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| 3 | [[folder:Pre-release Theories]] |
| 4 | [[WMG: The Winter Soldier will be revealed to have caused some major past events in the MCU]] |
| 5 | Possibly, he killed Howard and Maria Stark, making it look like an accident. Alternately... |
| 6 | * He took Nick Fury's eye, possibly under torture, or as the result of failed assassination. |
| 7 | ** [[spoiler: Partially confirmed. He is behind the deaths of Howard and Maria Stark. ]] |
| 8 | ** Not exactly, [[spoiler: HYDRA is behind their deaths. It is never stated exactly who killed them.]] |
| 9 | *** [[spoiler: Not until Civil War, anyway, which confirms Bucky/The Winter Soldier was the one who killed them]] |
| 10 | |
| 11 | [[WMG: The Red Skull is behind the Winter Soldier.]] |
| 12 | He plopped down in some field in the middle of Russia. The Soviet Government snapped him up and put him to work in the Red Room doing Mad Scientist things, planning to kill him when he was no longer of use. The Skull eventually out maneuvered his Soviet captors possibly engineering the collapse of the USSR, all the while making evil science things. The crown jewel of his collection the Winter Soldier, [[spoiler:James "Bucky" Barnes, the best friend of his most hated enemy]] twisted into his loyal servant. |
| 13 | * Or the Russians won't be involved at all; the Winter Soldier will be part of TheReveal that HYDRA is still around in the present day. |
| 14 | ** Hydra ''are'' still around. Red Skull ''wasn't'' seen in Captain America: The Winter Soldier. The Russians ''were'' responsible for the Winter Soldier. |
| 15 | |
| 16 | [[WMG: Cap will be getting a new outfit for the film.]] |
| 17 | From a marketing standpoint, the urge to update Cap's costume to sell new action figures and the like is something that Marvel & Disney surely can't be passing up on. On the story side of things, Cap's outfit from ''The Avengers'' got roughed up something fierce during the final battle in New York, so I'd imagine he'd modify it in some way or form. |
| 18 | * Confirmed. He's getting at least one new outfit based on the Commander Rogers uniform from the comics. |
| 19 | |
| 20 | [[WMG: The Winter Soldier will have some relation to Black Widow.]] |
| 21 | If they choose to keep the Soviet angle for Winter Soldier, the idea that he may have crossed paths with Black Widow at some point before she joined SHIELD could present some interesting story developments. |
| 22 | * Comic canon has the Winter Soldier being Black Widow's instructor/Lover before he was put back on ice. I have nothing for the movie. |
| 23 | * Jossed; Black Widow's only encounter with him before the movie was that he successfully assassinated someone she was guarding. |
| 24 | * Not quite. It's the only one she mentions, and she's not exactly famous for telling people everything. Also, she seems tad too familiar with his modus operandi and equipment for a single encounter. |
| 25 | |
| 26 | [[WMG: Steve will appear on ''Series/TheColbertReport'']] |
| 27 | It will be the most American thing ever. |
| 28 | * Seems to be mostly a joke but....Jossed. |
| 29 | |
| 30 | [[WMG: Steve will be killed either in the end of this movie, or in the beginning of the third one, and the third one will be about Bucky becoming Cap.]] |
| 31 | * It would make a good BittersweetEnding to have Steve free Bucky from the mind-control, only to be killed shortly after that. Steve getting killed in the beginning of the third movie is more likely (it would allow him to be in Avengers 2), but killing him at the end of this one would be better. If he dies in this one, Avengers 2 would feature SHIELD agent John Walker, who would put on Cap's costume for the final battle, but in the beginning of the third Cap movie, he would realize he doesn't deserve to be Cap. |
| 32 | ** Chris Evans is confirmed to play Cap in ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'', but I like the idea of Bucky becoming the new Cap in that movie (even if it means Steve dies). |
| 33 | |
| 34 | [[WMG: Steve turns Winter Soldier good, who ends up surviving at the end.]] |
| 35 | * It would be nice to give Cap a happy ending for once, and what could be a more happier ending than restoring your brainwashed friend back to normal and said friend living to tell the story? |
| 36 | ** Confirmed. The Winter Soldier's fight with Steve lets the former begin to remember his past life, which lead to this. |
| 37 | |
| 38 | [[WMG: The Stinger will reveal that the Red Skull is Alive!]] |
| 39 | * And that he is a member of the world security council under the name "[[SignificantAnagram Dell Rusk]]" |
| 40 | ** And nuclear strike on Manhattan from The Avengers was his idea. |
| 41 | *** Jossed. Red Skull isn't in TWS at all. |
| 42 | *** [[spoiler: Although he is confirmed to be alive in ''Infinity War''...but he's just hanging around on the planet Vormir, guarding the Soul Stone]]. |
| 43 | |
| 44 | [[WMG: Cap will first encounter Sharon Carter when he fights Batroc the Leaper]] |
| 45 | * This is how it played out in Sharon's first appearance in ''Tales of Suspense'' #75, so having Cap first meet her in a similar manner would be a pretty good MythologyGag to use. |
| 46 | ** Jossed. She's his next door neighbor in the apartment building he lives in. |
| 47 | |
| 48 | [[WMG: Robert Redford's character will be the BigBad]] |
| 49 | * Pierce. Alexander Pierce. Alias for Aleksander Lukin. |
| 50 | ** Unlikely. Alexander Goodwin Pierce is an established Marvel character. |
| 51 | *** As seen with ''Film/IronMan3'', the MCU isn't afraid to make drastic changes to certain characters if need be, so merging Agent Pierce and Lukin into one character isn't probably out of the question just yet. |
| 52 | * Confirmed. |
| 53 | |
| 54 | [[WMG: Sharon Carter will be DemotedToExtra]] |
| 55 | * She'll cameo as Peggy's niece, but won't have any profound connection to Cap. |
| 56 | ** Alternatively, her significance will only be foreshadowed and be kept in the background for the most part in the movie, with said element becoming a major plot point in ''Captain America 3'' instead. |
| 57 | * Jossed, she's an active SHIELD agent posing as Cap's neighbor and keeping tabs on him. She also shows up in the final battle. Still an extra, but a very important one. |
| 58 | |
| 59 | [[WMG: Sharon's identity will be concealed for most of the film]] |
| 60 | * In other words, she'll simply go by Agent 13 for most of the film. This means that at the end (or near the end) of the movie, Cap (and subsequently, the audience) will find out her true identity as Sharon Carter. |
| 61 | ** Unlikely, as [[ComicBookMoviesDontUseCodenames SHIELD agents don't go by their codenames in the MCU]]. Hawkeyes and Black Widow are for the most part known as Agent Barton and Agent Romanoff. |
| 62 | *** Maybe she will be required to keep her identity secret because no one knows how Steve would react to meet someone related to Peggy. Then, during an action scene near the end, she will be in danger and someone (Fury, Pierce, Maria Hill, Natasha,...) will yell "Carter!". |
| 63 | ** Apparently, her identity will be concealed, but in a different way: she will use an alias (Kate). |
| 64 | *** Jossed, but we never hear her last name so neither Steve or people unfamiliar with the character actually know she's Peggy's niece (she does mention having a "crazy aunt" at one point). She finally reveals her last name to Steve in Civil War. |
| 65 | |
| 66 | [[WMG: Emily [=VanCamp=] isn't playing Sharon Carter]] |
| 67 | * She's only been referred to in release notes as Agent 13, not Sharon Carter. So, unless they're trying to keep her being Peggy's relative a secret to be revealed during the film, something's fishy. |
| 68 | ** She could be playing Sin (who was a major villain in the comics in Brubaker's run on Captain America) |
| 69 | ** It's possible she could be playing Bobbi Morse AKA Mockingbird, previously Agent 19 of SHIELD. |
| 70 | *** At the San Diego Comic-Con, it was confirmed that EVC is indeed playing Agent 13, so it's safe to say that this theory's jossed. |
| 71 | |
| 72 | [[WMG: Nick Fury was fired after the events of ''Film/IronMan3'']] |
| 73 | * His refusal to comply with the the World Security Council's decisions had put him on very thin ice. SHIELD's inaction in regards to the Extremis attacks provide an excuse to fire him. He gets replaced by Alexander Pierce. |
| 74 | ** The trailers show him still very much in charge of SHIELD, not to mention his cameo in ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD''. |
| 75 | *** Of course, that doesn't prevent Fury from being supplanted by Pierce (or whomever else) within the movie itself. |
| 76 | *** Jossed. He's still in SHIELD until the events of TWS. |
| 77 | |
| 78 | [[WMG: Alexander Pierce has some unfinished business with the Winter Soldier]] |
| 79 | * Perhaps, he may have encountered Winter Soldier some time ago and may have lost some good men and women to the brainwashed assassin. This would give him enough of an onus to help Cap out with taking down Winter Soldier. It may also make it an ItsPersonal situation for Pierce, too. |
| 80 | * Jossed. |
| 81 | |
| 82 | [[WMG: There is no Winter Soldier]] |
| 83 | * He is a red herring crafted by Batroc. |
| 84 | ** [[Film/IronMan3 Yeah, yeah, we get it.]] |
| 85 | *** This was a joke about [=IM3's=] twist but.... Jossed, obviously. |
| 86 | |
| 87 | [[WMG: The Winter Soldier was created by [[Film/IronMan3 AIM]].]] |
| 88 | * Though [[spoiler: The Mandarin]] was killed during Iron Man 3, AIM is probably still around in some form or another - they are described as a think-tank, and probably have other divisions besides the ones producing Extremis. One of these divisions will be responsible for the Winter Soldier, and if/once he makes a face turn, him and Cap will team up to take them out. |
| 89 | ** Except Bucky fell off the train 50 years before AIM was ever founded. |
| 90 | *** Jossed. HYDRA and Zola made him. |
| 91 | |
| 92 | [[WMG: Winter Soldier will be the antagonist for about 2/3 of the movie.]] |
| 93 | * Sometime around 2/3 into the movie, Winter Soldier will remember who he is. He will be plagued by guilt for a part of the movie, but will join Steve for the final battle against Crossbones. |
| 94 | ** Jossed. He's a villain for the whole film basically. |
| 95 | |
| 96 | [[WMG: Winter Soldier will assassinate the President.]] |
| 97 | * The film is set primarily in Washington DC, and the Winter Soldier is an infamous assassin, so... he could end up assassinating President Ellis, who was previously featured in ''Film/IronMan3''. It would interesting to see Captain fail to save someone that important. |
| 98 | * Jossed, but not for lack of trying. |
| 99 | ** However, [[spoiler:The President was apparently one of the targets that the Hydra-influenced SHIELD was planning on going after.]] |
| 100 | |
| 101 | [[WMG: Winter Soldier will kill Peggy Carter]] |
| 102 | What's an even worse way for the villains behind the Winter Soldier to further twist the knife in Cap's back? By having his brainwashed friend murder his now-elderly World War II love and ally, of course. [[spoiler:There have been also scenes filmed around a cemetery, so it's not out of the question that Steve's visiting Peggy's grave after she's died.]] |
| 103 | * She's already really old, that kinda just seems like a waste of time... |
| 104 | ** Jossed. Peggy survives the film. |
| 105 | |
| 106 | [[WMG: TheStinger will lead to Ultron's creation]] |
| 107 | Going with the theory that Nick Fury was fired for not acting against the Mandarin, World Council created Ultron to be their foot soldier to compete with the Avengers, what happens next should be self explanatory. |
| 108 | * Jossed. There is a lead-in which is related to ''The Avengers: [=AoU=]'' but it doesn't involve Ultron. |
| 109 | |
| 110 | [[WMG: Natasha will be TheMole]] |
| 111 | A big theme of the movie is Steve not knowing who to trust and having trouble telling his friends from his enemies, and Avengers: Age of Ultron is said to be going all about the team getting torn apart. Much talk has also been made about Natasha and Steve's close friendships, and what better demonstration of those themes than Steve's closest friend being disloyal? It won't be a FaceHeelTurn, as she will be back as an Avenger, but their bond will be tested and torn. |
| 112 | * Jossed. Black Widow's good the whole movie (although Steve does doubt her at the begining, so there is some trust issues). |
| 113 | |
| 114 | [[WMG: TheStinger will be Steve and maybe [[spoiler:Bucky]] and Natasha joining up with the Science Bros in Stark Tower]] |
| 115 | * It's been said that Steve has issues about working for SHIELD, so I can see him quitting at the end of the film to rejoin the less morally ambiguous Avengers fulltime, setting up for Age of Ultron. It could even have some banter about who's in charge, Tony or Cap. |
| 116 | ** And who has better support: "I have a Hulk." "Yeah? I have a bioengineered super-assassin." And Natasha just rolling her eyes. |
| 117 | *** Jossed. The stingers don't involve Cap or Widow. One does involve Bucky but not in this context. |
| 118 | |
| 119 | [[WMG: This story will be about the formation of HAMMER]] |
| 120 | * The man in the trailer that Steve talks to will be an {{Expy}} of ComicBook/NormanOsborn. |
| 121 | ** The latest episode of ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'' shows a sign with "HAMMER" on it, which can be assumed that the organization already exists as part of SHIELD. That being said, it could very well become the name for [[spoiler:the group that Alexander Pierce decides to take control of in the film.]] |
| 122 | ** Maybe Justin Hammer wasn't [[spoiler:locked up for good]] after the events of ''Film/IronMan2'' ... |
| 123 | *** The Marvel One-Shot attached to the Thor 2 Blu-Ray shows that Hammer is indeed still in prison. |
| 124 | *** Jossed. Going from TWS' ending we won't be seeing any organizations for a few films. |
| 125 | |
| 126 | [[WMG: SHIELD is building an arsenal in response to the Chitauri invasion and Malekith's attack on London]] |
| 127 | * The events of both films will be mentioned as part of their explanation. |
| 128 | ** Confirmed, although only the New York invasion is mentioned. |
| 129 | |
| 130 | [[WMG: Steve will learn that Coulson is alive]] |
| 131 | * Since a major theme in this movie will be Cap mistrusting SHIELD, finding out that they hid Coulson's survival away from him and the other Avengers could be the last straw for him. Bonus points if he also finds out that Coulson CameBackWrong. |
| 132 | ** [[TheDogWasTheMastermind Maybe Coulson IS the Winter Soldier!]] |
| 133 | *** Jossed. Coulson doesn't even get mentioned. |
| 134 | |
| 135 | [[WMG: Carol Danvers and Frank Castle will make cameos as SHIELD agents]] |
| 136 | * And Castle will be in past tense due to something 'horrible' happening and him 'going off the deep end' |
| 137 | ** Jossed. Neither appear or get mentioned. |
| 138 | |
| 139 | [[WMG: The second half of the film will be Cap (and Black Widow and the Falcon) vs. SHIELD]] |
| 140 | * While the Winter Soldier and his crew will also be villains, Cap will get so fed up with how SHIELD and the US Government operates that he'll go rogue and Nick Fury will be forced to come after him. This would continue the idea in ''The Avengers'' that the team need to become their own unit rather than SHIELD's lapdogs, because SHIELD can't be trusted to help people. |
| 141 | * Alternatively, given the brief shot in the trailer of [[spoiler:Nick Fury in surgery, in seemingly-critical condition]], a less-positive element takes over SHIELD and decides Cap is more of a liability than an asset. |
| 142 | ** I recall a scene where Winter Soldier blew up Fury's car, so it seems likely. |
| 143 | * Confirmed, kind of. More like Cap, Black Widow, the Falcon, Fury, and Hill (and later all the non-HYDRA SHIELD members) against SHIELD infiltrators. |
| 144 | |
| 145 | [[WMG: Pierce is talking to the Winter Soldier about "shaping the century."]] |
| 146 | * He's hiring him to assassinate Fury, and maybe other SHIELD defectors. |
| 147 | ** Confirmed. |
| 148 | |
| 149 | [[WMG: The Film has been described as 'a 70s Spy Thriller set in the world of Super heroes' or some such and features Robert Redford as a Govt. Official... ]] |
| 150 | * Regardless of what RR's character is named he will be A if not THE Bad guy if for no other reason than an ActorAllusion to all the times RR played the hero of such films |
| 151 | ** [[NarrowedItDownToTheGuyIRecognize I concur]]. They wouldn't bother casting such a big-name actor and feature him in all the advertising if this wasn't going to be an important part. |
| 152 | *** Confirmed. |
| 153 | |
| 154 | [[WMG: Natasha and Steve...]] |
| 155 | * On the topic of Natasha and Steve I wonder why it is mentioned as love interest on the main page when it was already denied by Scarlett, Evans and several filmmakers and Emily Vancamp confirmed that Kate/Sharon is Steve's love interest. |
| 156 | ** Because shippers. Actually, Steve never properly hooks up with anyone during the movie. |
| 157 | |
| 158 | [[WMG: Steve and Natasha have sex, or sleep together]] |
| 159 | * In the new UK and Ireland trailer we see Steve in jeans and a white muscle shirt appearing to be coming out of the bathroom and facing Natasha, who is on a bed in a black camisole. This troper believes they do ''something'' |
| 160 | ** Jossed. This is after they survive an explosion that nearly kills them, necessitating the {{fanservice}} (they clean up at The Falcon's house). |
| 161 | *** They do kiss, if that somehow pleases the OP. |
| 162 | |
| 163 | [[WMG: TheStinger will be a goofy/heartwarming [[spoiler:Bucky]]/Natasha ShipTease]] |
| 164 | * The Stingers for Phase 2 seem to be much less serious and plot-oriented than those for Phase 1, and the two of them were an OfficialCouple in the comics. |
| 165 | ** If by "the stingers for Phase 2" you mean "the stinger for Iron Man 3," I agree with you. Thor: The Dark World had a killer stinger revealing the Tesseract and the Aether to be Infinity Gems. |
| 166 | ** Jossed, [[spoiler: neither of the post-credits scenes show Natasha and both are serious]]. However, the second stinger for ''The Dark World'' was a goofy scene with the Jotunheim creature chasing birds on Earth. |
| 167 | |
| 168 | [[WMG: The Winter Soldier will [[spoiler:kill The Falcon]]]] |
| 169 | * There is a shot in the second trailer of [[spoiler: a teary-eyed Natasha and Steve standing over a corpse with a blanket on it. Maria Hill is standing behind them. It can't be Nick Fury, considering that Samuel L. Jackson has signed up for more movies, and the buddy cop -attitude they are building for Steve and Sam is very likely to end in tragedy.]] |
| 170 | ** [[spoiler: BlackDudeDiesFirst?]] |
| 171 | ** [[http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=114908#/slide/3 It seems that Anthony Mackie has been lobbying hard]] for a part in [[Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron Age of Ultron]], which makes this unlikely (though of course, [[TrollingCreator not]] [[ComicBookDeath impossible]]). |
| 172 | ** They better not [[spoiler: kill him off, we need all the minority superheroes we can get. The corpse could be of a young SHIELD agent or a civilian who got caught in the cross-fire or Peggy or someone else Steve knew back in the day.]] |
| 173 | *** Jossed. [[spoiler:Falcon survives the film, and even opts to join in with Steve on the mission to search for the Winter Soldier at the end.]] |
| 174 | |
| 175 | [[WMG: The ending will involve Steve getting fed up with SHIELD and quitting.]] |
| 176 | * He'll go join the Science Bros in Avengers Tower, possibly bringing Natasha and memory restored![[spoiler:Bucky]] with him. |
| 177 | ** Jossed. [[spoiler:SHIELD in general is disbanded.]] |
| 178 | |
| 179 | [[WMG: The ending will reveal that Baron Wolfgang von Strucker was behind Winter Soldier's creation]] |
| 180 | * Apparently, Hugo Weaving will not return as Red Skull, and Strucker would make a good replacement for him, especially considering that movie!Skull was already a CompositeCharacter with him. Also, this movie is supposed to lead directly into Age of Ultron, and Strucker appears in that one. |
| 181 | ** Jossed. [[spoiler:It was Zola. But Strucker DOES appear in TheStinger, albeit without being explicitly named.]] |
| 182 | |
| 183 | [[WMG: Steve will find out Coulson is alive when Coulson rushes into a meeting to say the [[spoiler:The Winter Soldier is Bucky]]... five seconds after Steve figures it out.]] |
| 184 | * Because if anyone is looking over the old tapes, it's him. |
| 185 | ** Jossed. Coulson's not in the movie at all nor is he mentioned. |
| 186 | ** [[Recap/AgentsOfSHIELDS1E16EndOfTheBeginning Besides, Coulson's found out about the HYDRA infestation the hard way]]. |
| 187 | |
| 188 | [[WMG: The Winter Soldier will run off at the end]] |
| 189 | * Much like the comic, [[spoiler: Bucky]] will neither die nor join up with Cap at the end of the movie. Instead he'll run off after getting his memories back, only to turn up as DeusExMachina for Steve [[Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron sometime later]]. |
| 190 | * Confirmed. |
| 191 | |
| 192 | [[WMG: TheStinger will be...]] |
| 193 | * ...an ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'' teaser. The first Cap movie came out about a year before Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}and had a trailer for that movie after the credits. And this movie comes out about a year before Age of Ultron... |
| 194 | ** Seems likely. It has been said that this movie leads directly into [=AoU=]. |
| 195 | *** Confirmed. The mid-credits stinger is directly related to [=AoU=]. |
| 196 | |
| 197 | [[WMG: Nick Fury will fake his death]] |
| 198 | * The trailer shows that the Winter Soldier is gunning for Fury, and doesn't care how gets killed for being in his way. Fury fakes his death to minimise the SHIELD casualties and to let him investigate who hired WS to kill him. This also explains why Maria Hill is in the film, as she'll take over as head of SHIELD while Fury is "dead" |
| 199 | ** This would explain Cap mentioning "Fury's last words" in one of the TV spots. |
| 200 | *** And also why in the latest Agents of Shield episode Coulson is told that Fury has gone off the grid. |
| 201 | * Confirmed. |
| 202 | |
| 203 | [[WMG: "Redwing" will be the name of Sam's flight suit/A.I./mission control/flying spy cam.]] |
| 204 | Because I'm assuming he won't have an actual [[NonHumanSidekick animal sidekick]] like he does in the comics. |
| 205 | * Alternatively, he will have an actual pet falcon named Redwing that he talks to, it just won't fight crime or have a psychic connection with him. |
| 206 | * Jossed. Falcon's suit is called "Falcon.". |
| 207 | * Confirmed in '''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar''', as Redwing is Sam's recon drone. |
| 208 | ** "Pet him, he's cute!" |
| 209 | |
| 210 | [[WMG: The dead person under the sheet in the second trailer]] |
| 211 | * Probably won't be anyone from Steve's past. In the clip Steve, Maria, and Natasha are in the room with the corpse. Steve looks solemn, Maria looks distracted, and Natasha is the only one who looks [[NotSoStoic genuinely upset]]. We saw what a wreck Steve was after Bucky fell off the train in the first movie, so it's unlikely he'd be that stoic after the death of someone he was close to. Also probably not Nick Fury, both because Maria doesn't seem very upset and because Creator/SamuelLJackson is signed up for like four more movies. So it could be: |
| 212 | ** Coulson, with the scene being a flashback to just after ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'' |
| 213 | ** Hawkeye (unlikely, because Creator/JeremyRenner isn't in this movie and is confirmed for Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron) |
| 214 | ** Sharon Carter (though it'd be a shame to introduce her just to kill her off.) |
| 215 | ** The Falcon (see above WMG) |
| 216 | ** Someone from Natasha's past (another Red Room alumnus?) |
| 217 | ** The Winter Soldier, actually having been killed at the end of the film (again, unlikely because of Steve's stoic expression). |
| 218 | ** The Winter Soldier, not actually dead and pulling a variation of the TrojanPrisoner gambit. |
| 219 | ** Someone (possibly either Nick Fury or [[spoiler: Bucky]]) FakingTheDead in order to disappear for a while (Steve and Maria's detached expressions could be because they're in on it.) |
| 220 | *** Confirmed. [[spoiler: It's Fury faking his death. The only other main character in on it was Maria.]] |
| 221 | |
| 222 | [[WMG: Winter Soldier will die]] |
| 223 | * In the comics, his programming was broken through the use of the Cosmic Cube. In the movie, Cap doesn't have access to it, and therefore, Winter Soldier will have to be dealt with in a different way. |
| 224 | ** Sebastian Stan has a nine-movie deal with Marvel. |
| 225 | *** Jossed. The Winter Soldier survives the whole film. |
| 226 | |
| 227 | [[WMG: The Winter Soldier won't be [[spoiler:Bucky]]]] |
| 228 | * Since ''Film/IronMan3'' showed that the movies are willing to depart from established Marvel canon in a big way, this would be a perfect second stage of that. |
| 229 | ** The Iron Man thing was retconned in "All Hail The King" because the fans hated that departure and The Winter Soldier sure looks like SebastianStan, who played Bucky. |
| 230 | *** Jossed. It's Bucky. |
| 231 | |
| 232 | [[WMG: Black Widow already knows Winter Soldier's identity, but she will keep it secret from Cap]] |
| 233 | * In the comics, she has backstory with the Winter Soldier, so that might be carried over to the movie. When Cap figures out Winter Soldier's identity, he will find out that she knew it already. This will make Cap question SHIELD even more. |
| 234 | ** Jossed. Black Widow didn't know who he was. |
| 235 | |
| 236 | [[WMG: The team from ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'' will make an appearance of some sort, if even just a cameo.]] |
| 237 | * Jossed. Not even a mention. |
| 238 | |
| 239 | [[WMG: Steve will find out that Coulson is alive in this movie.]] |
| 240 | * Jossed. He isn't mentioned or makes an appearance. |
| 241 | [[/folder]] |
| 242 | |
| 243 | |
| 244 | [[folder:Post-release theories]] |
| 245 | [[WMG: The shadowy nemesis of Coulson's team the Clairvoyant is Arnim Zola.]] |
| 246 | * Agent Sitwell while being interrogated reveals that Arnim Zola ,who uploaded his mind in a computer, can predict the future through pattern recognition using various databases. |
| 247 | ** That does seem to make sense given the "job description", but unless Zola survived the explosion (unlikely, seeing as Price noted that they lost him) it would be weird if [=AoS=] would write him off as killed outside of the show. |
| 248 | *** Being an AI, Zola has opportunity to do Hydra's motto of "Cut off one head, two would take its place". Also it would make sense if the Insight algorithm is also an AI copy of himself. |
| 249 | ** Jossed. The Clairvoyant is [[spoiler: John Garret.]] |
| 250 | |
| 251 | [[WMG: In the aftermath of the dissolution of S.H.I.E.L.D, Steve will be called to head a new intelligence agency in Fury's place, postponing his search for Bucky.]] |
| 252 | * Jossed. Agent Phil Coulson is made the Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. by Nick, after the events of the Winter Soldier and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., in charge of re-establishing the agency starting with his team. |
| 253 | |
| 254 | [[WMG: Arnim Zola is not dead]] |
| 255 | * It's not as if he did not have time to learn how to upload his mind to the Internet or backup it someplace else. Sitwell may not have been made aware of it to prevent leaks. If he needed help, Zola likely had a protege who is a specialist in robotics and transferring consciousnesses into such extremely sophisticated machines, and another member of Cap's RoguesGallery: Samuel Saxon aka The Machinesmith. |
| 256 | ** Alternatively, he uploads his brain into [[ComicBook/{{MODOK}} an android with a head for a body designed only for killing and/or chaos]]. Though this character was already in the game version of ''Film/IronMan3'' but it's unlikely that video game adaptations are canon. |
| 257 | * He probably uploaded himself on that flash drive Black Widow put into his computer's modem, knowing Steve and Natasha would need it later and couldn't let it be destroyed. Note that she takes it with her when they escape. |
| 258 | * In the original script, he was supposed to get up and walk away in his robot body before the missile hit, but this was deemed a bit much so it was cut. Still could indicate there are future plans for Zola. Such as having a hand in Ultron's FaceHeelTurn. |
| 259 | ** Indirectly Confirmed. The animated series ''WesternAnimation/WhatIf2021'' has Natasha and Clint finding another A.I. copy of Zola in an alternate timeline where Ultron won but the events of ''Captain America: The Winter Soldier'' played out exact as it did in the Sacred Timeline. And it's stated that there were many Zola copies made but the nuclear holocaust destroyed all but one, which is enough for Zola to cooperate with the surviving Avengers out of fear. Considering that Zola shows no fear when he's about to be blown up by the missile yet is otherwise a DirtyCoward, it stands to reason he made several copies of himself hidden away in various HYDRA locations, waiting for the right time to emerge. |
| 260 | |
| 261 | [[WMG: Crossbones will be the main villain of the third film.]] |
| 262 | * Seeing as how Rumlow is alive and Frank Grillo was originally reported to play Crossbones, not to mention that Grillo has mentioned that the character will be back somehow. Frank Grill ''is'' Crossbones. Brock Rumlow is his name. It could seriously happen. |
| 263 | ** Jossed. He shows up in the third film, but is very quickly killed. |
| 264 | |
| 265 | [[WMG: Arnim Zola's algorithm also targets bad guys.]] |
| 266 | * The algorithm is explicitly stated to target anyone that might be a threat to HYDRA. This not only includes good guys but also bad guys that have their own agenda. If Aldrich Killian, Obadiah Stane, Justin Hammer, Thunderbolt Ross, and Loki were still doing their own thing on Earth, they would be targeted. Assuming it's up-to-date [[spoiler: Stane and Killian wouldn't be on that list, on account of them being dead already.]] |
| 267 | ** Unless one assumes that Stane was a mole for HYDRA. |
| 268 | |
| 269 | [[WMG: Senator Stern defected to Hydra because of Tony]] |
| 270 | * Instead of having Stern after the Iron Man suit for some nefarious purpose, maybe he was genuine about using it for national defense at the time. Then some rich idiot screws with him, gives him the run around, and ultimately humiliates him. This would be the perfect catalyst for a HYDRA agent to recruit him with their "we're doing what's best for the world" rhetoric. Something akin to: |
| 271 | --> '''HYDRA Agent:''' Senator, the American people are backing this complete moron! We can ensure a world where screwballs like that don't exist! |
| 272 | --> '''Stern:''' I'm in! |
| 273 | |
| 274 | [[WMG: SHIELD will eventually reform.]] |
| 275 | Confirmed. Agent Coulson is the new Director. |
| 276 | * They are doing their own version of what HYDRA did: integrating into other agencies or private businesses while waiting for a chance to re-emerge. |
| 277 | Jossed. Agent Coulson is forming the new agency around his own team. The rest of the loyal S.H.I.E.L.D. agents are mostly going to work in the private sector. |
| 278 | ** SHIELD may reform with freedom of information philosophy after seeing what happened with ultimate secrecy. Unlikely, but it would be very cool to see the covert ops guys giving information over to the public, only being secretive about future or current operations to secure the lives of operatives. |
| 279 | Mostly Jossed. The team that forms the new S.H.I.E.L.D. did have a reputation for giving out information and includes a hacker that used to belong to a 'free-information' wiki-leaks style organisation, but Coulson's response to the Hydra takeover was to have the hacker erase all trace of their previous identities and go into hiding in S.H.I.E.L.D. bases so secret that Fury never even entered them into his own records. |
| 280 | *** [[spoiler: More like confirmed at this point: as of Season 4 of ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'', it's once again an official agency.]] |
| 281 | |
| 282 | [[WMG: ''Captain America 3'' will begin with Peggy's death]] |
| 283 | * It might ape CA vol 7 #1, and have Steve meeting Sharon and learning she's related to Peggy, with Bucky watching from afar. |
| 284 | ** Likely; the trailer for ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' includes a few quick shots of an official-looking funeral. |
| 285 | ** She does die, but not in the beginning. |
| 286 | |
| 287 | [[WMG: Zola's technology led to the creation of SelfDemonstrating/GLaDOS.]] |
| 288 | * There's a pretty big timeline gap, but it could have leaked slowly or eventually. |
| 289 | |
| 290 | [[WMG: The scepter in Strucker's possession is the source of Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch's powers.]] |
| 291 | So they can get around the "mutants/X-men" thing. |
| 292 | * Alternately, the scepter just activated and/or enhanced their powers - or this will be the explanation given if they can get the X-Men rights back and make them mutants. |
| 293 | * Confirmed by ''Age of Ultron''. |
| 294 | |
| 295 | [[WMG: Brock Rumlow will be given the Super Soldier Serum by HYDRA]] |
| 296 | * When last seen, Rumlow was barely alive and covered with third degree burns. He's not going to be fighting anybody ever again as is. . . but he's fiercely loyal to HYDRA, and should have a personal grudge against Cap. He's the perfect candidate for the SSS, if you don't care about the likelihood of the subject turning out evil. After all, what's the worst that happens, he dies? |
| 297 | * Jossed. [[spoiler: Rumalow is blows himself up in an attempt to kill Steve.]] |
| 298 | |
| 299 | [[WMG: Fury recovered fully from his wounds thanks to none other than [[Series/AgentsOfSHIELD GH.325]].]] |
| 300 | * Who's to say Fury, or whoever was there in his name, didn't manage to pocket a vial of the stuff for later use? That use came after the assassination attempt on Fury's life, which they had to pretend was successful. But while he did survive, look at the condition he was in at the point of TheReveal and then look at how well he was off after he returned to headquarters. |
| 301 | ** Fury knew full well about the extremely serious side effects of GH.325, from Coulson's report pre-memory-wipe. There's no way he'd be foolish enough to take it. Moreover, his fractured arm was still in a sling during the confrontation with Pierce. He's definitely not fully healed. |
| 302 | |
| 303 | [[WMG: Winter Soldier was behind the JFK assassination.]] |
| 304 | This film takes place October 2013 and it is stated that Winter Soldier has been involved in assassinations for 50 years. |
| 305 | * It's possible that Lee Harvey Oswald voluntarily acted as a cover for the Winter Soldier in the name of HYDRA... |
| 306 | |
| 307 | [[WMG: Winter Soldier/Bucky will come out of nowhere to help out in ''Avengers 2''.]] |
| 308 | Or at least have a cameo, setting up for him being a major character in ''Captain America 3''. |
| 309 | * Jossed. |
| 310 | |
| 311 | [[WMG: Fury and Natasha have sort of a weird father/daughter relationship.]] |
| 312 | Look at the way they reacted to [[spoiler:each other's injuries/(faked) death]]. |
| 313 | |
| 314 | [[WMG: Fury will keep in touch with/tabs on Maria, Coulson, Natasha, and his other favorite agents.]] |
| 315 | SHIELD will very likely be reformed at some point, and in the meantime it's possible that a proto-SHIELD information network would still exist among the major players. |
| 316 | |
| 317 | [[WMG: Ultron will come about as a result of SHIELD disbanding.]] |
| 318 | With their major security/peacekeeping force falling apart in an instant, the USA or some other government (SHIELD is international after all) will be scrambling to find something to fill in the gaps and that something is gonna be Ultron. A robot wouldn't have the same weaknesses and potential for corruption as a large group of humans after all, right? |
| 319 | * This could be caused by Tony Stark having a SanitySlippage from TheReveal that [[spoiler: Bucky killed his parents]] and that he unwittingly [[spoiler: aided HYDRA]] by [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone lending repulsor technology to SHIELD for the construction of helicarriers]]. |
| 320 | ** But was Bucky responsible for staging the car accident? There's no evidence to say that it was Bucky who personally offed Howard and Maria Stark. All we know is that HYDRA somehow arranged for their car to go off the road, no doubt thanks to help from Obadiah Stane. |
| 321 | * Ultron coming about due to that is false. [[spoiler: But Bucky sure as hell did cause the accident.]] |
| 322 | |
| 323 | [[WMG: Marvel's setting up for a Doctor Strange movie.]] |
| 324 | Them name-dropping Strange in this movie confirms it. Although it's kind of odd that a Doctor would be considered a threat, as he's probably not the Sorcerer Supreme yet and they probably wouldn't believe him if he said he was. |
| 325 | * Confirmed, thanks to ''Film/DoctorStrange2016''. |
| 326 | * After Tony Stark, Hydra considers all rich, arrogant jerks to be a threat |
| 327 | |
| 328 | [[WMG: Since he didn't find out in this movie, Steve will find out Coulson's alive in the next ''Avengers''.]] |
| 329 | Unless they have him on the TV show, but that's unlikely. |
| 330 | * Jossed. Coulson's only subsequent appearance is in ''Captain Marvel'', which is set in the 1990s. |
| 331 | |
| 332 | [[WMG: The Marvel One-Shot that will be on the DVD will be related to Falcon's recovery of his flight wings from Ft. Meade, with an assist from Hawkeye.]] |
| 333 | * Sadly jossed: [[http://screenrant.com/captain-america-2-the-winter-soldier-blu-ray-details/ there won't be a Marvel One-Shot released with this movie.]] |
| 334 | |
| 335 | [[WMG: The ending scene in ''Avengers'' takes place during [=CA2=]]] |
| 336 | * Specifically the scene where Tony and Pepper are in the new York, and making plans for the tower. It's why Tony isn't having PTSD issues (though he could have had a delayed reaction, and it would tie into Hydra aiming on them in New York. |
| 337 | |
| 338 | [[WMG: The fact that [[spoiler: Bucky (maybe) killed Iron Man's father]] is going to cause some ''serious'' tension between Cap and Tony]] |
| 339 | * Possibly, they're even setting up for a Civil War adaptation, and this could be one of the things that turn the two heroes into enemies. |
| 340 | ** [[spoiler: Confirmed!!! I called this two years ago!!!]] |
| 341 | |
| 342 | [[WMG: Howard Stark became aware that SHIELD had been infiltrated by HYDRA]] |
| 343 | * HYDRA killing such a scientific genius that technically was working for them by proxy, could be explained by Tony's dad uncovering at least part of the conspiracy on his own. It would explain why he had turned so paranoid and suspicious of everthing (much like Cap does), that he had to hide his newly discovered element in such a contrived way (the whole diorama thingamabob) that only a mad genius on his same level could figure out. |
| 344 | ** (As mentioned in FridgeHorror) If Howard knew HYDRA was after him that might be why he sent Tony to boarding schools, let him be raised by nannies, and generally kept his distance; Howard was trying to protect him from an enemy who clearly doesn't care about collateral damage. |
| 345 | ** Howard did try to reverse-engineer the Pym Particles without Hank's knowledge or permission. An awfully desperate measure... perhaps he wasn't sure whom he could trust. |
| 346 | |
| 347 | [[WMG: One of the various things that SHIELD has collected that HYDRA diverted to their own labs is the Hydramobile.]] |
| 348 | * First, because it was Red Skull's. Second, because it's a CoolCar. |
| 349 | |
| 350 | [[WMG: Arnim Zola is the smartest character in the MCU so far.]] |
| 351 | * Marvel ''loves'' the MadScientist trope, both when applied to good and evil characters... Howard, Tony, Killian, Selvig, Banner, Pym, etc... Zola had nailed Disintegrator guns, figured out the Tesseract, and perfected BrainUploading decades before anyone else. He's almost Doctor Doom level at this point. |
| 352 | |
| 353 | [[WMG: The SHIELD Technician played by Danny Pudi was really an agent of HYDRA]] |
| 354 | * And his first name is Bob. |
| 355 | |
| 356 | [[WMG: Nick Fury is actually [[Film/PulpFiction Jules Winnfield]]]] |
| 357 | * [[spoiler: Putting Jules's Ezekiel quote on his fake headstone]] was a reference to Nick Fury's time in the 90s as a hitman, before going straight. He left the military and SHIELD for a time, becoming a criminal. The mysterious glowing item in the briefcase was HYDRA tech or something else made from the Tesseract, and he managed to recover it and turn it in to SHIELD, at which point they re-hired him. |
| 358 | ** Pulp Fiction took place in the same universe as Inglourious Basterds where the European theatre of UsefulNotes/WW2 ended almost one year earlier than reality. But in Cap. America:TFA, the Allies were still fighting the Nazis in 1945. Therefore, Nick Fury is not the same guy as Jules in Pulp Fiction. But he may be a different version of Jules in a reality where the Basterds failed in their mission to destroy the German High Command. |
| 359 | ** Another option is that Nick Fury was never ''really'' a hitman, but Jules Winnfield was actually an alias while he was on an undercover operation to recover the tech in the suitcase. Vincent Vega was either another agent or a random criminal that "Jules" was hooked up with for the job. |
| 360 | |
| 361 | [[WMG: HYDRA has agents in Stark Industries]] |
| 362 | * Both to have access to the advanced weaponry developed and to keep an eye on Tony in case he becomes a potential threat to HYDRA like his parents were. |
| 363 | * Probably the way repulsor technology was arranged for the helicarrier engines. |
| 364 | |
| 365 | [[WMG: Other Possible people HYDRA might be preparing to kill as part of Project Insight]] |
| 366 | * [[Film/ThorTheDarkWorld Jane Foster, Erik Selvig, Darcy Lewis, and Ian Boothby]] |
| 367 | * [[ComicBook/TheInhumans Black Bolt]] |
| 368 | * [[Film/TheIncredibleHulk2008 General Thunderbolt Ross, Betty Ross]] |
| 369 | * [[Film/IronMan1 Pepper Potts, Harold "Happy" Hogan, and Colonel James Rhodes]] |
| 370 | * [[Film/XMenFilmSeries Charles Xavier. (If they are in the same universe)]] |
| 371 | * [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan Peter Parker]] |
| 372 | ** His parents were SHIELD agents, and they were killed when [[spoiler: [[HeKnowsTooMuch they discovered HYDRA is secretly controlling SHIELD]].]] |
| 373 | *** Jossed since that incarnation of Spiderman doesn't exist in the MCU; see ''Film/SpidermanHomecoming''. |
| 374 | * [[Series/AgentsOfSHIELD Phil Coulson and his team.]] |
| 375 | * [[Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy2014 Peter Quill]] (if he ever returns to Earth) |
| 376 | * [[Comicbook/BlackPanther T'Challa]] |
| 377 | * [[Comicbook/FantasticFour Reed Richards]] |
| 378 | * ComicBook/{{Magneto}} |
| 379 | * Doctor Doom |
| 380 | * [[Film/XMenFilmSeries Scott Summers]] |
| 381 | * [[ComicBook/ThePunisher Frank Castle]] |
| 382 | * [[Film/GhostRiderDuology Johnny Blaze]] |
| 383 | * [[Film/XMenFilmSeries James ''Logan'' Howlett]] |
| 384 | * The ''true'' Mandarin |
| 385 | ** The Mandarin is a terrorist who instills chaos, of the kind HYDRA likes to make, so I'd think the Mandarin would be more like a HYDRA agent than a potential HYDRA target. |
| 386 | *** No, the Ten Rings would be more of a rival to HYDRA. |
| 387 | * [[Film/BladeTrilogy Blade]] |
| 388 | * [[Film/AntMan1 Hank Pym, Hope Van Dyne, and Scott Lang]] |
| 389 | * [[Film/CaptainMArvel2019 Maria and Monica Ramabeau]] |
| 390 | |
| 391 | [[WMG: Mockingbird exists in the MCU]] |
| 392 | * The camotech Natasha uses was Bobbi Morse's favorite toy in Secret Avengers and she used it in a very similar way -- pull out a last second whammy in order to throw someone off or win when it looked like you were down and out. |
| 393 | ** Further backed up by Man-Thing being confirmed to exist in the MCU. Bobbi Morse worked on the project that turned Ted Sallis into Man-Thing. |
| 394 | *** [[spoiler: Confirmed at SDCC, and it looks like she will be joining Series/AgentsOfSHIELD.]] |
| 395 | |
| 396 | [[WMG: Sharon will get a larger role, but not large]] |
| 397 | * The chemistry between Steve and Natasha has proven to be quite popular. Jury's out if they'll get a relationship upgrade, but the third film will likely continue to focus on Natasha, Bucky, and then Sam. |
| 398 | * Confirmed. She is an ally in the third film, but not a main plot point. |
| 399 | |
| 400 | [[WMG: The machine used to brainwash the Winter Soldier and the one used to forcibly ''un''brainwash Coulson used the same fundamental mechanics.]] |
| 401 | * Considering the one is owned by HYDRA and the other by Centipede--[[spoiler:--a ''subsidiary'' of HYDRA]], and it has been stated the latter machine has been used to [[spoiler:brainwash Raina]]. Not to mention the process for both are clearly painful for their respective subjects. |
| 402 | |
| 403 | [[WMG: That Galaga guy from The Avengers is a HYDRA agent]] |
| 404 | * Secretly undermining SHIELD operations by playing video games on the clock. |
| 405 | ** Wasn't he Wendell Vaughn? That would be quite a twist, making Quasar a bad guy. |
| 406 | |
| 407 | [[WMG: Fegelein is actually Von Strucker]] |
| 408 | * Alluding to Thomas Kreschmann's [[TypeCasting tendency]] to play Nazis (Kreschmman has played, as of 2014, ''fourteen'' Nazi roles), it turns out Von Strucker was a Nazi equivalent of Nick Fury and had a billion other identities. Strucker was both [[Film/{{Downfall}} Fegelein]], [[Film/{{Stalingrad 1993}} Hans Von Witzland]], [[Film/{{Stalingrad2013}} Peter Kahn]], [[Film/ThePianist Wilm Hosenfield]], [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Enemy_Hands_(film) Ludwig Cremer]], [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_in_the_Clouds Franz Bietrich]], [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann_(film) Adolf Eichmann]], [[Film/{{Valkyrie}} Ernst Remer]], [[Series/TheSinkingOfTheLaconia Admiral Donitz]] and probably more. Turns out 70% of Nazi Germany's high ranking members were Von Strucker in disguise. |
| 409 | |
| 410 | [[WMG: Fury will look different in his upcoming appearances.]] |
| 411 | * Since Fury is currently faking his death, he will attempt to look different than he usually does, which may include growing hair, shaving his face and using a fake eye. |
| 412 | ** Confirmed for his appearance on ''Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.'' He's sporting sunglasses and a hat, and a different outfit than his usual one. Still hasn't shaved though. |
| 413 | |
| 414 | [[WMG: Among those targeted by Project Insight was Doctor Donald Blake.]] |
| 415 | * We know that he exists in the MCU and that Thor briefly used his identity in front of SHIELD agents, some of whom could have been working for HYDRA (We know Sitwell was there). Some of them might still believe the two to be the same person. |
| 416 | ** The targets were all selected by Zola's algorithm not by people. If the real Donald Blake was a target, it would be because the algorithm determined he would be a potential threat, not because somebody thought he might be Thor in disguise. |
| 417 | *** Yes, but Zola's algorithm works with existing data, and Thor's SHIELD file probably mentions that he once used the alias 'Donald Blake'. Even if it knew that the two aren't the same person, the algorithm would still see a possible connection between Thor and Blake, which would be enough to make Blake a potential threat. |
| 418 | |
| 419 | [[WMG: Nick Fury's alluded-to wife might be [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentina_Allegra_de_Fontaine Valentina Allegra de Fontaine]]... or probably a future CanonForeigner designed to stand in for her.]] |
| 420 | * Considering how the major plot twist of ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'' was pretty much taken from ''ComicBook/SecretWarriors'', what are the odds that she doesn't exist? After all, she and Fury did have a ([[DatingCatwoman admittedly-tense, but still]]) relationship in that storyline. Maybe in fact the reason "[his] wife kicked him out" was precisely because she '''IS''' among HYDRA's moles in S.H.I.E.L.D. What better way to play the tables against the Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. more than becoming '''[[HoneyTrap that deep]]''' for a [[DoubleEntendre deep penetration agent]]. Of course, let's acknowledge the UnfortunateImplications of that too. |
| 421 | ** It could also be Monica Chang. |
| 422 | ** Or could be an original character played by LaTanya Richardson (Sam's Wife in real life) |
| 423 | ** I just figured he was married to his job. Getting kicked out by his 'wife' is an excellent way to describe what just happened to him. |
| 424 | ** Nick knows perfectly well that SHIELD's bugged Steve's apartment. If he's not wondering how many people he can trust at that point, where are the ''rest'' of his concussion symptoms? If I were him, I'd lie about why I'm there too. |
| 425 | ** The "my wife kicked me out" line was supposed to be code for "SHIELD has turned on me". |
| 426 | * In 2021, Julia Louis Dreyfuss was secretly casted as [[spoiler: Valentina]] in Series/TheFalconAndTheWinterSoldier and Film/BlackWidow2021, which adds fuel to this old theory. |
| 427 | |
| 428 | [[WMG: Fury's fake headstone is a secret communications device that can be used to get in touch with him.]] |
| 429 | He says "If anybody needs me, they can find me right here." |
| 430 | * After his trick with [[Series/AgentsOfSHIELD Coulson's badge]], I'd be surprised if this wasn't true. |
| 431 | [[WMG: The Marvel One Shot on the Blu-ray]] |
| 432 | * will be a WholeEpisodeFlashback to Steve and Bucky's childhood. |
| 433 | ** Alternately, it will be Agent 13, working for the CIA. It'll be a spiritual sequel to Agent Carter, but instead of contending with misogyny, she'll face the stigma of having once served SHIELD/HYDRA. |
| 434 | ** Unfortunately, [[{{Jossed}} it will be neither]]: [[http://screenrant.com/captain-america-2-the-winter-soldier-blu-ray-details/ Marvel is not releasing a One-Shot with this movie.]] |
| 435 | |
| 436 | [[WMG: There will be a ''Nick Fury: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D.'' movie]] |
| 437 | Because that would be totally awesome. |
| 438 | ** There already is. |
| 439 | ** No, I think you're mistaken. Because [[{{FanonDiscontinuity}} we would remember it.]] |
| 440 | ** No, hes right Nick Fury did have [[NickFuryAgentOfSHIELD his own movie]]. |
| 441 | *** Good sir, I insist [[{{FanonDiscontinuity}} such thing never happened.]] |
| 442 | *** I'm pretty sure it did, but lets [[BrokenBase agree to disagree]]. |
| 443 | |
| 444 | [[WMG: Sharon will get a different pedigree]] |
| 445 | * WordOfGod is that she's Sharon Carter, but God has the right to change his mind, and nothing in the movie itself, even the credits, indicates she's a Carter. She'll be Sharon Smith, or perhaps Sharon Dugan, or Sharon anyone but Carter, to avoid the potential squick. |
| 446 | ** She does say something about her "crazy aunt" though, and it would be weird if they threw in something like that and then made her not Peggy's niece. |
| 447 | *** "Insomniac aunt", actually. Lots of people have insomniac aunts. It's hardly a detail that would stick out if future movies decide to remove the link with Peggy. |
| 448 | * Jossed. She is Peggy's great-niece. |
| 449 | |
| 450 | [[WMG: Winter Soldier did NOT murder Howard and Maria Stark personally]] |
| 451 | * Winter Soldier is a shoot ya, stab ya, blow ya up kind of guy. Those he kills turn up having clearly been terminated with extreme prejudice, or they don't turn up at all. Cutting the brake lines on Howard's car just isn't his style. |
| 452 | ** This Troper was just on her way her to suggest the same thing. While the Winter Soldier doing the deed would be a useful way to put a wedge between Tony and Steve, those two don't need help disagreeing as we saw in Avengers and Age of Ultron. Plus, there's no reason for HYDRA to get the Soldier back out of cryo just to have him cut a brake line, and blowing up the car would attract too much attention. |
| 453 | ** [[spoiler: Jossed. He did it.]] |
| 454 | [[WMG: Obadiah Stane was secretly a HYDRA agent]] |
| 455 | As shown by Senator Stern and [[Series/AgentsOfSHIELD Centipede]], HYDRA includes more than agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. When Stane paralyzed Tony in ''Film/IronMan1'', he [[JustBetweenYouAndMe monologued]] about great weapons, including Howard Stark's atomic bomb, and about bringing those weapons into "our hands ... the right hands." He didn't just want the Arc Reactor and Iron Man tech to make a lot of money off of, he wanted them for HYDRA's use, as Stern did! He could even have been responsible for Tony's parents' deaths himself, so as to bring Stark Industries under his control. |
| 456 | * This might also explain how his bodyguards were able to subdue Raza's without making any noise to alert Raza inside the tent - I imagine HYDRA agents would find that easy. |
| 457 | * In general, selling Stark's weapons to terrorists supports HYDRA's goal of increasing world chaos. |
| 458 | |
| 459 | [[WMG: Steve will go on his first date since 1945 when Natasha and Bucky team up to make it happen.]] |
| 460 | In Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger, one of the first things we see Bucky do is drag Steve along on a double date and persistently try to make the date work, despite Steve's lack of enthusiasm and the girls' lack of interest in Steve. Then Natasha spends much of Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier suggesting various women who Steve should ask out. Clearly, these two need to team up. |
| 461 | * Jossed. |
| 462 | |
| 463 | [[WMG: Pierce's niece is/will become Madame Hydra/Viper.]] |
| 464 | Just throwing it out there. |
| 465 | * He mentioned a daughter, too... |
| 466 | * Film/IronMan not showing up at her birthday party is her StartOfDarkness. |
| 467 | * [[spoiler:Jossed. It's [[AIIsACrapshoot Aida]] who becomes Madame Hydra.]] |
| 468 | |
| 469 | [[WMG: The Winter Soldier was still a Soviet product.]] |
| 470 | The movie does not make reference to what produced him, simply presenting him as a HYDRA black ops agent of unspecified origin that is defrosted whenever a mission calls. However because Zola and HYDRA seem to have guided events such as the Cold War into being and the existence of HYDRA extends beyond the United States, it's reasonable (even likely) that the Winter Soldier still started out by serving Soviet interests as a HYDRA agent working for the Red Star (hence the icon on his bionic arm, same as his comic book counterpart, despite lacking the explicit reference to Soviet origin). When the Soviet Union fell at the end of the 80s, HYDRA reclaimed him before the government dissolved (and thus removed their main sleeper agents within that regime) and moved him to the United States, where HYDRA still had a strong presence and had him carry out his missions on behalf of the US arm of HYDRA. |
| 471 | * He gave orders in Russian during the bridge scene, and it was explicitly a Russian soldier that retrieved him after his "death" in UsefulNotes/WW2, so this seems pretty likely. |
| 472 | * Semi-Confirmed. There were HYDRA moles in the Soviet government too, and they were in charge of creating [[spoiler: multiple Winter Soldiers.]] |
| 473 | |
| 474 | [[WMG: A.I.M. was a branch of HYDRA.]] |
| 475 | Aldrich Killian designed the Extremis virus, which is used by HYDRA to create Project Centipede in ''Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.''. Additionally, he boasted about creating a WarForFunAndProfit, which, as of ''The Winter Soldier'', is revealed to have been one of HYDRA's goals all along. |
| 476 | * If this is true, as of ''All Hail the King'', [[spoiler: the real Mandarin pulling Trevor Slattery out of jail]] could mean that the Mandarin is working with or for HYDRA. |
| 477 | |
| 478 | [[WMG: Winter Soldier and Black Widow still have a history together]] |
| 479 | * Like the comic, the Winter Soldier and Natasha met when they were both training to be Soviet operatives (going with the WMG above about him still having Soviet origins). Like in the comics, they have an affair, and when their handlers found out about it both of them had their memories wiped. This is why they don't recognize each other in the modern day. |
| 480 | ** Well if you count him shooting her threw the stomach to kill a nuclear scientist she was protecting, yes they have history. |
| 481 | |
| 482 | [[WMG: Zola's algorithm is Ultron]] |
| 483 | * Zola's algorithm was designed to seek out anyone who was a threat to Hydra. Hydra (in its own delusional and twisted way) was devoted to world peace through absolute order. Ultron has the same principles, but comes to the conclusion that litterally EVERY HUMAN BEING can be a potential threat to that goal. |
| 484 | ** The current speculation is Tony Stark will somehow contribute to Ultron's creation but there are good odds that the USB drive that contained the algorithm is a ChekhovsGun (hence the camera focus placed on removing it from the port as Steve and Natasha made their escape but otherwise not revisiting it for the rest of the movie). So the possibility definitely seems high. Whether or not you want to buy into the Stark side of the theory and how to bridge that to the USB drive is on you. |
| 485 | ** {{Jossed}}, it isn't. Tony and Bruce make Ultron. |
| 486 | |
| 487 | [[WMG: H.A.M.M.E.R. will fill the void left by S.H.I.E.L.D.]] |
| 488 | * Jossed. |
| 489 | |
| 490 | [[WMG: This movie was the MCU's way of adapting Civil War.]] |
| 491 | When Iron Man 2 came out, during interviews they said they wouldn't do the Demon in a Bottle storyline, but used Tony's self destructive behavior culminating in a drunken joyride in his armor as their way of adapting it. |
| 492 | Winter Soldier gives us all the same beats; Captain America deciding the government had gone too far, rebelling, gathering a team of heroes to work in secret to fight against what he views as Tyranny. It even has the bit where officials bring him in, demand he get in line, and when he refuses they attack him, leading to a similar leaping onto a plane during his escape. |
| 493 | * Jossed. The Civil War is about Bucky [[spoiler: Being framed for a UN bombing.]] |
| 494 | |
| 495 | [[WMG: Sam will set Steve up with someone early in the next movie, or try to]] |
| 496 | * Early scenes in both Cap movies have Steve's BFF try to set him up with someone. Sam will continue the pattern, likely with as much success. |
| 497 | * Jossed. |
| 498 | |
| 499 | [[WMG: Nick Fury's story about his granddad is actually about himself.]] |
| 500 | * Because he's semi-immortal like the comics version. |
| 501 | ** Why would Nick Fury be a lift operator? He had to make money somehow before joining SHIELD. |
| 502 | ** Why would he distance himself from this story? "His secrets have secrets". |
| 503 | * Jossed. He's noticeably younger and more naive in ''Captain Marvel''. |
| 504 | |
| 505 | [[WMG: The MCU version of Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch are Andrea and Andreas von Strucker]] |
| 506 | * The Baron calls them "the twins", and they aren't going to be [[ComicBook/XMen mutants]]. And their origins (genetic manipulation) resemble those of the von Strucker twins from the comics. |
| 507 | ** {{Jossed}}, it's still Pietro and Wanda Maximoff. |
| 508 | |
| 509 | [[WMG: Natasha wasn't actually born in the 80's as stated in the movie.]] |
| 510 | She's OlderThanSheLooks. When the Russians trained her to be the Black Widow, she received a Super Soldier Serum derivative that slowed her aging, much like in the comics. When she joined SHIELD, she received the fake birth date to conceal the serum's existence. |
| 511 | |
| 512 | [[WMG: Arnim Zola got his plan from the James Bond novel Moonraker.]] |
| 513 | |
| 514 | [[WMG:Natasha wanted to get Steve a girlfriend so as to get another SHIELD spy close to him.]] |
| 515 | It's revealed that the "nurse who lives across the hallway" was an undercover SHIELD agent meaning that every woman she tried to set him up with was a SHIELD employee. |
| 516 | * Their long-term plan was for Steve to pass his Super Soldier genes on to his children, who SHIELD would be able to keep a close eye on. |
| 517 | |
| 518 | [[WMG: Hydra didn't kill Howard and Maria Stark at all]] |
| 519 | They're just egotistical and opportunistic enough to take the death of America's foremost engineer (and his wife) and claim that was them. That, and taking advantage of people's grief, feeding the idea that a genius like Howark Stark couldn't really be killed by such a mundane thing as a car crash, that it had to be deliberate. And it gives Zola a chance to be a dick to Steve, making him believe he lost another friend to HYDRA. |
| 520 | ** Jossed. |
| 521 | |
| 522 | [[WMG: The next film will involve Cap fighting people with Bucky's arm.]] |
| 523 | Because it would be hilarious, especially if Cap somehow lost his shield. This exchange would happen as well: |
| 524 | -->'''Bucky:''' Take my arm. |
| 525 | -->'''Steve:''' What? |
| 526 | -->'''Bucky:''' Take it! |
| 527 | -->'''Steve:''' You want me to fight HYDRA with your ''arm?'' |
| 528 | -->'''Bucky:''' YES! |
| 529 | -->'''Steve:''' Fine. |
| 530 | -->*Cue Cap kicking ass with an arm while Bucky chills out and watches.* |
| 531 | * Jossed. |
| 532 | ** Not only that, but how did we miss the obvious "[[ExactWords Need a hand?]]" joke? |
| 533 | |
| 534 | [[WMG: Nick Fury has top-secret and unseen bodyguard(s) who watch over his safety from afar, which even Maria and Natasha never learn about]] |
| 535 | Think about it, why would a superspy, ultra-ManipulativeBastard, and director of a super espionage agency, be driving ALONE on a public street with protection only from his armored and weaponized car? It's still a bit too risky, and it's almost TooDumbToLive for a man like him, considering how when the police ambush happens, the SWAT team's hydraulic battering ram easily causes some major body damage and the bullets from the cops' submachine guns also do a lot of damage. It is shown that his armored car is also not invulnerable (even the flying and communication systems are damaged rather quickly). Being a spy, Fury certainly has many enemies who haven't appeared on-screen yet. Would he risk his life by driving alone like that and basically invite his enemies to ambush and shoot him? Unlikely. Being him, he should be a CrazyPrepared for a situation like an assasination attempt, who can threaten him practically ANYTIME. Especially so if [[http://comicbook.com/2014/09/14/was-the-punisher-being-established-in-captain-america-the-winter/ this article]] is to be believed. The popular theory is that's [[ComicBook/ThePunisher Frank Castle]], but it could be somebody else. Whoever they are, their duty is to secretly protect Fury when he appears in public without apparent protection. |
| 536 | |
| 537 | Of course, this still doesn't make Fury unkillable, since the assassination attempt does almost manage to kill him. The unseen bodyguard might be busy handling those fake cops (possibly driving them away from Fury by any means necessary), so the unseen bodyguard wasn't there when the Winter Soldier attacked Fury. |
| 538 | |
| 539 | [[WMG: Hawkeye was missing from this movie because he was helping Mockingbird]] |
| 540 | They worked together in the comics, and more than once Mockingbird investigates corruption within S.H.E.I.L.D. She was currently on such a mission at the start of the movie and Hawkeye was with her in a supporting/WhoWatchesTheWatchmen role. They found something nasty and it kept them too busy to help Captain America. After the movie, they go underground like Fury himself. |
| 541 | |
| 542 | [[WMG: Hydra "re-programmed" The Winter Soldier after he insisted that [[spoiler:he knew Captain America]]]] |
| 543 | The first time [[spoiler:Steve]] sees The Winter Soldier unmasked and looks at him, [[spoiler:he stares in shock and meekly asks "Bucky...?" He responds calmly with "Who the hell is Bucky?"]] The ''second'' time [[spoiler:Steve]] brings up [[spoiler:the "Winter Soldier/Bucky Barnes" dichotomy to Bucky himself (during their climactic battle on the falling Helicarrier)]], he responds with ''intense'' rage and floors [[spoiler:Steve]] every time he mentions it, while yelling angrily at him, despite being stoic for almost the entire movie.\ |
| 544 | \ |
| 545 | During the only memory-wipe seen in the film, Hydra programmed The Winter Soldier to respond in a hostile, violent manner whenever [[spoiler:Steve]] brought up his past and/or his true identity. They saw a threat in the fact that they might "lose him" if [[spoiler:Steve]] was able to make him remember, so they tried to make sure he would kill/incapacitate [[spoiler:Steve]] before he got a chance to get in The Winter Soldier's head. |
| 546 | * Keep in mind that The Winter Soldier was already pretty mad. He had roared while charging at [[spoiler:Steve]] several times in the fight beforehand so he wasn't really in "calm assassin" mode at the moment. |
| 547 | |
| 548 | [[WMG:Obadiah Stane was a HYDRA mole in Stark Industries]] |
| 549 | HYDRA engineered the death of Howard Stark. HYDRA has been active inside SHIELD from day one. Howard Stark was a founder of SHIELD. In the scene where Rogers and Natasha find Zola in a computer, Zola said that accidents happen, while newspaper articles about the car accident that killed Howard Stark and his wife are shown. |
| 550 | |
| 551 | Now go back to ''Film/IronMan1'' and think about Obadiah Stane and his motivations, then go back to the death of Tony Stark's parents: the easiest way for HYDRA to set up a murder as an accident would be to plant a mole on the inside, preferably someone that Howard Stark trusted. And given that Obadiah Stane is also secretly selling weapons to the Ten Rings and possibly lots of other terrorist organizations around the world, which is exactly the kind of thing HYDRA would do to sow disorder and fear as part of their agenda, the idea that Stane was a mole for HYDRA looks very appealing. |
| 552 | |
| 553 | [[WMG:Fury's Car A.I. is sabotaged by HYDRA]] |
| 554 | Which is why it's so awfully either LiteralMinded or ServileSnarker, or a combination of both. HYDRA sabotaged it so Fury would be more difficult to escape the assassination attempt, and because [[EvilIsPetty it's hilarious]]. |
| 555 | |
| 556 | [[WMG: Winter Soldier Origin Theory]] |
| 557 | |
| 558 | 1.After the failure of Heinz Kruger to acquire a sample of the Super Soldier Serum, Schmidt assigned Arnim Zola with developing a derivative by studying his own blood. Zola begins testing his formulas on P.O.W.s, most of whom likely were killed in the process, with Bucky Barnes as his last victim. Bucky is rescued by Rogers, but unbeknownst to Zola, the serum used when operating on Bucky is somewhat successful, giving him a slow working healing factor (but lacking vita-rays, no superhuman strength). |
| 559 | |
| 560 | 2. Bucky is presumed dead after falling off the train and into a ravine near a HYDRA base. He is actually found alive but wounded by Russian soldiers attached to Leviathan, a Soviet organization dedicated to understanding advanced HYDRA tech, who were scouting the base. A Leviathan medic amputates Bucky's arm and is astonished to see how quickly he is healing. Realizing the scientific potential, Leviathan takes Bucky back to the USSR for experiments. It is during this time that Leviathan scientist Dr. Johann Fenhoff uses hypnosis to erase Bucky's identity and memories. |
| 561 | |
| 562 | 3. After the war, Dr. Fenhoff is incarcerated by the SSR along with Zola, who befriends him in prison. Exchanging information, Zola realizes that Bucky survived his injuries and that his experimentation was a success. Zola is released from prison and joins SHIELD, using his influence to have Fenhoff released and repatriated to Russia, where he begins to convert Leviathan into a HYDRA front as Zola does the same with SHIELD. |
| 563 | |
| 564 | 4. Sometime in the 1950's Zola secretly travels to Russia at Fenhoff's behest, completing his experiments on Bucky and giving him a cybernetic arm, transforming him into a full-fledged super-soldier and "the new fist of HYDRA." |
| 565 | [[WMG:In the MCU, the "truthers" who said 9/11 was an inside job turned out to be correct]] |
| 566 | WE all know that in real life, there are 9/11 truthers, conspiracy theorists who say that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job. |
| 567 | In the MCU, though, HYDRA has infiltrated SHIELD, a government agency, from day one. They also appear to be playing both sides of the war on terror against each other, so it wouldn't be surprising if, in the MCU, al-Qaeda was a branch of HYDRA's, with Bin Laden as a HYDRA agent, and they carried out the 9/11 attacks as a small-scale version of Project Insight. |
| 568 | |
| 569 | [[WMG:HYDRA doesn't want Steve Rogers to watch Series/{{Sherlock}} [[Film/SherlockHolmes2009 Holmes]] in any form]] |
| 570 | Project INSIGHT is targeting, among others, Tony Stark, whose actor Creator/RobertDowneyJr plays Sherlock Holmes in the Guy Ritchie films, and Dr. Stephen Strange, whose actor Creator/BenedictCumberbatch plays Sherlock in the 21st century miniseries. |
| 571 | |
| 572 | |
| 573 | [[WMG:MCU version of Baron Strucker has a grandfather who was a Nazi officer in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII and has [[IdenticalGrandson identical]] appearance with him]] |
| 574 | And his grandfather's name is [[Film/{{Downfall}} Hermann]] [[ActorAllusion Fegelein]]. |
| 575 | |
| 576 | [[WMG: The flying wing Cap was found in was recently added to the Smithsonian's collection.]] |
| 577 | Hence, the presence of an exhibit about Rogers in the National Air & Space Museum: it's a tie-in with their new acquisition. |
| 578 | |
| 579 | [[WMG:All the items on Steve's to do list from the international versions are on the canon version of the list.]] |
| 580 | The rest are just on separate pages. |
| 581 | [[/folder]] |
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