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7	->"''The road to hell is paved with good intentions.''"
8	-->-- '''Bernard of Clairvaux'''
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14	[[VisionaryVillain A villain]] or a very {{unscrupulous hero}} who has an overall goal which the other heroes [[VillainHasAPoint can appreciate in principle]], but whose methods of pursuing said goal (such as mass murder) are [[DontShootTheMessage problematic]]; despite any sympathy they may have with their cause, the heroes have no choice but to stop them. Taken to extremes, they may fully believe that UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans. Such an idealistic extremist is likely to be either a TotalitarianUtilitarian or a PrinciplesZealot, depending on whether they’re aiming ForHappiness or ForGreatJustice. The most well-written examples of this trope are the kind that the reader/viewer stops just short of agreeing with.
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16	Other times, the villain may be out for simple {{revenge}} against a person, corporation or other entity that has undeniably wronged them. Again, the heroes may sympathize with their plight, but are obliged to stop them because they care not who gets in the way of their planned revenge. However, the heroes will often investigate the villain's grievance themselves and will complement stopping the villain with bringing the offending party to justice as well.
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18	Maybe [[FallenHero they started out with actions as good as their intentions]], but were [[DrivenToVillainy forced to take more extreme measures]]. Either way, it's a common end result of JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope. Their favorite phrase is IDidWhatIHadToDo.
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20	There are four basic flavors of Well Intentioned Extremist:
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22	* '''The problem is the means''':
23	** The Extremist has a good goal that many would support, given that it is fundamentally good and noble, but only the Extremist thinks the means they have chosen are acceptable. Perhaps this particular road to utopia is PoweredByAForsakenChild or simply includes a nauseating level of [[SlidingScaleOfUnavoidableVersusUnforgivable so-called 'necessary' sacrifices]].
24	** The Extremist has a good goal that many would support, given that it is fundamentally good and noble, but the means the TU has chosen have hidden/'hidden' costs. Though it'll [[MathematiciansAnswer 'solve' the original problem]], it'll bring about something even worse. For example, they may try to prevent crime... by sacrificing everyone's souls to an eldritch abomination so they will no longer have [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill personalities or feel the desire to steal.]] They may not have even realized that this is a problem.
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26	* '''The problem is the goal''':
27	** The Extremist has a goal that few would support, given just how extreme and [[InsaneTrollLogic illogical]] it is. Any principle can become NightmareFuel if one divorces it from common sense and basic human decency. For example:
28	*** We should maximize the average happiness. This can most easily be done by constantly, and secretly, exterminating the unhappiest people.
29	*** We should maximize the total happiness. [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mere_addition_paradox Since even starving people are capable of happiness, we should raise the total population as high as possible, regardless of each individual's quality of life.]]
30	*** Negative utilitarianism. Instead of maximizing happiness, we should only focus on minimizing suffering. However, since all living things suffer to some extent we can only eliminate suffering by [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds putting the unhappy out of their misery]] - or by exterminating ''everyone''.
31	*** We should just [[HappinessIsMandatory make everyone happy]]; people who are unhappy should be [[GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul cured]] of this condition using the [[LotusEaterMachine latest technology or magitek]].
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33	* '''The problem is the consequences''':
34	** The Extremist sees a real problem and offers a real solution that may or may not be ethically acceptable, but the bigger issue is that they are not taking into account the negative side-effects of their actions. For example:
35	*** The Extremist wants to assassinate the evil dictator of an oppressed country, but can't or won't take the time and effort to ensure that the country is not taken over by another who is just as bad or worse, or perhaps the country falls into chaos without the tyrant or a stronger, benevolent replacement to hold it all together.
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37	* '''The problem is the "problem"''':
38	** [[WindmillCrusader The Extremist has a goal that more or less everyone can agree is misinformed, insane, or both]] -- they're willing to [[ShootTheDog make]] [[AMillionIsAStatistic (huge)]] sacrifices in the name of [[AllForNothing a completely useless goal]]. For example, they might try to fix the endemic and civilisation-destroying catastrophe of ant-theft... by organising the sacrificial murder of the entire population of New Delhi as an offering to a non-existent supernatural entity that they think will solve the problem with its magic.
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41	On the extreme end, may result in the even darker KnightTemplar who chooses to either [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill remove free will]], believing it the best way to save the world or destroy whoever they don’t consider worthy enough to live. Unlike this, The Well-Intentioned Extremist isn't a punisher of all flaws or a dictator who argues that they are good and therefore everyone else is bad; they actually realise that some of their victims don't deserve to die or suffer, but insist that it is for the greater good and actually isn't ''entirely'' wrong. They could also be a [[FallenHero fallen]] WideEyedIdealist that [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope was driven over the edge]], and sometimes a WorthyOpponent or even ReluctantWarrior. VigilanteMan is a case where the Well-Intentioned Extremist [[MotiveDecay hasn't (yet) descended]] to the point of not caring who gets hurt. Often ends up in rivalries with the KnightInSourArmor. Maybe they're ObliviouslyEvil and don't realise they're the bad guy, in which case they're prone to MyGodWhatHaveIDone and becoming wracked with guilt and horror if they're ever enlightened. Some of those seeking to bring about a OneWorldOrder to end international strife may count as this.
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43	This can be a difficult line to walk: push too hard in one direction and you make it seem as if the extreme methods are acceptable; push too hard in the other and you run the risk of denying the validity of their initial cause, of arguing ''for'' oppression (for instance) instead of against it. When the balancing is done they more often than not tend to be either [[AntiVillain Anti-Villains]] or even dark [[AntiHero Anti-Heroes]], especially if put more emphasis on the "well-intentioned" part than the "extremist" one. However, there are some who seem like [=WIEs=] but in reality are [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist just straight-up villains, particularly if they are the other way around in terms of what they put more emphasis on and if they are obviously just using their philosophy as a shallow excuse to commit evil]]. Another version of a darker villain being this trope is that they have an actual philosophy which they believe will "improve" the world but the philosophy itself is too obviously evil to garner any sympathy, such as is often the case with the MisanthropeSupreme and [[ANaziByAnyOtherName genocidal maniacs]] (especially those who believe they're in a GuiltFreeExterminationWar and [[FinalSolution act accordingly]]).
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45	Often, these characters are presented as more dangerous and terrifying than some who are straight-up ForTheEvulz and TakeOverTheWorld types and with good reason: EvenEvilHasStandards does not usually apply to them, as it might be for some others. After all, if you think you're doing the right thing, then it's easy to consider [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans even the most horrific actions an acceptable compromise.]]
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47	Compare with NecessarilyEvil, where the villain in question has a HeelRealization and recognizes that he deserves punishment (of course, he may always choose to just [[IgnoredEpiphany Ignore That Epiphany]]). See also ALighterShadeOfGrey. A staple trope of the MasterComputer [[AIIsACrapshoot gone mad]]. If the positive intention is overthrowing an evil government, the Well Intentioned Extremists will be an example of TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized. If his extremism actually ''succeeds'' in making the world a better place, it's TheExtremistWasRight. The SmallStepsHero desperately wants to avert this trope. The CompleteMonster will instead [[NotsoWellIntentionedExtremist subvert this trope]].
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49	As this trope often goes hand-in-hand with the FaceHeelTurn or may involve the reveal of a villain's true plans (or intentions), expect spoilers.
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53	!!Examples (Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease):
54	[[index]]
55	* WellIntentionedExtremist/AnimeAndManga
56	* WellIntentionedExtremist/ComicBooks
57	* WellIntentionedExtremist/FanWorks
58	* WellIntentionedExtremist/{{Film}}
59	* WellIntentionedExtremist/{{Literature}}
60	* WellIntentionedExtremist/LiveActionTV
61	* WellIntentionedExtremist/{{Music}}
62	* WellIntentionedExtremist/TabletopGames
63	* WellIntentionedExtremist/{{Theatre}}
64	* WellIntentionedExtremist/VideoGames
65	* WellIntentionedExtremist/VisualNovels
66	* WellIntentionedExtremist/WebAnimation
67	* WellIntentionedExtremist/{{Webcomics}}
68	* WellIntentionedExtremist/WebOriginal
69	* WellIntentionedExtremist/WesternAnimation
70	[[/index]]
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74	[[folder:Asian Animation]]
75	* ''Animation/MotuPatlu'': Chaiwala becomes one in "Gold Samosa", where a samosa restaurant opens near his stand. Chaiwala is so determined to keep the restaurant from putting him out of business that, instead of just pulling a protest against the restaurant or doing something similar, he not only encourages John the Don when he hijacks one of the rival restaurant's trucks, but actually ''goes out of his way'' to keep Motu and Patlu from stopping John from stealing the truck.
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78	[[folder:Comic Strips]]
79	* ''ComicStrip/ModestyBlaise'': Professor Nicomede Katris, the BigBad of "The Zombie", is a [[GeniusCripple parplegic computer genius]] who believes that humanity would be better off under a one-world government run by a computer. However, the ends he is willing to go to to bring this about includedrug dealing and murder.
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82	[[folder:Manhwa]]
83	* ''Manhwa/IWish'': Dee comes across as this. Since she's a witch, she studies like crazy to improve her abilities in repeated attempts to help make the world a better place for people. Unfortunately, her hyper and rather carefree attitude about her powers often leads to her magic failing or ultimately making things worse. While she wants to help K by having him experience love through a LovePotion, she tried it on all of her servants first and it resulted in them becoming obsessed with her, to the point that they'll [[{{Yandere}} kill her]]. Fortunately, once [[spoiler:Wye goes through a convoluted plan to get himself temporarily killed and Dee's powers become better]], Dee learns the lesson that [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatResponsibility using her magic can cause severe consequences]] and she isn't as carefree about it anymore.
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86	[[folder:Myths & Religion]]
87	* ''Literature/TheBible'': Deconstructed by the Apostle Paul in ''Literature/BookOfRomans'' 3:8 (NKJV), "And why not say, 'Let us do evil that good may come'? - as we are slanderously reported and as some affirm that we say. Their condemnation is just."
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90	[[folder:Podcasts]]
91	* In ''Podcast/GospelsOfTheFlood'', Simon is genuinely trying to better the world. His understanding of what the problem is and how to solve it is not what most people would find reasonable, though.
92	* In the ''Podcast/SickSadWorld'' episode "Cult Classics", Dev and Jasmine remark that cult leader Jim Jones had good ideas about religion and the Bible, but his context for them was awful.
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95	[[folder:Professional Wrestling]]
96	* [[Wrestling/MikeBucci Simon Dean]] is tired of traveling this country and seeing so many fat monstrosities. So he is going to help solve the problem by selling his patented Simon System at a discount. Because even though he does not like you, Simon Dean believes in you!
97	* Wrestling/StevieRichards in [[Wrestling/ImpactWrestling TNA]], trying to save the world from Wrestling/{{Abyss}}, and Abyss from himself, turned out to be worse than Abyss by the end of their feud.
98	* Coming out of left field, "The World Famous" Wrestling/{{Kana\|koUrai}}, then on a mission to defeat Wrestling/YoshihiroTajiri and all the other "old men" of his SMASH promotion, wrote a "manifesto" on the Joshi half of Puroreso, emphasizing, among other things, a need to isolate every wrestler and dump the worthless ones after evaluating them all.
99	* Jessicka Havok has always been a menace to Wrestling/{{WSU}}, but was cast in a new "heroic" light after DJ Hyde [[BadBoss took over the company]] and proclaimed not only her but many others who were long time fan favorites PersonaNonGrata[[note]]Drew Cordeiro was the one dismissing, banning or alienating people, DJ Hyde just [[DastardlyWhiplash took credit for it]] at shows or [[{{heel}} enforced his decisions]][[/note]]. Since Havok did not care about WSU rulings to begin with, she continued to show up anyway and do what she does, to cheers. Jessicka's also fond of the Shine promotion, admitting that she had consciously not stooped to her usual lows while working there, not complaining when punished by officials for her [[NoHoldsBarredBeatDown post match rituals]] and attacking those who she feels are bad for the promotion or disrespectful to it, though she ignored the LegionOfDoom who were guilty of every "crime" she charged all her other targets with because Wrestling/AllysinKay, Havok's best friend from WSU, was a part of it.
100	[[/folder]]
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102	[[folder:Toys]]
103	* ''Toys/{{Bionicle}}''
104	** Tuyet keeps trying to take over the universe because she genuinely believes that she can make it a better place. Unfortunately, her definition of "better" involves hundreds of innocent people being slaughtered, the Toa being brainwashed into [[KnightTemplar Knights Templar]], and the Matoran living in fear in a BigBrotherIsWatching version of Metru Nui, as seen in an alternate reality.
105	** [[BigBad Makuta Teridax]] was alluded to be this, as revealed by his lines in the film ''Mask of Light'' and Toys/{{LEGO}}'s internal documentation, which stated he was a misguided but noble villain under the influence of his [[MaskOfPower Mask of]] [[EvilMask Shadows]]. He terrorized the Matoran, sought to kill the heroic Toa and blocked the passage to their home Metru Nui so that [[PhysicalGod the deity]] [[BigGood Mata Nui]] would never awaken. Makuta argued that keeping Mata Nui in a coma "spares him pain". He was right -- Mata Nui's body was under the island where Makuta had imprisoned the Matoran; if he woke up, he'd destroy it and kill his own people. Franchise co-creator Christian Faber described Makuta as an illness that ultimately strengthens one's body, serving a good cause via bad means. In later media, this side of Makuta was {{retcon}}ned. The movie ''Legends of Metru Nui'' painted him as fully evil, thinking he'd be a better god than Mata Nui, and author Greg Farshtey further re-imagined him as a CompleteMonster who put Mata Nui to sleep not for his protection but to kill him.
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