Line #81 Main/UselessUsefulNonCombatAbilities


1	->''Put on a trenchcoat and fight some conspiracies.\
2	Get experience and level up abilities.\
3	Will you pick rifles or computers?\
4	Don't pick swimming because it's fairly useless!''
5	-->-- '''[[Creator/BenCroshaw Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw]]''''s [[WithLyrics lyrics to]] the ''VideoGame/DeusEx'' theme, ''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation''
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7	In many [=RPGs=], there are many "non-combat abilities" that let you get through situations without fighting (like [[CombatDiplomacyStealth diplomacy for negotiating with enemies or stealth for sneaking by them]]), but these are often not nearly as useful as advertised, for the following reasons:
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9	* There are many enemies that players must kill to complete key objectives, such as bosses, that are harder to kill than enemies that you can avoid fighting. Hence, if your character or party is powerful enough to kill the bosses (as is necessary in order to progress in the game), it is also more than powerful enough to kill the grunts, so it is unnecessary to avoid combat with them.
10	* Getting by enemies without combat prevents you from getting the experience and loot rewards that you would have received had you killed them, so it leaves you handicapped for later in the game.
11	* The effects provided by the non-combat abilities can be more easily achieved other ways.
12	* The effects provide things which aren't necessary or even useful in the game.
13	* There are simply not enough places in the level design that allow these skills to be used to their full potential. A hacking skill is only useful if there are enough systems that can be hacked to avoid combat reasonably often.
14	* In games that have a "Barter" or "Persuade" type of skill that can be used to get discounts in shops or increase quest rewards, the extra money can often be useless due to MoneyForNothing.
15	* Certain skills can often be tried over and over again until they succeed, making any positive probability of success as good as a 100% probability, as long as you are willing to keep sitting there and pushing the button.
16	* In ResourcesManagementGameplay, upgrading non-combat abilities may require resources you need for the combat abilities that will win you the game.
17	* A skill that can generate extra resources may give diminishing returns, thus it's not particularly worth investing any more points into it than is necessary.
18	* The skill relies on specific stats to unlock or function. Unless that stat is one your character excels in, it's usually better to ignore the skill rather than risking [[MasterOfNone spreading your stats too thin]] to remain combat-effective.
19	* The ability only works in certain environment or prevents a specific hazard, but offers little to no value outside of those situations. This is particularly annoying if dealing with these hazards or obstacles is necessary to progress, but only at certain points, turning what could have been an interesting ability into a poorly disguised set of door keys.
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21	If the game involves you distributing points among various character skills, particularly useless abilities will typically become a DumpStat.
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23	Subtrope of UnderusedGameMechanic. Compare UselessUsefulSpell. UselessUsefulStealth is a particularly common example.
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30	* In 5th edition D&D, part of the reason why the Ranger is considered a [[LowTierLetdown particularly bad character class]] is because many of its class features fall under this heading.
31	** Favoured Enemy and Natural Explorer both give bonuses to tracking, survival and exploration-type challenges, which -- as noted above -- are of questionable usefulness.
32	** Hide in Plain Sight lets you make camouflage for yourself so that you can hide particularly well as long as you remain immobile in one spot; since it takes one minute to prepare, it has only a few very narrow uses.
33	** Worst of all, though, is Primeval Awareness: it allows you to temporarily detect whether creatures of certain specific types are present within a large radius around you. Notably, it doesn't tell you ''which way'' the creatures are, or how close by, just whether or not there are any at all currently within range. The range also increases if you're in one of your favoured terrain types, meaning that actually it gives you ''less'' useful information on how to find the creatures in question -- "there are undead within one mile" is much more precise than "there are undead within six miles", for example. The list of creature types doesn't even fully overlap with those selectable for Favoured Enemy, so you may be able to sense the presence of almost any type of creature except for the ones you're specialised in hunting. Finally, while the others listed above are at least free to use at will, Primeval Awareness costs you spell slots to activate.
34	** More modern theory crafting and experimentation with the Ranger has actually led to the discovery that Ranger can actually be one of the stronger classes as it has [[EliteTweak very powerful unforseen synergies between archery and summoning magic]], ironically thanks to the other main complaint about Rangers (namely, having lots of abilities copied from other classes). In fitting with this trope, the Ranger's more unique out-of-combat abilities tend to be ignored. This was made all the easier in ''Tasha's Cauldron of Everything'' with the introduction of alternate features that replace the old, terrible out-of-combat features with more magic and skirmishing abilities that support the newer play style.
35	* Lampshaded in the ''TabletopGame/DiscworldRolePlayingGame'', with Academic Skills such as Astrozoology. "Some may seem rarefied, even useless – but roleplayers can be good at finding uses for things."
36	* Examples from 3.5e ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'':
37	** ''Craft'', ''Perform'' and ''Profession'' were essentially designed to be skill-point sinks for NPC characters like blacksmiths or tavern owners. Yes, you can use them to make money, but your allies are not going to wait for weeks while you forge longswords and busk when they could be making thousands of gold beating up the local {{Money Spider}}s. Bards require one Perform skill at high level to use some of their abilities, and Craft ''can'' become a GameBreaker when combined with spells like Fabricate, but otherwise those skills are only as useful as the DM will allow.
38	** ''TabletopGame/D20Modern'', which is built on the same system as ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'', has its own examples, such as Knowledge (art), Knowledge (popular culture), and Perform, that are only useful in very limited situations. Craft is in some ways worse since crafting an item is usually more expensive than buying it, although some advanced classes use it in special ways (such as Series/{{MacGyver\|1985}} style improvising).
39	** Perform in particular says nothing more about an effect than "Masterful performance. Audience awed". The D&D 3.5 counterpart at least assumed you were busking and earned some money for your efforts (although see Profession, above). When asked about this, the game's designers basically admitted it had no purpose beyond giving flavour to a character or whatever the GM might homebrew.
40	** Interestingly enough, the final ExpansionPack to ''VideoGame/NeverwinterNights2'' (Storm of Zehir) brought about a new overworld map, causing a number of otherwise marginally useful skills suddenly become much more useful, such as Survival (you can track specific enemies AND get a bonus in resting and random battles) and most of the communications skills (Bluff, Diplomacy and Intimidate can be used prior to a random battle to gain a not-insignificant advantage).
41	** On the other hand, some games that use ''D&D'' rules but focus mostly on combat make almost all skills useless. ''Eye of the Beholder'', for instance, made Forgery completely worthless, Diplomacy, Intimidate, and Climb mostly useless, and even the cool-sounding Spellcraft rather less impressive than you'd think.
42	** All this being said, [[SubvertedTrope without DM intervention Diplomacy can become a game-breaker... and because of that, so too can any skill due to the Exemplar prestige class]].
43	** Tracking-related skills are usually joked to be this, overlapping with ThisLooksLikeAJobForAquaman. The logic goes, if you don't have a tracker, then you're never going to ''need'' a tracker--anything that needs to be tracked is probably plot-relevant, and the DM isn't going to make plot-relevant things impossible to find, so groups that don't have a tracker just never encounter anything that needs training to track.
44	* Can be the case for Solars in ''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'', depending on the type of campaign. Solars can learn to do anything ridiculously well, from fighting to sneaking or negotiating. The problem is, when you can outfight entire armies of demons without breaking a sweat, you don't usually ''need'' to do much sneaking or negotiating. Mostly averted with other Exalted types, though, since while their non-combat abilities are more modest than the Solars', their lack of combat supremacy means that they are also more likely to actually have need of them.
45	* ''TabletopGame/{{Pathfinder}}'' has many of the same weaknesses as its predecessor. It tries to downplay them with the ''Pathfinder Unchained'' supplement, which divides the skill list into "adventure skills" and "background skills", the latter of which are mostly those that fall under this trope. It also gives players two extra points per level earmarked for background skills, to encourage developing a more rounded character. Trouble is, two of those skills, Perform and Sleight of Hand, are highly useful to certain builds, and Linguistics gives the character [[{{Omniglot}} a new language for each point]]. So you still wind up with most of the skills being ignored in favor of these plus maybe Craft or whatever Knowledge is most relevant for the campaign setting.
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49	* ''VideoGame/AgeOfEmpiresII'': The Spies technology allows you to see the enemy's line of sight, meaning you can see everything they see. Excellent, except that it costs 200 gold per enemy villager. Spies isn't available until Age IV, by which time players often have upwards of fifty or even a hundred villagers. The only time it would be used would be against pesky players that tries to hide their villagers around the corner to prolong the game.
50	* ''VideoGame/BetrayalAtKrondor'': There is an out-of-combat spell called ''And the Light Shall Lie'' that is very specialized, disguising Owyn, allowing him to enter a particular town occupied by an enemy army without needing to enter combat. This allows you to do a couple of quests you wouldn't otherwise be able to do...but after that, the spell has no use. Justified in-universe, as the spell is intended specifically to deceive one general and his troops; it's even stated that Owyn doesn't see his own disguise after he casts it, and needs to be told that he's not ''supposed'' to be the one who sees it!
51	** From the same game, the Lute Playing skill: it increases slowly, can only be increased at a tavern, and when sufficiently high, allows you to make money by playing at a tavern and getting tips. But even at high levels, the amount of money you gain is relatively low, the amount of time needed to get there is prohibitive, and the lute itself takes up space in your inventory. Not to mention that money is much easier to obtain from other sources, and in greater quantities. Lute Playing can be a GameBreaker if used early and often to amass a lot of money and purchase things long before they would otherwise be available, but be prepared to spend ''hours'' on it.
52	* In the Bioware title ''VideoGame/BaldursGate'', the Constitution skill dictates also how much characters can resist drinking alcohol in taverns before getting intoxicated. While Con itself is one of the most important skills all-around, drinking in taverns is useless: the most you can get is some superficial hearsay about possible quests that you surely have already met anyway or discussed more in detail with random characters.
53	* Speaking of Creator/BioWare, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins''. The Trapmaking skill lags behind, you don't get as many of the materials for it as easily as you can for Herbalism and Poison making, and as a whole they're rather situational. Pretty much the best way to use them effectively is to [[SaveScumming trigger an encounter, then revert to an earlier save so you can set up traps and bring them over]] or [[GuideDangIt have prior knowledge]]. However, one of the ''best'' uses of traps is to make an OptionalBoss easier. [[spoiler:Surround the area where you fight Flemeth with traps, talk to her, and when she turns hostile... they all go off]]. While it may not be ''entirely'' useless in that regards, you can literally go the ''entire'' game without even investing a single point in traps or even using the traps you find. This is not to say that Trapmaking is actually useless -- if one knows what they're doing, it's a great source of experience and money too.
54	** Trapmaking also makes ''spotting'' traps easier, too, giving it some more use than poison and Alchemy. It's also worth pointing out that even Alchemy and poison are useless for the Grey Warden since your points are better off spent on things such as speech and other Warden-unique traits. Unless that is, the Warden is a rogue as you cannot apply poison to your weapons without the skill. Most companions already come with a point or two in Alchemy, Poison, or Trapmaking. Thus, it's better off using ''them'' to craft items.
55	** Runecrafting in ''Awakening'' fared somewhat better, as higher level runes are hard to find otherwise, especially the new ones. However, it takes skill points away from more useful combat abilities, and some of the components can be tricky to find; this is likely the reason that runes are handled in a completely different manner in the rest of the series, with other characters making them for you instead.
56	* ''VideoGame/DeusEx'':
57	** The swimming skill. It makes you swim faster and hold your breath for longer, but there are very, very few underwater areas in the game. The Aqualung nanomod is useless for the same reason and takes up a slot a more useful nanomod can take. You're better off keeping a couple rebreathers in your inventory (which you often find around the levels that have underwater areas) instead. Hell, once you get the [[HealingFactor Healing]] [[GameBreaker Augmentation]], you can activate it to heal the damage that running out of oxygen does to your body, allowing you to stay underwater for as long as you want, provided you have enough bio-energy.
58	** The alternative to Aqualung, Environmental Resistance, is even worse. The game conveniently places a Hazmat suit (an item that negates the damage Environmental Resistance protects you from) near any situation where Environmental Resistance would be useful. You also would need to upgrade it to the maximum rank to completely negate damage, thus working as effectively as a Hazmat suit, which means not leveling up more useful skills. At least Aqualung at the first rank completely negates the need for the Swimming skill and there are points where swimming underwater is helpful, even if specifically leveling the skill or upgrading the augment are not.
59	** For that matter, in the same way that it can be used to cure drowning ''while you are drowning'', the healing augmentation can also immediately reverse the effects of radiation and patch up bullet wounds - in short, the only reason to ever choose a different main torso augmentation is as a self-imposed challenge, simply because leveled-up regeneration is [[GameBreaker too useful]].
60	** The prequel, ''[[VideoGame/DeusExHumanRevolution Human Revolution]]'', has a minor example: the Hacking Analyze augmentation allows you to see the chances of being detected by the security mainframe for every node, even though you can already tell what the chances are for every node you can currently capture and since chance of detection is based on security level (which you can already see for every node) it's not that hard to guess[[note]]The stated use of the Analyze ability is that it lets you see what's in datastores, ostensibly so that you can see if it's worth it to go after them, but actually hacking them is much easier, and spending the two points you would otherwise use for Analyze on two points for Hacking:Stealth is a much better trade-off[[/note]].
61	** Also in ''Human Revolution'', the initial release has several mandatory boss battles, making a non-combat build focused on stealth and hacking ''much'' less viable. This was a common enough criticism that the Directors Cut introduced ways to resolve the encounters without combat (or at least without ''[[OutsideTheBoxTactic conventional]]'' combat that you'd have to put points into).
62	* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'':
63	** Recurring series examples:
64	*** '''Speechcraft''': You can easily max out a target's disposition with a custom-made [[CharmPerson spell or potion]] when required, making Speechcraft unnecessary. Through ''Oblivion'', it is also possible to simply [[EveryManHasHisPrice bribe them]] over and over to increase their disposition. (Quite easy to do with all of the series' MoneyForNothing as well.)
65	*** '''Mercantile''': In most games, even with a maxed out Mercantile skill, it is nearly impossible to haggle for an item for more than a few percentage points over/under its base value. And as mentioned above, the series has more than enough money available for you to acquire without having to do bother with this. Mercantile was dropped as a skill as of ''Skyrim'', where its effects are folded into a somewhat more useful Speechcraft skill tree.
66	** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIDaggerfall Daggerfall]]'':
67	*** '''Etiquette''' and '''Streetwise''': These skills make nobles/scholars and commoners/underworld types (respectively) respond to you more positively, and may get them to give you extra information and hints. Realistically, they don't help very much. If you need additional information out of them, there are much better ways to gain it.
68	*** The various '''Language''' skills, such as Giantish, Impish, Orcish, etc. A higher skill score in them gives you a chance to avoid combat with the creatures who speak it. Practically speaking, it isn't very useful. One minor use is that using the skill potentially allows you to level up several skills at once, increasing the rate at which you gain character levels. For instance, you can speak to an Orc to increase the Orcish skill, then (succeed or fail) attack him anyway to increase your combat skills.
69	*** '''Medical''': You recover more health points per hour you sleep. Given that time is only a factor in a select few {{Timed Mission}}s, there is no real benefit to healing more quickly in fewer hours of sleep.
70	** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'':
71	*** '''Mercantile''' is an aversion here. Because the game makes a separate skill roll for each attempt, you can simply set the price of an item to whatever you want then spam the accept key until the merchant accepts. While each failure makes it less likely to succeed and drops the disposition of the merchant, you will eventually get a 'critical' success that will get the merchant to accept no matter what. Further, the disposition drop will will reverse itself if you leave the conversation and then re-enter it.
72	*** '''Acrobatics''': You can eventually jump over buildings at a high skill level, but aside from the fun of it, there's not much reason to do so. Levitation is a better alternative, and potions of Rising Force are quite common.
73	** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]'':
74	*** '''Willpower''' is a rather useless Attribute. One of the only things it affects is your maximum Fatigue, which is also affected by other stats. It also controls your rate of Magicka regeneration, but it's more effective to increase your Intelligence so you have more Magicka in the first place. In addition, mages often take Atronach birthsign which give you additional max Magicka and a chance of absorbing enemy spells, at the cost of your Magicka regeneration.
75	*** '''Security''': It governs your ability to pick locks, but picking a lock is a [[LockpickingMiniGame mini-game]] based more on ''player'' skill than anything else. A high Security skill makes it somewhat easier (and saves you from breaking as many lockpicks), but a skilled player can easily pick even the highest leveled locks with a minimum Security Skill. Notably, this is not the case in ''Morrowind'', where the success of picking a lock is up to the RandomNumberGod. A higher Security Skill increases your odds of picking it, while having too low of a security skill will make it impossible to pick higher leveled locks.
76	** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'':
77	*** '''Lockpicking''': Just like Security in ''Oblivion'', for the exact same reason. As a bonus, there is a quest that rewards you with an unbreakable lockpick, and time is halted in the lockpicking interface, so you can try the lock an unlimited number of times until you get lucky.
78	*** '''Pickpocket''': There is nothing in the game you can ''only'' obtain through pickpocketing. A low pickpocket skill merely reduces the chance to successfully steal an item but does not prevent you from trying, so you can steal any item you want by saving immediately before pickpocketing and repeatedly [[SaveScumming reloading]] until you get lucky. Furthermore, an [[BribingYourWayToVictory official DLC]] adds a spell that opens the vast majority of locks and can be acquired during a quest you receive at level 1.
79	*** '''Speech''': Makes buying items cheaper, but the items you can make through Smithing and Enchanting are vastly better than anything you can buy. Also allows you to invest into a merchant or sell stolen items, but none of it improves the quality of the items you can purchase, so there is no point to any of it.
80	*** While the Alchemy tree as a whole has [[GameBreaker plenty of utility]], the '''Snakeblood''' perk is often considered a dud. It gives you a permanent +50% poison resistance, which ''could'' be useful... except only a few enemies even use poison, and even then their poisons (unlike the ones you can brew yourself) rarely have any effects besides [[UniversalPoison the usual "damage health,"]] which means they can simply be [[FightOffTheKryptonite powered through]] with healing potions or spells. To make matters worse, there are a few armors in the game that grant 100% poison resistance without having to spend a perk on them.
81	* ''VideoGame/FableI'': Guile. At each level, Guile increases your stealth and allows you to get more favorable prices when buying or selling goods. At level three, you learn how to steal items. Finally, at level six, you learn how to pick locks. Every single one of these benefits is worthless [[note]]The game operates on UselessUsefulStealth, where you travel far too slow and enemies will spot you 99% of the time anyway. Even on the one quest where stealth is necessary, there's no noticeable difference between maxing out Guile and ignoring it. Prices are affected far more by attractiveness, renown, and how much the merchant has of a given item versus how much you have than by your Guile level. Anything worth stealing requires standing in place for nearly half a minute and fails if anyone so much as looks at you. Finally, any lock that can be picked can be more easily and swiftly simply smashed open. And picking the lock isn't even more stealthy as [=NPCs=] invariably seem to wait right inside their door all night[[/note]]. Besides new players, invariably Guile is only chosen late in the game when there's nothing else to spend Skill experience on.
82	* ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'':
83	** What ''Fallout'' player has ''ever'' found much of a use for Traps[[note]]None of the traps you encounter are very damaging, so running past them and taking damage is better than wasting skill points[[/note]] or Outdoorsman[[note]] This skill increases the rate at which you find favorable random encounters, and decreases the rate at which you find bad random encounters. It literally has no other effect, not even narrative skill checks, in either game[[/note]]? The viability of investing points into some skills, such as Science, Repair, and (in the sequel) Unarmed is undermined by the many books and teachers in the games that make it easy to boost a skill to 100% without investing a point into it[[note]]There are benefits to increasing a skill score beyond 100% (the maximum is 300%), but ''not for non-combat skills'': if the player reaches 100% in Science, Repair or similar skills, then you have enough skill to avoid a critical failure 99% of the time, and to eventually succeed at any given skill-related task. Increasing beyond 100% is only useful for combat skills, where it continues to increase your accuracy and damage to truly absurd levels[[/note]]. Many of the Perks are also infamous as pretty useless: the few exceptions are useless on their own, but unlock much better Perks later.
84	*** Gambling is ''mostly'' useless, and ''completely'' useless in a low-Luck build: gambling is used in the many casinos in the game to get money. The higher your gambling skill, the better your chances are of winning, as the game will specifically stack the deck to give you more favorable odds. Luck does the same thing in a non-specific way, but the two work against each other: if you have a low-Luck and high Gambling, you'll still lose more than you win, and vice versa. And the problem is that money ''isn't'' all that useful anyway, once you have enough of it, and the barter system means that you don't even ''need'' money.
85	** ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' tries to avert this by linking item creation to relevant skills: you need to have a sufficient Survival skill to create food items, for example, or sufficient Science to make Stimpaks. However, depending on whether you're playing on Normal or Hardcore, some skills are still useless: food isn't nearly as important in Normal, where your need to eat is not tracked, and therefore you can ignore Survival entirely (the other benefits of the skill are negligible). Hardcore mode, where hunger, thirst and exhaustion are all tracked, makes all the skills ''much'' more useful.
86	** ''VideoGame/Fallout4'':
87	*** Animal Friend is significantly modified and there are now separate perks for abominations/mutated creatures and humanoids. Now pointing your gun at an enemy has a chance to pacify them, and at higher levels, they'll even fight on your side and take orders from you... as long as you pass a charisma check, and don't do anything ''but'' point your gun or else they might turn hostile again, and if that happens (or if you fail a later pacification check) you can't pacify anyone else until exiting and re-entering combat. On top of all that, a large chunk of the game's quests (including several mandatory ones) ''require'' killing all the enemies in an area to proceed, so a true PacifistRun is basically impossible without exploits.
88	*** The V.A.N.S. ('''V'''ault-Tec '''A'''ssisted '''N'''avigational '''S'''ystem) perk allows you to see a path to the nearest tagged objective in VATS. The problems with this: 1) you only get one perk per level up, and there's almost always an option that's more useful in terms of actual '''gameplay''', and 2) the player can always check nearby objectives on their Pip-Boy map, so V.A.N.S. is only even conceivably useful in particularly difficult to navigate areas. V.A.N.S 2 sounds much more useful, giving you plus 2 to Perception, two whole levels for free! Except for four "teeny-tiny" things: 1) you have to waste a level up on V.A.N.S. just to get the chance of it, 2) you need to be level 36 minimum, 3) you need the ''Nuka-World'' DLC to get it (which has much better things than a second level in a useless perk), and 4), unless you already have it maxed, you can just spend the two points it takes to get it directly on perception, which will give you the same accuracy boost while unlocking perks that are actually useful.
89	* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTacticsAdvance'' and ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTacticsA2'' have several abilities that remove enemies without harming them. Parley lets you convince a humanoid enemy to leave, Oust sweeps away monsters, and Wyrmtamer removes dragons. However, the chance of these abilities working is directly based on the damage you've done to them at once you've done enough for them to have a decent chance at working, you're better off just killing them because that gives you loot and experience. In Advance, these abilities would work less often, and eventually never work if the user kept killing targets. In A2, they can always work, but again, based on the target's remaining HP. The only reason someone would want to use these types of abilities often is to avoid being instantly killed by a Tonberry since they have an ability that causes damage based on how many units that target has killed and by the time you fight these guys, they will usually do 999 damage every single time they decide to use said ability.
90	%%* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV'' gives Rogues the ability "Mug" which, similar to other abilities in ''Final Fantasy'' games, allows the player to engage in VideoGameStealing while dealing damage. It's fairly weak (only 150 potency), but if it's the final blow to enemies it causes them to occasionally drop extra items. Square-Enix [[ProperlyParanoid feared players would enact the use of bots]], so they wound up instead making it useless except as an off-global cooldown ability. Until that is, the Rogue becomes the Ninja - which uses Mug to generate an extra resource.
91	%%Mug inflicts a Vulnerability Up debuff that increased all incoming damage on the victim, making it much more useful than the VideoGameStealing that this entry focuses on. However, I started playing in EW and don't know the update history. If the Vuln Up was always part of the action, it doesn't really count for this trope. If it was added later, please amend to acknowledge.
92	* ''VideoGame/KingdomsOfAmalurReckoning:'' Lock Picking, Dispel and Mercantile.
93	** Lock Picking and Dispel (effectively magical lock picking) get you more loot, but there is already loads of loot lying around unprotected. There are a handful of side quests which require you to pick hard locks or Dispel wards, but you have Prismere lock picks and SaveScumming for those.
94	** Mercantile gets you better prices in shops, but you can usually find or make better gear than you can buy, and MoneyForNothing is in full effect.
95	* Some examples from ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'':
96	** ''Security'': All locked doors can be bashed open very easily, making lockpicking unnecessary.
97	*** Averted in the second game. Bashing a chest open will usually break something valuable, leaving you with junk that can only be broken down for crafting parts. Picking any lock will also earn the player a small amount of experience.
98	** ''Stealth'': See the first example under UselessUsefulStealth. The only time it is remotely useful is when you're sneaking past the rancor in the Taris sewers or choose Mission to break you out of the holding cells.
99	** ''Awareness'': There are very few stealthed enemies in the game, and those that are stealthed cannot be detected with the awareness skill (they can only be detected after being triggered by an EventFlag), making awareness useful only for detecting mines, and mines are so easy to spot they can usually be spotted without investing very many points into this skill.
100	*** The second game at least made Awareness useful for the main character by making it double as Sense Motive for opening up different dialogue options.
101	** ''Persuade'': It's helpful most of the time, and it's the only skill that you can't just delegate to a more specialized party member, but it's not going to help one bit in TheVeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon. That diplomacy-optimized Jedi Consular you built? Yeah, you're gonna have a rough time. Even worse, the actual success thresholds are all quite low in the early game, and later on it will be mostly supplanted by Force Persuade in any case.
102	** The second game attempts to avert it by having every skill be involved in its crafting system. The thresholds to get some really good upgrade parts are pretty high, so there is a reason to invest that much in otherwise unused skills. Persuade, however, doesn't enjoy this perk, and suffers from this trope as badly as it did in the first game.
103	* ''VideoGame/LegoIndianaJones: The Original Adventures'' gives you the ability to hide under barrels or bushes to slip past enemies. This is ''entirely'' useless as enemies are easy to just fight head-on and there is always some sort of puzzle that must be solved to progress through the area which can't be done while hiding. At most you'll try it ''once'' just for the novelty of it.
104	* Notably, Creator/BioWare has been learning from this. In ''Franchise/MassEffect'', the skills for Decryption and Electronics (used to open chests and repair damaged electronic equipment, usually for items that are likely to be sold) have useful combat abilities attached (though Charm and Intimidate are still strictly optional). In ''VideoGame/JadeEmpire'', social skills are based on your combat skills and not purchased separately, though they can be improved independently through techniques or gems.
105	* Diplomacy in ''VideoGame/MightAndMagic VI'' was so utterly useless they removed it completely from the following game. All it does is makes it a little bit easier to hire [=NPCs=] -- which isn't a problem to speak of in the first place.
106	* Perception in ''VideoGame/MightAndMagic VII'' and ''VIII'' isn't terribly useful either. It does two things: allows the person who has it to avoid trap when it activates, and also allows you to notice the points of interest. The first use is put in shame by Disarm Trap which disables traps altogether, or by learning and using Telekinesis, or just by learning Body Building to increase HP to take the damage instead. The second is completely useless with Master Air Magic's Wizard Eye (and most players have someone who can learn it), which reveals the switches on your map and much more.
107	* ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' gives its titular monsters a wide variety of potential passive Abilities. The few that only have effects outside of battle are considered subpar at best. Examples include:
108	** The Run Away ability, which ensures you can always flee from wild Pokemon. Most Pokemon with the ability tend to already be fast, so the inability to flee is rarely a concern. As a result, Run Away is situational at best, and is made even more useless by the existence of the Smoke Ball hold item, which provides the exact same effect for its user. Run Away's uselessness is occasionally acknowledged in a meta sort of way, as it's often a filler Ability on [[MagikarpPower Pokemon that gain a far more useful ability upon evolution]].
109	** The Illuminate ability raises the random encounter rate, while the Stench ability lowers it. Unfortunately they did nothing in battle when they were introduced, were ultimately outclassed by Sweet Scent's out of battle ability and Repels respectively, and in ''Emerald'' were outclassed by other abilities having extra effects that mimicked the two abilities while having actual in battle uses. Fortunately Stench got upgraded later on to do the same thing as a King's Rock, but Illuminate has had no such luck.
110	** Several Abilities exist solely to let the Pokemon occasionally collect held items after battle. These are of limited utility at the best of times as the items are mostly random and usually more easily obtained by other methods. The fact that they only function if the Pokemon has no held item already and render themselves nonfunctional once the Pokemon in question gains an item from the ability does them no favors. While Pickup and Ball Fetch are at least marginally useful as they can provide rarer items at high levels, Honey Gather has no such benefit. The only item it provides is Sweet Honey, something that, in all but the first set of games it appeared in, is [[ShopFodder completely useless outside of being sold for a low price]].
111	* ''VideoGame/PuzzleQuest's'' Cunning stat: the main benefit of which is the player with the higher Cunning stat makes the first move. You will have to dump a disproportionate amount of stat points into Cunning to outrank some of the higher level enemies and bosses (And just forget about Lord Bane). However, Cunning also gives you bonus ExperiencePoints and gold after you win a battle. The real skill never to increase is Morale. Morale raises your maximum HitPoints, which is well and good... but you don't need to waste a single stat point on it, because the game hands you bonus Morale points every time you stop to tie your shoes.
112	* ''VideoGame/{{Realmz}}'': Early versions have a large number of skills like Break-Bars/Gate/Door, Climb-Wall, Hear-Noise, Hide In Shadows, Move Silently, and Pick-Pocket that are practically never used, as well as heaps of oddball spells such as Dig, Hold Portal, Locate Object, Ventriloquism and Wizard Eye, and items like iron spikes, mirrors and wine. Most of these are removed in later versions, long before the ''Divinity'' [[LevelEditor scenario editor]] was released.
113	* ''VideoGame/{{Runescape}}'' has this problem for a long time with the Firemaking skill. Its only purpose was to increase the total level of bored players with money to burn, as well as [[MemeticMutation create lines of campfires outside banks]]. Higher levels of the skill let you burn more expensive wood, creating longer lasting fires. Except that if you're cooking a lot you'd just use a stove or permanent fire, making the skill completely useless. Fortunately, Jagex noticed the problem and has added various minigames and quests where firemaking is actually useful.
114	* Stealing in ''VideoGame/SepterraCore'' sounds nice on paper as you can actually steal from stores as well. The problem is, if you get caught trying to steal prices in the store go up. You also have little to no control over what you steal - meaning you either get a consumable (which the game passes out like candy), money, or a useless piece of equipment.
115	** There's also one particular spell card combination that acts as a scan ability. The problem is, Corgan has the same ability for cheaper - the only difference is that the spell card will show a ''little'' more information and can be used on everyone.
116	* Skills in ''VideoGame/StarOcean'' generally tend to be of the "Skippable" variety: you can ignore the skill system entirely and not be negatively affected. ''HOWEVER''... if you take the time to invest in skills, you'll wind up ''highly'' rewarded with free items that restore HP & MP, infinite experience, building ''the best items in the game'', and [[GuideDangIt learning your relationship values]]. Much more importantly, however, in the first and second game, ''every single skill has a secondary benefit'': Cooking increases your combat damage, Meditation reduces your SP cost for abilities, and so on.
117	* Similar to the original ''Deus Ex'', three of the five tech skills in ''VideoGame/SystemShock2'' are rendered fairly redundant to someone who understands the game well enough:
118	** Modify: Used to permanently upgrade a non-melee weapon one or two times, with higher skill levels allowing higher tier upgrades. These upgrades are fairly useful, but there is a type of item called a French-Epstein device that gives you a free modification--regardless of the skill needed to normally upgrade--and there are enough to fully upgrade the few weapons you're best off specializing in. One might still bring Modify to level one or two to get the lowest tier upgrades and save your French-Epstein devices for the others, but bringing it any higher is really only useful in co-op (where there are more people and thus more weapons to modify, but no more upgrade items available).
119	** Research: Used to research objects, with the lower level projects granting damage bonuses against certain enemy types and clearing one mandatory objective while higher levels projects let your use the exotic weapons. However, exotic weapons are AwesomeButImpractical even when you ''don't'' count the research costs, already suffering from extremely scarce ammo and CripplingOverspecialization. The plot-necessary project only requires one level of Research, which you can obtain temporarily with an implant, while the damage bonus projects only take two, meaning it's again smartest to invest one level at most.
120	** Repair: Used to repair broken weapons and a few broken machines with nanites. Functionally it is very similar to Maintenance, which uses expendable items to keep weapons from breaking in the first place. Investing in both stats is almost entirely redundant, and most people favor Maintenance because its side benefits (extra energy capacity for implants, armor, and energy weapons) are better than Repair's (a few more replicators and earlier access to some weapons, often before you'll get much ammo for them).
121	* ''VideoGame/TwoWorlds'' lets you put points into a "swimming" skill, which lets you wear armor in water and increases your swimming speed. Since you can't drown, never fight in water, never have a time limit, and can put on and take off armor instantly, this serves purely as a convenience.
122	* ''VideoGame/VampireTheMasqueradeBloodlines'' has the Seduction and Intimidation skills, neither of which do much that the Persuasion skill can't. While they unlock some fun dialogue options and Seduction lets players go the VampiresAreSexGods route by sampling some [[KissOfTheVampire enthusiastic]] blood donors, the PointBuildSystem makes them impractical to spend ExperiencePoints on.
123	* The old RPG ''VideoGame/{{Wasteland}}'' had a few of these. Some skills were useful, like Rifle, Energy Weapon, Perception, and Brawling. Some had limited use, like Demolitions, Swim, and Gambling. And then there were Metallurgy (two uses: to identify free money in a mine, to diagnose a car's issue--and an NPC you could recruit could just fix it himself), Cryptography (one use, though it's to get a lot of good stuff), and Bureaucracy (that one makes sense actually). The ultimate example: the IBM DOS port has a Combat Shooting skill, which can only be bought at character creation. No one--not even Brian Fargo, the man who ''created'' the game--can figure out what it does; hackers and others have come to the conclusion is does absolutely, positively ''nothing''.
124	* ''VideoGame/{{World of Warcraft}}'' has a few, but patches over the years have removed them, or at least made them less annoying to use.
125	** Druids used to have Soothe Animal, that would reduce the [[ConspicuouslySelectivePerception Aggro Radius]] of Beast type enemies. This was basically useless, because druids can avoid fights anyway by using stealth. Cataclysm changed the ability to a "tranquilize" effect, removing Enrage buffs, and removed it entirely in Legion.
126	** "Pickpocketing" for rogues acts as VideoGameStealing, but it can't to much to give rogues money other than giving the occasional ShopFodder item or pocket change.
127	* ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles2:'' The Girl's Talk field skill is only required for a grand total of ''two'' quests. Most other (non-signature) field skills are used to overcome obstacles, gather more items from collectible points, and/or are required prerequisites for starting up merc missions. Girl's Talk falls into none of these categories.
128	** ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles2TornaTheGoldenCountry'' {{lampshade\| hanging}}s the hell out of this by making Girl's Talk Mythra's reward for [[OneHundredPercentCompletion completing every sidequest in the prequel.]] Not only does the description point out that it's not very useful, but even if it was, the process for getting it requires you to finish every part of the game where it ''could'' have come in handy [[BraggingRightsReward without it.]]
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