| 1 | * [[WMG/GoblinsJossed Jossed Theories]] |
| 2 | |
| 3 | [[WMG:Kore is named ironically, and is made of almost entirely non-core material.]] |
| 4 | The spell he uses to temporarily resurrect [[spoiler:the Fortune Teller]] is NOT speak with dead, it's Revenance, a fourth level Paladin (and cleric and blackguard) spell from the book Complete Divine. He is either playing a paladin of tyranny/slaughter (and has convinced Herbert to let him use non-core paladin spells as an abnormal paladin), or a Gray Guard from Complete Warrior that seriously stretches the limits of the "no code of conduct as long as you're lawful good" thing. |
| 5 | * Revenance can only work on someone who's been dead for 1 round a level. If what you're saying is true, Kore is freakishly high level. |
| 6 | ** TalkingIsAFreeAction. |
| 7 | *** The revival isn't one round per caster level (it's one minute per caster level), the maximum length of time they can be dead before the spell is cast is one round per caster level. |
| 8 | *** Kore is shown using a consumable magical item for this effect (of which he has many). His level does not really apply. |
| 9 | *** Aside from how he gets enough money to afford all those freakishly high level expendable items in addition to full plate armor, two dwarven waraxes, that tower shield, two automatic repeating hand crossbows, enough bolts to keep those crossbows loaded, and whatever other obscenely OP magic items he has. |
| 10 | * Semi-confirmed: Kore is playing a twisted homebrew class [[spoiler:created by a demon]] that can be summarized as "Literal Warden of the Damned", which breaks pretty much every 3.5 and below core rule about paladins in favor of making the weirdest and cruelest Paladin-Necromancer hybrid ever. |
| 11 | |
| 12 | [[WMG:Kore is a pathological coward (in the Goblins universe, not the player universe).]] |
| 13 | |
| 14 | Think about it. His usual strategy in a fight is to rely on heavy armor, a ridiculously over-sized shield in relation to his physical size, and killing his targets from as great a distance as possible with automatic crossbows. And his usual targets seem to be way, way below his level based on how obscenely broken he usually is in combat. As in fighting enemies intended for a level 1-2 as level 12. Alternatively, as mentioned further down, his player is either intimidating the GM or the GM's girlfriend. |
| 15 | |
| 16 | Or worse, is a seriously over-powered NPC which the GM has ALREADY shown he is very fond of using, like the Demon "Not-Walter." |
| 17 | |
| 18 | * Possibly Jossed: The consequences of Kore's actions have caused him to be in constant torment [[spoiler:from the souls he has devoured and bound to his personal Hell]]; if he were truly afraid, he would stop making his eventual fate even worse. |
| 19 | |
| 20 | [[WMG:Kore is the rerolled character of the player that was originally the low level human paladin that was killed brutally by goblins in the first few strips.]] |
| 21 | * Jossed: Kore has been alive for centuries. |
| 22 | |
| 23 | [[WMG:Dies Horribly will die horribly is not his real name, it's dies heroically.]] |
| 24 | The fortune teller who name the goblins has not always been heard correctly, and none of the others really seem to realize it, and he has shown to be courageous sometimes in the face of his own death. |
| 25 | * Those aren't mutually exclusive. |
| 26 | * Alternatively, in spite of Saves-A-Fox's lessons about determining his own destiny, Dies will instead CHOOSE to fulfill the prophecy behind his name for heroic reasons. |
| 27 | ** Alternately, he dies to [[WebVideo/DoctorHorriblesSingAlongBlog Dr. Horrible]]. |
| 28 | * Or maybe he's just horrible at dying. Think about it: how many near-death experiences has he already survived? |
| 29 | ** Jossed. He dies. Quite horribly. [[StupidSacrifice And pointlessly]]. |
| 30 | ** Unjossed. While his death is indeed rather horrible, it doesn't last long according to the most recent update. That said, One could say he's fulfilled his fate, so to speak, and now has a new lot on life. A bit early to say, really. |
| 31 | |
| 32 | [[WMG:Takn is a Tucker's Kobold.]] |
| 33 | That's why he's so famous among them: After leaving his tribe for an unspecified reason, he has used his superior skill and cunning for taking down many adventurers, some of them quite high-level. He's got some reputation. |
| 34 | |
| 35 | [[WMG: The human adventuring party will encounter Kore.]] |
| 36 | They already encountered Dellyn, so... |
| 37 | * Seemingly confirmed as of November 2013, when Minmax and Forgath use the Jade Teapot to teleport to the Goblin Adventurers, who are currently fleeing from Kore. Not to mention the cryptic prophecy from both the Goblin seer and the Brassmoon Wall. |
| 38 | * Not only confirmed, but actually shown. Currently, Forgath is fighting Kore to allow both Minmax and the GAP to escape. |
| 39 | |
| 40 | [[WMG: The final party will consist of eleven player characters, one of each main class.]] |
| 41 | There were five goblins originally, and six more characters have joined Chief on the wall. Each of them has received more than enough characterisation to become a main character. It is clear that they will all take class levels and join the party - even though having eleven characters means that they won't be getting levels all that fast. |
| 42 | * The badass hobgoblin is clearly a warrior. Give the guy some full metal gear, a two-handed sword, and a couple of feats, and watch him power attack and cleave his way through the enemy hordes, two enemies each turn. |
| 43 | * Kin is going to be a ranger. She has a crossbow and everything. Her high intelligence might allow a level or two in wizard as well. |
| 44 | * Pan becomes a druid: The close affinity with nature and earth will help with his blindness, and shapeshifting into a bear will be handy when he wants to hit even harder. Yala is frail and weak; but give her a Silent Spell feat, and she could probably make a pretty good wizard. |
| 45 | * The jumpy kobold is clearly fast and agile enough to become a good rogue, and the drider could be a sorcerer. That leaves bard, which Fumbles can handle: He's not effective as he is. |
| 46 | Let's hope Elli won't be mad when she reads her master plan here. |
| 47 | * Jossed. |
| 48 | |
| 49 | [[WMG: Kore is a Paladin of Slaughter.]] |
| 50 | There. Now we can concentrate on different matters. |
| 51 | * 'Fraid it isn't that simple: he has shown abilities that a Paladin of Slaughter lacks, but a Paladin of Honor (a core paladin, in other words) have. |
| 52 | * Jossed: He's even worse; he's a ''[[WardensAreEvil Warden]]''. [[spoiler:His abilities come from using the souls he imprisoned in his personal hell]]. |
| 53 | |
| 54 | [[WMG: Saves A Fox will end up saving a fox.]] |
| 55 | The fox she killed wasn't the fox she was supposed to save. She will eventually be forced to save a fox, which will lead her to question if the seer prophecies can be avoided in the long run. |
| 56 | * The prophecy said when she'd save it. Unless they discover time travel, the prophecy can't be fulfilled. |
| 57 | * {{Jossed}}. She saved it from terrible suffering due to its sickness. |
| 58 | |
| 59 | [[WMG: Saves A Fox ''did'' save the fox she was meant to.]] |
| 60 | She's kept that tail all this time, and there's more than one meaning of the word "save". |
| 61 | * Or we could turn it around a bit and say that she saved it from the village peoples wrath. |
| 62 | * Dies thinks she saved it from dying horribly of Sunset Fever. |
| 63 | |
| 64 | [[WMG: Dies Horribly will die horribly but [[BackFromTheDead get better]].]] |
| 65 | Eventually, Dies will come to accept his fate and make a noble sacrifice, dying horribly to save his companions. He is then resurrected, possibly in a way relating to the metal symbiote entity. |
| 66 | * I for 87 think it would be appropriate for him to die of Sunset Fever. |
| 67 | ** That might not be something that goblins can get. The way Dies describes it, it sounds like a disease that only affects small animals. |
| 68 | * Well, he hits -10 [[http://www.goblinscomic.com/10212011-2/ here]] and comes back [[http://www.goblinscomic.com/10242011/ here.]] I think we have a confirmation. |
| 69 | |
| 70 | [[WMG: Kore is not a Paladin]] |
| 71 | They may say he's a Paladin, but all we have are statements. He never used any Paladin Powers -- not Detect Evil, nor Smite, nor Lay On Hands, nor Summon Mount. He is said to be fearless, but that is not a demonstration of a class ability if he's hugely overleveled. He did use a supernatural ability, but Speak With Dead is a Cleric spell, not a Paladin spell. |
| 72 | * Multiclassed with monk or Red Dragon disciple? |
| 73 | ** What's that got to do with anything? |
| 74 | * Maybe he was a paladin once but somehow became a blackguard without realizing it? |
| 75 | ** {{Jossed}}. Elli herself has specifically stated that Kore ''is'' a paladin, and will not end up as just a cop-out. |
| 76 | ** Maybe he's a fallen Paladin. |
| 77 | *** {{Jossed}} AGAIN. Elli has specifically stated that Kore is NOT a fallen paladin, and that the reasons behind that seeming impossibility are material for RAFO (Read And Find Out) |
| 78 | *** In other words, there will eventually be an explanation in the comic. |
| 79 | ** Could be a Paladin, aka "Templar" or "Inquisitor", of Pholtus, the WellIntentionedExtremist of the good gods. |
| 80 | * Maybe Paladin just the name some paladins would call themselves knights and some clerics would call themselves priests so we could be a cleric calls himself a paladin. |
| 81 | * It could be homebrew. |
| 82 | * Given the moral and philosophical stance of the comic, it's possible that in Elli's universe, alignment is not always absolute and objective; it is subjective for mortal characters. Kore firmly believes that he is doing the right, good, and noble thing in pursuing the course he does, and so keeps both his alignment and paladin status. Alignment remains objective for things like demons, though; otherwise, the Axe of Prissan wouldn't register as evil to paladin senses... |
| 83 | ** It needn't even be objective for demons: depending upon how one interprets 'effect that depends on', detecting evil might detect demons and any other creature with the evil subtype as evil regardless of what their actual alignment is. |
| 84 | ** Or a paladin might be able to detect if someone is evil ''by the standards of that paladin''. |
| 85 | * We've removed all doubt- in one of the more recent updates, Kore uses Lay on Hands- a paladin-only spell. |
| 86 | * The simplest solution is just that Kore took Gray Guard from Complete Scoundrel, which means he can commit evil acts so long as they are in accordance with his order. If he is all there is to his order, he gets to decide what acts he can and cannot do, so he can do anything. |
| 87 | * He IS a Paladin, and of course, his actions should have him fall long time ago, but he has a lot of -screaming- souls bound to himself. All those souls are forced to carry Kore's sins. They're screaming and suffering for those abominable actions, and the self-loathing of the good paladin Kore once was. If a cleric manages to free all those souls, Kore would have to bear the weight of those sins, and become a fallen paladin at astronomical speeds! |
| 88 | |
| 89 | [[WMG: Kore is a ''Fourth Edition'' Paladin]] |
| 90 | They can be evil, and neither clerics nor paladins lose their powers if they wander over alignments. |
| 91 | * We've never heard Kore refer specifically to third edition mechanics. |
| 92 | * Admittedly, Kore showed up long before fourth edition was in the works, but hey! |
| 93 | * The biggest flaw with this idea is that Kore uses a Speak With Dead spell (or an item that functions like that spell) to communicate with the dead goblin Teller. If Speak With Dead still exists in 4th edition, then it's a Ritual. Of course, there's the possibility that the world is slowly morphing to 4th edition rules... |
| 94 | ** He could take the Ritual Caster feat and be perfectly capable of casting Speak With Dead. |
| 95 | ** That comic was long before 4th edition and 3.5 Paladins can't cast Speak With Dead (only Clerics can). |
| 96 | *** And he appeared to be using an item anyway. |
| 97 | * The entire comic (according to WordOfGod) was completely scripted before the first colored page was posted (on August 12, 2005) which was 3 years before 4th edition's publishing. |
| 98 | ** And yet we've seen the Shield of Wonder create a Soulspike Devourer, a 4e monster. Whatever reason Elli originally came up with for Kore's ability to keep his paladin status ''could'' be retconned to this, though her original idea is probably less banal and thus she'll probably keep it. |
| 99 | |
| 100 | [[WMG: Kore will claim the Axe of Prissan]] |
| 101 | The thing favors paladins and cannot harm them against their will; and it will unleash a plane-eating demon if it is used in too many evil deeds. Where else could it be going? Unfortunately, odds are high that [[WMG/PoisonOakEpilepticTrees Big Ears will die in the process]]... Anyway, at the current update schedule, we'll find out in twenty years or so. |
| 102 | * Apparently he's tried to before. |
| 103 | * [[spoiler: Looks very, very likely as of October 15, 2010.]] |
| 104 | * When he does, he will find himself BlessedWithSuck as it is imcompatible with his Dwarven steel armor and is incapable of harming Big Ears. |
| 105 | * It turns out the axe ''was originally his''. So yeah, practically confirmed at this point. |
| 106 | |
| 107 | [[WMG: Kore will end up wishing for the axe of Prissan to kill him]] |
| 108 | Possibly while it is in his own hands, or possibly while it is in the hands of [=BigEars=]. |
| 109 | * Alternately, the axe will go through him just before something causes him to Fall. Then, it solidifies in his skull. |
| 110 | |
| 111 | [[WMG: Kore is the Paladin from whom the axe was taken]] |
| 112 | We're never told any details about Kore's curse. The Paladin from whom the axe was taken was female, but there is no solid evidence that Kore is male; Forgath mentioned that female dwarves often have beards, and with all that armor, who can tell? Also, the man who stole the axe never said that he had murdered its owner; Ears guessed it. |
| 113 | * Not true - the massive chunk of exposition (Elli likes them, and the way her schedule works, they're preferable to other options) states that the Axe lets each new Paladin wielder know its full and detailed history. However, this still doesn't preclude Kore having wielded it; it just means that the unnamed female paladin could have had it in between Kore and Caine. |
| 114 | ** The female Paladin who had the axe before Saral Caine was Dri Featherknife. |
| 115 | * Sort-of confirmed: The Axe [was created by Kore](http://www.goblinscomic.org/comic/08132016-2/). |
| 116 | |
| 117 | [[WMG: When the goblins meet Kore the axe will split him open]] |
| 118 | And then everyone will realize that Kore is in fact an ex-paladin who has been using magic items to conceal the loss of his powers. |
| 119 | * As of 11/28/10, it is confirmed that the axe goes right through him, and as per the description, the Axe of Prissan only passes through paladins, thus, Kore IS a paladin. |
| 120 | |
| 121 | [[WMG: Captain Goblinslayer is a Greenwood Ranger.]] |
| 122 | Or something similar. Not a crazy prediction or anything, just some idle speculation. Waaaaay back in 2nd Edition, there was a kit (think primitive prestige class) for rangers called the Greenwood Ranger that was a normal ranger who was transformed into a human/plant hybrid. Goblinslayer doesn't fit the description 100% (this was back when all rangers had to be good-aligned, for starters), but it could have been an inspiration to the author to some degree. |
| 123 | * Alternately, he's got a prestige class or template from 3rd Edition. |
| 124 | |
| 125 | [[WMG: Captain Goblinslayer has a split personality]] |
| 126 | When Goblinslayer is torturing Fumbles, he looks almost sorry at times. Or maybe just more insane. Also, the block letters applying to him occasionally change colors. This may have something to do with his apparently being half tree. |
| 127 | * Sorry? Are you sure? Sarcastic false sorrow while torturing ''is'' the hallmark of many a CardCarryingVillain. |
| 128 | * His letter colours are consistently green/yellow throughout. This can confidently be assumed to be related to his dual physical nature. There's been little to imply that his mind is anything other than singly dedicated to being a total bastard. |
| 129 | ** Well, he does display what appears to be deep and genuine grief when [[spoiler:Saral Caine is found dead]], but it may have been because [[spoiler:Saral Caine]] was his only friend. It's also been said right out that he's part Treant through [[AWizardDidIt magical means]]. So it could be that the Treant-- or whatever it is-- side is the one that makes him a monster. His human side tried to fight it at first; but eventually it was just too hard, and he gave in. |
| 130 | *** But, Treants are Usually Neutral Good. If anything, on the miniscule chance that your theory is correct, the Treant would be more likely the part that tried to fight Goblinslayer's monstrosity. |
| 131 | *** He might not be half-Treant; it's been implied that he may be half-golem, so the 'tree-half-makes-him-evil' theory might not be too far off. |
| 132 | |
| 133 | [[WMG: Captain Goblinslayer is half Treant]] |
| 134 | Not sure if that would cause him to literally split down the middle as half tree and half human, but maybe he was a freak even among the halfbreeds. Not like he knew many in the first place; he was raised among monsters and mocked constantly by them. He lived with his treant father; the human druid mother died giving birth to a freaking half treechild. It made him grow to hate all monsters and torture them for fun and all that jazz. He can finally bully the bullies that bullied him so terribly. |
| 135 | * Seems to have been {{jossed}} [[http://www.goblinscomic.com/05312009/ here]]; Kin mentions that magic turned him into what he is. |
| 136 | * 2009 June 20th's comic implies that he might be a Half-Golem (Wood). |
| 137 | |
| 138 | [[WMG: Captain Goblinslayer is a Half-Golem.]] |
| 139 | Given the June 20th, 2009 comic. The Half-Golem template represents a living creature with limbs and the like removed and replaced with golem parts. A Wood Golem would be the construct base for Captain Goblinslayer. |
| 140 | * Can someone explain to me what about that particular comic implies he's part golem? |
| 141 | ** The only wooden parts on him, as revealed by the rips in his shirt after he gets impaled, are a single arm (with 'plates' of wood holding it on at the shoulder) and a half-mask thing on his face. Half-Golem, unlike the other [[HalfHumanHybrid Half-Whatsits]] of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'', means "{{Magitek}} Cyborg}", not "crossbreed". It sure looks like wooden parts have been grafted onto his flesh. |
| 142 | * [[http://www.goblinscomic.com/03292010/ If this helps this theory in any way]], his face still looks like a graft atop his skull, but his body looks more like the ''skin'' in the graft atop the wood bits... However, he's still bleeding through the coal, implying normal flesh ''under'' the wood... |
| 143 | ** I thought it looked like embers in the cracks in the charcoal. |
| 144 | |
| 145 | [[WMG: Captain Goblinslayer has epilepsy.]] |
| 146 | * [[EpilepticTrees Yep.]] |
| 147 | ** ''Ouch''. |
| 148 | |
| 149 | [[WMG:Grem's father is Redcloak from Order of the Stick.]] |
| 150 | It's simple. Some years ago, before the Order entered the dungeon, Redcloak started a little side project of finding more goblin allies on other planes; he arrived in a world which followed roughly the same rules and met Duv. An alliance was proposed for a regeneration spell; but Maglubivet had something against the Dark One or ''vice versa,'' and the magic wasn't allowed to work. Eventually, their duties forced them to part ways, but something already happened. |
| 151 | |
| 152 | Plus, they're both [[DarkMessiah Dark Messiahs]] with [[HumansAreBastards tragic]] [[DoomedHomeTown pasts]]. |
| 153 | * One theory about why Grem looks nothing like Redcloak: Duv sent a message after she found out she was pregnant, but [[AWizardDidIt Xykon found out,]] and, well... |
| 154 | |
| 155 | * On the reason why there may be a bad blood between Dark One and Maglubiyet, consider the fact that it's against tradition for goblins to take any classes, which may suggest that their god may be against it. Both Redcloak ''and'' Dark One have classes (latter was even rumored to have prestige class). Maglubiyet might have seen the alliance as encouraging other goblins to take classes, just like them. |
| 156 | |
| 157 | * Following that idea, Kore is a past or future version of Miko Miyazaki. |
| 158 | |
| 159 | [[WMG: The Rules that govern the world are changing from 3.5 Edition to 4th Edition]] |
| 160 | When the comic started, the rule base that the world quite clearly ran on was obviously the 3.5 rules. But, bit by bit, the world seems to be changing. Kore has already been theorized as being a 4th edition Paladin; perhaps he (or she, as another WMG says) is slowly converting and, fortunately for him, acquired the "Paladins can be of any Alignment" rule before he went off the deep end. |
| 161 | * [[http://www.goblinscomic.com/11102008/ This comic]] features a creature that looks like a Soulspike Devourer, a creature that didn't exist until the 4th edition. And [[http://www.goblinscomic.com/11222008/ this comic]] proves that it ''is'' a Soulspike Devourer -- the process that happens to its kill is a trademark of the beast. |
| 162 | ** {{Jossed}} by Elli, she specifically picked that monster out of the 4th edition monster manual because it looked [[RuleOfCool cool.]] There are later examples with 3.5 rules, no rituals, the HP still work like 3.5, and no encounter powers. It has been stated by WordOfGod that it is a homebrew setting, and I, for one, will use monsters, items, and even rules from other editions and even totally different systems. |
| 163 | * There are no barbarians in fourth edition... |
| 164 | ** As of the 4E ''[=PHB2=]'', there are. |
| 165 | |
| 166 | [[WMG:The Shield of Wonder is changing the rules that govern the world to 4th Edition.]] |
| 167 | It summoned the Soulspike Devourer. |
| 168 | * Related but different: The Shield of Wonder does not follow ''any'' rules, at least for Summon (Monster) effects. Alternately, it works on magic from a parallel universe that works on 4th Edition rules and sets. Or is ''from'' a 4th Dimension universe since there are planar-travel magic. |
| 169 | |
| 170 | [[WMG:Dies Horribly's "Special Arm" is functionally a bonded Mindblade]] |
| 171 | One of the psionic classes in 3.5 was called the Soulknife; its forte was manifesting psychic energy in the form of a weapon composed of faintly translucent, colored, solid energy -- just like Dies' arm. Soulknifes could reshape their Mindblades into almost any form, from dagger to axe to greatsword. If this theory is true -- and Dies did manage to make a flower grow out of his palm before panicking and turning it into a blade-growth -- then Dies will be able to shapeshift his arm at will if he gets some more willpower and, more importantly, stops jumping at every shadow. |
| 172 | |
| 173 | [[WMG:Saves-A-Fox is half human.]] |
| 174 | Admittedly, we haven't seen a ton of women goblins, but she seems to have more defined and human-like features than other goblins. She's also the one who actively says, "ScrewDestiny" She's not the only one who dislikes some of the Goblin traditions (there's Complains-of-Names), but she's the only one of the goblins we've seen who has done the opposite of what her name is. And rebellion for rebellion's sake is frequently considered a human trait. |
| 175 | * I'm not necessarily saying Saves isn't half human, but I don't think you can say well-defined features as being a trait of a half-human as we see Complains in an earlier comic day dreaming about a very well-defined female goblin. |
| 176 | |
| 177 | [[WMG:Years of pent up loot is going to the goblins.]] |
| 178 | The goblins seem to be magnets for rare and valuable things at the moment. Chief has an amazing spear; Big-Ears has the Axe; Dies-Horribly has a shapeshifting hand; and Complains has become part-Demon, presumably granting some useful bonuses. Chief also remarked after the battle in the guard barracks that they seem to be gaining bonus experience. This could be because there ''are'' no other parties of goblin [=PCs=] so far as we know -- even the dungeon delve at the Viper clan seems to be comprised of (admittedly dangerous or talented) {{NPC}}s. Coupled with their lifespans, which are generally guessed to be about 30 years, the non-stop windfalls make a certain sort of sense. You can add Maglubiyet's influence to top it all off -- he wouldn't want his future champions to die poor and weak, would he? |
| 179 | |
| 180 | [[WMG:Kore's player is a rules lawyer who talked his Dungeon Master (who may or may not be Herb) into letting him use his twisted justifications and keep his powers.]] |
| 181 | It explains everything and is completely consistent with the nature of the world. |
| 182 | |
| 183 | [[WMG:All the horrible things happening to Fumbles are part of the backstory on his character sheet.]] |
| 184 | Note that he did not pick a [[JokeCharacter real character class]] yet, and so he is not a ''PlayerCharacter'' yet. While he was a [[FunPersonified rather shallow character]] at first, he has been given [[ScarsAreForever a unique appearance]], a strong reason to become a hero (or maybe just [[AxCrazy a psycho]]), and the set-up for [[BreakTheCutie a major personality]] [[strike: [[DarkerAndEdgier disorder]] ]][[BreakTheCutie change]]. If he does not end up dead or catatonic by the end of the chapter, then he could be a rogue (or even a sorcerer, given the team's lack of arcane spells). If nobody minds more fourth wall breaking, then perhaps "Vorpal [=KickAss=]'o" was a previous character design that Herb the GM did ''not'' find amusing. |
| 185 | * ... [[https://www.goblinscomic.com/comic/page-10-2020 you might be onto something]]. |
| 186 | |
| 187 | [[WMG: The Goblinslayer is incredibly angry and bitter about his status as a HalfHumanHybrid]] |
| 188 | It would explain why he [[FantasticRacism hates non-humans so very much]] and go some way into explaining why he's such a bastard. |
| 189 | |
| 190 | [[WMG:Kin will end up as a villain, possibly killing Goblinslayer in the process.]] |
| 191 | |
| 192 | You know she must feel betrayed at the others leaving her. And now she's the ''only'' monster Goblinslayer has left to torture. And the pent up anger he must have right now after his encounter with Thaco? (and imagine if he lets that slip during the torture) I definitely wouldn't want to be in Kin's scales right now. |
| 193 | |
| 194 | Prediction: Kin gets horribly mutilated (and possibly driven a little crazy) until she breaks free, kills Goblinslayer, (denying him a final fight with Thaco) hijacks his plant half to replace her own missing parts, (Yuan-ti are good at the nature magic, aren't they?) and goes after the Goblins. |
| 195 | |
| 196 | * Jossed. She killed Goblinslayer, but still seems to be good, and is uninjured. She is however now part of the Human Adventuring Party. |
| 197 | |
| 198 | [[WMG:The World is in a CycleOfHatred]] |
| 199 | |
| 200 | As in, the PC races kill the monster races on the grounds that they're evil, as a result a group of goblins turn into [=PCs=] are fight the evil PC races, so more and more monster races join them in the fight, and so they become the core PC race while the old ones are now seen as the AlwaysChaoticEvil EX fodder that's killed on sight. |
| 201 | |
| 202 | [[WMG:The freed monsters are going to become another [[TwoLinesNoWaiting plot path]]]] |
| 203 | |
| 204 | They're "calling" character classes in the last strip, and while it ''might'' be a throwaway gag, it ''might'' be yet another segment of plot. |
| 205 | * My prediction: The freed monsters will form an adventuring party and go on to do similar good deeds throughout the world, inspiring yet more monsters to take control of their destiny. Before long, there will be a full-scale revolution. |
| 206 | ** Alternately: They will show up near the climax, fully empowered with new character classes in the BigDamnHeroes moment of the century. |
| 207 | ** This has now been confirmed. It looks like it's been greenlit as a spinoff comic. |
| 208 | |
| 209 | [[WMG:Captain Goblinslayer is [[spoiler:dead]] ]] |
| 210 | [[spoiler:Goblinslayer died little after Thaco left him to die. And Kin has a new master that's kinder and/or set her free.]] |
| 211 | |
| 212 | I deeply hope for this to be true because it gives Kin a happy ending that she should have. And it helped me stop crying about Kin being taken back to Brassmoon. Don't be afraid to show this idea has being jossed. |
| 213 | * {{Jossed}}, [[strike: unless the Wall was referring to his corpse]]. |
| 214 | ** Well, now he [[KarmicDeath is]]. |
| 215 | |
| 216 | [[WMG:Dies Horribly isn't his real name]] |
| 217 | It's ''Dyes'' Horribly. |
| 218 | |
| 219 | [[WMG:Fumbles is going to pull a stunt from ''End of Evangelion'']] |
| 220 | He's currently in the same state Asuka was at the beginning of the movie. Eventually, something ''really'' nasty is going to start happening to everyone else, at which point he uses HeroicWillpower to break out of the coma, kicks some serious ass (maybe in a vorpal way, kicking someone's ass hard enough that their head comes off), and gains enough experience from the concentrated SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome to reach the same level as the rest of the party. [[spoiler: The threat getting back up and beating him in a CurbStompBattle is optional.]] |
| 221 | -->'''Fumbles (to Kore):'''I don't know who or what you are. But I do know one thing: ''I declare my dodge on you, dwarf!'' |
| 222 | |
| 223 | [[WMG:Captain Goblinslayer is from [[Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt Gillitie Wood]]]] |
| 224 | He has the same kind of partly-tree body as Ysengrin. |
| 225 | * Jossed. Ysengrin's tree is separate from his body, which is a normal (albeit extremely weak) wolf. |
| 226 | |
| 227 | [[WMG:Kin is going to aid Minmax & Forgath against Dellyn and join the party in his place]] |
| 228 | Forgath appears to have let go of her leash in the latest strip... |
| 229 | * More specifically, she's using this opportunity to escape, but has stopped to watch and has had an attack of conscience because a second-level adventurer just bitchslapped Dellyn on her behalf. I fully predict that MinMax will more or less take care of Dellyn on his own, but that Forgath and Kin will be forced to work together to get his ass out of dodge. As a result, Kin will more or less join their party for now, completely contrasting MinMax's total stupidity with her incredible intellect. What's more, as a result of associating with Kin, [[spoiler: when the party come across Kore, Kin's presence will be the reason that Kore attacks them. Forgath, recognizing his destiny, somehow convinces the other two to flee without him while pulling a YouShallNotPass on Kore... Perhaps this might even happen very soon after the fight with Dellyn, with MinMax still being too injured too assist and forced to rely on Kin.]] |
| 230 | ** Confirmed; Kin is now a member of their party. |
| 231 | |
| 232 | [[WMG:Fumbles is dead. But Señor Vorpal Kickass'o lives.]] |
| 233 | At some point, someone will stick the moustache onto Fumbles, since he clutches it all the time. And Vorpal will reawaken, living up to every possible trope of fantasy warriors; the minute the moustache comes off, back to catatonic Fumbles. |
| 234 | * Close, but [[spoiler: he puts it back on himself.]] |
| 235 | |
| 236 | [[WMG:The goblins' prophetic names aren't just random visions; they were all named for the benefit of the PlayerCharacters who attacked the camp.]] |
| 237 | Other than correctness (which is, Dies and the fortune teller aside, 100% so far and still possible for Dies), there's not a lot of pattern to the goblins' names. Big Ears and One Eye are named after their appearance, Chief after his job, Fumbles and Complains after actions they take frequently, Dies after something that he'll do ''once'', and Thaco's not even named prophetically at all. But all of them are named for something the party would notice during the big battle for the warcamp, and in fact for the thing that party would consider the most memorable/distinguishing/important thing about that goblin. Fumbles and Complains are the most obviously in support of this theory, though "Chief" and the appearance ones work in obvious ways for obvious reasons. Dies was presumably ''supposed'' to be killed in a particularly nasty way by the short drow, but the vision went a bit off the rails when Klik showed up (alternately, YAB didn't have the stomach to or couldn't spare the time to watch to the end of that vision and extrapolated from what she'd seen of that Drow so far). YAB was clearly named ironically, as a certain class of player is prone to do; Forgath did interrupt the battle to complain about how ugly she was. Thaco probably had some really lucky rolls one way or the other during his fight that left the players whose characters he killed complaining and earned him a nickname. |
| 238 | |
| 239 | [[WMG:Kore is a fallen paladin.]] |
| 240 | He believes that he fell due to fighting evil, and therefor being in contact with it, so much. This lead to his theory that evil is infectious. |
| 241 | * Jossed, Elli has stated he is ''not'' fallen. |
| 242 | |
| 243 | [[WMG:Kin is the Snake]] |
| 244 | You know how both of the prophecies that Minmax and Forgath have received mentioned "The snake becoming prey" and "friend becoming enemy"? Well, based on recent strips featuring those two, it seems clear that Minmax won't be willing to travel with Kin, and Forgath doesn't seem to pleased by that. My guess is that Minmax's trying to kill Kin will cause Forgath to break off their friendship, and they'll go their separate ways. If they don't attack each other over it first, that is. |
| 245 | * On a related note, Forgath will be killed by Kore because of his recently-found sympathy towards monsterkind. Although Forgath and Minmax will likely still be estranged at this point, the anger over his once-best-friend's death will cause Minmax to swear revenge on Kore, perhaps even temporarily joining up with the Goblin Party to achieve it. |
| 246 | * Doesn't look like it, with the recent updates. The snake might refer to the Viper clan instead. |
| 247 | ** With recent updates, it's still possible. Kin joins the Goblins because it wasn't the teapot in the Maze of Many (or for some reason she has to keep adventuring with them) and even she can see that Forgath is still holding on to a grudge from when he was still relatively racist and doesn't have a real reason for hunting them down (the snake becomes prey, i.e., joins their group). Minmax follows her because she presents a good point, she's adorable, and he might actually have decent INT at the cost of WIS or a stupid player (friends become enemies). Forgath realizes that it was a stupid grudge and asks to join the higher-level Goblins to make things right and uphold the spirit of Lawful Good adventuring instead of he letter (enemies become friends). For that matter, though, it could be about Kore finding the Maze of Many group (the snake becomes prey, maybe some ProphecyTwist mumbo-jumbo about Kore being revealed as an old friend of Forgath's) and this whole thing is kind of irrelevant to the final result, but that doesn't really have anything to do with the Goblin Adventurer group. |
| 248 | * Complains is the snake. [[http://www.goblinscomic.com/12312010/ Look at his I.M.E.]] |
| 249 | ** A lot of people (myself included) think that looks like a tail with a scorpion-like stinger at the end. So it could go either way. |
| 250 | |
| 251 | [[WMG:Herbert is a sympathizer of monster races]] |
| 252 | Herbert is a GM who's always disliked the AlwaysChaoticEvil trope and thus is running a campaign with sympathetic goblins, eventually extending to other monster races. |
| 253 | * Better yet: Herbert is the AuthorAvatar. That explains the use of Elli's house rules, too. |
| 254 | |
| 255 | [[WMG:The Tempts Fate strips are connected to the main comic continuity]] |
| 256 | Tempts Fate is actually Complains, either from an alternate universe, or from some point in the future where his adventuring experience has made him more badass. (And change colour.) |
| 257 | |
| 258 | [[WMG:Kore will either demonstrate a paladin power, or the group will notice the lack of paladin powers]] |
| 259 | This is finally a group that can potentially survive an encounter with Kore, even if it is by running the hell away. Either he'll summon his mount to try and run them down (forcing them to split up), or he won't and they'll wonder why the hell he isn't. |
| 260 | * Close. He finally used lay on hands. As a way to prolong torture. |
| 261 | |
| 262 | [[WMG:Kore's curse prevents his god from seeing him and so removing his paladin powers]] |
| 263 | The fortune-teller told Kore that he was cursed, but he claimed it wasn't a curse. If the curse is what enables him to retain paladin powers while "eliminating even potential evil" then he would see this as a good thing. (The curse might also distort his Detect Evil abilities.) It may or may not relate to the fact that we only ever see one of his eyes. |
| 264 | * Further, Kore will die when Forgath (while dying at his hands) lets his god see through his eyes and spot Kore, thus removing his Paladin powers ''while the Axe of Prissan is harmlessly phased through his body''. |
| 265 | |
| 266 | [[WMG:Kore is Forgath from the future]] |
| 267 | Some time in the future, Kin kills Minmax, probably accidentally; the shock of the creature he had been defending 'murdering' his best friend drives him over the edge, and he 'dies' and is reborn as Kore, in a Darth Vader Killed your Father kind of way. At some point he stumbles on a rift in time and resolves to go back and 'right' the world by slaying all evil. That's why he hasn't lost his paladin powers; he only recently multiclassed, and he picked a god who lets him get away with the stuff he pulls. (God of revenge, maybe?) |
| 268 | |
| 269 | [[WMG:Kore's Curse Is An Unremovable Ring Of Change Alignment]] |
| 270 | * Think about it for a moment: As long as he wore it, he'd still remain a paladin, no matter what deeds he committed. Since it's unremovable (like many cursed items are), as long as he's not given a "Remove Curse" spell, it's stuck on him forever, so no matter how wretched he actually becomes, he stays a paladin, and Lawful Good. |
| 271 | ** Two weaknesses in this theory: First, being lawful good is only one prerequisite for being a Paladin, the other is not being a complete monster. Second, being forcibly lawful-gooded by a magic item should change your behavior AWAY from being a complete monster, not toward. |
| 272 | *** In a D&D universe, your alignment determines whether or not you're a complete monster (neutral evil and chaotic evil are the alignments of complete monsters), not your actions. Besides, read above concerning how Kore is "non-core" and you'll see that it's possible to be a paladin, do horrible things, and still have powers as long as you're lawful good alignment. As for the "lack" of a behavior change, here's a question for you: who do you think he's talking to when he discusses his beliefs and what he's about to do with his victims? He isn't talking to his victims, ''he's justifying his actions to the Dungeon Master.'' Kore isn't just cursed with an unchanging alignment, '''[[RulesLawyer he's a player character!]]''' Probably one that has been playing the game for an extremely long time, to have created such a powerful, CrazyPrepared character with such an absurdly badass setup. Don't be surprised if he actually turns out to be the Dungeon Master's Player Character... |
| 273 | *** Except as said before, lawful goodness isn't enough to remain a paladin. The other prerequisite is to never commit an evil act. This means that he also has a permanent ring of change act alignment. |
| 274 | |
| 275 | [[WMG:Kore maintains his alignment because the DM/Herbert is a Republican]] |
| 276 | Come on: slaughtering innocent bystanders, hunting down and eradicating whole swathes due to percieved evil (and thus "pre-emptive" strikes against evil), justifying TORTURE as a 'good' action... if that doesn't scream Bush-era tactics applied to a D&D setting, I don't know what does. |
| 277 | * Kore's excessively long speeches explaining the justifications of his actions are also the only thing keeping him aligned as a paladin -- by explaining how he (as a character) perceives his actions to be good, no matter how evil the action itself would otherwise be, he gets a pass. Either it works because the DM/Herbert agrees with the idea that if you say it's for the common good, it is, or either as a StrawmanPolitical that he can't otherwise argue with because it would make him look like a hypocrite. |
| 278 | |
| 279 | [[WMG: Kore is a construct made by a fallen Paladin]] |
| 280 | Basing this on the fact that Kore seems to be more metal under his boots. A paladin who lost his powers due to his deplorable actions (ie killing innocent monsters) and forged a construct to continue his work for him. Kore is not sapient enough to know what he's doing is wrong, therefore in his own mind he's still lawful good. However, since it's 3e, ANYONE can be a player character. |
| 281 | |
| 282 | [[WMG: Ears was only the first dramatic/traumatic level-up]] |
| 283 | When Big Ears went up against Saral Caine, it was a win that seemed beyond what he'd be able to solo in the first couple levels. He underwent a highly dramatic trial and received a beyond awesome level-up with armor, weapon, reaffirmation of his character, backstory, the whole nine yards. |
| 284 | |
| 285 | Now consider if each of the other characters undergoes something just as formative... but switch from "dramatic" to "traumatic" here, since it seems to be the way the mood is going. Recently it looked like Chief was going to get his moment just fighting [[spoiler:Kore]] alone; now it still might be Chief's moment, in a "must suffer and die and be reborn to become ultimate healer" style (similar to how, in an ''ComicBook/ElfQuest'' backstory issue, the main healer nearly killed herself seeking out the nature of death so she could better fight it). But the current fight needn't be Chief's big moment; it could be the big moment for Fumbles, Thaco, or Complains (who seems more likely, given his friendship with Chief). If it's the big level-up moment for that person, he's about to go above and beyond the group in his actions, giving us a moment to remember. |
| 286 | |
| 287 | ** It's worth noting that Saral Caine didn't have a weapon capable of doing lethal damage to Big Ears (except for one gauntlet for part of the fight - which doesn't do a lot of damage even though it is lethal - and Big Ears' axe - which broke with the one shown attack he made with it). Fighters in 3.5 D&D lose a lot of their power when they don't have a usable weapon or good armor (which he lost when Ears claimed the Axe of Prissan). It would still be a challenging fight, but not quite as overwhelming as one might expect once Ears had a magic weapon and armor and Caine had neither. |
| 288 | |
| 289 | [[WMG: Dies Horribly was deliberately misnamed.]] |
| 290 | Given what happened to Chief, Dies might be the prophesized Chief who will lead them to glory. So they switched up the names to prevent a civil war. |
| 291 | * It's been stated that Thaco was the prophetic Chief. That doesn't preclude the possibility that Chief and Dies Horribly were switched, either deliberately for some reason or by accident, though. |
| 292 | ** Dies Horribly [[spoiler:has lived up to his name, in two possible interpretations - he suffered a horrible death ''and'' he was horrible at dying, since it didn't stick.]] |
| 293 | |
| 294 | [[WMG: About the eyes.]] |
| 295 | When Goblins are all in a bloodlust/combat-ready mindset, their eyes turn all black with a glittering white in the center. This could be a representation of pupil dilation, which helps people and animals [[{{Laconic}} see some stuff better.]] |
| 296 | |
| 297 | [[WMG: The Axe of Prissan doesn't actually contain a demon.]] |
| 298 | The Axe radiates evil because it IS evil. It's an artifact that brainwashes paladins who hold it into believing it is. Perhaps it selfishly adapts itself to be the ideal weapon for whoever touches it. |
| 299 | * {{Jossed}}. The axe has [[AllThereInTheManual a long history which Elli will occasionally comment on.]] [[http://www.goblinscomic.com/07052011/ Most recently,]] he discussed an ogre who was able to actually communicate with the Demon in the axe. |
| 300 | |
| 301 | [[WMG: Dellyn the Goblinslayer, Saral Caine, and K'seliss are all Hybrids made by a wizard.]] |
| 302 | When Dies Horribly first meets K'seliss, Saves-a-Fox mentions a mad wizard who had a thing for building half-breed constructs, and that there's a Half-human/Half-Stone Giant living in Brassmoon city. Saral Caine is human sized, with a stone like complexion. Furthermore, his [[spoiler:death at the hands of Ears]] seems to leave an emotional mark on Dellyn, enough to make him cry ManlyTears at least. Considering he's half plant and treats Saral Caine like a brother, it's possible that they were both made by the same wizard. |
| 303 | |
| 304 | [[WMG: Thaco's destiny is to succeed in injuring a being with Armor Class 0.]] |
| 305 | As the name implies. |
| 306 | |
| 307 | [[WMG: Kore is the dwarf priests foil. ]] |
| 308 | Their both Dwarfs. They both have holy alignments as their class. Paladins are supposed to be good guys whereas Clerics are supposed to just need their gods approval, right? They both saw somebody plead for their son's life. One for his adult monster son, and one for his adopted dwarf small child son. One sees that there might be more to the monsters than he thought and heals him, the other ignores his pleas. |
| 309 | |
| 310 | [[WMG: Kin considers rape natural ]] |
| 311 | Given her description of her birth sex is rape and rape is sex for her species. However she associates sex with being beaten within an inch of her life now. |
| 312 | * The birth sex wasn't rape, just one big awesome weekend-long orgy. |
| 313 | * You have a good point. |
| 314 | |
| 315 | [[WMG: Targoth, the dwarven kid Kore killed, was Forgath's brother]] |
| 316 | They have the same surname, meaning Forgath now has a dead little brother and a reason to fight Kore. He may have even been looking for the kid on the quest. When he finds out, shit will hit the fan. |
| 317 | * They are at least from the same clan, so even if he was NOT his brother this is still motivation enough. |
| 318 | |
| 319 | [[WMG: Dies Horribly's arm isn't a part of him, it's the larval form of Klik's species]] |
| 320 | Klik's race is parasitic, and can project mental images that convince other life forms that they are harmless and what they are doing is beneficial. It's already been shown to have a mind of its own. As such, the arm will eventually kill Dies and take its natural form. |
| 321 | * Dies' arm is a larval form of Klik's species but everything else Klik said was true. Klik lied to comfort Dies. Klik did his best to prolong Die's life but eventually the arm will grow up and Dies will bleed to death. The arm will become a cowardly plasmic ball which craves Dies' blood, goblin blood, other blood. It might even defeat the current big bad. |
| 322 | * Supported by the fact that Dies apparently [[http://www.goblinscomic.com/10242011/ has two souls.]] |
| 323 | * Normally that is how it would work; that is how Klik's species reproduces. However in this case Klik [[http://www.goblinscomic.com/04072006/ used a slightly different method]] to create the arm to share Dies' soul and it ''shouldn't'' have a soul of its own. |
| 324 | * [[http://goblinscomic.com/10232012/ Well, half confirmed.]] [[spoiler: The arm's alive]] |
| 325 | |
| 326 | [[WMG:Kin will teach Minmax literacy the next time they level up]] |
| 327 | Fully completing his development from ignorant munchkin to a somewhat well-rounded PC |
| 328 | |
| 329 | [[WMG:The universe isn't evil, evil tends to lose.]] |
| 330 | They didn't note how evil the groups looked the first time. |
| 331 | |
| 332 | [[WMG:Kore doesn't lose his paladin status because [[spoiler: he keeps the souls of the innocents he kills]] ]] |
| 333 | As seen on Nov. 16th of 2010, [[http://www.goblinscomic.com/11162010-2/ this strip]], Kore has what looks like chained spectral faces coming out of him, which might be the souls of the people he kills. Perhaps he prevents their souls from passing into another plane, and therefore he doesn't technically "kill" any innocents. This might be why he doesn't lose paladin status. |
| 334 | * In support of this theory, is it just me, or does the fifth head from the right look a great deal like Targoth Bladebeard, who we already know he killed? |
| 335 | Alternately, he's lost his Paladin status -- the support of his god -- but since he keeps the souls of his victims chained to him, he derives his power from them, giving him an alternate energy source for his Paladin powers. Perhaps he's amassed so many souls that they now have the collective divine clout of a minor godling. |
| 336 | |
| 337 | * Well, the part about him keeping the souls of his victims seems confirmed, because [[http://www.goblinscomic.org/02042014/ this strip]] has Chief's head in the lower right corner. |
| 338 | ** It seems likely based on what [[spoiler:Forgath]] said before falling off the bridge, but in the above-linked strip that may just be how his IME manifests. When they were first brought up, it was mentioned that they can display images beyond simple colors after one gains enough levels. |
| 339 | |
| 340 | [[WMG:Saral Caine and the Chief]] |
| 341 | They both have the same symbol (on Chief's headband and Caine's belt), and [[spoiler: they've both died]], so there's definitely something special about that symbol. Perhaps they'll [[spoiler: both come back to life sometime?]] |
| 342 | * Nope - the symbol Caine wears is Thaco's, from when he was captured by Dellyn. It's the same as Chief's symbol because [[spoiler: Thaco was supposed to be the real chief of their clan]]. |
| 343 | |
| 344 | [[WMG:Saral Caine killed Kills-A-Werebear]] |
| 345 | Only the goblin chiefs have that symbol, but Caine somehow got his hands on one. It says in [[http://www.goblinscomic.com/01142006/ this strip]] that KAW was killed by a seventh level barbarian... Saral Caine was an adventurer when he was younger. |
| 346 | |
| 347 | [[WMG: The Glowing Green light at the end of [[http://www.goblinscomic.com/01212011-2/ this strip is...]]]] |
| 348 | * Minmax and Forgath using the Jade Teapot to find Complains. |
| 349 | ** [[http://www.goblinscomic.org/11162013/ Confirmed.]] |
| 350 | |
| 351 | [[WMG: The Goblin Adventurers will eventually recognize Minmax's sword as the one he took from GS]] |
| 352 | * And it'll probably make them hate each other all the more. |
| 353 | ** or, alternately, the GAP will see it and suspect Minmax had some character growth. |
| 354 | * Minmax has since replaced this sword with Oblivious. |
| 355 | |
| 356 | [[WMG: The Maze of Many is how Kin will remove her collar]] |
| 357 | * Even if there's any real danger associated with taking it off, she still has a 50% chance of survival. Flip a coin. Tails, the party dies, reboots and it doesn't matter. Heads, and eventually one of those heads will be the run they succeed on, especially since they'll have Kin's magic backing them up. Alternate theory: While Kin has a 50% chance of not dying, 200+ Kins have a much lower chance of nobody going boom. It only takes one explosion to kill all or most of the parties. Attempts to remove the collar are responsible for most of the losses on the counter. |
| 358 | |
| 359 | [[WMG:The Gods themselves fear Kore.]] |
| 360 | Kore doesn't lose his Paladin status because his God knows that Kore doesn't need no paladin status to [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge ascend to the heavens and kick his ass for depriving him.]] |
| 361 | * Alternatively, Kore's player menaced to beat Herbert up IRL if he didn't consent, and Herbert had no choice but to agree because, if Forgath's prayers are to be believed, he's an utter nerd. |
| 362 | ** Maybe Kore's player is the DungeonmastersGirlfriend? |
| 363 | |
| 364 | [[WMG:Fortunetellers don't give names based on what they see. The names are part of an elaborate fatalistic ThePlan.]] |
| 365 | We already know that Chief was made chief because it was his name, and that he was named chief because making [[spoiler:Thaco]] chief would spark a goblin civil war. Saves-a-Fox's failed attempt to ScrewDestiny proves that the fortune tellers can get creative. Names were given to direct the course of events, not to reveal them. |
| 366 | * Dies Horribly is meant to serve a greater purpose, but must survive several near death experiences that braver goblins would have charged headlong into. Therefore, he was given a name to make him increasingly paranoid. |
| 367 | * Fumbles's insane plans would get the goblins into trouble if he weren't so bad at executing them. Therefore, give him the name "Fumbles" and he's sure to fail at them. |
| 368 | * Chief needed to become chief to prevent a civil war. |
| 369 | * Saves-a-Fox was given her prophetic name as a trap to make it seem like YouCantFightFate. The fortune teller knew it was Sunset Fever the entire time. |
| 370 | * Complains-of-Names and others like him are a control group, meant to inspire confidence that the prophecy will come true. |
| 371 | ** I doubt Fumbles became a clumsy idiot and Big Ears grew big ears solely by ThePlan |
| 372 | *** Big Ears wasn't named by a fortune teller. He was named Big Ears because he has big ears. Also, not saying the Fortune tellers don't have some degree of foresight, just saying they aren't completely honest about what they see. |
| 373 | *** Why should they exclude Big Ears from a small glimpse into his destiny solely because of his ears? If this theory is true than for all we know Big Ears' real name could have been "Bringer of Death and Betrayal" but they missed the boat because his mom was a bitch. |
| 374 | *** Complains states that some Goblins are named after Personality traits or Prominent physical features [[http://www.goblinscomic.com/06292005/ right here]] at the beginning of the comic. |
| 375 | *** Not to mention that not all goblins necessarily have anything in their future that would further ThePlan and justify a prophetic name. |
| 376 | |
| 377 | [[WMG:It IS impossible to avoid a fate accurately prophesied by a fortune teller... but fortune tellers are not infallible.]] |
| 378 | It may happen that a fortune teller sees an inaccurate, or at least incomplete vision of the future. So, it may be that Dies Horribly will pass horribly close to death, but Young-And-Beautiful failed to see the rest of his fate, in which he manages to survive. Similarly, Forgath may be ''almost'' killed by that other dwarf (Kore?) but eventually escape his fate. |
| 379 | * Sorta half-jossed half-confirmed -- [[spoiler:Dies really does die, but he gets better.]] |
| 380 | ** [[spoiler:Meaning he both died in a horrible manner ''and'' was horrible at dying, at least that time, making that prophecy a twofer.]] |
| 381 | |
| 382 | [[WMG:Kore is a woman.]] |
| 383 | Most of the time, when someone's face is obscured for the majority of their appearance, it's so it'll be a huge twist when we find out that she was [[SamusIsAGirl a woman the whole time.]] The beard is meant to throw readers off, but Forgath explicitly said early on in the series that some female dwarves can grow beards. And the only reason people use the "he" pronoun to refer to Kore is because she never removes her armor, and most people who Kore talks to end up dead. |
| 384 | |
| 385 | [[WMG: Dies Horribly is the only one who can defeat Mister Fingers.]] |
| 386 | So much as touching him can melt a person's flesh off. Naturally, he'll need to be killed by someone with an arm made of shapeshifting living metal. |
| 387 | * Jossed -- [[spoiler:K'seliss takes care of Mr. Fingers... [[HeroicSacrifice at the cost of his life]].]] |
| 388 | ** However, what with Mr. Fingers being officially called a [[NightmareFuel LESSER]] Finger Horror, could they eventually run into a GREATER Finger Horror Dies will have to fight off? |
| 389 | |
| 390 | [[WMG: Dies Horribly becomes a Rogue.]] |
| 391 | He's good at running away and hiding, and right now, Saves a Fox could really use someone good at picking locks. |
| 392 | |
| 393 | [[WMG: K'seliss is a tsundere.]] |
| 394 | [[Franchise/StarWars Search your feelings; you know it to be true.]] |
| 395 | |
| 396 | [[WMG: K'seliss is NOT gonna die!]] |
| 397 | As I write this, K'seliss has just surfaced in a dark underwater cavern he was dregged to by Mister Fingers. This may be just a little wishful thinking on my part, in the face of an author who occasionally goes into binges of killing off characters left and right, but I rather doubt that she would have bothered showing the lizard surfacing if it was really the end of him. So how will it work? Theories: |
| 398 | * Theory one: K'seliss will lose his leg and tail, and then be rescued by Grem. |
| 399 | * Theory two: K'seliss will lose his leg and tail, and then be rescued by some supernatural force completely out of left field (perhaps in an AlwaysABiggerFish sort of way) |
| 400 | * Theory three: K'seliss will ''become'' Mister Fingers. |
| 401 | Yeah, I figure if I throw enough out there, one of them will be kinda close. |
| 402 | ** [[spoiler: OKAY, ya can't blame me for being hopeful. RIP one cool molten ogre-lizard]] |
| 403 | |
| 404 | [[WMG: Forgath's player is the DM's sister.]] |
| 405 | Would give a new flavour to their [[http://www.goblinscomic.com/08202005/ banter]]. |
| 406 | |
| 407 | [[WMG: The goblins are a separate gaming group who meet Herbert the DM on a different day from Minmax and Forgath's group.]] |
| 408 | He's intentionally playing them off against each other. |
| 409 | |
| 410 | [[WMG: Kin is now a player character.]] |
| 411 | A newbie joined Herbert's group, and Kin's escape was to provide a new character for him/her to use. |
| 412 | |
| 413 | [[WMG:Another analysis of the prophecy]] |
| 414 | When the serpent becomes your prey: when Minmax and Forgath went after Complains, who's I.M.E. is now a purple snake, they run into Goblinslayer and try to get him to join the party to track down the GAP. They also find Kin, who could also match the serpent motif |
| 415 | Friends will become enemies: Goblinslayer and Minmax were buddy-buddy until he admitted to raping Kin, after which a well-deserved beatdown occured |
| 416 | Love will fuel hate: Minmax and Kin are showing signs of becoming close and the possibility of love is there. When Kore sees this, he will be pissed and want to kill them both as soon as he can. |
| 417 | |
| 418 | [[WMG: Grem will end up taking adventurer levels in order to survive the dungeon crawl.]] |
| 419 | So far, we have Saves-a-fox(6th level fighter), Dies Horribly(Standard goblin with a shapeshifting magic arm) Klik(Flying, shapeshifting metal sphere... thing.) K'seliss(Lizardfolk/ogre hybrid[[spoiler: who was awesome til he died]]) leaving Grem as... a standard goblin. If he doesn't take adventurer levels soon [[CantCatchUp he'll end up]] [[TheLoad fairly useless to the party.]] |
| 420 | |
| 421 | [[WMG: Kore's God is as much prejuiced bastard as he is]] |
| 422 | Or he serves the God of LawfulStupid. Maybe [[Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick Miko Miyazaki]] has ascended? |
| 423 | |
| 424 | [[WMG: Some of the [=PCs=] are possessed by creatures from another world.]] |
| 425 | MinMax points out that Forgath is "played" by a girl. Later a random girl actually believes she used to be the female Dark Elf that traveled with them and does not realize she is wearing gloves in response another character asks is she read her character sheet. Basically some PC's talk as if they are completely different people from themselves. |
| 426 | * ... I know it's sarcasm. Or at least I hope it is. But [[FacePalm really]] [[TooDumbToLive now.]] |
| 427 | |
| 428 | [[WMG: Fumbles is not one of the possessed characters or if he is possessed he is possessed by the DM himself.]] |
| 429 | Fumbles chosen class could not be much more useless unless somebody tried to find the most useless class possible, however it gives him an excuse to know what all the classes do. Fumbles became a PC in his party's backstory. The other goblins let Fumbles choose their class after they give a brief explanation of what they want, either they are just accepting what the DM says or they told the DM there plans before then and were given an appropiate history. Fumbles tries to convince them to attack the caravan then defies his group and attacks them anyways. Afterwards he insists on returning the doll on his own despite the impossability. He forces them on a certain path and can not do anything during there first adventure. Fumbles appears to exist in order to lead the other goblins in a way that suggests he is not controlled be anybody but the DM. |
| 430 | |
| 431 | [[WMG:Minmax is going to go through even more character development.]] |
| 432 | Minmax's first major moment of character development comes through shortly after [[http://www.goblinscomic.com/03162010/ this fight with Dellyn.]] During the fight, Dellyn stabs through Minmax's Skull Pin. Afterward, Minmax realizes that monsters are living beings rather than just something to kill for XP and amusement. [[http://www.goblinscomic.com/09202011/ Now,]] he's tossed his "I am Great" belt buckle away during a fight. Could it be that Minmax is about to learn some humility? |
| 433 | * I think Minmax is someone who is ''very'' good at roleplaying a munchkin. |
| 434 | |
| 435 | [[WMG:Dies-Horribly is going to escape the demon through a [[LoopholeAbuse contract loophole]].]] |
| 436 | The demon said, "One orb for one soul." However, his new arm has its own soul, so the demon actually took ''two'' souls, violating its contract. |
| 437 | * ''Confirmed''! |
| 438 | |
| 439 | [[WMG: Forgath will cast remove curse on Kore.]] |
| 440 | Forgath specifically mentioned learning remove curse, which was then discounted for use on Kin's collar. [[LawOfConservationOfDetail It's mention indicates that it will become useful]]. |
| 441 | |
| 442 | [[WMG: The Demon Owned Ogre]] |
| 443 | He'll become a member of Dies's party or will be killed fighting of the demons. |
| 444 | * Biscuit did leave the dungeon crawl with Fox and Dies, and fought with them against the Viper clan. |
| 445 | |
| 446 | [[WMG: Dies Horribly does not refer to him dying (Spoilers)]] |
| 447 | It refers to him being horrible ''at'' [[http://www.goblinscomic.com/11182011-2/ dying]] or [[http://www.goblinscomic.com/11222011/ dying horribly is what happens to his enemies]] but, like [[Literature/{{Discworld}} Rincewind]], if he believed himself invincible, he would actually die. The right mix of self confidence and cowardice will continue to keep him alive for a long time. |
| 448 | * Jossed. [[spoiler:He dies, [[NightmareFuel horribly]]. But it doesn't take.]] |
| 449 | ** Sort of. [[spoiler:Since his death didn't take he was, at least that time, horrible at dying. So his name has a double meaning, with ''both'' being accurate]]. |
| 450 | |
| 451 | [[WMG: Dies Horribly's second soul]] |
| 452 | Has a will of its/his own and takes over in moments of [[http://www.goblinscomic.com/11252011/ rage or terror]]. Also, it refers to Dies as "[[http://www.goblinscomic.com/11292011/ father]]" and it is possibly jealous of Saves-A-Fox for Dies' attention (same page). |
| 453 | |
| 454 | [[WMG: Grem was lied to about Saves-a-Fox being fated to survive the dungeon under the condition that she, Dies Horribly, and K'Seliss went alone. Dies (and possibly K'Seliss) were originally going to survive the Well of Darkness, and if that had been stated, Grem would have been more suspicious of her predicted survival, whereas obviously ''someone'' had to survive to bring the orb out, and if it wasn't the other two it would have to be her.]] |
| 455 | If Grem isn't there, Saves-A-Fox retrieves the key instead, possibly dying and throwing the key ahead (low odds; she'd probably have died later, in a more interestingly instance-relevant way). K'Seliss doesn't have as much delay when running from the held door, [[spoiler: he doesn't get grabbed and pulled through]], and Dies' death scene [[spoiler: goes more or less exactly the same as it did in the comic]], only K'Seliss kills the ogre first and entertains the demon very slightly. It may have changed even earlier, if Grem's presence caused Dies' arm to reach ahead and puncture the clear panel where the finger horror's finger got through. |
| 456 | |
| 457 | [[WMG: Kore is an alternate Forgath]] |
| 458 | He has the same beard colour. In the scene where he takes off his helm, we see TINY bits of its face, including his eyebrows. In the next, he cuts off part of his beard, leaving longer strands at the sides; Forgath has a short beard with two longer plaits. |
| 459 | * As of [[http://www.goblinscomic.org/02042014/ this page]], there are two more clues. First, Forgath gets a slashed right eye- the only eye we see with Kore. Second, look closely at his I.M.E. The head on the right is [[spoiler:Chief]]. The one on the left [[spoiler:greatly resembles Kin]]. |
| 460 | |
| 461 | [[WMG:Kore's god is a massive jerk]] |
| 462 | Kore's god considers monsters (such as goblins) to be purely and absolutely evil and a blight upon the earth, regardless of actual evil-ness. S/he also believes that any member of a non-monster race can be permanently 'contaminated' with said monster evil-ness. So Kore is not actually doing anything wrong or evil in the eyes of his god, and is thus allowed to keep his Paladin status, even in the face of ''otherwise'' truly heinous crimes. |
| 463 | |
| 464 | [[WMG: Trueseeing, Huh?]] |
| 465 | Yeah, that's ''never'' gonna happen between a human and a yuan-ti... right? Only it seems rather weird to even bring it up as a possibility, with this much build-up, without somehow allowing for the possibility of Minmax stepping past yet another barrier.... |
| 466 | * Possibly hinted at. By following the 'She said yes' link in the Heartwarming section Elli mentions a line that's yet to appear in her comics (I See You). Minmax dropped out of his rage in the tower room when Kin [[spoiler:had her lower half disintigrated by Psionic Minmax.]] He was too far away to hear her screams so he must have felt her pain through Trueseeing. This seems to be leading to a point where they'll meet up and Minmax will say the line. |
| 467 | ** Practically confirmed [[http://www.goblinscomic.org/11062013/ with this strip]], though Kin may or may not realize it. |
| 468 | |
| 469 | [[WMG:Kore is from a place of taint.]] |
| 470 | What spawns monsters, drags the virtuous into depravity, spreads from creature to creature, and is born of evil acts? Doesn't explain the paladin thing, but it does explain Kore's outlook. |
| 471 | |
| 472 | [[WMG:Dies Horribly's name is in plural.]] |
| 473 | His brush with [[spoiler:the Demoness is only the first time we'll get to see him die]]. Horribly. |
| 474 | |
| 475 | [[WMG:Psion!Minmax will, at some point in the future, get ahold of Oblivious.]] |
| 476 | However, his understanding of oblivion will render the weapon useless in his hands. |
| 477 | |
| 478 | [[WMG:The DM is playing a high risk high reward campaign]] |
| 479 | The enemies batled are very powerful, the traps seen are very deadly, but the things found by all three parties are pretty damn powerful. |
| 480 | |
| 481 | [[WMG:Kore and Duv will fight]] |
| 482 | A [[ImplacableMan walking tank]] with [[MoreDakka rapid firing, rapid loading crossbows]] whose goal is to wipe out all "evil", versus a [[FragileSpeedster quick, graceful goblin]] who can take on an army armed only with two blades which fit between her fingers, whose goal is to wipe out all non goblins. Both of them can claim to have a god on their side. They have the motive to fight each other to the death, and all it would take is a single meeting for it to happen. |
| 483 | * Sub-WMG; Duv will win. Kore has no allies, for one thing. And Duv has the whole "White Terror" legend to follow through on. |
| 484 | ** Duv will clearly not win if they do get into a fight. Duv is barely a match for Saves-A-Fox, [[spoiler:a sixth level adventurer with no magical items to her name]], while Kore is probably level 20 or around that. Her razors would be too short to penetrate Kore's ridiculously heavy armor as well, and her army, by Kore's standards, is basically CannonFodder. |
| 485 | |
| 486 | [[WMG: Kin will not leave Forgath and Minmax once they find the Jade Teapot.]] |
| 487 | Regardless of what she says, she has clearly taken a special liking to Minmax and it's looking ever less probable that she will leave him. |
| 488 | * On the WMG/PoisonOakEpilepticTrees side, Kore might end up killing Kin for this reason. |
| 489 | ** Jossed. |
| 490 | |
| 491 | [[WMG:Someone other than Duv will use the Orb of Bloodlight]] |
| 492 | Confirmed. |
| 493 | |
| 494 | [[WMG:Biscuit is a high level adventurer]] |
| 495 | [[http://www.goblinscomic.com/06192012/ Here]] and [[http://www.goblinscomic.com/06212012/ here,]] are the first times we actually see Biscuit take damage. First, the log trap probably didn't accomplish much in damage, but the fall looked about 20 feet. Now, during the fighting, we never see the switchbeast hitting a goblin twice, nor do we see a goblin bleeding out, i.e. the beast can always kill them in one hit, which takes 15 damage for your average first level warrior goblin. After getting hit twice, Biscuit probably has taken about 40 damage, meaning he's most likely at least 4th level. Now, when fighting the goblins, Biscuit never seems to get hurt, meaning either his armor is too high for them, or he has damage reduction they can't beat. Given that he doesn't wear armor, if his armor class is what makes him untouchable, he would need combat expertise or similar feats to boost it, which would mean he would have to be high level for him to still get the damage he does. If it was damage reduction, that would make him a barbarian. With the goblin strength penalty and their preference for short swords, DR 3 would negate anything other than critical hits. For a barbarian, that would make him at least 13th level, or way higher than a goblin warcamp is supposed to challenge. |
| 496 | |
| 497 | [[WMG:Kin's character is an experiment.]] |
| 498 | Specifically, she is Minmax's player's girlfriend(or crush), and was dragged into the game by him, thinking the regular class system was boring and repetitive, she decided to make a character with no class levels, but that is continuously getting exp and getting levels, and is waiting for her character to have a certain point of development that will make Kin want and need class levels, pumping her straight to level 3 or 4(depending of when it happens, maybe against Kore) right away. |
| 499 | |
| 500 | [[WMG:The other three human players keep having their characters killed off because Herbert doesn't like bad roleplayers]] |
| 501 | He tolerates Minmax's player because he knows how to roleplay a minmaxer, and he's been known to lose patience with Forgath's player. But the other three all chose to play drow the first time, which would naturally have ticked him off. The second time, they still kept breaking character and referencing things which don't exist in the setting such as Japan and [[Franchise/{{Pokemon}} Geodude]]. |
| 502 | |
| 503 | [[WMG: Kore has on his person a means to resurrect Chief]] |
| 504 | |
| 505 | When he is defeated Chief will come back to us. |
| 506 | * Thus far, he did summon Chief's spirit, which helped both him and the Goblins. |
| 507 | |
| 508 | [[WMG: Kore's curse is to kill the innocent.]] |
| 509 | Looking back to Kore's discussion with the Fortune Teller, she mentions that he should have lost his paladin status because of all the innocents he's killed. She then realizes that Kore is the cursed paladin, right before Kore "kills" her again before she can elaborate. Kore knows the people he's killed don't deserve to die. His curse is that he is compelled to kill people he knows are innocent, keeping his paladin powers as a sick joke while he knowingly murders people he knows he has no quarrel with. His talk of cleansing evil? An act. He's trying to justify what he's doing so it doesn't drive him insane. |
| 510 | * Or maybe [[ICannotSelfTerminate He Cannot Self-Terminate]], so he has to invoke SuicideByCop. If the Cops knew about Kore's curse, they may have a moment of hesitation, which would mean almost certain death for them since Kore is so overpowered; so he also has to invoke StrikeMeDownWithAllOfYourHatred. |
| 511 | |
| 512 | [[WMG: The Human Adventuring Party will fail attempt 1,982,772]] |
| 513 | When they went into the Maze of Many, they were sure they would succeed because even if they fail, the Maze would reset, even resurrecting them if they had died. The only reason there is now a chance for failure is because Psionic Minmax is trying to erase the entire maze from existence. Assuming he's defeated in a way that prevents him from trying again, the protagonists will be able to fail without consequences. |
| 514 | * Confirmed. |
| 515 | |
| 516 | [[WMG: Minmax 98 knows what Psionic Minmax is up to]] |
| 517 | He has a crystal ball which was able to show him everything that Goblinslayer did to Kin. He may have used it to help him in the Maze of Many, finding which alts to stay away from. He could very well have stumbled on to Psionic Minmax's plan. He may even have destroyed his own fail counter to preserve his memories in order to work against him. |
| 518 | |
| 519 | [[WMG: Psionic Minmax will "win"]] |
| 520 | That is, he'll get into the treasure room and leave the maze. Likely not by choice. |
| 521 | * Confirmed. |
| 522 | |
| 523 | [[WMG: The Human Adventuring Party has been losing on purpose]] |
| 524 | The real reason why the adventuring party has failed 1,982,772 times is because they're one of the few versions of themselves who actually cared about getting everyone out alive and in one piece. If even one of them died during the course of completing the maze, the other two will decide to lose on purpose. The other parties, however, probably completed the maze despite one or two of them losing a limb or their life. |
| 525 | |
| 526 | [[WMG: [[spoiler: Evil Klik is turning into a greater Mr fingers]]]] |
| 527 | * [[spoiler: Afer Evil Klik rips Baka in half he stars [[http://goblinscomic.org/12072012/ forming a skeleton...]]. Look very closely at it and compare it to Mr fingers, oh lord]] |
| 528 | |
| 529 | [[WMG:The Humans and the gobblins team up against Kore.]] |
| 530 | |
| 531 | Here is what happens: Human Adventuring party shows up, brief exchange of insults gives Kore time to get in range. Kore open fires injuring Kin (Who I assume goes with Minmax)and a few goblins who take the opportunity to run off. Forgath goes to negotiate with the paladin (who the adventurers would see as a ally) but Kore kills Forgath for being 'contaminated' by Kin, Minmax and Kin, seeing no chance VS Kore retreat as well. They meet up with goblins later and they decided for a enemy mine situation to get rid of Kore. |
| 532 | |
| 533 | [[WMG: Forgrath will be the one to kill Kore.]] |
| 534 | While borrowing the axe Minmax got from the Maze of Many. Being a cleric this might take some finagling, depending on the options available at the time. He holds the axe while Minmax swings him? Prays/sucks up mightily to Herbert? |
| 535 | * Borrowing the axe is confirmed. It's possible he has proficiency (maybe he has the War domain and Herbert's favored weapon is an axe), or the bonus it gives him is just enough to make it at least as easy to use as his own weapon, even with the nonproficiency penalty (as long as his own weapon is +3 or less, he'd hit at least as often, and probably do a fair bit more damage since the +7 isn't lessened by nonproficiency). |
| 536 | |
| 537 | [[WMG: Ruby (AU Kin) will be the serpent that becomes the Party's Prey.]] |
| 538 | [[spoiler: Due to her FantasticRacism and intentionally breaking up Kin and Minmax-then stealing and ''destroying'' Kin's necklace, Ruby will become the serpent prophesied by Beautiful at the beginning of the webcomic and the 'love will turn to hate' will be Minmax directing all of his hate at Ruby despite her being the form of his beloved.]] |
| 539 | |
| 540 | [[WMG:Kin's reason for asking Min-Max to drink the teleporting tea]] |
| 541 | * Is that she's already drank the Navigation Tea, and it's a SecretTestOfCharacter to see whether he really is willing to do whatever she asks of him. Particularly because of her phrasing - "We only need these cups" rather than "You only need these cups". |
| 542 | ** {{Jossed}} [[http://www.goblinscomic.org/11162013/ in the next strip]] - but [[HopeSpot she does spot Minmax's bleeding fist]], and she's easily smart enough to figure out the implications of this. |
| 543 | |
| 544 | [[WMG:Kore has never fallen, Kore is dead.]] |
| 545 | After years of adventuring and channeling divine energy and magic Kore the Paladin died. Probably in battle as he's in the armor. All that channeling however invested the armor in a sort of sentience. Like all sentient creatures, the armor was capable of making it's own decisions and it decided to be evil. However, the armor needs the body to move, cast spells (Spells are largely verbal, and to speak you need lungs to expel air.), and otherwise interact with the world. So it holds onto the body to do all of that. The armor can cast divine magic because it's saturated with it. Why does any detect alignment sense Lawful Good? Because they're using it on the body which is still Lawful Good. No one has thought of detecting the armor's Chaotic Evil alignment yet. |
| 546 | |
| 547 | [[WMG: Forgath's prophecy has already been fulfilled.]] |
| 548 | Forgath thinks that because of the prophecy that he will be killed by another dwarf, he will die at Kore's hands. However, he also tried to complete the maze 1,982,772 times and even then he didn't succeed. It is highly probable that at least one of those times he was killed by an alternate universe counterpart. Thus, the prophecy has been fulfilled, and Forgath will not be killed by Kore. |
| 549 | ** Jossed if Fumbles' prophecy is to be believed. |
| 550 | ** Confirmed. Idle is his killer. They fought in an epic battle, but as allies, and it was a MercyKill, temporary. |
| 551 | |
| 552 | [[WMG: The talking wall in Brassmoon is Minmax.]] |
| 553 | At least, it looks an awful lot like him. |
| 554 | |
| 555 | [[WMG: There are now two or more Human Adventuring Parties, but only one Kin.]] |
| 556 | Each time the Maze resets, it resets with everyone except the winning group. Presumably, it resets with even people who are DeaderThanDead (since otherwise, those groups would never return to their home realities). |
| 557 | |
| 558 | If the Maze resets even groups that have been throughly killed beyond normal resurrection methods ([[YourSoulIsMine Trap the Soul]] and such), it probably has ways of restoring groups that have left via planar transport/teleportation (whether on their own or [[DraggedOffToHell not]]). |
| 559 | |
| 560 | Since the HAP didn't win this round, the Maze will reset with them (though whether Kin will remember her birthday party depends on how the reset interacts with the O-Holes). Eventually, they will win, and the copies will arrive in the main reality at the same time as the "prime" HAP. |
| 561 | |
| 562 | * But the group of Kins are mucking around with the maze's rules and currently control when it resets — otherwise the maze would have already reset, when Minmax threw Psimax into the circle. However, when they ''do'' reset it...who knows. Though I'd like to think they would have taken the above into account. |
| 563 | |
| 564 | [[WMG:Kin will take the jade teapot back to her clan, and then use it to return to Minmax.]] |
| 565 | |
| 566 | Now that she knows he was telling the truth about Seeing her, that's what I figure (and hope) she'll do. As a corollary to this... |
| 567 | |
| 568 | [[WMG:Kin will remember about the necklace when she returns to "our" reality.]] |
| 569 | |
| 570 | It was only "erased" in the maze, which in almost all respects is completely self-contained and uncoupled from normal reality; and the oblivion holes have been stated by Elli not to affect things' past existence and "realness" in the same way proper oblivion does. Then again, if Kin were going to remember, Minmax would remember now too, so if it's shown that he doesn't then I guess this will be jossed. |
| 571 | |
| 572 | Then again, as someone mentioned there's that whole thing with the gears that can recreate things that were lost, soooo... |
| 573 | |
| 574 | Mostly, I just really, really want her (well, both of them, but mostly her) to remember. Even if they get back together, it just won't feel the same to me if neither of them remembers. |
| 575 | |
| 576 | ** It probably wouldn't make much of a difference if Minmax himself remembers. He didn't start to fall for her because of it; the birthday party and everything involved, except the necklace, should still have happened - the necklace was just a tangible reminder for ''Kin'' that Minmax cares. His feelings and thoughts about her don't seem to have changed at all via it being thrown through the oblivion hole. |
| 577 | |
| 578 | [[WMG:The [[http://www.goblinscomic.org/11082014/ band of Kliks]] are Klik's offspring]] |
| 579 | |
| 580 | I don't know how plausible this is, since I don't know how far ''Depths of the Dragon's Maw'' is from the Viper clan's territory. But I was re-reading [[http://www.goblinscomic.org/11232012/ Klik's death]], and I was thinking, maybe the dust scattered and became all those new Kliks? I know that's [[http://www.goblinscomic.org/04072006/ not how they are said reproduce]], but that's why these are called ''Wild'' Mass Guesses. XD (Besides, if everything Dies learned about Klik's species were accurate, we wouldn't have Green Klik...) |
| 581 | |
| 582 | [[WMG: There will be a running gag that every time Minmax does the secret door finding song, a secret door will be found by complete coincidence.]] |
| 583 | * Bit soon to be a running gag, but Fumbles ''did'' detect a magic door when Minmax did the "I'm a little tea pot" song. |
| 584 | |
| 585 | [[WMG: Kin's "Ken" necklace will come back if/when she touches the magical recovery psion thingy]] |
| 586 | * It's been shown to be capable of bringing back things that were lost to the void and completely forgotten about. It's capable of bringing back things that aren't currently living, such as a beard. It's not unreasonable to think it might bring back what Kin had stolen from her too. On a related note, Ruby will have hell to pay if that happens. |
| 587 | |
| 588 | [[WMG: Vorpal's Prophecy]] |
| 589 | |
| 590 | Several guesses: |
| 591 | |
| 592 | * The Ears Will Not Hear, They Want The Book But They Need To Complain: Probably a reference to the names of Big Ears and Complains Of Names, in some way. |
| 593 | ** Big Ears cut off his ears in order to fend off Kore with the golem helmet. |
| 594 | ** When tested by the celestial, Complains Of Names cuts off one of the tip of one of the celestial's horns, and it fuses with Big Ears, healing his ears. Ears only survived his test because he was part celestial, and by the perception of the celestial, therefore her son. |
| 595 | ** The Book might be a reference to the character sheets the celestial tested them with. |
| 596 | * The Levels Are Gained Outside Of Time: Almost definitely a reference to the Maze of Many. |
| 597 | ** Likely {{Jossed}}; each of the goblins goes up to Level 5 after being judged by the celestial, in a world whose temporal rate was not fixed with dimension #156, as seen with the difference in time with Vorpal's test. |
| 598 | * She Saw But Misunderstood, The Name Is Not Right: Something related to Kin ("Ken"). |
| 599 | ** Kin's Individual Magical Effect is countless copies of the letters of her erased necklace, but she only knows that they're the letters "E, K, and N". She might only figure out what they mean at a higher level, as she said. |
| 600 | * As a far-fetched wordplay, "Bowstrings break" might refer not to bowstrings but a ring belonging to Bowst. |
| 601 | ** Possibly related, the backstory of Sapphire (the archer of the Kin group) has her under an enchantment that makes her forget anyone who dies. She took this willingly in order to forget murdering her friends (among many others) while under Dellyn Goblinslayer's control. The final line of her "Alt-splanation" says |
| 602 | --> It's a blissful, dream-like state that if dispelled, [[DespairEventHorizon would be far too much for Kin to handle]]. |
| 603 | |
| 604 | [[WMG: The love pillar will appear again.]] |
| 605 | And at least one of the goblins who didn't see anything on it last time will. Something like that just screams foreshadowing. |
| 606 | * Considering recent developments regarding Big Ears and Plush, there's a chance some things might come to light if the party were to return to that room. |
| 607 | |
| 608 | [[WMG: Dies-Horribly was named that to make sure he didn't.]] |
| 609 | Thanks to his cowardice he's avoided death many times, and it's debatable as to whether death-and-rezzing counts. |
| 610 | |
| 611 | [[WMG: The fortune teller didn't actually have a vision when she named Dies.]] |
| 612 | They basically live in a DeathWorld, she was just playing the odds. |
| 613 | |
| 614 | [[WMG: What are the cast's players like?]] |
| 615 | * We already know Drow-Babe's player is "a lonely, horny teenage guy who's never kissed a girl and has no idea how females react realistically in any situation". The three drows' players are apparently not great at the game, going by both the OOC arguments between their second batch of characters and Drasst's ObviouslyEvil actions of attempting to torture goblins when he's supposed to be good-aligned. |
| 616 | * Forgath's player is a girl, and his banter with Herbert suggests she and Herbert could be either frenemies or close enough not to take casual insults and attempts of one to kill the other's [=PCs=] seriously. |
| 617 | * Minmax's player obviously starts out as a giant {{Munchkin}}, but gets more into the spirit of the game later; possibly he started out more used to video games, or maybe even actual sports if he's a jock trying his first geek pastime. It seems he does have some experience with and respect for women, considering his contempt for Drow-Babe and his care around Kin. |
| 618 | * The goblins might have players they don't know about; is Herbert playing two groups off against each other? |
| 619 | |
| 620 | [[WMG: Forgrath just got a major power-up.]] |
| 621 | He just had a bunch of Kliks graft parts to him. If they work at all like Dies' arm did, then that implies the following: |
| 622 | * He now effectively has a bunch of shapeshifting prosthetics, which could possibly also take the form of armor on demand without hindering his mobility. |
| 623 | * Each patch has its own positives and negatives, possibly in such a way as to compliment each other (i.e. one is plus heat and minus, say, heavy bludgeoning, while another is plus bludgeon and minus heat), which could give him a lot of situational power boosts. |
| 624 | -->'''Minmax:''' Ooooooh! |
| 625 | * Each patch may or may not have its own soul, which could be a terrific boon to a Divine spellcaster... possibly up to and including extra spell slots or ability score bonuses. |
| 626 | |
| 627 | |
| 628 | [[WMG:Minmax is Part Yuan-ti]] |
| 629 | True seeing is suppose to be a Yuan-ti only thing, instead of simply being the power of love, Minmax is simply part Yuan-ti, because well, hes minmaxed, he likely has at least 12 "half ___" templates stacked on himself, this might save his life as with the exception of purebloods Yuan-ti are not humanoid, which may mean Minmax isn't either and thus would be immune to certain spells. |
| 630 | |
| 631 | [[WMG:It's not a Biological Impossibility for Humans and Yuan-ti to have Sex.]] |
| 632 | When Minmax finds out that Goblinslayer is having sex with Kin, his question isn't so much from the biological point, but from why would a caged creature want to have sex with her captor? Of course, once Minmax finds out that Goblinslayer has been beating and raping Kin, that's when this guy, who normally kills monsters for the exp, unleashes a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown. |
| 633 | |
| 634 | As it is, it's probably possible for sex to occur the "usual" way - the kind where "nobody asks questions" way. |
| 635 | |
| 636 | [[WMG: The anime ''Literature/GoblinSlayer'' is an alternative universe of this comic or vice versa.]] |
| 637 | |
| 638 | These two sagas are like mirror universes. One has anti-heroic Goblins and a rapist Goblin Slayer. The other has anti-heroic Goblin Slayer and rapist Goblins. |
| 639 | |
| 640 | [[WMG: Vorpal's Prophecy: He should never have been named Fumbles]] |
| 641 | --> **Complains:** Fumbles? |
| 642 | --> **Vorpal:** She saw but misunderstood the name is not right |
| 643 | --> **Complains:** Fumbles! |
| 644 | |
| 645 | [[WMG: To get the axe back to Hell, they'll have to get a demon to take it.]] |
| 646 | Either by learning their true name and ordering them to, or [[spoiler:getting a demon to break a bargain while holding the axe, like what happened with the one who took Dies.]] Big Ears can't do the latter as a paladin, and it'd be somewhat iffy with any good alignment, so that would be trickier. Or, alternatively, they have a goblin who's ''becoming'' a demon; maybe Complains will end up immune to Hell. |
| 647 | |
| 648 | [[WMG: Rather than getting the axe back to Hell, they could quest to find the Sacred's true name.]] |
| 649 | Assuming that trope holds with higher-level demon deities too. |
| 650 | |
| 651 | [[WMG: Dellyn raped Thaco and/or Fumbles.]] |
| 652 | To quote the article "[[https://www.newstatesman.com/cultural-capital/2013/03/rape-james-bond The Rape of James Bond]]": "Though I will confess that I appreciated that in the novel The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, when the male hero wanders like a little lamb in to the lair of a serial killer/serial rapist, and once he has been, to the surprise of no one but himself, overpowered and tied up, the villain immediately shares his plans to rape him before murdering him. Why? Because this man has a bloody dungeon for raping and killing people, and the hero is in it, why would anything else happen? Of course it actually doesn’t. Completed rape remains reserved for the female characters – but I liked that at least threatened rape wasn’t: that Blomqvist was almost raped, diminished a sense that being raped was part of what Lisbeth Salander was ''for''." There have been complaints about UnfortunateImplications in how the Dellyn-and-Kin issue was handled; this, along with at least one of the alt Kins having been kept by alt Dellyn as an assassin with no sexual connotations, would fix that. |
| 653 | |
| 654 | [[WMG: Complains is the new "Messiah" of goblins]] |
| 655 | One of the gifts the goblin god gave Duv was her wings. She's now lost both, but Complain's demonic transformation has now given him a pair of wings, and he is supposedly meant to be a great chief who will lead his clan to great heights (according to the angel). |
| 656 |
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