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| 6 | ->'''[[Characters/BatmanTheJoker Joker]]:''' It's all a ''joke''! Everything anybody ever ''valued'' or ''struggled'' for... it's all a ''monstrous'', demented ''gag''! So why can't ''you'' see the ''funny side''? Why aren't you ''laughing''?\ |
| 7 | '''ComicBook/{{Batman}}:''' Because I've heard it before... and it ''wasn't'' funny the ''first'' time. |
| 8 | -->-- ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke'' |
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| 10 | Here come {{The Cynic}}s, sporting JadeColoredGlasses, and when average people, especially the {{Wide Eyed Idealist}}s, call them out on it, they are quick to claim that IDidWhatIHadToDo, or SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids They are strongly convinced their attitude is inherently more [[StrawVulcan logical]] and realistic, and that those without it are supposedly too childish to accomplish anything. As far as they're concerned, altruism, kindness, compassion, and selflessness are only for fools and will only hinder you and get you taken advantage of, and open displays of those are, at best, hopelessly naive, and at worst are hollow and performative, attention-seeking displays. According to these cynics, we live in a Dog-Eat-Dog world where everyone either has a hidden dagger or is too naive and deluded to realize it, and the only way to succeed is to carry a bigger dagger and have a faster hand. |
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| 12 | These cynics, however, are wrong. Their pessimistic and negligent attitude ironically made them turn lazy, cruel and selfish themselves, wasting their entire philosophical intellect and strength of character in their lamentations. In their sheer apathy, they have sat by and allowed otherwise manageable problems to ferment and fester into full-blown crises and {{Crapsack World}}s, all while missing several golden opportunities to make the world a better place due to constantly thinking about themselves alone in the DespairEventHorizon [[YouCantFightFate for all eternity]]. And in some cases, these misanthropes have even actively made the world a worse place by falsely assuming that everyone was out to screw them and thus opting to screw over and exploit everyone else first. They thus prove themselves to be just as dogmatic, narrow-minded, and damaging as they ''think'' the overtly idealistic characters are, all while soothing their egos with an unearned sense of superiority, claiming they're being "realistic" for wallowing in defeatism, rather than taking a risk to change the situation they claim to despise so much. These characters are often summarily called out for their {{wangst}} precisely because of this. Fittingly, it tends to be done by the very people that the cynic had regarded as fools. It can also happen when an old-fashioned or young character tries too hard to be what they think an adult is, like a PerpetualFrowner. |
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| 14 | This trope is the {{Inver|tedTrope}}sion of SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids, showing that being extremely cynical is not exactly better. Yes, extreme idealism does tend to result in stupid decisions and disasters, but extreme cynicism results in laziness, negligence, cruelty and callousness, and is just as bad, if not even worse, than its idealistic counterpart. This is to show that The SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism does not always stick to one end, but tends to lie somewhere in the middle, and that you need a bit of both to really see the world for what it is. Can be a trait of TheAntiNihilist or the KnightInSourArmor, and used to deconstruct the StrawNihilist mentality. |
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| 16 | The argument ''can'' however be abused, if it's used to stifle legitimate protest, such as when someone justifiably complaining about some social ill is told to [[NoSympathy shut up and stop ruining everyone's fun]] -- or, worse yet, ''[[BlameGame blamed]]'' for the misfortune, or it can also be used to demonstrate a character's naivety. It can also meet somewhere in the middle, as the character doing the calling-out may be overly idealistic and may be oversimplifying the situation but still has a good point, while the cynic may be doing the same about the idealist having an overly sunny view of a truly bad situation. The general consensus however is that the trope is justified to be applied if, after understandably complaining about a legitimate and serious problem, the cynic then uses the same argument as an excuse to either do absolutely nothing about the situation, or to do something horribly selfish and cruel that makes the problem even worse. |
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| 18 | See also SourSupporter for character types that can fall into this. May invoke GoodIsNotDumb. A subtrope of TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong if this means that characters who don't agree with idealists are frowned upon. Often overlaps with {{Wangst}}, typically when the character is using it as an excuse for inaction, or when they are immature, conflating extreme pessimism and nihilism with maturity. Compare TheIdealist, who is likely to use this trope (in contrast to the WideEyedIdealist). |
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| 20 | !!Examples: |
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| 24 | [[folder:Anime & Manga]] |
| 25 | * ''Anime/SailorMoon'': Sailors Uranus and Neptune can't seem to get it through their heads that choosing the more cynical options will only make the end results worse. At the end of the story, the selfish actions of Uranus and Neptune have amounted to [[AllForNothing absolutely nothing]], whereas the optimistic characters like Moon and Chibi-Moon are the ones who end up prevailing over the forces of darkness. |
| 26 | ** Usagi became one of the targets of the Death Busters halfway through the third season, which meant Uranus and Neptune may have had to kill her if her pure heart held one of the talismans. After learning of her real identity, Haruka and Michiru haven't yet grasped that they were willing to kill the girl whom they're trying to ensure will live long enough to become Queen. And once the threat of the Death Busters is gone, they attempt to kill Usagi anyway because they were angry at her for ''not being cynical enough''. |
| 27 | ** Even after they finally concede defeat on Usagi, Uranus and Neptune still don't let go of their cynical viewpoint until the final arc, where they [[spoiler:[[KickTheMoralityPet kill Sailors Saturn and Pluto]] in a desperate attempt to reach Galaxia. Uranus and Neptune manage to get to Galaxia and attempt to take her Star Seed, only to discover after all of their efforts that Galaxia doesn't have a Star Seed. Uranus and Neptune end up dying in front of Sailor Moon, Chibi-Chibi, and the Starlights. This means that the cynical Uranus and Neptune have nearly killed their own charge, actually killed two of their closest friends, and committed a SenselessSacrifice, all because they just couldn't accept any viewpoint besides the most cynical one]]. |
| 28 | * ''Manga/GreatTeacherOnizuka'': Often a particularly jaded character (such like Urumi, Miyabi, Ms. Daimon...) will go in a rant about the rotting of society, AdultsAreUseless or abusive/perverted creeps, kids are delinquents, you can't trust anybody or they'll abuse you or take advantage of you... Only to be told they're just blind cynics and that mindset is one of the roots of those troubles. [[TheHero Onizuka]] went so far to tell Urumi her outlook is not logical; it's cowardly. |
| 29 | * This is a major theme in ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'': |
| 30 | ** The younger generation of ninja that Naruto belongs to are idealists, while the older ninja are cynics. Somewhat understandable in that Naruto's generation are young and haven't lived through a war yet. However, the narrative frequently depicts the cynical views that peace is impossible and people can't understand each other as completely wrong. The people who buy into this cynicism most are villains, some of whom are fallen idealists that turn around and help the heroes when Naruto or another challenges their cynical outlook--or in cases where they aren't redeemed, still goes through a massive HeelRealization moments before their defeat. |
| 31 | ** Nobody embodies this trope better than the BigBadDuumvirate: [[spoiler:Madara and Obito Uchiha. Both have completely given up on the world and plan to use [[LotusEaterMachine Infinite Tsukuyomi]] to trap everyone in a "perfect" dream-world with them. Obito is clearly shown doing this because his life experiences have turned him into a nihilist that doesn't care about anything but leaving behind the reality he's come to hate so much, while Madara, the biggest cynic in the series, talks about their "accursed world" and how people are always destined to be losers as long as winners exist anywhere --similarly, though not as widely detailed, it is a result of living a brutal life of war during the infamous Warring States era.]] |
| 32 | ** Danzo also embodied this mindset. Playing the dark to Sarutobi's light, he was quite the WellIntentionedExtremist. Unfortunately, his actions contributed to the StartOfDarkness of Nagato, Kabuto and Sasuke, among other indirect consequences of his actions. By the time Danzo was killed off, he ultimately left behind a huge mess for everyone else to clean up while he utterly failed to accomplish anything. |
| 33 | * {{Invoked|Trope}} in the final episode of ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'', by the main character, after Homura had espoused the opposite for much of the series. [[spoiler: "If someone says it's wrong to hope, I will tell them that they're wrong every time. I could tell them that countless times." It's not just idle talk, either: Madoka uses her wish to [[CosmicRetcon rewrite the laws of the universe]], saving magical girls past, present and future from a FateWorseThanDeath and [[AbstractApotheosis becoming the embodiment of Hope]].]] |
| 34 | * ''Manga/BlackLagoon'': Revy gets this from "the little maid" Fabiola at the end of the "El Baile de la Muerte" arc, but it's doubtful it had any effect. |
| 35 | * ''Anime/ValvraveTheLiberator'''s Haruto has this quality. Not only does he deal with an {{Expy}} of the bitter [[Anime/CodeGeass Lelouch]], but also villains [[JadeColoredGlasses who believe humans and immortal vampires can never live together.]] [[spoiler: At the cost of his life, he succeeds, and his ideals are honored by his friends and allies.]] |
| 36 | * While ''Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann'' doesn't endorse blind idealism, the series is a battle between idealism and cynicism, where idealism tempered through experience wins through. This is shown in the final battle where Team Dai Gurren counters the BigBad's ShutUpKirk and SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids with this trope and ShutUpHannibal. While the villain [[AntiVillain might have had a good reason for doing what he did]], the heroes counter that it doesn't excuse his actions, since he never attempted anything else. |
| 37 | * This is Sakura's stance in ''Anime/ZombieLandSaga''. Sure, she's an amnesiac zombie caught up in a madman's plan to restore Saga's reputation through singing, and that is a situation that is both extremely traumatic and completely bonkers... but that's no reason to give up on life, and in the second episode she calls out the other zombies for assuming there's no hope in their situation. While BattleRapping with the one that thinks she's just a doormat. Bonus points for turning to the old people watching them and telling them their lives aren't over yet either, so they can do something about it (despite them living in a retirement home). [[spoiler:And then when she falls head-first into cynicism when she gets her memories of her [[DarkAndTroubledPast frankly shitty]] life back at the cost of forgetting her accomplishments as a zombie, thinking that [[NeverBeHurtAgain she should just stop in order to keep from failing yet again]], the rest of the cast turn this back on her.]] |
| 38 | * An interpretation of even the BittersweetEnding for ''Anime/RevolutionaryGirlUtena'' as almost everyone manages move on from their past struggles by eventually going in this route. A most notable one who does not get through this is [[spoiler:Aiko/Dios who he refuses to see anything beyond power, his delusions of fantasy tropes, and continued scorn of humanity in general. Not only is his chance at reclaiming his power forever lost, but his ignorance in seeing the actual changes Utena had left prompts Anthy to leave him for himself]]. |
| 39 | * In ''Manga/ThePromisedNeverland'' Emma is frequently criticized for her seemingly naive plan to [[spoiler: escape Grace Field with all of the children, rather than just with Norman and Ray, which would be significantly easier.]] And while she does have to make a small concession to practicality, [[spoiler: namely only escaping with the children that are old enough to walk on their own two feet, with the intent to rescue the younger children at a later date,]] in sticking to her beliefs she is on track to achieving her ideal ending, something that would be impossible if she gave in to cynicism. |
| 40 | * ''Literature/ACertainMagicalIndex'': Kakeru Kamisato calls Touma Kamijou naive for wanting to save everybody. He says the smart thing is to concentrate on saving one or a few and leave the rest to die, because if you waste time trying to save everybody, you won't save anybody. However, Touma consistently manages to save everybody by never giving up and using methods Kakeru never thought of, causing Kakeru to admit he was wrong. |
| 41 | * In ''Anime/DeathParade'', shortly after realizing [[spoiler:she is human]], the dark-haired woman [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech calls out]] Decim's condescending, impassive behavior, essentially saying that bringing out the worst in people makes him nothing more than a walking CynicismCatalyst who could never hope to care for or understand anyone. He always insisted that this was about analyzing human behavior and brushed off her criticisms before this, but for once, he's unable to fight back. |
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| 44 | [[folder:Comic Books]] |
| 45 | * ComicBook/{{Superman}}'s ArchEnemy Lex Luthor frequently laments that Superman has caused mankind to become lazy and kept people from progressing. Luthor claims that without Superman, scientists (especially Lex himself) could have time and motivation to make world-changing inventions to end the suffering of millions. Superman retorts that he isn't stopping anyone from doing such things; the reason Lex doesn't use his genius to benefit mankind is [[JerkWithAHeartOfJerk because Lex doesn't want to]], with or without Superman in the picture. Superman once said as much, point-blank, to Luthor in ''ComicBook/AllStarSuperman'', where Superman is dying and Luthor is trying to get in one final parting shot. During a VillainousBreakdown, Luthor ends up saying that he could have saved the world if it wasn't for Superman's interference. Superman's response is "You could have saved the world years ago if it mattered to you, Luthor." This actually makes Luthor drop the MaskOfSanity and admit as much. |
| 46 | ** Probably his crowning example of this trope is the story ''ComicBook/WhatsSoFunnyAboutTruthJusticeAndTheAmericanWay'': Superman is presented with a team of supers who think killing the bad guy is the first and only solution, or, as they put it, 'cutting out societies tumors'. When public opinion starts to sway to their way of thinking, it seems like Superman had finally given in and started to kill the members of the team... Only to eventually reveal that it was a ScareEmStraight act to show the world exactly why they ''[[BewareTheSuperman do not]]'' want a Superman who thinks killing is okay. What really sells this trope, however, is the final dialogue between Superman and Manchester Black. |
| 47 | ---> '''Manchester Black''': So long as a heart beats in my chest, I'll come after you, you poncy twit! If you think this is over, you're living in a bloody dream world! |
| 48 | ---> '''Superman''': You know what, Black? I wouldn't have it any other way. Dreams save us. Dreams lift us up and transform us into something better. And on my soul, I swear... that until my dream of a world where dignity, honor and justice are the reality we all share, I'll never stop fighting. Ever. |
| 49 | * In ''ComicBook/ElseworldsFinestSupergirlAndBatgirl'', Batgirl (paranoid and mistrustful) tells Supergirl (idealistic and innocent) that she has no clue what real life is, but Supergirl replies that Batgirl doesn't know the real world as well as she likes to believe. |
| 50 | * In issue #11 of ''ComicBook/DaredevilMarkWaid'', Matt encounters a female protégé of the Punisher (who lost her fiancé) and tries to sympathize with her by bringing up heroes who also lost loved ones. However, when she says that nobody can be as driven as her and Matt without a tragedy, he ultimately throws his billy club at her face, and gives a speech stating that the idea that you need a tragic event to fight for justice is ludicrous. |
| 51 | -->'''Daredevil:''' ...That is a repellent statement. It's a vomitous insult to every ''cop'' -- every ''fireman'' -- every ''soldier'' alive who steps up to fight for those who can't! I am sorry for your loss! [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech But if you genuinely believe that only the death of a loved one can motivate a human being to take up a cause...]] then get your '''''pathetic, cynical ass''''' out of my way so I can do my job! |
| 52 | * In ''ComicBook/MaximumCarnage'', Peter confronts his father on his CrapsackWorld view. Peter points out that the world is full of people who listen to their hearts and do the right thing, every single day, because that's who they are. As such, people like Carnage can never win as long as ordinary people are decent and kind. |
| 53 | -->'''Peter:''' This world is full of men and women who have the courage to listen to their hearts... and who believe in doing what's right! I'm not just talking about heroes, Dad. I mean everyday people... like you and me! The devils can never win... as long as we have hope! That's why you can't give up! You mustn't surrender to despair... or you'll run the risk of becoming a monster yourself! |
| 54 | * In one short story in the ''ComicBook/BatmanBlackAndWhite'' series, a battle between Batman and the Joker ends with the two of them at the top of a ferris wheel, but the Joker in captivity. On the way down, the Joker taunts Batman about his mission and points out that he'll never stop crime (the societal ill). After a moment, Batman smiles and retorts that he stops crime (people breaking the law and terrorising the innocent) every night. Point being, it just depends on how you look at it. |
| 55 | * ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke'' has [[Characters/BatmanTheJoker The Joker]] profess that the entire world, or at least every individual person, is "one bad day" away from becoming a monster just like him. ComicBook/{{Batman}} counters that Joker is wrong, and the comic's plot proves it -- Joker paralyzed Barbara Gordon with a bullet through the sternum, kidnapped her, then tied up Jim Gordon while showing off horrific photos of Barbara's suffering. But, neither Jim nor Barbara Gordon broke and surrendered to cynicism like Joker did. And for that matter, neither did Batman despite his own "one bad day" in the past; Batman chose to be a light in the world and renew hope rather than give into nihilism. At the end of the comic, Batman even offers to help the Joker try and turn things around, but [[RedemptionRejection Joker rejects it]], showing how self-defeating and pointless it all was. |
| 56 | * ''ComicBook/FlexMentallo'': The Hoaxer says as much to Moonman, telling him that he wants to kill everyone because they remind him of everything he's missing out on and that his 'realism' is just pessimism. |
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| 59 | [[folder:Fan Works]] |
| 60 | * ''Fanfic/AshAndSerenasAtomicOdyssey'': Chapter 37 reveals that Sayaka, Serena's most antagonistic rival in Pokémon Contests, used to be a lot like Serena when she started competing, wanting to make people smile with her performances. But after she failed miserably in the competitions, she decided she had to become stronger and more ruthless, and force herself to leave behind her childhood dreams if she wanted to make it to the top. [[IHatePastMe As Serena reminds her a lot of her former self]], Sayaka has a compulsive need to beat her to prove that she made the correct choice, and during their battle she tries to break Serena telling her that she will never beat her with that mindset. However, [[ShutUpHannibal Serena counters that Sayaka is a quitter for abandoning her childhood dreams]], and while she ultimately loses the battle for the ribbon, it only gives her extra motivation to become stronger to beat her and eventually prove her wrong. |
| 61 | * ''WebVideo/MyLittlePonyTotallyLegitRecap'': |
| 62 | ** The show's cynical creator/narrator DWK, and by extension the characters, regularly act like the world is just a sad, messed up place, viewing anyone who shows lots of optimism and has a positive attitude as abnormal. At the same time, it also portrays the cynics as miserable and often empty, with many of the show's lessons shifted to say that sulking in cynicism and misery just wastes time that could be devoted to having fun and improving ones self. |
| 63 | ** When Maud is nearly DrivenToSuicide because she can't tell herself she's happy in her lonely existence anymore, but feels trying to improve her situation would be too much work, Pinkie helps snap her out of it with "WeAllDieSomeday, so don't speed it along and [[TheAntiNihilist try to enjoy the time you have. Worst case, you'll get what you wanted in the end anyway, but you might actually be happy]]." |
| 64 | ** The recaps of ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls Equestria Girls]]'' preach the lessons that "you'd be surprised what people are willing to forgive, but you've got to make the effort," along with "age and maturity are two entirely different things." |
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| 67 | [[folder:Films -- Live-Action]] |
| 68 | * In the German film ''Film/{{Sterne}}'', [[StrawNihilist Walter]], who is disillusioned both by his service on the Eastern front and by the treatment of prisoners in a nearby concentration camp, gets this response from Ruth, a Jewish woman, who eventually convinces him that even if he's powerless to put a stop to the evils around him, he can still make a difference -- no matter how small. |
| 69 | * ''Franchise/StarWars'': |
| 70 | ** The film-era Luke Skywalker walks away with this one. Han Solo disbelieves he can do much of anything on a galactic scale, only wanting enough cash to get Jabba off his tail. Obi-Wan and Yoda have written his dad off as a total, irredeemable loss. Hell, [[IveComeTooFar even Vader himself doesn't see any sort of personal redemption coming]]. Luke matures over the course of the films, but doesn't ditch the idealism. He brings Han around first, enough that Han himself becomes more idealistic [[Film/TheForceAwakens later in life]] [[spoiler:(even if he fails to talk his son into leaving the Dark Side)]], and then proves his masters, his father, and the Emperor ''[[HeelFaceTurn dead wrong]]'' about Anakin. |
| 71 | ** This is one of the main messages of ''Film/TheRiseOfSkywalker''. Zorii Bliss tells Poe that the forces of darkness are actually depending on people's fear and cynicism, reminding him that the forces of good and decent people greatly outnumber those of the dark. [[spoiler:She is proven correct, during the climax of the film.]] |
| 72 | * ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'': |
| 73 | ** ''Film/Batman1989'': Though this film usually proposes the opposite trope, occasionally challenges cynicism, if more subtly. Both Alfred and (much more tactfully) Vicki Vale try to tell Bruce that being Batman is a waste of time ("I have no wish to spend my few remaining years grieving for the loss of old friends -- or their sons" / "It doesn't have to be a perfect world"); Bruce doesn't listen in either case, and Gotham City is so much the better for it. And ''Film/BatmanReturns'' contains this little gem: |
| 74 | --->'''The Penguin:''' You don't really think you'll win, do you?\ |
| 75 | '''Batman:''' [[ShutUpHannibal Things change.]] |
| 76 | ** ''Film/BatmanForever'': Batman convinces Dick Grayson to let go of his anger regarding the Riddler having killed his parents, and [[spoiler: convinced Mr. Freeze to help him save Alfred]] in ''Film/BatmanAndRobin''. |
| 77 | ** ''Film/BatmanBegins'': Bruce rejects Ra's Al Ghul's belief that Gotham is beyond saving. |
| 78 | ** ''Film/TheDarkKnight'': Bruce is confident that the Joker's scheme to prove that deep down everyone is as ugly as him will fail. The people of Gotham prove him right in the end. |
| 79 | ** ''Film/TheDarkKnightRises'': Bruce Wayne isn't exactly a sunny optimist himself, but he never loses faith that cynical, hardbitten thief Selina Kyle can be a better person than she is -- even after she betrays him, much to her incredulity. He's eventually proven right. |
| 80 | * Hornbeck, having spouted off cynical one-liners at everyone for most of ''Theatre/InheritTheWind'', gets a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech from Drummond at the very end. |
| 81 | -->'''Drummond:''' Don't you understand the meaning of what happened here today?\ |
| 82 | '''Hornbeck:''' What happened here today [[StrawNihilist has no meaning.]]\ |
| 83 | '''Drummond:''' ''You'' have no meaning! Your whole life has no meaning. You're like a ghost pointing an empty sleeve and smirking at everything people feel or want or struggle for. I pity you.\ |
| 84 | '''Hornbeck:''' You pity me?\ |
| 85 | '''Drummond:''' Isn't there anything? What touches you? What warms you? Every man has a dream. What do you dream about? What do you ''need''? You don't need anything, do you? People? Love? An idea just to cling to? You poor slob. You're all alone. [[DyingAlone When you go to your grave, there won't be anybody to pull the grass up over your head.]] Nobody to mourn you. Nobody to give a damn. You're all alone.\ |
| 86 | '''Hornbeck:''' You're wrong, Henry. You'll be there. You're the type. Who else would defend my right to be lonely? |
| 87 | * In ''Film/{{Cinderella|2015}}'', a key divide between Ella and her stepmother is that Tremaine has grown bitter after spending years unloved and poor while Ella has kept herself hopeful. Because of this, Tremaine resents Ella even more for not breaking like she has, and keeps abusing her in hopes that the young woman too will crack. [[spoiler:Then when interrogating Ella about her glass slipper, she cannot believe that it was just given to her when Tremaine has had to pay and bargain for everything. The idea that Ella's idealism would be rewarded is unthinkable to her, and in her MotiveRant she suggests it's unfair that Ella would just receive a happily ever after with "no effort" while Tremaine's "hard work" would come to nothing]]. |
| 88 | * ''Film/PathsOfGlory'': Colonel Dax turns General Broulard's dismissal of Dax's idealism back on the General with a single resigned remark. |
| 89 | -->'''General Broulard:''' We're fighting a war, Dax, a war that we've got to win. Those men didn't fight, so they were shot. You bring charges against General Mireau, so I insist that he answer them. Wherein have I done wrong?\ |
| 90 | '''Colonel Dax:''' Because you don't know the answer to that question... I pity you. |
| 91 | * ''Film/{{Tomorrowland}}'' features this as an underlying theme, as the BigBad himself admits people choose apathy ''precisely'' because it requires no effort, and only idealistic {{Science Hero}}es are willing to put in the work of [[WorldHalfFull making things better]]. |
| 92 | * ''Film/TheGunsOfNavarone'' has Corporal Miller, played by David Niven who uses his cynicism as a means of avoiding responsibility for they kinds of decisions the need to be made in wartime. Captain Mallory calls him on it. |
| 93 | * In ''Film/{{Wargames}}'', the death of his son left Stephen Falken with the attitude that if humanity is going to eventually be extinct, anyway, there's no point in stopping the computer from launching missiles at the Soviet Union. David responds that if we're all dead, it's just stupid. |
| 94 | * ''Film/MissionImpossibleFallout'' challenges Ethan Hunt's refusal to compromise his morals even if it jeopardizes his missions. In the beginning, terrorists manage to steal plutonium right from under his nose when he refuses to sacrifice Luther for it. The CIA chief Erica Sloan is not happy about this and thinks this is proof that IMF is a bunch of "grown men running around in Halloween masks". Hunt's superior Hunley however believes that Hunt's refusal to sacrifice one life for the "greater good" is actually his greatest ''strength'' since it means people trust Hunt. [[spoiler:The movie ultimately ends by vindicating Ethan. Erica Sloan even comes around and realizes the value of having someone who cares about individual lives as well as the mission (if only because that means ''she'' doesn't have to care).]] To emphasize this even further, [[spoiler:it was Sloan's own cynical refusal to trust IMF that jeopardizes the mission and culminated in Hunley's death.]] |
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| 97 | [[folder:Literature]] |
| 98 | * ''Literature/SixteenThirtyTwo'': In the [[WordOfGod Author's Notes]] of the first novel, this trope is all but named as the driving source for the tone of the series, as a response to the cynicism that had flooded the Sci-Fi genre at the time. Eric Flint specifically calls Cynicism weak and narrow-minded as a philosophy. |
| 99 | * ''Literature/AnimalFarm'': ZigZaggingTrope with Benjamin the Donkey. His cynicism makes him one of the only characters to see past the pigs' lies, but at the same time, he's too jaded to ''do'' anything about their oppression, which makes him somewhat complicit in their crimes. |
| 100 | * ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}'': Team cynic Marco notes this to Rachel while Jake is out of commission. They need a fast, straightforward [[ThePlan plan]] for a high-risk rescue, and he explains that that's not his territory -- his cynicism makes him too cautious to address that situation, [[TheLeader so she needs to lead.]] |
| 101 | * ''Literature/BekaCooper'': In ''Terrier'', the first book, Beka's Dog (police) mentors, Tunstall and Goodwin, don't search for the Shadow Snake (a comfort/profit [[SerialKiller serial child killer]] who's terrorized the Lower City for three years), or the person who was mining fire opals and killing the people who dug them out to keep it secret (eight or nine at a time), because, as they explain to Beka, idealism just doesn't work in the [[WretchedHive Lower City]]. There's just too much crime, and they advise Beka to forget about that before she commits suicide in despair over not being able to help everyone. Beka nonetheless continues her search, enlisting the help of the [[LovableRogue lovable rogues]] who share her house, and in the end is able to catch both the one responsible for the Opal Murders (as they have been dubbed by the time of the next book) ''and'' the Shadow Snake. Now you know why they call her [[RedBaron Terrier]]... |
| 102 | * ''Literature/TheCatcherInTheRye'': Both Phoebe and Mr. Antolini try to get Holden Caulfield to see that [[ItsAllAboutMe he's just as narcissistic]] as the "phony" people he claims to hate, and that much of his unhappiness is self-inflicted. In the end, Holden at least concludes that he has to let Phoebe grow up and be her own person. Holden also tries to prevent kids from seeing a giant graffiti spray of the word "FUCK" on a wall during the final chapter, implying they at least partially got through to him. |
| 103 | * Creator/CSLewis: |
| 104 | ** This is what happens to the dwarves at the end of ''Literature/TheLastBattle'' -- they end up in [[{{Heaven}} Aslan's country]] with everybody else, but they're too cynical to believe it, and manage to delude themselves into believing they're still locked in the dark stable they were thrown into. Even when Aslan makes a feast appear before him, they change it in their minds to the yucky stuff you might find in a stable (hay, donkey water and so on). |
| 105 | ** The [[SeenItAll Hard-Bitten Ghost]] of ''Literature/TheGreatDivorce'' has lost his ability to enjoy anything, including Heaven, partially because he doesn't trust anything. He is a conspiracy theorist that thinks that every Wonder of the World is the product of a World Combine that's there to extort money out of travelers, and that Heaven and Hell are on the same side, playing a scam on the Ghosts. He is in sight of eternal happiness, but he can't accept it because he's too cynical to believe it exists. The AuthorAvatar, being the kind of person who would generally trust the kind of person the Hard-Bitten Ghost was in life, can't quite shake off the other man's cynicism and finds himself asking his (eventual) guide why the people of heaven don't rescue the people of hell (as it turns out, that's an ability exclusive to {{God}}. Given that the AuthorAvatar himself had arrived in heaven via riding a bus, that raises interesting implications as to [[GodWasMyCopilot who the driver was]]). |
| 106 | * ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'': Somewhat common, especially with Rincewind. The guy would be so obviously right in his cynicism... but Twoflower would come out fine anyway, leaving Rincewind looking like an idiot. |
| 107 | * ''[[Literature/{{Asunder}} Dragon Age: Asunder]]'': The Divine Justinia V gives a retort to the [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids cynicism]] of [[KnightTemplar Lord Seeker Lambert]]: |
| 108 | -->'''Justinia''': Idealism is our stock in trade, Lambert. A religion without ideals is tyranny. |
| 109 | * ''Literature/GreenSkyTrilogy'': The cynical Neric tells Raamo that Genaa cannot be trusted and is too steeped in Ol-Zhaan privilege to be sympathetic to their plans. Not only does Neric turn out to be wrong, but Genaa turns out to be [[TheSmartGuy the one with the tactical savvy]] to pull off their scheme. |
| 110 | * ''Literature/HarounAndTheSeaOfStories'': Haroun's problem is that he has become so cynical he can't accept the reality of the sea of stories despite being beaten over the head with it. Pointed out by Blabbermouth. |
| 111 | -->"That's the problem with you sad city types. You think a place has to be boring and dull as ditch water before you accept it as real." |
| 112 | * ''Literature/HarryPotter'': Zig-zagged. While Voldemort is not “cynical” per se - indeed, he often celebrates his power and influence in the wizarding world - the initial description of his outlook in ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndThePhilosophersStone Philosopher’s Stone]]'' largely holds true for the entire series: “There is no good and evil. There is only power and those too weak to seek it.” |
| 113 | ** In their various conflicts, Harry himself rarely wastes time trying to appeal to Voldemort’s “better nature”; the major exception being their final showdown at the end of ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Deathly Hallows]]'', where he gives clear warning that unless the dark lord sees past his own limited understanding and tries for some real remorse, things will not end well for him. |
| 114 | * ''Theatre/NoExit'': This is part of Jean-Paul Sartre's point. At the end of the story, it's implied that the main characters could leave at any time they wished to, but their own character flaws and lack of empathy with each other prevent them from doing so. |
| 115 | * Creator/OscarWilde: Called a cynic 'a man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing'. |
| 116 | * ''Literature/PrideAndPrejudice'': Elizabeth's cynical outlook on life allows Wickham to completely dupe her about Darcy's true nature. The irony is that Elizabeth acted this way in order to avoid being played for a fool; she was still played, but it just happened in a different way. |
| 117 | * ''Literature/TheStormlightArchive'': This is a major theme. In Alethkar the nobility are very suspicious of each other to the point where any sense of honor is a façade at best and true friendships impossible. Normally an alliance results in a GambitPileup as the allies work against each other from the outset. However, the series looks like its making the argument that in such a cynical system, no matter how sensible mistrust would be, is ultimately unsustainable and self-defeating. |
| 118 | * Franchise/TolkiensLegendarium: One of the main themes of ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'' and Tolkien's work in general is the evils of cynicism and despair. Evil triumphs because people believe it can't be fought and give up (Denethor and initially Théoden) or join it (Saruman). The only way for good to triumph is fight against despair, even if things look hopeless. And it's the acts of good by the smallest of people that end up saving Middle-Earth. |
| 119 | * ''Literature/WingsOfFire'': The fifth book in the series focuses on Sunny, and spends a good deal of time showing why idealism is so important to her. Her friends have a tendency to [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids dismiss her idealism]]... which has naturally been less than psychologically helpful to her. However, she makes it a ''very'' clear point that she believes in making the world better, because that ''is'' how the world gets better--and if nobody tries to improve things, then nothing will improve. Her actions make her friends start to see her in a new light. |
| 120 | * Eeyore from ''Literature/WinnieThePooh'' is on the receiving end of this in the penultimate chapter of ''The House at Pooh Corner''. Eeyore is bitterly complaining about being alone all the time, until Rabbit essentially tells Eeyore that he's always alone because he isn't making the effort to connect with anyone. Instead of constantly feeling sorry for himself and stewing in cynicism, Eeyore has to make an effort and visit his friends instead of expecting them to come to him all the time. |
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| 123 | [[folder:Live-Action TV]] |
| 124 | * In ''Series/DoctorWho'', the Doctor calls out various cynical, dark mindsets throughout the series. Those who attempt a BreakingSpeech on the Doctor will often end up themselves on the receiving end of the same. Or a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown. Maybe both. |
| 125 | ** The Doctor in most incarnations relies on the Doctor’s companions to help the Doctor out, begrudgingly or otherwise. This often puts the Doctor at odds against the scum of the universe that the Doctor faces down, who believe ItsAllAboutMe and act accordingly. The Doctor is very quick to correct this attitude. |
| 126 | ** The Thirteenth Doctor is a rather dorky GenkiGirl after her regeneration. However, she refuses to consider the possibility of a cynical outcome, even outright ignoring the most hardcore cynics. |
| 127 | ** Creator/CraigFerguson said something to this effect as a summary of the main theme of ''Series/DoctorWho''. Indeed, the arc of the very first Doctor was that of a bitter old man realizing the importance of kindness and empathy. Since then, the main theme of the show is the triumph of these ideals, no matter how dark the world gets. |
| 128 | --->'''Craig:''' And if there is any hope for any of us in this giant explosion in which we inhabit, then surely that's it: intellect and romance triumph over brute force and cynicism! |
| 129 | * ''Franchise/StarTrek'' is very big on this trope. |
| 130 | ** In the ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' episode "A Taste of Armageddon", the Eminian leader insists that peace is impossible and that their 500-year-old simulated war with declared casualties [[WeWillHaveEuthanasiaInTheFuture reporting in to be neatly and cleanly killed]] is the lesser of two evils. [[KirkSummation Kirk insists]] that they can make peace if they just try harder. Kirk helpfully provides them with motivation to do so by shutting down the war computer and [[MortonsFork forcing them to choose]] between real-world messy warfare and swallowing enough pride to find a peaceful solution. |
| 131 | ** Even ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine Deep Space Nine]]'' -- quite possibly the darkest show in the ''Star Trek'' franchise -- has a number of episodes railing against cynicism. It often shows cynics as self-hating losers who do nothing but whine, while idealists do something to fix the problem. |
| 132 | * The ''Series/BabylonFive'' episode "Intersections in Real Time" focuses on a StateSec interrogator attempting to break Sheridan's will and get him confess to a laundry list of political crimes. The interrogator consistently displays a very cynical outlook, stating that the preeminent truth of the time is that you can't fight City Hall, and tries to paint Sheridan's idealism as futile. Sheridan disagrees at every turn, remaining true to his ideals even in the face of grueling torture. At one point, he sums up his attitude by stating that all he has to do to win is to say "No, I won't," one more time than the people trying to oppress him can say "Yes, you will." The interrogator asks him if he thinks he can win, and he says "Every time I say 'no.'" |
| 133 | * Learning this is essentially Jeff Winger's whole character arc on ''Series/{{Community}}''. He's a jaded ex-lawyer who, initially at least, honestly believes that everyone is selfish and out for themselves, the world is corrupt and other people only exist to be used to benefit you before being cast aside when you're done with them before they do the same to you. It's pretty clear, though, that his cynicism has left him lonely, miserable, and objectively speaking just as big a failure as everyone else at Greendale no matter how much he may disdain them. |
| 134 | --> '''Jeff''': The truth is--the pathetically, stupidly, inconveniently obvious truth is--helping only ourselves is bad, and helping each other is good.... It's that easy. You just stop thinking about what's best for you, and start thinking what's good for someone else. And you can change the whole game, with just one move. |
| 135 | * In an episode of ''Bringing Up Daddy,'' Danny's oldest daughter has fallen for a {{Beatnik}}. He and Danny end up having an argument about the beatnik's relentless cynicism, with Danny arguing that his attitude is just an excuse to avoid doing anything about the social problems which the beatnik is endlessly complaining about. |
| 136 | * Series/{{Angel}} gives a speech like this to Kate at the end of an episode in which his enemies were trying to make him lose hope. |
| 137 | -->'''Angel''': If there is no greater plan, then the smallest act of kindness is the greatest thing there is. |
| 138 | * ''Series/HouseMD'' gets a speech like this at least once a season, hammering him over and over that he's only so miserable because he ''chooses'' to be miserable. It never sticks... until the GrandFinale where his subconscious finally gets through to him that he can either die or change, and he chooses the latter by faking his death. |
| 139 | * In ''Series/SamuraiGourmet'', this is sometimes what Kasumi would like to say to say to a fellow patron, but can't because of JapanesePoliteness. Then the samurai demonstrates that it's really the right thing to do. Occasionally, Kasumi will actually follow through on this inspiration; other times, it will be made moot before Kasumi can embarrass himself. |
| 140 | * It's not just cynicism that makes the world of ''Series/KamenRiderBuild'' seem terrible. It ''really is'' a terrible place that just keeps on falling apart because HumansAreBastards. Sento Kiryu believes that it can be better and uses what [[AmnesiacHero meager]] [[QuestForIdentity existence]] he has to make it work. It's hard to stay a true hardcore cynic when hanging out with him as several people found out. |
| 141 | * ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'': When Dean goes back in time and finds out that Eliot Ness was secretly a monster hunter, Dean asks him who he lost. Ness doesn't understand the question. Dean tells him that every hunter he ever met became one as a result of a personal tragedy, even relating a little bit of [[TraumaCongaLine his own life story]]. Ness calls Dean the most depressing person he ever met, and tells him that he hunts monsters because it's fun. |
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| 144 | [[folder:Music]] |
| 145 | * The core message of the Music/MiseryIndex songs "The Weakener" and "Gallows Humor": evil loves lazy cynics and blind nihilists, ''especially'' the vocal ones, and it really doesn't matter how little you care when it's at your doorstep and ready to take you away. |
| 146 | * This is the underlying message of ''Music/TheOffspring'' song "Cool To Hate." The opening lines contain the lyric "I like to hate stuff, 'cause then I don't have to try and make a change," as a way of showing how pointless the mindset is. The singer of the song is presented as a total loser, singing about how he hates "anyone who's cool", implying he doesn't really hate people for any reason beyond a petty and shallow one. |
| 147 | * Music/LouisArmstrong is famous for his recording of "What a Wonderful World" from 1967, but he did another, less-famous version later. For this second take, he added a spoken-word "preface" that directly addressed naysayers who pointed out that the world wasn't so wonderful after all. |
| 148 | -->'''Louis:''' Seems to me, it ain't the world that's so bad, but what we're doing to it. And all I'm saying is, "See what a wonderful world it would be, if only we gave it a chance." |
| 149 | * Music/PhilOchs's "Love Me, I'm a Liberal" does this at the end of the song. The singer -- a BourgeoisBohemian RuleAbidingRebel {{Hypocrite}} -- explains that the singer used to be a genuine believer in social change, but now that the singer has "grown up", the singer realizes that revolutionary politics will never work and anyone who "goes too far" is not to be trusted. Naturally, the intention is the opposite; the message is that claiming that real change is impossible only holds water because of pessimists like the singer who [[SelfFulfillingProphecy actively try to prevent change because they think it won't work]]. |
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| 152 | [[folder:Podcasts]] |
| 153 | * ''Podcast/TheAdventureZoneBalance'': Merle's interactions with a character who has [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids the exact opposite mentality]] in ''The Stolen Century'' are built on this trope. |
| 154 | -->'''Merle:''' You can continue wallowing in your sadness and your oblivion and seeing nothing but the negative, and I'm gonna go on my way. And I'll tell you what—if we ever meet each other somewhere in infinity, you can apologize to me and tell me you were wrong. |
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| 156 | |
| 157 | [[folder:Theatre]] |
| 158 | * In the stage adaptation of ''Theatre/AnAmericanInParis'', composer Adam, a World War II veteran, holds to the belief that TrueArtIsAngsty, while his friend Henri maintains that art should be inspiring and uplifting. After Adam learns that Henri fought in the French Resistance during the war, he slowly comes to the decision that, if Henri can still believe in the idea of beauty after witnessing the ugliness of the war, then maybe he has the right idea all along. Although he can't resist one last bit of snark: "I hate it when French people are right!" |
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| 161 | [[folder:Video Games]] |
| 162 | * ''VideoGame/FearEffect'': Royce Glas is the cynical one. Hana Tzu-Vachel is the idealistic one. Glas is treated as the ButtMonkey and TheLancer. Hana is treated as the IronWoobie and TheHero. It probably won't surprise you that the best ending in the first game essentially has Hana winning out without having to shoot Glas. |
| 163 | * As dark as the games can sometimes get, this is a recurring theme of the ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' series. |
| 164 | ** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVI'' has this as its central theme. As bad as things can sometimes get, you can still find something to live for and hold on to. And it's never bad to hope. The game's villain, Kefka, is a StrawNihilist who says that nothing has meaning since everything will die one day. The characters go through Hell and back, but they prove him wrong. |
| 165 | ** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII'': Squall seems aware that his dark attitude denies him opportunities for what he thinks would be brief moments of happiness, but he does it to avoid feeling further pain as a result of the loss of those moments. The whole game is about Squall overcoming this mindset and learning to be better for it. |
| 166 | ** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIX'' centralizes this with Vivi. After learning that he's going to die at an early age, Vivi doesn't let it get him down. He still chooses to keep going, because he has friends who need him and care about him. |
| 167 | ** Both ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' and ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX2'' give Yuna a choice: do what's easy and sacrifice others, or do what's hard and push yourself. Yuna, being TheHero, always chooses the hard options. The cynical maesters, and those who say Sin can never be defeated, at best, end up worse off than before for their selfish actions, and several end up dead. Yuna, however, [[EarnYourHappyEnding is ultimately rewarded]]. |
| 168 | ** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV'' taps this button a couple of different times throughout the main story plot, before making it the entire focus of the ''Endwalker'' expansion. [[PlayerCharacter The Warrior of Light]] is put through the ringer, undergoes quite a bit of HeroicFatigue from [[DudeWheresMyRespect a lack of respect from common people]], and is expected to carry the weight of the world on their shoulders. In spite of that, the Warrior also passes many a SecretTestOfCharacter that proves they have not just HeroicResolve, but the determination to keep going in spite of things continuously looking more and more hopeless. The Warrior could give into cynicism and give up, but they never do, because [[WeHelpTheHelpless somebody's got to step up and fight when things are hard]]. ''Endwalker'' also features a prayer from Matsya and the people of Radz-at-Han, which says essentially that life can be hard but you must never give up hope, for MiseryBuildsCharacter. |
| 169 | --->'''Prayer:''' Know this, my children. There is more ugliness than beauty in this world. To live is to suffer. To drink of calamity and drown in anguish. To toil and be tested, always and ever. 'Tis a perilous path you walk. Death lurks in the dark, and is the sole promise that awaits at journey's end. You will tremble with terror. You will weep tears of anger and despair. But do not avert your eyes. See your life for what it is. Then you will see how the hardships make you strong. Every doubt reforged as scales for your armor. Every agony to temper your blade. |
| 170 | * ''VideoGame/InjusticeGodsAmongUs'' starts with ComicBook/TheJoker making ComicBook/{{Superman}} suffer that "one bad day that could drive a man to madness" by making Superman accidentally kill his wife Lois Lane and their unborn child, which also set off a bomb that wiped Metropolis off the map. Superman is so blinded by his grief that he decides to ditch heroics and TakeOverTheWorld alongside the Regime, which is comprised of other superheroes that have been driven to similar levels of cynicism by various misfortunes. The heroes that fight against the Regime all believe that [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse bad things happening to you doesn't means that you get to take it out on the rest of the universe]]. And in the majority of the MultipleEndings, the heroes go on to [[HopeBringer become the symbols of hope that the world desperately needs]]. [[ComicBook/{{Convergence}} A few crossover]] [[ComicBook/InjusticeVsMastersOfTheUniverse appearances]] of the ''Injustice''-verse in comics sees the heroes of the tale (and even [[EvenEvilHasStandards a few villains]]) essentially calling the Regime a bunch of super-powered whiners who have giving into cynicism. The Regime's belief that fascism and [[BewareTheSuperman throwing their weight around because nobody can stop them]] somehow making them morally superior is frequently shown as a self-defeating surrender to cynicism. This is shown at the end of the first ''Injustice'' game with a MirrorMatch between the prime version of Superman and the Regime version of Superman, where Prime Superman says that Lois dying doesn't justify what the Regime has done, to which Regime Superman can't counter except with self-righteous whining. |
| 171 | -->'''Regime Superman:''' After I kill you, I'll bring [your] Lois here. When she sees how I've perfected this world...\ |
| 172 | '''Prime Superman:''' She'll be afraid and disgusted! |
| 173 | * In ''Franchise/MassEffect'', the more cynical Renegade decisions Commander Shepard can make tend to go badly. Most notably, choosing to let the Council die in the first game ends with humanity being generally hated by the other races, while the human Council isn't even willing to meet with Shepard. This really comes out in the third game. A Shepard who has tried to do right by others throughout the series, and is willing to give others the benefit of the doubt and the opportunity to prove they can do right, ends up being responsible for events[[note]]The reconciliation of the quarians and the geth, ending their 300 year war and returning the quarians to their homeworld and proving that biological and artificial life can live peacefully; saving the krogan from their inevitable extinction and leading to a renaissance of their civilization; returning the rachni from ''their'' supposed extinction; causing multiple species with ancient grudges to work together for a common goal that would have been unthinkable just a few years before[[/note]] that make them a legendary figure even before the defeat of the Reapers. |
| 174 | * In ''VideoGame/OracleOfTao'', Ambrosia at the end of the First Disc (so to speak) heads off for the second world. Unless she bothered to do the romance sidequest (or can get past the Beef Gate of skipping a key romantic scene and heading directly through the entrance without stopping at the vacation town first), the plot requires you to visit Nevras at his castle. If you decide not to, or if you didn't get the memo, the story suddenly gets much darker, most notably in the endings. The point is, because Ambrosia decided her love life with Nevras was doomed, things got a [[{{Anvilicious}} whole lot worse for her]]. |
| 175 | * ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia'': It doesn't matter if the current system of how the world works has been used for 5,000 years or if prejudice and hatred prevents things from getting better. Lloyd will ''absolutely never stop'' believing that there's always a better way that can save everyone without somebody or a world needing to be sacrificed. |
| 176 | * This is one of the recurring themes of the ''VideoGame/{{Lunar}}'' series: in the (remakes of the) [[VideoGame/LunarTheSilverStar first game]], the villain is convinced that humanity needs the Goddess Althena to rule because people aren't capable of solving their own problems by themselves. Obviously, he's wrong. In the second game, TheHero and his friends believe they can fix things even when [[spoiler: the local GodOfEvil just swallowed the local GodOfGood and become TheOmnipotent while they are BroughtDownToNormal.]] It is no exaggeration to say that their optimism is what causes the downfall of the BigBad. [[spoiler: It restores their magic power and then inspires Lucia to break free.]] |
| 177 | %%(ZCE)* Every rebuttal by the heroes to the villains' YouCantFightFate talk in ''VideoGame/HouseOfTheDead'' carries such an element - a "Fuck you" to SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids. |
| 178 | * ''VideoGame/KidIcarusUprising'': Pit has a song that goes "you gotta stay upbeat, upbeat, upbeat. Or you're gonna be dead meat, dead meat, dead meat". Dark Pit, naturally, thinks it's annoying. |
| 179 | * A recurring theme in the ''Franchise/{{Persona}}'' series. As self-perception heavily influences the cognitive worlds and Persona abilities, the idealistic protagonists are able to grow and find new possibilities for themselves thanks to how they see the world in a positive light. Meanwhile, the cynical antagonists gain a lot of power very quickly, but also level off just as quickly, leaving them stuck in a rut because of how close-minded their way of thinking is. |
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| 182 | [[folder:Visual Novels]] |
| 183 | * In the ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' series, the people who subvert or use the law as a means to an end tend to get what they want in the short term, but lose out in the long run when their cynical way of thinking slams into a metaphorical brick wall. The last case of ''Apollo Justice'' exemplifies this with its BigBad, who says that "the law is absolute" and professes the cynical belief that humanity is a collection of "ignorant swine" who will do nothing but make the world worse. [[ShutUpHannibal The Big Bad gets called out on this behavior by everyone in court]], with the Judge in particular saying that the law is constantly changing based on what humanity thinks is good, and that the question of ToBeLawfulOrGood should always be answered with "be good", because humans are inherently good people and the law must constantly change to help as many people as it can. |
| 184 | * In ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'', this is [[TheHero Shirou Emiya's]] eventual response to [[AntiHero Archer's]] constant mocking of his [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids idealism and hope for being a Hero]], to which Archer responds that he's only saying that because he doesn't understand the full ramifications of his dream. [[spoiler:This becomes much more poignant when one learns Archer is actually a potential future version of Shirou, who took that dream to its conclusion and fell into despair at realizing all the pain and suffering he brought upon himself and others didn't amount to anything in the end, [[IHatePastMe which is why he hates Shirou and wants to kill him to potentially create a]] TimeParadox to erase himself]]. Despite this, Archer in all the routes does begrudgingly admit that Shirou's idealism might not be so bad after all, [[spoiler:and dies content that one way or another he won't follow the same path as himself]]. |
| 185 | * In ''VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry'', this is [[spoiler:the whole point behind the final game. Battler deliberately shows Ange an idealistic scenario where the entire Ushiromiya family's on their best behavior, and Ange quickly catches on that this isn't the actual truth of what happened on Rokkenjima. Battler responds by challenging Ange's negative preconceptions of the family that led her to become so bitter and resentful in the first place, and points out that remembering how much she was really loved is more important than knowing the truth of what happened. Interestingly, this allows Bernkastel to try pulling [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids the opposite lesson]] on Ange, and it works for a bit before Ange discovers the truth for herself and eventually sides with Battler. This is further reinforced in the Magic ending and the manga conclusion, where Ange goes on to become a bestselling author and reopens the Fukuin household that Kinzo had founded.]] |
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| 188 | [[folder:Web Animation]] |
| 189 | * ''WebAnimation/DeathBattle'': "[[WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty Rick Sanchez]] vs. [[Series/DoctorWho The Doctor]]" pits the cynical Rick against the optimistic Doctor. Near the end of the fight, The Doctor is not impressed with Rick's StrawNihilist outlook, and gives him a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech [[spoiler:before beginning to regenerate]]. In the [[spoiler:aftermath of the fight where Rick has been [[RetGone erased from reality]], The Doctor encourages Morty to not be a cynic]]. |
| 190 | * In ''WebAnimation/IfTheEmperorHadATextToSpeechDevice'', it's the GrumpyOldMan Emperor of all people who berates Magnus for doubting his utopian vision for the future. Magnus believes that men are just a herd of squabbling animals, but Emperor claims that they have potential for greatness. |
| 191 | * ''WebAnimation/OverlySarcasticProductions'' |
| 192 | ** Red is a firm believer in this. While discussing [[DarkerAndEdgier grimdark]] as a trope on "Trope Talk", Red openly states that she finds the whole prospect of grimdark to be inherently boring, and she doesn't see the appeal, along with [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids this trope's counterpart]]. She thinks that the idealists ultimately have it better. The world can get dark, yes, but one look at history will tell you that it has gotten immensely better over time, usually thanks to idealists. For this reason, Red also bashes the NinetiesAntiHero in a video about the AntiHero subtypes, saying that being such a hero means being a JerkSue, that she really dislikes the character type, and further hates how it brought about the idea that being cool means being a cynical self-righteous asshole. |
| 193 | --->'''Red:''' Hope is the ultimate motivator; on some level, it's the ''only'' motivator. If it seems like I have a personal beef with Grimdark as a genre, it's only the same beef I have with everything that treats hope like a dumb childish concept rather than the fundamental core of human experience. Hope makes us believe things can be better; once we stop believing that we stop trying to make things better and guess what, then things don't get better. Pessimistic nihilism is the ultimate self-fulfilling prophecy and [[UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic maybe it's the 2020 talking]], but man, I have straight up run out of patience with people who give up on a better world and then have the audacity to tell other people they're naive or stupid for still trying. The Grimdark worldview preaches that everything sucks and nothing will make it better. If the ideal of the Grimdark genre is really struggling in the face of hopelessness, then act like it! Dare to believe the world can be better and fight for it! And if that's really the ideal of Grimdark, then why does every other genre do a better job of inspiring it? |
| 194 | ** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_50968MO0PU "Satirizing Superman"]] is an analysis of Franchise/{{Superman}} by Red and Blue. The video examines Superman's origins as a character, what makes him tick, and his role both inside his stories and as part of the greater superhero ecosystem, along with the best examples of Superman at his finest. Two of the examples are from Creator/AlanMoore, who Red and Blue note fundamentally understands Superman, and lament that Moore's work is [[MisaimedFandom so chronically misunderstood by less-skilled writers]] who tend to only see the surface-level cynical aspects. They end the diatribe with a KirkSummation that caring is a genuinely good thing and the world isn't and shouldn't just be bad and miserable, and we always should be striving for a better world and to hold bad actors accountable. Red and Blue close the video by saying that to give into cynicism and not do anything about the darkness in the world will cause a SelfFulfillingProphecy. |
| 195 | * In ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'', the {{Eldritch Abomination}}s called the Grimm are attracted to negative emotions. In short, the worse you ''expect'' the world to be, the worse it actually ''will'' be, both figuratively and literally. [[spoiler: As Roman Torchwick demonstrated by going on a SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids rant while Grimm were swarming around him, getting himself eaten by a giant Griffon.]] There's a reason for the "victory is a [[IncorruptiblePurePureness simple soul]]" motif, and why the show is {{Anvilicious}} in its portrayal of how pointless cynicism can be. |
| 196 | ** Salem, in a somewhat unusual stance for a villain, holds firmly to this, believing that humanity can overcome any problem so long as they work together. Of course, as she ''is'' a villain, her ultimate goal is thus to encourage cynicism so that nobody can trust each other long enough to overcome her. |
| 197 | ** Raven Branwen gets her own cynical plan thrown back into her face by Yang, who points out that [[spoiler: there is no third option when fighting a war against total annihilation; for all her posturing, Raven is just scared of Salem.]] |
| 198 | ** This is one of General Ironwood's major flaws; while he genuinely wants to save the world, his deeply-ingrained militaristic mindset (and a generous dose of PTSD) has firmly convinced him that nothing can be gained without sacrifice, which is why he plans to [[spoiler: take Atlas away from Salem rather than stay and fight for the city of Mantle. And when Cinder nudges him into a mental breakdown, he becomes fixated on these views to the point of total irrationallity.]] |
| 199 | ** Volume 8 features the team themselves starting to fall into cynicism, particularly Yang, Ren, and Ruby, with their recent failures leading them to believe that they're simply not able to affect any meaningful change in the war against Salem. Learning that they need to accept the risks inherent in trying to save people and that they ''have'' made a difference despite their failures is key to their character arcs and arguably the volume's CentralTheme, which is what finally allows them to [[spoiler:TakeAThirdOption and find a way to save both Atlas and Mantle.]] |
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| 203 | * ''Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt'' in Chapter 29 has Paz, [[TheChewToy of all people]], setting straight Kat (who is at that moment quite disenchanted with the Court after stumbling upon some of its old secrets). |
| 204 | * One of the core themes of ''Webcomic/InvinceaAndTheWarriorsFromHell''. While numerous characters and circumstances around the titular heroine give her all the justification she could ever need to be cynical and cruel in return, she instead retains an idealistic outlook on life, often choosing to do what is good even when it is an inconvenient choice. While it often gets her and her friends into trouble, her altruistic approach also means they are typically the only ones taking any meaningful action to impede the villains. |
| 205 | * ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'': |
| 206 | ** Ian Starshine, Haley's father, is very much this. After the death of his wife, he raised Haley in their town of Greysky City (a wretched hive where most of the population are ''rogues'') to have a strong sense of paranoid and distrust. While it did serve Haley well in survival, it left Haley an emotional wreck and she was able to find happiness through trust, especially in Elan. Contrast this with her dad who remains in prison and distrusts Elan despite Elan's blatant open kindness (though the fact that Elan's [[spoiler:the preferred son of Tarquin]] explains it.) When she calls him out on it he does temporarily crack and reveal that he did indeed feel problems with everything he did. They do reconcile before they part ways and Ian manages to start getting along with Elan. |
| 207 | ** This also seems to have been the case for Girard Draketooth, who distrusted paladins to the point where he ''expected'' his paladin friend Soon Kim to break an oath not to investigate other gates and gave him false directions, which ended up biting everyone in the rear since the heroes got their directions from Soon's successors. Soon, of course, ''never'' broke his oath and made the rest of the order swear never to do so either. Rogue-like types are subject to this, it seems. [[note]] When you spend your life behind people (either to put a hand in their pocket or a knife in their back), it's only natural you start thinking ''everyone's'' behind your back, waiting to put ''their'' hand in ''your'' pocket, or a knife in ''your'' back. This is why Gresky City is a WretchedHive; most of the population is rogues.[[/note]] |
| 208 | * In ''Webcomic/{{Roommates}}'' [[TheCynic Javert]] of all people called out [[AnthropomorphicPersonification Disbelief]] on being too cynical by stating that even he wishes sometimes to believe. |
| 209 | * ''[[Webcomic/WalkyVerse It's Walky]]'': AntiHero KnightTemplar Sal, who is attempting to destroy every alien abductee in the United States (and, by extension, the continent itself) tells Joyce, the quirky, innocent goofy girl trying to stop her, that [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids she's just a naive, deluded little girl]]. Joyce [[KirkSummation shoots back]] that ''Sal'' [[https://www.itswalky.com/comic/see-just-like-before/ is the 'little girl']]; Joyce has been through as many difficult and painful moments in her life as Sal has, but has matured enough to be able to cope with them without letting them poison her essential [[RousseauWasRight goodness and optimism]], whereas Sal has been weak enough to let them corrupt her, and her reaction is the world-destroying equivalent of a childish attention-seeking temper tantrum. Sal has no comeback to that, and later events in the strip prove Joyce to be correct. |
| 210 | %%* ''Webcomic/TheInexplicableAdventuresOfBob'' - Bob tends to combine this with TalkingTheMonsterToDeath. |
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| 214 | * In his (otherwise negative) review of Creator/{{Disney}}'s ''WesternAnimation/TheFoxAndTheHound'', Irish playwright and animation blogger ''Neil Sharpson/'' ''Blog/UnshavedMouse'' defends Disney's use of this trope in its [[Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon other animated films]]. |
| 215 | --> Part of the problem might be the source material. ''Literature/TheFoxAndTheHound'', a 1967 novel by Daniel Mannix, doesn't exactly scream "Disney". It screams "MISERY!" in case you were wondering. I don't mean that it's dark. Disney can do "dark". But "dark" isn't the same as "bleak". Disney does not do bleak. Disney does not do [[DownerEnding sad endings]]. A Disney movie will never leave an audience feeling worse about the world and their place in it than when they came into the cinema. And you know what? There's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with hope. There's nothing wrong with optimism. Depressing people is easy. People are naturally pessimistic (we'd scarcely have survived this long if we always expected everything to be fine) and we're uniquely receptive to anyone who'll tell us that everything is fucked. One of the hardest things in art is to create something beautiful and uplifting. |
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| 218 | [[folder:Web Videos]] |
| 219 | * While ''WebVideo/SomeJerkWithACamera'' tends to mock the Creator/{{Disney}} corporation and [[Ride/DisneyThemeParks their theme parks]], the Jerk tries to do it [[AffectionateParody lightheartedly]], since he's really a fan of Disney. This means that he also comes down hard on works like ''WesternAnimation/Shrek1'' and ''Film/EscapeFromTomorrow'', which attack Disney as kids' stuff, or say that escapism is for losers who can't grow up. |
| 220 | -->'''Jerk:''' Do you know why I review Disneyland? ...It's because I ''love'' Disneyland! I didn't want to be a hater! I wanted to show the Reviewaverse that you can be entertaining without resorting to constant negative whiny cynicism! |
| 221 | * WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic takes this approach to his rather scathing [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkMj8HvP6-M review]] of the 2013 dystopian sci-fi film ''Film/ThePurge'', spending much of his review's running time skewering the film's implausibly [[BadFuture bleak vision of the future]], and [[HumansAreBastards of humanity in general]]. As his review points out, extreme cynicism does ''not'' always translate to authenticity, and being cynical does ''not'' mean that a film actually has [[TooBleakStoppedCaring something intelligent to say]]. |
| 222 | * This is the main message of ''WebVideo/TheVeronicaExclusive''. Veronica's final monologue essentially sums up to, "Yeah, the world sucks, and yeah, people can be terrible -- but that doesn't mean we should all give in and become as horrible as life can be sometimes. If we all work together, things ''can'' get better, and mindless cynicism isn't helping anyone." |
| 223 | * ''WebVideo/BrowsHeldHigh'': This is the ultimate thesis of Kyle Kallgreen's review of ''Film/{{Melancholia}}''. While he understands and appreciates the insight of Creator/LarsVonTrier into depression, he also points out that depression is not something that should be romanticized as it is in the film, and for all of the issues and shallowness of modern life, it is still life to be lived and enjoyed for what it is. |
| 224 | -->'''Kyle:''' Depression is a disease, make no mistake. Von Trier can romanticize it all he wants, but it's a stasis. A dead end. Succumbing to it is to surrender to death. And he can go on and on about how hollow our culture is and how shallow life is, but what of it? I'm alive, and I can experience the new, and share it. Here, now, I'm alive, and what happier thing can be said? |
| 225 | * ''WebVideo/CriticalRole'' has Caduceus, TheHeart of the Mighty Nein, say a speech to this effect to Trent Ikkithon in a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech. It looks like Caduceus is going to compliment Ikkithon before taking a left turn into an insult, and about how ThePowerOfLove saves people and that Ikkithon is [[YouFool a fool]] for trying to control people through fear. It's enough to firmly rattle Ikkithon, as he gets up and leaves immediately after Caduceus gives the speech. Given the reaction by Ikkithon's servants, it's likely that no one had spoken that way to him in a long time. [[spoiler:When Trent Ikkithon shows up at the home of Caduceus [[PostFinalBoss as the last encounter of the campaign]], Trent Ikkithon is defeated in spite of his power, left to rot in a jail cell [[AndIMustScream while being unable to move, cast spells, or do much of anything besides being force-fed to keep him alive]]. The Mighty Nein, meanwhile, each manage to [[EarnYourHappyEnding Earn Their Happy Ending]], including Trent's abused student Caleb.]] |
| 226 | -->'''Caduceus:''' Before you go, I think perhaps you are one of the most powerful mages that I've ever had the pleasure to be in the presence of, and for this, I would offer a gift. I think it has been a long time since anyone has pointed it out to you that you are a fool. Pain doesn't make people. It's love that makes people. The pain is inconsequential. It's love that saves them. And you would know that, but you have none around you, you said so yourself, you surround yourself with lies and deceptions, and... I wish for you, in the future, to find someone who will mourn for you when you are gone. [[WithDueRespect Respectfully]]. |
| 227 | * ''WebVideo/DanganronpaDespairTime'': In Chapter 2, after [[KnightInSourArmor Teruko]] has decided to stop trusting people, [[ThePollyanna Eden]], who's been on her side since the beginning, repeatedly attempts to befriend her. When the two make lunch together and Eden tries to open up to her, Teruko shuts her down and makes it clear she's only humoring her, and also makes it clear that, because she's been so kind to her, Eden is the last person she wants to be friends with; that when her kindness and naive optimism shatter, it'll be too much to handle. Eden shuts her down and makes it clear that she's not optimistic because she's naive, she simply chooses to ''be'' that way. She firmly believes that being kind is how they'll survive the killing game, and that not caring is the worst way to live. [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial Teruko then thinks to herself that her words made her chest hurt, but claims it's just her injury acting up]]. |
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| 230 | [[folder:Western Animation]] |
| 231 | * ''WesternAnimation/TheClevelandShow'': {{Double subver|sion}}ted in "Squirt's Honor". Although Cleveland Jr. does get burned for his naive, idealistic outlook - technically proving Rallo's cynical worldview correct - Roberta harshly berates Rallo for his actions: He was so dead set on proving himself right that he failed to see the human value in Jr.'s positivity. Also, given the many traumatic events Jr. has dealt with in his life, the fact that he maintains such an outlook is a sign of inner strength. This rebuke causes Rallo to do something of a HeelFaceTurn and encourage Jr. to see the good in the world again. |
| 232 | * ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueCrisisOnTwoEarths'': The thrust of Batman's ShutUpHannibal to [[EvilCounterpart Owlman]]. |
| 233 | --> '''Batman:''' We both looked into the abyss. But when it looked back into us...''you blinked.'' |
| 234 | * ''WesternAnimation/OverTheGardenWall'': |
| 235 | ** The defeatist Wirt expects the worst of everything he encounters. Constantly anticipating humiliation or rejection, his cynicism has stopped him from interacting with people normally, and he gave up TheQuest much quicker than his brother did. He only gets better after realizing he has to stop being afraid. |
| 236 | ** The villain himself invokes this - he can only feed off those who have given up, and purposely waits for his victims to cross the DespairEventHorizon. |
| 237 | * ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'': A cautionary tale version is seen in ''[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS32E19PanicOnTheStreetsOfSpringfield Panic on the Streets of Springfield]]''. Lisa becomes infatuated with the work of an 80’s musician and begins hallucinating him as an imaginary friend. Eventually, however, she understands that his personality is 90% edgier-than-thou nihilism, and calls him out for sneering and/or whining at everything he disagrees with (which is a LOT). When they see his real-life self at a music festival, the imaginary version is horrified at how he’s not only completely washed-up, but has abandoned all his staunchest values and become even more cynical than ever. Before disappearing, he warns Lisa not to turn out like him, and at least try to listen to others. |
| 238 | * ''WesternAnimation/SmilingFriends'': Charlie & Pim end up with StrawNihilist [[EvilCounterpart evil twins]] who start a rival company called the Frowning Friends across the street from them. The Frowning Friends then go across town, spreading their pessimism to others and trying to undo all of Charlie and Pim's work. When their boss snaps and confronts them with a rifle, Pim's double breaks down crying and begging for his life [[StrawHypocrite moments after saying life doesn't matter since we're all going to die anyway, making them lose their audience]]. The episode carries AnAesop that while it's important to be aware of the issues with the world, unrelenting cynicism is just as unhealthy and useless as unrealistic idealism. |
| 239 | * ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'': [[MayorPain Mayor Bill Dewey]] is cynical, and very much a loser. He pessimistically assumes that elected officials are incapable of enacting any genuine change, [[SelfFulfillingProphecy so he never even tries]]. Instead, he's content to [[BreadAndCircuses keep the populace distracted with pointless civic projects and self-aggrandizing speeches]] [[HeadInTheSandManagement while the problems either work themselves out or are handled by someone else]]. The people of Beach City inevitably turn against him once his usual leadership style fails to prevent a series of kidnappings, [[spoiler: and once [[CoolOldLady Nanefua Pizza]] runs against Dewey as Mayor and proposes radical and well-thought-out solutions to problems (ideas that require actual effort and planning on the part of the Mayor), Dewey sees how wrong his cynical attitude has always been and concedes that Nanefua would make a better leader.]] |
| 240 | * ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' had Stan join the goth kids in wallowing about the hopelessness of life after Wendy dumps him. However, when Butters also gets dumped he says he still loves life and finds beauty in being human enough to feel pain, snapping Stan out of his funk. |
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| 243 | [[folder:Real Life]] |
| 244 | * The point of UsefulNotes/{{Existentialism}}. |
| 245 | ** Creator/FriedrichNietzsche, [[StrawNihilist despite the association]] with fatalism, nihilism, anti-idealism and the darkest and edgiest of cynical philosophy, [[TheAntiNihilist actually wrote against]] being an extremely skeptical and life-hating nihilist, while suggesting that it's better to just love life to the fullest while living up to your own ideals no matter how [[BlueAndOrangeMorality blue or orange]] they are. |
| 246 | ** Jean-Paul Sartre, the key thinker of the movement, wrote that "Existence precedes essence." You are born, and then you are defined. You are what you make of yourself. If you are a villain, you were not doomed to villainy, your choices made you so. If you are a hero, you were not destined for greatness, it was the combination of your choices that made you that way. Under this philosophy, great heroism and great villainy are both possible by choice. Albert Camus, in his ''Myth of Sisyphus'', went even further, insisting that [[TheDeterminator even when you know you're going to lose, that's no excuse to not keep trying]]. |
| 247 | * Conan O'Brien |
| 248 | ** In his first show after 9/11, he recounted going to St. Patrick's Cathedral to pray (he's Catholic but admitted that he had not been to church in 8 years until the horrific events of that day spurred him to seek out some kind of comfort and guidance). He claimed that while sitting there, he suddenly realized that although the Twin Towers had been knocked down, that ''this'' beautiful building was still standing, and as such, despite the ugliness that had happened, there was still a lot of beauty in the world. This was the first time he urged his viewers to shun cynicism. |
| 249 | ** He ended his run on ''The Tonight Show'' by asking people to please not be cynical, saying "It doesn't accomplish anything". |
| 250 | * Creator/StephenColbert gives us this gem: |
| 251 | -->Remember, you cannot be both young and wise. Young people who pretend to be wise to the ways of the world are mostly just cynics. Cynicism masquerades as wisdom, but it is the farthest thing from it. Because cynics don’t learn anything. Because cynicism is a self-imposed blindness, a rejection of the world because we are afraid it will hurt us or disappoint us. Cynics always say no. But saying "yes" begins things. Saying "yes" is how things grow. Saying "yes" leads to knowledge. "Yes" is for young people. So for as long as you have the strength to, say "yes". |
| 252 | * Music/JohnLennon |
| 253 | ** [[WordOfGod He mentioned in an interview]] that the reason he was first attracted to Music/YokoOno was because he had been used to and indifferent to avant-garde art exhibits in TheSixties that veered towards cynical, negative, destructive messages, but Yoko's simple, direct exhibit, where one climbed a ladder, peered into a hole in the ceiling, and saw the word "Yes", was in John's opinion more valid in its positivity, hopefulness and affirmative message than the TrueArtIsAngsty approach other Sixties avant-garde artists took. It inspired the often naturally cynical Lennon (at the time suffering through a drug- and fame-aggravated CreatorBreakdown) to see the other exhibits, and later to meet and befriend Yoko. |
| 254 | ** For all that he himself tends to be viewed as the dark, cynical and 'deep' member of Music/TheBeatles -- which, in the first two elements at least, is not an unreasonable viewpoint to take -- part of him clearly subscribed to this trope (or at least wasn't very ''happy'' being dark and cynical and wanted this trope to be true). For all his {{Creator Breakdown}}s and darker sides, anyone who describes the man who wrote "All You Need Is Love", "Imagine" and "Give Peace A Chance" as an irredeemable cynic is clearly overlooking something. |
| 255 | * Creator/SethMacFarlane stated that one of the reasons he pitched ''Series/TheOrville'' was because he was tired of seeing cynical grim and gritty sci-fi shows that are contemporary, and wanted a classic better-future-space-adventure science fiction show, not quite explicitly stated in homage to ''Franchise/StarTrek''. |
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