Line #83 UsefulNotes/Pandeism


1	->''"The fact that we exist is proof that God is motivated to act in some way. And since only the challenge of self-destruction could interest an omnipotent God, it stands to reason that we... are God's debris."''
2	-->-- '''Creator/{{Scott Adams\|Cartoonist}}''', ''Literature/GodsDebris''
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4	Pandeism is a theological theory which proposes that a creator (not necessarily a 'god') created our physical Universe by ''becoming'' [[PiecesOfGod the Universe]]. This creator currently exists as an unconscious or otherwise nonintervening (unable to intervene) Energy sustaining all motion in the Universe. Various explanations have been introduced as to why this happened, mostly revolving around the creator needing to learn something through the human experience, or perhaps [[GodIsDead wishing to experience nonexistence itself]]. The latter is the device used in Creator/{{Scott Adams\|Cartoonist}}' book ''Literature/GodsDebris''. Variations also speculate as to our purpose, and whether the creator will ever go back to being what it was before, and whether we will have a part in that.
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6	This position is arrived at through the combination of UsefulNotes/{{Deism}} (the archetype for HaveYouSeenMyGod) and UsefulNotes/{{Pantheism}} (the same for PiecesOfGod).
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14	* ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'': [[spoiler: Madoka erases herself from existence in order to become an eternal embodiment of hope for the universe. She still appears to be conscious, however.]]
15	* ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' exposes this when it's revealed that [[HumansAreCthulhu humans are Angels]] who made themselves dominate the Earth, and driving all others deep underground. By extent, all humans are made of the same elements ([[AppliedPhlebotinum LCL]]) separated by their drive to be unique with the power of [[SentientCosmicForce AT Fields]]. The reason everyone seems normal is because [[PlatonicCave they themselves define what's normal]], unlike [[EldritchAbomination Angels]]. Children, preferably before adulthood, are the most likely to harness AT fields because [[ChildrenAreInnocent they don't know what reality is yet]].
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21	* ''ComicBook/{{Lucifer}}'' ends with [[spoiler: Elaine Belloc, the new omnipotent God]], choosing to do this, because having seen how the old way of doing things has gone wrong, and recognising that an omnipotent being should not [[ProtagonistCentredMorality be personally doing favours for individual people they personally care about at the expense of others]], the best way to avoid this is to merge with the universe rather than sit on high and rule it in a top-down way.
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27	* ''Film/TheFountain'' somewhat inaccurately characterizes {{Mayincatec}} mythology as "First Father sacrificed himself for the Tree of Life," and so in essence became the world.
28	* [[http://everything2.com/title/Pandeism+and+the+world+of+Star+Wars Some Pandeists will contend that Pandeism is what's going on in Star Wars]] -- the source of the Force and such.
29	* ''Film/OhGod'' has George Burns as God giving some surprisingly pandeistic answers to questions from religions leaders. "The divine truth is not a building or a book or a story. The heart is the temple, where all truth resides".... "Jesus was my son, Buddha was my son, Mohammad, Moses, you, the man who said there was no room at the inn was my son. And so is the one who charges $11.00 for a steak in this one".... "Everything around them that they can see and smell and feel and hear they should delight in all this. That what is here are some of my very best ideas. And I want everyone to try very hard to make sure that it doesn't all go down the drain." Naturally, it might be pointed out that the God of the film appears as a separate and intervening entity, but Pandeism would simply explain God's appearance (which is in point of fact mundane and lacking in any especially mind-blowing miracles) as a projection of man -- as part of our Creator -- unwittingly reminding himself of some important underlying truths.
30	* The film version of ''Manga/{{AKIRA}}'' has Tetsuo, in the end becoming a new Big Bang and being reborn as a new Universe.
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36	* Creator/{{Scott Adams\|Cartoonist}}' ''Literature/GodsDebris'' uses this trope and posits that the creator is wishing to experience nonexistence itself.
37	* ''The Survivors'', a 1976 novel by Simon Raven, features a character with this belief. One character observes, "God became the universe. Therefore the universe is God." while the other counters "In becoming the universe God abdicated. He destroyed himself as God. He turned what he had been, his true self, into nullity and thereby forfeited the Godlike qualities which pertained to him. The universe which he has become is also his grave. He has no control in it or over it. God, as God, is dead."
38	* Critic Dan Schneider suggests this theory to be the one at work in Creator/RobertAHeinlein's ''Literature/StrangerInAStrangeLand'', as the basis of Valentine Michael Smith's created religion.
39	* One of Lazarus Long's aphorisms from Heinlein's ''Literature/TimeEnoughForLove'': "God split himself into a myriad parts that he might have friends. This may not be true, but it sounds good, and is no sillier than any other theology."
40	* This is how universes are created in Creator/AlanDeanFoster's ''Literature/GloryLane''. A god-like being commits suicide which creates another universe with another godlike being made of dark matter who commits suicide again, creating another universe and another god-like dark matter being and so-on ad infinitum.
41	* The Creator/JackKerouac novel ''Desolation Angels'' comments about how we are bits of a Universe which decided to become us and then forget it had become us: "And you have been forever, and will be forever, and all the worrisome smashings of your foot on innocent cupboard doors it was only the Void pretending to be a man pretending not to know the Void...."
42	* Creator/AlfredLordTennyson personally identified as a Pandeist, and this theological underpinning influenced much of his nature poetry.
43	* Poet Ferndano Pessoa has been identified by literary critics as a Pandeist as well.
44	* Creator/JorgeLuisBorges hints this way in "Literature/TlonUqbarOrbisTertius", and moreso in "Otras inquisiciones" (1952): "El tiempo es la sustancia de que estoy hecho. El tiempo es un río que me arrebata, pero yo soy el río; es un tigre que me destroza, pero yo soy el tigre; es un fuego que me consume, pero yo soy el fuego. El 'mundo, desgraciadamente, es real; yo, desgraciadamente, soy Borges." ("Time is the substance from which I am made. Time is a river which carries me along, but I am the river; it is a tiger that devours me, but I am the tiger; it is a fire that consumes me, but I am the fire. The 'world, unfortunately, is real, I, unfortunately, am Borges.") Borges wrote sympathetically of Philipp Mainländer: "Like me, he was an impassioned reader of Schopenhauer, under whose influence (and perhaps under the influence of the Gnostics) he imagined that we are fragments of a God who destroyed Himself at the beginning of time, because He did not wish to exist. Universal history is the obscure agony of those fragments."
45	* One of the characters in William Peter Blatty's ''Legion'' suggests an interesting twist on this idea: the Universe did not arise from God tearing Himself apart, but of another entity created by God -- who tore himself apart of his own free will, out of a desire to experience space and time and to explore physical existence. Every sentient being is a piece of this entity, attempting to learn more about himself and his relation to the Infinite; human good and evil is a manifestation of the good and evil that lay within the entity. [[spoiler:The character comes up with a name for this entity: Lucifer, who was both the fallen angel and the Bringer of Light.]]
46	* Religious writer Neale Donald Walsch espouses a pandeistic understanding of our Universe, and of man being the experience of God.
47	* Many books along the lines of The Master Key System and ''Literature/TheSecret'' fundamentally presume a pandeistic Universe, wherein man is able to unlock seemingly divine capacities by dint of our Universe being the unconscious existence of our Creator.
48	* ''Literature/CitiesInFlight'': The final section (''Triumph Of Time'') has several characters decide to have themselves thrown 'outside' of the universe -- it's going to temporarily cross "through" another universe; they (most likely) won't survive the process -- in space suits packed with explosives. The expectation is setting off the explosives would allow each character to become a personalized "big bang", with the resultant baby universes having their physical constants being 'seeded' by the constants contained within each astronaut.
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54	%%* Music/PainOfSalvation's album ''Be'' has this as its setup. (Describe the setup.)
55	%%* Weirdly enough, Music/WaylonJennings, as expressed with his Music/TheHighwaymen song, "I Do Believe." (How is it expressed?)
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61	%%* Ditto with Ymir in Myth/NorseMythology. (Ditto what?)
62	* Myth/ChineseMythology: Pangu is a human man born in nothingness, and he separated the sky and the earth, then died, and his body parts became everything on the world.
63	%%* Some Pandeists find pandeistic language in certain passages of Literature/TheBible. (Weasel words. Where in the bible?)
64	%%* And with Tiamat in Myth/MesopotamianMythology. Though in her case she was slain and split into Heaven and Earth, it's not like she ''wanted'' to become the world.(And with what?)
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70	* ''Series/BabylonFive'': The Minbari religion is centered around the belief that the Universe itself is conscious, and that life is the result of this conscious breaking itself up into smaller perspectives to study and understand itself. In one episode, Delenn tells John that if they die, they will reunite "in the place where no shadows fall" because "all come together in the same place, at the end of time".
71	* ''Series/TwelveMonkeys'': Not explicitly God, but Time. In episode 4 of the 2nd season human consciousness is said to be a natural evolution of Time trying to understand itself, using special individuals called Primaries. "What happens to Time.. given time?" Human consciousness emerging from monkey-like animals.
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76	* ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'': {{Deconstructed}} in an absolutely [[NightmareFuel nightmarish way]]. [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Atropus, the World Born Dead]] is the remains of the Creator who sacrificed itself to create the multiverse. It's a planet-sized petrified zombie god-head that looks like it's perpetually screaming. It ''regrets'' dying to create the Universe as it has been [[AndIMustScream in perpetual dying pain ever since]], and is now seeking to return everything to it to end the pain... by bringing cosmic undeath to all. Whenever Atropus pass near a planet, People Do Not Stay Dead When They Are Killed, eventually turning the entire planet into ZombieApocalypse.
77	* ''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'': This is the true nature of Primordials. They created Creation by contributing parts of themselves to the reality to be born. The biggest contributor of this is Gaia, who had nearly her entire body turned into Creation. Due to this, the Primordials can't leave this world. And if you ''somehow'' manage to [[KillTheGod kill a Primordial]], Creation will become unstable. Since the aforementioned Primordial-omachy has been achieved, Creation has indeed become extremely unstable by the time the story starts. But you can invoke Pandeism to repair the world: Green Sun Princes can become new-and-improved Primordials and contribute themselves to the world, possibly mending it.
78	%%* ''TabletopGame/InNomine'': This is one of the possible explanations as to why there is a DevilButNoGod.%%What is?
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83	* ''VideoGame/GrimDawn'' has a DarkerAndEdgier take on this. The blood of Ch'thon, the Dying God was used to create all mortal life in the universe, but he feels all the pain that they feel and has been driven mad by it.
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89	* ''Webcomic/KillSixBillionDemons'': The god YISUN grew weary of having an infinite existence, and thus committed suicide by splitting itself into many lesser aspects. In White Chain's words, "It was a wretched life, without meaning or perception. Imagine infinite stories to tell, Allison, [[http://killsixbilliondemons.com/?comic=ksbd-2-30 and nobody to tell them to.]]"
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95	* Scores of historical philosophers have been associated with pandeistic views by various historians of philosophy, including Xenophanes of Colophon, Heraclitus of Ephesus, Chrysippus, Scotus Eriugena, Bonaventure, Nicholas of Cusa, Franciscus Mercurius van Helmont, Giordano Bruno, Anselm of Canterbury, Victor Cousin, and Friedrich Engels.
96	* Some expressions of UsefulNotes/{{Hinduism}} delve in this direction, though this is most often through Western interpretation of Hindu doctrine.
97	* NASA astrophysicist Bernard Haisch proposes a theological model in his book The God Theory which has an infinite God becoming an infinite number of Universes to actualise its experience of all forms of existence; human consciousness is simply a filtered fragment of the now-sublimated consciousness of this God.
98	* Literal, self-proclaimed pandeists. Probably the most noted is Creator/AlfredLordTennyson. Another is adventurer Bruce Parry.
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102	!!Tropes about Pandeism itself:
103	* AboveGoodAndEvil: This creator may have no knowledge of good or evil going into the creation; acquiring such knowledge may even be the purpose of the creation.
104	* AnthropicPrinciple: Whatever needed to happen in order for God to become the Universe, happened.
105	* AppliedPhlebotinum: Whatever God was before it become the Universe, and whatever it used to become the Universe.
106	* AssimilationPlot: Some versions suppose this to be the ultimate endgame.
107	* BlueAndOrangeMorality: The mind of God is incomprehensible to us, as it sought a chaotic cosmos with good and evil, all in order to understand itself better, and perhaps have [[RuleOfDrama a little fun]] along the way.
108	* CallARabbitASmeerp: Especially the scientific pandeism variants, where God is non-personal and non-sentient and in fact indistinguishable from nature. AGodAmI or AGodIsYou are also invoked, since everyone is part of nature - but since it's everyone, no one person is elevated above the rest as a result.
109	* ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve: In some conceptions, belief is enough to work minor miraculous results, at least.
110	* CrossoverCosmology: Of a more abstract kind, this one bringing in ideas from Pantheism and Deism, and sometimes from more distant theories like Emanationism.
111	* GiantCorpseWorld: The universe is God's corpse.
112	* GodIsDead: Or the nearest equivalent. Until it isn't. Except in variations where it really, really is.
113	* GodsHandsAreTied : Our Creator has actually wholly become our Universe, and so has given up the ability to actually intervene in it in order to experience what existence as a Universe unfolding of its own accord is like.
114	* HaveYouSeenMyGod: God is "gone" -- because God is everything.
115	* IdentityBreakdown: When you die you lose your individuality and you become one with the universe again. For the poor, broken-hearted, and world-weary this is joyous liberation as they regain God. For the rich, proud, and haughty this is a terrifying experience, as [[YouCantFightFate they're pulled unwillingly]] back into their creator.
116	* {{Karma}}: Some versions hold that when you go back to being one with God, you get to share in reliving all the pleasure--and pain--you brought to others in life.
117	* NoConservationOfEnergy: DefiedTrope. Most concepts of mono or polytheism have the god or gods, create the universe from nothing, a violation of the laws of physics which govern our reality. Pandeism cuts this Gordian Knot by stating the universe, ever changing but never created or destroyed, ''is'' God.
118	* OlderThanFeudalism: Traced back to the Milesians of Ancient Greece.
119	%%* OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions : See UsefulNotes/{{Deism}} (Do not make readers go to other pages)
120	* PerfectPacifistPeople : Justified on the belief that violence committed against another person is actually committed against the Creator; which means, ultimately, against the self.
121	* PiecesOfGod: Everything is.
122	* PuffOfLogic: The view taken by Pandeism as to theistic beliefs -- as Pandeism is based on logic, and claims to account for all phenomena upon which other faiths are premised without requiring additional divine capacities, it is asserted to logically supersede all faiths which do require such capacities.
123	* {{Reincarnation}}: Some versions have it, some don't, but all suppose at least that we are pieces of God, and probably that we will at some point be reassembled into God.
124	* RuleOfDrama: Many pantheists believe this was the reason why God chose to become our Universe, and us, because it wanted to experience our lives first-hand. It wanted to be us, from rich to poor, happy and miserable. God refuses to separately intervene in any one of our lives as that would ruin [[TheShowMustGoOn the entire show]]. When we die we simply go back to being one with our Creator, and through us it gains invaluable knowledge about itself and its own nature.
125	* SentientCosmicForce: In some strains of pandeistic thought.
126	* TakeAThirdOption: Splits the line between atheism and theism. Or between Pantheism and Deism, which already both sort of do that.
127	* TheOmniscient: Variable within the varying schools of thought of the belief, but generally exists at least to the extent that the Creator, having become the Creation, instantly and completely experiences everything which happens within such Creation. But since the Creator is fully occupied with existing as the Creation, it can do nothing to change what is happening or will happen. The notion that the Creator knows future happenings is explicitly denied on the grounds that this would eliminate any rational basis for setting forth a Creation at all.
128	* WhoWantsToLiveForever: One possible reason why a God would cease to be a God and become a Universe instead.
129	* YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm: Those who are somehow able to contact the mind of our Creator as it unconsciously underlies our Universe find that experience so incomprehensible that their tiny human minds automatically defend themselves by interpreting such encounters as intentional communications from culturally familiar conceptions of gods, thereby explaining all revelation and scripture.
130	* YourMindMakesItReal: Miracles, seemingly answered prayers, and revelations occur across multiple faiths because the Universe-creating entity has become us (and the rest of the Universe) and believers in any religion are able to unwittingly tap into their own little slice of Creator-power.
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132	Useful links
133	* [[http://everything2.com/title/Pandeism Pandeism@Everything2.com]]
134	* [[https://www.youtube.com/user/PanDeism The official Website/YouTube PanDeism Channel]]
135	* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandeism At the Other Wiki]]
136	* [[http://pandeism.wikia.com/wiki/Pandeism_Wiki At the ''other'' other Wiki]]
137	* [[http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Pandeism Still another Wiki]]
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