Line #73 Trivia/TeenTitans


1	!!Trivia with Their Own Pages
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3	* [[WhatCouldHaveBeen/TeenTitans What Could Have Been]]
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6	* ''Trivia/TeenTitans2003''
7	* ''Trivia/TeenTitansTroubleInTokyo''
8	* ''Trivia/TeenTitansGo''
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10	!!Comic book
11	* AuthorsSavingThrow: These periodically show up every few years or so. Some went over better than other.
12	** The Wolfman Era: Kory was forced into a political marriage during Crisis on Infinite Earths, but after she returned to Earth to be with the man she loved (Dick Grayson), her marriage was ultimately explained to be a glorified peace treaty and not a "traditional" marriage, presumably because the iconic Dick and Kory relationship being an act of adultery was a bit too much.
13	** ''Comicbook/TitansHunt2015'' explicitly reversed the unpopular New 52 status quo of Tim Drake’s Teen Titans being the first incarnation of the group, establishing that there was indeed a prior team of Titans consisting of Dick Grayson and his friends.
14	** ''Comicbook/DarkNightsDeathMetal'' restored Cyborg’s history with the team and reestablished the Titans as his TrueCompanions after the New 52 had previously jettisoned that part of his backstory in favor of making him a founding member of the Justice League.
15	* ExecutiveMeddling: Arguably one of the worst victims in comics for some reason[[note]]A somewhat understandable part of it is that the Titans, using many characters from other series results in frequent inter-series competition over who has more rights over the characters, especially where the Batman, Flash, and Wonder Woman offices are concerned[[/note]], despite only being a huge seller in one era. Virtually every single writer (since at least the '90s) has come off the book complaining about this in some way, to the point where it's obviously not just making excuses as to why their runs sucked (most of the time, anyways). The short list:
16	** The "Team Titans", a team of future-borne characters with horrifyingly "90s" stereotypes. The Team Titans and their book were also subject to further meddling, as both Marv Wolfman and Phil Jimenez were not allowed to follow through with some plot points they'd set up by the end, or had their plans utterly changed by editorial (such as the identity of the Team Titans' mysterious leader [[note]]He was originally intended to be a 20-something BackFromTheDead Danny Chase, but was made into Hank Hall to tie into ''ComicBook/ZeroHourCrisisInTime''[[/note]])
17	** The issue of Nightwing and Starfire's wedding ended up not going forward following editor Jonathan Peterson's departure as instead the wedding was called off after a corrupted Raven implanted a demon seed on Starfire and Batman editors wanted him back to the Bat-titles, which led to...
18	** The removal of Nightwing from the book and the restriction on portrayals of Nightwing and Tim Drake since the 90s, lasting up until Teen Titans volume 3. The "Arsenal-led" team was explicitly forbidden to use Nightwing; similarly, despite winning a fan contest in which he was a choice to join the Atom-led Teen Titans, Batman editors refused to honor the contest and allow Dan Jurgens to use Tim Drake in the Titans, leading to Jurgens having to substitute Captain Marvel Jr. in his place. Nightwing was also forbidden from being heavily utilized in the Jurgens run aside from limited cameos, while the original series treatment had him as a mentor to the new team. [[note]]During this time period, the Batoffice was enforcing an "Urban Legend" retcon with all Bat-related characters, in which the general public didn't believe that "The Batman" was real. This resulted in the heavy restrictions on Nightwing and Robin in both ''Teen Titans'' and ''Young Justice''.[[/note]]
19	*** Speaking of Nightwing, Marv Wolfman was actually able to stop one case of meddling when the higher-ups wanted Dick Grayson back as Robin. He was instead able to convince them to simply create a new character to take on the mantle, leading to the creation of Jason Todd and the Robin legacy as a whole.
20	*** Wildcat and Raven were also originally intended to be mentor characters, but were off-limits, leaving Jurgens to have to substitute a de-aged Atom and Lilith Clay (who took on the Raven-esque persona of "Omen").
21	** Devin Grayson was forced to use Argent from the "Atom" team, as well as Damage from the "Arsenal" one. She also had to temporarily switch Wally West with Dark Flash when his own book underwent a change.
22	** Jay Faerber complained that he was forced to include a ''new'' team of teenage super-powered kids into the book because the editors wanted to shift the book over to a new, young cast. Eventually they kind of forgot about it as sales dwindled, so the suddenly-introduced kids got phased out at light speed.
23	*** Speaking of Jay Faerber, according to [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]], when Faerber got the Titans book to himself, he had several plans for the series that would go forward once things got going. However, new editor Andrew Helfer apparently wasn't as well versed in the Titans compared with the previous editor, and due to some mandates, rejections and changes to the forthcoming script, what Faerber turned out for Titans 26-50 didn't exactly please everyone.
24	*** To name one example, the original plan for Epsilon was to make him a reborn Danny Chase. A way to turn a less liked character into something more interesting and accepted through good writing. But then Helfer vetoed it for what we got instead.
25	** Creator/GeoffJohns' story plans were complicated by ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'', causing several plot threads to be rushed, changed, or dropped completely. Johns would later imply that having to kill off Superboy to spare Nightwing's life had thrown a wrench into the later plots he'd drafted. Impulse becoming Kid Flash was also a mandate by Eddie Berganza (the editor at the time) who saw it as a way to make him more of a "brand" character for the Flash family, while Johns went along with it as he saw it as a chance to mature Bart. Johns eventually bowed out of the title mid-"Titans East" arc, having only written the outlines and leaving Adam Beechen to finish up the rest.
26	*** Issue 47 was originally drafted as a story where Duela Dent got to join the volume 3 team after "Titans East", which would set her up to be a more active character. Due to the creation of ''ComicBook/{{Countdown\|ToFinalCrisis}}'' and Duela being killed off to start the event, the plot was altered to be a tie-in with the Titans mourning her death.
27	** It's speculated that Sean [=McKeever=] left the book because of this, specifically the death of Kid Devil, one of his favorite characters. A planned resurrection arc for the character was also shot down. This was, according to Creator/DanDidio, done so as the establish the new "death is permanent" policy after ''ComicBook/BlackestNight'' (which didn't last anyway), but since he specifically pointed out Kid Devil, it's pretty safe to assume Didio simply doesn't like that character. A few years later he would [[http://comicbloc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1602290&postcount=27 confirm this]]. He tactfully calls it "creative differences".
28	** Creator/ScottLobdell started out writing the book intending to carry over some themes and traditions from the old continuity. However, at some point, he was informed that this particular team had to be the first and only iteration of the Titans, it was decided that Tim Drake was always and only Red Robin, and in his Superboy book he was informed to completely reboot that character as well. The part that makes this egregious is that most of the above was retroactively added into issue reprints after the initial issues had been released and he had planted the seeds for a previous team.
29	*** The ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}'' version of Lilith/Omen was initially meant to be Raven, but Raven's debut to the new DCU would wind up delayed by editorial, necessitating the change. Lobdell also didn't want to use Trigon in his book, as he wanted to focus on new villains (and had the impression another book would be handling Raven's story), but eventually had to relent to using him.
30	* ExiledFromContinuity:
31	** Gnnark was never a Titan in Post-Crisis continuity, although some artists (such as Justiniano) would try to sneak him in as a cameo to later "Titans West" flashblacks. His only canonical appearance in Post-Crisis continuity was in a flashback issue as a frozen Neanderthal that had a psychic connection with Lilith, but eventually died. Funnily, he was reintroduced to the team in ''ComicBook/TitansHunt2015'' as a character who was part of a group of Teen Titans that was forgotten by the world, ''along'' with Lilith.
32	** Duela Dent (The Joker's Daughter). For some time during the late '80s and the '90s, coupled with WriterOnBoard. Marv Wolfman never liked the character, and attempted to employ this during the Post-Crisis era. Phil Jimenez apparently nearly got in trouble for even referencing her during Team Titans. Later writers attempted to downplay Duela's involvement with the original Titans as well, only listing her as an "ally" (much to the chagrin of her fans).
33	* FollowTheLeader: [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools A positive example, since the New Teen Titans were arguably the high point of the title.]] Still - take two up-and-coming talents from Marvel, and give them a Sixties team that has potential but not much success. Keep some of the original cast, and add a more varied group of newcomers. Include a character that debuted in another title and looks to become a breakout star (named Logan, for bonus points) and [[Comicbook/XMen what have you got?]].
34	* OldShame: Marv Wolfman has admitted that he regretted turning Jericho into [[FaceHeelTurn a villain]] during "ComicBook/TitansHunt".
35	** He also admitted in an August 2006 interview with Back Issue magazine that he's not proud of causing the ContinuitySnarl related to Donna Troy in terms of her origins as a result of ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' with "ComicBook/WhoIsWonderGirl" by stating that he should've retained her previous origin story "ComicBook/WhoIsDonnaTroy", albeit with some revisions due to Wonder Woman being [[ComicBook/WonderWoman1987 rebooted]] in the ComicBook/PostCrisis era.
36	--->'''Wolfman''': I wrote the original Donna Troy origin story back in the first Titans run. She had never had one and was, in fact, not a "real" character (if you can call any of them real). She was a computer simulation of Wonder Woman as a girl. That story also named her Donna Troy and set up everything that followed. Unfortunately, after ''Crisis on Infinite Earths'' and the Wonder Woman revamp, we had to go back and redo it again as a brand new Wonder Woman being born on Earth could not have rescued the girl from the burning building. I wish we had been able to keep it as I think it's gone insane now. I just wanted a simple origin story. I came up with the original, and then [in "Who is Donna Troy?"] [[Creator/GeorgePerez George]] and I simply elaborated on what had been done, giving her real knowledge of who she was. I would love to say that everything after "Who is Donna Troy?" should be forgotten, but that's not the way continuity works, sadly.
37	* ThrowItIn: According to Creator/GeorgePerez, he was sketching some designs for Starfire when Joe Orlando passed by, glanced at them and suggested making her hair longer. Perez listened.
38	* WhatCouldHaveBeen
39	** Originally there was to be a subplot with Terra II in the ''ComicBook/FiftyTwo'' series and ''World War 3'', in which she would have been driven to insanity by the paranoia of being the original Terra and wind up becoming a villain. She would then be killed by Atlee in self-defense, while trying to take down the Titans. A reference to this scrapped plot was made in the Terra miniseries, due to the first few issues of the series having been written during the original plan.

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