't take place on the dates that they aired, I don't think it's too far-fetched to say that both Gordons are the same person. |
| 1059 | ** Saw a rerun of this episode several weeks prior to this entry. I'm pretty sure they said it takes place, the wedding part at least, in Wisconsin, or some similar place, not California. Plus, Gordon's explanation of what happened in between his appearances on ''T&AHM'' doesn't align with what happened in ''iCarly''. Good theory, but it doesn't really work. |
| 1060 |
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