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1The Friends on the Other Side/High Council WMG was becoming so AWESOME that it got its own page that can be found [[WMG/FriendsAndTheHighCouncil here]]~
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3Everything's been moved into folders. Two movie crossovers are WMG's between two things, like two movies or "The Disney Animated Canon and Whatever'', as long as it doesn't list every movie in the [=DAC=]. Same idea for the three movie crossovers. Massive Multiplayer Crossovers are more than three crossovers. If the movie you want to WMG for doesn't have a folder, please feel free to make one. Currently the movies are in alphabetical order, and it would be nice if (to keep the page clean), that could continue.
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5!!The [=WMGs=]
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7[[folder:Two Movie Crossovers]]
8[[WMG:The [[WesternAnimation/ChipNDaleRescueRangers Rescue Rangers]] are inspired by [[WesternAnimation/TheRescuers the Rescue Aid Society]].]]
9Rodents, similar names and credos... a fan club? A renegade outpost? Perhaps Monty or Gadget's father were once members. It may even be possible that the Society no longer exists by the time.
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11[[WMG:Snow White's Prince and the Beast ''do'' have names.]]
12We just don't know for sure what they are.
13They have to have names. The alternative defies common sense.
14* According to computer trivia game the D show, the Beast's real name is Adam.
15* Disney on Ice indicates that Snow White's prince's name is Florian.
16* Lest we forget Professor ''Padraic'' Ratigan, from The Great Mouse Detective. His first name wasn't even MENTIONED in the film, though it was revealed in a non-Disney book.
17
18[[WMG:Snow White's Prince Charming and Cinderella's Prince Charming are brothers.]]
19Both "Prince Charmings" look very similar, except for different hair colors. They're around the same age. They are both named Charming because that is their last name. Snow White married Ferdinand Charming, and Cinderella married Chad Charming.
20* And at Cinderella's wedding, the party banners at the reception probably read "Cindy + Chad."
21* The films never identify either prince as being named "Charming". WordOfGod says only the one from Cinderella is named that.
22* Funnily enough, there is a Brazilian book, and later a LiveActionAdaptation of said book, which explicitly stated all of the princes were brothers, making all of the princesses sisters-in-law.
23** Now that, I have to find. Anyone know what it's called?
24
25[[WMG:''WesternAnimation/TheGreatMouseDetective'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheRescuers'' take place in the same universe, which is also conveniently located in the Literature/SherlockHolmes universe.]]
26Sentient mice and other rodents who live alongside humans without them realizing it. There's no reason why they can't simply be the same universe in different time periods.
27* That explains the short film ''Ben And Me'' too!
28** Please, don't bother explaining "Ben And Me." Just shudder and try to forget.
29* And maybe even ''WesternAnimation/{{Cinderella}}''.
30* Don't forget about ''WesternAnimation/ChipNDaleRescueRangers''. And ''WesternAnimation/TheAristocats'', which has a mouse character named Roquefort who dresses like Sherlock Holmes. And thus, by extension, any film that has ''cat'' characters, and probably dog characters too. Heck, let's just go with the first WMG on this page and save ourselves some time.
31** Roquefort is either Basil's Mycroft or a descendant.
32* And ''WesternAnimation/{{Ratatouille}}''. Make it work!
33
34[[WMG:[[WesternAnimation/TheLittleMermaid1989 Chef Louie]] and [[WesternAnimation/BeautyAndTheBeast Lumiere]] come from the same part of France.]]
35Because it would be funny. Plus, I want to see a FanFic where Belle teaches Ariel how to read/write in "human" English.
36* Makes sense. After all "Be Our Guest" is sung in the same tune as "Les Poissons".
37
38[[WMG:Timon was right]]
39In ''WesternAnimation/ThePrincessAndTheFrog'', [[spoiler:Ray becomes a star when he dies]]. Thus stars in the Disney universe really are fireflies caught in that big bluish black thing.
40
41[[WMG:[[WesternAnimation/TheLionKing1994 They all]] were right]]
42While [[spoiler:Ray and Evangeline might have both been]] fireflies stuck up in the "big bluish black thing", the presence of Mufasa also indicates that Simba was also right, and who's to say that Pumbaa wasn't also right that there's also real stars up there as well.
43
44[[WMG:[[Franchise/TheLittleMermaid King Triton]] is actually [[WesternAnimation/{{Hercules}} Poseidon]].]]
45In the time of ''Hercules'', Poseidon was a member of Zeus' pantheon on Mount Olympus and an ally in the fight against Hades. At some point after that, he fell in love with the mortal mermaid Athena, and offered to make her a God, but she refused to leave her kingdom. Poseidon chose to make himself mortal, placing his power over the seas in the trident he used in ''WesternAnimation/{{The Little Mermaid|1989}}''. By the time Athena died, Poseidon/Triton had grown accustomed to living in the seas and stayed behind to raise his daughters. And yes, this means that Ariel and Hercules are cousins.
46* Triton is in fact the name of Poseidon's son in [[RealLife Real Li-]]er, [[Myth/ClassicalMythology Real Mythology]], who is also a god of the sea. In any case, Triton's trident is of course THE trident of Poseidon, and its powers are of divine origin. (It was probably forged by Hephaestus himself.) Nice family heirloom!
47* Not to mention in the musical, it is specified that Triton and Ursula are children of Poseidon.
48** The series states that Poseidon is his father and Neptune is his grandfather, making ''Triton'' and Hercules cousins and Ariel the first cousin-once-removed of Hercules in all technicalities.
49*** And ultimately Jossed. The Hercules animated series shows a completely different Triton, the mythological one. One who looks more fishlike, much like Poseidon, than merman-like.
50
51[[WMG:Disney Animated Canon takes place in the same universe, which is the original version of the [[Franchise/TheMatrix Matrix]].]]
52The first Matrix was supposed to be a fancy utopia, right? That is why most Disney Animated Canon is so sweet.
53
54[[WMG:Disney's ''Hercules'' and ''Gargoyles'' take place in the same universe.]]
55* When Elisa is put on trial by the New Olympians, a minotaur named Taurus mentions how his ancestor was beaten by a "human hero" with much distaste on the word "hero". In the animated series of Disney's Hercules, Hercules fights with a minotaur in one episode. This minotaur and Taurus (and Proteus impersonating Taurus' father) were all voiced by Michael Dorn.
56
57[[WMG:Dr. Facilier was the grandfather of [[WesternAnimation/TheProudFamily Oscar Proud]].]]
58* The Friends on the Other Side weren't just satisfied with taking Facilier's soul - they decided to curse his descendants as well. Hence why Oscar is the ChewToy in his own universe.
59* Oscar seems to have taken the brunt of the curse, since Suga Mama and Bobby don't appear suffer in anyway. Though Suga Mama's "curse" is having a son she doesn't like or wanted (Oscar), and Bobby's singing not going anywhere (though he doesn't seem to care).
60
61[[WMG:[[WesternAnimation/MeetTheRobinsons Lewis]] is the secret son of [[WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles Mirage and Syndrome]].]]
62Inspired by a post in an forum at the Internet Movie Database. [[WesternAnimation/MeetTheRobinsons Lewis]] does not know who his mother is, but he's sure she had a good reason for dumping him at the orphanage. The reason is: she did it to keep him safe from his father, [[WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles Syndrome]]. Think about it: both Lewis and Syndrome are geniuses, and then there's the hairdo...
63** Except Lewis' mother has a facial structure similar to Franny Robinson.
64** Still possible that Syndrome is the father, and his unnamed mom dropped him off there to protect him.
65
66[[WMG:Scar is the Nemean lion]]
67In other words, ''WesternAnimation/{{The Lion King|1994}}'' takes place shortly before ''Hercules''. Why else was Herc wearing Scar?
68* Scar is eaten alive by hyenas in ''The Lion King'', and cannot be defeated by Hercules, as the film suggests. Also, the Nemean Lion appears in the ''Hercules'' animated series as the child of Echidna, instead of Scar's canon mother, Uru.
69
70[[WMG:The deer in Snow White are WesternAnimation/{{Bambi}}'s ancestors.]]
71They are the first animated Disney deer, so why not?
72
73[[WMG:[[WesternAnimation/BeautyAndTheBeast Belle]] is an ancestor of [[WesternAnimation/{{Tarzan}} Jane]].]]
74First off, the similarities between [[http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/belle-standup.jpg their]] [[http://www.adisney.com/peliculas/tarzan/img/jane.gif dresses]]. Secondly, they both have similar looks. It's very possible that someone from Belle's family married into the (English) Porter family, or moved to England somewhere along the way.
75* Professor Porter did mention an Aunt Isabelle.
76
77[[WMG:[[WesternAnimation/ThePrincessAndTheFrog Evangeline]] is [[WesternAnimation/PeterPan Never Land]].]]
78Never Land is shown as a bright star with a slightly dimmer star to the lower-left. After Ray gets squished, a cloud moves away from Evangeline's star to show a slightly dimmer star to the lower-left.
79
80[[WMG:Pocahontas did not really marry James Rolfe in ''Pocahontas II'']]
81 A time loop made the plot of Pocahontas II moot and transplanted her and Kocoum into modern day Hawaii. Where they married and had two daughters, Nani and Lilo.
82
83[[WMG:''Sleeping Beauty'' and ''Cinderella'' are in the same continuity]]
84The king in ''Cinderella'' bears a strong resemblance to King Hubert and the Grand Duke sorta resembles King Stefan and his majordomo, Lord Duke, in ''Sleeping Beauty''. The princes look rather alike as well (though so does Snow White's prince). Both films took place in France, but in different times. It's not entirely clear when ''Cinderella'' takes place, but ''Sleeping Beauty'' is explicitly in the 14th century and Cinderella is clearly more modern than that. It's possible that the prince and king in Cinderella are descended from Hubert/Phillip's line in ''Sleeping Beauty'', and [[IdenticalGrandson happen to resemble]] their Great*N and Great*N+1 grandfathers respectively. So Cindy becomes distantly related to Aurora by marriage.
85* If we assume Cindy's prince is descended from Aurora and Phillip, it might explain a few coincidental similarities between the stories. Apparently rebelliously wanting to marry for love instead of politics (and wanting grandchildren when you are older) runs in the family. And the similar taste in women. And if we then assume that Cinderella is her prince's Perfect Match and destined soulmate, it opens up a lot of interesting possibilities:
86** Why is Cinderella tormented by an evil woman who is voiced by Eleanor Audley? Because Lady Tremmaine is the reincarnation of Maleficent, and subconsciously wants revenge. So she seeks to make sure that the descendent of her enemies, Aurora and Phillip, never meets his soulmate Cinderella and makes her life a living hell. Lady Tremainne and Maleficent have very similar mannerisms as well, and both possess animal familars.
87** And why does Cinderella suddenly have a FairyGodmother at ''this'' point in her life, when she was certainly miserable many times before? Why, because the Fairies are still looking after Aurora/Phillip's family, and want to ensure a happy ending. At first it looked like the prince would meet Cindy naturally at the ball, but when her dress was unfairly destroyed, supernatural intervention was required.
88*** Looks like the blue fairy won in the end!
89Then that means ''The Little Mermaid'' also takes place in the same continuity because Eric appears to be the 20th or something great grandson of Aurora and Phillip because a picture on the wall which shows.
90
91** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1J0Ek_VdCo There is actually an Indonesian movie where all of this happens, but in reverse!]] Sleeping Beauty is portrayed as the daughter of Cinderella and her Prince, and the wicked witch who cursed the princess is Cinderella's stepmother. The fairies who helped Cinderella are Sleeping Beauty's guardians.
92
93[[WMG:The Beast is Prince Charming's uncle]]
94Prince Adam was the much-younger brother of the King in Cinderella (initially just the Crown Prince), of course). Since Adam was not the heir, when he came of age, he got set up with a castle and and some land in a rural part of France. A few years passed, and then Adam got cursed and became The Beast. 21 more years passes, and everyone assumes that Prince Adam is dead. Then Belle comes along and lifts the curse. They soon marry and are so caught up in each other and the Beast's new-found humanity that they don't even think of Adam's family for a while. When they finally let the King know that his brother is actually alive, his son has just married Cinderella. Prince Adam and Princess Belle will be frequent visitors to the palace and Belle and Cinderella will commiserate over being commoners thrust into royalty by marriage.
95
96Evidence:\
97Both Beauty and the Beast and Cinderella are set in 18th century France. Take a look at the dress styles between the two films. There are a few differences, but a LOT of similarities. The styles in Beauty and the Beast are a little older, but that is explained by Belle living in a "poor, provincial town" where the newest styles would take a ''long'' time to reach and Cinderella lives in Paris, where the latest fashion trends would ''begin''. The styles in the Beast's castle are even older, because they're from 21 years ago, before the curse. If you look at Cinderella's father from the beginning of Cinderella, he's wearing clothes that are very similar to the Beast's ballroom look.
98The Beast being a younger son makes sense because otherwise him being cursed would create a national crisis.
99
100[[WMG:Mulan and Cinderella wore the same jade bead necklace.]]
101It would be a tad complicated to explain how it went from the Fa family to the Tremaines...
102* Via trade and/or war and pillaging?
103
104[[WMG:The reason Belle is seen in "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" is because Belle is reading "The Hunchback of Notre Dame."]]
105Yes, Belle and Quasimodo both live in France, but at very different times. Quasimodo is living in the late Middle Ages, while Belle is in the 1600s or 1700s. So how did Belle get from the Baroque French countryside to Medieval Paris? Her books. Belle is "really" in her own hometown, in her own time period, reading the classic book "The Hunchback of Notre Dame." Though magic, or her own imagination, Belle is literally "sucked into" the book, and sees herself walking through Medieval Paris.
106
107[[WMG:[[WesternAnimation/ThePrincessAndTheFrog Dr. Facilier's]] polymorph magic is based on [[WesternAnimation/TheEmperorsNewGroove Yzma's]] potions.]]
108Because both are a pinkish-purplish color, the powder Facilier used to change Naveen is a powdered version of Yzma's old animal potions. Facilier learned of the location of the ruins of Yzma's "secret lab" and dug out her old notes and any remaining residue.
109
110[[WMG:[[WesternAnimation/BeautyAndTheBeast The Beast]] is descended from [[WesternAnimation/SleepingBeauty Prince Phillip and Princess Aurora]].]]
111Blond hair continued to run in the family and the family just has a way of attracting magical beings.
112
113[[WMG:[[ Anna and Elsa also are related to aurora-Phillip/Beast's family/Cinderlla Charming]].]]
114Anna has a hair colour simliar to that of the Beast and of Cinderella. So if Cinderella and the Beast are related (via marriage) one of the two could have had children with the spouse (or both have children) and maybe down the line somewhere their cousins many time remove marry together and end up having Elsa&Anna
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117[[folder:Three Movies Crossovers]]
118[[WMG:Prince Phillip, Beast and Eric are the same person: the immortal reincarnation of Myth/KingArthur.]]
119We first see Prince Phillip as a young boy, betrothed to Princess Aurora. Their fathers are Kings. Although unnamed in the film, obviously Hubert (Phillip's father) is the King of England or Germany and Stefan (Aurora's father) is the King of France. Phillip and Aurora marry after Phillip kills Maleficent and are happy for many years. Unfortunately Phillip is ageless and outlives Aurora. Grief-stricken, he moves to his family's old castle in France and becomes a cold-hearted, selfish jerk until the Enchantress (possibly one of the Three Good Faeries) turns him into the Beast to teach him a lesson. There he meets Belle, falls in love, changes back, and lives happily again until she, too, dies of old age. After that, he decides to move to the coast and enjoy the seafaring life. This is where he meets Ariel, who becomes human in order to be with him, and Eric forges an alliance with Triton and the Mer-People (powerful allies, indeed). The Prince then reveals his true identity as King Arthur, reclaims Excalibur (aka the Sword of Truth used to kill Maleficent) and reigns wisely and justly with Queen Ariel HappilyEverAfter.
120* That's quite some plastic surgery for the Renaissance - not only facial structure, but skin color and eye color? Wow! Jossed by the opening monologue of ''Beauty and the Beast'', where it specifies that the time limit for the Beast to fall in love is "his twenty-first year," often interpreted as his birthday.
121* His 21st year could easily be interpreted as being a beast for 21 years. And maybe he's actually regenerating rather than simply being immortal, in a similar fashion as [[Series/DoctorWho the doctor]]?
122* Also, you've got the fathers mixed up. Stefan is Aurora's father, and Hubert is Phillip's.
123* This also makes this a four-movie crossover, with "The Sword In The Stone".
124
125[[WMG:The true villains of the Disney Animated Canon are the Heffalumps and Woozles, not Chernabog.]]
126I have always interpreted the Heffalumps and Woozles as horrific [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]]. They terrorize the Disney Animated Canon, possibly taking the form of all of the bizzarre [[DisneyAcidSequence Disney Acid Sequences]]. Chernabog is a mere servant of the Heffalumps and Woozles-the one of them that attacks the dimension we know as RealLife.
127[[/folder]]
128
129[[folder:Massive Multiplayer Crossovers]]
130[[WMG:Every film in the Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon takes place in the same universe]]
131Well, this explains how [[WesternAnimation/LiloAndStitch Stitch]] could appear together with all the other characters.
132* ''Franchise/KingdomHearts''. Duh.
133** Nah, that's an AlternateUniverse of the DAC universe.
134* What about ''WesternAnimation/HouseOfMouse?
135** It's an InnBetweenTheWorlds.
136** Isn't it obvious? That takes place in [[Film/WhoFramedRogerRabbit Toon Town]] in the year 2000!
137*** But Toon Town has WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes toons as well- is the House of Mouse segregated or something?
138*** I'm fairly sure the series says House of Mouse is a "club". If it's a private club, the owners could set whatever membership requirements they want (and thus determine who may eat and watch cartoons there and who may not).
139*** ''Who Framed Roger Rabbit'' IS transparently about racism and segregation, after all.
140* What with ''Film/{{Enchanted}}'', it follows from this that there exist various portals between that universe and ours.
141** That explains how [[WMG/{{Aladdin}} The Genie]] knows about our pop culture.
142** And how the alley cats in ''WesternAnimation/TheAristocats'' know about psychedelic jazz and '60s slang despite living in 1910 Paris.
143* And then there was also that Aladdin/Hercules crossover.
144* We know about them because the portals were discovered during our early explorations of space. Von Braun told Creator/{{Disney}} how to access them when they made those space shows back in the 1950s. Man, this [=WMGing=] is fun.
145** It would logically follow that Disney and Co. set up several of these portals for ordinary people to enter -- the theme parks. Not wanting to give his company secrets away, he made these portals imperfect or looped them every few minutes. To us, we see the new universes fold over their time and again, giving a repetitive ghost image of woman whacking pirates with brooms or a rhino goring adventurers. To them, we appear the same way, as a car of ghosts passing the spot time and again. Because the tampering is imperfect, some areas remain stagnant (such as the Jungle Cruise, relatively unchanged since it started) and others are in a constant state of flux (notably, Haunted Mansion, probably given ectoplasmic interference from that particular universe, and the Carousel of Progress, which uses the flux as its main attraction.). Some rides (such as monorails and trains) have flux capacitors on board, explaining how they can go from 1910 middle America, to 1870 western America and 1990s era cartoon land stations in one trip.
146*** It seems more likely that they see us as either one train of people appearing several times throughout their life/the event, and then reappear later in their time only when we go through the next portal. That, or they don't see us as human at all, just caterpillar-like dense, blurry objects that appear occasionally due to the effect of seeing thousands of ghosts going through the same path at the same time for the same couple of their minutes. That is, thanks to every group passing them at the same time from their perspective, and either erasing all previous groups from the timeline or joining all other groups, past and present.
147
148[[WMG:Every animated series and film takes place in a larger multiverse connected by the prime Creator/{{Disney}} world]]
149The Disney Kingdom consists of all Disney theme parks, or rather, the one you happen to be visiting. (Mickey can't be two places at once, can he?) The Disney Kingdom acts as a conduit between the Disney World (or Disney World Prime) and Earth, although Disney World Prime is a parallel universe very like Earth.
150* The Disney World consists of the main Disney characters featured in various television series. Characters and associated characters include Mickey, Donald, Goofy and Pluto; each have their own associates and locales, just as Spiderman tends to stick with Spiderman characters while the [=X-Men=] stick with X-men characters.
151* Alternate continuities have their own separate universe and are not restricted by older continuity. This includes an alternate Jungle Book (WesternAnimation/TaleSpin), an alternate Franchise/DuckTales (WesternAnimation/QuackPack), an alternate WesternAnimation/DonaldDuck where Donald doesn't abandon the idea of being a superhero (Paperinik, PKNA, and PK Reboot), a Carl Barks/Don Rosa-only version of Duckburg ignoring everything else, a dimension where each animated movie is left intact with no sequel or TV series (maybe), and a version where every sequel and TV series counts.
152* There is a separate universe where the original animated movie never has a {{crossover}} and never cameos anywhere else, and a universe where the characters do cross over. Taking a character from their home dimension creates a separate timeline where they were removed, leaving the original untouched.
153* Live-action movies are part of the multiverse, including ''Film/SongOfTheSouth'', ''Pete's Dragon'', and any other world where an animated character can interact with a live-action character.
154* Live-action adaptations such as 101 Dalmatians have their own dimension but are unaware of their animated counterpart.
155* In order for an animated movie character to appear alongside a Disney World character, it must hop dimensions to either Earth or the Disney World, making a crossover appearance such as ''Film/WhoFramedRogerRabbit'' or ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'', which are conduit dimensions where two or more universes can connect.
156* Toon Town is a dimensional conduit; parts of it exist on Disney World Prime and on Earth in several theme parks, allowing interdimensional travel. It also allows travel from the Warner Bros. universe, Woody Woodpecker, and the Bonkers Earth and Bonkers toon world (which is likely its original world). It may include Toontown Online.
157* It's unknown if these dimensions resemble Earth from being a variation of our Earth, or if our Earth is a variation of one or more of them.
158* Also, WesternAnimation/KimPossible, the ''WesternAnimation/{{Recess}}'' kids, [[WesternAnimation/AmericanDragonJakeLong Jake Long]] and WesternAnimation/TheProudFamily all appeared on WesternAnimation/LiloAndStitchTheSeries.
159
160[[WMG:Prince Charming is another member of Robert A. Heinlein's [[TheWorldAsMyth Howard Families.]]]]
161He possesses the genetic makeup needed to remain young for hundreds, or possibly thousands of years, like Lazarus Long. There's a solid chance that he may just ''be'' Lazarus Long.
162* Is Prince Charming a redhead? Lazarus is.
163** Ever hear of hair dye?
164* The Charmings could just be descendants of one another. Ariel most likely married the great grandson (at least) of the Charming from Sleeping Beauty.
165** Sleeping Beauty's prince was named Phillip. Snow White's might have been a Charming.
166*** Phillip Charming?
167* Has it ever occurred to anybody that "Charming" is a very common name in the Disney Verse, ala Smith? Or that since they are all medieval Europe Monarchs, they're probably all related?
168** WordOfGod says only Cinderella's prince is Prince Charming. Aurora's is Phillip and Ariel's is Eric. Snow White's prince is officially just The Prince (right down to his signature in [[Ride/DisneyThemeParks the parks]].) The Beast is unnamed. Some people like to think he's called Adam, but WordOfGod (as well as the parks) says he has never been named.
169*** {{Fanon}} has it that Snow White prince's name is Ferdinand.
170*** Also, none of the princes are ever actually identified in the movies as being named "Charming" (unless you count Snow White saying "everyone could see that the prince was charming", but she could've been using the adjective).
171
172[[WMG:The feature films take place in the same universe as Disney's TV cartoons.]]
173Particularly those from WesternAnimation/TheDisneyAfternoon Era. It's a little harder to figure the same in the case of most of the One Saturday Morning Era or Modern Era TV cartoons, due to their different art styles (with the possible exceptions of ''WesternAnimation/{{Recess}}'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheProudFamily'' from the One Saturday Morning Era and ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible'' and ''WesternAnimation/AmericanDragonJakeLong'' from the Modern Era, due to their crossovers with ''WesternAnimation/LiloAndStitchTheSeries''). But what cements this theory is the mere fact that [[WesternAnimation/PeterPan Captain Hook]] once had a swordfight with [[WesternAnimation/TaleSpin Don Karnage]] on ''WesternAnimation/RawToonage''.
174
175[[WesternAnimation/ThePrincessAndTheFrog fic listed below is true. All of it.]]
176[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6301605/1/Fairytales This]] fic. For those of you for whom this is tl;dr, [[https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Fairytales2_4811.jpg this]] image.
177* Most of those characters have unofficial or not-widely-known official names. The Queen from Sleeping Beauty is Leah, the Beast is Adam, the Prince from Snow White is Ferdinand, the Evil Queen is Grimhilde, Cinderella's Prince is literally named Charming.
178** Really? Cool~ The "artwork" is all based off of what the fic calls them, though... Um, curious, but where did you get that info? (Is genuinely curious).
179*** Various Disney books and interviews, which I don't think I'll be able to compile. If you look up the names individually, I'm sure you'll be able to find their sources. The only one I distinctly remember is we get "Leah" from one of Sleeping Beauty's children's books. Adam and Charming are very official, Grimhilde I think is a fan nickname, and Ferdinand is the name I think they called him in development, but it's not the official name (they just say "The Prince").
180*** Thank you~ That is so cool! XD
181*** Sleeping Beauty's name is definitely ''not'' Leah. Watch the movie. Her name is Aurora. She also goes by Briar Rose.
182*** ''Not'' Sleeping Beauty/Aurora/Briar Rose- her ''mother''. ^_^
183** Cinderella's Prince is not really named Charming (or at best it's a recent RetCon): the 1971 TV special ''Disney on Parade'' gives us his name as "His Royal Highness Prince Otto August Ferdinand".
184
185[[WMG:Chernabog operates like Chaos from ''Manga/SailorMoon'' and most or all of the Disney villains are just his incarnations]]
186I just thought about this theory last night while reading about Chaos. Since Chernabog looks alot like Chaos AND is a god of darkness, I would assume that most or all of the Disney Villains are his incarnations, planning to rule the worlds in his name. The Horned King, Maleficent, Jafar, Ursula, Queen Grimhilde, Hades, and Oogie Boogie being examples.
187
188[[WMG:During the Franchise/DisneyPrincess sub-line]]
189All of the male characters sit in the [[WesternAnimation/{{Tangled}} Snuggly Duckling]] playing cards, drinking, and wondering when the hell ''their'' movie is coming out.
190* Those who have to make a token appearance in his wife's movie has to buy the next round before they leave.
191
192[[WMG:Select characters in Disney/PIXAR subconsciously know judo.]]
193Because why the heck not.
194Examples being:
195* Simba and Nala, for the [[http://judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/tomoenage.htm Tomoe Nage]] which gave Nala her edge when she was pinning Simba, and which Simba used to defeat Scar.
196* Woody, for the [[http://judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/ogoshi.htm O Goshi]] which he uses in the [[WhatCouldHaveBeen Black Friday Reel]] to throw Buzz out the window.
197
198[[WMG:All Disney characters live in the same continuity, and they're all Canadian.]]
199[[http://youtu.be/FuXePBkPBvg This film and others prove it.]]
200
201[[WMG:Disney Princess surnames]]
202The ones who are legitimately born princesses may have no need of a surname. Fa Mulan is one of few to be addressed with her surname. Pocahontas' tribe had no use for surnames, but she probably took on the name "Rolfe" after their marriage. Cinderella's surname would logically be Tremaine. Widows (like her stepmother) usually keep their late husband's name, particularly if it came with property and a title. Lord Tremaine probably adopted Anastasia and Drusilla for them to have the name as well. Merida introduces herself as being of clan [=DunBroch=]. Either this or [=MacFergus=] could do as a surname. Belle seems to be living in provincial France in the late 17th or early 18th century, (going by fashion and technology) a time and place where surnames were common, but it seems like no one uses them. Tiana is in 1920's USA and her friend Charlotte La Bouff has a surname. Unfortunately, her father wears a dress uniform in his photo, so it's impossible to tell even from that what the family's surname is. Suggestions for Belle and Tiana's names: Tiana Broussard (Very common surname in Louisiana) Belle Delachamp ("of the field" in French). Last names not being used much in 14/15th century France not being common? Please it might not be common for girls, but you do notice that the villain is only refered too by his last name by people who aren't him . ie. "Monsieur Gaston" by the love-stricken girls and its referred again later "Madame Gaston" in Belle reprise. That means Gaston IS his last name.
203:The live-action remake josses Cinderella having the same surname as her stepfamily; Elenor's first husband was named Francis Tremaine.
204
205[[WMG:There will eventually be a CrisisCrossover movie sometime in the near future.]]
206
207[[WMG:Disney Characters' Religious Beliefs]]
208Feel free to add your own...
209* Snow White
210** Roman Catholic. The movie seems to take place in a Germany-ish area in a medieval-ish time period, so Roman Catholicism seems the most obvious answer
211* Belle
212** Jewish. Based off a WMG on the respective page, she and her father are both highly educated compared to the rest of the town, a town which shuns them.
213*** Josser, considering that her family celebrated Christmas and she helps un-forbid it in Beast's castle. So, Catholic.
214* Hercules
215** Well, duh...
216* Elsa
217** Irreligious. Raised Lutheran, she progressively lost faith as her powers consumed her, believing that no God would give her this curse, or at least not a loving one.
218*** But her line "''Heaven'' knows I tried" during "Let It Go" shows she does have some religious beliefs, even at that low-point of her life. Most likely she always knew God never hated her for being born with powers; it is only ''people'' who are hateful and bigotted. In any case, from the looks of the religious figure who crowns Elsa, Arendelle probably is (and Elsa was raised) Lutheran, Anglican or Catholic.
219* Merida
220** Celtic Deities
221** Roman Catholic. Depends when her movie takes place. It's quite ambiguous...
222* Aladdin
223** Could be any Abrahamic religion, but most likely Islam given the setting. The Sultan notably uses the phrase "''Allah'' forbid you have any daughters..." at a certain point. In Arab "Allah" means (a monotheistic) God, but contrary to most people thinking only Muslims use this word, Christian Arab-speaking people use the same word for God.
224* Aurora
225** Catholic. It takes place in the Middle Ages (most fans pinpoint it at about 1100 A.D.), in a European country (mostly pinpointed to be France). I have study history and Prince Phillip states that they're in the 14th century which would actually make it 1300 AD (or CE) if it was the 1100 AD/CE it would be the 12th century. It because the Romans who invented the years had 1-99 be year 1st Century, 100-199 be [=2nd=] century, 200-299= [=3rd century=], 300-399= [=4th century=]. For instance the time where WWI and WWII happened? Was in the 20th century even though for the years it was 1900-1999. And if you watch Murdoch Mysteries the first several seasons happened in the 19th century even though they were in the late 1800s.
226
227* Moana
228** Indigenous / polytheistic / animistic. The setting is Polynesian islands, about 1000 B.C.E., so this makes sense. Within the story itself it's clearly explained there are multiple God(desse)s and how they created the world and life.
229* Ariel
230** A confusing one. Her father is King Triton, which heavily references Poseidon, the God of the Sea within the Greek polytheistic religions. However, the story itself must be taking place in either Denmark (if you go on the origins of the [[Creator/HansChristianAndersen fairy tale the Disney movie was inspired on]]) or in the Caribbean (if you look at the wildlife and landscapes), so Greek religion doesn't seem at place. And then there's the fact that when Ariel marries her human love interest, they're married by what seems to be a bishop or a reverend--apparently the humans in this universe are Christian/Catholic, and the mermaids polytheistic/pagan.
231* Mulan
232** Confucianism. Seeing how important ancestors and adhering to social norms are, and the setting of China...
233* Pocahontas
234** Indigenous / pantheistic / pagan: As she tells John in "Colors of the Wind", Pocahontas (and her people) mostly feel spirituality in their connection to nature / their lands.
235* Quasimodo
236** Catholic, obviously. Most of it takes place in a church, and archbishop plays a big role, and though Frollo was changed to a judge in this adaptation, in the original book he was a priest. As for Esmeralda and the Gypsies in general, it's ambiguous; they could either follow another (pagan?) religion or be Catholic as well.
237[[/folder]]
238
239[[folder:The Aristocats]]
240[[WMG:[[WesternAnimation/TheAristocats Thomas O'Malley]] is Toulouse's biological father.]]
241He is the same color. He has an obsession with being an alley cat. His eyes are green - a combination of Duchess' blue and O'Malley's yellow (yes, I know genetics doesn't work that way, but this is ''Disney''). And finally, after Thomas jumps on the truck with Marie, he asks Duchess, "Have we met before?" This is taken as humorous and flirtatious, but it could have been serious.
242* Or it still could've been flirtatious and Thomas could be trying to get back with her.
243
244[[WMG:Edgar died when he arrived in Timbuktu.]]
245This would lead to an unseen DisneyVillainDeath.
246[[/folder]]
247
248[[folder:Bambi]]
249[[WMG:One of Thumper's sisters died during the winter.]]
250In the 1942 original movie, Thumper had five sisters. But in ''WesternAnimation/{{Bambi}} II'', he only has four. Given that rabbits are prime prey in the forest, it could be possible that one of Thumper's sisters was eaten, killed by Man, or starved during the winter.
251
252This would probably explain Thumper's parents emphasizing family.
253[[/folder]]
254
255[[folder:Who killed Bambi's Mom?]]
256[[WMG:Gaston is the hunter who killed Bambi's mother]]
257This is WordOfDante from someone currently at Creator/{{Disney}}.
258But judging by the wildlife, Bambi clearly takes place in America, while "Beauty" is clearly in France. Although...perhaps "Beauty" is set in ''New'' France (aka Quebec) when it was still a French colony.
259* This is impossible. There have never been such castles as the Beast's anywhere in Canada.
260* There is evidence that Bambi is a European deer, not an American one.
261* Gaston's residence is not necessarily relevant. For all we know, he could have just taken a vacation to wherever ''Bambi'' is set.
262** Hmm. Spending a year in the New World, clashing with brutal savages, tracking fearsome new beasts...it certainly sounds like the sort of thing that would appeal to Gaston.
263* In the Felix Salton book, Bambi takes place along the Danube river.
264* "No one kills Bambi's mom like Gaston."
265* But what i could tell from the hunter's tent, it looks like this film is set in modern times.
266
267[[WMG:[[Film/ThortheDarkWorld Malekith]] killed Bambi's mother.]]
268He killed her and was mistaken by the animals to be human.
269[[WMG:[=Deadpool=] is the hunter that killed Bambi's mother.]]
270Disney owns Marvel now, and so this is a {{Retcon}} is just waiting to happen. [[RunningGag Besides, she was in season and tasted good smoked or made into sausage.]]
271
272[[WMG:Judge Doom is the hunter who killed Bambi's mother]]
273Another theory offered by Disney.
274* This was offered in the original script of Film/WhoFramedRogerRabbit: Roger asks Eddie if he knows which of the Toons killed his brother, and Eddie responds, "Probably the same guy who killed Bambi's mom." But it isn't canon because Eddie's comment never made it to the final release and it probably was a DeadpanSnarker line anyway.
275* It takes place in a universe where all cartoons are portrayed by immortal actors, seemingly assuming that all cartoon characters are the slapstick kind. So wouldn't that kind of imply that ''Bambi'' ''isn't'' one of those kind of cartoons and, instead, really happened? I prefer the Gaston theory because of this. The idea of Bambi's mom being killed by something like a paintball gun, except (ironically) filled with paint thinner-like Dip is just... meh.
276** Well, he had to test the dip to something. Seeing he's a sadistic monster, killing a poor, cute fawn's mother sounds exactly like something he would do...
277
278[[WMG:Judge Doom and Gaston were having a hunting contest on the day Bambi's mother was killed]]
279Neither of them knows which of them fired the fatal shot that took her down. Considering it's BAMBI'S MOM, they've been accusing each other of the act ever since.
280
281[[WMG:[[WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes Elmer Fudd]] killed Bambi's mother]]
282He was aiming for the wabbit, but missed.
283
284[[WMG:The original [[Franchise/StarWars Stormtrooper]] killed Bambi's mother.]]
285* It's a known fact that all Stormtroopers are clones, and that they can't shoot the broad-side of a barn. None of them want to kill another living thing after seeing how killing affected the life of a young deer.
286** As with the Deadpool example above, Disney bought Lucasfilm, and Star Wars with it. Hence, this is just begging to be retconned.
287
288[[WMG:The one who really killed Bambi's mother was [[spoiler:[[JustForFun/TimeLord a Time]] [[Series/DoctorWho Lord]].]]]]
289Because It was all part of an elaborate BatmanGambit on his part.
290
291[[WMG:[[Franchise/StreetFighter M.Bison]] killed Bambi's mother.]]
292Becuase for him it was [[ButForMeItWasTuesday Monday.]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8_9F0GoWkE and more proof.]]
293
294[[WMG:An ordinary person killed Bambi's mother.]]
295Not any villain, hero, ect, but just some guy who decided to hunt a deer. [[ObliviouslyEvil He likely had no idea of the impact it would have]], plus people have gone hunting for rather ambivalent reasons.
296
297[[WMG:[[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIII Connor]] killed Bambi's mother and the Man who supposedly did it is an unrelated character.]]
298Now bare in mind that I have not seen Bambi for years so I might have gotten this wrong (point is, if there's a hole don't be upset with me.) I'm not sure if her remains were found so this could be plausible. So in a way, Connor would have unintentionally put Bambi through the same trauma Charles Lee put him through.
299And if this were true, then even if the hunters that burnt the forest survived. Connor would probably have killed them... I doubt he'd have let them get away with starting a forest fire, given his beliefs.
300
301[[WMG:[[Literature/TheHungerGames Katniss Everdeen]] killed Bambi's mother.]]
302* Because, why not? She left her bow at home in favor of a rifle and there you have it.
303
304[[WMG:The Horned king from ''The Black Cauldron'' killed Bambi's mother.]]
305* Because the idea of this somehow happening amuses me.
306
307[[WMG:The Huntsman from Snow White killed Bambi's Mother.]]
308Because he needed a heart to give to The Evil Queen
309** She called it "The heart of a pig". Not sure how she knew it was a pig's heart on sight or why she never bothered looking until she asked the mirror who the fairest one of all was.
310
311[[WMG:Rocket Racoon indirectly killed Bambi's Mother]]
312He was escaping the facility where he was turned into what he is now, It is possible his captors we're humanoid, and while trying to shoot Rocket, they accidentally shot Bambi's mother
313** The reason the characters from Bambi were there was so they could also be experimented on, these experiments were done so they can evolve the animals to a human-like form, creating the world(s) of ''WesternAnimation/RobinHood1973'' and ''WesternAnimation/{{Zootopia}}''.
314
315[[WMG:[[VideoGame/RedDeadRedemption John Marston]] killed Bambi's mother]]
316Well, deer can be hunted in the game, and I remember a moment where my sister and I think one of them could be Bambi's mother.
317[[/folder]]
318
319[[folder:Beauty and the Beast]]
320[[WMG:Gaston is the Beast's bastard older half-brother and is conspiring to conceal the relation.]]
321Think about it. Gaston is clearly a noted hotshot around the village. He walks around as if he owns it, spends his time hunting, drinking at the tavern, and wenching, and he's well-outfitted. He's the only character you see with a musket- or rather, any firearm apart from Cogsworth's pistol. He's an absolute spoiled brat like the Beast is, and he appears to be a bit older than human!Beast. When the Beast holds him over the rooftops, he seems to recognize Gaston. (It's usually attested to Belle not wanting the Beast to hurt anyone, but it could easily be interpreted as Beast recognizing Gaston too) As a hunter, he would have to know the woods around the village and castle. There is no way that he could not have stumbled upon the castle- and he was able to lead the villagers to it suspiciously easily. Therefore, he was likely concealing its existence. Why? He's somehow related to the Beast- probably an older bastard half-brother. Denied of his true rank and inheritance, he was sent off into some sort of exile while the Beast was lauded as the true heir until the enchantress bespelled him and the castle and the servants. Gaston hears about this and about the time limit, and decides to wait until the Beast was permanently trapped in his monstrous form before rallying his followers and seizing the castle and rule for himself. Maurice's 'ravings' about a castle inhabited by a Beast and Belle's tenure there (and her support of and obvious affection for the Beast) forces him to accelerate his plans while simultaneously giving him a chance to be the hero.
322* I always thought that the Beast not hurting gaston was the latter's pleading-- probably something the Beast did when he was face to face with the Enchantress. He knows the pain of one's pleas falling on deaf ears, so he shows Gaston mercy. We all know how that turned out, though...
323
324[[WMG:Only the objects with faces in ''Beauty and the Beast'' were humans.]]
325Did you SEE "Be Our Guest"? Did you SEE "Human Again"? There is no way in hell that the castle had that many people in it. My guess is that the objects with faces were human and everything else was just brought to life. The movie never specified HOW enchanted the castle was.
326
327[[WMG:Gaston is the ancestor of Captain Hammer from [[WebVideo/DoctorHorriblesSingAlongBlog Dr. Horrible]].]]
328They're both [[JerkJock macho jerks]] who enjoy persecuting the scientifically-minded, wear gloves over bare arms, and have fangirl trios following them around.
329[[/folder]]
330
331[[folder:Cinderella]]
332[[WMG:The glass slipper is...]]
333...magic. That's why it wouldn't fit anyone else in the kingdom. It magically only fits Cinderella- no matter ''what''.
334
335[[WMG:The events in the second movie in the Cinderella verse never happened. Ever.]]
336Well, as long as you look at the third movie as canon. (Spoilers (?) for all three movies).
337# Anastasia was in love with the baker, and with the baker at the end of C2.
338# Anastasia was not with the baker, nor was she in love with the baker in C3, ergo C2 is false.
339* We know that the Baker scene in C2 cannot have happened in C3, because by then Lady Tremaine and Druzella had been punished to live as servants, and would not have had the control over Anastasia's life as they did in C2. Using all of this (and the fact that C3 is a bit better than C2), we can determine that C2 NEVER HAPPENED. (And there was MUCH rejoicing).
340** Jossed. In the end credits of Cinderella 3 you can see the baker with Anastasia. So it's still canon.
341*** I'm not saying that Anastasia doesn't ever get with the Baker- I'm arguing that, if she does, it's a whole new separate timeline in a world where Cinderella 2 doesn't exist. After all, Anastasia managed to redeem herself at the end, so it's possible that she would not be punished as severely- or maybe she was made to do "community service" by working in a certain bakery... ^_^
342*** I always just assumed the second movie is set after the third, or at least the last part of it is.
343
344[[WMG:Lady Tremaine was tortured after the film]]
345It is set in a time when torture was legal, right?
346[[/folder]]
347
348[[folder:Duck Tales]]
349[[WMG:The Junior Woodchucks Guidebook from ''Franchise/DuckTales'' is a proto [[Franchise/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy Hitchhiker's Guide]]]]
350It seems to have an insane amount of information on very improbably ranges of subjects, from Martian technology to any given major celestial events in the past 3,000 years - with some funny exceptions (such as not having Dragon entries - 'because Dragons do not exist).
351** According to Don Rosa it's [[spoiler:the Library of Alexandria in single-book form, which makes little sense considering how much modern-day knowledge it contains ...]]
352*** Actually, it's [[spoiler:the condensed wisdom of ''all'' the greatest libraries of the last 2,000 years- Alexandria was just the first, with each successive library passing on their most important information]].
353** Not if a [[Series/DoctorWho Time Lord]] wrote it.
354[[/folder]]
355
356[[folder:Dumbo]]
357[[WMG:The Pink Elephants represent Nazi Germany]]
358The little elephant getting spirited away by the elephants represents the Jews, and the humanoid made of elephant heads is Hitler. also the camel turning into the snake is Italy.
359* ''Dumbo'' was made before America entered World War II, so Disney would not have cared enough to bother with WWII symbolism. However, speaking of that scene...
360
361[[WMG:Dumbo and Timothy died of alcohol poisoning after that extreme hallucination.]]
362* I mean, if the alcohol was EXTREEEEME enough to cause that hallucination in the first place, it could happen. Also, Dumbo is able to fly afterward because he's an angel in Heaven. They get to be famous because it's exactly what they both seemed to want. Paradise.
363** And it becomes even weirder if you say that the crows (only appearing after the hallucination scene) are the souls of the gentlemen who set up the circus earlier in the film. They finally got worked to death in a literal sense.
364[[/folder]]
365
366[[folder:Enchanted]]
367[[WMG:The reason that Edward and Nancy from ''Film/{{Enchanted}}'' fall in love so fast is because of The Tradition.]]
368[[GenreSavvy The Tradition]] is a force that causes people to live out their lives the way that stories tell them to. Giselle and Edward (and really all other Disney Princesses) fall in love because of The Tradition. However, when Giselle leaves for the 'real world' The Tradition's hold loosens on her until she is no longer in love with Edward. The lingering after affects however, are what cause Giselle to cause the magic by singing effect. By the end of the movie, The Tradition is trying to get a 'Happily Ever After' from anybody, but Giselle is not complying. As a last resort The Tradition takes its hold on Edward (who has not been in the 'real world' as long as Giselle) and has him put the shoe on Nancy ala Cinderella. She doesn't really 'love' him, not at first, but she's willing to go with him because there is nothing left for her. Once they travel through the portal, however, Nancy and Edward fall in love because Edward put the shoe on Nancy's foot.
369[[/folder]]
370
371[[folder:Fantasia]]
372[[WMG:[[WesternAnimation/{{Fantasia}} Chernabog]] is a free JerkassGenie]]
373Think about it: His body type looks a lot like the Genie's. Assuming the former theory is taken into consideration, a lot of the deals he makes and the powers he grants are in line with what Genie could do. Assuming Disney doesn't want Satan running around their universe, he could be an earlier Genie who conned his way into freedom with significantly less noble intentions than Aladdin's Genie.
374
375[[WMG:[[WesternAnimation/{{Fantasia}} Chernabog]] is Kronos]]
376In the beginning of ''Hercules'', we saw Zeus seal away the Titans in an underground vault. But Zeus' father, the mad deity, was never mentioned. Zeus sealed the elemental Titans away in a secure place, but for his father, a monster if there ever was one, he created an even more secure prison, deep inside the underworld. Since then, Kronos has grown in power by collecting evil souls, evolving into an all-powerful God of evil for Disney - but still trapped within his son's prison.
377
378[[WMG:Chernabog is a WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyle|s}}.]]
379Think about it. Horns? Check. Wings? Check. Glowing eyes? Check. Appears at night and becomes dormant during the day? Big check. Made of stone? He's made of a fucking MOUNTAIN.
380
381[[WMG:Chernabog is Peg Leg Pete from the WesternAnimation/OswaldTheLuckyRabbit era, and MadeOfEvil EldritchAbomination.]]
382The Peg Leg Pete in the black and white Steamboat Willie is the one that went to [[VideoGame/EpicMickey the Cartoon Wasteland.]] The original Pete(a bear instead of a cat) tried to escape falling into Limbo, only to end up reduced to the ink that he's made of. When Disney decided to make the first villain, what was left of the original Pete absorbed her when she died. Thus, Chernabog was born. A foaming mess of corrupted ink, Chernabog is the essence of the very first villain the studio made. Many of the powerful Disney villains, specifically movie villains, all derive their dark powers(and sometimes their very existence) from the guy. Chernabog consciously fights against all that is good ForTheEvulz, but subconsciously is trying to get back at them for abandoning him. Ironically, placing himself as the ultimate evil has changed the narrative nature of the series to BlackAndWhiteMorality and screwing up his plans. He hates the light because of being from the black and white era of cartoon animation and his inky body is sensitive to it. He doesn't speak because it was before speaking movies.
383
384[[WMG:Chernabog is an example of {{Dark is Not Evil}}.]]
385Chernabog is not shown doing anything evil.
386
387[[WMG:Chernabog is female.]]
388Her/his gender is never stated, so why should assume Chernabog is a male?
389* The fact that we see his bare chest, which, unlike the prominent breasts of the harpies in the same sequence, is obviously a male's?
390[[/folder]]
391
392[[folder:The Fox and The Hound]]
393[[WMG:The [[BearsAreBadNews bear]] is not a normal bear.]]
394The forest itself is [[GeniusLoci sentient]]. Humans promised to not hunt in it, and it perceived Amos Slade as breaking that promise. The bear is the forest's top enforcer and it [[GaiasVengeance specifically attacked Slade for poaching]].
395[[/folder]]
396
397[[folder:The Great Mouse Detective]]
398[[WMG:The Mice in ''WesternAnimation/TheGreatMouseDetective'' are the earliest form of [[WesternAnimation/TheSecretOfNIMH the N.I.M.H project]]]]
399They are extremely intelligent mice, wearing human-like clothing, and lacked the BambooTechnology of the typical MouseWorld settings. But most bizarrely, the likes of Basil, Dawson, and Rattigan are near-perfect replicas of identifiable human counterparts. Perhaps during the advances in chemistry and biology (of course, we're assuming a Gaslight Punk setting here), a test group of mice were given ways of having human-like intelligence and personalities and escaped, but many of the Mice and Rats were far more impressionable then others and unconsciously impressed themselves upon certain human figures. Others just adapted themselves from bits and pieces they picked up.
400
401[[WMG:Dawson is an UnreliableNarrator. The case in ''WesternAnimation/TheGreatMouseDetective'' didn't happen.]]
402This case is merely a sham concocted by Dawson to cover up Basil's addiction to cocaine and subsequent raving hallucinations about his former mathematics teacher Professor Ratigan. Seriously, a plot to assassinate the queen with a steam-powered robot double built by a toy maker? Please.
403
404In reality, the kidnapping was a much less sensational case which Basil solved very quickly. The movie ended sometime before the end of the scene where Basil is introduced, with the premature solution to Olivia's case omitted. The rest of the film (until the very end when Dawson is invited to live with Basil) is entirely imaginary.
405
406See ''The Seven-Per-Cent Solution'' for more information.
407
408On a related note:
409[[WMG:In the entire scene in which he is introduced, Basil is under the influence of cocaine.]]
410He bursts in like a loony, fires a gun into a pile of pillows, compares the bullet with an earlier bullet he had found, and finds that they... do not match. He then crashes into a depressive funk and plays the violin until Dawson's "touch-ups" of the story begin (See above WMG), where he is suddenly lucid. Obviously, he found the bullets and gun off the street and his addled mind linked them to his imaginary nemesis Professor Ratigan. He also probably hallucinated that wicked VillainSong.
411
412[[WMG:Ratigan is a mouse/rat hybrid.]]
413He lashes out whenever someone calls him a rat, which he looks like in the movie. However, in the "Basil of Baker Street" books, the professor was actually a mouse. By combining the book and the movie, one can infer that his mother was a mouse; his father, a rat. No wonder Padraic keeps himself alone.
414* The moviemakers most probably made him a rat to avoid confusion: he was called Ratigan, and announcing that he's a mouse would only confuse the viewers and not add anything important. But the WMG is good in that MalignedMixedMarriage, HalfBreedDiscrimination and some combination thereof is an appropriate background for a villain.
415[[/folder]]
416
417[[folder:Hercules]]
418[[WMG:Myth/ClassicalMythology is accurate in the world of ''WesternAnimation/{{Hercules}}''.]]
419The Muses are just {{Unreliable Narrator}}s. And they seem to be in a modern-day museum, so that explains how they picked up R&B gospel and all the current references. They just updated the story because that's what they do -- they're basically the goddesses of storytelling, right? And they're only five of them because four wouldn't go along with it, so they kicked them out.
420* That would explain why Athens looks like New York and why some characters use Yiddish slang and / or have New York accents - it's obviously a museum in New York.
421
422[[WMG:Unless someone has made a deal with him, Hades is not allowed to directly affect (eg hurt/maim/kill) the living.]]
423Hades is way too smart not [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim to just shoot Hercules]]. Sure, he may have done the first attempt with the Hydra for laughs, but after that failed, why didn't Hades just go whack Hercules himself? He certainly has the power. Answer: Unless a person is dead or has made a deal with him, Hades is not allowed to directly hurt them. Hence, why he always has Pain and Panic, Megara, or a MonsterOfTheWeek acting in his place. This may have been a stipulation that was made when Zeus made Hades Lord of the Dead. And seeing how well Hades plays with others, it was probably a good idea.
424
425[[WMG:The events of the Disney film were the result of Hercules [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong setting right what once went wrong.]]]]
426In relation to the theory above, Myth/ClassicalMythology was indeed accurate, but not in the same timeline as the movie. The Hercules of the myths wanted to save his first and most loved wife (Megara) so he asked the Fates to reweave the Tapestry of Fate so that Zeus doesn't know that Hera (or any of the original female gods) is his sister, which saved a lot of grief all across Greece. (You would be pretty inclined to cheat on your wife too if she was your sister; the other gods followed his example.) Sort of like the fortunate equivalent of DisasterDominoes or perhaps [[VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry Matsuribayashi-hen]].
427
428[[WMG:If Hercules hadn't become mortal at the end of the movie, some bad shit would have gone down.]]
429Hercules swore that he would trade himself for Meg at the climax of the film. However, as WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick points out, Hercules doesn't keep his word. If he had gone on to be a Deity in the film, this could have had disastrous consequences. Yeah, let's go with that. However, he never specified to Hades ''when'' he would become "his". When Hercules refuses his Godhood, and becomes mortal, he has consigned himself to dying and entering the Underworld, thus by keeping his word. Eventually.
430
431[[WMG:Hercules replaces Hades as god of the dead]]
432
433[[WMG:Hades suffers from a bad case of [[CainAndAbel sibling rivalry.]] ]]
434After they locked up the Titans, Hades thought he'd get the position of King of The Gods, due to his skilled intellect and generally classy nature. Zeus got the job, and millennia of upstaging and being mocked by the mortal world has [[WhosLaughingNow turned him evil]].
435[[/folder]]
436
437[[folder:Mickey and Minnie/Disney Classics]]
438[[WMG:The real reason why Mickey and Minnie aren't married...]]
439...is because Mickey has the hots for all the Princesses.
440
441How did that happen? After visiting Disney World, seeing the Princess floats in the Main Street Parade all pass in order, seeing Mickey's float and hearing this quote (he says it with a flirty tone, too - also, paraphrasing): "Didja see all those princesses?" Then adds quickly, "No one like my Minnie though!"
442
443Why'd he date Minnie for so long? He didn't want to have his fame crash and burn over bestiality charges.
444* Mickey wants to marry a princess because of the perks of being royalty. True, he's made millions upon millions in merchandising alone; perhaps he became a [[WesternAnimation/SouthPark money-hungry]] jerk over the years who wants a crown to be adorned upon his head. Also, what stopped Jessica from marrying Roger Rabbit (even if only he made her laugh) despite being different species?
445** The Princesses probably want in on the Mouse's money, too.
446*** He [[Franchise/KingdomHearts IS royalty]].
447*** Um... actually, only by marriage - it's implied that Mickey became King through Minnie; she's a Princess in the Land of the Musketeers and probably became Queen. This explains why she stays behind at Disney Castle - it's ''her'' castle. She rules it, Mickey is just King Consort or has the crown matrimonial - he can rule after she dies - thus allowing him to go off in the middle of the night like he did.
448
449[[WMG:Mickey and Minnie ARE married.]]
450They just keep up the youthful appearance of being boyfriend and girlfriend to appeal to each new generation.
451
452What with all the various stories and places and time periods they've been in, it's possible to say that they married each other in each one, but we just never got to see it.
453
454They were clearly married in ''Mickey's Christmas Carol'' and ''Franchise/KingdomHearts''.
455
456Then after the happy ending, someone pressed the ResetButton, and ''poof!'' they're back to square one. Donald Duck and Pete are prime suspects here.
457
458And besides, why would [[MarsNeedsWomen a mouse find a human princess attractive anyway]]?
459* We're three caballeros, three gay caballeros...
460
461TruthInTelevision: The previous voice actor to Mickey was married to the current voice actor of Minnie. They're the only people in the world who know what Mickey and Minnie sound like having sex.
462
463[[WMG:The classic characters (Mickey, Minnie etc) are of a species capable of [[Series/DoctorWho Regeneration]]]]
464This explains why their appearances have changed over the decades.
465
466[[WMG:Gastly is biologically similar to the classic characters]]
467His appearance has changed very much over the years.
468
469[[WMG:Mickey Mouse is a robot]]
470There's a similar theory for Sonic (Dr. Eggman is a [[WesternAnimation/BeastWars Predacon]]!), so why not?
471[[/folder]]
472
473[[folder:Mulan]]
474[[WMG:The reason the ancestors cannot awaken the Great Stone Dragon is because he already left with Mulan.]]
475In "Mulan," the ancestors try to send the Great Stone Dragon, the family's most powerful guardian spirit, to retrieve Mulan before she can join the Imperial Army disguised as a man. Only when Mushu goes to wake up the Great Stone Dragon, the damn lazy beast won't wake up and the statue accidentally crumbles. Mulan had spent the night before huddled under the statue, and in the morning had left to join the Army. I am of the opinion that the Great Stone Dragon could not be awakened because he wasn't there; instead, he was invisibly watching over and guiding Mulan on her quest to protect her father.
476
477[[WMG:In ''WesternAnimation/{{Mulan}}'', Mushu ''was'' the spirit of the Great Stone Dragon.]]
478He and the ancestors just got used to him being corporeal and hanging around the other spirits in a weakened state for so long that the original ancestors who knew him as the Great Stone Dragon had all gone to their rest. The more recent ones misunderstood, thinking he was the one to wake the great stone dragon instead of the ''awakened'' great stone dragon.
479
480By then, Mushu had been treated like garbage for so long that he was thinking it was just his fantasy to be the Dragon.
481[[/folder]]
482
483[[folder:Peter Pan]]
484[[WMG:Peter Pan doesn't want to grow up because he's afraid of death.]]
485So, he runs off to Neverland, where he can never grow up. Captain Hook is old and close to death, so he seeks to kill Pan. The infamous crocodile? A symbol of death. Whenever Hook hears the ticking, he imagines his life ticking away as the reptile approaches.
486* You got that from the movie ''Film/{{Hook}}''.
487* Oh, sorry, I didn't think of that. Anyway, this probably applies to the original book and Disney film as well.
488* The [[WesternAnimation/PeterPanandthePirates Fox]] version suggests that Peter thinks all grownups are greedy, cheerless, and self-absorbed, so he simply decides not to ever be one. Considering the only adults he's ever met are Capt. Hook and his (deceased) brother Patch, it's little wonder he's so prejudiced.
489
490[[WMG:The Captain Hook portrayed in the movie was at some point the blood-thirsty killer he was in the original play.]]
491As ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'' has shown, the ''Kingdom Hearts'' incarnation of Captain Hook has been in Neverland for at least eleven years now. At some point, Hook most likely was the threatening pirate that J. M. Barrie portrayed him as, but he's been fighting against Peter Pan for so long that it's taken a huge toll on him. Add that in with the threat of the crocodile ever looming in the water, and the result is Hook losing that intimidation and being reduced to a comic villain. Even his own crew sees this, which is why they most likely are planning a mutiny soon.
492
493[[WMG:"Hook" is a unofficial sequel to Disney's Peter Pan]]
494* Similar to Filmation's ''Happily Ever After'' and ''Pinocchio'' and ''The Emperor of the Night''.
495
496[[WMG:Nobody can die in Neverland — aside from the "not-believing-in-fairies" stuff, of course.]]
497Think about it. Hook manages to get out of the crocodile, in the ending scene ? NOT INJURED ? No seriously ? Also, when Smee thinks he cut off Hook's head, he's like "I'll find it back and I'll put it back in place and everything will be fine". Now, Smee isn't THAT stupid. He is dumb alright, but he pertinently knows, and he states it at least once in the movie, that cutting off someone's throat is killing him. Under normal circonstances. So my idea is that in Neverland, no one can die. Someone can be badly injured, but it is "fixable" and the person's not dead. Also, it also explain how Peter and Tink survive this huge explosion.
498[[/folder]]
499
500[[folder:Pinocchio]]
501[[WMG:The Coachman from WesternAnimation/{{Pinocchio}} is Satan.]]
502That face! Plus, he [[KarmaHoudini never gets punished for tempting and abducting boys and turning them into donkeys]].
503
504[[WMG:The Coachman is related to [[Literature/TheOdyssey Circe]].]]
505Circe punished sailors for being greedy pigs by turning them into pigs. The Coachman punished boys for making jackasses of themselves by turning them into jackasses.
506
507[[WMG:Pinocchio is a bad liar because he's a golem.]]
508Pinocchio meets the definition of a wood {{golem}}. Some golems are branded with a word for "truth", such as Hebrew אמת (''emet''). So deviating from the truth causes him great pain and stress, which sets off his PinocchioNose.
509
510[[WMG:Figaro is a FunnyAnimal as an adult cat like Gideon is.]]
511Figaro is a NearlyNormalAnimal as a kitten. He is Geppetto's cat in Pinocchio and [[WesternAnimation/ClassicDisneyShorts Minnie Mouse's]] cat in his other appearances, but sleeps in a bed like a person would and walks on two legs sometimes, so there are a few CivilizedAnimal qualities in him. When he becomes an adult cat, he becomes a FunnyAnimal similar to the manner that Gideon is.
512
513[[WMG:Monstro is a Leviathan melvilli.]]
514Leviathan melvilli is a prehistoric whale. Monstro can't be a Sperm Whale because they only have teeth on the bottom jaw. The prehistoric whale had teeth on the top and bottom jaws like Monstro.
515[[/folder]]
516
517[[folder:The Princess and the Frog]]
518[[WMG:Ray and Evangeline Were Together In Life]]
519She met an untimely death somewhere along the line, leaving him alone. The bright star we know her as appeared in the sky, and he decided that it was in fact his lost love, treating it as such. [[spoiler:He was right.]]
520
521[[WMG:"The other side" Dr. Facilier refers to is analogous to hell]]
522Which is why deceased Disney villains became his shadow minions.
523
524[[WMG:Dr. Facilier is one of the [[TabletopGame/DontRestYourHead Awaked]].]]
525[[/folder]]
526
527[[folder:The Rescuers]]
528[[WMG:In ''WesternAnimation/TheRescuers'', MouseWorld is a {{Utopia}}.]]
529There seems to be an incredible amount of international cooperation among the mice of the Rescue Aid Society.
530
531Also, consider that the Rescue Aid Society is their U.N. equivalent and it apparently has nothing better to do than covertly sort out problems in Human World. Doesn't that suggest that any and all problems in Mouse World must have already been taken care of?
532[[/folder]]
533
534[[folder:Robin Hood]]
535Now has [[WMG/RobinHood1973 its own page]].
536[[/folder]]
537
538[[folder:Sleeping Beauty]]
539[[WMG:Prince Phillip kissed Aurora quickly to wake her up because he was [[DudeShesLikeInAComa aware of the implications]].]]
540* A lot is made of the "He kissed her while she was unconscious!" ValuesDissonance. Being a legitimate NiceGuy, I think he didn't want to feel [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion "So fucked up!"]] by prolonging the act to service his own desires, so he performed the kiss as quickly as possible.
541
542[[WMG:Auora [[MoreThanMindControl willingly allows herself]] to be hypnotized by Malefecent]]
543* Think about it, Aurora is just [[HeroicBSOD so overwhelmed with the knowledge of her true identity]] and the fact that she's destined to marry this "prince" that her parents arranged for her the day she was born and something the faeries agree to. Obviously she's not yet aware the Prince and the man she loves are one and the same, and so she's pretty much overwhelmed with stress, depression, and more than likely is looking for escape, anything that can return her to that time she was momentarily happy. Enter Maleficent, whom offers to take Aurora back to that time when she was happy. Aurora agrees to follow whatever Maleficent asks to make it possible and so becomes a willing servant to Maleficent whom lowers her will power and stress to the point she's easy prey for the Will-O-Wisp to drain her will completely. And thus, Aurora allowed herself to be victim to Maleficent.
544** This could also mean Aurora ''knew'' about the curse and [[DrivenToSuicide ''wanted'' Maleficent to kill her.]] Sometime in the afternoon the faeries must have explained the truth about why they raised her in the forest.
545** Also, consider the fact that the simple, peaceful life in the forest that Briar Rose knew and loved is gone forever. Falling asleep indefinitely would be the closest she could get to that simple life again.
546
547[[WMG:The three fairies are based on the Neopagan Triple Goddess]]
548* Merryweather is the Maiden - she's noticeably younger than the other two fairies, and more enthusiastic and energetic as a result, with her own ideas about her magic and what she should do with it. Her name also suggests tempestuousness - Merry''weather''.
549* Fauna is the Mother - while she doesn't seem to have any children, she has a distinctly maternal manner with regards to the other two fairies and seems to be the calmest and most collected. Her name - 'Fauna' - is a word used to refer to animal life, but also comes from the Goddess of the earth: Mother Earth.
550* Flora is the Crone - she seems to be the oldest of the three and is definitely the wisest. She has a slightly disagreeable manner, but is the most vital to the story - it's her who ultimately enchants Phillip's sword to kill Maleficent. The names of all three fairies together would seem to represent three different aspects of nature.
551
552[[WMG:Sleeping Beauty and Prince Phillip actually met each other once upon a dream]]
553...ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin.
554
555[[WMG:Maleficent - Too Pimpin' To Be Dead]]
556Seriously, though, the only thing left at the bottom of the ravine is her badass costume. There's no sign of her or a body. Presumably, she used what remained of her magic to poof into dust, breaking her spell of the thorns, and went to wander around in a non-material form to regenerate her energy for a shot at revenge in a sequel or live-action remake.
557* In a blink-and-you-miss-it moment in the film, Phillip's sword turns black while it's impaled on her cloak. Perhaps she's a [[SealedEvilInACan Sealed Evil in a Sword]] now?
558
559[[WMG:The Three Good Fairies were Also the Godmother of the Queen]]
560Queen Leah, if you like. I was thinking how odd it is that she was graced with specific beauty traits her mother already has--Aurora is the spitting image of her mother, so what was the point of magically make them look alike? But maybe Queen Leah was originally gifted with those same traits, and the fairies magically passed them on.
561
562[[WMG:The spinning wheel curse was a BatmanGambit motivated by a bottom line]]
563It's such a ridiculously specific curse, why wouldn't Maleficent make it something that would be a lot easier for Aurora to come in contact with? "Touches air on her 16th birthday" would be better. Obviously she runs her own yarn business and the people in the kingdom were cutting into her profits. She creates a curse to cause grief to the people she doesn't like while eliminating the competition.
564
565[[WMG:Phillip totally would have missed if Flora hadn't enchanted the sword]]
566And it would have been hilarious. Imagine the OhCrap moment when the sword just sort of falls to the ground with a clunk.
567
568[[WMG:Merryweather's original gift was to be the gift of wisdom]]
569Because a wise blonde haired princess, [[Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda is not that uncommon]].
570* In the original story by Perrault, there are seven good faeries, and the six gifts are ''beauty'', ''wit'', grace, dance, ''song'', and music. So wisdom is likely correct.
571
572[[WMG:Maleficent somehow survived and caused the Black Plague and the Hundred Years War]]
573Phillip and Aurora both say that it is the fourteenth century. It is plausible that the movie is set just before the plague and the Hundred Years war. Phillip is the name of the king of France at the time the war began. Stefan is also a French name, one of the further evidence the movie may be set in France. Maleficent probably caused both the plague and the war to get revenge on Phillip and Aurora. Except I don't think French King's sons-in-laws can get the throne. Only sons. Prince Phillip II was the son of King Louis XVII
574
575[[WMG:Maleficent and the Three Good Fairies represent a balance between good and evil]]A friend of mine pointed this out. All four fairies seem to be locked into a battle/rivalry of sorts. (("We'll turn her into a flower!" "Until Maleficent sends a frost." "She always destroys your nicest flowers...")). But what seems strange is why are there three good fairies, and then just Maleficent? Simple. Evil stands on its own and kicks its rivals down until it's the only one on top. It's selfish and isolated. Good befriends, loves, and has a sense of unity, and Flora, Fauna, and Merryweather only ever succeed when they work together (presumably, if Maleficent had delivered the curse before any of them had given their gifts, the three of them together would have been able to undo it completely).
576
577With Maleficent out of the picture, it might seem that the balance has shifted, but as another troper pointed out, it's possible that [[HesJustHiding she's just hiding]], since we only saw a cloak. Either that, or something will spawn to replace her.
578
579[[WMG:This movie is a FutureImperfect retelling of something that happened in the history of the [[Franchise/HarryPotter Potterverse]]]]
580
581The fairies are all actually witches: Maleficent is a Slytherin Dark Arts practitioner, and perhaps an early matriarch of the Malfoy, Lestrange, or Black clan (or all three). Fauna is obviously a Hufflepuff, Flora is a Ravenclaw, and Merryweather a Gryffindor (I know Flora wears red and Merry wears blue, but Flora acts more like a Ravenclaw and Merry acts more like a Gryffindor).
582
583[[WMG:Maleficent picked on Merryweather in school]]
584It seems obvious doesn't it?
585
586[[WMG:The real reason Maleficent is so angry at not being invited to the christening is because...]]
587Queen Leah, as she's sometimes known, was originally barren, which is why the narration in the opening said that she and Stefan had longed for a child for many years. So, in a desperate bid, Queen Leah made a deal with Maleficent for her to use her powers to give her a child, and all Maleficent wanted was for respect to be paid to her for helping provide an heir to the kingdom. But out of fear for what the reactions of others would be, she welched on the deal. Maleficent viewed this as a serious snub, and decided that, in her mind, if she was refused credit for helping in Aurora's birth, then the deal was off, and Aurora had to go. The whole sixteen years bit was just because she felt like being cruel by having it hanging over their heads all that time. Also, to further this theory, observe everyone's reactions; all the subjects are incredibly frightened, the fairies are shocked, and on a close, but quick focus on Stefan and Leah, Stefan's eyes are wide with horror, complete with JawDrop, but Leah's expression is, [[http://postimg.org/image/5q4u6mdmd/ more just concern and worry]], because she suspected this might happen. Notice how also, when Merryweather told Maleficent that she wasn't wanted, Maleficent looks [[http://postimg.org/image/6kd8f425n/ genuinely shocked]], because she ''honestly did believe that she was simply not invited by sheer accident''. Further bolstered by Queen Leah being the only person to treat Maleficent with respect, asking her, "You're not offended, your Excellency?" It fits!
588
589[[WMG:Maleficent’s curse would have had consequences for her if it wasn’t fulfilled.]] Why is she so desperate for the curse to come true that it’s her singular obsession for sixteen years? Indeed, after Philip is captured, she remarks that that night will be the first in sixteen years she sleeps well. This earnestness seems to go beyond being merely offended at not being invited, the stakes have to be a lot higher. Perhaps she cast the curse in a fit of pique and regretted it afterwards, but once it was done she couldn’t undo it, and so it had to be fulfilled or something bad would happen to her. Maybe the curse would rebound on her. Maybe she would lose her powers altogether.
590
591[[WMG:The reason Maleficent's death did not undo Aurora's curse, is because of what Merryweather did.]]
592Maleficent's death immediately causes the thorns she summoned in her fight with Phillip to disappear, so evidently NoOntologicalInertia is in effect in the movie's universe. Then why didn't her death also undo the curse she put on Aurora? Simply, because the curse wasn't just Maleficent's doing anymore. Merryweather meddled with the curse, changing its outcome from Aurora dying to Aurora merely falling into a deep sleep. That way, it became also became Merryweather's curse, and she was still very much alive.
593
594
595[[WMG:Snow White is Aurora's half sister.]]
596Snow White is actually the long lost sister of Aurora. Evidence to suggest this is that both girls live in Medieval Europe and like Stefan, Snow White has black hair. Plus in those days kings married many times and got their wives pregnant. Even though the castle of Stefan looks different in the film it is possible he relocated at some point before Snow White was born. Seeing how Snow White is an orphan this means Stefan died and seeing how Aurora is several years older than Snow White and lives with Philip this means the two princesses don't know they are half siblings and possibly unaware of the other's existence.
597
598[[WMG:Phillip is [[HalfHumanHybrid half ogre]], just like in the fairy tale.]]
599You never see his mother, so maybe she was an [[OurOgresAreHungrier ogress]] that King Hubert married for whatever reason.
600
601[[WMG:If Maleficent had been invited, she would've given Aurora something awesome.]]
602As an Unseelie Fae, she'd probably use it as an opportunity to one-up the three Seelie Fae. What better way to do that than to give the baby Aurora the power to turn into a dragon?
603* Fanfic/TheInfiniteLoops brought this idea up in one snippet. Maleficent gifted baby Aurora a keen political mind.
604
605[[WMG:Maleficent's goons are species that age very slowly.]]
606Even slower than humans, which suggests their lifespans may well be for centuries (like many non-human mythical creatures). They are probably unaware that humans age very fast compared to them, which explains why they assumed Aurora was still a baby after 16 years.
607
608[[WMG:Sleeping Beauty Castle at Ride/{{Disneyland}} is the castle that King Hubert had built for Aurora and Phillip.]]
609In King Hubert and King Stefan's drinking scene, Hubert reveals that he's already had a new castle built for Aurora and Phillip to move into as soon as they're married. Likewise, in the real world, Sleeping Beauty Castle had already been built four years before the movie was released. This would explain why Sleeping Beauty Castle looks different from King Stefan's castle in the actual film: it's not the same castle, it's Aurora and Phillip's "honeymoon cottage."
610
611[[WMG: While asleep, Aurora has [[PsychicDreamsForEveryone psychic dreams]] that tell her Phillip's true identity and that he's coming to rescue her.]]
612In some versions of ''Literature/SleepingBeauty'', the princess explicitly dreams of the prince during her hundred-year sleep, letting her recognize him as soon as he wakes her. Maleficent also tells Phillip during her speech in the dungeon that Aurora is "dreaming of her true love." This would explain why Aurora isn't at all surprised or confused when she wakes up, but simply smiles at Phillip. She already knew he was coming and knows they'll be able to marry after all.
613
614[[/folder]]
615
616[[folder:Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs]]
617[[WMG:The Seven Dwarfs are the SevenDeadlySins.]]
618A ''Not Brand Ecch'' comic book mocked this:
619* Pride=Doc (has glasses)
620* Envy=Dopey (no beard)
621* Greed=Happy (don't know)
622* Wrath (labelled as "Hatred")=Grumpy
623* Gluttony (labelled as "Selfishness")=Sneezy (don't know)
624* Sloth (labelled as "Laziness")=Sleepy
625* Lust=Bashful (don't know)
626
627[[WMG: The Seven Dwarfs represent the seven stages of cocaine addiction.]]
628[[https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/go-ask-alice-2/ Snopes.com]] has addressed this urban legend. Happy, Dopey, Grumpy and Bashful represent the drug's effects on mood and mental health, Sneezy and Sleepy the physical symptoms, and Doc the requisite visit to a doctor.
629[[/folder]]
630
631[[folder:Toy Story]]
632[[WMG:Buzz Lightyear and the toy line he comes from ''is'' malfunctioning.]]
633This was the original plotline for the third movie, before it got canned, but it makes the most sense given what we know of how the Buzz Lightyear toy line acts; every one of them believes themselves to be ''the'' characters they're based on, and have no recollection or notion of being a toy at all. None of the other, functioning toys we've seen in the first two movies are like this, not even the horrific monstrosities of Sid's; obviously, they all started out as "perfect", unflawed toys. It's possible that, if a toy line suffers from a design flaw that forces a recall (like what Buzz's line would've done in the original script), those flaws would affect the toys' perceptions of their world and themselves, warping their self-image and their personality unless the flaw can be corrected (if it ''can'' be corrected).
634* Or, all franchise toys start out believing they are that fictional character, but eventually grow out of it. Woody's so old he's forgotten where he came from, and more generic toys don't have much backstory to bother with. Zurg supports this, and the Barbies are acting out the personality they've been given, it just doesn't come up very often because of the suspicious absence of franchise toys in Andy's room.
635** Rex asked what company Buzz was from and seemed to know a lot about the company that made him.
636** Which is actually pretty weird considering the references to Hasbro and Mattel toys in the two movies. One would think we'd see toys of [[Franchise/{{Transformers}} Optimus Prime]] or [[Franchise/GIJoe Duke]].
637
638[[WMG:Woody is a legacy toy.]]
639In the first movie, it's said that Woody and Andy go back a long time, and has been a favorite. In the second film, Woods is revealed to be a family treasure and from the '50's at least, and there was that boy in Woody's Roundup who looked almost exactly like Andy, perhaps that was Andy's dad who was the original owner of the doll we see in the films. Perhaps changing of ownership will erase a toy's memory after a while.
640** I always thought the boy in Woody's Roundup was actually all in Woody's mind while he was watching the episode. After all, he had already watched all the existing episodes of the show earlier in the movie and hadn't noticed this. I thought it was the moment where he realises what is at stake if he were to go to the Toy Museum, and he "hallucinated" Andy in the Roundup episode interacting with the marionette Woody - note his look of surprise!
641
642[[WMG:Toy Story has two Wild Mass Guessing pages.]]
643WordOfGod confirms this.
644[[/folder]]
645
646[[folder:Treasure Planet]]
647 [[WMG:[[WesternAnimation/TreasurePlanet Jim Hawkins]] is Will and Elizabeth Turner's distant descendant]]
648Not much evidence to suggest this, but both Jim and Will are fairly similar in background; generally poor, living in a small town that gets attacked by pirates searching for a PlotCoupon, and goes on a voyage with pure motivations (Will to save Elizabeth and Jim to find money to rebuild his mother's inn) but gets caught up in a web of piracy and treachery. Luckily for Jim, though, he managed to get himself out.
649
650[[WMG:The entire crew of the ''Legacy'' were reincarnated from the crew of the ''[[Literature/TreasureIsland Hispaniola]]''.]]
651The souls of those involved with the voyage of the Hispaniola have unwittingly been cursed to be reincarnated over many years and [[AlternateUniverse alternate universes]] since the events that took place in the novel, being forced to repeat the experience of in several different lifetimes "until the Sea Cook and Cabin Boy can exchange a last look with a true smile on their faces, feeling a fatherly and forgiving love."
652
653It's not known why they have to repeat the adventure so many times; most likely punishment on the original Silver for his [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder treachery]], or DisproportionateRetribution on the original Jim for remembering his great adventure with such bitterness. The many different repetitions of this story have been told through the several adaptations of Treasure Island.
654
655The curse was broken at the end of Treasure Planet; [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments with that goodbye between Jim and Silver? Not surprising.]]
656
657[[WMG:The plot of Treasure Planet takes place on [[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine Ancient Bajor]].]]
658That's why their starships use sails. Also, Morph is somehow related to the Founders.
659[[/folder]]
660
661[[folder:Winnie The Pooh]]
662[[WMG:Christopher Robin is not a child.]]
663He is an adult in a mental hospital, heavily sedated and desperately trying to relive the brighter days of his childhood.
664** Not in a mental ward, but the now aged Christopher Milne is recalling his adventures with his toys as he lies dying in hospital, as depicted in Ian Chachere's ''Good Night, Billy Moon.'' Excuse me, there's just something in my eye...
665
666[[WMG:The Hundred Acre Wood is the collective unconscious of several mental patients.]]
667Following the theory above, Christopher Robin and his toys are all mental projections of several insane individuals, all with many different problems, listed in detail [[http://web.archive.org/web/20041209042210/http://stoli990.tripod.com/pooh.html here.]]
668
669[[WMG:Tigger is an EldritchAbomination hellbent on causing Rabbit (and everyone else) eternal grief]]
670Come on, it's so obvious. He can bounce as high as he wants, breaking ''several'' laws of gravity and physics while he's at it; he is the [[GenreSavvy the only character who knows he's in a cartoon/book/whatever]]; and he can [[BreakingTheFourthWall talk to the reader/viewer directly]]. His main occupation in life is to barge in and cause chaos, especially around Rabbit, before bounding away cheerfully. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XphflOziRWk&feature=related Watch this episode]]. How do we know that he didn't set Rabbit up every time?
671
672And the [[NightmareFuel getting-sucked-down-the-plug thing]] was creepy.
673
674Also, it's been mentioned several times that he can't read human writing, even if Christopher Robin, ''the most literate character in the Hundred Acre Wood'' has written it. It's because he's got the speech but not the written words. This explains why, in the original books, he can't write his own name when even Pooh makes a decent attempt.
675
676[[FridgeLogic What's his motive?]] Well, perhaps he feeds off negative energy caused by disrupting harmony and order, [[PickyEater which explains why he does not like honey]]. The Hundred-Acre-Wood is full of the stuff, and thus he's come down basically to keep fed. His appearance as a stuffed tiger and nature as the BigFriendlyDog of the gang could be a way of [[HiddenAgendaVillain masking his true intentions]], keeping him safe from [[TorchesAndPitchforks harm]] while he builds strength for some unnamable purpose. We just haven't figured out what.
677
678He could be from [[Franchise/MortalKombat Chaosrealm]], or he could be [[Creator/HPLovecraft Lovecraftian]] in nature; that's not the point. If you chose to take this seriously, then the phrase "Everyone's scared of Tiggers" from ''Winnie The Pooh and The Blustery Day'' sounds instantly [[NightmareFuel a lot more frightening]].
679* This theory is totally awesome. Also, the "Very Tigger Movie," or whatever it's called, has a new frightening implication -- THERE ARE OTHER TIGGERS OUT THERE.
680** That is very interesting, indeed - Tigger claims to be [[LastOfHisKind "The Only One"]], but perhaps he was sent down to the physical realm as a baby, away from his many many hundreds of relatives. Therefore, he's grown up with no knowledge of his true family. When he does meet them, [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt there's going to be hell to pay]]. Also, it doesn't help that he appears to have a ''lot'' of [[BrainBleach female cousins...]]
681** Also, notice how he's the one that first tells Pooh about Heffalumps and Woozles in the ''Winnie the Pooh and the Blustery Day'' segment of the original film, which causes Pooh to have a nightmare about them, and then they turn out to be real in the series and later films. Was Tigger deliberately trying to create a path into Hundred Acre Wood through for them through Pooh's dreams because he knew some of them weren't nice and that Pooh and company would be scared of them? Perhaps the heffalumps and woozles are Eldritch Abominations as well?
682*** It would certainly explain the monstrous Heffalumps and Woozles seen in Pooh's dreams. Those things might have been [[YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm closer to their real forms than anything else]], and those in the movies and TV shows might be taking [[AFormYouAreComfortableWith a recognizable physical form]] to adapt to our reality. It would also explain why Lumpy was so scared of our heroes - Pooh and his friends look strange to him because things like them don't exist where he comes from, and so ''they're'' the [[StarfishAliens strange and horrible things]] in his mind. Eventually, the two sides come to understand each other, implying that Heffalumps aren't inherently monstrous. Woozles, on the other hand, have so far been shown to be [[AlwaysChaoticEvil kleptomaniac jerks]] and proud of it ([[Recap/TheNewAdventuresOfWinnieThePoohS1E7TheGreatHoneyPotRobbery "Woozles have always stolen!"]]), and with the one exception of Wooster they never seem to have the best intentions for Pooh and his friends...
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684
685[[folder:Real Life/Meta/etc.]]
686[[WMG:''WesternAnimation/HomeOnTheRange'' was Disney's SpringtimeForHitler, meant to be bad so they'd have an excuse to stop doing traditional animation.]]
687The theory has been put forth before. They thought the audience would be more accepting of the change if they produced a real bomb of a movie. It worked in this case.
688* The 2011 ''Winnie the Pooh'' film has been accused of being a ploy like this too; being released the same summer as a ''Harry Potter'' movie and the franchise itself having been marketed to toddlers for decades almost completely assured its failure at the box office, giving Disney a good excuse to blame traditional animation for its failure again and stop producing it.
689[[WMG:The Disney Animated Canon will eventually [[RevisitingTheRoots Revisit It's Roots]] and/or go back to traditional animation.]]
690* Confirmed! Animator Eric Goldberg revealed in a recent interview that Disney will be returning to 2D animation for future projects. These will not be pure 2D, but hybrids in the vein of "Into the Spiderverse."
691** Disney's first hybrid film will be Wish, a Disney Princess musical starring Ariana DeBose releasing in 2023. D23 Expo showed a glimpse of the hybrid animation, which looks like 2D animation.
692
693[[WMG:Some of Disney's later movies are (in part at least) apologies for earlier, racist ones]]
694"Pocahontas" and "Hunchback of Notre Dame" may seem preachy about racism to a modern viewer, but comparing them to how Native Americans and the Romani were portrayed in "Peter Pan" and "Pinocchio" respectively puts it in new light. It's a tad bit surprising it took Disney so long to make "Princess and the Frog" given that most of Disney's most infamously racist moments targeted blacks.
695
696[[WMG:The Name Game will experience a change to its name.]]
697If it is to be based on "Rumpelstiltskin", they'll go with the trend of a one word adjective. Perhaps something like either "Spun" or "Spinning". "Golden" would also make a good title. Maybe "Spinning" would be best because of the word play.Everything starts because a miller was spinning tales. Rumplestiltskin solves the maiden's problem by spinning straw into gold, and everything starts spinning out of control after that. [[SpectacularSpinning Spinning is cool]] anyway.
698* If it's based on Rumpelstiltskin it could use the plot of the scrapped film "Uncle Stiltskin". This would have followed Rumple finding out the true meaning of family during a plot to get another child. Keeping with the name of "Spinning" it could be a reference to 'spinning' your own threads of fate.
699
700[[WMG:Certain DirectToVideo sequels were aborted entries for Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon]]
701Some of ''Disneytoon Studio's'' sequels have substantial quality over others, some ranging from TV budget to theatrical level. It would make sense if some were invested as being more mainstream projects of Disney, but were quickly sidelined to a more humble release after investments into production had already been made. ''Bambi II'' is one of the most curious, since it's budget and production are near identical to that of a theatrical cartoon (with some of Disney's mainstream animators even supervising it). Meanwhile Europe even released it theatrically and publicized it like a standard main Disney film (curiously shortly within the same year, Europe randomly made a divergent entry in their canon list with ''WesternAnimation/TheWild'', a production-only creation of Disney's, a hasty replacement after ''Bambi II's'' downplayed release in the U.S.).
702
703[[WMG:After the [[LiveActionAdaptation Live Action Remakes]] are done, Disney will start making genderbent remakes of their most classic films.]]
704Inspired by the many fanfictions, Disney will remake (animated or live-action) some of their most classic features with the most major characters getting a GenderFlip.
705Examples:
706* WesternAnimation/BeautyAndTheBeast: Male Beauty, Female Beast and Female Hunter/{{Yandere}}.
707* WesternAnimation/{{Aladdin}}: Female Street Rat, Female Genie, Male Prince and Female Evil Sorceress/Royal Advisor.
708* WesternAnimation/{{The Little Mermaid|1989}}: Male Merman, Female Princess, and Male Sea Warlock/Sorcerer.
709** WesternAnimation/RalphBreaksTheInternet, Frozen, Maleficent, and Descendants 3 suggest there may be a film where the female lead delivers True Love's Kiss.
710[[WMG:The reason why Disney is making a bunch of live action remakes is because they're not allowed to make sequels.]]
711When John Lasseter became chief creative officer, he put a ban on sequels, but eventually a loophole was found to this in the form of live action remakes.
712** Partially jossed. Sequels for entries have been approved since then, just not quick-buck DirectToVideo ones. Remakes being considered over sequels would still make sense on that note however, since it would have less requirement to match the voice and legacy of the original film, especially after the ''Winnie the Pooh'' theatrical sequel bombed in box office.
713[[WMG:Why Gigantic was ultimately cancelled]]
714Due to at least one of the major characters being a giant, and the whole movie being a retelling of ''Literature/JackAndTheBeanstalk'', there would have ''FAR'' too many comparisons to ''Franchise/AttackOnTitan.'' Hell, this troper even imagined a potential trailer that mimicked the show somewhat: With a giant looming over a towering wall, someone screaming "GIANT!!", and mass panic ensuing as the giant grabs an unsuspecting guard, only for a voice to ring out, with it being revealed to the audience the giant is a kaiju sized little girl, and she's being scolded by her mother about needlessly scaring the human population below; ends with the girl tossing the guard away and sulking off.
715
716The creators probably tried their hardest to make the story as kid friendly and far away from the plot of ''Attack on Titan'' as possible, due to the justified fear of people comparing the two despite potentially being as thematically different as possible (as well as the equally justified fear of crossover fanworks), which might reflect badly on the film's, and possibly Disney's, reputation. Ultimately, they must have decided to give up entirely.
717* While not confirmed. Rumors suggest that it was cancelled because Disney Animation simply couldn't make the story work for its length.
718
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720
721[[folder: Possible Disney Animation Projects]]
722
723[[WMG: Possible Project Ideas on what animated films will be focused on]]
724
725News have discussed on there being a big possibility on [[https://www.cbr.com/disney-could-return-2d-animation-wish-director/#:~:text=Disney%20might%20be%20heading%20back,some%20of%20their%20future%20projects. Disney returning 2D Animated films]] back because of the success of ''WesternAnimation/{{Wish|2023}}'' with it celebrating the references, cameos, and drawings meaning that we will have the 2D animated films back again.
726
727With that coming as a surprise for the future, there are still various possiblitiies in what the future of these animated films can be focused on with fairytale books that haven't been used, modern ones that could be used by the classic stories, and the ones that are still may be wonderful based on something without a fairytale or stories.
728
729Fairy-Tales:
730* Gigantic
731* Persian Princess
732* Little Red Riding Hood
733* Hansel and Gretel
734* The Tortoise and The Hare
735* Goldilocks and The Three Bears
736* The Gingerbred Man/or Boy
737* The Golden Eggs
738* Little Bo Peep
739* The Boy Who Cried Wolf
740* Little Miss Muffet
741* The Twelve Princesses
742* The Golden Eggs
743* George and The Dragon
744* The Three Feathers
745* The Billy Goats Gruff
746* The Goose Girl
747* The Pied Piper
748* Peter Piper
749* Lady Mole
750* Fairy Horn
751* King Midas
752* The Golden Ball
753* The Foolish Wishes
754* Thumbelina
755* Tom Thumb
756* The Swan Princess
757* The Bird that Spoke the Truth
758* The Boy and the Wolves
759* The Golden Bracelet
760* The Princess & The Pea
761Currently all Jossed as the people running Disney has said that [[https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2010-nov-21-la-et-1121-tangled-20101121-story.html Disney will not be making anymore fairytale adaptations]]
762
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