Line #176 WMG/CuantaVida


1	[[WMG: One representative from each class will survive.]]
2	Almost all of the characters given significant screen time are in on the escape attempt. [[spoiler:It's been [[WordOfGod Word Of God'd]] that there are more major character deaths planned. It stands to reason that several people are going to die escaping or attempting to escape.]] Predictions for the final team:
3	* BLU Spy: Obviously. He's the Narrator, after all.
4	* BLU Scout: Because he's the LoveInterest, unless he's a goner due to SuicidalOverconfidence.
5	* RED Medic
6	* RED Sniper: Because BLU's doomed anyway
7	** [[spoiler:Jossed. Rojo probably killed him out of paranoia.]]
8	*** [[spoiler:Back on the table, he's among allies and getting treated, though him being alive isn't yet confirmed.]]
9	* RED Pyro: BLU Pyro will make a HeroicSacrifice, adding lots of angst and forcing Bleu to interact with the the source of his fears.
10	** Or ''RED'' Pyro will make a HeroicSacrifice, completely changing Bleu's views about him/her.
11	** [[spoiler: Jossed. Bleu kills RED Pyro with the RED Scout's pistol.]]
12	* RED Engineer
13	** [[spoiler: Jossed--both of them survive!]]
14	* BLU Heavy
15	* BLU Demoman
16	* BLU Soldier
17	** [[spoiler: Jossed. He was left behind.]]
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19	[[WMG: They're [[HesJustHiding just hiding]].]]
20	[[spoiler:Red and/or Sniper]]'s deaths are faked. It's part of an alternate escape plan (or maybe the [[ThePlan plan all along]], if it included gathering witnesses to their deaths to make them "official").
21	* [[spoiler:Red]] had the Dead Ringer on him when he was shot (since every other character on the scene was on BLU, they would not be able to see his outline). [[spoiler:Sniper]]'s EyeScream may be another ploy, where [[spoiler:Red]] acted it out disguised as Rojo and BLU Medic was in on it, or it was an unfortunate complication. Not replacing his eyes is a lie, though. Either way, [[spoiler:Sniper]] took a [[VideoGame/MetalGear Fake Death Pill]], revived, and they both sped away together in the camper van.
22	* [[spoiler:Red]] is actually dead, but [[spoiler:Sniper]] is still alive. He's either [[{{Jossed}} coincidentally gone from the room when Bleu and Scout come to check up on him in the morning]], or he's been moved somewhere else by Rojo, who is disguised as BLU Medic.
23	* ''[[spoiler:Sniper]]'' is actually dead, but [[spoiler:Red]] is still alive. He couldn't return right away for whatever reason, and by the time he does, it'll be too late.
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25	[[WMG: Who is Bleu talking to, anyway?]]
26	There've been several theories, including:
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28	* A psychologist, or some other kind of therapist
29	* The escapees' would-be captors
30	* RED Pyro
31	** Jossed.
32	* And even [[spoiler:Rojo]].
33	** This one is actually pretty plausible because, upon careful examination, [[spoiler: there is NEVER narration when Rojo is on-screen -- there's no need for it.]] That, and he mentioned that he [[spoiler:didn't have a choice in talking to whoever-it-is...]] Bleu even gets to make a jab: [[spoiler: "You know, I think I like the previous RED Spy better."]]
34	*** [[spoiler: [[https://web.archive.org/web/20190903104735/http://tf2.skyscrapersoup.com/2010/04/11/94-recursion/ Confirmed to be Rojo.]][[LampshadeHanging "You're starting over again!"]]]]
35	*** Supporting detail: [[spoiler: There has not been any narration since Bleu said "It was raining the night I arrived..." to Rojo.]]
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37	[[WMG: [[spoiler:Rojo was ''specifically'' sent to demoralize or eliminate the would-be escapees.]]]]
38	Because, come on. The fact that ''he'' [[spoiler: replaced Red, the one who came up with the plan to begin with]] AND [[spoiler: blinded Sniper, which led to his doctor-assisted suicide]] CAN'T be coincidence.
39	* Add to that [[spoiler: the loss of the BLU Engineer's hand]], and the theory seems more and more true...
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41	This implies that the headquarters (obviously different from the canonical administration Valve gave us) [[spoiler: ALREADY KNOW ABOUT IT. Which isn't that suprising, given that the BLU computer is a giant video feed of both bases.]]
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43	This also ties in with the above question of who Bleu's talking to...
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45	[[WMG: The above is what Kytri WANTS you to think.]]
46	He's actually the handler for the sleeper agent that will eliminate them all in one go... [[spoiler:RED Medic.]]
47	* [[https://web.archive.org/web/20190905221742/http://tf2.skyscrapersoup.com/2010/03/28/92-the-chat-kept-arguing-over-what-to-call-this/ Confirmed!]] Okay, not completely, but the spoilered part I nailed.
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49	[[WMG: [[spoiler: Rojo is collecting body parts to build a super soldier.]]]]
50	[[spoiler: Sniper's]] eyes, [[spoiler: Engie's]] hand... My guess is he'll go for Scout's legs next.
51	* He actually wants to [[spoiler:build a super body for himself]]. He's clearly [[spoiler:picking]] the best parts he can find, which leads me to think he's going to use [[spoiler:his own brain]]. He's surely not the kind of guy who would admit that anyone is smarter than he is (and from what we've seen, he may actually be right on that one). Also he'll have BLU Medic [[spoiler:stitch the body together]]. It has been implied that he is [[spoiler:quite good at transplanting organs]], and he's surely mad enough to do it. Plus he has [[spoiler:a freezer full of bodies]], which he can use [[spoiler:complete the body with organs Rojo can't find]].
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53	[[WMG: Bleu's first and only kill in the entire comic will be [[spoiler:Rojo.]]]]
54	And it will be ''[[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome glorious.]]''
55	* Oh, almost forgot. Bonus awesome points if the finishing blow lands the bastard ''[[spoiler:in a [[WhyDidItHaveToBeSnakes fire.]]]]''
56	* I'm betting Rojo does something to Scout. If ''anything'' could get Bleu angry enough to kill, it's be Scout dying or being irreparably injured.
57	** ...RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil? (Sorry, had to suggest it.)
58	*** That could be a WMG all by itself, with the number of people arguing over it...
59	** [[http://tf2.skyscrapersoup.com/?p=234 Jossed.]]
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61	[[WMG: BLU Scout will be the key to Rojo's plan foiling.]]
62	[[spoiler: If there's anyone that will realize the 'Bleu' in front of them is not the real Bleu, it'd be Scout.]]
63	* Looking to be {{Jossed}}, [[spoiler: everyone else is aware of the real Bleu, but Scout is separated from them.]]
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65	[[WMG: Bleu ''lied.'']]
66	Not about everything, of course, since we've seen him fumble before. But think about it: Would he have told [[spoiler:Rojo]] that story, in ''that much detail'', which would in turn put his friends in danger, without slipping in ''something'' to throw him off? Bleu may be a bad Spy ''by 2Fort standards'', but he's still a Spy!
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68	If this is true, then what did he lie ''about?'' That's the real mystery!
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70	In fact... see a minor PlotHole? Fumble in the storytelling. That's all.
71	* Um... I don't. Care to point it out?
72	** I think that's a hypothetical plot hole, which would be "solved" in [[UnreliableNarrator the same way]] as the LiteraryAgentHypothesis.
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74	[[WMG: Alternatively, he didn't mention ''everything'' the ''audience'' saw.]]
75	He may have only used the narrations plus whatever else he'd need to say to make the story coherent (such as [[spoiler:anytime Rojo appears]]). These missing parts would be the only things we don't know. But think: There were loads and LOADS of panels without narration, and really. Could anyone remember that many conversations and retell them in that much detail? Maybe some of those things got cut in the testimony.
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77	[[WMG: [[spoiler: RED Medic is being blackmailed into helping Rojo]]]]
78	Okay, in [=TF2=] canon, [[spoiler: the Medic is implied to, if not be a former Nazi, then have Nazi sympathies. BLU Medic's been portrayed as fairly similar to canon portrayal, but what if Kytri's pulling a bait and switch, and ''RED'' Medic was the one that used to be a Nazi? Rojo could have found out and used that to get him to help against Bleu, since, yeah, it'd be a bad thing if his team found out he was a Nazi.]]
79	** Possibly Jossed. The comic takes place in 1988, over 40 years after WWII ended. It's still possible that Anton has Nazi sympathies, but there's no way in hell he was a Nazi during the war.
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81	[[WMG: If Bleu did lie, the most important lie was about [[spoiler:the intel.]]]]
82	The question Bleu was asked was [[spoiler: how he knew the intel was useless.]] He ''never'' answers this. '''''Never.''''' Red did say at one point that [[spoiler:it was "filler"]], but it was a passing mention and how he figured that out to begin with is never brought up. This implies that the ''how'' of it, and, if known, the ''why'' of it, is important.
83	** If Bleu is an UnreliableNarrator, then it's just as likely that Red never actually said anything about the contents.
84	** Hang on. OP here with a bout of FridgeLogic: The question is [[spoiler:How did Bleu know that the intel is useless?]] The answer is: [[spoiler:He looked at it, of course!]] I mean, it's actually a ''huge'' part of how Bleu began to suspect that the corporations were one instead of two anyway... wow, self. But one question ''does'' remain, make no mistake, and that question is: Why did Bleu dance around the answer by ''telling his entire 2Fort story?''
85	*** It ''[[FridgeBrilliance isn't]]'' [[FridgeBrilliance his whole story]]. There's a timeskip of a few months somewhere between [[http://tf2.skyscrapersoup.com/?p=67 this page]] and [[https://web.archive.org/web/20190905214458/http://tf2.skyscrapersoup.com/2009/11/25/80-military-recruitment/ this page]]. Notice the age of RED scout's pet chicken.
86	*** Chickens take 2-4 months, tops to mature depending on the breed. And because Peep-Peep is still changing physically, he's likely not an adult yet. Based on the age of the chicken, I'd say only 4-6 weeks passed between those panels. Aaaaand another entry for the "First Sentence" game.
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88	[[WMG: One of the former BLU Spies killed RED Pyro's best friend/lover.]]
89	Pyro either lost the chance to get revenge (someone else killed the BLU Spy responsible) or [[LoveMakesYouCrazy went insane]] and now has a personal vendetta against all Spies, even though the loved one and the murderer are both long-since dead. RED Pyro may also get a HeelFaceTurn, to spite Rojo if nothing else.
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91	[[WMG: RED Pyro is a woman.]]
92	... because it needed to be said.
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94	Kytri said in an interview the characters are based on common fanon interpretations and cited the pyros specifically as good examples of the team contrast. "Pyro is a girl" is one of the fandom's dearest theories, so it would really be much more surprising if it ''didn't'' make an appearance in Cuanta Vida. We also know BLU Pyro is a man already, so if they really contrast that much, RED Pyro has to be female.
95	* Even if both of the Pyros are male, this will be discussed at some point, and the conversation will end with all parties more confused than they were before.
96	* Well, ''technically'' all we know about BLU Pyro is that he's got a wide, sharply-angled chin, heavy facial scarring (or ''possibly'' poorly-shaved facial hair), a {{Keet}}/GenkiGirl personality, and a "surprisingly nice voice". Pyro ''could'' have gotten in a horrific traffic accident [[{{Gonk}} or something]] (I definitely think BLU Pyro's a guy, though). So far, RED Pyro has seemed more like the masculine type of PsychopathicManchild, and BLU the GenkiGirl type, but if they do "contrast that much", it makes sense for them to have reverse gender stereotypes for the way they display their insanity/psychopathy (especially considering that the official comments from Valve on their [=TF2=] Female pinups include that they [[TheLadette should have had girl!Pyro drinking beer and watching football]]).
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98	[[WMG: RED Spy and BLU Sniper ''knew'' that the Scouts had a thing for the Spy]]
99	https://web.archive.org/web/20190905213518/http://tf2.skyscrapersoup.com/2009/06/13/56-neither-of-them-know-anything-about-cameras/
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101	Look at the last panel. They both look like they've just realised something, and considering how the Scouts are fighting, what else could it be?
102	I would launch into a 'Red was planning to get them together'' spiel here, but, y'know, he [[spoiler: died and all...]]
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104	Also, this isn't an important or particularly plot-relevant theory at all. I just felt like suggesting it.
105	* [[http://yaoi.y-gallery.net/view/567489/ Confirmed?]]
106	** Whoever linked that, you are a gentleman and a scholar.
107	*** Gentle''woman'' and a scholar. tips hat S'what I'm here for.
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109	[[WMG: Rojo is trying to [[spoiler:disable the entire BLU team]].]]
110	...Or more specifically, [[spoiler:disable each member in their area of work/expertiese]]. Because they can't replace anyone whilst they're still alive, if Rojo managed to accomplish this, then the BLU team would be a load of sitting ducks. So far Rojo has [[spoiler:taken BLU Sniper's eyes - (what use is, or rather ''was'', a sniper if they' can't see), and cut off BLU Engie's hand (although he said he'd build a new one, for the moment it'll be rather difficult to quickly build things with only one hand)]]. Following this, and the [[https://web.archive.org/web/20190908111803/http://tf2.skyscrapersoup.com/2010/06/04/101-im-too-sick-to-think-of-a-title/ most recent comic page]], it seems that Rojo is now going to go after [[spoiler:Scout, by probably breaking his legs, or [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamstringing hamstringing]] him]].
111	* [[spoiler: Looks like you nailed it on the head.]]
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114	[[WMG: Nay, Rojo is trying to [[spoiler:commit mass genocide on ''both sides''!]]]]
115	He may or may not save himself, depending if you view him as chaotic evil or neutral evil.
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117	[[WMG: The ending will involve SpotTheImposter.]]
118	Rojo and Bleu will end up in an all out brawl. Somewhere in the process one or both of the Spies disguises himself as the other. Then when they're at their end, Scout shows up pointing a gun at them both. Each insists that they're the real Bleu. Scout must invoke SomethingOnlyTheyWouldSay.
119	* Sounds pretty plausible to me. It could even be Rojo disguising as the Scout and Bleu pointing the gun, although that's less likely. I'm intrigued as to what he's say to prove his identity, though...
120	** Admission of love?
121	** That's what I was hoping, to be honest. But Rojo's enough of a magnificent bastard to be able to figure that out. Oh, never mind, it looks like he's [[spoiler:going [[KillItWithFire up in flames]] anyway]]
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123	[[WMG: The Gunslinger is a shout out to Cuanta Vida.]]
124	Now in-game the Engineer gets a new cyborg hand. That's too far to be coincidence.
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126	[[WMG: Rojo's brutality started with a heavy blow to the [[GroinAttack gonads]].]]
127	He took BLU scout's kick to the crotch pretty well. Perhaps this is due to some sort of super-tough spy training, but what if it's because he has nothing to kick there? Maybe he became a eunuch because of a botched mission and, [[FreudianExcuse in an attempt to reassure people of his masculinity]], became more vicious and unmerciful.
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129	[[WMG: [[spoiler:Bleu will die.]]]]
130	[[spoiler:[[AnyoneCanDie With the setting]], it's possible.[[http://tf2.skyscrapersoup.com/?p=238 Page 107]] makes this very likely.]]
131	** [[spoiler: Jossed. Bleu survives. Look at page 108.]]
132	** [[spoiler: Well, he's not dead as of that page. He survived Rojo's attack, but it ain't over yet.]]
133	** [[spoiler: A few pages later, he's getting patched up.]] [[supersecretspoiler: Unless it's all a hallucination.]]
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135	[[WMG: Rojo is/was/has/wants to rape Medic]]
136	This has pretty much been accepted by the community, but is worth posting anyway.
137
138	[[WMG: Bleu is asexual.]]
139	He's completely and utterly ObliviousToLove, but it's more than that. He has no clue what Heavy's wishing Scout luck with [[https://web.archive.org/web/20190905160644/http://tf2.skyscrapersoup.com/2010/08/12/109-in-which-there-is-less-clothing-than-usual/ here,]] despite the fact that he and Scout are in their skivvies and on the same bed. He doesn't interpret ANY of Scout's behavior in a sexual or romantic context, simply because it doesn't occur to him. Similarly, when Red is flirting with him early in the comic, he doesn't seem to know that that's what he's doing, and he also says talking about Red and Sniper's relationship was 'educational,' [[https://web.archive.org/web/20170928134403/http://tf2.skyscrapersoup.com/2008/10/25/10-son-of-a-whore/ here.]] Also, he has no idea why Liam doesn't want to talk [[https://web.archive.org/web/20190905174638/http://tf2.skyscrapersoup.com/2009/08/27/66-pickle-thief/ here]] (hint: Red is 'visiting'). And when Scout confesses his feelings, he says he is 'fond' of him. [[Tropers/MegTheMaggot I]] am asexual, and have a tendency to describe my significant others in vague, platonic-ish terms ('fond', he or she is 'sweet', 'close', et cetera). I'm probably projecting, but I think it adds another layer to the story. Also, I'm assuming Bleu is asexual but not aromantic.
140	** More likely to be a facet of Bleu's "not a good spy" character trait. In addition to killing people, Spies are also supposed to be charismatic smooth-talkers who can get into the pants of enemies' mothers. Bleu, instead, is socially inept and a clutz with intimacy. There's also [[http://yaoi.y-gallery.net/view/609483/ this (NSFW.)]]
141	** And now this bit of [[http://kytri.deviantart.com/art/facenom-189638311 squee-inducing moment]], [[spoiler: although, it does take place in TWIYEH-verse]].
142	** It's in regards to TWIYEH, but...
143	-> Kytri: [[http://kytri.tumblr.com/post/7467564084/i-know-a-similar-question-was-asked-before-but-where [Jordi]’s mostly asexual, and pretty much only entertains fantasies in response to someone showing an interest in him.]]
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145	[[WMG: BLU Medic is in on Rojo's plan.]]
146	I know he's supposed to be a sadistic mad doctor, but not even someone like that should be ''that'' eager to [[spoiler: euthanize Scout]] unless he's getting something out of it.
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148	[[WMG: Ever since his arrival, Rojo has been the BLU Medic all along.]]
149	It was never shown on page, but Rojo's first victim was actually the BLU medic. The team will eventually find the body of the real medic.
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151	[[WMG: [[spoiler:The Blue Medic was directly working against Rojo to protect the team.]]]]
152	As we know, Rojo's goal is to disable all of BLU Team, for all we know so far, he doesn't want them dead. Medic is working against this by killing those Rojo has already gotten to. If Medic didn't try kill them, all of BLU team would eventually be nothing but human shaped targets while RED steamrolls them. He's doing what's best for the team as a WHOLE, even if it means finishing off his own teammates. (This still doesn't take away from the fact that he is a jerk)
153	** Confirmed.
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155	[[WMG: The former BLU Spy was even worse than Rojo.]]
156	And he focused his evilness in the RED Pyro.
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158	[[WMG: [[spoiler: Medic's death will initially be blamed on Rojo, or will be thought of as suicide.]]]]
159	Now that Heavy has found [[spoiler:Medic's body]], the main blame will be placed on Rojo (perhaps by Jeremy), who is seen as the main threat at the moment. Additionally, [[spoiler:Medic's death]] may be (accidentally) thought of a [[spoiler:suicide]], thinking along the lines of that Rojo had incacipated him somehow, and so in order not to be a dead weight on the team, [[spoiler:Medic]] then killed himself.
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161	[[WMG: Rojo, like Bleu, has a killing inhibition.]]
162	Rojo leaves each of his victims alive, opting to cripple them instead of killing them. Supposedly, he does so to make sure the BLU team won't recieve replacements, but the real reason he doesn't kill them is because he ''can't''. That's why he left Bleu alive (and tied up) on the train and the same reason he hasn't victimized Heavy, Demoman, Medic, or Pyro: he can't think of a way to disable them without killing them.
163	The comic's finale will involve Bleu's character arc coming to a conclusion and willing himself to overcome his killing inhibition before Rojo can do the same. This will result in him becoming the ruthless, backstabbing, suave, sociopath that spies are in-canon for an extremely dark DownerEnding.
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165	[[WMG: Rojo will have a HeelRealization.]]
166	Rojo [[WrongGenreSavvy believes he's the hero]], [[WellIntentionedExtremist doing whatever it takes]] to defeat BLU. He doesn't see his opponents as people with their own hopes, dreams and weaknesses; he only sees soldiers, and thinks that he's cleverly gaming the system. When this blows up in his face and he's finally forced to see the others as ''more'' than just RED or BLU members, and discovers that not all of them even ''want'' to be there... And will be faced with a SadisticChoice: [[spoiler: Let the escapees run away from the war, giving them a chance at happy, normal lives even though that will mean sacrificing all he's done so far... Or stop them despite their not ''wanting'' to fight, which will involve attacking ''his own teammates''.]]
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168	This will not go over well. Most likely, he'll try to [[IgnoredEpiphany ignore this]] or [[VillainousBreakdown frantically fall back]] [[IDidWhatIHadToDo on his various justifications as they are relentlessly stripped away]].
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170	[[WMG:Rojo is [[{{Series/Dollhouse}} Alpha]]]]
171	As a number of people have pointed out, it is... rather unlikely that he would be able to [[spoiler:''cleanly'' remove BLU Sniper's eyes]], implying no struggle, while the latter was still conscious. Unless, of course, he had no ''time'' to struggle. And who else do we know who's able to commit incredible acts of violence in a ridiculously short amount of time? Alpha, of course.
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173	[[WMG:Bleu will make a FaceHeelTurn.]]
174	[[FakeDefector Or at least, he will pretend to.]] After all, a spy's all about deception, isn't he? As part of his character development, he'll get more badass as to becoming a good spy. And of course, he'll pull off the rather infamous yet cliche line to Rojo (or whoever else antagonizes him) "I never really was on your side".
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176	[[WMG:Rojo is a woman.]]
177	He didn't react at all to being kicked in the groin, and is awfully pretty.
178	* A proper kick to the groin is by no means painless for the ladies either...
179
180	[[WMG: The story is technically being told InMediasRes.]]
181	Bleu is pinned down somewhere recording into a tape deak after his escape failed. This could still be a BittersweetEnding if Bleu's escape failed as part of a HeroicSacrifice
182	[[WMG: The entire series is a metaphor for Prison]]
183	There are no women(which explains the HoYay) and the main cast is trying to escape. Coincidence?

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