| 1 | * Several idol anime over the last couple of years had it all over the scale, however none of the main multi-media franchises ever fall truly into the cynical side like RealLife would. While idols may face interpersonal conflict like lack of self confidence or struggling in their studies or intrapersonal ones like dealing with a person who dislikes idol culture. The stories resolves in a generally idealistic manner. : |
| 2 | ** ''Anime/TheIdolMaster'' is idealistic one, being a story about multiple production companies and the story of their idols who strive to achieve their dreams. While some rivalries might flare up (such as Yumeno from Deary Stars), the rivalry resolves amicably between both parties. |
| 3 | ** ''Anime/{{Aikatsu}}'' is also idealistic. The idols support each other and become friends most of the time while having fun. Even the few bits of drama are resolved with happy ends. |
| 4 | ** ''Franchise/LoveLive'' is generally idealistic despite the more emotional struggles of the cast. In the first season, μ's go from a small 3 girl group to a 9 girl group that would leave behind a legacy for ''Love Live! Sunshine''. Sunshine starts a bit more cynically, as the third years had suffered a massive failure that threatens the demise of their school that they try to save. While the girls reunite as Aqours, their efforts to save the school fail but it does not diminish their desire to leave a final legacy for Uranohoshi and later for the remaining students as they relocate to the new school to carry on the dream of the Third Years. |
| 5 | ** Despite taking place in a universe where the government had banned entertainment and the idols have to fight the corrupt government. ''Anime/AKB0048'' at heart is an idealistic series as the group is portrayed as a heroic resistance who fights for entertainment. |
| 6 | ** ''VideoGame/PrettySeries'' is very dramatic and things tend to take a dramatic turn here and there before they are finally resolved in a way that is good for most of the people involved. Pretty much sit in the middle of this scale. |
| 7 | ** ''Anime/WakeUpGirls'' is a story about a struggling idol group who goes through rejection, failure and the unpleasant facts of life that plague the idol industry as they struggle to survive during the idol boom. However despite the challenges faced by the group from the anxiety of doing gravure shoots, having a less than desirable fanbase that still supports them. At heart they want to show that even in an industry that faces a powerful production label and later a declining idol industry, they can still find passion in doing what they do and an audience that will cheer them on. |
| 8 | * Creator/IsaoTakahata's work also varies but the scale will more often slide one side to the another in the same project. |
| 9 | ** ''Anime/GraveOfTheFireflies'' lies more on the cynical end. |
| 10 | ** ''Anime/PandaGoPanda'' and ''Anime/MyNeighborsTheYamadas'' are closer to the idealistic side. |
| 11 | ** ''Anime/OnlyYesterday'', ''Anime/TheTaleOfPrincessKaguya'', and ''Anime/PomPoko'' lie right in the middle. |
| 12 | * The works of Koichi Ohata have a few genuinely good examples of anime of being very, very cynical to the point they could be considered nihilistic. ''Anime/{{Genocyber}}'' and ''Anime/MDGeist'' are both the most notable items. ''Anime/CyberneticsGuardian'' however by contrast ends up much more idealistic than his usual fare. |
| 13 | * Creator/SatoshiKon's films are all over the place. |
| 14 | ** ''Anime/ParanoiaAgent'' and ''Anime/PerfectBlue'' are very cynical. |
| 15 | ** ''Anime/TokyoGodfathers'', ''Anime/MillenniumActress'', and (most likely) [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreaming_Machine Dreaming Machine]] (his unfinished film) are very much like on the idealistic end. |
| 16 | ** ''Anime/{{Paprika}}'' is smack in the middle. |
| 17 | * Like ''Manga/{{Gantz}}'' and ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'', the works of Yoshiki Takaya such as ''Manga/{{Zeorymer}}'' and ''Manga/{{Guyver}}'' falls into the cynical side. How despite wielding an indestructible weapon against the enemy is fighting what amounts to be a HopelessWar against an alien threat. |
| 18 | * Some of Creator/YoshiyukiTomino's entries into the SuperRobotGenre, namely ''Anime/Zambot3'' and ''Anime/SpaceRunawayIdeon'' contain elements that subvert the idealism and BlackAndWhiteMorality of other Super Robot shows [[spoiler:not to mention incorporating {{Everybody Dies Ending}}s, as per his Kill 'Em All nickname]]. For instance, in ''Zambot 3'', the protagonists of the Jin family are not praised for their efforts for the majority of the series, but are instead condemned as the cause of the problem. Somewhat justified, seeing as the populace is rather uninformed, and Zambot 3, like any other HumongousMecha, causes a fair bit of property damage and human casualties in its own right. Most series just choose not to address it. Additionally, it is implied in ''Ideon'' that [[spoiler:the Ide was just using the crew that defends it in an EvilPlan to cause TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt.]] Suffice it to say, while ''Ideon'' is infamously cynical, ''Zambot 3'' could at least be seen as having a BittersweetEnding depending on how one interprets [[spoiler:the Gaizok being defeated at the cost of the lives of all but one protagonist, along with the populace coming around to recognize the Zambot pilots as heroes.]] |
| 19 | * ''Manga/AkameGaKill'' is firmly cynical on commonly accepted shounen tropes. |
| 20 | ** TheEmpire taken over by the Prime Minister consists of monstrous people who does not hesitate to commit atrocities against their own people and makes up of characters from wholly evil backgrounds. Death is permanent and the relationship between Tatsumi and Esdeath ends not with redemption or a villainous breakdown but with Tatsumi and Akame coldly killing Esdeath who firmly remains loyal to her cause. The fight also is costly for the protagonists, with plenty of KillTheCutie moments galore. Ironically though, the most idealistic character of all ([[AntiVillain Wave]]) is actually the one who ends up the happiest off by the end of the series. |
| 21 | ** Moreover, the series ends in the middle with the [[BigBad Prime Minister]] facing the wrath of the people, some of the cold-blooded characters recovering their emotions (including the titular character and her sister), and some of the more idealistic characters or recovering ones gaining a new purpose in life. |
| 22 | * ''Manga/{{Akira}}'', both the manga and the movie, are an interesting example. The story starts out ''very'' cynical but over the course of it, things slowly get more idealistic, moving away from the incredibly bleak opening. The transition is complete at the end where it's implied things are going to be falling squarely on the idealistic side of things from now on. |
| 23 | %%* ''Manga/{{ARIA}}'' practically floats by on a massive ocean of idealism. |
| 24 | * ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'' and ''Manga/TerraforMARS'' are both hopelessly cynical plots about fighting giant mutant threats made by humanity for some purpose, only to watch it backfire horribly as waves of humans are sent to fight a HopelessWar against them. [[AnyoneCanDie The death count]] is often horrific for both sides and there isn't even hope for a better tomorrow for anyone still alive. ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'' even has Eren suffer for trying to be idealistic at one point: [[spoiler: by having faith in the more senior recon corp members and not transforming to fight they end up crushed by the female titan]]. Armin starts to crack and break and believe that only by making sacrifices can you make any progress and it's heavily implied that [[TheChessmaster Erwin came to similar conclusions when he was younger]]. Jean is arguably the most idealistic of all the main cast, recently admitting that he had wished that Levi's cynical and brutal methods would prove to be less effective than refraining from killing. [[spoiler: He still tries to avoid killing and find [[TakeAThirdOption better alternatives]] but still...]] |
| 25 | ** Then it slides into idealism for a while, as the technology hidden by the Royals get revealed and things begin to look up, [[spoiler:then it gets ''really'' worse. The Survey Corps get decimated to nine members, the protagonists learn the truth outside the walls and find out they were all living on borrowed time, the villains of the first half show their tragic side and major characters begin to drop like flies. By the end, the IdiotHero becomes a VillainProtagonist and dies at the hands of his first love not before decimating 80% of humanity, while everything he fights for gets undone after a few centuries when Paradis gets bombed by the descendants of the survivors of the above mentioned massacre.]] |
| 26 | * Despite the fact that [[{{Gorn}} children should]] '''[[{{Gorn}} never]]''' [[{{Gorn}} watch this series]], ''Literature/{{Baccano}}'' is a very idealistic and light-hearted series. The overlying theme seems to be that [[ThePowerOfLove love]], whether it's [[MadLove complete batshit love]] or love that takes a long time to develop or [[HeterosexualLifePartners completely]] [[TrueCompanions platonic]], is the most powerful force ever. |
| 27 | ** It also largely takes the more idealistic LivingForeverIsAwesome view of immortality, with most of the immortals shown either celebrating or at least making the best of their eternal lives, though it certainly touches on the more cynical side as well. |
| 28 | ** ''Literature/{{Durarara}}'' mostly follows suit, reflecting on the beauty of even the most twisted love. That's turned on its head for one story arc, but every arc is resolved with the PowerOfFriendship. The novel HOWEVER seems to be sliding toward cynicism [[spoiler: especially with [[BreakTheCutie all the things]] [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope happening to the trio]] [[KillitWithFire that relied on the power of friendship.]]]] Even that or the novel is becoming DarkerAndEdgier. |
| 29 | * In the ''Manga/BattleRoyale'' manga, Shuya Nanahara is a very idealistic Rock n' Roll fan, even though the series itself is far at the cynical end of the spectrum. This causes MoodWhiplash between issues, or even between scenes, making you wonder if Shuya has the magical ability to make the plot more forgiving. |
| 30 | * ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'': |
| 31 | ** This manga is what happens when the cynical end of the scale forces the idealistic end down and breaks its arm. And then chops it into little pieces with a {{BFS}}. And then, for good measure, blasts whatever's left with an ArmCannon. Underneath all the gritty medieval violence and {{Deconstructed Trope}}s, however, the series is actually rather optimistic. Camaraderie is a central theme in the series, as Guts learns to appreciate friendship after being a loner for several years (twice!). And while its been repeatedly stated that Guts cannot really effect any major change in the flow of Causality, he has been a positive influence on many people he's encountered, such as Farnese and the little girl Jill, and has changed the misanthropic viewpoint of CuteWitch Schierke to a more hopeful one. In fact, most of the cynicism is in the early chapters, and the endings of both the Lost Children and Albion arcs ended on positive notes, with the supporting characters from both going on to live better lives. |
| 32 | ** ''Berserk'' may be a subversion in a weird fatalistic way. If causality is absolute and nothing the characters do can make a lasting impact on the CrapsackWorld around them, that definitely tends toward the cynical. But on the other hand, a certain amount of idealism is consistently portrayed as being much better for one's own personal mental sanity if nothing else. The moral seems to be that if you ultimately have no control over your life anyway, you might as well spend as much time as you can being with your loved ones before either you or they or both inevitably get raped, killed, and eaten by demons (not necessarily in that order). But a lot will depend on the ending. |
| 33 | * The main premise of ''Manga/BlackCat'' involves two scheming organizations, [[BlackAndGreyMorality one evil, one morally grey]], a living weapon resulted from an unspeakably unethical human experiment and a couple of guys who try to do good but are constantly strained by the evils of the world. The morally grey organization has taken over a good portion of the world's governments, sometimes with the use of force, violence and deceit. The evil organization tries to take over the ''whole'' world by killing a lot of people and making its insane leader immortal. The living weapon is a little girl without feelings, raised as a TykeBomb by a CorruptCorporateExecutive; her first scene in the manga was her killing a bodyguard. One of the good guys had a shady and troubled past. So you think this series is lodged way into the side of [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism Cynicsm]]? Wrong, actually it's the complete opposite. Many of the morally grey organization's members are actually nice and benevolent characters. Some of the evil organization's members are actually very humanized. The little girl who is a living weapon is one of the cutest and most lovable protagonists in the story. And the good guys are downright goofy. The audiences were made to believe that AnyoneCanDie, it turns out that many of them survive, sometimes making a HeelFaceTurn. [[spoiler:Even the insane BigBad ends up being taken care of by TheDragon in a peaceful rural cottage so he could return to a normal life so he can do good.]] ''Manga/BlackCat'' is kind of a DoubleSubversion of an idealistic fighting {{Shonen}} series, as though the whole premise looks Cynical, it is actually a very Idealistic manga. |
| 34 | * ''Manga/BlackLagoon'' fiercely stays at the end of the cynical side of the HeroicBloodshed genre to such an extent that it actually comes back around the other side and behaves somewhat idealistically. This is perfectly demonstrated at the end of the series, when the protagonist admits that there is [[CrapsackWorld neither justice nor morality in the world]], but that he still intends to help people entirely [[ItAmusedMe just because]]. He then proceeds to talk the BigBad out of killing him and his friends (something which the protagonists of even the most idealistic series generally have trouble doing). |
| 35 | * ''Manga/{{Blame}}'' is a difficult series to categorize, as despite its largely bleak and cynical appearance, it is actually ''relatively'' idealistic. The protagonist's ultimate goal is to save humanity, even ''if'' he has to be very violent about it. [[spoiler: He succeeds in his mission, [[CrapsackWorld but whether humanity was ultimately "saved" or not is purposely left ambiguous]].]] We could just say that ''Manga/{{Blame}}'' deliberately plays see-saw with the scale, and leave it at that. |
| 36 | * ''Manga/{{Bokurano}}'' and ''Manga/ShadowStar'' are series so cynical that you could use their sliding scale as a trebuchet by putting what you wanted to throw in the 'idealism' end of the scale and tying a rope to it - and even then the cynicism side is so weighted down with [[DeathOfAChild dead children]] you'd have to add all the 'happy happy' content of ''several'' idealistic shows to pull down the throwing arm before cutting the rope. ''Bokurano'' is the slightly more hopeful of the two; even though it's a very screwed-up story with a DysfunctionJunction cast, most of its main characters are good, well-intentioned people, and many of them have their wishes granted in some small part, like [[spoiler:Maki getting to see the light that represents her newborn baby brother before she dies]]. ''Shadow Star'', on the other hand, with its HumansAreTheRealMonsters mentality and DiabolusExMachina levels of angst and tragedy, could use the sliding scale to fling small ''planets'' with its sheer pessimism. Nothing ''ever'' goes right in that manga. [[spoiler:The manga ends with the protagonist finally snapping, deciding to wipe out humanity by using her shadow dragon which is goddamn planet earth itself. Gigantic hands as big as skyscrapers sprouts out of earth and literally bitchslap everyone to death sparing only ruins of destroyed cities and leaving the fate of humanity to two pregnant teenagers.]] |
| 37 | * ''Manga/CardcaptorSakura'' is very idealistic. The series demonstrates that all love is equal, and even jerks like Syaoran and Meiling eventually befriend Sakura. Sakura's catchphrase is "Everything will be alright". |
| 38 | * ''Manga/ChronoCrusade'': |
| 39 | ** The original manga is fairly idealistic (although quite dark at times), while the anime starts off following the manga closely, then plunges into a GeckoEnding that is [[DownerEnding notoriously dark]]. The messages of the two series seems to work out something like this: In the manga, "Never give up hope, we're not fated to fail. We can keep fighting." In the anime, it's "[[AsLongAsThereIsEvil As long as]] HumansAreFlawed, [[AsLongAsThereIsEvil evil can't be killed for good]]." |
| 40 | ** The scale also plays a part in the story itself, particularly in the manga--Rosette's practically a mouthpiece for the idealistic side of the scale, while Aion is an unabashed cynic. When Chrono was on Aion's side, he fell in with Aion's cynical beliefs, despite his own misgivings...but after going against Aion and meeting Rosette, he starts to go in line with her way of thinking. [[spoiler:At the very end of the manga, Chrono's been so affected by Rosette that his last conversation with Aion almost sounds like the two sides of the scale in a debate.]] |
| 41 | * ''Manga/{{Claymore}}'', much like its [[SpiritualSuccessor Spiritual Predecessor]] ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'', tends to tip on the cynical side of the scale, making it another rare {{Shonen}} example to do this, along with ''Manga/DeathNote''. There ARE times when the good guys win and the bad guys are defeated (and even during those instances, it's ruined when [[AlasPoorVillain you feel bad for the defeated villain]]), but those times are usually few and far between or they're just setting the audience up for [something worse to come. A good example? Try the Northern Campaign, where in the first battle [[spoiler: all twenty four warriors sent on the mission (which was actually [[ThePurge a purge]] to get rid of them) survived, and we see them conversing and giving each other [[IfWeGetThroughThis pep talks and emotional strength]] the following night. Next day, next battle: [[EverybodysDeadDave only seven of them survived.]]]] A most surprising twist when compared to a seinen such as ''Berserk'' is that ''Claymore'' has very little comic relief in it, to maintain that always serious atmosphere. |
| 42 | * While ''EVA'' and ''Gurren Lagann'' are the poster children for cynicism and idealism in HumongousMecha shows respectively, ''Anime/CodeGeass'' uses the conflict between the two as one of the many clashes between its male leads. The protagonist, Lelouch, feels that TheEmpire is horribly corrupt and beyond redemption, meaning that in order to achieve peace he has to destroy it, start over from square one and generally act like Machiavelli's ''Literature/ThePrince'' personified. His friend/rival Suzaku believes that destruction is never the answer and holds out hope that idealism and obstinacy can reform Britannia. [[spoiler:Late in the series, the point becomes moot as Lelouch kills the Emperor and seizes power, with Suzaku as his knight/bodyguard.]]\ |
| 43 | The conflict then slides from the one between Lelouch and Suzaku to the one between Lelouch and his older brother Schniezel, with Lelouch representing the idealistic side of the scale, namely that people aren't naturally violent and can be taught to be kind to each other, and Schniezel representing the cynical end of the scale, that people are inherently prone to conflict and true peace can only be achieved through the threat of overwhelming force in the present. [[spoiler: In the end, sheer violence wins out, and the series suggests that Lelouch's idealistic, if suicidal, plan has changed humanity for the better. Ironically, both plans centre around threats and violence, it's simply the one believes that state needs to be maintained, and the other believes that people will learn from that experience.]] |
| 44 | * ''Anime/CowboyBebop'' has some idealistic aspects. For example, the young girl Ed is never around when things get really dangerous or serious, the hero Spike Spiegel lives through things that would have killed him in real life, and many episodes feature at least one bad guy who is irredeemably bad while others who change their ways or who are sympathetic. On the other hand, ''Cowboy Bebop'' is also quite cynical. Unlike most fiction, people go to the bathroom and wash their clothes. Bad things happen to good people, and the "happy endings" to the episodes usually have a catch, ex: In episode 2, Ein the dog is saved, and the bad guy is stopped, but our bounty hunter heroes got no money for their efforts, just a dog they think is worthless. Almost all of the main characters, and many of the other "good" characters have very negative aspects, and some of the "bad" characters are not quite as "evil" as you think. Ex: Jet Black is an ex-cop who left because he hated the corruption in the force, yet he is not above blackmailing his ex co-workers for info. Another example: The Red Dragon gangster Vicious is the main villain in the series, but he has good reason to be angry -- Spike Spiegel stole his girlfriend, and then turned against the Red Dragon Syndicate. Even worse, his boss Mao Yenrai still would like Spike to come back, and wants to bargain with other syndicates instead of fighting them. Not to mention that many of these people are members of or associated with criminal syndicates, placing them in anti-hero territory at best. The ultimate message of the show seems to be both extremely idealistic ''and'' extremely cynical [[spoiler: as it involves the main character's death.]] ''Cowboy Bebop'' is ultimately a show where [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold people can be counted on to do the right thing... eventually]]. |
| 45 | * ''Anime/CrossAnge'' is excesssively on the cynical side. It berates technology, PowerOfLove and PowerOfFriendship as they make humans are selfishly complacent and arroagant. So much that they must be beaten up or have someone to beat up just to vitalize themselves. Even after the story shifts away from the cynical end with [[spoiler:the Dragons and Norma understanding one another and joining to fight the BigBad]], many of the themes the anime denounces still remain. |
| 46 | * ''Anime/DayBreakIllusion'' which is directed by the same person who directed Nanoha is on the firm end of cynicism, the MonsterOfTheWeek are created from a DealWithTheDevil and killing them also means killing the innocent human soul who don't even have a pleasant afterlife but instead just coldly put down. The group that fights it views any deserters as threats and there is seemingly no light at the end of the tunnel like Madoka. It only barely edges out an idealistic end at the end of the tunnel but still brings out a lot question about the nature of monsters. |
| 47 | * Even disregarding it's nature as a {{shounen}} series, ''Manga/DeathNote'' is one of the most cynical anime ever made. [[HumansAreFlawed People are either corrupt in some way or incompetent]] and the few likable characters either end up dead or [[BreakTheCutie broken]]. Despite his [[KnightTemplar perverse sense of justice]] ([[MisaimedFandom though some might disagree]]), Light is a VillainProtagonist who not only is willing to kill criminals that may or may not deserve to die, but anyone else who gets in his way regardless of their guilt and innocence, and is even willing to kill members of his own family to further his own ends, even if he'd prefer it not come to that. L, the guy who is assigned to the Kira case, is arguably better, but not by all that much. |
| 48 | ** Near, [[spoiler:who ends up defeating Light with Mello's help]], is somewhere around the middle; better than Light, yet a bit worse than L. Mello, his [[TheRival rival]], by contrast, is just as ruthless as Light, to the point that his antics make Light seem almost ''heroic'' by comparison during his first appearance. [[spoiler:After all, ''he'' kidnapped Sayu and killed members of his own Mafia after they'd [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness Outlived Their Usefulness]], and while Light himself murdered the Director of the Japanese Police for similar reasons, he was for the most part trying to ''rescue'' his father and sister.]] |
| 49 | ** The series also plays with the imagery of idealism and cynicism. Light, the villain, is perhaps the [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greatest idealist of all]], and his overarching motivations are closer to those of a traditional hero than those of L, Near, or Mello. [[spoiler: The intermezzo episode after L's death is almost a traditional {{Shonen}} epilogue for Light; he gets the girl, achieves his life's dream of joining the police force, and is well on his way to creating his new world,]] while the last episode is even ''named'' New World. [[spoiler: It's a subversion, by the way.]] Meanwhile, L, Near and Mello are all obvious [[AntiHero Anti Heroes]] who unashamedly and unapologetically [[IDidWhatIHadToDo do what they have to do to catch Kira]], use Light's methods against him, and [[ArchEnemy are motivated more by stopping Light himself than by trying to help anyone]]. The title of the last episode [[spoiler:isn't really a lie - more a clever use of irony and misdirection. After all, it ''does'' end in the creation of a new world, as Kira's tyranny is overthrown]]. |
| 50 | ** In contrast, the AlternateContinuity {{film}} ''Film/LChangeTheWorld'' is surprisingly idealistic. |
| 51 | * ''Anime/DiamondDaydreams'' is very idealistic without becoming too unrealistic. The girls in the stories still have to face their fears and have to deal with hardship, but it only helps them to become stronger. |
| 52 | * ''Manga/DragonBall'' is as a whole is definitely on the idealistic side: the good guys always win and all the damage done by the bad guys is almost always undone, and most bad guys come back as allies for the next fight, converted by the PowerOfFriendship. |
| 53 | ** Then there is the ''History of Trunks'' special that shows what the Dragon World would be like if it did take a turn for the cynical. Most of the main heroes are dead and those still alive are living in hell where they can be killed at any time by the androids, who were created by a human who held a grudge against one of the dead heroes. {{Heroic Sacrifice}}s means nothing, people are ruthlessly slaughtered for fun, and playing hero often leads to being maimed or dying brutally. One could see the special as being a {{Deconstruction}} of Dragon Ball. |
| 54 | ** ''Bardock: Father of Goku'' is not quite as cynical as the Trunks' special, but it is far darker than the series proper. The story resolves around Bardock trying to stop a future that he has no way of preventing. It is a long {{Shoot the Shaggy Dog}} story for the main character as he watched his friends be murdered, failing to avenge their deaths, his warnings about Frieza falling on deafs ears and mocked, to being unceremoniously killed when he tried to fight back against fate. With all that said, the special does end on a high note with Goku going to Earth, being found by Gohan, and him being the one destined to avenge the fallen Saiyans. |
| 55 | ** ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' is more on the cynical end than the original and ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', but only barely. The universe is ruled by a naive god who could erase everything in an instant, and JerkassGods are plentiful. It also has the darkest saga in the franchise with the Future Trunks saga, which ends with [[spoiler: the entire Future Trunks timeline getting erased by Zen'o after being corrupted beyond repair by an EldritchAbomination]]. That said, even that saga has a strong message of hope and teamwork even against overwhelming odds. The Universe Survival saga has a dark, highly cynical premise (All of the multiverse has to fight in a tournament, and the losers have their entire universe erased by Zen'o) but a heavily idealistic ending: [[spoiler: The whole thing was a SecretTestOfCharacter set up by Zen'o to see if the winner would be virtuous enough to wish back all the universes erased in the tournament, which Android 17 passes, saving all of existence in the process.]] |
| 56 | * ''Manga/ElfenLied'' tends to fall pretty heavily on the cynicism side of the scale given that it believes that HumansAreBastards and the protagonist is an AxCrazy killer who believes her only purpose in life is to destroy the race that is so cruel to her and her species. |
| 57 | * ''Anime/EurekaSeven'' weighs both ends of the spectrum but ultimately comes to idealistic conclusions. Yes, WarIsHell and people can be very easily mislead by desire for revenge, misplaced trust in authority, or simple fear of the unknown, but looking for the best in people ([[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman and other species]]) and understanding that [[RousseauWasRight most of them have good intentions at heart]] can help you overcome the odds and EarnYourHappyEnding. This is well illustrated by the final conflict with the BigBad:[[spoiler:Dewey Novak [[TheSociopath has no sense of empathy]], but his heinous actions are partly explained by his belief that he has to make a SadisticChoice of either destroying humanity or allowing the entire universe to come to an end. The protagonists refuse to accept that these are the only options, however, and manage to save the world when they TakeAThirdOption that was only made possible by ThePowerOfLove.]] |
| 58 | * ''Anime/FafnerInTheAzureDeadAggressor'' is a RealRobotGenre version of ''Evangelion'' and even more cynical than ''Evangelion'' (the Festum view the humans as bastards and are right in their judgment). The ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsK'' that served as its debut where you can save the pilots who died in the series is done through a SadisticChoice style unlock (you can only unlock one set of units). Meanwhile ''Heaven and Earth'' and ''Right of Left'' is pretty much day and night of idealism and cynicism. |
| 59 | * ''Manga/FairyTail'' is very much on the "idealistic" side. Even when it gets dark and world-destroying threats show up, as long as you've got enough determination, strength, and friendship on your side, you can power through to a happy ending. Even most of the villains (aside from the {{Card Carrying Villain}}s) have tragic backstories and with coaxing some of them end manage to turn around and find redemption. |
| 60 | * ''Literature/FateZero'' is soul-crushingly cynical, seeing the noble chivalric ideals and good intentions of [[KnightInShiningArmor Saber]] and [[FailureKnight Lancer]], the self-sacrificing efforts of Kariya to spare Sakura from a horrifying fate in the Matou family, the dreams of [[WellIntentionedExtremist Kiritsugu]] to create a world without conflict, and many others broken and stomped on. |
| 61 | * Although the story of ''Manga/FinalFantasyLostStranger'' gets dark in places, introducing notions like child slavery, assassination of public figures, and Yuko's death, the story firmly falls on the idealistic end of the scale, rejecting notions like TheNeedsOfTheMany in favor of TakingAThirdOption for a better outcome. |
| 62 | * ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar'': |
| 63 | ** The original series is unapologetically idealistic and morally righteous in spite of being set in a post-apocalyptic CrapsackWorld. The heart and soul of the series seems to be "It is easy to do good in times of prosperity, but it takes a true '''hero''' to be a good person when the entire world is ''screaming'' for you to be otherwise." Not to mention several main villains reveal their tragic pasts and their good side when they are about to die... such as Shin, Juda, and even Souther and Raoh... Note that Toki leans on the idealistic end of the scale and Raoh on the cynical end, regarding the world laid in ruin by the nuclear war. We can see this story is literally the fight between the idealistic side and the cynical side. |
| 64 | ** The prequel, ''Manga/FistOfTheBlueSky'', however, is more cynical in nature, in that TheHero is helping a drug lord take over Shanghai City where guns are prominent, even though there are mentions of building a Shangri-La right here. Almost no bad guys get redemption from their crimes, either. |
| 65 | * ''Anime/{{FLCL}}'', made by Studio Gainax, is an ''Anti-Eva'' show since [[WhiteAndGreyMorality there are clear heroes and no defined villian]], [[CharacterDevelopment A great deal of the characters grow out of their flaws]] and get a mostly HappyEnding. Both were also made in very similar circumstances, with both Hideaki Anno and the rest of Studio Gainax both went through bouts of depression. However, since ''Evangelion'' was responsible for depressing Gainax, through Newton's Third Law, its counterpart ''FLCL'' was made shortly afterward to counteract it. |
| 66 | * ''Franchise/FullmetalAlchemist'' is an interesting example as ''Anime/FullmetalAlchemist2003'' and [[Manga/FullmetalAlchemist the manga/second anime]] end on different parts of the scale. The manga and second anime are very idealistic, with the message that if you work hard enough and overcome your pain, you can make anything possible [[spoiler: except for bringing back the dead]]. The first anime is more (but not entirely) cynical, saying you ''don't'' always achieve what you want, [[Music/TheRollingStonesBand but if you try you just might get what you need]], and that ''struggle'' is what makes life worth living. How you feel about these messages, and your overall place on the sliding scale, is a major clue to which side of the [[BrokenBase endless fandom war]] you'll likely take. |
| 67 | * ''Anime/{{Gankutsuou}}'' takes a nosedive off the cynical end very early on, doing its best to [[BreakTheCutie crush]] the WideEyedIdealist main character into tiny bits. Then in the last few episodes, [[spoiler: [[MagicalQueer Fr]][[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy anz]] pulls the whole series up into the Idealistic end by its bootlaces.]] |
| 68 | * ''Manga/{{Gantz}}'': |
| 69 | ** Kei Kurono and most of the other characters are selfish and cynical, while Kato is more idealistic and tries to save everyone. ''Gantz'' generally retains its cynical edge throughout the course of the manga, though a few idealistic moments have cropped up briefly throughout the series, such as Kurono's development into more of a leader-figure, becoming less selfish and more heroic, as well as when most of the Gantz crew who had survived and attained 100 points at the time used their 100 points to resurrect one of Kurono's dead friends from the Gantz database. Like ''Berserk'' above, Gantz almost sidesteps the entire issue by being utterly fatalistic. Neither the cynical or the idealistic characters seem to have any particular advantage in the practical business of survival, but the idealistic ones at least tend to be happier until they inevitably get killed in the most gruesome way possible. |
| 70 | ** It's worth noting that, despite Gantz being in the cynical end of the scale, its ending (despite some bleak moments beforehand) is somewhat idealistic for humanity and the protagonists. It ironically contrasts with ''Manga/{{Inuyashiki}}'', which is more idealistic overall (despite being equally brutal in its depiction of human cruelty), but has a BittersweetEnding. |
| 71 | * ''Manga/GetterRobo'': |
| 72 | ** The series slides back and forth due to its different adaptations and its [[AntiHero heroic anti-heroes]] to [[SociopathicHero outright insane ones]]. TV series is idealistic for kids, but ''New'' and ''Armageddon'' are dark, depressing, and gory. At the end, however, it comes to the same result: three Getter pilots piloting their TransformingMecha and beating every evil up with their overwhelming [[HotBlooded willpower]] (and [[CallingYourAttacks shouting volume]]). |
| 73 | ** At the same time, ''Getter Robo Saga'' is completely cynical. This is a manga series where killing a hundred people to save millions is always the unquestionably right thing to do, any peace between the major enemy factions is fundamentally impossible, and so the war will inevitably continue endlessly escalating into the far future no matter what you do. |
| 74 | * ''Manga/GoodnightPunpun'' ''definitely'' falls into the cynical side, with its characters depicted having issues. Yes, even the kindest ones. The protagonist Punpun started off as an idealistic, naive and innocent child, but grows up to an abusive, cynical {{Jerkass}} due to the abuse and neglect that happened to him in his life. And then the manga ends with [[spoiler: him not getting his love and said girl commiting suicide.]] |
| 75 | * ''Anime/GhostInTheShellStandAloneComplex'' may seem like a rather cynical show at first, placing its characters in the middle of a CrapsackWorld and forcing them to make difficult moral decisions almost daily. However, the show seems more idealistic when it's taken into consideration that these people are the only force protecting society from complete destruction and ultimately their intentions are good - [[CowboyCop even if their methods are sometimes questionable]]. |
| 76 | * The ''Franchise/{{Gundam}}'' franchise is all over the scale.: |
| 77 | ** In general, the Universal Century is widely regarded as the most cynical timeline because of Tomino's [[CreatorBreakdown combat with depression]], conflict with Sunrise, and hatred against Japan's actions and attitude towards UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. It's a continual CycleOfRevenge between the Earth Federation and the Space Colonies even though some works do have a tinge of idealism to it, as evidenced best by the massive ToneShift between ''[[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Zeta Gundam]]'' and ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ Gundam ZZ]]'' and the ones in some of the [=OVAs=] and Compilation Movies. |
| 78 | ** The [[Anime/MobileFighterGGundam Future Century]] on the other hand, is far more idealistic. Although it takes place in a CrapsackWorld with plenty of corruption and SceneryGorn, it is also the only timeline that actually found a way to end mass-casualty warfare; the problem is fixing the system used to replace it. |
| 79 | ** [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing After Colony]] features heavily damaged ChildSoldiers. It proceeds to [[BreakTheCutie break]] the pilots who didn't come pre-broken, and then breaks the ChildSoldiers again for good measure. There are twisted politics that leave the heroes as continual [[UnwittingPawn Unwitting Pawns]], and the destruction of many colonies and nations but does not kill them all and ultimately presents an idealistic message about pacifism and the ability of people to heal. |
| 80 | ** [[Anime/AfterWarGundamX The After War era]] starts off as a CrapsackWorld in the culmination of an apocalyptic war and a mass ColonyDrop leading to the death of 99% of the human race, and everyone trying to survive by whatever means necessary. However, it gets much better. In the end, the Frost Brothers are defeated, the Satellite System is destroyed, the myth of Newtypes as weapons of war or the next step of human evolution, which drove the world-ending war in the first place, is refuted, and the warmongering leaders of the New Earth Federation and the Space Colonies are both wiped out (by the [[NiceJobFixingItVillain Frost Brothers]]). Ultimately, the remnants of the governments finally make peace with each other, and the various protagonists all survive in a world that is gradually recovering, making this one of the most idealistic series in the franchise to date. |
| 81 | ** The [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED Cosmic]] [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Era]] is widely considered as one of the darkest of the non-UC Gundam timelines due to the EvilVersusEvil nature of the conflict. One faction is controlled by a [[FantasticRacism genocidal terrorist organization]] while the other is turning into an increasingly militaristic regime built on [[SuperiorSpecies genetic supremacism]]. Both sides are equally willing to [[LeaveNoSurvivors slaughter prisoners]], [[ThePurge purge dissidents]], [[NukeEm use WMDs on their enemies and allies alike]], and [[ForScience conduct depraved science experiments with no regard for human life]]. By the end of the First Bloody Valentine War, the leaders of both have the stated goal of [[FinalSolution wiping out the other to the last person]]. However, despite all this, the timeline has an idealistic bent, emphasizing [[OnlySaneMan Kira, Lacus, Athrun and their friends]] alongside all the decent people from both sides coming together to prevent their genocidal leadership from destroying everything, and ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSeedDestiny SEED Destiny]]'' ends on a note implying that things can finally change for the better and that Naturals and Coordinators can overcome their hatreds given time and the removal of those who had been exploiting said hatreds for their own agendas. |
| 82 | ** The first season of [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Anno Domini]] starts as a cynical story. The heroes are part of what is arguably a terrorist organization trying to end war by brute force, and all of them are [[DarkAndTroubledPast deeply scarred]] in one way or another. Governments are corrupt, and war-crazy monsters are powerful and dangerous. [[DownerEnding As a result, the first season ends on a decidedly unhappy note]]. In the second season, idealism begins to triumph over the angst episode by episode, followed by [[BittersweetEnding a cautiously upbeat ending]]. [[Anime/Gundam00AWakeningOfTheTrailblazer The Movie]] moves this timeline firmly on the idealistic end, showing that even the most war-weary of soldiers can find true understanding even if it takes a long time to do so. |
| 83 | ** The [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamAge Advanced Generation]] starts out as idealistic in the First generation before veering down into cynicism in the Second Generation only to end with an idealistic ending in the third, with Flit Asuno going from WideEyedIdealist to a genocidal KnightTemplar seeking to destroy the Vagans for all the trauma he has suffered, Asemu deciding that the only way to keep both sides from destroying each other is to keep things at a stalemated ForeverWar, and Kio's attempts to connect with his foes met with repeated failure. The Vagans, meanwhile, see-saw from [[HiddenAgendaVillain enigmatic villains]] to [[AntiVillain legitimately aggrieved]] only to lose all sympathy with TheReveal of their leader's true goal. That said, despite everything being set up for a truly blood-soaked finale, the series ends on a idealistic note despite all the death with Kio's efforts bearing fruit, Flit and even Ezelcant letting go of their hatred, both sides working together to save the Second Moon and the implication in the final scene that humanity is moving towards a better future. |
| 84 | ** The [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamIronBloodedOrphans Post Disaster]] timeline is perhaps the most cynical setting since the Universal Century. Taking place in a setting where children are treated as worth less than dirt and have a short life expectancy. Orga's attempt forms the group Tekkadan after forming a mutiny slowly loses their idealism to the realities of war when Biscuit dies but was still able to go back towards the middle of the scale by defeating their enemies and securing a future for themselves but at the cost to the stability of the world they live on as more children end up being enslaved and sent to fight. In the second season, things get even worse as he and many others die in a futile coup against the BigBad of the series and Tekkadan is forever vilified as a result of aligning themselves with [=McGillis=] as people close them are killed in the process. While some of the secondary members of Tekkadan were spared, all the main characters in Tekkadan would perish from the struggle and the antagonist emerging victorious and the surviving idealists also becoming fully cynical in process in spite of an attempt by Rustal trying to create a world that would not have more people like them. |
| 85 | ** The [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamTheWitchFromMercury Ad Stella]] is one of the most idealistic timelines in the franchise, ending in a finale with virtually no character deaths and Suletta forcing a solution that keeps everyone alive, even seemingly doomed characters like Ericht. The ending shows every character living in peace and moving on with their lives. |
| 86 | ** And finally the [[Anime/TurnAGundam Correct Century]] displays WhiteAndGreyMorality, with a conflict largely stemming from [[PoorCommunicationKills misunderstandings]] and confusion between two societies rebuilt after a [[ApocalypseHow world-ending war]]. TheHero is also an AllLovingHero, and both sides are portrayed as not being evil. [[spoiler:The reason it's at the end? The Correct Century is the DistantFinale to every other Gundam timeline.]] |
| 87 | * ''Anime/GunXSword'' is a cynical look at revenge plots. Unlike the usual shounen storyline where the main character gets over his desire for revenge. Van goes through with his revenge plot against the Clawed Man. On the other hand, it is also more idealistic look at revenge plot as even though Van goes through with his revenge, he holds onto his kind nature and gains a group of friends who support him. This is contrasted with Ray, another person with the revenge plot against the Clawed Man, who pursues his vendetta with no remorse, alienates everyone else around him, and ends up getting himself killed. |
| 88 | * ''Literature/HaruhiSuzumiya'' plays around with this quite a bit. The dual protagonists Haruhi and Kyon both start out cynical, since they haven't been able to find anything "interesting" (supernatural or otherworldly). Haruhi soon decides to ''make'' the world interesting through sheer hyperactive charisma, and becomes much more idealistic; Kyon continues acting aloof and cynical, but he still hangs around with Haruhi because she really is making his life more interesting, [[UnreliableNarrator even if he won't admit it]]. The whole situation is pretty ironic, too, because Haruhi becomes idealistic without finding any of the things she was looking for [[LockedOutOfTheLoop (as far as she knows)]], while Kyon remains cynical even though he's in exactly the position he fantasized about in the beginning of the first book (the [[DeadpanSnarker snarky sidekick]] to a group of superpower-equipped characters). Kyon eventually admits his idealistic leanings in the fourth book / TheMovie by [[spoiler:choosing to recreate Haruhi's unstable and "more fun" world instead of keeping the simplified and realistic world Yuki created]], but he remains externally cynical so he can keep his role as a {{foil}} to Haruhi. |
| 89 | * ''Webcomic/HetaliaAxisPowers'': |
| 90 | ** The characters are countries, and the series is most of the time idealistic, with none of the characters being really evil and [[TheDitz Italy]] never really getting into serious trouble. The anime has his cynical moments, for example, when the Baltic states have to live under Russias rule, but there are a lot of scenes that are pretty heartwarming such as Poland saying he'll try to be less selfish in the future, or [[JerkassWithAHeartofGold South Italy]] thanking Spain after Spain fought Turkey for him. It should also be noted that while some countries sometimes behave nasty and violent, it usually doesn't end well for them. Prussia, who laughs about Austria after he defeated him in the Seven Years' War, gets beaten up by Hungary [[note]] In RealLife, Prussia got dissolved after UsefulNotes/WorldWarII because the Allies saw the country as too militaristic. Can be seen as example for violence being no solution. [[/note]], and Russia, who wants to get friends, has the problem that everyone is scared about him. |
| 91 | ** The movie falls firmly on the idealistic side with the countries, despite their differences, working together to fight an alien invasion. It turns out that [[spoiler:the aliens only invaded because they didn't know what fun is. They leave peacefully after Italy shows them]]. |
| 92 | * ''Manga/HunterXHunter'' is perhaps one of the more cynical shonen works out there. The main characters struggle a lot through their journey, quest and hardships, and the heroic side often lacks and loses a lot of support on their side, and don't always achieve what they originally aimed for. The series also views the shonen hero mentality in a cynical way with Gon, and twists what makes it a strength for him into flaws that bite him back often-- as it frequently gets him into trouble and is seen as alien and insane in-universe. The Chimera Ant arc for example is a ''very'' good proof to show how cynical the series can be. HumansAreBastards is the one of the major themes for the arc, there are ''a lot'' of sacrifices made in this arc, and the "supposed" heroes start doing a lot of morally questionable actions in the battle against Chimera Ants, [[spoiler:especially when Gon becomes so much of an AntiHero that he actually threatens to kill someone innocent, and that the humans actually ''cheat'' to win against the Chimera Ants by using [[NukeEm the Rose.]]]] |
| 93 | * ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' remains on optimistic ends despite different moods, settings, and characterizations of multiple story arcs. |
| 94 | * ''Manga/KagerouNostalgia'' is what happens when you take typical shonen archetypes, and drop them off in a CrapsackWorld. |
| 95 | ** So far, the heroes have achieved absolutely nothing, beyond getting their leader killed, the villain's plans are moving closer to fruition, and the miserable status quo is firmly in place. To quote TheHero, Kazuma: "In the end we were powerless. Again. We fought like mad, but all that's ever left is the devastation." |
| 96 | ** The main cast only achieved victory in the first one by sacrificing themselves, only to be reincarnated along with their foes in the sequel, without the help of the princess this time around. |
| 97 | * Despite being largely grounded in reality and acting as a DeconstructorFleet for romcom manga, ''Manga/KaguyaSamaLoveIsWar'' is still largely ''highly'' idealistic. It says things such as "Love is more complicated than in fiction, but it's still worth pursuing" and "Hard work pays off, but only if you work on the right things", and largely acts more as a {{Reconstruction}} than a {{Deconstruction}}. Iino, who strives for justice and good morals, is treated as naive, but mainly for her black-and-white perception of morality rather than her idealistic pursuits at large. Meanwhile, the more cynical characters such as Ishigami generally come around to seeing things in a more optimistic light after witnessing human kindness in full force. |
| 98 | * ''Literature/KinosJourney'' has the tag line, "The world is not beautiful, therefore it is." Kino's world is full of wicked people living in harsh conditions and under bizarre and even insane and oppressive laws. Yet at the same time these dark and cruel parts of the world make the few good parts seem all the better. Kino meets idealists and cynics all throughout her journey, each one with their own thoughts and opinions on the state of the world or more often the country they live. The most prominent example of the series' contrast between cynicism and idealism is the episode "Her Journey -Love and Bullets-" in which a young woman and a man traveling together cross paths with Kino. The woman claims to be on a quest to bring peace to the world and proclaim the glory of pacifism. Kino asks how she could have survived this journey so long without encountering any danger that would have to be solved with violence. To which the woman responds that she doesn't know, she has always assumed that they've just been lucky. [[spoiler:The truth is the man traveling with her has quietly killed off anyone in their path who might make themselves a problem. He kept this a secret because he loves her and doesn't want to shatter her vision of an ideal world.]] |
| 99 | * Like ''Manga/{{Akira}}'', ''Anime/KotouraSan'' starts out on the incredibly cynical side of the spectrum, but gradually becomes more and more idealistic as the TwelveEpisodeAnime progresses on. |
| 100 | * ''Literature/KyoKaraMaoh'' is thoroughly idealistic. The idealistic Yuuri is always right; the bad guys can always be redeemed, and everything turns out for the best. The more cynical Wolfram [[TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong is always proven wrong]]. |
| 101 | * ''Manga/LoveSoLife'' is so far on the idealistic side of things, it's basically hovering in its own bubble filled with puppies and rainbows. And this is despite the series being filled with ParentalAbandonment - the main twins' father ran away and left them in his brother's care after his wife died; Shiharu lost her parents while very young; Matsunaga's mother was not all that present in her sons' lives - and the difficulties that raising children can bring, especially if one is not entirely prepared for it. |
| 102 | * ''Franchise/LupinIII'', being a LongRunner, is all over the place. |
| 103 | ** The manga, as well as entries that take after it (early ''[[Anime/LupinIIIPart1 Green Jacket]]'', ''[[Anime/LupinIIITheWomanCalledFujikoMine The Woman Called Fujiko Mine]]'') is extremely cynical, with ruthless VillainProtagonist that are more than willing to brutally maim and kill anyone in their way. (In the manga, this even extends to outright ''rape''.) Occasionally, you get something like ''[[Anime/LupinIIIIslandOfAssassins Island of Assassins]]'', which is a very cynical film with an outright DownerEnding, but has the protagonists be much more likable. |
| 104 | ** Most of the works in the franchise, particularly the ones made after ''Anime/TheCastleOfCagliostro'', are much more idealistic. The protagonists are LovableRogue who don't do anything ''that'' bad and can generally be counted on to do the right thing, and most of the truly evil people get what they deserve, whether it being prison or being outright killed. |
| 105 | * ''Franchise/LyricalNanoha'': |
| 106 | ** The MagicalGirl genre is idealistic. ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'', as mentioned under VideoGames, is idealistic. Put them together and you get ''Franchise/LyricalNanoha'', where [[AntiVillain villains who can be redeemed]] [[HeelFaceTurn will be redeemed]] [[DefeatMeansFriendship after they get beaten around a bit]], [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman anyone who acts human will be treated as a person]] regardless of how they [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots were]] [[{{Cyborg}} born]], all [[ParentalAbandonment orphaned]] and {{artificial|Human}} children will eventually find [[HappilyAdopted a loving family they can go home to]], and all {{Smug Snake}}s will receive a well-deserved (and painful) end. |
| 107 | ** ''Force'' takes a shift to a much more cynical end. |
| 108 | *** The main character Touma goes through something similar to what Nagi went through in ''Manga/TenjhoTenge'' (being an UnwittingPawn). The Huckbein need to kill to keep TheCorruption at bay and MysteriousWaif Lily is a source of said corruption? Also the first battle against the Huckbein does NOT go well for the heroes. |
| 109 | *** The first battle never goes well for the heroes. During the first encounter in ''A's'' both Nanoha and Fate get their weapons destroyed and Nanoha gets hospitalized. If the heroes always won, there'd be no chance for growth. |
| 110 | * ''Anime/{{Macross}}'': |
| 111 | ** The franchise in general is very much on the idealistic end of the scale with its themes of how understanding, love and music can overcome all odds and convert the most alien of foes into friends. |
| 112 | ** ''Anime/Macross7'', which straddles the line between RealRobotGenre and SuperRobotGenre, is about as idealistic as it gets. During the first few episodes, the main character looks like a fish-out-of-water ActualPacifist trying to end a space war by SINGING AT PEOPLE while they're killing each other and one side is [[spoiler: eating the other's souls in order to fully awaken {{Eldritch Abomination}}s that will bring about TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt]]. And, at the end, [[HeelFaceTurn it works]] [[RedemptionEarnsLife in the best way possible]]. |
| 113 | * ''Manga/MagilumiereCoLtd'': The titular company's idealistic approach to handling Kaii outbreaks involves surveying the area and coming up with an extermination method tailor made to be as magic efficient and inflict as little collateral damage as possible. This clashes with the cynical modus operandi of most corporations in the series, who believe this method is a waste of time and prefer to blast the Kaii (and often its surroundings) with as much magic as possible in order to process more requests per day and generate maximum profit. President Shigemoto's goal is to prove to the world that Magilumiere's careful but considerate way of doing things has merit in this industry. |
| 114 | * ''Literature/MariaWatchesOverUs'' is famous for being ''the'' most idealized all-girl high school setting ever. Almost everybody is well-meaning, conflicts are mostly settled by ''communicating'', and there are no bullies for miles around, when in reality it's rare to find 16-year-olds who are both that responsible and still that fun-loving. Heck, [[GenericCuteness even acne seems to have been mostly abolished]]. It also lacks any actual {{Gayngst}} or homophobia. |
| 115 | * ''Anime/MartianSuccessorNadesico'': |
| 116 | ** Explored via the ShowWithinAShow ''Gekiganger 3'', which as an old-school SuperRobotGenre series is pretty much set all the way towards idealism, while ''Nadesico'' itself is a great deal more cynical. Certain characters in the show try to emulate the worldview of ''Gekiganger'', and it never goes well. [[spoiler:"TheEvilEmpire [of Earth] must be destroyed! This is the true meaning of Gekigangar!"]] Poor, Poor Tsukomo Shiratori... |
| 117 | ** How bad does it get? In [[TheMovie Prince Of Darkness]], [[spoiler:Akito [[ShaggyDogStory loses Yurika, loses his sense of of smell and taste]] and reduced to a hardened man who becomes TheUnfettered.]] |
| 118 | * Even though they have plenty instances of dark, cynical moments, ''Anime/MazingerZ'' and its sequels - ''Anime/GreatMazinger'' and ''Anime/UFORoboGrendizer''- fall firmly into the idealistic side. When push came to shove, it was through courage, guts, faith and ThePowerOfFriendship the heroes and heroines managed to prevail. It is a stark contrast to another work of Creator/GoNagai, ''Manga/{{Devilman}}'', that is completely cynical and dark. |
| 119 | * ''Manga/{{Monster}}'' makes a major point about exploring the contrasts between the characters regarding morality. [[AllLovingHero Idealistic]] Doctor Tenma never gives in and loses his belief in the good nature of all people. His direct counterpart is [[{{Ubermensch}} murderous and downright evil]] Johan, who uses people without second thoughts just to prove Tenma wrong. Caught between them is Nina, who is generally a kind hearted person, but over the course of the story becomes more and more willing to resort to methods of increasingly questionable quality. Last are [[InspectorJavert Inspector Lunge]] and [[StalkerWithACrush embittered]] Eva, who really can't decide on which side they want to stand. |
| 120 | * ''Literature/MyYouthRomanticComedyIsWrongAsIExpected'' relies ''far'' on the cynical end of the scale, which makes it stand out considering [[RomanticComedy its genre]]. The main protagonist Hachiman and his fellow club member Yukino have very twisted and pessimistic views on their surroundings, and the story seems to generally agree with them. The characters are also portrayed to be more cynical and insecure of themselves than they appear to be, and each of them hides their problems beneath their lively facades. |
| 121 | * Despite being set in a heavily militarized world full of deception and some of the fandom's wishes to the contrary, ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' is quite clearly on the idealistic side, as emphasized by the "Will of Fire" held by the protagonists and most associated with them, the spirit that is able to turn about any creature in the world from cynical towards idealistic, just by talking to them! Though, of the few who have so far proven to be immune to it, such as Danzo, who believes that people are [[Series/{{Scrubs}} bastard coated bastards with bastard filling]] and that the only way to protect Konoha is to make Konoha stronger. [[spoiler:Problem is, his reasoning is pretty faulty, since a lot of the crap the idealists had to go through were the direct or indirect result of him ''also'' acting like a bastard...]] |
| 122 | ** On the cynical side, we have Sasuke, who believes that [[MurderIsTheBestSolution murder and more murder is the only way to solve your problems and make everything better]]. No matter whether or not they had anything even ''remotely'' connected to those problems, or even whether [[spoiler:they're your teammates or not]]. If Danzou thinks people are [[Series/{{Scrubs}} bastard coated bastards with bastard filling]], then Sasuke thinks everyone and everything is [[PsychopathicManchild meaningless before his wants and desires.]] |
| 123 | ** The sliding scale is an important part of [[spoiler:Nagato's]] backstory. When he was younger, [[spoiler:Nagato]] was a member of an organization that tried to end the wars that devastated their homeland without resorting to violence. The leader of their village views this group as a threat, so he [[spoiler:leads Nagato, Konan, and Yahiko, who is the leader of the group, into a trap under the guise of peace talks. He captures Konan and forces Nagato to kill Yahiko to save her.]] This incident causes [[spoiler:Nagato]] to abandon his idealistic beliefs and turn to a more cynical solution for bringing world peace that involves [[spoiler:creating a weapon that will cause immense destruction so that people will be too afraid to go to war]]. [[spoiler:Nagato's]] cynical views come into conflict with Naruto's idealism when [[spoiler:he invades Konoha. Ultimately, seeing Naruto's beliefs reminds Nagato of how he used to be, and he chooses to [[RedemptionEqualsDeath sacrifice himself]] to undo some of the destruction he caused]]. |
| 124 | ** This is ultimately the core theme in the battle between [[spoiler:Naruto and [[EvilCounterpart Obito]]. In a series with a focus on parallels and GenerationXerox, Obito is arguably the biggest parallel to Naruto, with characters such as Kakashi and Obito and Naruto themselves noting the similarities between the two in their youth. However, [[StrawNihilist Obito eventually gave up on the world due to how much pain and suffering it causes]], [[WideEyedIdealist whereas Naruto continues to fight for a better world.]] Obito, believing that Naruto will grow to become like him, even tries to speed up the process. In the end however, it is ultimately Naruto who wins and reminds Obito of the good person he once was and to be that person again.]] |
| 125 | ** You could say that Naruto's conflicts always come down to this - his idealism vs. his opponents' cynicism. Naruto vs Haku (though he didn't even have to try with him), Zabuza, Neji, Gaara, Sasuke, Nagato... All the major opponents end up with Naruto either succeeding or failing in changing their lives. [[spoiler:This is probably the real reason why he wants to beat Sasuke: because he tried and failed to do this. At the very end of the series, he finally succeeds]]. |
| 126 | * One of the recurring themes in the ''Manga/NegimaMagisterNegiMagi'' manga is the contrast between [[WideEyedIdealist Negi's idealism]] and [[CynicalMentor Eva's cynicism]]. They eventually start rubbing off on each other. As a whole, ''Negima'' starts out with a very idealistic tone, but becomes more and more cynical as it goes on, mirroring Negi's growing maturity and his realization that the world isn't always a nice place, and that while you can be idealistic, you had better be willing to ''fight'' for it. And with the recently revealed stakes of that fight, boy is it on now! |
| 127 | * ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' is an example of a ''very'' cynical series; many of the characters love or hate others (or themselves) for shallow and petty but realistic reasons. And in later episodes, many of the characters' [[DarkAndTroubledPast back]][[FreudianExcuse stories]] are revealed to be nightmarish and hellish. And don't even get started on ''End''... The message of the show can be considered ultimately idealistic; that, if these characters could reach the togetherness and love that they yearn for, everything would be all right. Whether the events of the show bear that out is hotly debated. The show (and movie) intentionally don't bear that out because one of the prevailing points is that the above ideal is impossible to attain. "Hedgehog's Dilemma" and all that. |
| 128 | ** Your mileage will really vary on this one. Many people find the series cynical due to the brutality, the characterization, the CosmicHorrorStory implication, etc, but many others also find it rather uplifting. You can't say a series is 100% cynical with the lines "Anywhere can be paradise as long as you have the will to live." Even the last scene is debatable, as [[spoiler:people debate whether or not Shinji and Asuka are the last humans alive, whether they'll get along, whether they'll become romantically involved, whether humanity would return, and whether they're both over their psychological trauma, especially when one considers Asuka and Shinji essentially had their entire world views uprooted and altered.]] In other words: ''Eva'' broke the scale. |
| 129 | ** As a backlash to how cynical ''Neon Genesis'' often is, ''Anime/RebuildOfEvangelion'' falls more towards the middle. The world is still a CosmicHorrorStory filled with broken people who do horrific things, but those broken people are actually willing to fix themselves this time around. ''3.0'' leans much more heavily into the cynicism due to [[spoiler:the dark imagery of the Third Impact and Shinji’s TraumaCongaLine]], but unlike ''End'' [[spoiler:there are a lot of people who survived Third Impact and want to step up and make the world better, unlike before where most of humanity accepted Instrumentality with no questions asked.]] It’s position on the scale is probably best indicated in the climax of ''3.0+1.0'': [[spoiler: Shinji and his father battle in robots that are one foot into being EldritchAbominations in an EldritchLocation that regularly borders on fourth wall breaking, but it ends with Gendo and Shinji actually talking for once and Gendo admitting his flaws before helping create a better world.]] The world sucks, but you can fight for it to be better. |
| 130 | ** Say hello to ''Anime/PetitEva: Evangelion @ School'', ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' as taken, kicking and screaming, over to the "Idealism" side of the scale. While seeing [=NGE=] characters in a lighthearted GagSeries is a bit jarring, it's certainly not a bad lighthearted GagSeries. |
| 131 | * ''Manga/OnaniMasterKurosawa'', which starts off as a parody of ''Manga/DeathNote,'' begins ''extremely'' cynically, with the first few chapters starting off as a showcase for all of the jackassery that [[TeensAreMonsters goes on in middle school]]--protagonist Kurosawa is a misanthropic, misogynist creep who spends his time masturbating in an unused bathroom, local AlphaBitch Sugawa is quite shockingly cruel, and even the most sympathetic-seeming character, Kitahara, quickly proves to be a JerkassWoobie with a ''hugely'' vindictive streak. Then into the story walks [[AerithAndBob Magister]] Takigawa, a sweet, intelligent girl without a hateful bone in her body. Her [[spoiler: [[TheReveal reveal]] of her backstory, of how she found the power within herself to become who she wanted to be,]] and the changes this inflicts on Kurosawa, is just the first sign that the manga is headed on a non-stop collision course to becoming [[spoiler: one of the most unflinchingly and unapologetically idealistic manga out there. And it's idealist in the ''traditional'' sense, in that although the road to personal growth and happiness is often fraught with hardships, friends, and the satisfaction of being the person you always wanted to be, make it worth it]]. |
| 132 | * The works by manga artist ''Creator/{{ONE}}'', ''Webcomic/OnePunchMan'' and ''Webcomic/MobPsycho100'' have an idealistic outlook, despite a seemingly cynical setting. Characters learn to live happy lives through personal struggle and [[EarnYourHappyEnding working on self-improvement]]. |
| 133 | ** ''One Punch Man'' leans a little closer to the middle likely due to Saitama being so powerful that he can easily kill any enemy with ''one punch''. This usually renders characters goals completely meaningless and everyone starts to get a little too depressed as a result. This doesn't mean that it isn't leaning on the idealistic side as characters are fighting in the face of danger and they are finding ways to get satisfaction. |
| 134 | ** ''Mob Psycho 100'' is more on the idealistic side than ''One Punch Man'' likely due to the main character, Mob, being able to find ways to help him become a better human being which will help him lead a more full-filling life. |
| 135 | * At first it seemed ''Manga/OnePiece'' is overwhelmingly positive, but soon it was revealed that it was actually more along the lines of [[CrapsaccharineWorld a world existing firmly on the cynical end of the scale]] while the story itself rotates around a group placed about as solidly as possible on the idealistic end. So, it's actually on both ends of the scales at once, in a sorta in-universe meta way. Of course, after the recent [[WhamEpisode chain of events]] it still remains to be seen if the things stay this way. And if they don't, they almost certainly will be sliding towards the cynical end. Actually, definitely, given that there's no more room left on the idealistic side to slide towards... |
| 136 | * Being a {{shonen}}, ''Manga/OsomatsuKun'' fell mostly onto the idealistic side. Its sequel, ''Anime/OsomatsuSan'', a {{Josei}}, falls onto the cynical side. The brothers are now LazyBum {{Manchild}} {{NEET}}s [[{{Dismotivation}} that stay that way]] in a ComedicSociopathy-ridden show. |
| 137 | * ''Manga/{{Parasyte}}'' uses this trope as the driving motivation of its duo protagonist Shinichi and Migi. At the start of the series, Shinichi is the idealistic one, believing that he would never kill people while Migi has no qualms about killing his own kind. As the series progresses however, Shinichi becomes more cynical while Migi grows to be more idealistic. |
| 138 | ** By the end of the series however it seems to fall to the idealistic side as humans and parasytes were able to settle their disputes and coexist together. |
| 139 | * ''Manga/{{Planetes}}'' often contrasts Tanneries' idealism with Hachimaki's cynicism (taking a downward spiral into outright pessimism after a while). [[spoiler: Idealism wins in the end. Even with the terrorists.]] |
| 140 | * The ''Anime/PrettyCure'' series is easily an idealistic series, even with its more [[DarkerAndEdgier dramatic and serious]] (for its kind) installments, namely ''Anime/DokiDokiPrecure'', ''Anime/FutariWaPrettyCureSplashStar, Anime/HeartcatchPrettyCure'', and ''Anime/HappinessChargePrettyCure''. ''Anime/GoPrincessPrettyCure'' tweaks it a little; At the start, it can be easily said as one of, if not ''the'' most idealistic entry in the franchise, but it soon turns out to be more cynical than it appears to be, as it goes into great lengths to show the struggles and the hard choices the main girls have to make in the process of achieving their goals. They usually prevail in it, but it comes at a fairly great cost. By the end, it pretty much sits on the middle of the scale. [[spoiler:The main villain (through her [[TheDragon Dragon]]) is actually ''still alive'' in the end, making it the first time in the franchise to not have the BigBad redeemed or outright killed off in the end-- and the main character justifies it by saying that despair is a normal thing to experience and feel. Also, the girls end up achieving their dreams, but have to separate with each other as a result.]] |
| 141 | * In ''Manga/PrincessTutu'', Ahiru/Duck stops most of her "enemies" by dancing with them and making them understand the feeling that is disturbing their life. And she eventually manages to [[spoiler: befriend the unprepared villain Kraehe/Rue]]. Mind you, it ''does'' take a kickass {{swordfight}} in an atmosphere of apocalyptic gloom to triumph over the BigBad. [[spoiler:Then again, it's not so nice an ending for Ahiru herself, who has to return to being a duck and thus lose her humanity and her true love for good. Apparently the PowerOfLove has limits after all. Still, ''she'' seems perfectly happy with how things work out. Being a duck isn't all that bad -- it's what she really is, and she gets to be with Fakir anyway. Plus her friends get to live happily ever after -- really, what more could she possibly ask for? (And she can still dance!)]] |
| 142 | * ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'': |
| 143 | ** The anime starts out on the far cynical side of the scale, with a harsh look at the MagicalGirl genre coupled with a general theme of BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor. It doesn't matter what the {{Magical Girl}}s [[spoiler:who are [[OurLichesAreDifferent liches]] fated to become the same [[EldritchAbomination abominations]] that they have been fighting]] do, they are doomed from the very beginning [[spoiler:especially if they find out that they were deceived into a DealWithTheDevil]]. [[spoiler:It then quickly veers onto the more idealistic side of the scale when Madoka, who could be said to be one of the most idealistic characters shown, performs a HeroicSacrifice and AbstractApotheosis, making sure with her own hands that no magical girl in the past, present, and future ever becomes a witch, up to and including herself. But wraiths have replaced the witches as the bringers of grief, though [[AllThereInTheManual supplemental material]] indicates that their only strength is in numbers, with each individual wraith being weaker than a single witch; {{Magical Girl}}s vanish once their [[SoulJar Soul Gems]] completely darken, though it is implied that Madoka takes them to what may be some sort of afterlife.]] |
| 144 | ** Then came ''[[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaTheMovieRebellion Rebellion]]'', and Kyubey's and Homura's attempts to outdo each other drove the cynicism even further. |
| 145 | * The CrapsackWorld of ''Literature/RebuildWorld'' punishes naivety. Akira learned from an early age to be suspicious of everyone given how he was constantly abandoned by those who offered him food and a place to stay once he outlived his usefulness. His ruthlessness saves his life on multiple occasions when he's forced into a firefight. But that doesn't mean that compassion is out of place in the setting, as Akira's decision to kill a gang he deemed a threat saves two women who become supportive mentor figures to him. In short, carving out a life in the slums of Kusugayama means knowing who your friends and your enemies are. Akira is rewarded for showing kindness to those deserving of it even when he's motivated by self-interest as well as when he's ProperlyParanoid and ruthless enough to know who to pump full of lead. |
| 146 | * ''Anime/RevolutionaryGirlUtena'', the first big {{Deconstruction}} of the MagicalGirl genre, plants itself in the middle of the spectrum, refuses to budge, and lets the characters and plot (and audience) fight over it to whatever extremes they please. |
| 147 | * The emperor's first major edict in ''Manga/RurouniKenshin'' was to move from realism (the "realistic" [=OVA=]) to idealism (the more lighthearted series) This is why so many of the more violent characters are upset: all the idealism keeps the body count low. |
| 148 | ** Both the series and the OVA are based on the same manga, which manages to juggle both extremes (yes, even in the flashback the OVA is based on, making it less angsty and more humane than the anime version), though as a shounen fight manga it leans toward optimism. |
| 149 | ** Kenshin himself plays with this trope right in the first episode, when stating that Kaoru's idealistic views on the art of the sword are childish and naive, and that weapons are for killing and nothing more. He ends his commentary by stating that he actually preferred Kaoru's way of thinking and would love nothing more than if it were reality. |
| 150 | ** The [=OVAs=] came after the TV series (in Japan at least). |
| 151 | * ''Manga/SailorMoon'' is an excellent example of an idealistic series; the more cynical and ruthless Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune's plans to sacrifice themselves (and a few other, unwilling, folk) for the greater good failed (and had absolutely no chances of success, when they attempted it the second time), while AllLovingHero Sailor Moon's determination to stop the BigBad without anyone dying saved them all. Notably, Sailor Moon and two of the {{Big Bad}}s actually get into arguments centered around this trope during their confrontations, with the villains insisting that the world is hopelessly rotten and Sailor Moon stalwartly refusing to give up hope and belief in people's goodness. The fact, that both of these {{Big Bad}}s were somewhere between BrainwashedAndCrazy and suffering a full-scale DemonicPossession at the time, says everything you need to know about the actual stance of this series. |
| 152 | * ''Manga/SaintSeiya'' is interesting in that its characters are all over the scale. Among the main five, with Dragon Shiryuu representing the pinnacle of idealism and Phoenix Ikki the pinnacle of cynicism, and the rest falling in between (Andromeda Shun, for instance, hates violence and is quite idealistic, but suffers often doubts himself and wonders if this idealism makes him weaker). The series itself does end up landing on the side of idealism; for instance, Cancer Deathmask's belief that "history is WrittenByTheVictors" is challenged by Roshi ("Evil will always be evil") and proven to be false when Dragon Shiryuu defeats Deathmask. |
| 153 | * ''VisualNovel/SchoolDays'''s infamous anime adaptation is completely cynical [[spoiler:with two out of the three main characters winding up dead and the third one going off the deep end.]] The original visual novel, however, zig-zags the scale considerably, as while it's virtually impossible for you to stop the main characters from acting like idiots and making bad decisions, trying to be a good guy whenever you can ultimately pays off. It's only when you deliberately encourage the protagonist's bad decisions that you get the game's infamous bad endings. |
| 154 | * ''Manga/{{Servamp}}'', being a shonen/josei hybrid, tends to lapse more towards the idealistic side. Sometimes, things may seem broken, but we could fix it. |
| 155 | ** This was exactly the case with Kuro, who regretted his choice all the time. His more idealistic Eve Mahiru pulls him out of his depression. |
| 156 | ** One more such pair is Licht and his Servamp, Lawless. The latter is very cynical and thinks of humans as fragile, but his eve disagrees with his mindset. Licht is very idealistic, and believes firmly that there is noting like talent, and if one tries hard enough they can do anything. Their opposite mindsets cause them to clash a LOT. |
| 157 | * The final series of ''Literature/ShakuganNoShana'' boils down to this when [[spoiler:The protagonist Yuji defects to the enemies they are fighting up until then in order to form a plan that will put an end to their hidden war by creating a new world. The Flame Haze believe the plan is too risky making them come seem very cynical to not give it a second thought since the thousands of years of hidden war clearly isn't working. The Crimson Denizens also follow Yuji and the Snake of the Festivals very devoutly without any doubts that the plan will work making them seem quite idealistic.]] |
| 158 | * ''Manga/SilverNina'' leans heavily on the idealistic side of the scale, being about a little girl living with her relatives while her mother's working abroad and the positive effects she tends to have on those around her. |
| 159 | * ''Literature/{{Slayers}}'' is a smidge more on the cynical side. The main heroine, though by no means a VillainProtagonist, is a free spirit who has no qualms about lying, stealing or cheating to get her way. And, even when she obliges to help people, her first question is always "What's in it for me?" Her companions, meanwhile, range from a proto-Emo with a DarkAndTroubledPast (Zelgadis) to a capable yet bumbling swordsman (Gourry). Even the most noble and just character (Amelia) is a ButtMonkey whose attempts at "heroics" usually (but not always) backfire. On the other hand, the villains do usually get their comeuppance, and justice often prevails at the end. But usually at the expense of villages being destroyed, etc. |
| 160 | * ''Anime/StellviaOfTheUniverse'' is an extremely, unstoppably idealistic SpaceOpera where [[ScienceHero Science Is Good]] and RousseauWasRight, so much it is considered the Poster Series for the latter trope. |
| 161 | * ''Manga/StrikeWitches'' is a series as a whole that is ethusiastically and unapoligetically idealistic, if not in fact outright optimistic and hopeful. The titular witches are all Magical Girls, all members of various nations militaries and seen as humanities overall beloved protectors, champions and role models on the level of war hero's and superstars, using wonderous magi-tech and their own magical powers to protect all of humanity from the threat of the Neuroi that seek to occuy and control the land and to roll over humanity with massive numbers and supernatural alien powers. All the witches, both in the 501st and in other units; are all people with their own hopes, dreams, goals, ideas and backgrounds; and all of them come together to become friends and comrades, if not a family. Though the world is itself at war with humanty struggling against the threat of an alien race that is strange, enegmatic, powerrful, terrifying and stubborn, and despite the long list of pain of loss, regret and destruction due to the Neuroi's actions, and the sacrafice of lives by soldiers and even witches to oppose the Neuroi's advance, the ever enduring theme of the series is that everyone, all of humanity; can be firends and that we can unite and protect one another in times of peril. Their are other side series and stories from the main anime that may vary in tone somehwhat in terms of how serious and dire the stakes can be, and even the anime following the 501st also grows increasingy serious as the seasons go on, with more dire threats and the Neuroi learning how to counter humanity finally turning the tide to go on the offensive. But through it all: it only serves to highlight that even though things may get more difficult, painful and dire; so long as everyone comes together as one, to share each others hopes, dreams, freindship and dig deep for the inner coruage and virtue in yourself, no matter how desperate and painful the situation may be: we all can make things and the world itself better together, and even bring support and healing to each other when we may need it. Strike Witches as a series overall, no matter how serious the subjects, narritvie and setting may become; always remains steadfast and relentless in it's Optimistic, hopeful idealism. |
| 162 | %%* ''Anime/{{Texhnolyze}}'', on the other hand, practically sinks to the very bottom of a big ocean of cynicism. |
| 163 | * ''Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann'' is as far towards Idealism as ''Eva'' is towards Cynicism. |
| 164 | ** Kamina steadfastly believes in freedom, heroism, the PowerOfFriendship, [[{{Determinator}} and in never, ever giving up even beyond the very end]]. Although the otherwise continuous stream of pure Idealism is balanced every now and then by an occasional peak of Cynicism (usually by [[ShootTheDog Shooting The Dog]], [[spoiler:as well as a huge NiceJobBreakingItHero]]), alongside a very down-to-earth conclusion to the overall narrative. Still, the series is such the opposite of ''Evangelion'' (from the idealism to the choices made by the protagonist) that it has been dubbed as the ''Anti-Eva''. It helps that the show takes place in a universe where Idealism is an actual physical power source, although one that [[spoiler:if left unchecked, will cause the TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt.]] Even better, both ''Eva'' and ''TTGL'' were both made by Gainax! |
| 165 | ** ''Gurren Lagann'' has quite a bit more of cynicism than the occasional ShootTheDog moment. While you may have freedom, rampant freedom will lead to destruction [[spoiler: explained in said NiceJobBreakingItHero.]] While you may seem like a hero, it's all subjective and you could just as easily become the villian, shown when it's revealed [[spoiler: the villian's aren't that different from the humans.]] While the PowerOfFriendship is strong, it can be turned against the heroes, [[spoiler: like from Simon's HeroicBSOD from Kamina's death and his hestiation from fighting due to Nia's capture.]] Although being a {{Determinator}} is great and all but being that stubborn will never lead anywhere good [[spoiler: like in the BadFuture shown in the beginning.]] If ''Evangelion'' broke the scale, ''Gurren Lagann'' broke the scale again and rebuilt it. It's not so much as the ''Anti-Eva'' as it is [[DeconReconSwitch Eva and FLCL's]] [[SpiritualSuccessor child.]] |
| 166 | * ''Manga/TokyoGhoul'' is easily a cynical series. |
| 167 | ** All of the characters, be it humans or ghouls, are broken in their own ways due to losing several of their loved ones to the opposing faction in the CrapsackWorld they live in, leading them to believe that killing parts of the other faction is the only way to survive. The series is also rarely kind to Kaneki and many other characters, often having them punished or going off the deep end [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished for trying to do a good deed]] for their respective sides. |
| 168 | ** '':re'', the sequel, continues the trend [[spoiler:only to buck it and become more idealistic as the characters [[EarnYourHappyEnding finally achieve something resembling a happy ending]]]]. |
| 169 | * One of the running themes throughout ''Manga/{{Trigun}}'' is the clash between idealism and cynicism, which takes many forms. |
| 170 | ** There's the conflict between Vash the Stampede's idealism and the cynical viewpoint of Nicholas D. Wolfwood. Vash doesn't want to kill anyone, but when [[spoiler:forced to choose between the lives of his friends and that of a major villain, he does ultimately shoot to kill. This gets him deeply depressed]]. Nicholas, though a priest, admits that killing is necessary. In the end, Nicholas finally agrees with Vash, which is [[spoiler:what gets him killed.]] |
| 171 | ** An even better example is the clash between [[BigBad Knives]], who believes [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters humans are scum and need to die in order for plants to survive]] and Vash, who believes humans and plants can co-exist. [[spoiler: In the end, Vash turns out to be right as humans decide to help plants even though those plants were previously fused with Knives for Knives's scheme to KillAllHumans. Soon after the final battle, Knives, like Nicholas, dies but acknowledges that Vash is correct to put faith in humans.]] |
| 172 | ** The idealism vs. cynicism battle is echoed between Millie and Meryl. |
| 173 | ** The setting itself is one giant ongoing clash between Vash's indomitable idealism and the cynical reality of the sheer CrapsackWorld at large. |
| 174 | * ''Anime/WeissKreuz'' is heavily cynical for a shoujo series. |
| 175 | ** The only way to deal with the monsters who are beyond the law's control is [[PayEvilUntoEvil to give them the same kind of horrible death that they have given countless innocent victims]]. It's not ''completely'' at the cynical end of the scale in that innocence is depicted as being worth protecting, the main cast are portrayed sympathetically, and the first anime series has a cautiously upbeat ending... but the main characters [[DirtyBusiness hate what they do]], [[NecessarilyEvil hate themselves for doing it]], [[KnightInSourArmor and have no hope of being able to stop]] because there will always be more monsters trying to prey on the defenseless. |
| 176 | ** It's also made clear, especially in later installments of the series, that their line of work is ''very bad'' for Weiss's mental health. The villains of the ''Dramatic Precious'' RadioDrama, members of an earlier iteration of the team, are directly presented as [[HeWhoFightsMonsters what the current members of Weiss are likely to become]] if they don't find a way out... which only one of them does. The only thing that keeps the series from being all the way at the far cynical end of the scale is that the protagonists ''do'' believe that they're helping to make it possible for normal people to live in a brighter world. Youji's probably the best example of this contradiction in the series: calling him a jaded, hardened cynic is just as accurate as calling him a hopeless romantic. |
| 177 | * Although ''Anime/WelcomeToTheNHK'' falls on the cynical side of the scale, the light novel ends [[spoiler: with some of the characters' lives restored]]. The anime [[spoiler: pretty much goes straight into EarnYourHappyEnding territory with all the main characters and even a good deal of the supporting characters improving their lives from where they were at the beginning of the series. So even if it starts off very cynical, it's more idealistic by the end.]] |
| 178 | * ''Anime/{{Windaria}}'' (the original version) starts out appearing to be a relatively happy and idealistic fairytale full of magic and adventure, with characters that on the surface appear to live a simple life full of love and a sense of community. The further Windaria gets, the darker and more cynical it becomes until there is no denying that HumansAreBastards who will without hesitation screw one another over for their own personal agendas and only come to [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone realize the horror of their deeds when it is too late to back out of it]]. |
| 179 | * ''Manga/YamadaKunAndTheSevenWitches'' is very much on the idealistic side. The series follows the concepts of WhiteAndGreyMorality and RousseauWasRight, any character in distress ''will'' see a helping hand reaching out, and the series makes a big deal out of inserting at least one heartwarming moment in each chapter. The characters are less verbose about friendship than in your average shonen series, though - they tend to show that they care about each others through actions instead of words, and most of the dialogue is either realistic teenage banter or exposition (or both at the same time). |
| 180 | %%* ''Manga/YokohamaKaidashiKikou'' is firmly idealistic, which is only natural for a manga that takes place ...AfterTheEnd. |
| 181 | * Most ''Franchise/YuGiOh'' shows lean on the idealistic side but each series is slightly different. |
| 182 | ** The [[Anime/YuGiOh original series]] has its dark moments but still lies heavily on the idealistic side. |
| 183 | ** ''[[Anime/YuGiOhGX GX]]'' is heavily idealistic in the first half. It gets much darker and more cynical in the second half but still ends on a positive note. |
| 184 | ** ''[[Anime/YuGiOh5Ds 5D's]]'' has a more cynical setting, though the tone, spirit, and characters still lie heavily on the idealistic side. |
| 185 | ** ''[[Anime/YuGiOhZexal ZEXAL]]'' is an idealistic series, as the villains are very human and many are redeemed, although it takes time for it to stick. |
| 186 | ** ''[[Anime/YuGiOhArcV ARC-V]]'' slides back and forth on the scale (which is fitting as Yuya's penchant and the new summoning method are Pendulum). The series starts and ends on an idealistic note but it has a ''very'' dark middle with HumansAreBastards related themes like war and violence. |
| 187 | ** ''[[Anime/YuGiOhVrains VRAINS]]'' is the bleakest and most cynical series so far but as the story progressed, it leans closer towards the middle. |
| 188 | ** ''[[Anime/YuGiOhSevens SEVENS]]'' slides back to the idealistic side, although it is made clear that the characters live in a CrapsaccharineWorld. |
| 189 | ** ''[[Anime/YuGiOhGoRush GO RUSH!!]]'' is about on the same level as ''SEVENS'' just with a slightly DarkerAndEdgier side to it. |
| 190 | * ''Anime/YuriOnIce'' is extremely optimistic, not only among its characters (since it has NoAntagonist, and most of the struggles are individual characters coming to terms with their {{Fatal Flaw}}s) but also in its larger world, which is basically our own except completely lacking in prejudice based on sexual orientation or nationality. (This was even confirmed in an interview [[WordOfGod with one of the creators]], Mitsurou Kubo). This has led to a pretty heavy discussion about how groundbreaking it is as a QueerRomance, with some suggesting it would be better for it to be accurate about the homophobia its Russian and Japanese LGBT characters would face in RealLife, with others arguing that LGBT viewers have enough [[BuryYourGays sad stuff]] and want escapism from time to time. More than a few fans described it as a ray of sunshine in the Fall 2016 anime season, one full of depressing real-world news. |
| 191 | * In ''Manga/{{Zipang}}'', the [[UsefulNotes/KaijuDefenseForce Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force]] vessel Mirai is sent back in time 60 years. They try to stop UsefulNotes/WorldWarII in the Pacific without having to kill anyone. But besides 60 years back, they have also slid well towards the cynical end of the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism, so that plan does not go well. |
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