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1	Sometimes, for whatever reason, a [[TheMentor mentor]], a QuestGiver, or someone in the know has cause to lie to the heroes. It's not necessarily even for its own sake, in fact it may even be with the best of intentions. However, inevitably it comes to a point where instead of helping, continued deception will cause more harm than good.
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3	Most of the time, this is when the characters have to let the truth out, no matter the feelings hurt, the harmful secrets revealed, the comfortable illusions shattered.
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5	The No More Lies moment is that point, where the plan is no longer furthered by lying. Sometimes, in fact, the plan has already been hindered and the mentor has no choice but to part with the information. Sometimes the mentor is a ManipulativeBastard and only gives the information when he knows the Hero will have no choice but to keep going. Sometimes the hero does have the choice to leave, and that choice is precisely why the ManipulativeBastard version was waiting.
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7	!!Examples:
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9	[[AC:Anime and Manga]]
10	* In ''Manga/TsubasaReservoirChronicle'', [[spoiler:Fai knew everything that would happen all along. The rest of the group found out when Ashura showed them Fai's past.]]
11	* ''Anime/CrossAnge'': In episode 18, Ange, sick of Jill's deceptive ways, asks her to spill the complete truth about the current Libertus plan. Jill, without hesitation, reveals that she demands to use anyone and everyone as a pawn, and threatens Ange into complying by holding her best friend hostage. This of course is too much for Ange, who gives her an epic verbal chewing out.
12	* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'': After Kabuto is defeated and the Edo Tensei is deactivated, Itachi (who is about to be sent back to the afterlife) finally confesses everything to Sasuke and assures his brother that he loves him unconditionally.
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14	[[AC:Fan Works]]
15	* ''FanFic/WalkingInCircles'': [[VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition Solas]] has to lie to Evelyn about who he actually is due to several reasons, but he finally tells her the truth after they escaped from Ostwick Circle since due to her [[spoiler: being a Tranquil]] at the time, there's no harm in doing so.
16	** After she recovered, Evelyn directly asks him if he’d ever lie to her again and his answer is no.
17	* ''Fanfic/InfinityTrainBlossomingTrail'': [[Characters/InfinityTrainBlossomingTrailGraceMonroe Grace Monroe]] spent all her life lying her ass off about her being an expert on the Train despite people telling her that her actions are wrong and the Train is meant to help people get better by ''decreasing'' their numbers, rather than raising them. After the Fog Car breaks down everything she's ever created, she openly tells the Apex the truth.
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19	[[AC:Films -- Animated]]
20	* ''WesternAnimation/Shrek1'': Fiona, at the altar at sunset, chooses Shrek over Farquaad and reveals her nature and her curse.
21	* In ''WesternAnimation/SausageParty'', when Frank asks the Non Perishables what really happens in the Great Beyond, they at first try to kill him, but Twink convinces them to spare him, and that its time they end it, to which Firewater admits that he’s tired of lying, and they tell Frank the truth of [[EatenAlive what really happens]] in the Great Beyond.
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23	[[AC:Films -- Live-Action]]
24	* ''Film/JudgeDredd'': Chief Judge Fargo told Dredd that his family was killed when he was a child. Just before his death Fargo tells Dredd the truth: Dredd was created in a lab, and so was Rico.
25	* ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'': When Obi-Wan can no longer gain by hiding the truth from Luke, he tells him that Vader is in fact his father and that Leia is his twin sister.
26	* ''Film/GalaxyQuest'': When the ship is boarded, Jason has no choice but to tell the truth about the show and his life as an actor.
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28	[[AC:{{Literature}}]]
29	* ''Literature/KingdomsOfThornAndBone'': z'Acatto needs to tell Cazio that his own drunken stupidity led to the death of Cazio's father because if he didn't he knew the young man would chase shadows until he died.
30	* ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'': Aragorn shows himself to Sauron in the palantír when there can be no more gain by hiding himself and who he is.
31	** Well, that and it's also part of a larger deception to convince Sauron that he has the ring -- to draw his attention away from their ''real'' plan to destroy it.
32	* ''Literature/HarryPotter'': When Dumbledore tells Harry what little he hadn't pieced together about Voldemort and the Prophecy, he lampshades this pretty well verbatim. Although even then, he did leave one final vital nugget of information that only comes through in the final book.
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34	[[AC:LiveActionTV]]
35	* Often subverted in ''Series/{{Seinfeld}}'', where even when the point has obviously come to tell the truth, characters (most often George) will continue to lie on principle.
36	* ''Series/{{Arrow}}''. Roy Harper lies to Thea that he's not working with the Arrow, but she finds evidence otherwise and leaves not only him but Starling City at the end of Season Two. He swears to himself that if they ever get back together he'll never lie to her again.
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38	[[AC:Multiple Media]]
39	* The Turaga elders in ''Toys/{{Bionicle}}'' decide by themselves to share their secrets about the lost city of Metru Nui, reveal the islanders' true origin and their forgotten past lives, and also that the Toa they had been mentoring weren't the first heroes to walk the land by a long shot -- but first wait for the Kolhii championship to be over. However, events that occur directly after the match lead to the actual discovery of Metru Nui, so they have no choice but to tell their tales. This was also a huge relief for Matoro, the only villager who had been aware of it all but was asked to keep silent around his people.
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41	[[AC:Music]]
42	* Music/TheMoodyBlues song, "No More Lies", is all about this.
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44	[[AC:Tabletop Game]]
45	* In the earliest story in the ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'' timeline, ''The Last Church'', Uriah Olathaire's religion versus reason debate ends with him demanding "Revelation" to drop his act. [[AngelUnaware And he does,]] revealing himself to be [[spoiler: the Emperor of Mankind.]]
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47	[[AC:Video Game]]
48	* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'': The Grey Wardens are made of this. They keep the Joining ritual secret until the last moment, and they keep the HeroicSacrifice needed by a Warden to slay an Archdemon secret until the end.
49	* In ''VideoGame/Fallout4'', the [[UndergroundRailroad Railroad]]-aligned companion Deacon is a TricksterMentor and SelfProclaimedLiar who constantly bullshits the [[PlayerCharacter Sole Survivor]] by claiming to be a [[ArtificialHuman Synth]], or the true leader of the Railroad, just to teach them the importance of seeing through the other factions' lies. But if the player reaches [[RelationshipValues maximum affinity]] with him, Deacon will (claim to) be completely honest for once, giving the (allegedly) true account of his shameful past as a FormerBigot that led him to join the Railroad to [[TheAtoner atone.]]
50	* In ''VideoGame/HorizonZeroDawn'', the primeval state of humanity (one savant just invented ''the cannon'') means they are essentially incapable of understanding what sapient AIs are and how they are different from gods. The AI named CYAN took advantage of this fact- partly to protect herself, but also because the Banuk have an entire culture based around what they think machines are, and CYAN has no right to take that from them. She discusses the situation with a slightly more advanced tribeswoman, and they agree that CYAN should tell the Banuk the truth... but ''slowly'', as they show themselves ready for it. The truth would not make the Banuk any more capable of surviving, it would drastically drop their morale, and it would destroy a belief system that is beautiful in its own right... and has many of the fundamental facts about machines correct, if not the specifics.
51	* ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime'' has Zelda, who knows about the Triforce and who has each piece of it, but she waits until she has no choice to tell Link.
52	* The ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney ''series has several of these, often when Phoenix's clients are innocent of the crimes they're accused of but hold off on explaining the full truth to Phoenix and the court until the climax of the trial. One major example involves Lana from the DS version of the first game.
53	* When you receive Mordin's loyalty mission in ''VideoGame/MassEffect2'', he tells Shepard that he wasn't entirely truthful about his previous work in the STG, studying the effects of the genophage -- [[spoiler: when they discovered the krogan were adapting, he and his team revised the genophage to keep the krogan subdued]].
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55	[[AC:Web Comic]]
56	* ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'' has Baron Wulfenbach say the "no more secrets" version of this to his son Gil. Of course, it's also of the "I'll tell you after the big plot event" so Gil still doesn't know anything. [[spoiler:And now the Baron may be dead.]]
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58	[[AC:Web Animation]]
59	* Said word for word by Yang Xiao Long in ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'' when [[spoiler: confronting Ozpin about his secrets, particularly the Branwen twins' status as shapeshifters. Ultimately subverted due to him still keeping some secrets after explaining his feud with [[BigBad Salem]], with the true moment occurring the next season of the show when the protagonists ask [[TheOmniscient Jinn]] about what Ozpin is hiding.]]
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61	[[AC:Western Animation]]
62	* In ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'', it's been a recurring theme that Stan Is Not What He Seems (Taken from an encoded message seen in the intro). This mystery comes to a head in "Not What He Seems" when the Pines Twins learn several dark secrets. In the following episode, Dipper tells Stan, "Okay, Stan, no more lies!" when they demand to know what's going on.
63	* ''WesternAnimation/HeyArnold'': In the episode '''"The Big Scoop,"''' [[Characters/HeyArnoldArnoldShortman Arnold Shortman]] and [[Characters/HeyArnoldHelgaGPataki Helga G. Pataki]] argue about how to run the school newspaper. Helga wants to tabloidize it and run big juicy stories that run deeper than the truth, while Arnold wants to stick to the facts and tell the truth. Helga eventually left with her best friend Phoebe to make her own newspaper. Helga finds success in her newspaper by posting fake stories and half-truth stories, while Arnold struggles to compete with her by just posting the truth. Helga is shown to be willing to steal Arnold's stories and add lies to them. Eventually, Arnold and his best friend Gerald heard that Helga planned to post a story that said the school would be torn down and an amusement park would be built in the school place. Arnold and Gerald investigated and asked Principal Warts, who revealed that while the school was going to be torn down because walls were going down, no amusement park was going to be built in its place. [[PoorCommunicationKills Walls would be torn down because they would add to the school, building more classrooms]]. After getting a quote that confirms Principal Wart's story, Arnold and Gerald posted the story, and when Helga tried to post her version of the story, their classmates angrily said that's not what Arnold's stories said, and with Principal Wart's confirmation no one believed Helga story. And when Arnold tells Helga that no one believes anything in her paper, she tries to save face by telling more gossip and reducing her paper's price, only for her classmates to say no more lies. When Helga asks why everyone is so upset, she wants to tell good juicy stories that delve deeper than the truth; Arnold answers that she pushed the truth too far. This causes Helga to finally close down her paper and rejoins Arnold's paper, reporting the weather.

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