Line #25 WMG/BatmanForever


1	WildMassGuessing for ''Film/BatmanForever''.
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3	[[AC:Batman Forever]]
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5	[[WMG: The Riddler's Cane is based on a [[Series/DoctorWho Sonic Screwdriver]].]]
6	Hence why it opens doors and triggers things that, by all rights, it shouldn't be able to.
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8	[[WMG: Batman ''did'' kill people at first.]]
9	--> '''Bruce Wayne:''' Then it will happen this way: You make the kill, but your pain doesn't die with Harvey, it grows. So you run out into the night to find another face, and another, and another, until one terrible morning you wake up and realize that revenge has become your whole life. And you won't know why.
10	--> '''Dick Grayson:''' You can't understand. Your family wasn't killed by a maniac.
11	--> '''Bruce:''' Yes, they were. We're the same.
12	Is Bruce speaking from experience? (Though probably not starting with his parents' murderer, unless the 1989 film is discounted from canon ''and'' "I don't remember much that happened back then" is interpreted creatively. But this ''is'' WMG.)
13	** In the first two movie Batman ''did'' kill people, or at the very least allowed them to die when he could have just as easily saved them.
14	** Even though the two Burton films and the two Schumacher films are very loosely (if at all) connected (Creator/MichaelGough and Creator/PatHingle are the only thing they have in common), one assumes they take place in the same continuity.
15	** Catwoman exists, too. Chase ribs Batman about how she might need "skintight vinyl and a whip" to get his attention.
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17	[[WMG: Two-Face is still alive.]]
18	His costume was in the property locker at Arkham. If he were dead it would be in the evidence locker at Gotham Central.
19	** It is there because he WAS an inmate of Arkham. ''Forever'' starts with his escape. We visually saw him drowning.
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21	[[WMG: The entire movie is a VR program.]]
22	This movie and Batman & Robin are actually a simulated world that the Tim Burton version of Batman is trapped in. "The Box" was actually made by the Mad Hatter. This explains Gordon and Alfred being the same people while everything else is changing and continuing to change in the next movie and why even the pretext of realism is going out the window.
23	** If the Mad Hatter exists, then he probably also invented the [[Film/BatmanReturns mind control devices on those penguins' heads.]]
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25	[[WMG: This was originally the final chapter of the trilogy.]]
26	Okay, ''Returns'' was a good movie, but judging by the way critics couldn't handle the DarkerAndEdgier, they just wanted the series to die. Now in a story structure sense, it would have ended with Robin looking forward to helping Batman in future crime fights. In the structure it went like this: In the first movie, Batman finally avenges his parents. In the second, it's obvious the revenge didn't satisfy him and he decided to kill more criminals. In the climax of the movie, when he is trying to talk Catwoman out of killing Schreck, he was really seeing the path he was going down when he himself was killing criminals and didn't want her to end up like him. He was too late, but he secretly vowed never to kill again. The third movie shows the Batman that we know in the comics, redeeming himself for his failure to save Catwoman by preventing Robin from killing. Had they not gone on to make ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'', this would have been a hell of a trilogy.
27	* Catwoman actually doesn't die. She has one life left.
28	*** When this troper said too late, he didn't mean Catwoman dying, he meant too late to stop her from killing.
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30	[[WMG: This version of Two-Face repaired his face, but he wears make-up to keep the Two-Face look]]
31	In ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'', Two-Face's face has been repaired, only the bad side of his personality remains, and his henchmen call him 'Face' instead of 'Two-Face'. In ''Batman Forever'', he is also called 'Face' by his henchmen and doesn't seem to have a good side. This also explains why he doesn't look as disfigured as other versions of the character.
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33	[[WMG:Two-Face was actually becoming MORE sane as the film went on.]]
34	We see that Riddler was letting Two-Face have the occasional "hit" from the brain-draining machine. This had the surprising side-effect of starting to restore his sanity. Now, granted, it was reconstructing it in an ''evil'' way, but he wasn't as crazy as he used to be. That's why in Wayne Manor, he keeps re-flipping the coin, and then at Claw Island, he forgets about it entirely until Batman reminds him. He's managed to gradually overcome his addiction to it, but when Batman reminds him, he went back to it one last time, like a smoker trying to quit having that one last cigarette...
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36	[[WMG: Two-Face's face has been mutilated and repaired at least twice, which is why he's not Billy Dee Williams anymore.]]
37	He's been in Arkham for almost two years at the beginning of the film. While there, either a doctor there or Bruce Wayne put up money to cure him by reconstructing his face. He then tried to scar himself again, but ended up damaging his whole face, this time damaging his skull structure in such a way that prevented yet another reconstruction from retaining his original face.
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39	[[WMG: Two-Face killed Boss Moroni as payback for mutilating his face.]]
40	Then he wants to kill Batman for being too late. Hence his obsession with killing Batman and crying like a baby when he keeps surviving.
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42	[[WMG: Boss Moroni was the last of the crime bosses from the first movie.]]
43	After all the other crime bosses were killed by the Joker or arrested, he took over what remains of the criminal underworld. Hence his title as "underworld kingpin".
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45	[[WMG: The gang Dick encounters after stealing the Batmobile are the [[Film/BatmanReturns Red Triangle.]]]]
46	We saw that a few of the performers escaped the Penguin's lair before Batman busted in, and that gang Dick happens upon looks pretty clownish. Perhaps the leader was an acrobat or clown from the Red Triangle who wanted to keep the torch going.
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48	[[WMG: Chase Meridian is Harley Quinn]]
49	She's a criminal psychologist with dubious credentials and an obsession with both Batman and his foes. Perhaps she was secretly stalking Batman to get a lead on the identity of the man who killed her puddin'?
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51	[[WMG: [[Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse The upcoming Flash movie]] will make this movie and Film/BatmanAndRobin CanonDiscontinuity.]]
52	* Or the movies still happen in BroadStrokes form.

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