| 1 | [[WMG: Batman lied. He would not have given Joker the antidote.]] |
| 2 | If the Joker hadn't caused him to drop the antidote, Batman would have kept it away from him and let him die. He was fully planning on letting the Joker succumb to his poisoning. After Joker conveniently took the choice away from him, Batman simply told him that he would have still saved him to twist the knife in the wound; knowing that the Joker would be disappointed in knowing in his final moments that he failed to make Batman a killer, and that he caused his own death. It was sadism, one final insult to his hated enemy. |
| 3 | * Doubt it, this Troper may be wrong but I'm fairly sure at leas once Batman has actively fought Red Hood to stop him killing Joker, if he sees standing by and letting someone else, someone very justified in wanting to, kill Joker MurderByInaction, he would likely see withholding medicine as the same. |
| 4 | |
| 5 | [[WMG: The panic over the series getting supposedly canceled is wrong.]] |
| 6 | Let's look at the facts: the Arkhamverse is the first good series of Batman games. It's a cash cow. It was planned to have sequels from the start. There's been no actual cancellation announcement. There's been a ''Franchise/{{Halo}}''-level amount of tie-in merch. They've released two Game of The Year editions and they're porting it to the UsefulNotes/WiiU. Oh, and there's a DLC. Does this sound like something they're gonna leave unfinished? |
| 7 | ** Gotta say there needs to be a third game. Unless they release episodic content that lets you play as new characters. |
| 8 | ** Who said it would be canceled? |
| 9 | *** Tossed. Arkham Origins has been released. |
| 10 | |
| 11 | [[WMG: Cadmus will be in the next game.]] |
| 12 | In Harley Quinn's Revenge, in her base, at the stairwell with a balloon at the bottom, there is a Cadmus Labs poster. So, Cadmus exists and has enough presence in Gotham to have a poster. Nobody comments on it, meaning it's unlikely that anyone sees anything odd about it. So, now all we've got to do is figure out what Cadmus is up to. |
| 13 | * A lot of {{foreshadowing}} seems to suggest that Scarecrow will be the BigBad (or at least a major antagonist) in the third game. With his knowledge of psychology and the science of fear, he could probably cause some serious havoc if he ever got his hands on Cadmus technology. |
| 14 | ** Maybe in an ''Arkham City'' direct sequel but they didn't appear in ''Arkham Origins''. |
| 15 | *** Tossed it's not in ''Knight'' either. |
| 16 | |
| 17 | [[WMG: Superman will be a boss in the next game]] |
| 18 | Whether it's a reference to the Dark Knight returns or the Hush story line will remain to be seen (the former is more iconic the latter involves a character from Arkham city). |
| 19 | * He will more than likely be a final boss. I mean first you have [[spoiler: Titan Joker]] then you have [[spoiler: Clayface]], only a mind controlled man of steel could top those two. |
| 20 | * With Hush strutting around wearing Bruce's face, he will likely try to frame Bruce. Meanwhile, in Metropolis, Superman will hear that his buddy Bruce just might be going insane, and make the reluctant decision to stop him. LetsYouAndHimFight, anyone? |
| 21 | ** Maybe in a direct ''Arkham City'' sequel but in terms of ''Arkham Origins'' no. |
| 22 | |
| 23 | [[WMG: In the final ''Arkham''. . .]] |
| 24 | Scarecrow will loosen Gotham with fear gas (Batman will be wearing a gas mask) while this is going on THE GATES OF HELL WILL OPEN! The final boss will be Joker and Scarecrow and Joker will have knife hands and kill Scarecrow to drag him to hell with him. It will end with Batman smiling and walking away. |
| 25 | |
| 26 | [[WMG: The Joker's death was an illusion created by the Scarecrow]] |
| 27 | Three main points: |
| 28 | * Technically, Batman was the only one who actually saw the Joker die, and lifelike hallucination sequences are already a regular staple of this series. The police might have gotten a corpse that looked like the Joker, but they'd have no way to conclusively verify its identity since Joker ''has'' no official legal identity. |
| 29 | * If that secret room in the cargo ship, the hidden messages on the crypto-sequencer, and the note about the shipment of fear gas are any indication, it's looking like everyone's favorite mad psychiatrist might play a crucial role in ''Arkham 3''. Now, if he wanted to use his powers to drive Batman insane (which, being the Scarecrow, he's bound to attempt at some point) what would be a good place to start? In ''Asylum'', he figured out that loads of plain old terrifying things weren't enough to drive Batman over the edge, so now he's trying something different: instead of convincing Batman that his worst fear has happened to him (like he would with most of his victims) he's convinced Batman that he finally crossed the one line that he swore he'd never cross and let the Joker die. |
| 30 | * Even if Batman didn't intentionally kill the Joker, failing to save him still has some serious moral implications. Batman's entire crusade rests on the idea that not even the worst of Gotham's criminals deserve death, and that he has a responsibility to take a higher path when dealing out justice. When he finally gets forced into a situation where taking the high road isn't an option, he'll be one step closer to becoming just another disillusioned, death-dealing vigilante that the police would be forced to bring to justice...which is probably one of the few things that he's actually afraid of. Convincing him that he killed the Joker was the first step--driving him past the proverbial "point of no return" will be the Scarecrow's goal in the sequel. |
| 31 | ** If it were an illusion, then, from Robin's POV, Oracle would probably be mentioning that she didn't understand even ''why'' Batman was so distressed over Joker. Also, he's not the only one who sees Joker's body. The best example is Harley Quinn. No offense, but this was Tossed before it was even written. |
| 32 | *** Sorry, I wrote that WMG before ''Harley Quinn's Revenge'' came out. I was just going off of the ending of ''City''. |
| 33 | *** Also, the point wasn't about Batman being the only one who saw Joker's body, it was about Batman being the only actual witness to his death. Since we see that whole sequence from the perspective of Batman (who's already been through several hallucination sequences up to that point) a little bit of healthy suspicion is reasonable. |
| 34 | |
| 35 | [[WMG: ''Arkham 3'' will be a ''ComicBook/{{Batman}}'' / ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'' crossover]] |
| 36 | Is it probable? Well... not really. Is it ''possible''? Next time you're playing as Catwoman, just imagine her with a Spiderman costume, a male's voice, and a web line instead of a whip--their movements and attacks would be practically identical (well, minus the kiss attack, anyway). If they had the rights to the character, the boys at Rocksteady could, at the very least, probably make an unlockable Spiderman skin if they wanted to. |
| 37 | * Tossed. |
| 38 | |
| 39 | [[WMG: [=ClayJoker=] will return.]] |
| 40 | When you defeat Clayface, they make a big show of him mixing with the Lazarus Pit. Clayface has always been a good actor, but dangerously insane. So, what happens to a man who gets himself perfectly into the mindset of The Joker, only to get mixed with an immortality, but insanity, causing chemical? I have no idea, but I would guess a bit of ModeLock in the mind of the last crazy bastard he got into the mindset of. So, Joker can be dead, but Clayface can be The Joker with just a bit of memory loss (easily done, seeing as he got electrocuted and mixed with a Lazarus Pit) and a bit of mode lock. Plus, how symbolic would it be for the original Joker to die, only for Batman to create a new one on accident with a large amount of mysterious chemicals? |
| 41 | ** In the DCU, it's established that Lazarus kills anything healthy that's exposed to it. Also, to further prove you wrong, Clayface remained immobile right after Batman dumped him into the Pit. |
| 42 | |
| 43 | [[WMG: The third "Arkham"'s villain will be.... ComicBook/LexLuthor.]] |
| 44 | My reasoning: |
| 45 | * A) Arkham City takes a lot of inspiration from ''ComicBook/BatmanNoMansLand'', and ComicBook/LexLuthor was a BigBad near the end of that arc. |
| 46 | * B) If Creator/MarkHamill has indeed retired, then Creator/ClancyBrown as Lex is the best-voiced villain out there. |
| 47 | * C) It would allow Rocksteady to prepare for a possible future Superman game. |
| 48 | ** Possibly. For now, it looks like Scarecrow and Hush are being set up as major villains, though they're definitely not the only ones. To add another theory, though: maybe Sherman Fine (The Broker) was just set up as a RedHerring, and the "Mr. Fine" referenced in the letter on the ship is really Milton Fine, AKA ComicBook/{{Brainiac}}. With that in mind, maybe Luthor wrote the letter, and he and Brainiac are planning to team up and use Scarecrow as their pawn. |
| 49 | ** If Lex Luthor is going to be the BigBad, then [[spoiler: Ra's al Ghul might be his GreaterScopeVillain as he was for Hugo Strange]]. |
| 50 | ** This wasn't really too far off the mark. Lex doesn't make a personal appearance in Arkham Knight during gameplay, but 1) he leaves several voicemails on Bruce Wayne's phone demanding that Bruce sell him Waynetech Applied Sciences for $1 billion, 2) he is revealed to have contributed a great deal of the $3 billion toward the army that was supposed to take down Batman, and 3) he shows up in the cutscene at Wayne Manor at the end where Bruce "dies". |
| 51 | |
| 52 | [[WMG:The part of Gotham from the last game's opening will appear.]] |
| 53 | Given that Bats drove through en route to Arkham, it makes it'll be part of Arkham City. |
| 54 | ** Semi Tossed; We can see Arkham Island from the east side of Akham City, but the bridge that connects it to the mainland leads to a different part of town. |
| 55 | |
| 56 | [[WMG: [[WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond The Tomorrow Knight]] will make an appearance.]] |
| 57 | Even if he is limited to [[PlayerVersusPlayer PvP]]/ Multiplayer/ NewGamePlus. He'll also be a gamebreaker. |
| 58 | * It could be an alternate ending where the villains win and thought they killed Bruce, but did kill all of the others(Dick, Tim, Barb, etc.) so Bruce goes into hiding for fifty years and then he has a son named Terry and trains him to take the city back. |
| 59 | * The Batman Beyond suit WILL appear in the same. As an alt skin for Batman. |
| 60 | |
| 61 | [[WMG:Creator/DavidKaye will voice Hugo Strange]] |
| 62 | Ok, so this is more of an educated guess than a real wmg,since he has voiced [[WesternAnimation/BeastWars other characters]] [[VideoGame/SpiderManShatteredDimensions with similar voices]] before. |
| 63 | * {{Jossed}} (see below). |
| 64 | ** That's debatable. (Also see below) |
| 65 | * Methinks Kaye will voice a villain that hasn't been announced yet, who will occasionally say [[WesternAnimation/BeastWars yes]] in every scene, [[VerbalTic yeessss...]] |
| 66 | ** Turns out he's just replaced Tom Kane as Commissioner Gordon, even though Kane still voices Quincy Sharp. |
| 67 | |
| 68 | [[WMG:Either Creator/ChristopherLee or Creator/CoreyBurton will voice Hugo Strange]] |
| 69 | Similar to the above WMG. A ''lot'' of people were under the impression that Creator/ChristopherLee was voicing Hugo Strange. If that isn't the case, then Creator/CoreyBurton (who played Lee's characters a [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars few]] [[Franchise/KingdomHearts times]]) is voicing him. |
| 70 | * Corey Burton [[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1568322/ confirmed.]]** Granted, I do think it is Corey Burton, but Website/IMDb, like Wikipedia, can be edited by anybody and people have put up false info on the site before during the time before a products release--case in point, until it was reported otherwise, it said Arleen Sorkin would reprise the role of Harley Quinn for ''AC'' and that Kevin Conroy would reprise the role of Batman for the ''Batman: Year One'' film. So until we know for sure (mostly from something with a source or after the game's release), take it with a grain of salt. |
| 71 | ** Confirmed for real. |
| 72 | |
| 73 | [[WMG:The Bat-creations of Grant Morrison will be involved. Somehow.]] |
| 74 | No real reason. Just RuleOfCool. |
| 75 | * Semi Tossed? We have some references to ''Jezebel Jet'' hidden around Arkham City (there's images of road signs and the like) complete with references to Joker's red and black motif in RIP, but alas, no Professor Pyg or Dollotrons, and no Flamingo carving people's faces off. |
| 76 | ** Well, there's also [[spoiler: Azrael, whose bio reveals he's Michael Lane and Lane was one of the "Three Ghosts of Batman", more specifically "Bat-Devil", before becoming Azrael in comics canon.]] |
| 77 | |
| 78 | [[WMG:[[ComicBook/{{Batman}} Calendar Man]] will be behind everything]] |
| 79 | [[ComicBook/TheLongHalloween Calendar]] [[ComicBook/DarkVictory Man]] will retain his Hannibal Lecter traits and will be manipulating everything for his own gain. @/{{Kimota}}: (this is a prediction so like Doncallmewave I'm signing this) |
| 80 | * I'm going with this. But I'm vouching for a more involved approach. I reckon he's snapped and he's trying to turn however long a time-period this games lasts for in-game into a holiday. You know, like a "Mourn-Batman-after-his-excruciatingly-painful-death-at-the-hands-of-Calendar-Man-who-is-no-longer-a-joke-of-a-villain Day/Week/Month".@/{{Wargle}} (Signing because I want everyone to know that I also want to spread the word of the Calendar.) |
| 81 | * Tossed. Calendar Man's little more than an easter egg. |
| 82 | ** Heh heh, Easter. |
| 83 | |
| 84 | [[WMG: The Music Meister will be in the game]] |
| 85 | * No reason I'm just putting it out there because nobody will see it coming. |
| 86 | * He'd better make everyone erupt into a Bat-Chorus of "Welcome to the Jungle" during the opening. |
| 87 | * This must ''only'' happen if he's once again voiced by Neil Patrick Harris. |
| 88 | * Failing that, he could pop up during the end credits and sing us off, [=GLaDOS=]-style. |
| 89 | ** Tossed. There is a CreditsSong, but [[spoiler:ComicBook/TheJoker]] sings it. |
| 90 | |
| 91 | [[WMG: The various {{Shout Out}}s[=/=]{{Mythology Gag}}s from ''Asylum ''will mean that they will be in the sequel.]] |
| 92 | * The reference to Firefly's exploits say that he's at large in Gotham. As the sequel takes place in Gotham... |
| 93 | * Ra's 's body disappears. |
| 94 | ** Talia, at least, is confirmed. |
| 95 | *** Confirmed. |
| 96 | * Two Face is robbing a bank. |
| 97 | ** Confirmed. |
| 98 | * Joker released Scarface. |
| 99 | ** Sharp claimed at the beginning of the first game that the Ventriloquist was out and reformed. Then again, he said the same of Two-Face... |
| 100 | ** Scarface does pop up with Joker in one of the tie-in comics. [[spoiler:Then Harley Quinn throws him into a fire out of jealousy. She does build another one, though, so maybe Joker'll have that.]] |
| 101 | ** Scarface (or half of him) is in the Penguin's museum. |
| 102 | *** And some of the story pieces unlocked by obtaining the Riddler trophies explain that [[spoiler: an Arkham City inmate is making more of the puppets for Joker in case he breaks them in a fit.]] |
| 103 | * Injustice Gang is back according to the same paper that references Firefly. |
| 104 | * Mad Hatter has a display set up in the Gardens, implying that he's free, but doesn't show up in the game. |
| 105 | ** Confirmed |
| 106 | * Mr. Freeze escaped before the time the game takes place. |
| 107 | ** Freeze is confirmed! |
| 108 | * Clayface was pretending to be a cop (but still in his cell) back in Arkham, and since everyone from Arkham Asylum is being transfered to the City... |
| 109 | ** [[spoiler:Confirmed.]] |
| 110 | |
| 111 | [[WMG: Arkham City is confirmed to have multi-player... of some kind. Possiblities:]] |
| 112 | * Commissioner Gordon: |
| 113 | ** Hey, the first game mixed things up immensely, why not have a section where the player has to pull a completely different playstyle by forcing them to play as Commisioner Gordon? |
| 114 | ** Third person thug killing? YAY!!!! |
| 115 | ** What do you mean "forcing them to play as Commissioner Gordon"? I'd willingly play an entire game about [[BadassNormal Gordon.]] |
| 116 | ** Like a Gotham version of L.A. Noire? |
| 117 | ** If I were one of the Dev's, I would totally make a side level where you do this. Only all Gordon does is deal with paper work in it. |
| 118 | *** I'm incredibly thankful you're not a game developer then... |
| 119 | ** Maybe it will follow [[VideoGame/HalfLife a different Gordon]]. |
| 120 | *** Or just give our Gordon a crowbar. |
| 121 | * Alternatively, seeing that the game is set in Gotham proper, you could play as Robin and Batgirl on occasion. This troper would be thrilled to see Cassandra Cain's version of Batgirl in the game. |
| 122 | ** Judging by the fact that Oracle is heard in the first... I would say Joker has already crippled Barb. Batgirl is now Oracle. |
| 123 | *** Which means Cassandra Cain or possibly Stephanie Brown (unlikely since she started as Batgirl since Bruce died) is Batgirl. |
| 124 | *** Note: Alfred will be MissionControl for (at least part of) the game, as Oracle is missing. Hurm... |
| 125 | ** I think it's just too dark to have us playing as Robin... then again... I'm imagining what he would like like. It would be hard to pull off, but if they can do it well, it would be awesome. |
| 126 | *** If you think Robin couldn't fit in the ''Arkham Asylum'' setting, you haven't kept up with his comic book. Just because he has red and yellow in his costume doesn't mean he can't be badass. |
| 127 | * Catwoman, me-wow! We know she's in the game, we know Bats decides to rescue her from Two-Face, why not give her a few levels, or even a two-player co-op mode? |
| 128 | ** Alternately, why not have duo levels with the also-confirmed Talia Al-Ghul? |
| 129 | * What if there's no co-op, but [[PlayerVersusPlayer PvP]] multiplayer options? You could have Batman, Joker (as seen in the BonusLevel of Asylum), Two-Face, Catwoman, etc., all competing. |
| 130 | * WordOfGod has confirmed that Catwoman, at least, will be playable. |
| 131 | * Robin has also been confirmed to be playable. However, he's a preorder bonus for Best Buy. |
| 132 | *** Tossed. Multiplayer was in Arkham Origins though. |
| 133 | |
| 134 | [[WMG: The Joker will die for real in Arkham City.]] |
| 135 | As I've heard, Mark Hamill is going to retire from the role of the Joker after this game. In the trailer he seems seriously sick. Perhaps his part of the plot revolves around how he's dying, and planning to take the city with him. |
| 136 | That's pretty much his thing. |
| 137 | * Kevin Conroy compared the tone to Batman Beyond: Return Of The Joker. Now, perhaps he was giving us a hint as to what the Joker is planing. |
| 138 | * [[FridgeHorror Oh God!]] The Joker's gonna torture Tim Drake again! |
| 139 | ** Somehow, I think Joker's going to finish what [[ComicBook/TheKillingJoke he started with Barbara]]... She has been kidnapped prior to the sequel and it's why [[ServileSnarker Alfred]] has taken over. [[spoiler: And not only would torturing a cripple is just as bad, if not worse then torturing a child, it hasn’t been done.]] |
| 140 | * To be fair, Hamill has said it was his last time as the Joker twice before... |
| 141 | * Hamill's said that [[http://twitter.com/#!/HamillHimself/status/80781798900113408 it may not be the last time he voices Joker after all]], so maybe he won't die. |
| 142 | ** Well technically it might be apeearing in flashbacks in the next game or some other form of appearance. I really hope they reinact the Joker's death from ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'' |
| 143 | ** [[spoiler:Holy crap, CONFIRMED.]] |
| 144 | |
| 145 | [[WMG:Dr. Young will return as a villain.]] |
| 146 | Sadistic plans GoneHorriblyWrong, multiple threats from assorted psychopaths, access to money, science background, what's preventing her from completely snapping? |
| 147 | * The fact that she's dead. |
| 148 | ** Ra's Al Ghul. Lazarus. Pit. |
| 149 | *** And he'd have what incentive to revive her considering how stingy he is with the pits? |
| 150 | *** Not to mention he ''does'' have standards despite being a villain, so the whole Titan thing might not be his cup of tea. And he's got money to spare, so that wouldn't matter to him. |
| 151 | * Tossed. Young isn't resurrected. |
| 152 | |
| 153 | [[WMG:Mayor Sharp's plan is to blow up/gas/burn/or otherwise kill everyone in Arkham City.]] |
| 154 | If the Spirit Of Arkham notes are anything to go by, he really wats to kill everyone who would be in there, after all... |
| 155 | * This may be the origin for the Joker's mysterious infection, and Batman's nosebleed in the promo images. |
| 156 | ** [[spoiler:Sorta confirmed, It's actually Hugo Strange's plan to wipe out everyone in Arkham City for Ra's Al Ghul.]] |
| 157 | |
| 158 | [[WMG: [[TimeyWimeyBall Time Travel Twist]]: In ''Arkham City'' Batman will team up with [[WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond Batman]].]] |
| 159 | Future!Batman will be pursuing a future villain who travels back in time to make sure Present!Batman dies in Arkham City. The two Batmen meet and after the standard LetsYouAndHimFight scenario ends they team up to make sure Present!Batman makes it though the game alive. During the team up Future!Batman tries to [[ShipperOnDeck ship]] Present!Batman with Catwoman too make him happier and less bitter in the future. |
| 160 | ** Tossed, although [[spoiler: the ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'' costume is wearable for NewGamePlus.]] |
| 161 | |
| 162 | [[WMG: Mad Hatter will feature prominently.]] |
| 163 | They've played the Scarecrow card once already, but Mad Hatter is also capable of warping what you think you know, through his mind control. This could make for some very wonky levels indeed. |
| 164 | * Hoping that this happens so hard, just saying. |
| 165 | ** Seconded. You don't want to just repeat the Scarecrow gimmick, but the idea behind it was awesome, and as noted Tetch is all about the mind. Also he's incredibly underused. |
| 166 | ** [[spoiler: Confirmed.]] |
| 167 | |
| 168 | [[WMG: The game will take place on a holiday.]] |
| 169 | Calendar Man has been confirmed to appear, and those are the only times he acts. Possible holidays: |
| 170 | * With no snow on the ground, Christmas and New Year's are unlikely. |
| 171 | * Thanksgiving is possible. |
| 172 | * Valentine's could be amusing for Catwoman, but lacks interplay with most of the Rogue's Gallery. |
| 173 | * Joker would love April Fool's Day. |
| 174 | * Two-Face likes the kind of warped justice symbolism he could get by executing Catwoman on Independence Day as part of a bid to take over Arkham City. |
| 175 | * Halloween is always classic. |
| 176 | * It's Bruce's birthday, and Strange told him. |
| 177 | * Talk Like A Pirate Day. |
| 178 | * Arkham Day, the anniversary of Arkham City's grand opening. |
| 179 | Then again, maybe Calendar is just trapped in the ghetto and wants to get out so he can go back to using his gimmick properly. |
| 180 | * It's been seen snowing in some videos, though Calendar Man has been confirmed to react to different holidays (wearing a Santa Hat, etc.) depending on the game system/computer's clock. |
| 181 | ** However, it's implied that the only reason it's snowing is because of Mr. Freeze. |
| 182 | |
| 183 | [[WMG: There will be at least one major gang other than Two-Face and Joker's men.]] |
| 184 | What's more fun than a two-way gang war with Bats in the middle? A three-way war with Bats and Catwoman in the middle. Possible other factions: |
| 185 | * Black Mask. |
| 186 | ** Tossed, he does have a faction (and managed to [[spoiler:temporarily escape Arkham City]], as a Riddler trophy reveals) but none of them appear in-game. |
| 187 | * The Penguin. |
| 188 | ** Some people claim you can see him in the teaser trailer. |
| 189 | *** And he's now been confirmed to appear in the game. |
| 190 | ** Penguin is confirmed to have a large gang presence in Arkham, possibly '''the''' largest. |
| 191 | * Bane, returning from the previous game. |
| 192 | ** [[spoiler: He's back, but fighting ''alongside'' the Batman. For now.]] |
| 193 | * Similarly, Scarecrow. |
| 194 | ** [[spoiler:Tossed; he doesn't appear ingame aside from an easter egg.]] |
| 195 | * Strange and Sharp will probably join the fighting using the PMC contractors eventually. |
| 196 | ** [[spoiler:Confirmed: that's Protocol 10.]] |
| 197 | * Ra's Al-Ghul. |
| 198 | ** [[spoiler:Confirmed: both he and Talia are in the city and Talia's brought her elite guard along. Technically, Ra's is also in charge of TYGER, too.]] |
| 199 | * Mr. Freeze. |
| 200 | ** He's at least confirmed to be in the game, and he rarely acts alone. |
| 201 | |
| 202 | [[WMG: Batman will go insane this time]] |
| 203 | Joker will be trying to make him go crazy agin, or Hugo Strange...[[GoneHorriblyRight and they succeed.]] |
| 204 | ** So...instead of "Scarecrow Hallucination" levels, we'd have [[ComicBook/BatmanGrantMorrison "Batman of Zur-En-Arrh"]] levels? Awesome. |
| 205 | ** [[spoiler: Semi-confirmed. Batman does go through some wacky hallucinations after drinking the Demon's Blood and wearing one of Mad Hatter's hats, but he doesn't go insane.]] |
| 206 | |
| 207 | [[WMG:DatingCatwoman will not be with Catwoman or Talia]] |
| 208 | ...but with Harley Quinn. Note [[http://batmanarkhamcity.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Batman-Arkham_City_Batman-Harley.jpg this promotional image]]... |
| 209 | ** I dunno, kid. Kinda looks like she's scolding him for always beating up Mr. J. |
| 210 | ** Tossed, given [[spoiler: Harley is now carrying Joker's love child.]] |
| 211 | *** [[spoiler: Tossed, but Harley isn't pregnant, either.]] |
| 212 | |
| 213 | [[WMG: There will be more then one ending. At least one will be to please the shippers.]] |
| 214 | * Everyone will die in one |
| 215 | * Batman will go insane in one |
| 216 | * Joker dies in one |
| 217 | * Happy ending |
| 218 | * Batman gets the girl ending |
| 219 | ** Batman and Catwoman |
| 220 | ** Batman and Talia |
| 221 | ** Batman and Harley |
| 222 | * [[spoiler:Confirmed, but there are only three and one is a NonStandardGameOver.]] For clarication, [[spoiler:Joker dies in the canon ending and Joker takes over Gotham in the NonStandardGameOver. A third ending reveals that Harley's pregnant (also canon.)]] |
| 223 | |
| 224 | [[WMG: Batman will have an advisor who will turn out to be Clayface.]] |
| 225 | ** It'd be a good twist, but how would they make it work? Batman's detective vision in Arkham Asylum could identify Clayface when he was disguised. |
| 226 | *** Maybe he'll only appear in cutscenes? |
| 227 | *** [[spoiler: Semi-confirmed. Clayface isn't an advisor but is Joker's Dragon, and Batman's detective vision DOES recognise him when he's disguised!]] |
| 228 | |
| 229 | [[WMG: To deal with The Riddler, Batman will enlist the help of none other than [[WebVideo/DoctorHorriblesSingAlongBlog Captain Hammer]]]] |
| 230 | Bare with me here, In Arkham City, the Riddler's games will be much more tough, so Bats would probably want some help. Now, [[BatDeduction who does The Riddler look and sound like?]] Creator/NeilPatrickHarris, [[BatDeduction of course! Now the only person who's "Better Than Neil", ergo better than The Riddler is]] [[Creator/NathanFillion Captain Hammer!]] |
| 231 | -->'''Captain Hammer:''' The hammer is my penis! |
| 232 | -->'''Batman:''' ...get out of my city. |
| 233 | * Except everyone knows NPH is really the Music Meister. |
| 234 | * Furthermore, Riddler looks like JIM CARREY. Who PLAYED HIM. |
| 235 | ** ...Get out of my city. |
| 236 | |
| 237 | [[WMG: Whoever got the Titan at the end of ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamAsylum'' will show up...]] |
| 238 | Only to be [[CurbStompBattle dispatched almost instantly]] by ComicBook/{{Batman}}. During Arkham Asylum, he flat out said he was producing more anti-Titan, and like [[CrazyPrepared Batman's]] not gonna carry the antidote around with him at all times. |
| 239 | ** [[spoiler: Confirmed, kinda. They all show up in some manner; Bane is a side mission (and he IS curbstomped by Batman, though not in the standard way), Croc appears as an EasterEgg and allusions are made to Scarecrow as a SequelHook.]] |
| 240 | |
| 241 | [[WMG: Somehow ComicBook/{{Deadpool}} will show up.]] |
| 242 | * Deadpool is in the Franchise/MarvelUniverse, so this is {{Jossed}} without any further explanation. |
| 243 | |
| 244 | [[WMG: Deathstroke will show up.]] |
| 245 | In relation to the above, Deathstroke the Terminator will show up for perhaps one of the most awesome and hilarious team-ups ever. Slade will play the straight-man to Wade's jokes. |
| 246 | |
| 247 | [[WMG: If Nightwing is in the game, you will have to rescue him.]] |
| 248 | * And in the following cut scene he will be like: I can help Bats! It'll be like old times! |
| 249 | * And then Bats is like: Get out of here Dick. I'm better off alone. |
| 250 | * And then Nightwing's like: [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall But we'll be co-op! I'll watch your back you'll watch mine! ]] |
| 251 | * And then Batman's like: NO. |
| 252 | * And then Nightwing's all: Why? |
| 253 | * And Batman's like: I'M BATMAN. |
| 254 | * And then Nightwing's like: [[WebVideo/BumReviews Okay *leaves*]] |
| 255 | * But then we hear him chatting with Alfred in the Batcave. |
| 256 | * And then Alfred leaves to do butler things, and Dick takes over for a bit. |
| 257 | * Until Batman gets sick of the comments about his love life, and turns off the comlink. |
| 258 | * Which then leads to a plot point where he misses information due to being unreachable. |
| 259 | ** Wait... Are we talking [[DatingCatwoman Bruce's]] lovelife or Dick's here? |
| 260 | *** Why not both? |
| 261 | * Tossed: Nightwing is DLC but has no voice actor. |
| 262 | |
| 263 | [[WMG: The game will culminate in an EnemyMine collaboration]] |
| 264 | * The words "All In" in the trailer seems to imply some sort of team-up. To take down Sharp and Strange, Batman will need to enlist the help of not only allies like Nightwing or Gordon but members of his rogues gallery as well, like Catwoman, Joker or Freeze since the villains will probably want to get out of the quarantine and want a chance to take down Sharp. In fact, it may just be The Joker who kills Sharp in a suicide attack, with them [[NeverFoundTheBody never finding his body]] (a good excuse for Joker to be out of the future games with some ambiguity). |
| 265 | * Tossed unless you count Catwoman, who's really more of an AntiHero at this point anyway. |
| 266 | |
| 267 | [[WMG: Prometheus will make his video-game debut.]] |
| 268 | * As TheDragon to Penguin. Using memory discs of previous Bat-rogues and counters. |
| 269 | ** Nope. [[spoiler: His Dragon is Solomon Grundy.]] |
| 270 | |
| 271 | [[WMG: Harley picked out her outfit to take DracoInLeatherPants literally.]] |
| 272 | It's working. |
| 273 | |
| 274 | [[WMG: ComicBook/TheJoker isn't sick.]] |
| 275 | * Just watch the second trailer. |
| 276 | ** According to the third trailer, there's ''plenty'' wrong with him. |
| 277 | *** He's speaking more in the "I'm completely snooker-loopy" kind of way. |
| 278 | * [[spoiler: Tossed. He's physically ill, all right.]] |
| 279 | |
| 280 | [[WMG: Hugo Strange is "The Spirit Of Arkham".]] |
| 281 | Well, not literally. But the first issue of the "Arkham City" tie-in reveals that now-Mayor Sharp is being stage-managed by a mysterious off-stage psychiatrist, heavily implied to be Hugo Strange, who he's been seeing for years. Strange either picked up on Sharp's preexisting resentment and fear of the inmates of Arkham and intensified it through conditioning until it became a virtual psychotic break, or programmed Sharp with the 'Spirit of Arkham' persona in the first place in order to make him malleable and easier to control. |
| 282 | * They seem to be leaning towards confirming this, at least in parts. The second issue reveals that Sharp's personality is basically just a blank slate waiting for a commanding enough presence to give him direction. |
| 283 | * Played with; it's confirmed that Strange used Mad Hatter's mind control technology to induce Sharp's split personality, but it's not confirmed whether the Spirit of Arkham was directly created by Strange. |
| 284 | |
| 285 | [[WMG: Creator/RobPaulsen will lend a voice to the game.]] |
| 286 | And he'll be [[Creator/MauriceLaMarche Mr. Freeze's]] [[TheDragon Dragon.]] Likely a LargeHam for better contrast. |
| 287 | * Tossed. |
| 288 | |
| 289 | [[WMG: The final boss of the game will be [[spoiler:Batman himself]].]] |
| 290 | And you'll fight him as Catwoman. |
| 291 | * Oh man, that would be awesome! |
| 292 | ** Well, she's screwed. |
| 293 | *** That's one way to beat him. |
| 294 | ** Tossed. Catwoman is only playable with the Online Pass. The final boss is [[spoiler:Clayface, who sadly does not turn into Batman mid-battle]]. |
| 295 | |
| 296 | [[WMG: There's a Batcave under Arkham City as well.]] |
| 297 | Because he's just [[CrazyPrepared that prepared]], however this time it'll be based on the brightly lit bunker from ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' |
| 298 | * And it will be blown up, possibly collapsing part of the city above. |
| 299 | * Tossed. However there are ruins of Old Gotham, and the {{Zeerust}}-tastic {{Steampunk}} metropolis that is Wonder City. |
| 300 | |
| 301 | [[WMG: Strange/Sharpe's scheme will be [[HijackedByGanon Hijacked By Joker]].]] |
| 302 | Because it's Mark Hamill's last appearance as him! Also, it would take more than a city full of rival supervillains and [=PMCs=] to stop him stealing the show! |
| 303 | * It's not his last appearance as him, though. Hamill has [[http://twitter.com/#!/HamillHimself/status/80781798900113408 confirmed via Twitter]] that this may not be the end. |
| 304 | ** Hamill indicated last time that it may be his last go as the Joker as he thought he'd done everything he could with the character, but changed his mind when he got a look at Arkham City's story/script. So basically if people keep giving him good material he seems happy to come back. |
| 305 | * Tossed. Joker's running his own scheme, but it has little, if anything, to do with Strange's plans. |
| 306 | |
| 307 | [[WMG: Penguin's "partner" is Killer Croc.]] |
| 308 | * There's something very [[JabbaTableManners Jabba the]] [[TrapDoor Hutt]] about this Penguin. And Croc would be the perfect [[Franchise/StarWars Rancor]]. |
| 309 | ** As it turns out, Penguin's "Rancor" isn't Killer Croc. [[spoiler: Its Solomon Grundy]]. |
| 310 | |
| 311 | [[WMG: The ending will involve a battle between Batman and Hugo Strange...]] |
| 312 | With Strange attempting to 'replace' Batman... literally. With Batsuit and everything. If most of the more recent interpretations of Strange are anything to go by, he'll end up suffering from the delusion that he is Batman. |
| 313 | ** Additionally, the leaked achievement "[[CatchPhrase I'm Batman]] - 10G" will not be awarded for completing the tutorial/starting the game, as it's small Gamerscore reward and high place in the achievement listing would suggest, but for encountering Strange in his Batsuit. |
| 314 | *** [[spoiler: Strange does have a Batsuit, according to the Riddler interview tapes, but all he does is stare at it and cry.]] |
| 315 | * [[spoiler: Tossed. Strange is a CutsceneBoss. The "I'm Batman" achievment is awared five minutes into the game.]] |
| 316 | |
| 317 | [[WMG: The Ridder's going to suffer an epic VillainousBreakdown]] |
| 318 | ...and it will be awesome! |
| 319 | * [[spoiler: Confirmed.]] |
| 320 | |
| 321 | [[WMG: Similarly, the reason that Riddler is so much more menacing in this game is because of last game's VillainousBreakdown]] |
| 322 | Think about it, with the nature of some of the challenges in Arkham Asylum, you'd think Nygma put a lot of preparation into everything. It was his greatest effort to fool Batman, and when it failed, he kind of...snapped. The gloves were off, and he went from silly trophy-hiding Riddler to [[NiceJobBreakingItHero kidnapping-innocents-and-putting-them-in-death-traps Riddler]] |
| 323 | ** Confirmed. |
| 324 | |
| 325 | [[WMG: Harley Quinn will pen and/or read a letter beginning with [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic "Dear Mr. J."]]]] |
| 326 | * Her new voice actor is Creator/TaraStrong, it's either that or a ''[[WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddParents Fairly Odd Parents]]'' reference. |
| 327 | ** With Creator/GreyDelisle as Catwoman, the latter would be more likely. |
| 328 | |
| 329 | [[WMG: The ultimate villain and TheManBehindTheMan for Hugo Strange will be [[spoiler: Ra's al Ghul]]]] |
| 330 | Not exactly a ridiculously out-there guess, I know. No evidence at all, I just say this purely because a) [[spoiler: Talia]] is slated to appear, b) it's the only villain who could be seen as a "bigger" threat than the Joker (who won't like ''that'', chances are) and c) it's be ''awesome''. |
| 331 | ** [[spoiler: Confirmed.]] |
| 332 | |
| 333 | [[WMG: Oracle has been kidnapped by Strange.]] |
| 334 | That's why Alfred is the VoiceWithAnInternetConnection. Strange knows Batman is Bruce, what's to say he hasn't figured out the identities of the rest of the Bat Family? Barbara is his insurance if Batman looks like he's going to win (and you know he will). |
| 335 | * Tossed. She shows up halfway through the story having been occupied with other things previously. |
| 336 | |
| 337 | [[WMG: Jack Ryder will become ComicBook/TheCreeper.]] |
| 338 | Ace Chemicals is located in Arkham City and Ryder appeared in a gameplay video where he was saved by Batman. If he could have changed into the Creeper he probably would have, so it's a safe bet he'll end up dunked in the same chemicals that Joker fell in and become an unpredictable ally for Batman, maybe even being [[AndNowForSomeoneCompletelyDifferent briefly playable]]. The bios from the first game have already been shown to not be canon in the case of Strange, so it's a possibility. |
| 339 | * And the city would be much more colorful and "Bruce Timm-esque" when you play as him, as well as comical, rather than gritty or serious. [[MoodWhiplash It would also come after an incredibly serious moment]]. |
| 340 | ** The game will re-create the scene from his DCAU appearance where he takes out several Joker goons, as well as ''Batman himself,'' without missing a beat. Combined Crowning Moment of Awesome AND Funny? |
| 341 | *** In fact, Ace Chemicals can be glimpsed briefly in the same gameplay video Ryder appears in, less than two hundred meters away from where Batman saves him. If he's that close already... |
| 342 | * Tossed, for this game at least. There's always next time, though... |
| 343 | ** Although Vicki Vale mentions the Creeper in the second Quincy Sharp interview tape. So looks like Jack Ryder's already been changed. |
| 344 | |
| 345 | [[WMG: Red Hood will appear in game if only as a cameo.]] |
| 346 | Talia Al Ghul is in the game and Tim Drake is in challenge mode so why not have the second Robin show up as well. |
| 347 | * Because the ''first'' Robin would be far more deserving. |
| 348 | ** Well, Nightwing has been confirmed as DLC, so he'll probably at least have a cameo. |
| 349 | * Tossed. |
| 350 | |
| 351 | [[WMG: The Titan formula had a bad reaction with the chemicals that created Joker.]] |
| 352 | Unlike the mooks of the last game that Joker was experimenting on, Mister J. had already been transformed by the vat he fell into at Ace Chemicals. The two mixtures resulted in his much more horrific appearance at the end of the first game and are now slowly killing him. This will only make him ''more'' dangerous, of course, as he's either desperately searching for a cure, resolved to killing or breaking Batman before he dies or both. |
| 353 | * [[spoiler: While part of that is open to interpretation, it is confirmed that Titan is killing Joker and making him desparate for a cure.]] |
| 354 | |
| 355 | [[WMG:Alternatively the titan formula is curing the Joker.]] |
| 356 | Just as Dr.Young intended to do with it from the beginning. The bad reaction is completely psychosomatic, heavy on the psycho. |
| 357 | * [[spoiler: Tossed.]] |
| 358 | |
| 359 | [[WMG: Mr.Freeze will be injected with the titan at some point]] |
| 360 | And turn into a giant ice monster. That's never been done before in a superhero game right? |
| 361 | * Tossed. Something like that would've likely caused a large amount of Nerd Rage, anyway. |
| 362 | |
| 363 | [[WMG: Ivy will have a bad reaction to the Titan.]] |
| 364 | This will somehow cure her or turn her into the giant killer plant Joker wanted. |
| 365 | ** [[spoiler: According to the background stories provided from solving Riddler Challenges, she did in fact have a near fatal reaction to Titan between games. She survived because the priest who gave her last rites was covered in tree pollen that Ivy used to cure herself.]] |
| 366 | |
| 367 | [[WMG: The Penguin having [[spoiler: Solomon Grundy]]... Will come back to bite him in the ass.]] |
| 368 | He's trying to control a nigh-unstoppable beast, and since that beast is ''chained up and being electrocuted''... |
| 369 | * [[spoiler: Tossed. Batman destroys Grundy and defeats Penguin right after.]] |
| 370 | ** [[spoiler: Not quite. Solomon Grundy was cursed to go through a cycle of death and rebirth. Just because Batman ripped out his heart doesn't mean that he'll stay dead.]] |
| 371 | |
| 372 | [[WMG: The last villain trailer we see will be of Talia Al Ghul]] |
| 373 | * Considering that we only have one picture of her to go on, there's a good chance that before the game hits stores, we will see why we should care that she's there. No, acting as one of the woman that Batman has to decide on who to hook up with does not count. |
| 374 | ** Tossed, as that's basically her role. |
| 375 | |
| 376 | [[WMG: Scarecrow won't be in the game...]] |
| 377 | But Scarebeast will. It also explains why his VA, assuming he wasn't lying, isn't reprising his role as Scarecrow. |
| 378 | * Tossed. All you see of Scarecrow in-game is his mask, which is the solution to a Riddler Challenge. [[spoiler: And also an EasterEgg referring to him.]] |
| 379 | |
| 380 | [[WMG: Besides Tim and Alfred, there will be references to much more of the Bat-Family.]] |
| 381 | Dick, Cassandra, and Stephanie, amongst other possibilities. Maybe even Batwoman. |
| 382 | * Nightwing is a DLC character. |
| 383 | |
| 384 | [[WMG: Superman will get referenced, even if only obliquely.]] |
| 385 | ...as foreshadowing for a potential Superman-Batman teamup game. Because Supes really needs a game to redeem himself from the whole Nintendo 64 fiasco. |
| 386 | * Rocksteady is planning on making a Superman game after Arkham City. Just throwing that out there. |
| 387 | ** I'm not entirely sure if this is confirmed. I've seen a few interviews where they've talked at length about how difficult it would be to do a good Superman game, and given reasons why Batman is better suited to video games than Superman is. That doesn't completely rule out the possibility, but it makes it sound like it's not at the top of their priority list right now. |
| 388 | * Confirmed. [[spoiler: Strange does mention doing the Arkham City gig in Metropolis and Keystone City.]] |
| 389 | ** Hell, this even goes back to ''Asylum''. In one of the "Spirit of Arkham" stories, Amadeus Arkham says that he spent years studying in Metropolis and Keystone City after he left Gotham. Superman definitely exists in the Arkhamverse, and the writers are willing to acknowledge it. A full-blown cameo isn't out of the question. |
| 390 | |
| 391 | [[WMG: [[Creator/TaraStrong Harley Quinn]] will act as the [[Creator/GreyDelisle Catwoman]] beating Batman while [[Creator/MarkHamill Joker]] looks on.]] |
| 392 | Only if the guys at Rocksteady are ''[[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender Avatar]]'' fans of course. |
| 393 | |
| 394 | [[WMG: Mr. Freeze is the reason it's snowing throughout Arkham City.]] |
| 395 | * Confirmed. |
| 396 | ** Well not really. It's the middle of Winter, however the goons have noticed that it's getting colder every year. They blame Freeze for THAT. |
| 397 | |
| 398 | [[WMG: Ra's Al Ghul will be the main villain of the ''third'' game.]] |
| 399 | Talia's supposed to appear in ''Arkham City'', but the villain roster is starting to get pretty full, so maybe Talia's appearance is meant to foreshadow some bigger scheme by her father some time in the near future. |
| 400 | * [[spoiler: Tossed, at least for now, since Ra's dies in the game. Then again, he's died before, so it can't be completely ruled out.]] |
| 401 | |
| 402 | [[WMG: Deadshot is working for Hugo Strange]] |
| 403 | It's been mentioned he managed to have his {{Hand Cannon}}s and a SniperRifle smuggled into Arkham City, but given that even Batman can't get things in and out of the city easily, is it not more plausible that he had help from Strange? |
| 404 | * Confirmed. |
| 405 | |
| 406 | [[WMG: Deadshot is left-handed.]] |
| 407 | In his third kill, [[spoiler: he uses pinball-precision to kill a political prisoner. [[TruthInTelevision Real-life tennis players with a southpaw have been able to win by knowing precisely where the ball would go, as other southpaw people can do with the spatial awareness that left-handedness can give you]].]] Also, in his final confrontation, [[spoiler: he uses his left hand to aim his wrist darts when looking for you]]. |
| 408 | |
| 409 | [[WMG: The mysterious chemical Batman tries to get from Mr. Freeze in his debut trailer is the cure for the Joker's disease.]] |
| 410 | Of course, it's probably also the cure for Nora's, which is why Freeze isn't too keen on parting with it. |
| 411 | * Partially confirmed. [[spoiler: It's the cure for Joker and Batman's disease, but Joker has Nora hostage and Freeze wants her FIRST.]] |
| 412 | |
| 413 | [[WMG: Alternatively, Mr. Freeze's mystery chemical is the key ingredient Batman needs for his freeze capsules.]] |
| 414 | If you subscribe to the "Joker isn't really sick at all" theory, this is the next most logical thing Batman might need the substance for. As for why Freeze wants to hang onto it, it could be that it will allow him to keep Nora on ice without the need for so much heavy equipment. |
| 415 | * [[spoiler: Tossed.]] |
| 416 | |
| 417 | [[WMG: OR Mr. Freeze wants titan]] |
| 418 | It would explain why Batman isn't willing to bargain with him since he wants it in as few hands as possible. And Freeze plans to mix it with other stuff. |
| 419 | * [[spoiler: Tossed.]] |
| 420 | |
| 421 | [[WMG: Rather than Joker, Hugo Strange will comment on Batman's performance in the Challenge Maps.]] |
| 422 | It would make sense. The prequel comic mentions Strange is trying to study Batman's moves. What better way to study him than to set him up in an arena with a bunch of {{Mooks}}? |
| 423 | * Tossed. The Riddler provides the commentary. |
| 424 | |
| 425 | [[WMG: Rocksteady's next game will be ComicBook/ThePunisher]] |
| 426 | Don't act like you don't love the idea |
| 427 | * Tossed before it even happens. WB Games, the parent company for Rocksteady, is also the parent company for DC Comics. Making a Marvel game would be working for the competition. |
| 428 | ** There have been DC/Marvel cross-overs before |
| 429 | |
| 430 | [[WMG: If there's a third game, [[spoiler: Harley Quinn will team up with Poison Ivy.]]]] |
| 431 | [[spoiler: Aside from the fans demanding that it happen, Harley's never been the independent type, and with Joker dead, where else can she go?]] |
| 432 | |
| 433 | [[WMG: Hush will be the main villain in the next game.]] |
| 434 | He's already altered his face to look exactly like [[spoiler: Bruce Wayne]]'s and intends to use this to ruin his reputation. [[spoiler: Having Batman need to clear his alter ego's name would be a nice plot point for a third installment.]] |
| 435 | ** For bonus points, ''Hush'' obviously hasn't happened in the Arkhamverse, leaving Rocksteady plenty of freedom to do whatever they want with Tommy Elliot. Can anyone say Superman boss-fight? |
| 436 | |
| 437 | [[WMG: [[spoiler: Taila is not dead. ]]]] |
| 438 | [[spoiler: Right after joker blows up the theater floor you crash into the room with the lazarus pit. Is it to hard to believe she fell in as you all crashed?]] |
| 439 | |
| 440 | [[WMG: [[spoiler: The Joker is not dead.]]]] |
| 441 | [[spoiler: According to one of the back stories Poison Ivy had a bad reaction to being injected with Titan between the games and almost died, The Joker lasted longer before collapsing because he had a larger dose in his body.]] |
| 442 | * [[spoiler:Only Ivy was able to create an antidote unique to her anatomy because the priest who did her last rites was covered in tree pollen. Joker didn't have that option.]] |
| 443 | ** [[spoiler: Let's not forget who we're dealing with, though. The guy's come BackFromTheDead countless times.]] |
| 444 | ** [[spoiler: Watch the ending cutscene again. Take note of which hand Batman holds the cure in before and after he blacks out. Notice anything? Now consider this: Joker's been pulling bluffs and double-bluffs on Batman and massing his forces to stage a mass breakout from Arkham City throughout the whole game... and now Batman has just carried him out the front door.]] |
| 445 | |
| 446 | [[WMG: [[spoiler: What Batman said before the Joker stabbed him, was a BatmanGambit itself]]]] |
| 447 | [[spoiler: When Batman said what he said before the Joker stabbed him, he was secretly hoping that the serum would drop, or break or something, and as such the decision to save the Joker would be taken out of his hands.]] Its a long shot yes, but Batman has had crazy plans before. |
| 448 | ** Well, it could certainly be a subconsciously executed BatmanGambit. |
| 449 | |
| 450 | [[WMG:In response to the ending, most of the supervillains will team up in the third game.]] |
| 451 | [[spoiler:As far as they know, Batman killed Joker. They'll likely join forces, despite still hating each other, purely because they think Batman is now willing to kill ''them'' as well, and want to put as much between him and them as possible.]] |
| 452 | |
| 453 | [[WMG: Batman will end up adopting [[spoiler: Joker's kid]]]] |
| 454 | * And the sequel will be you playing as [[spoiler: Joker and Harley's kid, adopted and raised by Batman.]] |
| 455 | ** [[spoiler: Tossed. It is revealed Harley had a fake positive.]] |
| 456 | |
| 457 | [[WMG: The ''Arkham Asylum'' and ''Arkham City'' games are in a divergent timeline from Chris Nolan's ''Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy'']] |
| 458 | * Asylum would take place 9 years after the Dark Knight, Arkham City is 10 years after The Dark Knight (making Batman 34 and 35 years old in the games). There are two timelines opened at the end of The Dark Knight, the one we see in the movie where Two-Face [[spoiler: dies and Batman takes the blame for his crimes]], and a separate timeline where he lives and is taken to Arkham, the hundreds of criminals he put in prison as Harvey Dent would have been released due to Dent becoming a killer and those 500-or-so criminals would likely go on to become the many supervillain henchman we see in Arkham City. This, in turn, would cause the people of Gotham to put more faith in vigilantes like Batman. Robin, Batgirl, Nightwing, and other heroes like Huntress and Creeper would soon follow. There are small tidbits that are open to the interpretation that these games are in canon with the movies. Here's a list of any connections between the films and the games: |
| 459 | ** The Batsuit being armoured, the glider cape, and being able to bend an enemy`s gun barrel using the hydraulics built into the suit (a new addition to Arkham City, but it's right out of TDK), and the concept of detective vision comes straight from TDK also. |
| 460 | ** Two-Face's general look |
| 461 | ** Joker's suit and painted-on red smile |
| 462 | ** The crashed monorail (from ''Batman Begins'') |
| 463 | ** Scarecrow's mask, as well as his obsession with poisoning Gotham`s water supply using the pipes under the asylum (again, from Begins) |
| 464 | ** Croc's appearance (similar to his look from ''WesternAnimation/BatmanGothamKnight'') |
| 465 | ** The flashback from ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamAsylum'' of Bruce losing his parents and meeting young Gordon at the police station |
| 466 | ** The general look of Gotham's Narrows |
| 467 | ** Ra's having a burned corpse in Arkham Asylum |
| 468 | ** Batman drinking from the cup before having to undergo the [[spoiler: Demon's Trials in order to meet Ra]]'s is similar to the start of Bruce's training with Ra's in Batman Begins |
| 469 | ** [[spoiler: Ra's staring on with delight as he and Hugo Strange destroy Arkham City is pertty much his plan from Batman Begins coming to fruition: to eliminate all crime in Gotham by destroying the city from within]] |
| 470 | ** The Riddler looks a bit like Creator/DavidTennant, who many people speculated would play the Riddler in ''Film/TheDarkKnightRises'' (it is a bit of a stretch, but I just can't help noticing it, especially because of that fake poster- search David Tennant Riddler on Google Images, then click on the first link you see). |
| 471 | *** It really wasn't a stretch, he said if it was at all possible he would play the Riddler in a Batman movie. |
| 472 | |
| 473 | [[WMG: By the time of the third game, Harley will be one of Gotham City's premier gang leaders]] |
| 474 | [[spoiler: The Joker's dead]], the Penguin has been humiliated and imprisoned, Two-Face has also probably lost a lot of credibility after being shown up by Catwoman so many times. Even Joker's own men mentioned Harley wouldn't be able to crack leading a gang for even a day, but what if, possibly with Ivy's help, she managed to [[TookALevelInBadass take a level in badass]] and prove them wrong? |
| 475 | * Going off of this and Azrael's ominous comments, Harley's plan will involve burning down Gotham with Batman in it. |
| 476 | |
| 477 | [[WMG: In relation to the WMG above, Rocksteady will make Batman Inc. as their 3rd game]] |
| 478 | At this point, they're gonna be going for a big finish for the [[RuleOfThree third game.]] |
| 479 | |
| 480 | [[WMG: The third game will be a straight-on adaptation of the Hush storyline]] |
| 481 | * It only makes sense. [[spoiler: Hush]] appears in a side mission and is still on the loose, Scarecrow is still at large and swearing revenge, and the Riddler will always try to one-up Batman. These three characters are the masterminds who work together in the first Hush story. Add to that, all of Gotham would be playable, Nightwing, Robin, Catwoman, and Huntress would appear in the main storyline, and Supes and Lois would make appearances. |
| 482 | ** [[spoiler: {{Jossed}}: ''Origins'' was a prequel and ''Knight'' only had Hush as a sidequest.]] |
| 483 | |
| 484 | [[WMG: The next game will be based on Cataclysm/No Man's Land.]] |
| 485 | Two things lead me to this theory: 1) [[spoiler: Azrael]] makes reference to Gotham "burning, and you will burn with it." which implies a major disaster is going to occur, and 2) seriously, ''how else'' are they going to get ''any'' bigger than this? Bonus points if they make Robin/Nightwing/Huntress/Batgirl into playable characters with branching campaign arcs! |
| 486 | * [[spoiler: {{Jossed}}, ''Knight'' wasn't based on ''No Man's Land''.]] |
| 487 | |
| 488 | [[WMG: Batman genetically modified himself so that his facial hair grows faster]] |
| 489 | Think about it! It's the perfect way of disguising his jawline. Bruce Wayne is thrown, clean-shaven, into Arkham City, about eight hours later, the Batman has the beginnings of a beard! Bruce is probably smart enough to know that exposing his jaw makes him easier to identify, so he could've messed with his genes in an effort to throw people off the scent. |
| 490 | * Now that's just silly. It's a MINIMUM of 12 hours in-universe from start to finish, given that the first time you hear Strange mention Protocol 10, he says it will commence in 10 hours. That's plenty of time for anyone to start growing stubble. Granted he's the ONLY one who shows it but aside from minor things (like Penguin's hand getting broken) he's also the only one who visibly changes through the game. Except of course for Joker and his "rash". |
| 491 | |
| 492 | [[WMG: Killer Croc will return in the next game]] |
| 493 | * [[CallBack He'll be stashed out in a quarry. Once Batman comes closer and closer, he'll throw a rock at him]]. |
| 494 | ** It'll be a big rock too. |
| 495 | [[spoiler: Technically confirmed: he appears in both ''Origins'' and ''Knight''.]] |
| 496 | |
| 497 | [[WMG: The Scarecrow boat easter egg will do something on halloween.]] |
| 498 | The boat that you can find in the docks has a drugged goon and a shipping invoice in it. If you look closely at the invoice the total cost of shipping the roaches came out at 560, 550. I assume I'm not the only one who tried to use it un the cryptographic sequencer, because it looks like the radio frequencies you've been using through the entire game, but it didn't do anything. I really hope it isn't a RedHerring, so I'm guessing it's gonna do something on halloween. |
| 499 | * You can change the system clock to find out whether this is true. However, considering your previous encounters with him in ''Asylum'', I dare you, because I am not taking the risk of possibly proving this theory. |
| 500 | ** {{Jossed}}. |
| 501 | |
| 502 | [[WMG: Clayface also wanted to become immortal. And he did.]] |
| 503 | When the offer for immortality is made, it is Clayface who accepts it. Joker would also want to become immortal for obvious reasons. Seeing what happens at the end of the game, Clayface got what he wanted. |
| 504 | |
| 505 | [[WMG: That night Batman and Talia had in Metropolis.]] |
| 506 | [[spoiler: Conceived Damian.]] |
| 507 | * [[spoiler: Tossed. She's dead.]] |
| 508 | * [[spoiler: Not really. Being dead doesn't mean she couldn't have had a kid. And we don't even know how long ago that night was...Besides, Damian was mostly a test tube baby.]] |
| 509 | ** [[spoiler: We also don't have any idea whether she'll stay dead. Lazarus Pits, yo.]] |
| 510 | |
| 511 | [[WMG: Riddler will ascend to being the BigBad of ''Arkham 3'']] |
| 512 | In ''Asylum'', Batman solved his riddles, and he vowed to return with even more taxing ones (in between getting whupped by the cops), he made good on that promise in ''City'', but Batman still managed to beat him. Riddler isn't the type to let it end there, so surely the only thing left to do is find out the identity of the Batman and crush him, once and for all. |
| 513 | ** {{Jossed}}: Scarecrow was the BigBad of ''Knight'' and [[spoiler: and Joker was still the BigBad of the prequel, ''Origins'']] |
| 514 | ** While the Riddler isn't the big bad of Knight, he was the big bad of rhe novel that bridged the story of Arkham City and Arkham Knight called [[Literature/BatmanArkhamKnightTheRiddlersGambit The Riddler's Gambit]]. |
| 515 | |
| 516 | [[WMG: [[spoiler: Ra's had no intention of naming Strange his heir had his plan succeeded]]]] |
| 517 | * [[spoiler: In reality, Ra's was testing Batman for some reason. Maybe if Batman had decided to give up and let the bombs fly, Ra's would have taken that as a sign that Batman had gotten over his foolish idealism (well, to Ra's it would be foolish) and that he was finally ready to take up the mantle as Ra's heir. If this sounds crazy, well... Ra's himself had stated that his constant use of the Lazarus Pits had made him unwell...]] |
| 518 | [[WMG:Batman let his alter ego Bruce Wayne get arrested and sent to Arkham City on purpose.]] |
| 519 | * This is pretty much a gimme. This is Batman who has millions of plans for every doomsday scenario possible, and a few that aren't. You don't think he couldn't have avoided being arrested if he wanted to? No, his plan was to get arrested so as to get inside Arkham City without getting shot at by Tyger. His choice of where to have his press conference (the front gate of Arkham City) is very conspicuous as Tyger has to go all of a hundred feet to put him inside Arkham City. From there it was a simple matter of having his equipment sent to him so he was more or less free to roam Arkham City without much interference from Tyger. |
| 520 | ** Nope. At the beginning of the game, having gotten into contact with Alfred, he's asked whether being arrested was planned, but it was beneficial since he got some face-time with Hugo Strange and learns about Protocol 10. Obtaining certain Riddler trophies and the like also tells us that Bruce Wayne's anti-Arkham City movement was genuine and something Batman proposed to Commissioner Gordon to fight Arkham City legally and publicly, since Sharpe had ignored Gordon's private protests. As such, whilst it benefits Batman in that he's able to bring Arkham City down after stopping Protocol 10, he probably never intended to get arrested. As for putting the press conference directly outside the gates, that's akin to any protest - You don't protest something by being in front of another site entirely (think Occupy Wall Street). |
| 521 | |
| 522 | [[WMG: Arkham 3's real villain will be Red Hood]] |
| 523 | The game will start with Harley controlling the remainder of Joker's forces with some extreme competence at Ace Chemicals(maybe putting her baby in the chemicals to make a new Joker). Batman is in the scaffolding waiting for the opportunity to strike when someone else arrives and starts beating and maybe even killing Harley's men all the while wearing a red mask. When the individual goes to kill Harley Batman intervenes. They fight and are extremely well matched until Batman thinks of a way to have the upper hand but accidentally causes the new red hood to fall into the chemical vat. What comes out is the new crown prince of crime setting the rest of the game up. |
| 524 | Alternatively the new Red Hood is wounded and leaves a blood sample behind. Batman analyzes the blood but finds the batcomputer's data for the match is corrupted and he can only get a small DNA match that can connect to any number of criminals in the city but there's the enzyme from Ra's al ghul. He goes back to the Lazarus Pit Chamber to find certain people alive and well(Ra's and Talia) but finds no match in either of them, but does learn that they had put someone he's familiar with in the pit. Red Hood attacks again and is again wounded. Batman has a greater DNA match and decides to eliminate anyone from the list that he's isn't more deeply familiar with then eliminates those that are far to unlikely to still be a suspect. He continues to investigate and soon comes across further evidents when the Red Hood has captured Robin. He confronts the Red Hood who tells him the only real way to save the boy wonder is to kill him. Batman fights Red Hood and removes his mask revealing no one else but Jason Todd. |
| 525 | ** Scarecrow was the main villain of ''Knight'', [[spoiler: but Jason did serve as his [[TheDragon dragon]].]] |
| 526 | |
| 527 | [[WMG: Every theory about the third game mentioned in [[http://www.gamesradar.com/batman-arkham-city-easter-eggs-secrets-sequel/ this GamesRadar article]] will be true.]] |
| 528 | Seriously, it's as though they've collected every possible Wild Mass Guess about the third game into one article ''and'' figured out how to make them all sound plausible. |
| 529 | |
| 530 | [[WMG: In the Arkham Verse Nightwing and/or Robin covered as Batman while he recovered from Bane's assault.]] |
| 531 | Either sanity prevailed, or Alfred/Oracle put their foot down. |
| 532 | ** Or given this and toher games ingoring certain thing, even if they're in bios, Knightfall didn't really happen. |
| 533 | |
| 534 | [[WMG: [[spoiler: The Joker arranged the MirrorRoutine with Clayface as an homage to ''Film/DuckSoup'']].]] |
| 535 | We know he likes that movie because he quotes it in the first game, plus it just seems like the kind of thing he'd do. |
| 536 | -->'''The Joker:''' Batman may look like an idiot, and talk like an idiot, but don't let that fool you: he really is an idiot! |
| 537 | |
| 538 | [[WMG: [[spoiler: Clayface wasn't really talking when he was standing in for Joker.]]]] |
| 539 | [[spoiler: Joker had Clayface swallow a speaker and spoke 'through' him when he needed to. Clayface is a good enough actor to ape Joker talking. You think he would let ANYONE tell the jokes but him?]] |
| 540 | * [[spoiler: Yes. Considering how Joker congratulated Clayface on his performance, he probably let Clayface speak so that there wouldn't be slips like Joker's uncontrollable cough.]] |
| 541 | |
| 542 | [[WMG: Firefly will play a large role in Arkham 3.]] |
| 543 | Who do we know of that can cause a huge, city-burning fire? If Harley really wants to burn the whole world, she could hire the services of Gotham's resident pyromaniac. He'd also be terrifying, since his MO is that he can "see things" in the flames; the player could probably see his POV sometimes. |
| 544 | ** {{Jossed}}, though Firefly does appear in both ''Origins'' and ''Knight''. |
| 545 | |
| 546 | [[WMG: Batman sometimes kills people during fights, but doesn't realize it because Oracle programmed the Batsuit to show them as unconscious.]] |
| 547 | Think about it. How could Batman have a 100% success rate with no killing? He has no way of knowing if a random henchman has a weak heart, a fragile skull, or other ailment that would make a regular Batman punch fatal. Throw in gadgets and predator mode and it's even worse-- what about the people who end up unconscious face down in water or strung up from a gargoyle? Now, think about Oracle. She is much less concerned with human life in this continuity-- she openly wonders if Bats should bother going after Deadshot, since he's taking out residents of Arkham City and she figures they're all bad people anyway and she doesn't seem bothered that Bats may have been tricked into killing people in the Identity Thief side mission. It's Alfred, not her, that forces him into stopping Protocol 10 instead of rushing after Talia. She just made a slight tweak to the cowl-- if Batman kills somebody on accident, they show up as unconscious. She knows that Gotham needs Batman and he would quit if he knew he killed somebody. |
| 548 | * That's arguably the best explanation I've heard for why Batman's brutality only renders people unconscious. |
| 549 | ** Doesn't seem likely to me. Remember, Lucias Fox exists in this continuity, so he's probably the one making all the tech, including the Detective Mode Vision thing. Oracle is great at hacking and gathering information, but sneaking in a tweak like that under both Batman and Foxes nose doesn't seem likely. I mean, come on... it's Batman. He'd know. |
| 550 | ** I like this idea, I really do. Maybe have it so he at least thinks Oracle does this and Batman abandons her, before approaching someone who had shown to have high morals (re: ''Film/TheDarkKnight'',) Lucius Fox. Played by (or based on) Creator/MorganFreeman. |
| 551 | |
| 552 | [[WMG: Joker was never sick.]] |
| 553 | [[spoiler: It was Clayface the entire time. The ''real'' Joker isn't even in the game.]] |
| 554 | * [[spoiler: Actually referenced in game, through the random thug banter once the game is finished. To paraphrase, one says something along the lines of "So there were two Jokers, right? Who's to say there wasn't a third?"]] |
| 555 | |
| 556 | [[WMG: [[spoiler: Clayface wasn't only masquerading as Joker...]]]] |
| 557 | * [[spoiler: He was the ''only'' inmate in Arkham City. Everyone you fight is Clayface.]] |
| 558 | ** [[spoiler: Heavily Tossed. Everyone has a skeleton where Clayface always can be seen without one. |
| 559 | ** The comic however does have him disguised as Deadshot once to steal Penguins guns. |
| 560 | |
| 561 | |
| 562 | [[WMG: Rocksteady will go even bigger for the third game.]] |
| 563 | All of Gotham will be playable, you'll have the Batmobile to use to get around, side missions will be given out by Jim Gordon who will call you with the batsignal. This will include almost the whole Rogues gallery, who will commit crimes for Batman to solve, independent of the main plot. Batman will call in all of his allies, and you'll be able to utilize Robin, Nightwing, Batgirl, Catwoman, Huntress, and other allies in combat and in stealth similar to the assassin recruits in Assassins Creed Brotherhood. The game will also support co-op multiplayer, friends will be able to take over an ally, allowing for one of the first ever co-op stealth games, allowing you to set up joint take downs, and combos. |
| 564 | ** Most of this was confirmed by ''Knight'', though you can't rally play as other characters and it's usally Alfred or Aaron Cash who gives out the side quests. |
| 565 | |
| 566 | [[WMG: In Arkham 3, you will have several "campaigns" depending on which character you play.]] |
| 567 | * As Batman, you'll deal with Hush, Scarecrow and the Riddler working together to bring Gotham to its knees: |
| 568 | ** Hush by slandering Bruce Wayne's reputation and taking from him everything: industries, charity associations, a huge part of Gotham will go down with Bruce Wayne if he's convicted of the crimes Hush commited. |
| 569 | ** Scarecrow [[spoiler:-as spoiled in Arkham City-]] will try to reduce Gotham's citizens to a bunch of rampaging terrified lunatics. |
| 570 | ** The Riddler will be back with a vengeance, and help the other two because the best victory over the Dark Knight is completly destroying what he fights so hard to protect: Gotham City. |
| 571 | ** That Campaign will be about saving Gotham's Soul, its Hope (symbolized by Bruce Wayne) and Humanity (the citizens). |
| 572 | * As Robin, you'll investigate on a possible return of the League of Assassins, because he's the only other in the Batfamily that Ra's Al Ghul respects -he calls him "Detective", like Batman |
| 573 | * As Nightwing, you'll have to stop Ivy on her "anti-humanity" roaring rampage of destruction. Why? because this troper would love an opportunity for some Oracle/Nightwing banter! |
| 574 | * As Catwoman, you'll try to find out what happened to Harley [[spoiler:after the Joker's death; and how her pregnancy turned out...]], and maybe find out that [[spoiler:Talia is still alive, thanks to the Lazarus Pit or because it was a body double that got killed by Clayface.]] |
| 575 | * If the stars align, they may even let us play as the Cassandra Cain Batgirl, or at least let her have a token appearence similar to what Robin got in this game. Why? Well for one thing the poor girl deserves some mainstream exposure by now, but her whole backstory and staunch conviction to her ThouShallNotKill beliefs matches up perfectly with Rocksteady's interpretation of the Bat mythology. She may end up having to deal with the more 'conventional' crooks while everyone else is dealing with the super villains: the mob families, Two-Face and Ventriloquist emerging to reclaim Scarface all seem like good candidates. |
| 576 | * Taking Azrael's VaguenessIsComing prophecy in AC, all the characters campaigns will combine for a grand finally, ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure'' style, that will result in the near/total destruction of Gotham, and will have even the villains teaming up with the Bat family to save their city. |
| 577 | * {{Jossed}}: As usual, you can only play as Batman and even then a lot of these ideas aren't in the game. |
| 578 | |
| 579 | [[WMG: The above two will both be utalized for the third game.]] |
| 580 | * And it will be called "Gotham City" and will mark the final in the trilogy, with an ending (maybe a secret unlockable one) teasing that they'll go on and make a Superman game as their next project. |
| 581 | |
| 582 | [[WMG: [[spoiler: The Joker is dead for good and isn't coming back]]]] |
| 583 | * [[spoiler: Rocksteady did this to establish the AnyoneCanDie approach they're taking to their Batman continuity, and will probably mean an even bigger body count for the third game.]] |
| 584 | |
| 585 | [[WMG: Strange did not hire Deadshot expecting him to succeed.]] |
| 586 | The real reason he hired him was to get him killed during Protocol 10. There's no reason to allow a contract killer to roam free when he's rounding up all the criminals of Gotham and [[spoiler:taking down the self-proclaimed "world's greatest assassin" would probably endear Strange to Ra]]'s. Why else would he need to hire an expensive assassin to gun down the political prisoners when [[spoiler:he's planning to kill every inmate in the city later the same night anyway]]? This also explains why Batman and Bruce Wayne are listed separately on Deadshot's hit list: Strange wants him to waste his time to ensure he's still in Arkham City when Protocol 10 is initiated. |
| 587 | ** Seems especially likely that Strange hired Deadshot with the intention of getting him killed; If he kills the people on his list, then there's zero chance of them speaking out in the wake of Protocol 10 - where, inevitably, people would have to enter the city to clean up; It also contributes to the idea that [[spoiler:Strange is smuggling weapons to Joker and others to deliberately create a powder keg out of the prison]], because Strange undoubtedly has footage from the TYGER surveillance stations and could claim Deadshot made his own way in, further making Arkham City seem a failure. So Strange kills two birds with one stone. |
| 588 | |
| 589 | [[WMG: Vicki Vale was the Mad Hatter's next target.]] |
| 590 | When you first see Jervis, he's spying on Vicki and Batman after one of his heroics with her. Though the sidquest shows he's after Batman, I'm sure one of his quotes during the struggle states that when Batman's under his control he was going to send him after "Alice". She's blond, beautiful, and women are slim pickings in Arkham City. With his mind fractured further than before, guess who's getting her own special tea. |
| 591 | In the Interview Tapes Hugo Strange get's Jervice's cooperation [[spoiler:to help brainwash Sharp to better control him]] by showing the Hatter "Alice" for him to keep when he's released. It's possible the "Alice" Was Vicki trying to interview Dr. Strange or Quincy Sharp. It's not hard to see the not-so-good doctor rigging Ms. Vale's arrival in town to keep his promise. |
| 592 | |
| 593 | [[WMG: The new ''[[Film/StarTrek2009 Star Trek]]'' movie was never made in the Arkham-verse.]] |
| 594 | Joker was unhappy with the ending to Lost. J.J. Abrams is most likely exceedingly dead. |
| 595 | * Maybe not. That line was delivered near the end of the game, when Joker started make ''a lot'' of entertainment industry references, to foreshadow [[spoiler:his identity as Clayface]]. Plus, he never said he didn't like it, he merely acted amused at how it upset others. So, it's just as likely that, in the Arkhamverse, ''J.J. Abrams is a supervillain''. Scary stuff. |
| 596 | |
| 597 | [[WMG: One of the sequel's plots will focus on Harley trying to resurrect the Joker.]] |
| 598 | Most likely the next game will have a number of intertwined subplots, but Harley is most likely going to focus on bringing Mister J back at any cost, if she's given even an inkling about the possibility. She could commandeer cryotechnology from Mr. Freeze, and start a project to excavate the Lazarus Pit back to functional condition. Of course, if she succeeds, the result will be an abomination - a monster hybrid of Joker and Clayface. |
| 599 | * On top of this, in the Harley Quinn's Revenge DLC, you can find several posters for Cadmus Labs throughout the steel mill. One of the things Cadmus is best known for is ''cloning'', including Kon-El[=/=]Connor Kent[=/=]Superboy. |
| 600 | ** {{Jossed}}, [[spoiler: though Harley does obsess over the Joker Infected when she learns of them in ''Knight''.]] |
| 601 | |
| 602 | [[WMG: Oracle was late to the party because Barbara Gordon needed to ditch her bodyguard.]] |
| 603 | Commissioner Gordon just saw TYGER guards snatch an influential billionaire from a podium in the middle of a live press conference. Gordon probably wouldn't put it past Strange to snatch his daughter as punishment for his own opposition to Arkham City, so he assigned someone he trusts to protect Barbara. This was inconvenient for her since she couldn't lead him/her to her Oracle layout so she had to take the time to ditch them first. |
| 604 | |
| 605 | [[WMG: Scarecrow did have a presence in Arkham City.]] |
| 606 | Between the hidden messages (most likely from him as they [[http://oi42.tinypic.com/30jpac3.jpg triangulate]] between the Gotham City radio tower, his mask on the bridge and the hidden boat), the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGwClEZ5qAs&feature=related boat itself]] filled with insects and the possibility of [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed7evJGwQ5U hidden Scarecrow thugs]], there's plenty of evidence Crane is NotQuiteDead. |
| 607 | Additionally, the insects found in the boat are found in multiple places around Arkham City (Wonder City, Hush's lair, some of the Riddler Hostage rooms). Maybe Scarecrow's been using them as carriers to spread the effects of the fear toxin? |
| 608 | |
| 609 | [[WMG: The sequel will have a fight between the two Azraels.]] |
| 610 | At some point Michael Lane and the Order of Purity will break off from the Order of St. Dumas and Lane will end up going rounds with Jean-Paul Valley. |
| 611 | * Why are we assuming Valley exists in the Arkhamverse? It does seem likely that Azrael will fight both against and beside Batman at different times, though. |
| 612 | ** {{Jossed}}, Azrael, even in this game, said he worked for the Order of St. Dumas. |
| 613 | |
| 614 | [[WMG: There is a ''very'' well-hidden secret in the game.]] |
| 615 | Much like the "Warden's Office" secret in Asylum, Rocksteady has put in yet another nigh-impossible to find secret. It also gives us a big clue for the next Arkham game. Hopefully, if it does exist, they'll throw us a bone after a few months if nobody can find it. |
| 616 | * I think that may have been meant to be the Scarecrow hatch this year, it was just found much faster than they expected. I mean think about it, compare the two - in one, you have to spray a specific spot on some wall with three bits of explosive gel and blow it through. In another, you have to divebomb onto a hatch on some seemingly random boat, and then pull out the cryptographic sequencer. They're both rather random things to do, yeah? Also, similarly to the Warden's Office secret, what you find in Scarecrow's hidden hatch appears to relate to a villain's plans for the sequel. So yes, I think this was supposed to be the unfindable secret, but - possibly due to the Warden's Office fiasco from before - people have scoured all over Arkham City looking for secrets, and they ending up finding this within, like, a week of the game's release, and now pretty much everyone knows about it. |
| 617 | |
| 618 | [[WMG: The Justice League doesn't exist in the Arkham-verse.]] |
| 619 | [[spoiler: In the Nonstandard Game Over in Catwoman's DLC, Joker wins and his forces take over Gotham City, killing Commissioner Gordon in the process, and causing Wayne Manor to be compromised. Oracle's desperation saying that Joker's won implies that the other members of the Bat-Family have fallen as well. If Gotham City were really to fall to the Joker's forces, the Justice League would be there in a heartbeat to stop it. And there's just no way that Batman's Rogues Gallery, even all of them, to could stand up to the combined power of the League.]] |
| 620 | * A lack of a League wouldn't stop Superman hearing everything that's going on from a few million miles away. Though that does raise the question of why he isn't zooming in and kicking ass... |
| 621 | * Well, the Leaguers ''do'' tend to stay out of each others' various cities unless they specifically ask for help. Depending on how long they've known each other in this continuity (if at all), it's not a far stretch to say that Clark would know well enough not to give Bruce unwanted help. For superheroes, it's a big mutual respect thing. |
| 622 | ** I think once Batman is dead and the city has fallen to the Joker, 'unwanted help' isn't really an issue. |
| 623 | * As an expansion, we might assume that other superheroes don't exist. Strange is pretty blithe about setting up camps in Keystone City (which would be problematic - Flash's presence means there are almost no homicides, and thus getting public support is unlikely), and Metropolis (which would be insane, since Superman's senses would quickly penetrate Strange's secrets), and even if Strange was too crazy to think that through, Ra's isn't. More thematically, the Arkham games have really focused on the theme of superpowers making people inhuman (look at Ra's fear of what the pits are making him, or Ivy's deterioration between ''Asylum'' and ''City''), so a heroic person with powers seems less natural there than in other continuities. |
| 624 | * The part of there being no toher heroes is {{Jossed}}: ''Knight'' sees several mentioned to other heroes, including Superman and the Flash, Oracle's computer shows she's talking to Black Canary and Hnutress, and John Cnostantine has an office in Gotham. |
| 625 | |
| 626 | [[WMG: The third gang will start with a massive gang war, and then it will get worse.]] |
| 627 | Black Mask is practically fated to be in the third game: they've designed a character model and everything. The games have dropped no fewer than two hints about Maxie Zeus, with his cell in the first game and his nightclub in the second. Two-Face ends the game in a position of relative power. Scarecrow is still out there and obviously more than a little upset about his run-in with Killer Croc. Azrael has warned Batman that Gotham is going to go up in flames. |
| 628 | * Also, the in-game stories reveal that the Falcone and Maroni families are gone, which will leave a huge power vacuum to fill. |
| 629 | |
| 630 | [[WMG: In the third game, Harley takes over the League of Assassins.]] |
| 631 | Hey, they're leaderless, and Harley needs some thugs. It's a good fit. |
| 632 | * Calling them ''thugs'' doesn't exactly seem accurate, and even then why would they join up with the girlfriend of the guy that killed Talia? |
| 633 | * New leadership for the League does seem likely to come up in some form, though. If Ra's and/or Talia is brought back, that would surely warrant a mention, and if neither is, there's a powerful group of international terrorists guarding the secret of immortality... without a clear line of succession. |
| 634 | |
| 635 | [[WMG: The third game will fast-forward to the Arkham-verse's version of [[WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond Beyond's]] time]] |
| 636 | And the Dee Dees will feature prominently in it. [[spoiler: Why else would they have put that pregnancy test in Harley's room and made sure to render it so that it unambiguously reads positive?]] Between the Beyond costume and the sandbox approach City takes, it'd make sense. |
| 637 | * It certainly makes sense, given that the pregnancy is major sequel bait and too big to simply be put in the background of the sequel, and beating up a pregnant woman or a child just wouldn't be a 'Batman' thing to do...It seems likely that Joker Jr. will be going up against Terry. And let's be honest, we all want to be able to fly around a cyberpunk Gotham with Terry's rocket boots. |
| 638 | * Seconded by @/AlexSora89. Not only, [[spoiler: Harley's baby]] is gonna become... [[MythologyGag *smirks*]] [[WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyondReturnOfTheJoker Joker Junior.]] |
| 639 | * Thirded by Tropers/TheMightyHeptagon. Alternately, Bruce ''and'' Terry will be playable, with the timeframe jumping back and forth to show how past events affect the future. Or Bruce will simply by a DecoyProtagonist. Also, keep in mind that if this theory ''is'' correct, there's a solid possibility that [[spoiler: [[WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyondReturnOfTheJoker the Joker will resurrect himself by using a microchip to overwrite somebody else's personality with his own]]]]. |
| 640 | * Fourthed. Barbara sounded pretty damn jealous when Bruce first brought up Talia, possibly alluding to their failed relationship in Beyond (I can't think of any other continuity where they got together or even felt any attraction to each other). That being said, I suspect we might not see this till the fourth game since Azrael's warnings and Scarecrow's plot suggest something along the lines of a city wide catastrophe too big to be contained in a DLC. And there absolutely has to be a Boss Battle with Mad Stan. |
| 641 | ** Or, alternately, it'll be resolved in a DLC mission. Just a thought. |
| 642 | * I agree as well. I could totally see Batman: Arkham Beyond happening, as it would not only provide a cool conclusion to Harley's pregnancy (it's the Dee Dees), but it would provide a nice way of keeping the villains fresh. You could have Willie Watt taking over the Riddler's role, for example. |
| 643 | * {{Jossed}} on both counts: ''Origins'' was a prequel and ''Knight'' takes place a year after ''City'' |
| 644 | |
| 645 | [[WMG: In the third game, The Riddler will have reformed and will take the place of Oracle/Alfred.]] |
| 646 | But won't be able to stop being an InsufferableGenius to Batman, despite being on the side of good. |
| 647 | ** {{Jossed}}. |
| 648 | |
| 649 | [[WMG: You can play as Harley and Ivy in the next game.]] |
| 650 | I just want it to be true. |
| 651 | * And at some point Ivy will fight [[VideoGame/PlantsVsZombies Zombies]]. |
| 652 | |
| 653 | [[WMG: Razor is a ButtMonkey with LegacyImmortality.]] |
| 654 | * Whenever Joker's gang winds up with a new recruit who is exceptionally clumsy and gullible, rather than just killing him, they give him the tough-sounding nickname "Razor" and convince him that he is a respected and feared member of the gang, when in reality he is simply the gang's ButtMonkey. Whenever Joker expects his gang to perform an especially dangerous task, Razor is always given the most dangerous roles and is frequently left to die. When the current Razor meets his demise, the process begins again and a new Razor is selected. For example, the man known as Razor in ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamAsylum'' was left in the room filled with Joker gas (twice!) and was eventually killed during the Joker's test of the exploding gargoyles. Razor's nature as a LegacyCharacter explains why the death of Razor at the hands of Two-Face is being mocked by a pair of Joker Thugs in Arkham City even though the character is clearly deceased in ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamAsylum''. |
| 655 | |
| 656 | [[WMG: The Abramovici twins will be back in the sequel.]] |
| 657 | They'll be surgically reattached, and working for Two-Face. That guy would LOVE a pair of conjoined twins as EliteMooks. And they'll be a boss fight! |
| 658 | * And maybe, they'll get exposed to Titan, too... |
| 659 | ** {{Jossed}}, they don't appear in ''Knight''. |
| 660 | |
| 661 | [[WMG: Talia will be back, as a proper villain this time.]] |
| 662 | Ra's couldn't bear losing two of his potential successors on one day, so he gives her a dip in the Lazarus pit. It's not exactly good for her sanity. Maybe she'll even overthrow her father to lead the League of Assassins herself. |
| 663 | ** The writers of Arkham World called. You're hired. |
| 664 | |
| 665 | [[WMG: Harley Quinn will be the villain of the third Arkham game]] |
| 666 | In the third game, Harley will want revenge on Batman and will attempt to kill him to avenge the Joker while at the same time, taking care of her baby. |
| 667 | * She's the main antagonist of her own DLC... |
| 668 | ** And {{Jossed}} on both counts: [[spoiler: the ''Origins'' prequel is Joker as the main villain]] and Scarecrow's the BigBad of ''Knight''. |
| 669 | |
| 670 | [[WMG: The Main Gang leaders in Arkham 3 will be...]] |
| 671 | * Two Face: Pretty obvious really. By the end of the game he controls most of Arkham City and has the Penguin locked up. After the vacuum left behind by Joker and Strange Two Face will have no problem strengthening his position. |
| 672 | * Black Mask: His cameo suggests that he'll be playing a much bigger role down the line. As the only inmate to escape Arkham City, he's got a very strong reputation to draw in followers. |
| 673 | * Harley: Next in line to the Joker's empire before her kid grows up. She may have a hard time controlling his goons since they don't seem to show her much respect but she could always use Ivy to strengthen her position. |
| 674 | * Carmine Falcone: While he's dead in comics canon the Arkhamverse does have tendency to deviate from the source material (since Bane broke Batman's back but this is his first encounter with Azrael). We know the Falcones moved their operations to Bludhaven to avoid being sent to Arkham City, and with the death of Strange and the Joker they may move back in to exploit the power vacuum. Also Calendar Man teases Catwoman about her father, whose been suggested (though not outright confirmed) to be Falcone. |
| 675 | ** Falcone doesn't appear at all in ''Knight'', Black Mask only appears in DLC, but otherwise, Harley, Two-Face, and Penguin control their own gangs. |
| 676 | |
| 677 | [[WMG: Potential villains to be introduced in Arkham 3 (besides the obvious ones):]] |
| 678 | * Hush, Riddler, and Scarecrow. As mentioned before, the prime antagonists in the Hush storyline. |
| 679 | ** Wasn't this supposed to be "besides the obvious ones"? Hush plot or not, those are a heavily foreshadowed introduction, a recurring boss, and the breakout villain of the first game, respectively. They'll be there. |
| 680 | * Prometheus. C'mon, he's the anti-Batman. Imagine having a boss fight with yourself! |
| 681 | ** {{Jossed}} |
| 682 | * Firefly. Azrael already mentioned Gotham going up in flames, and he would make an excellent boss fight. |
| 683 | ** It would finally give the series a chance to intregrate platforming challenges and boss fights, as you chase him around outdoors, trying to catch up with that jetpack. |
| 684 | ** While he wasn't what Azrael was referring to, confirmed on both counts, Firefly does appear in both ''Origins'' and ''Knight''. |
| 685 | * Solomon Grundy, for the sheer fact that he never dies. |
| 686 | ** {{Jossed}}, though he does appear in ''Blackgate''. |
| 687 | * Man-Bat. If only because fighting a giant bat would be a pretty cool boss fight. |
| 688 | ** Confirmed. |
| 689 | * Calendar Man, but only on certain holidays. For added replay value. Or "set your system clock" value, anyway. |
| 690 | ** All he got in both ''Origins'' and ''Knight'' is a cameo. |
| 691 | * Maxie Zeus. Perhaps an electricity-based Mr. Freeze? |
| 692 | ** {{Jossed}}. |
| 693 | * The Red Hood. Maybe even make him a player character, just because. |
| 694 | ** Confirmed: there's DLC of him in ''Knight'' [[spoiler: and he's the titular Arkham Knight]]. |
| 695 | * Jackanapes. Yes, he's supposed to be Damian Wayne's future child, but he is ''a gorilla with a machete''. |
| 696 | ** {{Jossed}}. |
| 697 | * Bat-Mite, just so we could have a new Mad Hatter/Scarecrow-type thing. |
| 698 | ** {{Jossed}}. |
| 699 | |
| 700 | [[WMG: Clayface never told Joker about the Lazerus Pit.]] |
| 701 | Think about it. If Joker knew about the place why not go there instead of baiting Batman for a cure he didn't have. He clearly wanted to live but seeing how Harley stole the cure and immediately after that Joker started letting Clayface impersonate him to put up the illusion that he'd gotten the cure and it had worked there was no reason for Batman to be saving any for him. Given he spends his last moments trying to lap the cure off the ground it's clear that Joker wanted to live. As crazy as he is I think if he'd known there was a third option he would have gone to the pit himself. |
| 702 | * Tossed. Joker clearly made reference to his "spa treatment". |
| 703 | |
| 704 | [[WMG: Freeze will have largely reformed by the third game]] |
| 705 | His only villainous acts in Arkham City are directly trying to save Nora's life - not in the long-range sense, but from immediate harm at the hands of Joker's thugs. He makes a point of telling Batman "we are not friends," and those two do make a point to threaten each others' lives ([[PoorCommunicationKills for no real reason]]), but this Freeze has a very good shot at getting out of the supervillain gig, and is a fan-favorite semi-ally to boot. |
| 706 | |
| 707 | [[WMG: The Bat-Family (Nightwing, Robin, Huntress, etc.) will be bosses or bonus bosses in The Sequel]] |
| 708 | They've used pretty much all the A-list villains. People want to see the heroes. Kill two birds with one stone, then, since having the Family as bosses adds recognizable characters without having to go outside the Gotham City limits. Also provides a new and legitimate challenge to Batman, fighting a high-tier martial artist rather than just punks or abominations. |
| 709 | * Of course, they'll be manipulated in some way; brainwashed by Ivy/Hatter, gassed by Scarecrow, indoctrinated by Cerberus (Nightwing DOES look like [[VideoGame/MassEffect3 Kai Leng]]...), manipulated by Hush, recruited by the Order Of St. Dumas, or what have you. |
| 710 | * That would be cool, but unless Rocksteady thinks of a very different way to handle one-on-one fights in the combat engine, it wouldn't be practical for the same reasons we couldn't have a Hugo Strange boss fight. |
| 711 | ** Not really that impractical. Even without adding new mechanics, make them like Talia's ninjas with a longer life bar (think Two-Face and Harley in the Catwoman and Harley's Revenge DLC's) and maybe a few extra moves. |
| 712 | |
| 713 | [[WMG: The third game will take place in a section of Gotham flooded with Fear Toxin.]] |
| 714 | This would pay off the Scarecrow foreshadowing by making him the BigBad, andresolve most of the questions regarding a sequel. How can you [[SequelEscalation set the next game in an even larger area than a square mile of outdoor prison]]? It's a large section of town populated by normal people, but they're all either hiding in terror, or have gone insane enough to attack Batman on the streets. If the villains control the area, why are there so few armed enemies? Only a few civilians, the cops, and [[EliteMooks Scarecrows own minions]] would be likely to be armed. Why are these ever-larger problems [[AllUpToYou only reachable by a lone vigilante]]? All the other authorities are busy maintaining a quarantine to keep the gas contained. And how will Azrael's vague predictions about the doom of Gotham come to a head? The whole city literally being destroyed by its own fears seems to fit the bill.\ |
| 715 | \ |
| 716 | Naturally, Batman would have a gas mask and thus be immune to the gas, but would occasionally get injected, and then go through ''Asylum''-style Scarecrow sequences until he could get an antidote (and maybe some random hallucinations would occur more and more towards the end of the game, as the trace amounts of gas getting through his filters built up). |
| 717 | * This actually seems very likely. I'm not sure if this is official yet, but I always took the password to the secret Scarecrow area ("CITYOFTERROR") to mean that ''Batman: City of Terror'' would be the title of the third game. If this is the case, a plot like that would definitely fit the title. |
| 718 | * It would also fit the trend that the games have been following up until now. I think they chose Arkham Asylum as the setting for the first game because they wanted to emphasize detail over size, and knew that they would never be able to put all the details they wanted into an area as big as Gotham City. For the sequel, then, we got to see ''part'' of Gotham, but the developers avoided the size problem by turning a big section of the city into an enclosed prison. For the third game, they could follow the same approach by moving the action into the more developed areas of downtown Gotham, but they could avoid the size problem by working a quarantine into the plot. |
| 719 | * That Easter Egg will most definitely be a foreshadowing. In a story revealed by a riddle, it's revealed that Batman first started investigating when he saw blueprints for Arkham City in the Warden's office in the last game. That Easter Egg could only be found by the player by [[GuideDangIt knowing it was there]], just like Scarecrow's hideout in Arkham City. For further proof, another riddle-story says that Batman refused to believe that Scarecrow perished in the claws of Killer Croc. Finding Scarecrows hideout was a turning point for Batman's investigation and the next comic will most likely have him confronting Mr. Fine and/or Falcone. |
| 720 | * Expanding on the gas mask from above, maybe Bats will start experiencing minor hallucinations which become worse and more frequent as time goes on, and in order to stop the hallucinations, he has to go to designated points on the map to change the filters in the mask. |
| 721 | [[WMG: The third game will feature all of City's player characters and expand it]] |
| 722 | * Robin and Nightwing will now have proper storylines, and possibly feature new costumes in addition to the ones from Akham City. Other new characters will include: |
| 723 | * Batgirl. While any version aside from Barbara should be fine (since she's Oracle) Cassandra would probably fit best with the tone of the games. Has a stripped down version of Batman's arsenal and relies on own body rather than weapons. Possible skins with Barbara Gordon and Stephanie Brown skins, and BlackBat. Maybe include Bette or Flamebird as well. |
| 724 | * Batwoman. Obviously the modern Kate Kane version is best suited, but could wind up being too similar to Cassie. Possible extra skins in the Kathy Kane and DCAU skins. |
| 725 | * Huntress. Would have more differences with Batgirl than Batwoman, including having her crossbow and perhaps less gadgets. Extra skins include Helena Wayne and possibly her Batgirl costume. |
| 726 | * Red Hood. There's nothing to confirm Jason didn't exist, and he could have even mellowed with Joker's death. Will have a more brutal fighting style including a gun and a knife. Possible skins include Joker's Red Hood costume, and the costume from Morrison's Batman and Robin run. |
| 727 | * Renee Montoya: As a cop she would have to resort to using a flashlight, baton, ect to deal with the crazies, put her investigation skills to the test and adopt Batman's no kill policy, so no gun. She could also appear as ComicBook/TheQuestion, which would be the same, but moreso. Why her and not Gordan? He might be a good alternative, but maybe a bit old. Harvey Bullock? Can you see him fitting into air vents? |
| 728 | |
| 729 | [[WMG: Possible playable characters and villains in Arkham 3.]] |
| 730 | Playable Characters: |
| 731 | * Batman, Robin, and Catwoman: Natch. |
| 732 | * Nightwing: He was a DLC character who didn't appear in the game proper, so why not? |
| 733 | * Azrael: If I recall correctly, Michael Lane was a member of the Bat Family, not to mention that his speech was a SequelHook. |
| 734 | * Huntress: Mentioned by Vicki Vale during her interview with Sharp. Only playable on the Challenge Maps. |
| 735 | * Creeper: Again, mentioned by Vale. Besides, he'd make excellent comic relief. Only playable on the Challenge Maps. |
| 736 | * Mr. Freeze: He worked so well as a sympathetic AntiHero in ''City'', there's no reason he couldn't be playable. In the same way that Catwoman's lithe, agile fighting style was a good contrast to Batman's, Freeze's lumbering movement and use of freeze-guns would add some great variety to gameplay. |
| 737 | ** Or give him an entirely new suit that makes him as agile as Bats, but just give him different equipment. |
| 738 | * Bruce Wayne: Plays exactly like Batman, minus the gadgets and the ability to glide. Basically, just like in the beginning of Arkham City, when you fight Penguin's goons for the first time. Might be a Challenge Map DLC character. |
| 739 | |
| 740 | Villains: |
| 741 | * Scarecrow and Hush: They're the most obvious ones. |
| 742 | * Ventriloquist: Arnold Wesker was mentioned in a police radio call as having taken hostages. Might play a small role. |
| 743 | * Firefly: He was stated to be at large and Azrael stated that Gotham would burn. |
| 744 | * Prometheus: In the Gotham PD, you can find a sheet of paper tacked onto a notice board stating that he had "Passed" his evaluation at Arkham Asylum. He might just start doing his usual gig again, now that he's free. |
| 745 | * Orca: She isn't mentioned all that much in the Batman franchise overall, plus she would make for a good surprise character. |
| 746 | * Ratcatcher: According to an Arkham City story, the Penguin had his goons drag him to the museum, kicking and screaming. He was never heard from again, but you never actually find him in the museum. Who's to say he didn't escape and went into hiding? |
| 747 | * Black Mask: He's the antagonist of a couple of DLC Challenge Maps and he actually has his own model. Doubled with the fact that he was the only person who successfully escaped Arkham City would make him a good choice. He might play the part of the game's BigBad. |
| 748 | * Professor Pyg: The Arkham Games are already dark, but Pyg would be pushing the envelope a bit. His Mooks would be the Dollotrons that he makes. At one point in the game, he would capture Batman and prepares to perform his [[BodyHorror surgery]] on Bats and you have to escape the building where he takes Bats. |
| 749 | * Great White Shark: If Black Mask and the Ventriloquist appear, Great White Shark's gang would make a good third faction. |
| 750 | * The Mad Hatter: He appeared in Arkham City, but now he could have his own mind controlled gang. He could hire Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee because of their similar themes. |
| 751 | * Killer Moth: It would be interesting to fight an anti-batman. |
| 752 | * Man-Bat: Same reason as Killer Moth. |
| 753 | |
| 754 | Both: |
| 755 | * Deathstroke: His role would be that he was hired to kill Batman, but later learns that his contractor planned to have him killed to avoid having to pay him. He then starts seeking revenge with the help of Batman. The contractor in question will be the BigBad. He was also in Arkham City Lockdown, which means he might appear in the next game. Only playable in the Challenge Maps. |
| 756 | * Red Hood II: Tries to stop crime in his own brutal fashion, and Batman attempts to stop him. He gets his priorities straight towards the end and helps Batman fight against the BigBad. Only playable on the Challenge Maps. |
| 757 | [[WMG: In the third game Joker seems to miraculously be back.]] |
| 758 | Until he disappears and you realize it was a Scarecrow hallucination. |
| 759 | |
| 760 | [[WMG:Future content will include Renee Montoya.]] |
| 761 | * There are several ways this could work: as a badass [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries cop]][[ComicBook/GothamCentral detective]] trying to keep either Arkham or Gotham under control. Orr she could appear as ComicBook/TheQuestion. As we know none of Batman's allies thus far have gotten through to him after he went off the rails. So maybe someone else can, like Superman, Wonder Woman, or even a lowly police officer. |
| 762 | |
| 763 | [[WMG: The next game will have Man-Bat as a large-sized boss, ala Killer Croc and Solomon Grundy.]] |
| 764 | * He still has yet to appear. Also, it would easy to make him scaled up to be another giant, threatening physical foe. And this troper thinks it would be really cool if Rocksteady took the opportunity to turn things around with the boss battles a little bit: Man-Bat can fly and acts like a bat, so he would be the one acting like a predator during the fight, and he'd be the one up in the rafters, where Batman gets a taste of his own medicine and is stuck on the ground, trying to evade him until he can beat him down. |
| 765 | |
| 766 | [[WMG: The ComicBook/SecretSix will become antagonists in a future game]] |
| 767 | * Considering that Deadshot and Bane have already appeared in the series, they could potentially have the rest of the Six as villains Batman will have to deal with. Catman could sic lions on him. Scandal and Ragdoll might take a more stealthy approach and the sixth member could even be Harley. |
| 768 | |
| 769 | [[WMG: The third game will be called ''Arkham Aftermath'']] |
| 770 | |
| 771 | [[WMG: the next game will have two campaign modes one where Batman and cohorts try to stop Hush and another where the villains team up to take down Scarecrow]] |
| 772 | * The good guy one needs no explaining but for the bad guy one Riddler who will take Oracles role for the villains will discover that Scarecrow was behind Protocol 10 (manipulating Strange with fear toxin) and also discover that he plans to wipe out all other Gotham villains so he's number one he will inform several of the villain's of this and work with them to take down Scarecrow. |
| 773 | |
| 774 | [[WMG: The third game will be based off ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns''.]] |
| 775 | * The deaths of Joker and Talia drive Batman into retirement, Two Face is captured, as one of the more reasonable villains realizes Strange played him and suddenly wants to become normal again, and the other criminals are decimated from the events of the second game. However ten years later the mutants rise forcing Bruce Wayne to take up the mantle of Batman, Carrie Kelly is enamored by stories of the Dark Knight (ala ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'') and becomes the new Robin, and Joker is somehow BackFromTheDead. Given Batman's mindset his fighting becomes even more brutal and one of the boss battles will include tearing apart the mutant leader in the mud pit. The final boss? Superman, which will involve using the counter button to prevent Batman from landing a killing blow. The playable epilogue will involve Batman BackFromTheDead and going after ComicBook/LexLuthor. |
| 776 | |
| 777 | [[WMG: The Ratcatcher will be working alongside Scarecrow in the third game.]] |
| 778 | Basically, Scarecrow will have Ratcatcher's rats laced with fear toxin, and Ratcatcher will have the rats running through the sewers into Gotham City proper. Batman won't know about this initially, but once he does, it plays out similarly to Joker's blood being sent to the hospitals in City. |
| 779 | ** Not a bad idea, but it seems the story is Penguin had him killed. |
| 780 | *** While the story did state that he was dragged kicking and screaming to the museum and was never seen again, you never find any evidence of him in the museum. I'm willing to bet that he managed to escape somehow and went into hiding. |
| 781 | |
| 782 | [[WMG: Joker in the third game.]] |
| 783 | With Creator/MarkHamil hanging up the clown outfit who'd be a worthy replacement? How about [[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer David]] [[Series/{{Angel}} Boreanaz?]] Angelus would play the role of ComicBook/TheJoker like a fiddle. |
| 784 | * They should actually [[spoiler:leave the Joker dead]]. He was a ''major'' (if not the primary) villain for two consecutive games (definitely this for the first one, [[spoiler:and has more screentime than Hugo Strange in the second one, took control of nearly all Arkham City, ''plus'' he's the final villain to play his scheme, after Strange is defeated]]). [[spoiler:He died, and we have Harley going (even more) crazy trying to avenge him, and ultimately his body being cremated in the follow-up comics]]. With Joker out of the picture, other villains will have more space for themselves. And let's be honest, it would be kinda boring having a ''third'' Joker-centric villain scheme, let the other ones have their time in the spotlight. |
| 785 | ** Plus, [[spoiler:bringing him back would ruin the shock and the power (and even the drama) of his definitive death. It was a strong, awesome scene and should be left untouched]]. |
| 786 | ** Oh I'm not saying he should be brought back. There's a lot of ways a third game could play out without him. I'm saying if, ''if'' he makes a return who would be a worthy replacement for the role. As far as [[spoiler: The Joker's death]] is concerned, what does that mean for the third game? Well for those who played it Two Face came out alright, with the other gangs decimated he is potentially the biggest threat. There are a couple of directions that could be taken with this, for one Harvey's psych compared to Bruce who had become closer and closer to his ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns portrayal. With the film this year that might be inspiration to look at the idea of playing around with Harvey seeing what a monster he had become and Bruce in his state not listening. For another all of Gotham becoming a playing area with Scarecrow using his fear toxins is a popular theory, so the developers might listen and work that into the game. The super secret hint in the first game hinted at the second, the not so super secret hint in the second enforces the idea this might be the direction the game is heading. The point is the ending of the second game I'm sure will stick and sure it would be great if [[spoiler: Joker]] does appear again but it should stick. I just think based on his previous roles David Boreanaz would be great in the role. It probably couldn't happen, and even if it could it likely shouldn't. If it did though, he'd be a good choice. |
| 787 | ** He might come back as a fear gas hallucination, that's true. I'd choose Creator/JohnDiMaggio, he nailed it in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood''. That Joker was awesome and terrifying. |
| 788 | ** Indeed it was. If we are going by Joker appearing as a fear induced hallucination why not have multiple Jokers? Inspired by such sources as ''Film/TheDarkKnight'', ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'' and yes, ''WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood''. Same with other villains and characters, we can have Dick Grayson becoming the person he was in ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'', Jason Todd's death, we could have Penguin appear in his Arkham guise as well as the way he appeared in ''Film/BatmanReturns''. That way we could get both voice actors and it would be a nice nod to not only the other interpretations of Batman but the works that like to tell different versions such as ''Gotham Knights, Legends of the Dark Knight,'' ect, or the stories where we think or Batman thinks it's real (''Over the Edge, Perchance to Dream.'') |
| 789 | ** Creator/TroyBaker voiced the Joker in the prequels [[spoiler: and despite what he said, Mark Hamill does voice the Joker halluications and flashbacks in ''Knight''.]] |
| 790 | |
| 791 | [[WMG: The Third Game]] |
| 792 | It will have Gotham as the setting, and the Scarecrow as the BigBad planning on releasing his fear toxin. |
| 793 | * And the title will be ''Batman: City of Terror''. |
| 794 | ** Hey, The Terror was the movie playing at the end. A subtle hint the third game will go in this direction? |
| 795 | ** Not to mention the fact the level of detail on Gotham in this game despite the fact you would [[GoodBadBug normally]] only see it in the distance. I believe it was designed as the beta for the actual Gotham for the sequel. And by the sheer size of it, it is going to be nothing short of Awesome. |
| 796 | |
| 797 | [[WMG: Harley in the third game.]] |
| 798 | We know she's gone over the edge. Even if it turns out she isn't pregnant one story might be she kidnaps a baby and has gone all MamaBear to the point she makes the likes of Croc and Grundy about as threatening as The Ventriloquist. |
| 799 | |
| 800 | [[WMG: Mister Freeze will die in the sequel]] |
| 801 | It will be a heroic sacrifice to stop whomever's plans. Over the course of the game he will be [[ReformedButRejected largely untrusted by the city]] [[PetTheDog but the Bat-family.]] [[KickTheDog Maybe Nora dies before this or wakes up shortly after.]] As long as we have [[TearJerker this quote]] [[WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond from his last appearance...]] |
| 802 | |
| 803 | -->'''Batman''': Freeze, you have to get out of here! The whole place is coming down! |
| 804 | -->'''Freeze''': Believe me... you're the only one who cares. |
| 805 | ---- |
| 806 | |
| 807 | [[WMG: Batman keeps beating up the same guys over and over.]] Arkham City is an isolated place and Batman doesn't kill any of the thugs, so it stands to reason that they only get knocked out temporarily and eventually come to, only to get their ass beat by Batman yet again when he comes by. |
| 808 | * Though, it doesn't explain how Batman could break the leg of one inmate, and then pass by again later to see the very same inmate [[FridgeLogic up walking around with no problems]]. |
| 809 | |
| 810 | [[WMG: If the third game has DLC, it will involve Professor Pyg.]] |
| 811 | This will be similar to Harley Quinn's revenge. You'll mainly play as someone other than Batman (maybe Nightwing?). Your player character [[AbandonedHospitalAwakening wakes up]] in a darkened room inside of an abandoned hospital, tied to Pyg's little [[BuffySpeak crucified operation thing]] (seriously, what would you call that?), which starts up an event where you press a button repeatedly to escape. Once you escape, you have to work your way through the AbandonedHospital to find your missing equipment. The game will play out in more of a [[UnexpectedGenreChange horror]] type deal, with an [[DarkerAndEdgier overall dark atmosphere]], a [[NothingIsScarier lack of anyone around]], most of the lights being burned out, and the fact that your radio isn't working. Occasionally, you'll be attacked by the [[BodyHorror Dollotrons]], who, unlike the regular enemies found in the main game, move more like puppets on a string, with jerky movements. Once you find your equipment, you can then revisit previous areas and use the equipment to reach previously inaccessible areas. It will all ultimately end with a faceoff against a whole slew of Pyg's Dollotrons, with Pyg himself watching from a vantage point above. Once you defeat them, your character notices that he escaped during the fight, and then your character leaves the building, vowing to find him again. As an added detail, other than Pyg and the Dollotrons, you'll notice that you are literally the only other person in the building. |
| 812 | |
| 813 | [[WMG: The third game will be Arkham World and very loosely based on the plot of ComicBook/FinalCrisis]] |
| 814 | This being almost the only SequelEscalation open to the devs and would allow them to make the whole planet a prison. It would also give a chance to introduce other DC characters (maybe even play a few of them) as a prelude to spin-off games. Sure, this sort of cosmic threat doesn't really fit into the Arkhamverse but I can dream... |
| 815 | [[WMG: The third game will have Riddler kill or attempt to kill Two-Face or Black Mask]] |
| 816 | "What's black and white and red all over? You." |
| 817 | |
| 818 | [[WMG: Scarebeast will be a boss in the third game]] |
| 819 | For those who do not know, scarebeast is a monster form of scarecrow. He was given these abilities by the villain known as "Fear". |
| 820 | |
| 821 | [[WMG:[[spoiler: The Joker's true identity is...]]]] |
| 822 | [[spoiler: Ra's al Ghul. We know both the Joker and Ra's try to get Batman to kill, and the two have oddly similar hair, at least in style, though Joker lacks the beard and obviously the colors are different. Ra's states that each time he enters the pit, he is terrified of what will come out. The two switch back and forth throughout the game, the Titan poisoning temporarily halted whenever 'Ra's' is visible. The Lazarus Pits do not permanently cure the Titan poisoning, as demonstrated by the Blood of the Demon failing to cure Batman, but they do delay it significantly. This is how the Joker survives so long despite the fact that the poisoning would have killed Batman much faster, were it not for the Blood of the Demon. This is why Talia is willing to offer Joker immortality, because while he may or may not realize it, he would really gain nothing. However, Ra's/Joker really is dead for good this time, as the body was taken and burned. This is also how Joker Immunity has worked in the past of the Arkhamverse, which is referenced when the inmates say he's died before.]] |
| 823 | |
| 824 | [[WMG: The League of Assassins will play a part in the next game.]] |
| 825 | Being masters of stealth, infiltration and having produced multiple standout examples of skilled fighters, it is probable and certainly possible that [[spoiler: the bodies of both Talia and Ra's will fall into the League's hands at some point, allowing for both to make a return]]. And ''Arkham City'' has shown the League has an established presence within Gotham already. Another possibility is the incorporation of Bane to the ranks of the League. Bane is a recurring member of the ''Arkham'' games and the pairing has been done both in comics and in the movie ''The Dark Knight Rises''. |
| 826 | |
| 827 | [[WMG: Harley did have a baby. She's just been tricked into thinking she didn't.]] |
| 828 | Harley was captured by some villain, who stole the baby for their own sinister purposes. Maybe to raise him as Anarky or something. They used some sort of MindRape technology (like Scarecrow's fear gas or Mad Hatter's hats) to make Harley believe she merely got a false positive. |
| 829 | |
| 830 | I don't really care how much sense this makes. I just think it was a bad idea for Rocksteady to throw out that plot element so easily. Seriously. It's got a lot of potential. |
| 831 | * It's an intriguing idea but how would the child play a part in anything other than having his existence change those involved with him as it did with Harley? The kid wasn't going to be posing a direct threat any time soon. But who knows. Maybe a distant Arkham game will show Harley's kid trading punches with Terry. |
| 832 | |
| 833 | [[WMG: The whole game was [[AllJustADream one prolonged exposure to Scarecrow's fear gas]].]] |
| 834 | |
| 835 | Maybe not a new theory but I haven't seen it here before. Maybe I'm just getting the benefit of being late to the party, having missed this game in a deluge of games that came out around that time so I am only playing it a few months before '''Origins''' drops; so I knew the story going in via spoilers from friends...but the more I look at it, the more I think the whole game happens in Bruce's mind, and it's a bad trip on Fear Gas. |
| 836 | |
| 837 | * ''"So how do you keep a secret from the World's Greatest Detective? Well, do you know? It's easy. You stick it right in front of him, right under his long, pointy nose and wait."'' |
| 838 | ** Who is the only villain who doesn't explicitly factor into Arkham City at all? The major players are there; Joker, Riddler, Two-Face, Calyface, Ra's Al Ghul, Penguin, Killer Croc, Mr. Freeze, Bane, Poison Ivy and Catwoman (HeelFaceRevolvingDoor notwithstanding in her case). Several minor villains and supporting characters show up or are mentioned as well; Deadshot, Calendar Man, Hugo Strange (A major player here, but ultimately a footnote in Batman's overall history), Azrael, Jim Gordon, Barbara Gordon, Harley Quinn, Vicky Vale, Alfred, Robin, The Mad Hatter, Hush and even Maxie Freakin Zeus all make appearances! How is it the '''only''' villain who doesn't blatantly show up is Scarecrow? The kind of guy who would be having a field day in a place like Arkham City? And how come the mentions to Scarecrow are only in "Easter Eggs"? The boat that you have to find on your own...his mask just floating on the roof of a random building...random canisters of Fear Gas floating around the city. Bruce is under a severe dose of the Fear Gas while he's being hypnotized, interrogated or tortured, and his subconscious is trying to tell him it's Scarecrow, since Crane is manipulating him and not letting him know. |
| 839 | ** Two different overheard conversations between the inmates reference Scarecrow. |
| 840 | *** "How come Scarecrow isn't in here, all the other wierdos are?" |
| 841 | *** '''"I haven't seen Scarecrow, maybe this place is one of his freaky nightmares."''' |
| 842 | * '''Batman's Fears''' |
| 843 | ** What's Bruce's greatest fear? '''Failing Gotham City''', he let a madman wall off some 40 blocks of it and turn it into a HellholePrison that gets blown up wantonly by helicopters. |
| 844 | ** Another of Bruce's fears? Failing those he loves, like [[DependingOnTheWriter Talia]]. Letting her die would be a huge fear of his. |
| 845 | ** Being poisoned and slowly dying? Who wouldn't be afraid of that? |
| 846 | ** How come the church bell tower doesn't blow up until he makes a dramatic exit? Because it shouldn't in the context of his delusional hallucination. |
| 847 | ** In the span of one night, Batman has to face all of his worst enemies in a nightmare scenario? They all just happen to be there, all happen to be running schemes he urgently needs to stop one after another? Talk about, when it rains, it pours. Another of Bruce Wayne's worst fears come to manifest. |
| 848 | ** Why in an environment clearly set in the current timeline based on the technology available (Cell Phones, computers and the like, so post 21st century) would Hugo Strange just happen to leave a taunting message in Crime Alley on reel-to-reel tape? And how the hell did Batman listen to it? How did that tape manage to survive being in a warzone during a harsh winter storm? (Even if you find the tape before Protocol 10, it's been in Arkham City for who knows how long, int he middle of a multi super-criminal gang war, and gone undisturbed?) |
| 849 | ** Why would the chalk outlines of Bruce's parents still be on the ground 25+ years later? Unless it's part of his dream. Revisiting the defining moment of his life would be in the purview of the effects of Fear Gas. |
| 850 | ** The Joker's Death might not be a fear so much as it is an exploration of a psychological status. It may also be a reflection of the fact that Batman fears his own desire to kill the Joker himself. |
| 851 | ** Joker being offered the chance to become the heir to Ra's Al Ghul would be a '''huge''' fear, even in thought. Ra's would never make such an offer, he knows the Joker is insane and would not continue his mission. But in a fear toxin-addled state, Batman's "worst case scenario" consciousness could easily concoct such a scenario. |
| 852 | ** Batman is almost entirely alone against all of his greatest enemies while locked up in a hellish prison of his own city? Seriously, he never thought to call Robin, Nightwing, Huntress or the Justice League for help? None of them came to play TheCavalry independently? |
| 853 | ** Perhaps Catwoman is one of the people trying to free Bruce from Crane's control, which is why she appears as an ally in his hallucination. |
| 854 | ** Scarecrow thugs only show up at one specific point: During Protocol 10. While one of Bruce's greatest fears is coming true, the destruction of Gotham City, the one guy who's underlings are noticeably present are those of Dr. Crane, when they haven't been there the whole time? |
| 855 | ** The only birds visible around Arkham City at all, are crows. Given the level of detail that Rocksteady put into this game this is not likely an oversight. True, maybe they didn't have time to make a bunch of different bird models, but then why include them at all? |
| 856 | ** There are three hidden messages on undocumented radio frequencies. While not getting into the specifics of decoding them, they are as follows: |
| 857 | *** "You will pay for what you have done to me." |
| 858 | *** "I will return Batman." |
| 859 | *** "'''Fear''' will tear Gotham City to shreds." |
| 860 | ** These messages, again deeply hidden, can only come from Scarecrow. In fact the cypher for decoding the last one is the word "SCARECROW". |
| 861 | * Utterly Tossed. ''Harley Quinn's Revenge'' and ''Arkham Knight'' both take place after ''Arkham City'' and directly reference its events. The references to the Scarecrow are simply a SequelHook for ''Arkham Knight''. |
| 862 | |
| 863 | |
| 864 | [[WMG: A future ''Arkham'' title will be set in ''Batman Beyond'']] |
| 865 | Based on ''Batman Beyond'' being one of the New 52 universes, there's a lot of potential for Terry [=McGinnis=] to appear more in the spotlight again, though with Damien being his mentor and the equivalent of Barbara/Alfred in this game, with Bruce Wayne being officially retired and no longer active, though he would of course inevitably become involved in the story. It would/could take place underground, slightly inhibiting the Beyond suit's flight capabilities while still allowing for great mobility like in previous games. Talia (and possibly Ra's) reappears, having been resurrected via Lazarus Pit, but is corrupted to an extent because Clayface fell into the pit as well, resulting in Talia not only being driven insane but also having Clayface's powers and possibly multiple personalities after merging with Karlo (and maybe Ra's as well). All of the key ''Beyond'' villains would appear, with Blight being the driving force behind it all as his steadily growing radiation is causing Gotham to rot at its roots, threatening the entire city. |
| 866 | |
| 867 | In addition to the basic Batman weaponry from previous games, Terry will also have enhanced strength thanks to the suit, allowing him to move obstacles and perform feats that Bruce wasn't able to in previous games, though this means that he would have to be put up against tougher enemies, relatively speaking, or ones that are fast enough to dodge his most powerful strikes. He would also have the active camouflage from the series, limited by only being available for use at short intervals and some enemies having specialized equipment to detect him. |
| 868 | |
| 869 | [[WMG: The origin story Joker tells Strange is the truth in this universe.]] |
| 870 | Think about it. Considering [[MultipleChoicePast how many times he's changed it]], having him tell the true story to the one guy who wouldn't believe it would be the greatest joke of all. |
| 871 | |
| 872 | [[WMG: [[spoiler:Batman goaded Joker into attacking him so he'd drop the vial containing the cure.]]]] |
| 873 | It's an obvious BatmanGambit, playing on the Joker's [[spoiler:abject terror of his slow death]] and his general preference for violent solutions. Batman [[spoiler:may not be willing to kill, but why not let the Joker's own evil be his undoing]]? It makes the last joke the Joker hears all the more funny. |
| 874 | |
| 875 | [[WMG: The only reason Titan was so dangerous was because everyone (in the games) who has administered the drug into themselves is an idiot.]] |
| 876 | Think about this - every time someone has been mutated by Titan, it's either been from someone who has been entirely insane (Joker), someone who is needlessly cruel (Penguin), an addict of the drug or a similar equivalent (Bane, and even then it wasn't voluntary) or by someone who doesn't care about who they use it on (Joker and Penguin). Joker and Penguin have no medical background on how to use drugs (Bane would, but only due to being significantly smarter in comparison before his mind was weakened in Origins and his history of use with Venom), so they'd naturally use too much of it on their goons or themselves. |
| 877 | |
| 878 | In comparison, Two-Face carefully stock-piled the drugs, probably to have it tested before use while his two henchmen Terry and Tracy Trask who betrayed him and juiced up were shown tying up their arm to close a vein, using needles (fresh or clean) to administer it and pumping iron - they didn't just think that the drug would make them powerhouses. Also, note how different their Titan-induced states were compared to other characters - they were clearly sane, they could speak to other people just fine, but they didn't have any typical deformities such as tumors, deformed limbs or bone spikes protruding from the skin. Like any other drug, it just takes careful use for Titan to work, not a fuckload of it! |
| 879 | |
| 880 | [[WMG: Arkham City is the first of the Sanctuary districts from the historical background of ''Franchise/StarTrek'']] |
| 881 | Why not? |
| 882 | |
| 883 | [[WMG: Bane is canonically the one who ends up with the TITAN crate at the end of ''Asylum'']] |
| 884 | Well, he does have an obsession with geting TITAN for his own use in this game. Killer Croc here looked like he did in ''Asylum'' in this game [[spoiler: and there's no real signs that his mutated appeared in the hallucination at the end of ''Arkham Knight'' is anything other than that--a hallucination]], and Scarecrow doesn't use the stuff at all in ''Arkham Knight''. |
| 885 | * Original poster here: [[spoiler: the images and teases for ''Knight''[='=]s "Season of Infamy" DLC confirmed that is indeed Croc's actual appearance, though the plot also reveals that it's just a further mutation.]] |
| 886 | |
| 887 | |
| 888 | [[WMG: The TITAN that reached Arkham City was an earlier, imperfect version.]] |
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