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| 12 | No True Scotsman (also referred to as the fallacy of "Victory by Definition" in Robert Allen's "The Propaganda Game") is an [[CommonFanFallacies intentional]] {{logical fallac|ies}}y which involves the act of setting up standards for a particular scenario, then [[MovingTheGoalposts redefining those same standards]] in order to [[SelectiveObliviousness exclude a particular outcome]]. |
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| 14 | The {{Trope Namer|s}} and prime example of this sort of behavior is a hypothetical scenario (first told by British philosopher Antony Flew in his 1975 book ''Thinking About Thinking'') in which a Scotsman reads about a horrible crime in the newspaper that takes place in the English town of Brighton and smugly thinks to himself, "No ''Scotsman'' would ever do such a thing." Then something much worse happens in nearby Aberdeen and is reported on the next day. Rather than admit that he was wrong, he instead thinks, "No ''true'' Scotsman would ever do such a thing." In this case, he is retroactively changing his standards of what a Scotsman is from "someone who lives in Scotland" to "someone who lives in Scotland ''and'' meets my standards of acceptable Scottish behavior." |
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| 16 | This is very common within subcultures. Works or creators are discredited as not part of the genre due to not living up to arbitrary standards ([[ItsPopularNowItSucks or just being popular]]). Often this is followed by examples of what are considered real examples of the genre (see also PretenderDiss). By extension, you aren't considered a real fan of the genre if you don't know of these works. Sometimes, when dealing with a DeadHorseGenre or another [[PublicMediumIgnorance sufficiently ghettoized field]], the fallacy is used to try and distance a well-liked entry from it. A related tactic is called [[https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gatekeeping gatekeeping]] and refers to when someone claims to be a fan of X and another person challenges them to ''prove'' they are a "real" fan of X by reciting a bunch of facts about X. |
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| 18 | In real life, it's most commonly found in arguments about politics, race, [[UsefulNotes/MisplacedNationalism nationality]], or religion, usually when it comes to perceived stereotypes that something [[AccentuateTheNegative negative]] "can only be done" in a specific region or group of people (especially the opponent's) and ''not'' the accuser's own group; while, of course, ignoring the fact that it can. |
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| 20 | Essentially a form of [[UsefulNotes/LogicalFallacies Begging the Question]], in that, to accept the argument that No True Scotsman would do X, one must accept that the definition of "True Scotsman" includes "would not do X." It's also a good example of ConfirmationBias in action. Related to MovingTheGoalposts, where the definition isn't changed, but the standards for accepting a counter-argument are made increasingly more rigorous. |
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| 22 | !!Tropes which rely on, or include this fallacy: |
| 23 | * All of the tropes on the TrueArt index. |
| 24 | * ApeShallNeverKillApe |
| 25 | * CulturalPosturing |
| 26 | ** {{Eagleland}}, OnlyInAmerica, OnlyInFlorida, and OnlyInMiami are some specific examples. |
| 27 | ** CulturalCringe, CulturalRebel, and BoomerangBigot are this fallacy being done on one's own culture. [[note]]Using the above example, in this scenario, the Scotsman would proclaim "No true ''Englishman'' would ever do such a thing." instead.[[/note]] |
| 28 | * DoubleStandard |
| 29 | * EvenEvilHasStandards uses a variant. |
| 30 | * FandomHeresy |
| 31 | * FanDumb (in both the inclusive form of "Only people who believe this about My Show are True Fans" and the exclusive form of "No True Fan of My Show would believe that.") |
| 32 | * FanHater ("No True Fan would like this movie.") |
| 33 | * FanonDiscontinuity ("There's no way that terrible episode could possibly be canon, creator be damned.") |
| 34 | * HateDumb (in which that "Only [[LowestCommonDenominator a bunch of sheep]] would ever like that.") |
| 35 | * HitlerAteSugar |
| 36 | * {{Hypocrite}} obviously. |
| 37 | * MoralMyopia |
| 38 | * OpinionMyopia |
| 39 | * OurTropesAreDifferent and OurMonstersAreDifferent occasionally has this. |
| 40 | * PretenderDiss |
| 41 | * PublicMediumIgnorance |
| 42 | * UnequalRites often overlaps with this. |
| 43 | * WithUsOrAgainstUs |
| 44 | * YouAreACreditToYourRace |
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| 46 | !!Looks like this fallacy but is not: |
| 47 | * If the group being referred to has clearly-defined or generally accepted membership standards that exclude the counter-example. For instance: if a statement is made about "Eagle Scouts", and a rebuttal is offered concerning "Boy Scouts", pointing out that "Not all Boy Scouts are Eagle Scouts" is not No True Scotsman. |
| 48 | * Even if a group doesn't have a formal membership standards system, it can have widely accepted standards what does and doesn't constitute responsible/acceptable actions. For example, it's not fallacious to say that "no responsible gun owner [[ArtisticLicenseGunSafety would do that,]]" because someone violating gun safety rules is by definition acting irresponsibly. |
| 49 | * If the group being referred to has specific and/or objective guidelines/rules of behavior as a member of that group. E.G., "No clean cop would take a bribe" is not fallacious, because a clean cop, by definition, doesn't take bribes. |
| 50 | * If the action axiomatically (according to the rules of logic) disqualifies one from inclusion in the group, such as "No true bachelor is married" or "No true triangle has four sides." For example, "No right-handed person predominantly uses their left hand" is not fallacious because right-handed people are defined as those who predominantly use their right hand. Someone who is calling themselves "right-handed" but predominantly uses their left hand either is lying, trying to torture themselves, or doesn't understand the distinction between "right-handed" and "left-handed" people.[[labelnote:*]]Or is Phil Mickelson when talking about his sport of golf. He plays left-handed, and is widely known as [[RedBaron "Lefty"]] in golf circles, but does ''everything else'' right-handed.[[/labelnote]] |
| 51 | * If the term is redefined because it is susceptible to multiple interpretations and there was legitimate confusion about which was being used. This would be sloppy, but not necessarily fallacious. It could be clarified by observing, "YouKeepUsingThatWord..." Of course, if the term in question is political, what counts as InsistentTerminology and what counts as No True Scotsman will depend on what political views you have. |
| 52 | ** Related, it's not No True Scotsman, but a simple mistake if the definition is simply wrong. For example, stating no right-handed person predominantly uses their left hand. Bob has been right-handed all his life, but he just broke his hand or had a stroke leaving him partially paralyzed... |
| 53 | * If the term means different things at different times due to [[TimeMarchesOn time marching on]]. Music/LedZeppelin isn't true HeavyMetal based on how the term is defined today, even though the term was used to describe the band in the 1970s. |
| 54 | * Pointing out that something really is, strictly speaking, not an example of the group. For example, the plant bananas grow on is commonly referred to as a banana tree, and it's fine to point out that, botanically, the banana plant is not really a tree. |
| 55 | * Drawing a line differentiating the traditional version of something against revisions, adaptations, or derivatives. The traditional version may still be recognized as either the original or the authentic version. This often comes up in matters of ethnic cuisine but also socially such as the terms "geek" or "nerd", the traditional definition as [[IntelligenceEqualsIsolation highly intelligent]] but [[NerdsAreVirgins unattractive males]] with NoSocialSkills. In recent decades, both terms were widely [[{{Hipster}} adapted by the mainstream ]] and [[NerdsAreSexy redefined to be a cool thing]]. However, an individual reserves the right for themselves to favor either the traditional or revisionist form.[[note]]Some individuals who grew up being ostracized by fitting the traditional definition prefer not to be called geeks or nerds today. And many who do happily regard themselves as nerds or geeks don't fit the original definition which, strictly speaking, generally did not include females.[[/note]] |
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| 57 | Not related to ViolentGlaswegian, BraveScot, TheScottishTrope, that [[SelfDemonstrating/{{SeanConnery}} Shcottish actor]], or FakeScot. |
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| 59 | A form of SelectiveObliviousness. StrawAffiliation is a related form of this. StopBeingStereotypical and NotSoDifferentRemark are often invoked when these situations occur. The inverse is HitlerAteSugar, when someone tries to argue that all True Scotsmen are evil because of one bad apple, though both tropes can be (and often are) used hand-in-hand to stigmatize and exclude certain people[=/=]things[=/=]etc. |
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| 61 | [[noreallife]] |
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| 63 | It's perhaps also worth mentioning that, among [[ManInAKilt those who wear the kilt]], a "True Scotsman" is the humorous term for someone who is confident enough to [[GoingCommando go commando]]. So if someone asks "Are you a true Scotsman," it might not be this fallacy -- they may just be wondering about your underwear. |
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| 66 | !!Examples: |
| 67 | [[foldercontrol]] |
| 68 | |
| 69 | [[folder:Anime & Manga]] |
| 70 | * In ''Anime/AfterWarGundamX'', secondary villain Seidel Rasso gets over the philosophical hurdle that ''none'' of the Newtypes in the series actually agree with his platform of Newtypism (that Newtypes can only be born in space, are the next stage of human evolution, and therefore Spacenoids are entitled to conquer the rest of humanity through any means they see fit to use) by coming up with reasons why each of them doesn't meet his definition of a Newtype, making their objections irrelevant. |
| 71 | * ''Anime/CarriedByTheWindTsukikageRan'': The samurai in the 11th episode; the only 'true' samurai in their opinion are samurai that think like them. They talk about honor in one scene, for instance, they refuse to sneak attack and decide on a time and place of neutral favor. Then they attack him three to one, even when he reveals himself to be unarmed. Everyone who doesn't act like this is a "coward" or a "maggot". |
| 72 | * In ''Anime/GundamBuildDivers'' this is the major drive of BigBad Tsukasa Shiba. [[spoiler:He hates the Gunpla Battle Nexus Online game because the Gunpla Battlers there don't spend their time, money and energy battling, smashing and rebuilding their Gunpla. He feels that their way of battling is inferior to his because they never experienced his kind of combat. He has this worldview completely shattered when Riku, a player of GBN, ends up coming up on top in a duel.]] |
| 73 | * In ''Manga/OnePiece'', there's a great deal of FantasticRacism between humanity and Fishmen. Arlong split off from the Sun Pirates and formed his own crew because their leader Jinbe went and became a privateer for the human-ruled World Government to help patch things up, but the worst case are the New Fishman Pirates. Their leaders hate humans to the extent that they'll kill any Fishmen or merfolk who seek peace with humans. Hody Jones, leader of the pirates, is even willing to have all of Fishman Island destroyed than have fishmen and humans understand each other, all out of IrrationalHatred. But the funny thing is, unlike Arlong, who has very good reasons to hate humans, the New Fishman Pirates have never experienced human bigotry and were only taught to hate humans. |
| 74 | * In ''Anime/PokemonTheOriginalSeries'', Ash Ketchum would often get hit with this whenever he used a Pokémon in a Gym match that had a distinct type disadvantage against the leader he was facing. Ash usually brushed it off, finding it was his team's skills and not their type that mattered. Whether or not he was proven right or wrong often depended on each battle; for example, in Johto, his Chikorita was easily curbstomped by a Flying-type Pokémon (as Grass-types are weak against flying), but his next match saw Chikorita defeat a Bug-type (which is also strong against Grass). |
| 75 | [[/folder]] |
| 76 | |
| 77 | [[folder:Comedy]] |
| 78 | * Creator/GeorgeCarlin related this on his album ''FM/AM'': |
| 79 | -->I got fired in UsefulNotes/LasVegas from the Frontier Hotel for saying "shit." In a town where the big game is called "craps." There seems to be some sort of double standard. I'm sure there was some Texan standing outside the casino saying "Aw, shit, I crapped out!" They fly those guys in for free. They fired me. Shit! |
| 80 | [[/folder]] |
| 81 | |
| 82 | [[folder:Comic Books]] |
| 83 | * ''ComicBook/AllNewUltimates'': Scourge told the police in his defense that he doesn't kill kids. And what about kids in gangs or superhero kids? "They made that choice. I enforce the consequence". |
| 84 | * Superboy Prime doesn't think Conner Kent is the real Superboy in ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'' due to his lack of confidence in himself and darker personality. In fact, Earth-2 Superman believes the same about the entirety of the concurrent Franchise/DCUniverse, insisting that everything about it is inferior and corrupt, and therefore unworthy of being called the "real" Earth, until he's asked if that's the case with Dick Grayson, and has to admit that no, it isn't. |
| 85 | * ''ComicBook/JudgeDredd'': The deranged philosophy of the Dark Judges is that [[AllCrimesAreEqual all life is a crime]]. So in order to judge people without hypocrisy they allowed themselves to be transformed into zombies. After their whole planet had been wiped out, their leader Judge Death gathered his followers and purged all but his three closest supporters. His argument was that they were not really Dark Judges since they were "too much like the living". |
| 86 | * One ''Westernanimation/PepperAnn'' comic had P.A. daydreaming of [[http://de.fanpop.com/clubs/geeks/images/37604827/title/pepper-ann-comic-photo such an approach by geeks if she entered a comic book store.]] |
| 87 | * As of [[ComicBook/XMenTheKrakoanAge The Krakoan Age]], [[Characters/NewWarriors Firestar]] is looked upon by many mutants as something of a traitor, because she was once an Avenger (despite the fact that several prominent members of the X-Men, like Beast and Wolverine, were also Avengers in the past) and because she didn't relocate to Krakoa with the rest of her mutant brothers and sisters (because of her lingering resentment towards Emma, one of Krakoa's leaders), as well as the fact that she's historically had little to do with mutants in general. |
| 88 | [[/folder]] |
| 89 | |
| 90 | [[folder:Fan Works]] |
| 91 | * In ''FanFic/MyImmortal'', Ebony and friends are obsessed with which characters are "real goffs" and which are just "tryin 2 be goffik". Hagrid, or rather "Hargrid", is reclassified repeatedly, always for nonsensical, arbitrary reasons. How a person becomes a "real goff" never is explained (among a lot of [[PlotHole other things]]), with the closest anyone can guess is that you're ''born'' a goff. |
| 92 | * ''FanFic/DeadOrAlive4TheDevilFactor'': Ayane spitefully tells Kasumi that, given her compassionate nature and reluctance to kill, she could never hope to be a real {{ninja}}. |
| 93 | * In ''[[FanFic/EquestriaAHistoryRevealed Equestria: A History Revealed]],'' the narrator thinks she's the only legitimate historical essay writer because she's the only one brave enough to tell the "truth", and dismisses all other works of real historians as false. She even calls herself the one true historian in Equestria at one point. |
| 94 | * In ''Fanfic/AmazingFantasy'', Torunn Thorsdóttir-Foster is terrified of not being a "true Asgardian" after her father and mother went off with the rest of Asgard's warriors to fight and die in Ragnarok while she was left on Earth for her safety. As such, she forces herself to speak in YeOldeButcheredEnglish and projects herself as a ProudWarriorRaceGuy to hide her deep insecurities. |
| 95 | * ''Fanfic/HarryPotterAndTheMethodsOfRationality'': In-universe. Harry tries to convince the Sorting Hat that he's not like the other potential dark lords the hat has met: |
| 96 | -->'''Harry:''' Just what kind of statistical summary do your "feelings" come from, anyway! Do they take into account that I come from an Enlightenment culture, or were these other potential Dark Lords the children of spoiled Dark Age nobility, who didn't know doodly-squat about the historical lessons of how Lenin and Hitler actually turned out, or about the evolutionary psychology of self-delusion, or the value of self-awareness and rationality, or--\ |
| 97 | '''Hat:''' No, of course they were not in this new reference class which you have [[MovingTheGoalposts just now constructed]] in such a way [[OverlyNarrowSuperlative as to contain only yourself]]. |
| 98 | * ''Fanfic/ChasingDragons'': Arthur Dayne's cousin Gawen tracks him down in Volantis and demands he duel him for the right to wield Dawn, as he feels that Arthur is no longer honorable enough to be the Sword of Morning, on account of the [[TheRemnant Targaryen exile court's]] support of slavery. Arthur, fully assured in how he's kept to his oaths as a Kingsguard, is far from impressed. |
| 99 | * ''Fanfic/TheNewAdventuresOfInvaderZim'': One of the reasons that Gaz doesn't like Viera is because she feels that [[PerkyGoth Viera is too nice to be a real Goth]]. |
| 100 | * ''Fanfic/CreateYourOwnFate'': While waiting in the lobby as her uncle tries to get her enrolled in a Bajoran temple's high school, Sheri Walford, a Bajoran raised among mostly humans on Moab III, is accosted by a school gang who refer to her by a FantasticSlur that translates to "bland [[https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Hasperat hasperat]]"--meaning "Bajoran on the outside only". Crosses over with CategoryTraitor since the instigators turn out to be {{Sub Par Supremacist}}s. |
| 101 | * ''Fanfic/InvaderZimABadThingNeverEnds'': At one point, Bob tells [[TokenGoodTeammate Skoodge]] that he's "really nice for an Irken", then clarifies that [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy it's not a compliment]]. |
| 102 | * ''[[https://archiveofourown.org/works/46261774/chapters/116467996 Making Rainbows Bloom]]'': The incidents that set in the motions of the story is that a random girl (who the author confirmed to be [[Anime/LoveLive Nico Yazawa]]) dismisses the [[Anime/LoveLiveNijigasakiHighSchoolIdolClub Nijigasaki High School Idol Club]] as an awful idol group for not even participating in ''Love Live'', claiming that all "'''good'''" idol groups participates. This spurs Yu in convincing the club's idols into participate, for the purpose of showing naysayers that the School Idol Club are just as much idol material as other groups. |
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| 105 | [[folder:Films -- Animation]] |
| 106 | * ''WesternAnimation/TheBFG'': The other giants essentially disown the BFG for not eating humans, though neither party does anything to patch the ties. The climax of the film makes it clear that they [[FantasticRacism don't even consider him a giant.]] |
| 107 | -->'''Fleshlumpeater:''' You is not ''giant!'' You is more like...human bean!\ |
| 108 | '''BFG:''' Human ''being!'' Yes! I'd rather be one of them than like you! |
| 109 | [[/folder]] |
| 110 | |
| 111 | [[folder:Films -- Live-Action]] |
| 112 | * In ''Film/DawnOfThePlanetOfTheApes'', much like the original movies, there's the ApeShallNeverKillApe rule, which [[spoiler:Koba]] uses to taunt [[spoiler:Caesar]] at the end. [[spoiler:Caesar]] responded by declaring that he was no ape. [[spoiler:Given how Koba already violated that rule by trying to assassinate Caesar and murdering Ash, [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools this trope holds some real weight for once]].]] |
| 113 | * In ''Film/MyCousinVinny'', Vinny performs a cross-examination on Mr. Tipton, a witness to the robbery and murder at the Sac-O-Suds store. According to Tipton, he was cooking his breakfast when he witnessed the robbery. Vinny asks what he had for breakfast that day, and he answers that it was eggs and grits. When asked whether it was instant grits, Tipton smugly answers "No self-respecting Southerner uses instant grits. I take pride in my grits." Vinny turns this against him, saying that the time it takes to prepare grits, 20 minutes, was much longer than the time the robbery took, 5 minutes, forcing him to admit that his perception of time was mistaken and therefore, he cannot corroborate the prosecution's claims. |
| 114 | [[/folder]] |
| 115 | |
| 116 | [[folder:Literature]] |
| 117 | * In ''Literature/AdrianMole'': ''The Wilderness Years'', twice Adrian feels compared unfavourably to real males. |
| 118 | ** When he unsuccessfully tries to unblock the sink, Pandora says casually "we'll have to get a proper man in". Adrian then writes that she has disenfranchised him from his gender, and cut his poor, useless balls off. |
| 119 | ** When Adrian's therapist tells him to pretend that an empty chair is his father, Adrian recalls how when he was three years old, his father yanked his dummy out of his mouth, saying "''Real'' boys don't need a dummy". He then angrily beats the chair with a stick. |
| 120 | * ''Literature/TheBFG'': The other giants essentially disown the BFG for not eating humans, though neither party does anything to patch the ties. The climax of the film makes it clear that they [[FantasticRacism don't even consider him a giant.]] |
| 121 | --> '''Fleshlumpeater:''' You is not ''giant!'' You is like... human bean! |
| 122 | --> '''[[IResembleThatRemark BFG]]:''' Human ''being!'' Yes! I'd rather be like them, than like ''you!'' |
| 123 | * In ''The Compleat Angler'' (1653), the author speaks of turtledoves, showing that the trope is OlderThanSteam: |
| 124 | --> the survivor scorns ... to outlive his or her mate, and this is taken for a truth; and if the survivor shall ever couple with another, then not only the living but the dead, be it either the he or the she, is denied the name and honour of a true turtle-dove |
| 125 | * ''Literature/{{Discworld}}:'' The grags of the dwarfs cling tightly to this one, namely that all dwarfs must stay underground, refuse to deal with other species, and kill any troll they find, which starts to really become a problem at the beginning of ''Literature/{{Thud}}'', when they start inducing this feeling in all the normally quiet and well-behaved dwarfs around Ankh-Morpork, who feel a desire to assert their 'true' dwarfness out of embarrassment. At the end, another more moderate grag casts scorn on the idea of needing to define one's self by hatred of another. |
| 126 | * One solution in ''Literature/EncyclopediaBrown'' involved this with, of all things, ''[[SeriousBusiness Hot Dog toppings]]''. In one case, Bugs Meany was going to smuggle a rare coin out through his hot dog. The way Encyclopedia, as well as you, are "supposed" to know that he is suspicious is because he spread mustard on top of relish. Because "Nobody who likes hot dogs would do that". Admittedly, within the context of TheSixties, it does make a bit of sense as squeeze bottles didn't come about until TheEighties, so condiments were applied via butterknife and thus spreading mustard on top of Relish ''would'' make a mess. |
| 127 | * In the ''Literature/HorusHeresy'', former Death Guard Captain Garro is called out on making assumptions of this nature when he's blindsided by the betrayal of some White Scars. |
| 128 | -->'''Garro:''' The Khan's sons are loyal!\ |
| 129 | '''Rubio:''' Just as ''every'' son of Mortarion sided with Horus?! |
| 130 | * ''Literature/MassEffectAnnihilation:'' Senna is a quarian who, unlike most other quarian, doesn't despise AI (in fact, he keeps a replica of his great-great-great gran in his quarters). He suffers from some internal angst about this, believing he's not a ''true'' quarian. |
| 131 | * Matters of ethnicity are discussed in Creator/GeorgeMacDonaldFraser's ''Literature/{{McAuslan}}'' trilogy of short stories. AuthorAvatar Dand [=McNeill=] discusses the agonies the Gordon Highlanders went through when accepting a draft of soldiers from the Liverpool Scottish -- sons and grandsons of Scotsmen who'd settled in Liverpool but who had the accent of Merseyside rather than Clydeside. One of whom was ''black'', played the bagpipes, and applied to join the Regimental Band. The question was "Can a black-skinned Scouser be said to qualify as Scottish?" closely followed by "What's it going to look like?" |
| 132 | ** Dand also describes the Pipe-Sergeant in these terms: |
| 133 | ---> If he hadn't been such a decent wee man, he'd undoubtedly have been a professional Scotsman of the most offensive type. |
| 134 | * In ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': WideEyedIdealist Sansa believes in the KnightInShiningArmor trope. When Sandor, who hates the institution of knighthood, attempts to shatter her illusions by relating how his knighted brother Gregor abused him as a child, Sansa asserts, "He was no true knight." Of course given how much the series likes to subvert tropes, Sandor ends up being a pretty decent guy despite his appearance and even goes out of his way to help Sansa out, while many of the knights Sansa admires end up mostly being awful and even actively abusive towards her. |
| 135 | * The Halkans in the ''Literature/StarTrekNovelVerse'' are total pacifists, who insist that there is no violence of any kind in their hearts. As a result of this, anyone capable of violence cannot be truly Halkan, and will be regarded as a non-person. |
| 136 | * In ''Literature/WolfHall'', Thomas Cromwell is always getting this from various individuals. He's not really a trusted councilor, he's a strange whim of the king's. He's more Italian than English. He's Jewish, his father was Irish, he has no place among gentlemen, etcetera etcetera etcetera. |
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| 138 | [[/folder]] |
| 139 | |
| 140 | [[folder:Live-Action TV]] |
| 141 | * From the ''Series/{{CSI Miami}}'' episode "Spring Break": Alexx is examining the VictimOfTheWeek and tells Horatio, "Sunburn says she's a tourist," suggesting that any actual Miami resident would ''know'' how to properly put on sunscreen. |
| 142 | * ''Series/{{CSINY}}'': In "She's Not There," Sheldon says it's extremely likely that a deceased man found clad in an "It's the Big Apple!" sweatshirt is not a native New Yorker because a true citizen of the city would never be caught wearing one. He's right. |
| 143 | * ''Series/TheDailyShow'': |
| 144 | ** Excessive use of this in the 2008 US Presidential campaign led to Jon Stewart producing a handy test: [[http://www.cc.com/video-clips/99l0t4/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-on-topic---in-the-news---the-real-america "Are You A Real American?"]] |
| 145 | ** The May 5, 2014 segment showed how Republicans running against other Republicans all declare the opponent to be "not a true conservative" (tying into the RealLife example of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_In_Name_Only RINO]]) by showcasing all the potential definitions thereof and how they are applied in a South Carolina race. |
| 146 | * In an episode of ''Series/{{Desmonds}}'', Desmond's son is failed on an essay about black British youth, because his teacher thinks it reflects a middle-class background which isn't typical of urban culture. Or as his sister puts it "They're saying he's not black enough!" |
| 147 | * ''Series/TheFreshPrinceOfBelAir'': |
| 148 | ** In many episodes, Will often mocks Carlton for not being black enough. For example: |
| 149 | --->'''Carlton:''' Wait 'till we come downstairs in these tuxes. People may not think we're twins, but I'll bet they'll think we're brothers.\ |
| 150 | '''Will:''' You know, I don't think you'll have to worry about anybody mistaking you for a brother. |
| 151 | ** Used a bit more seriously in the episode "Blood is Thicker Than Mud", where Will and Carlton try to join an all-black fraternity. Although they're both hazed, Carlton's is more severe than Will's, and even after he endures everything they put him through, the Pledgemaster still refuses to let Carlton join because he thinks he's a "sellout". Will quits in disgust when he finds out, and after they return home and tell Uncle Phil and Aunt Vivian what happened, Phil laments: "When are we going to stop doing this to each other?" |
| 152 | * ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Balon notes that Euron always mocked their customs and traditions. Euron then arrives at the Kingsmoot and states that by killing Balon he was a true Ironborn because he "paid the Iron price" rather than wait his turn in the line of succession. |
| 153 | * ''Series/{{Ghoul}}'': Nida is questioned about serving in the unit, as a Muslim, when many of the prisoners they torture are also Muslims. She states they're not really Muslims in her view, since their acts of terrorism go against Islamic principles, therefore she's got no compunction (initially) with their work. |
| 154 | * ''Series/MakoMermaidsAnH2OAdventure'': Ondina's opinion on humans-turned-merfolk is this, with her cold dismissal of Evie and insistence that she bears no responsibility for her becoming a mermaid. This attitude cools as she befriends Evie, but comes back full force when Weilan, a natural-born mermaid who grew up on land, joins the cast. |
| 155 | * ''Series/TheMandalorian'' |
| 156 | ** The Tribe takes the Mandalorian people's tendency to do this even further (see Western Animation below) by requiring an adult to have his or her helmet on at all times in the presence of anyone other than immediate family. The Mandalorian clan seen in the show also views working with the Empire as dishonorable, though that's more likely to do with an off-screen event known as "The Purge of Mandalore". |
| 157 | ** The series later confirms that Mandalorians have far different standards in regards to "The Way," when "our" Mandalorian, Din Djarin, bumps into [[spoiler: Bo-Katan]], and immediately turns his gratitude for saving him and the Child into fury upon them removing their helmets. As [[spoiler:she and her followers]] believe the "Children of the Watch" (the sect that raised Din) are nothing but religious zealots, they give his criticisms of them not being true Mandalorians no mind. |
| 158 | ** When Din and Boba Fett recruit Bo-Katan and Koska Reeves to rescue Grogu from Moff Gideon, Boba scoffs at Bo-Katan's aspiration to retake Mandalore, causing Bo-Katan to try to invoke this trope. Boba doesn't consider himself to be a Mandalorian anyway, but she still manages to hit his BerserkButton when she says he's a disgrace to his armor, and calls Jango Fett his "donor" instead of his father. |
| 159 | * ''Series/SaturdayNightLive'': In a parody of the "It Gets Better" project, a gay man (played by Creator/BowenYang) complains about how, even though he doesn't get bullied for his sexuality by straight people anymore, he still gets bullied by other gay people because he has different tastes in music. |
| 160 | * ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'': |
| 161 | ** One of the tactics used by [[Characters/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineGulDukat Gul Dukat]]. After the Klingons attacked, the new civilian government pressed for a diplomatic solution. This flew in the face of his pride, so he waged a one-ship war on the Klingons and then forged an alliance with [[TheEmpire the Dominion]]. He says the following to Major Kira: |
| 162 | --->'''Dukat:''' ''What'' Cardassians? Don't you see, Major? They're paralyzed. They're beaten and defeated. I am the only Cardassian left, and if no one else will stand against the Klingons, I will. |
| 163 | ** Sirella, Martok's wife, whom Jadzia Dax has to please before she can marry Worf. During the ceremonial reading of The Chronicle, a history of the Martok family's unbroken (until now, ahem) bloodline, Jadzia [[WagTheDirector sprinkles in her own extracurricular research]], including: a positive spin on an Oliver Cromwell-type figure in Klingon history, the revelation that Sirella's claim to nobility is false, and that her mother-in-law's ancestor was not the Princess but [[SonOfAWhore a concubine who lived out of the royal stables]]. |
| 164 | --->'''Sirella:''' You are '''''STRAYING FROM THE SAGA!!''''' |
| 165 | ** Having been raised by TheFederation, Worf sometimes gets this from other Klingons, especially when he does something more human than Klingon. |
| 166 | ---> '''Dahar Master Kor:''' Any Klingon who denies himself the Right of Vengeance is no Klingon at all! |
| 167 | ** Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #18: A Ferengi without profit is no Ferengi at all; This is played heavily by Quark and Rom in different ways: Quark's relatively liberal attitude (he doesn't gouge his customers, and he gives his employees vacation time) earns him the ire of Liquidator Brunt for not being ruthless enough. Meanwhile Rom has no talent for or interest in profit whatsoever, and is generally considered to be a loser because of this. (Ironically he later becomes the financial leader of their whole race.) |
| 168 | [[/folder]] |
| 169 | |
| 170 | [[folder:Music]] |
| 171 | * Jazz drummer Music/ArtBlakey, in an interview with British journalist Les Tomkins, had some thoughts about the importance of the drummer in a jazz band. (This quote was also included in the liner notes of his album with the Jazz Messengers, ''Free For All''.) |
| 172 | -->'''Art Blakey:''' No jazz band is any better than its drummer. If the band is better than its drummer, then it's not a jazz band. He puts everything together there and keeps things rolling. This is what I was taught by Chick Webb and by my predecessors, and I think they're proven to be right. |
| 173 | [[/folder]] |
| 174 | |
| 175 | [[folder:Myths & Religion]] |
| 176 | * Literature/TheBible |
| 177 | ** [[Literature/TheFourGospels John 19:12]] has the Jewish leaders shouting to Pontius Pilate "If you release this man (Jesus), you are no Friend of Caesar. Anyone who makes himself a king opposes Caesar." Being governor of Judea, Pilate held the title of Friend of Caesar (a status above ordinary subjects), and the Jewish leaders are implying that if Pilate releases Jesus, he's no "true" Friend of Caesar (which makes this trope OlderThanFeudalism). |
| 178 | ** [[Literature/EpistlesOfJohn 1 John 2:19]] states this about those who left the faith: |
| 179 | --->"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us." |
| 180 | [[/folder]] |
| 181 | |
| 182 | [[folder:Podcasts]] |
| 183 | * In their [=100th=] episode, the hosts of ''Podcast/WhoBackWhen'' note that the most common trend they see when someone sends them hate mail is to ask how they can call themselves ''Series/DoctorWho'' fans yet go on to rate episodes as anything less than perfect. Their own view is that the fact that some episodes are genuinely bad does not detract from their love of the series. Indeed, they see ''Doctor Who'' as something to be loved, warts and all. |
| 184 | [[/folder]] |
| 185 | |
| 186 | [[folder:Pro Wrestling]] |
| 187 | * Portia Perez says that if you don't recognize her, then you aren't a real pro wrestling fan. Also, Allison Danger is a diet Canadian. |
| 188 | [[/folder]] |
| 189 | |
| 190 | [[folder:Radio]] |
| 191 | * ''Radio/JohnFinnemoresSouvenirProgramme:'' One sketch has two men talking about chocolate, with the one played by Finnemore getting increasingly aggravated by the other claiming he's a geek about chocolate, insisting that because he wasn't bullied as a child for being geeky, he doesn't get to call himself one now when he is not sufficiently "geeky". |
| 192 | |
| 193 | [[/folder]] |
| 194 | |
| 195 | [[folder:Tabletop Games]] |
| 196 | * ''TabletopGame/BattleTech'': The [[ProudWarriorRace Clans]] get into a lot of arguments about what the "true" way to be a Clanner is. As AsskickingLeadsToLeadership, generally the "true" Clan way goes down to whomever is the best at beating up or killing anyone who argues with them. |
| 197 | * ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' writer and designer Monte Cook wasn't exactly discreet about [[CreatorsPet how much he liked Wizards]] and nor was he discreet about how much he hated Sorcerers, sabotaging the class' rules and abilities for years to keep Wizards top-tier. Another designer, Skip Williams, once went on record for openly saying that he despised the Sorcerer class and thought they were just discount Wizards. This despite the two classes playing in a very similar fashion.[[note]]For the uninitiated, both were {{Squishy Wizard}} type casters with similar spell lists, Wizards drew their magic power from years of magical study and so had a wider variety of spells which they collected in ther adventures and jotted down in their spellbooks; Sorcerers got their magic from some natural quirk, maybe exposure to raw magic in an accident or a draconic ancestor going way back, and had fewer spells with more uses and gained new ones every level. The two classes ''literally'' shared a spell list for all of Third Edition.[[/note]] |
| 198 | * The [[OurOrcsAreDifferent Orks]] of ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' happily use No True Greenskin to stir up conflict when they can't find anyone else to fight. For example, Orks of the Goff clan know that the only proper greenskin is one who disdains fancy uniforms and is serious about busting in heads, the Bad Moons know that Orks ought to strut about in flashy clothes and blast things with snazzed-up shootas, the Snakebites know that the only true Orks fight with simple weapons astride a [[BeastOfBattle Squiggoth]], while the Evil Suns know that being an Ork is all about racing around on a bike, buggy or trukk. The Blood Axe clan doesn't do this because they think being a true Ork is about turning your enemy's tricks against them, which then becomes one of the reasons they get it from the other clans. |
| 199 | [[/folder]] |
| 200 | |
| 201 | [[folder:Theatre]] |
| 202 | * ''Theatre/CyranoDeBergerac'': In Act IV Scene III, this fallacy is played perfectly straight InUniverse. All the [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Gascon]] [[ImpoverishedPatrician cadets]] are sick to death of De Guiche because he is TheDandy wearing an [[PrettyInMink ermine cape]], [[DecadentCourt plotting with his uncle]] [[TheManBehindTheMan Cardinal]] [[MagnificentBastard Richelieu]]. When captain Carbon tries to defend him, one cadet says that De Guiche is ''"No True Gascon"'': |
| 203 | -->'''Carbon''': For all that--a Gascon.\ |
| 204 | '''The First Cadet''': Ay, ''false Gascon!''... trust him not...\ |
| 205 | Gascons should ever be crack-brained...\ |
| 206 | Naught more dangerous than a ''rational Gascon''. |
| 207 | [[/folder]] |
| 208 | |
| 209 | [[folder:Video Games]] |
| 210 | * In the ''{{VideoGame/Borderlands 2}}'' DLC ''Tiny Tina's Assault on Dragon Keep'', Lilith is incredibly reluctant to let [[TestosteronePoisoning Mr. Torgue]] join in on their game of ''[[AlliterationAndAdventurers Bunkers & Badasses]]'' because [[GeekPhysiques he is a muscular guy, so she believes he's not a true geek]] and only wants to play because being geeky is "trendy" now. It's invoked again moments later when Tina asks him "Three Geeky Questions". Torgue gets the first two right, but the third has an UnexpectedlyObscureAnswer, and he doesn't know. Therefore, according to Lilith, Torgue isn't ''really'' into geek culture. After a great deal of InelegantBlubbering from Torgue, she reluctantly agrees to let him stay as a sidequest-giver. One wonders what her problem is, since she had no problem with Mordecai playing and he is very clearly not interested in the game or anything else geeky (of course, [[AtLeastIAdmitIt he doesn't try to pretend he is]], either). |
| 211 | * In ''VideoGame/DiscoElysium'', the DirtyCommunists suffer from a bad case of WeAreStrugglingTogether as a result of this trope. None of the avowed communists can agree on what communism even ''is'' and spend more time in self-righteous pissing matches over who is or is not a communist than actually compromising on larger points for the purpose of unifying into a coherent ideology. [[spoiler:At the end of the game, you learn that the real killer was TheRemnant of the failed communist revolution [[StrangerBehindTheMask who's spent the last 50 years in hiding]]. If [[PlayerCharacter Harry]] is communist himself, he can [[AlasPoorVillain attempt to sympathize with the man]] only to be called a liberal pretender and told that ''real'' communism died with the party.]] |
| 212 | * Rozalin from ''VideoGame/Disgaea2CursedMemories'' loves her father, Overlord Zenon. Until she actually meets him in person, and discovers he's actually kind of a jerk who seems to care for her only as a decorative object to be 'kept safe' in a castle isolated from the outside world. She immediately deduces that he can't be the ''real'' Overlord Zenon and is only a fake. [[spoiler:She's actually right, but her reasoning that no true Overlord Zenon is a petty jerk [[RightForTheWrongReasons had nothing to do with it]] -- the real Overlord Zenon is [[OmnicidalManiac much worse]]. Or at least used to be, until [[{{Reincarnation}} reincarnating]] [[TomatoInTheMirror as Rozalin]].]] |
| 213 | * ''Franchise/DragonAge:'' |
| 214 | ** In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'', Sten believes in both things and people having an essential nature they are born with and you can't change. For example, if you are born to a merchant clan but become a blacksmith, you are never a blacksmith. You are, forever, a merchant trying to be a blacksmith. If your character is female, Sten comments that you seem to be both a woman and a soldier but this is impossible, you must be either a woman or a soldier. His conclusion is that you aren't a woman, even though you clearly look like one. If the PC is male he'll have this conversation with Liliana. |
| 215 | ** This gets weird in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' DLC, when you meet Tallis, who is both a woman and a warrior and follows the same religion/philosophy that Sten did. This is because the Qun classifies her (like all official assassins) as a priest rather than a warrior. |
| 216 | ** ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'' introduces yet another twist. Iron Bull explains that if a person of one gender can best serve society in a role of the other, they're called "Aqun-Athlok", or transgender. So, for example, if a child the tamassrans think is female shows proficiency at fighting, but isn't good enough at lying to be made a spy like Tallis, everyone acknowledges that the midwife made a mistake in saying they were a girl, the child is put in the military, and from then on is expected to look and act exactly like all the other men, because he is a man. Hence Sten's confusion: the female Warden was clearly a warrior and therefore, a man, but looked and acted like a woman. Iron Bull mentions he gets around this issue by mentally slotting them between genders depending on whether they have armor on at the time. He also ''aggressively'' shuts down anyone who even suggests his trans second in command Krem is anything but a "real" man, including Krem himself in a moment of self doubt. |
| 217 | ** The name "Qunari" itself is an example. Current and former followers of the Qun consider the term to apply only to members of the religion, but everyone else (including members of the same race) uses it as the name for the race. The same thing comes up with Elves; city elves don't think elves that assimilate into human culture are "real" elves, the wandering nomad tribes don't think city elves are "real" elves, and a remnant population of the original fallen Elf civilization doesn't consider either to be elves. Sera, an elf adopted by humans, hates other elves partially because she got this attitude for having grown up in human culture, so she doesn't think elf culture is worth exalting if it means excluding people based on their circumstances. She however, takes it all the way around by considering herself a human who just happens to have pointy ears ("just people" in her words), but despising elves who actually try to protect elf culture as being "too elfy"- and, implicitly, 'not people'. |
| 218 | * In the ''VideoGame/DwarfFortress'' community, experienced players often try to make DifficultButAwesome solutions to otherwise mundane problems. When asked why they don't use an easier solution, the usual response is, "[[ComplexityAddiction It's not dwarven enough]]." |
| 219 | * ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim:'' |
| 220 | ** This lies at the heart of Skyrim's civil war. The Stormcloaks know that no true son or daughter of Skyrim would follow an empire that bowed to an elven treaty outlawing the worship of the Nords' patron deity Talos, while loyalists argue that no true Nord would abandon their allies in their hour of greatest need or fight against the empire that Talos himself ''founded'' before he ascended to godhood. |
| 221 | ** No true ''[[OurDragonsAreDifferent dovah]]'' would ever flee from a fight, especially against another ''dovah''. [[spoiler:When ''[[BigBad Alduin]]'' flees from the [[PlayerCharacter Dragonborn]] after fighting them on the Throat of the World, the rest of the dragons start questioning his right to lead, and his second-in-command Odahviing actually assists you ([[DefeatMeansFriendship once you defeat him]]) because he dislikes serving a DirtyCoward.]] |
| 222 | ** The [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Thalmor]] believe this about any [[OurElvesAreDIfferent Altmer]] who do not support them. Any ''true'' Altmer should gladly follow a [[FantasticRacism genocidally racist]] faction hell bent on [[OmnicidalManiac destroying the world]] in order to AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence. The non-Thalmor Altmer's response is generally to say StopBeingStereotypical while assuring the other races that [[AllGermansAreNazis not all Altmer are Thalmor]]. |
| 223 | * In ''VideoGame/FarCry6'', Anton Castillo uses a DivideAndConquer strategy by stating that there are Yarans who are loyal to the regime and good workers versus Outcasts who are disloyal as well as parasites. This divides the country between the former who serve as a ruling class and the latter who serve as forced workers. |
| 224 | * CJ calls out [[spoiler: Big Smoke]] in the finale of ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'' for wearing body armor, implying that a true gangster doesn't need to rely on body armor to stay alive. GameplayAndStorySegregation aside, CJ's claim comes off as very ironic since the player can use body armor to stay alive longer and it's usually encouraged to do so. |
| 225 | * ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime'' gives you two different control options for Z-Targetting: Switch (which targets something when you press the button, and then deselects when you press it again) and Hold (which requires you to hold down the button and clears your target as soon as it's released). The former is the default, but a gossip stone claims that "real Zelda players" use the latter option. Doubles as a case of RightForTheWrongReasons as they clearly felt it was the "expert" option but Switch was infamously more difficult and despised among players who found Hold to be far easier ''and'' effective -- later games even default to Hold instead of Switch. |
| 226 | * In ''VideoGame/MassEffect2'', whenever Miranda is confronted with Cerberus's horrific acts (the experiments on Jack, the Thresher Maw attack on Akuze, the experiments you encountered in [[VideoGame/MassEffect the first game]], etc.), she will insist those weren't "real Cerberus" or rogue cells. She has a small point in the case of Jack, as we learn those scientists were going rogue about ''something'', but otherwise this is treated as her being in denial about the kinds of things Cerberus has done. [[spoiler:Part of her CharacterDevelopment is overcoming this]]. |
| 227 | * The Ninja/Gray Fox in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' proclaims to Solid Snake that a true warrior fights barehanded and only a fool would trust their life to a weapon. Fighting him barehanded will have him fight back in the same way and he becomes a lot easier to battle against. Trying to fight him with a gun will have him [[NoSell deflect your bullets with his sword]] and he attacks much more aggressively. |
| 228 | * The game ''VideoGame/MetalWolfChaos'' features propaganda news reports that define a ''true'' American as "anyone who supports the idea of having the families and friends of terrorist sympathisers murdered in the streets" rather than "anyone who is a citizen or long-standing resident of America". |
| 229 | * In ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'', if an Engineer Dominates another Engineer, one possible response is "A real Texan would've dodged that". |
| 230 | * ''VideoGame/VermintideII'': When the subject of [[EvilCounterpartRace Chaos Dwarfs]] comes up, Kerillian bluntly says that dwarfs don't worship the Dark Gods -- and those who do aren't true dwarfs. Given the shame and loathing the dwarfs feel for the chaos dwarfs, it's a remarkably generous comment from an {{el|vesVersusDwarves}}f. |
| 231 | * In ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' there are ''five'' Horde factions: the playable Horde, which includes [[TheAlliance all Horde races]] and not just [[OurOrcsAreDifferent the orcs]] like the other examples; the Dark Horde, TheRemnant of the ''Warcraft II'' Horde that is based mostly in Blackrock Mountain and the Burning Steppes; the Fel Horde, the still demon-corrupted remnant of the ''Warcraft II'' expansion Horde in Outland, mostly aligned with Illidan; Garrosh Hellscream's True Horde, which is the orc supremacist faction of the Horde civil war that plays out during the fourth expansion; and finally the Iron Horde, the pre-''Warcraft'' Horde hijacked and industrialized by Garrosh after some [[TimeyWimeyBall time traveling shenanigans]] during the fifth expansion. |
| 232 | [[/folder]] |
| 233 | |
| 234 | [[folder:Visual Novels]] |
| 235 | * ''Franchise/{{Nasuverse}}'': The ultimate goal of a Magus is to try to reach [[AkashicRecords the Root]]. If they cannot reach it in their lifetime, their duty is to pass their teachings to a successor so they can try. Anyone who doesn't strive for this and just uses Magecraft as a useful tool is considered not a real Magus. Magi also tend to shun modern technology and say those who use it are not a real Magus. |
| 236 | ** ''Literature/FateZero'': Kiritsugu Emiya doesn't strive for the Root. Instead, he uses his Magecraft as a tool to be a mercenary and supplements it with technology like guns, bombs, night vision goggles, etc. Several characters like Kayneth El-Melloi angrily say he is not a real Magus. |
| 237 | ** ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'': When Rin Tohsaka learns that Kiritsugu Emiya did not pass his teachings to his son Shirou before dying and that Shirou doesn't even know about the Root, she is insulted and says Kiritsugu was not a real Magus. |
| 238 | ** ''Literature/LordElMelloiIICaseFiles'': Several people say Waver Velvet is not a real Magus because he tends to use modern detective and forensic techniques instead of his rather weak Magecraft to solve magical mysteries. |
| 239 | [[/folder]] |
| 240 | |
| 241 | [[folder:Web Comics]] |
| 242 | * In ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'', this is {{discussed}} in terms of the nebulous term [[https://www.egscomics.com/egsnp/forreals-04 "real fans."]] |
| 243 | * In ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'', a cleric of Loki {{Invert|edTrope}}s this when Elan [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1113.html points out]] that worshiping a trickster god seems at odds with [[OurDwarvesAreAllTheSame dwarven stereotypes]]: |
| 244 | -->'''Elan:''' Worshiping Loki doesn't seem very... I dunno... Dwarf-y.\ |
| 245 | '''Hilgya:''' That's what everyone says, but I'm a dwarf, so it must be. |
| 246 | ** Interestingly, the reason why dwarves are so obsessed with honor is because what afterlife they go to is determined by if they died honorably rather than if they were good or evil. Loki teaches his followers to live dishonorably and this allows them to get a good afterlife because living a dishonorable life counts as an honorable one as long as it is done in the name of a god. So they are effectively acting like dwarves by not acting like dwarves at all, and regular dwarves seem to be fine with this. |
| 247 | [[/folder]] |
| 248 | |
| 249 | [[folder:Websites]] |
| 250 | * ''Website/TheHardTimes'', as part of their [[TakeThat ongoing comedic rivalry]] with the entire genre of [[SkaPunk third-wave ska]], published the editorial [[https://thehardtimes.net/opinion/opinion-streetlight-manifesto-isnt-ska-theyre-good/ "Opinion: Streetlight Manifesto Isn't Ska -- They're Good."]] |
| 251 | [[/folder]] |
| 252 | |
| 253 | [[folder:Web Video]] |
| 254 | * Anita Sarkeesian, of ''WebVideo/FeministFrequency'' fame, has a rather narrower definition of what constitutes "true feminism" in fiction than most critics-- more specifically, she insists that works with ActionGirl protagonists who use violence don't count as "true feminism" because they play into a masculine standard of what makes a strong character. |
| 255 | * ''WebVideo/LinusTechTips'': In [[https://youtu.be/mdFnY74dVNE?t=402 "I Can't Believe Intel is Selling This,"]] Linus says Intel's Arc [=A370M=] GPU may be valuable as a video co-processor if you have a "real" GPU alongside it. |
| 256 | * ''WebVideo/LegalEagle'', mostly jokingly, argues that transactional attorneys aren't proper attorneys, because they only work in an advisory capacity and don't litigate. |
| 257 | * ''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw4yhQOzkeE Kolanii]]'' jokingly feels this way about fans of ''VideoGame/{{Minecraft}}'' who play Bedrock Edition rather than Java Edition[[note]]There are distinct differences, and there's generally no consensus over which version is "better". One small difference, is bone meal is more useful on Bedrock as it can be used as a dye ingredient and can grow sugar cane[[/note]]. |
| 258 | --> "Also, whoever told me I'm an idiot for not using bone meal to grow my sugar cane, who's the idiot now? Doesn't work. Maybe on ''Bedrock'' Minecraft... but on this channel, we play ''real'' Minecraft. Ahh, just kidding: no hate to my Bedrock players." |
| 259 | [[/folder]] |
| 260 | |
| 261 | [[folder:Western Animation]] |
| 262 | * The theme-song of "The Adventures of Ned Flanders", a short at the end of the ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' episode "The Front": |
| 263 | -->'''Singers''': ♪''Hens love roosters, geese love ganders, everyone else loves Ned Flanders.''♪\ |
| 264 | '''Homer:''' Not me!\ |
| 265 | '''Singers:''' ♪''Everyone who counts loves Ned Flanders.''♪ |
| 266 | * ''WesternAnimation/ReadyJetGo'': In "Mindy's Mystery", Mitchell is very snobbish and insists that Jet, Sean, Sydney, and Mindy aren't real detectives. When they ask him about his detective case, he snorts and says "Everyone knows that a real detective never tells what his case is." |
| 267 | * ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'': |
| 268 | ** Mandalorians live and breathe this trope. There are several different viewpoints on what "Mandalorian" really means -- if you don't fit the strict requirements of birth, equipment, and behavior, clearly you're not a real Mandalorian, and you should give up your stolen equipment. In ''The Clone Wars'', the current leadership are actually pacifists; the planet got tired of the constant warfare that being a ProudWarriorRace caused and turned their backs on all of it. The Death Watch sect is a group of radicals seeking to restore the old warrior ways. |
| 269 | ** By ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'', Death Watch has gotten its way, with the warriors on top once more... except the planet has been annexed by the Empire, with the Supercommandos working directly for the government and the rest of the clans paid off. Bo-Katan (one of the members of Death Watch) wants the Darksaber, the old symbol of the leader of Mandalore, in order to unite the clans against the Empire. |
| 270 | ** Prime Minister Almec, the leader during later parts of the Clone Wars, claimed that Jango Fett was just a petty thug who somehow found Mandalorian armor. It should be noted that Almec was corrupt and had ties to the Death Watch, who were the sworn enemies of Fett and the True Mandalorians he fought for. The essential argument between them is that Death Watch supposedly has no honor, while the True Mandalorians have no backbone, both deadly insults. After Disney's continuity reboot, most of this was pushed into the non-canon ''Franchise/StarWarsLegends'', leaving Almec's word the only canon on it. This actually represents George Lucas's original vision of Boba Fett as simply being a mercenary in Mandalorian armor. |
| 271 | ** ''Series/TheMandalorian'': The title Mandalorian belongs to a traditionalist sect called "the Watch," which has stricter rules on many things. Most famously, they never take off their helmets where anyone else can see; if they do, they are not considered a Mandalorian any more, and can never put it back on. Din is shocked when he encounters Bo-Katan's people and they have no problem taking off their helmets. The Fett controversy is also brought up again, with Bo-Katan dismissing Jango (who is dead at this point) as not a real Mandalorian, and likewise Boba as just another clone. However, when Boba shows Din his chain code, he proves that Jango was a foundling (an orphan adopted by Mandalorians and trained in their ways) and Boba is his son. That's good enough for Din to consider him a real Mandalorian, though we don't get to see Bo-Katan's opinion. |
| 272 | ** It should be pointed out that Boba himself mentions he owes no allegiance to the Mandalorians or whatever code they follow. For example, he tells Din he doesn't follow "the Way" followed by Din's sect the Watch and actively mocks Bo-Katan's obsession with the Darksaber and her stated desire to rebuild Mandalore (a planet he dismisses as a glassed-over wasteland). He does, however, take offense to any suggestion that his father Jango was not a "true" Mandalorian, since Jango (as stated above) was a Mandalorian foundling. |
| 273 | * ''WesternAnimation/WabbitALooneyTunesProduction'': In "Bugs Bunny?", Bugs meets a group of "real" ([[SlidingScaleOfAnthropomorphism less anthropomorphic]]) rabbits who don't believe he's actually a rabbit and put him through a series of challenges to prove he is. |
| 274 | [[/folder]] |
| 275 | |
| 276 | |
| 277 | ---- |
| 278 | ->''[[SelfDemonstratingArticle No true Troper]] [[HypocriticalHumor would ever use this trope!]]'' |
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