Line #34 WMG/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder


1	[[WMG:Crazy Steve will be the villain to some version of Batman.]]
2	Why? Because it would be halfway decent use of such an awful work!
3	* Brave and the Bold Batman would be a good good batman.
4	* Or perhaps the Adam West 60s Batman.
5	* maybe they'll make a movie that is one big TakeThat to Creator/FrankMiller with Crazy Steve as a fugitive from Arkham who got amnesia after using a Batman Halloween costume as pajamas
6	* [[CompositeCharacter And if it becomes a series, he would evolve to become]] [[ComicBook/HolyTerror The Fixer]].
7	* Someone in DC must have read this page... [[ComicBook/DarkNightsMetal The Dark Knights of Barbatos]] are Practically 7 Crazy Steves, each amplified with one of Justice League's power. And it's not just decent - it's awesome.
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9	[[WMG: This story, perhaps the whole universe of Frank Miller's Batman, takes place in the Dark Multiverse.]]
10	According to Dark Nights: Metal, there's an infinite multiverse of all the fears of the main multiverse's peoples. What caused the creation of ASBAR Batman? Simple: according to Grant Morrison, Batman has experimented with drugs. All the drugs. Weapons grade heroin being one of the more infamous examples. ASBAR Batman is what happens when a main universe Batman decided he needed to find out what would happen to him if he took a powerful dose of Scarecrow's Fear Toxin, Joker's Joker toxin, Bane's Venom, Poison Ivy's mind control spores, Lazarus Pit juice, cocaine, acid, methamphetamine, spice and bath salts all at the same time. The resulting absolute mindfuck of a bad trip made him hallucinate the personality of Crazy Steve, and since then it's been one of his greatest fears, causing the Dark Multiverse to spit out this abomination. Even Barbatos and The Batman-Who-Laughs won't touch Crazy Steve, because they don't trust him to follow orders or not just destroy absolutely everything. Bonus WMG: Holy Terror is the result of another version of Batman trying this same experiment... while watching War on Terror footage on an endless multiscreen loop A Clockwork Orange style.
11	* Rather than drugs, it could be based off Batman's fear that he really is crazy or that [[{{Manchild}} he never grew up]], similar to how the Dawnbreaker is based off his fear that he's too obsessed by his parents being killed. [[AxCrazy Hence]] [[PsychopathicManchild Crazy Steve]].
12	* Considering the Dark Multiverse is unstable and worlds fade to decay after a period of time, that certainly explains why the last two issues never happened.
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14	[[WMG:Crazy Steve is [[WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond Mad Stan's dad]].]]
15	What? You know it makes sense!
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17	[[WMG:Creator/FrankMiller has lost his feeble mind.]]
18	Self explanatory.
19	* To be fair, this is ''supposed'' to be WildMassGuessing. That's just obvious.
20	* Holy Terror pretty much confirms this, though those Robocop 2 & 3 comics make one wonder if it's been gone for longer than suspected.
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22	[[WMG:Creator/FrankMiller is writing one StealthParody after the other.]]
23	He was so disgusted by the [[MediaNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks Dark Age]] turning into an AudienceAlienatingEra that, somewhere along the line, probably when he was writing the Dark Knight Strikes Again, he decided to relentlessly parody the worst aspects of modern comics, while never letting on that he's writing parodies just to see how seriously people take it.
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26	[[WMG:Eventually all comics will be like All-Star Batman and Robin and The Dark Knight Strikes Again.]]
27	Okay lets see if I can explain this, When Frank Miller wrote The Dark Knight Returns comics were in the Bronze Age, they were realistic and sometimes dark, but there was still parts that were light hearted and silly (Wolverine teaming up with a leprecon anyone) so Frank Miller decided to do something different and take the dark realistic parts and turn them up to eleven, that gave us TDKR, unfortunately that was released around the same time as comic books that were equally dark and edgy, Watchmen, The Killing Joke, Batman: Year One, etc, and so people started copying them until we got to the Dark Age of Comics where that point of extreme has become the normal tone for almost all comics, then Frank Miller got hired to kick off All-Star Dc Comics, which was suppose to be basically DC's answer to Ultimate Marvel, so Frank Miller did what he did with Batman: Year One, he took the dark and edginess of modern comics and turned it up to eleven, which brought the dark and realistic feel all the way around back to silly and absurd, the result was The Dark Knight Strikes Again, and All-Star Batman and Robin. So if comics keep trying to get darker and edgier than Eventually comics will be like All-Star Batman and Robin, and The Dark Knight Strikes Again.
28	* Creator/GrantMorrison was hired to do All Star Superman first and you don't get less ASSBAR than that.
29	* Maybe most Superhero comics but not every creator in the medium cares about what Marvel and DC are doing.
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31	[[WMG:Superman has NoFourthWall.]]
32	He knows exactly the kind of work he's in and refuses to demean himself by taking it seriously. Instead he just does things like grab a car and walk it across the ocean just for the hell of it.
33	* OMG, it makes total sense! [[Characters/SupermanTheCharacter Superman]] [[MediumAwareness fooling around "on set" while being "in character" because he knows just how bad the comic (read:movie) he's in is]].
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35	[[WMG:Batman is syphilitic.]]
36	According to WordOfGod, ASBAR is part of the same continuity as Year One and The Dark Knight Returns. Year One was, at the time it was published and until somewhat recently, batman's canonical origin. So somewhere along the timeline, the Dark Knight Universe split off from the normal Universe. Between Year One and All Star Batman and Robin, clearly, [[UnfortunateImplications Batman hooked up with Catwoman and caught something]].
37	* Didn't he say himself that their first time happened down in the sewers?
38	* Maybe Frank Miller is syphilitic?
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40	[[WMG:Batman and the Joker are OutOfCharacter because they've switched personalities.]]
41	This would explain SO much.
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43	[[WMG:Frank Miller is trying to make a ShoutOut to the [[MediaNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfComicBooks Golden Age]], but has failed miserably.]]
44	This primordial, psychotic version of Batman seems to hearken back to the days when he actually killed people (and showed little remorse for doing so), and the grim, scowling Joker is just how Miller chooses to reference the character's original debut, in which he had absolutely no sense of humor whatsoever. It's heavy-handed, true, and it may just seem to be a decidedly lame re-hash of ''Sin'' ''City'', but this can be chalked down to Miller's [[CreatorBreakdown long, slow decay as a talented writer]].
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46	[[WMG: Frank Miller is intentionally trying to make it SoBadItsGood.]]
47	Frank did say it wasn't a parody.Plus its a FountainOfMemes for the goddamn Batman. Frank was aware he'd suffered a CreatorBreakdown,so he decided to do the best he could: create a Narm filled comic that we can't help but laugh at how stupid it is.
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49	[[WMG: ComicBook/TheJoker wrote All-Star Batman and Robin.]]
50	Somehow,the Joker [[TheFourthWallWillNotProtectYou burst out of the comics and slit Frank's throat.]]He's been masquerading as Frank for years,and wrote All-Star Batman and Robin ForTheEvulz.
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52	[[WMG: This was actually a really great story in Frank Miller's head.]]
53	It's actually a really awesome story in the vein of Batman: Year One, but unfortunately Frank Miller is under a devestating curse that causes him to write words that have nothing to do with the story in his head. The curse makes it so that the story is still coherent enough for poor unfortunate artists to work with but is actually really really awful, and he doesn't even notice because the same curse causes him to reread his work as what he meant to write. A similar system is in place for when he draws his own work, as in The Dark Knight Strikes Again. Jeph Loeb is under the same curse. How and why? Because Dan Didio has in it for the character of Jimmy Gordon Jr. and made a deal with the devil to make sure that Loeb and Miller couldn't continue to develop the relationship (both of them focused on the relationship between Jim and his infant son).
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55	Which means that Creator/ChristopherNolan had better watch his back ...
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57	* This theory is somewhat uhh... confirmed? by Dan Didio leaving coinciding with Gordon Jr. getting massive CharacterDevelopment and focus [[spoiler: and getting to wear the Beyond suit]] in The Batman-Who-Laughs.
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59	[[WMG:All-Star Batman is the StartOfDarkness for DKSA's Dick Grayson.]]
60	WordOfGod is these are the same characters that later appear in ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns and ComicBook/TheDarkKnightStrikesAgain. In those stories, Dick Grayson was [[spoiler: a murderous, sexually ambiguous MonsterClown who was convinced Batman was molesting his sidekick]]. It's never explained how this could have happened to one of DC's oldest and most successful heroes. On the other hand, this is a Dick Grayson who was abducted from the site of his parents' murder by a psychotic cop murderer who was already stalking him even before he was orphaned, and who locks him a cave and forces him to eat rats to survive. Any child with trauma like that isn't going to grow up to be Nightwing.
61	* Additionally, in the mainstream DC universe, Dick Grayson's parents were not shot. They were killed due to sabotaged equipment as part of a protection racket. It's likely, his parents imparted to him the dangers of their chosen profession and possibility of mistakes and equipment failure being fatal. Therefore, the mainstream Dick was somewhat prepared for his parents dying in such a manner and is why he's adjusted better than ASBAR Dick and any incarnation of Batman who witnessed their parents being shot.
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63	[[WMG: Batman Was Abused By His Mom]]
64	Bear in mind, most of my knowledge of ASBAR comes from [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara's]] eloquent dissertations on the subject; but when the line ''"I touched my mother's breast. It bled on me."'' came up, and Linkara pointed out the [[UnfortunateImplications incestuous implications]] of the wording, it occurred to me: this explains everything.
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66	This universe's Martha Wayne sexually abused her son, causing severe psychological damage and impaired/skewed concepts regarding love, sex, and appropriate/inappropriate behavior that ultimately resulted in him kidnapping and terrorizing a vulnerable, underage boy and initially trying to force him to live off of rats in a cave, against his will, for no other given reason than "Because ''I'' did it." Bruce is genuinely messed up.
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68	[[WMG: Crazy Steve is actually...]]
69	* A time traveling Jason Todd in one of his crazier depictions. It's all part of his plan to discredit Batman and screw with Dick's mind
70	* A depowered Superboy Prime: Certainly crazy enough.
71	* A clone: All a plot by Lex Luthor to replace all the superheroes with idiotic caricatures. He also switched Superman, Wonderwoman, and Green Lantern.
72	* Larry, from Weird Al's "I Remember Larry". [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]] was close when he speculated that this Batman was a hobo named "Crazy Steve" who had stolen Batman's costume, but not quite on the mark. He is in fact Larry, that ''lovably'' insuffrable prankster from the Weird Al Yankovic song "I Remember Larry", and the song is sung from the perspective of various figures from the comic, such as Tim Drake and Commissioner Gordon. And I quote:
73	-->You know I couldn't help but laugh,\
74	Even though he treated me like slime!\
75	Remember when he cut my car in half?\
76	''[[SlasherSmile Well he really got me good that time!]]''
77	* Joker. After an inexplicable BodySwap between him and Batman, they take the opportunity to just parody each other in the most deliberate, stupidest ways possible.
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80	[[WMG: Dick Grayson's parents were murdered by the Goddamn Batman]]
81	The first issue makes it clear Bruce Wayne was already watching Dick and considering him for sidekick material. Back then, though, Dick Grayson ''wasn't'' sidekick material - he wasn't an orphan. If Batman didn't know Dick Grayson was going to lose his family, this would have been incredibly premature. The only way Batman planning to recruit Dick makes sense is if he was willing to assure the 12-year-old became an orphan. At best, Wayne knew Graysons were going to be shot and did nothing to prevent it. At worst, he hired the hit-man himself.
82	* This version of Batman is established early on as a killer, crashing through police cars without any thought to assuring the survival of the drivers. He also views what he's doing as a war - and in a war, innocent casualties are inevitable.
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84	[[WMG: Crazy Steve is [[WebVideo/BumReviews Chester A. Bum]].]]
85	After seeing the Dark Knight Chester was awestruck and felt a newfound obligation towards his social responsibilities. Unfortunately, after years of drug abuse he had no concept of how to apply his new found philosophy other than direct imitation. Contacting the Future Nostalgia Critic, he travelled into the Millerverse and bulked up by stealing a massive batch of venom from Bane and offered his help to Batman, but upon being declined, he beat him to a pulp and usurped the mantle of the Dark Knight. The Joker in ASBAR is in fact Batman in disguise, which explains why we have a poorly shaven, manic Batman who talks in slang and a brooding, humourless Joker (all his crimes in the series are simply faked to lure Chester into a trap). Chester/Steve will finally realise what a horrible person he's become and attempt to commit suicide using Joker toxin. Unfortunately this doesn't go as planned and instead it pastes a permanent evil grin on his face, shatters his already marginal sanity and turns him into Ask That Guy with The Glasses. At some point in-between The Dark Knight Returns and The Dark Knight Strikes again he once again usurps Batman, accounting for both the sudden creepy undertones with Carry Kelly as well as why the Batman we see in Year one and TDKR are consistent with each other but don't match the one we see in ASBAR and TDKSA.
86	* [[MemeticMutation Oh my God, this is the greatest WMG I've ever seen in my life!]]
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88	[[WMG: Frank Millar is trolling the fans.]]
89	Contrary to supposedly going insane, Frank is still capable of writing great Batman stories. Why doesn't he? Because he's a troll! At some point, he discovered the Internet(and 4chan), and decided to mess with people ForTheLulz. The whole series is made purposefully to evoke SoBadItsGood NarmCharm and [[MemeticMutation memes.]] Why? Because Frank's the Goddammned Millar Man, that's why! One day, he will have a crossover with [[EnsembleDarkhorse Snowflame who knows no pain]], in order to deal with the ultimate evil: [[ComicBook/AmazonsAttack a deadly bee weapon!]] Bees, my God...
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91	[[WMG: The Reason for the delays is that Jim Lee keeps trying to get away]]
92	Reading the exploits of Crazy Steve is taxing enough for any sane human being. Just imagine what it must be like for poor Jim Lee having to not only bring Frank's luancy into glorious, twisted two dimensional life but also put up with his horrific author's notes as well. Jim tried to escape several times during the comic production but was promptly recaptured by DC and forced to continue illustrating. He finally managed to escape to a small shack in Antartica where he sleeps on a bed of dried Elephant Seal feces and lives on a diet of nothing but snow, moss, fish heads and Penguin colons. And he still preffers it to Frank. Unable to find him, DC was forced to cancel the series and have delayed Dark Knight: Boy Wonder until they track Jim down. Pray the never do.
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94	[[WMG: All Star Batman and Robin will get an AnimatedAdaptation]]
95	Come on, somebody had to say it.
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97	[[WMG: No one ever said no to Frank Miller]]
98	When Frank was called on to write ASBAR, there was no other creative input apart from Frank in the story process. Either the editors at DC (Unknowns, all the way through, or at least I'd never heard of them) were too scared to tell him no, or there was this tacit assumption at DC that Frank Miller could do no wrong. The hand of the editor was at best hesitant and at worst nonexistent. In his earlier works (Especially Year One),Frank's talent was honed and focused by a team. The team focused him and provided ideas that he incorporated into the book (like Carrie Kelly as Robin). Here, the team was Frank, and even at the top of his game, Frank isn't a guy you want delivering a story entirely on his own, without feedback. He starts oddly, and gets more erratic from there. I'd even go so far as to suggest the delays were all him.
99	* DC said "no", an ''emphatic'' "NO!" to ''Holy Terror'', though Miller's angel at DC was no longer there when they turned it down.
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102	[[WMG: Dark Knight:Boy Wonder will actually get released by the end of the decade]]
103	However, it will be titled THE GODDAMNED BATMAN, it will be the highest selling comic of all time, and will be a full on parody of the Dark Age of comics. Creator/RobLiefeld will draw it, and it will SOMEHOW be glorious.
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106	[[WMG:The entire series is Batman suffering from a Scarecrow-induced hallucination]]
107	Remember ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamAsylum'', where the third Scarecrow vision had Batman being hauled into Arkham, representing the fear that he actually was insane? ''Yeah''.
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110	[[WMG:The Joker drove Batman crazy in the events leading up to this comic.]]
111	It's simple. A few years before the comic starts, Batman entered into a confrontation with the Joker. Unlike in the standard continuity, in THIS story, Batman killed someone. Doesn't matter who, doesn't matter how. His one rule shattered, the Dark Knight became what he always feared he'd be; just another psychopath in a costume running rampant in the streets of Gotham. Slowly but surely, his personality began to unravel. First he lost his compulsion to avoid killing, then his disinterest in external validation and sexual gratification, and finally he lost all moral bearing whatsoever. Word spread of the new brutal Batman, inspiring other people with similar capacity for wanton violence to hurt people to get what they wanted, or just because they could (see Black Canary). Wonder Woman caught wind of his reputation as well, and since Batman is supposed to be the ultimate representation of the capabilities of mankind as THE BadassNormal superhero, she decided that his behavior was representative of men as a gender and became deeply misandrist. Batman's insanity has driven a rift between him and Alfred, but Alfred couldn't bear to abandon him, having raised Bruce as a son. Finally, the Joker, disillusioned with how easily corrupted Batman had been in the end, entered a depressed funk, as he's been known to do when Batman ceases to exist.
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113	[[WMG: The comic is actually a story written by a teenage boy in his journal during detention at school.]]
114	For simplicity's sake I'll call the kid Barney.
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116	The idea goes that Barney is a teenager living in Gotham City. He's got a lot of issues like absent parents, repressed sexual frustrations, doubts about his masculinity, violent impulses, self gratification, and just being a jackass. The highlight of his life is when he gets saved by Batman from a mugger. Afterwards Barney gets detention at school, perhaps at ''ComicBook/GothamAcademy'', after he beats up a kid who was saying he thinks Green Lantern is the coolest member of the Justice League. In his journal, Barney scribbles down a story where everything he wants gets mixed in with what he actually thinks Batman is like. This results in his violent and crazy tendencies, as well as his speech patterns, to be put into Batman. Robin is a reflection of how Barney sees himself as a victim who Batman wants to turn into a hero. He once saw a picture of Vicki Vale in the paper or something and got a massive hard-on for her, so he writes her as his heavily sexed up dream girl. He also has a lust for Black Canary, but he knows zilch about her and writes the Irish barmaid thing because his mother is Irish-American and works at a bar (which means he probably has a strange desire for his Mum that he doesn't realize he has). He portrays Superman and Hal Jordan as idiots because he's a Batman fanboy and doesn't want the others to be competent. Wonder Woman? Barney's a huge misogynist because real girls think he's a creep. All the wanton murder is how he wishes he could deal with classmates who dislike him. The casual insults towards homosexuals is because his dad is homophobic and rants drunk about "Queers" when he's actually home. The Joker is Barney's "dark side" and represents the villain he could become if nobody helps him, but he doesn't recognize this himself. Bruno is there because he thought another nearly naked woman would be hot. Batgirl isn't his twisted, "sexy" version of her because Barney, for all his faults, actually respects her since she works with Batman. The messed up time scale is because he could only write so much during each time he had detention. Since he was extremely angry every time he went, he didn't exactly has logic on his mind regarding that issue. The reason the story abruptly ends is because a concerned classmate finds his journal and shows it to a teacher, which leads to Barney having to undergo some therapy. If ASBAR someday does get a follow up, that'll mean that Barney has run away into the city to wreak havoc.
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118	[[WMG: ASBAR is ComicBook/BatMite's attempt at creating a dark and gritty Batman story.]]
119	After he watched Film/BatmanBegins, Batmite got the idea of making the DarkerAndEdgier Batman story the people have always wanted. The sad thing is, he had good ideas yet couldn't find a way to execute them properly. So after looking through an LongList of famous Batman writers (like Bruce Timm, Alan Moore, Neal Adams, etc) he hired Creator/FrankMiller who made him [[{{Flanderization}} flanderize]] everyone and stick random DC superheroes in it (like Plastic Man of all people) until Batmite finally got sick of it and handed the project to Frank.
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121	The last thing he did before leaving was giving Frank a sticky note saying "THIS IS NOT THE [[MemeticMutation GODDAMN BATMAN]]!!!"
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123	[[WMG: ASBAR is actually the story of how [[MirrorUniverse Owlman]] adopted [[http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Talon_(Earth-3) Talon]].]]
124	Replace everything with Earth-3 counterparts and everything starts making sense and people begin acting [[CharacterRerailment in-character]].
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126	[[WMG: Issue 11 would've featured the real Batman]]
127	Specifically, it would've been revealed that Crazy Steve ''did'' in fact, impersonate Bruce Wayne - he won the lottery and paid for plastic surgery to have his face changed into Bruce Wayne's. Issue 11 would've seen the real Batman return and claim his throne.
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129	[[WMG: Dick Grayson's Middle Name is Aigtwelv.]]
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131	[[WMG: The story takes place on OppositeDay]]
132	* Think about it: Batman is a cackling, bloodthirsty lunatic who gets into childish arguments with Dick Grayson, Age 12, and expresses an incestuous desire for his mother. The Joker is a grimacing, humorless hitman who hangs out with Nazis and waxes poetic about love and the city. Superman and Green Lantern are complete morons, Plastic Man contributes nothing to the story, and Wonder Woman is a grumpy misandrist. The reason for these radical changes to the established characters? OppositeDay is an actual holiday in the DC Universe, considered the most important holiday of the year, so heroes and villains alike come together to celebrate it by pulling a [[Series/{{Seinfeld}} George Costanza]] and consciously doing the exact opposite of what they would normally do. DarkerAndEdgier plot or heartwarming holiday special? You make the call!
133	[[WMG:Crazy Steve is the goddamn Batman from Teen Titans Go!.]]
134	The nonheroic antics of the team can perfectly be explained by their leader being trained by crazy Steve.

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