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10	->''"Your average peasant had the IQ of an extremely rotten tree stump and the common sense of a very small lump of mud..."''
11	-->-- '''Top Ten Horror Stories''' by Michael Cox, explaining how easy it was to convince medieval peasants of werewolves and vampires prowling about
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13	Medieval people are morons.
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15	Whenever you see medieval people in fiction, particularly peasants, they will always be depicted as [[TheDitz stupid]], small-minded, xenophobic, [[DirtyCoward savage but cowardly]], superstitious, [[GullibleLemmings gullible]], and primitive. And of course, [[NoWomansLand all men treat all women like crap all the time]] - the Old World equivalent of [[UglyAmericanStereotype stereotypical American rednecks]].
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17	Thus, {{time travel}}ers are advised to avoid TheMiddleAges (or as we call it, TheDungAges) at all costs, lest they be [[BurnTheWitch burned as witches]].
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19	This trope was popularized by the Enlightenment due to the "MedievalStasis" trope, their perception on [[DarkAgeEurope the world after Rome]] as [[AfterTheEnd a post-apocalyptic, war-ridden, anti-intellectual dystopia]], and how they saw themselves as paragons of progress recovering the glory of the classical world. [[Analysis/MedievalMorons Of course, reality is more complex than that.]] Not only did Enlightenment thinkers harbor their own misconceptions and prejudices [[FromBadToWorse (some of them far worse than anything previously believed)]], but medieval people were just as intelligent on average as any other representative person living in any other period of history; they simply did not have the accumulated experience and knowledge that people take for granted when their world includes things like universal education and literacy, plus extensive trade and travel infrastructure connecting them to most other parts of the known world (case in point, do ''you'' know how to build a computer?). Basically, unless you were very special or belonged to an organization with some of these features, you had to spend most of your time surviving in a way that didn't require these things.
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21	What's more, TheFundamentalist was actually just as much a VocalMinority then as now. The Vatican, for example, has actually held to a non-literal interpretation of [[Literature/BookOfGenesis Genesis]] as early as the time of St. Augustine (who compared {{God}} to a farmer planting seeds to watch them grow), and it is in fact these very writings of his that got him canonized as a Saint in the first place. In fact, medieval Christian monks were some of ''the earliest proto-scientists,'' operating under the logic that learning more about God's world would allow them to learn more about God!
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23	Heck, not even TheFairFolk were as widely believed-in as many think they were. For example, that aforementioned St. Augustine guy was once asked [[FridgeLogic how they fit into the Adam and Eve narrative]], and his response was "We can worry about that once we know for certain that there are any [Fair Folk]." In other words, they tempered their beliefs with ''critical thinking and evidence-oriented skepticism.''
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25	Occasionally people living in [[OldShame another widely disliked time]] will get this depiction. [[TheFifties The 1950s]] have long been favorite targets, and increasingly [[TheSeventies the 1970s]] and [[TheEighties '80s]] have been getting this too (when it comes to more contemporary issues such as homophobia).
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27	Compare: HumansAreMorons. Also compare TheDungAges, when the Middle Ages is ''filthy''. The two tropes usually go hand in hand, but sometimes you can have one without the other (and RealLife ''did''; TheDungAges is far more TruthInTelevision, as the contemporary sanitation was more often than not inadequate, to say the least). Compare ''and'' contrast StupidFuturePeople. When writers forget one particular aspect that is accurate you get MedievalUniversalLiteracy.
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30	!!Examples:
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35	* ''Manga/{{Jin}}'': Averted. The title character's medical skills are frequently not trusted as much as they really ought to be, but that's because he's doing things so far and above the pre-Meiji period that the only way they can believe it is to see it. Doctors get a fair amount of respect, Jin is eventually able to get Cattle Punk versions of 2000-era medical tools made, etc. Neither are the denizens of Tokugawa Japan portrayed as ignoramuses.
36	* ''Manga/{{Wolfsmund}}'': Significantly Averted. Being smart was just as important in the Middle Ages as it was in any other period, and any characters playing the game of subterfuge have to be quick with their wits.
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40	* ''ComicBook/PaxRomana'': Averted in this comic, which involves a paramilitary group sent into the time of Constantine the Great. The Romans are shocked and amazed by the technological power displayed, but they're by no means idiots. Neither do they blindly follow the newcomers or their advice, though they nonetheless accept them eventually.
41	* ''ComicBook/JohanAndPeewit'': When Johan is chasing Boustroux, two peasants spotted them. They wonder who they should be helping and eventually settle for Boustroux despite his sinister look and dark clothes. Since his clothes are fancier, he's probably a noble in distress while the young man must be a ruffian.
42	* In ''ComicBook/TheScrameustache'' it is invoked by Uncle Georges, and predictably the heroes get in trouble because of medieval peasants.
43	* ''ComicBook/{{Superman}}'':
44	** In ''ComicBook/TwoForTheDeathOfOne'', Superman gets dragged to the Middle Ages. Fourteenth-century English villagers are depicted as superstitious dullards who mistake Superman with a demon and shout "Demons!" and "Witchcraft!" every time they see something slightly unusual.
45	** In ''ComicBook/TheUnknownSupergirl'', [[ComicBook/{{Supergirl}} Kara Zor-El]] travels to the year 1692 and arrives at a poor, little British colony. Settlers are portrayed as ignorant, unhygienic people, and regarded by Kara as gullible, superstitious fools because they believe in witches (even though she knows for a fact that witches are real)
46	** ''ComicBook/BatmanSupermanWorldsFinest'': As stranded in the year 1892, Robin tries to solve the murder of two circus workers. Dick insists to his co-workers that the circus's bear and lion are innocent, but he does not explain why, since he assumes those folks cannnot even begin to understand 21st century science... even though his first clue -if the bear and the lion had mauled those men, their fur should have been covered with blood- requires no understanding of modern forensic science. Notheless, he assumes 19th century people are too backwards for simple common sense.
47	** ''ComicBook/LegionOfSuperHeroes'': In ''[[ComicBook/TheLegionOfSuperHeroes their first appearance]]'', the 30th century teenagers offhandedly admit they consider the 20th century primitive people to be obviously stupid and backwards.
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51	* ''WesternAnimation/{{Brave}}'': Look no further than the scene at the royal court where almost everyone is fighting like children.
52	* Strongly subverted in ''WesternAnimation/TheSecretOfKells'', showing how highly intelligent monks preserved everything carefully and artistically.
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56	* ''Film/BillAndTedsExcellentAdventure''. No matter where they went in history, no matter which historical figure they abducted, nobody really seemed to care that they'd fallen out of the sky in a phone booth and absconded with [[Music/LudwigVanBeethoven Beethoven]]. That is of course until they ended up in medieval England, where they were [[spoiler:put on the chopping block to the sound of a man screaming that they came from the sky, and just barely escaped with their skins.]] Also subverted in the fact that neither Bill nor Ted are the sharpest knives in the drawer...
57	-->'''King''': Put them in the iron maiden.\
58	'''Bill and Ted''': Music/IronMaiden? [[TheNotSoHarmlessPunishment Excellent! Air guitar]]\
59	'''King''': Execute them!\
60	'''Bill and Ted''': Bogus.
61	* ''Film/MontyPythonAndTheHolyGrail'':
62	** Doubly subverted when Sir Bedevere is approached by a mob of superstitious villagers who think they have caught a witch and accordingly want permission [[BurnTheWitch to burn her]]. When Bedevere asks them the obvious question of how they know the woman is a witch, they only come up with nonsensical non-evidence ("she looks like one", "she has a wart", and a perfectly human-shaped man claiming she turned him into a newt). The impression that Bedevere is [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure a voice of reason]] trying to talk the villagers out of their superstitious fury is soon scattered when Bedevere instead uses a string of equally nonsensical "logical" conclusions to "prove" that witches are made of wood (because they burn), and therefore weigh the same as a duck (because ducks float on water like wood). By use of a pair of giant scales, Bedevere and the villagers proceed to determine that the suspect weighs the same as a duck, and accordingly the woman is hauled off as a witch.
63	** Subverted it in the "peasants digging filth" scene:
64	--->'''Dennis (peasant):''' We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week, but all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs, but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more major...
65	** Not an active subversion, but in the DVD commentary Terry Jones noted that while researching the era it appeared that human remains had mostly intact teeth (albeit with ground down molars). Jones surmised that this was due to a diet without refined sugar but lots of coarse grain.
66	* ''Film/ArmyOfDarkness'' saw the zombie-fighting hero Ash thrown back in time with a chainsaw in one hand (or, ''as'' one hand) and a shotgun in the other. The peasants were not amused, though they were rather impressed with his "[[ThisIsMyBoomstick boomstick]]".
67	-->"Don't touch that! Your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys, and compositions, and... things with... molecular structures..."
68	* The two protagonists of ''Film/LesVisiteurs'', Godefroy de Montmirail (Creator/JeanReno) and his squire Jacquouille "La Fripouille" (Creator/ChristianClavier), and especially Jacquouille. It's not helped by the fact that they have travelled time from their era, the 12th century, to the 20th century. [[FishOutOfTemporalWater The medieval way they interact with 20th-century life constantly gets them in trouble]]. For instance, they utterly destroy a postal van, thinking it to be a devil-powered cart driven by a Saracen (he's a black postman actually).
69	** Pretty much every peasant and the inquisitor in the sequel. The inquisitor gets scared by a moo box, thinking it's an artifact of the devil, and condemns Jacquard to be [[BurnTheWitch burnt at the stake]] for carrying it.
70	** In the remake, ''Film/JustVisiting'', they destroy a VW Beetle, thinking it's a dragon. Upon seeing the displaced villain from the present time, they gaze at him with stupid wonder while wielding crosses. They flee in terror when the cellphone they took from him starts ringing.
71	* {{Subverted}} in ''Film/TheNavigator''. While the time-displaced villagers are understandably disoriented and frightened by much of what they encounter - and when it's a construction site full of mechanical earthmovers, who could blame them? - they make quite a few reasonable deductions and plans, within the limits of their knowledge and faith.
72	* Played straight with ''Film/TheNameOfTheRose'', the film version. Everyone but [[TheWatson the narrator]] and the hero [[DetectiveStory William of Baskerville]] is a moron or a fanatic or both. It is averted in the novel.
73	* ''{{Film/Timeline}}'': {{Discussed}} when the group is trying to escape and Chris claims their modern knowledge is enough that they can surely outthink medieval people. It's quickly {{subverted}} however since those people are no dumber than them and (being from the era) have a lot of ''advantages'' regarding knowledge. They only barely manage to escape.
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77	* Played with in ''Literature/ElConquistador''. When Quetza discovers the Spanish port of Huelva, he first notices the bad smell, then the idiocy of the people that are willing to believe anything he says as a representative of "Cipango" (Japan). The only one that sees through his lie is an ''actual'' Japanese maiden, who became a prostitute due to her kidnapping by a pirate ship.
78	* {{Averted}} in Creator/MichaelCrichton's ''Literature/{{Timeline}}''. In this book, the time travelers are often outwitted and outmatched by the natives. A consistent theme is that while the time travelers possess modern knowledge, they do not have the skills or resources to survive in the more primitive environment. Of particular note is that Crichton specifically details the natives' sanitation practices. Lack of awareness of bacteria did not prevent them from attending to hygiene, averting the stereotype of "living in filth". On the other hand, there are some pretty disgusting things, such as the tannery, that were TruthInTelevision.
79	* ''Literature/AConnecticutYankeeInKingArthursCourt'': Creator/MarkTwain was trying to portray the evils of aristocracy, but it's exaggerated and unhistorical, with most of the characters just generally acting TooDumbToLive.
80	* {{Subverted}} in the Creator/PoulAnderson novel ''Literature/TheHighCrusade''. [[ScaryDogmaticAliens A high-tech alien empire]] is brought to its knees [[RockBeatsLaser by a 14th century English army]]. The Medieval characters naturally view things through a Medieval lens (the aliens are initially mistaken for demons) but are very capable and clever. In fact [[spoiler:not only do the Crusaders end up conquering the aliens, they convert them to both feudalism and Christianity]] by the end. Unfortunately, the movie played this trope nearly completely straight. Also {{inverted}}. The medieval English are able to repeatedly outsmart and deceive super-advanced aliens. It's not too ridiculous as the Wersgor are implied to have fallen into an intellectual rut since they became a galactic superpower, whereas Sir Roger, the leader of the English, has had to become a MagnificentBastard from an early age just to have a hope of surviving the perils of European courtly politics.
81	* ''Literature/TheLordOfBembibre'': The narrator states the rumors about the Templar Knights being heretics and sorcerers were believed by the 14th century peasants because medieval people were ''obviously'' superstitious, ignorant and gullible. Nonetheless, both aristocrats and commoners are shown to be perfectly capable of using logic and common sense, and educated characters don't believe the charges of witchcraft. An abbot bluntly tells his enmity towards the Templars is not based on rumors of them being sorcerers, since he dismisses such tales as nonsense, but he considers the stories of them being arrogant and despicable moneylenders absolutely credible.
82	* "Literature/TheManWhoCameEarly": Poul Anderson further subverted this trope in this short story, in which the eponymous man TrappedInThePast fails to impress medieval Icelanders. They aren't even particularly fazed by his handgun. On the other hand, he comes across as completely useless due to his complete lack of skills which they consider basic, such like crop-planting, horse-ridding or knitting.
83	* Subverted in the book ''Literature/SixteenThirtyTwo'', in which the doctor of a time-displaced modern American town has to consult with his "downtime" counterpart. It becomes clear that the "local" doctor not only ''doesn't'' use leeches and ground bat's wing, but has a medical library in nearly a dozen languages, all of which he speaks fluently. Some of those books are even in English. Uptimer doctor James Nichols, who is fluent in English and... English, is completely dumbfounded. The local high school history teacher, Melissa Mailey, breaks down laughing and says "You didn't actually think you were ''smarter'' than him, did you?" In addition, although they have their initial fears, the early modern characters are extremely quick to recognize and appreciate American technology instead of writing it off as witchcraft and even logically deduce why it cannot be magic.
84	* Averted in George Martin's ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire''. We don't see that many peasants, but those we do are just people. Some are smart, some are stupid, most are fairly level-headed. Most of them are simply denied education and stay illiterate for most of their lives because the glass ceiling only allows such privileges for the nobility. In ''[[Literature/TalesOfDunkAndEgg The Sworn Sword]]'', Dunk even tells Egg (who is royalty) to be respectful to them. They might not be able to read or argue about the politics of the realm, but they know when to plant their crops and how to deliver a calf.
85	** And then there are the members of the aristocracy like [[MagnificentBastard Littlefinger]] or [[TooCleverByHalf Tyrion]] who could possibly be smarter than anyone ever. Littlefinger may count as even more of an aversion; he is aristocratic only by title, his family's lands were small and poor, and he is apparently mostly self-educated beyond a basic level (which would have been provided when he was fostered at Riverrun), but he's [[{{Chessmaster}} one of the smartest cookies in the series.]] Varys' background is even poorer and he's at least as smart, but his rise to power involves some unsavory things.
86	* Taking place as it does in a quasi-medieval mishmash of an era, Literature/{{Discworld}} plays around with this trope quite a bit. That said, even towards the more peasantry circa 1400 mindset parts people tend to just be people.
87	* Averted in ''Literature/DragonBones'': Everyone the protagonists meet is pretty smart. The farmers know how to farm, the stable master knows how to treat horses (his lord doesn't, but that's more due to his being a sadistic monster), everyone who ''rides'' knows how to take care of horses, the woman in charge of the guards is a good fighter, strategist, and teacher, who is not prone to stupid heroic acts. Sadly, the fact that everyone is so smart is also the reason that no one has murdered the high king yet; everyone figures they'd better use a long-term plan than be executed for regicide.
88	* In ''Literature/TheSwordOfTruth'' one of the morals is "People are stupid" and boy does it show. From the first book, there's a crowd of people being moved to tears by Michael's impassioned speech about the evils of ''fire''. The Mud People, despite living for generations in a place where it rains all the time, have somehow never figured out how to make roofs that don't leak. And there's the group of peasants sent by Darken Rahl to attack Zedd in the belief he's a witch. First he tells them the term is warlock. Then he talks the angry mob into having a ''brainstorming session'' about all the terrible things warlocks can do until they get scared and give up.
89	** Mostly avoided in the TV series ''Series/LegendOfTheSeeker'', based on the books.
90	* In the Literature/TimeScout series, this is how downtimers are initially portrayed, but the portrayal becomes more nuanced and positive as the story progresses.
91	* Averted in Beatrice Small's ''The Innocent'', where the serfs and servants are perfectly capable of out-maneuvering the nasty wife/widow of their lord, and protecting the lord's sister and heir from falling prey to the machinations of the ex-lady and her lover.
92	* Played straight and subverted in the original ''Literature/TheTimeTraders'' series. [[TheMentor One male]] lead tells the other that the 'primitives' they meet with in pre-history may be able to deduce scientific or mechanical principles from a rifle or other item, and therefore ''everything'' the Time Traders take with them to the past must fit the era, even to the point of disguising antibiotics in the form of local medicines. But most of the past folk we actually see do not come across as very intelligent, even the two characters, one a priestess and the other a chief's wife, who are interested in learning about the world beyond their doorstep.
93	* Discussed at one point in ''Literature/{{Safehold}},'' when Merlin quotes [[ClarkesThirdLaw Arthur C. Clarke]] for Cayleb and tells him not to feel like an ignorant savage because, within the framework they have, the people of Safehold are every bit as clever and creative as the people of the high-tech society Merlin came from. It also helps that the people from Merlin's time that founded Safehold's civilization helped them be able to be better than the time they're trying to emulate (Age of Sail-esque where they have muskets and use galleys and galleons). For instance, the sanitation problems of that time period are essentially nonexistent due to one of the holy books of the setting's religion talking about how in this case cleanliness is ''literally'' next to godliness.
94	* Averted in ''Literature/TheNameOfTheRose''. Some of the characters are outright brilliant, and even those whose beliefs seem backwards by modern standards generally have the learning and rhetorical skill to defend them. Granted, almost all of them are monks, so it follows that they are educated.
95	* Played straight in Frederic Pohl & C.M. Kornbluth's "Mute Inglorious Tam" where a medieval peasant has a lot of brilliant ideas and speculations, but he doesn't have the vocabulary to describe what he means, and such talk could get him a stern talking-to from the priest, maybe even accused of witchcraft.
96	* Averted in the short story ''Death in Vesunna'' by Creator/HarryTurtledove, where two time travelers in the late Roman Empire murder someone with a gun to steal a lost book worth millions which they can then sell to future collectors. They're confident none of the locals will be able to figure out how he died before they can go back. However, the local Roman equivalent of the police chief, along with his physician friend, successfully deduce what happened and catch them.
97	* In ''Literature/NoGameNoLife'', most of Disboard is in a medieval society, with some exceptions- the Warbeasts have made a virtual reality game that is vastly more advanced than anything in real life. Perhaps the most shining example of this trope is when Sora becomes enraged that the king of Elkia bet his country's library in a game with the Flugels without copying down the information beforehand, only to realize that only about 10% of Elkia can actually read and write and the task would have been impossible.
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101	* Subverted in the ''Series/DoctorWho'' episode "The Awakening," with a 17th-century farmboy named Will Chandler, who, while illiterate and only just aware of what year it is, proves to be quite bright.
102	* This trope is present in ''Series/{{Blackadder}}'', but makes it clear that people in all time periods are equally moronic. Baldrick's [[CharacterisationMarchesOn initial characterisation]] in the first series is a notable subversion, as he's a grubby medieval peasant who happens to be the OnlySaneMan.
103	* Similarly present in ''Series/MaidMarianAndHerMerryMen'', where Marian and the Sheriff are the only characters with two brain cells to rub together.
104	* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer''. The episode "Selfless" shows how Anya, once a Swedish peasant girl in circa 880AD, became a vengeance demon after she turned her unfaithful husband Olaf into a troll, who is immediately attacked by the fearful villagers.
105	-->'''Olaf:''' Stop! I am Olaf!\
106	'''Villager:''' The troll is doing an Olaf impersonation!
107	* ''Series/{{Kaamelott}}'' is based almost entirely on this, with Myth/KingArthur as the OnlySaneMan due to his Roman upbringing. His knights are forever bickering about finding the Grail instead of actually looking for it, his father-in-law builds a catapult in the main courtyard and wants to knock down the gate so it can be taken outside, and then you have Guethenoc and Roparzh, two peasants with a mutual case of SitcomArchNemesis who don't mind setting fire to half the land or poisoning most of the livestock to get back at each other despite it meaning starvation for them and the rest of the country. Lancelot's betrayal isn't even due to kidnapping the queen [[spoiler:she leaves of her own accord, to Arthur's delight]], it's because the knights are as bad as the peasants so he sets up his own army. The fact that his soldiers are just as inept as Kaamelott's never seems to occur to him. Things haven't gotten any better ten years later by the time of TheMovie, ''Film/KaamelottPremierVolet''.
108	* ''Series/MiracleWorkers'': Alexandra learns a mere three "facts" at the university (the Earth is flat, the Devil is real, the sun is crazy) before graduating.
109	* In his more extreme moments, ''Series/SaturdayNightLive'''s GrumpyOldMan character (who was actually ''called'' A Grumpy Old Man) became the early-20th-century equivalent. He would rant about how [[WhenIWasYourAge back in his day]], people amused themselves by staring at the Sun until their eyeballs burst into flames, went door-to-door screaming until they coughed up blood because Christmas carols weren't invented yet, etc. At one point, he says that this was "'cause we were ignorant morons."
110	-->"And that's the way it was and we LIKED it!"
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114	* Varies between worlds in ''TabletopGame/BattleTech''. Most nations in the setting operate in FeudalFuture, with some worlds having it better or worst than others. Planets such as Terra, or the Capital planets have the best technology available, with a well educated population. Whilst backwater worlds that have low level tech tend to have a populace that have little to no knowledge of the advance technology available to other worlds. One instance is an acting troupe was preforming Hamlet to an audience of regular farmers, and used holograms for special effects on depicting the ghost of Hamlet's father, the farmers never seen holograms before were scared out of their seats thinking the holograms as actual ghosts.
115	* ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'': The average inhabitant of the [[TheEmpire Imperium]] is this IN SPACE. They consider [[GodEmperor the Emperor to be a god]] and [[TheTheocracy the government to be his priesthood]], and mutation is the new "witchcraft", with mutant persecution widespread. What's more, the existence of the [[MachineWorship Mechanicus]] ensures that, while lasguns and starships are everywhere, nobody is actually qualified to build or repair them, and most believe that praying to them is what makes them work. This does vary a lot by depiction and planet, with the above description fitting the most flanderised versions or less advanced planets. The prayers and rites circulated by the Mechanicus are mostly actual, if ritualised instructions to maintain the equipment, and only the more prestigious tech is monopolized by the Priesthood of Mars. In a slightly lighter depiction, your typical Civilized World resident has an education on par with a modern first-world country.
116	* ''TabletopGame/WarhammerFantasy'': Peasants in the Empire and Bretonnia are seen as this by the nobles. Some of them are indeed this (whether through inbreeding, aristocratic oppression, or superstitions that lead to burning the state-approved wizard because they can't read his papers and don't want to bother finding someone who can). It doesn't help that in some areas, the smarter peasants know that getting the nobs involved in matters of justice only leads to more trouble for everyone involved, so they [[ObfuscatingStupidity Obfuscate Stupidity]], perpetuating the stereotype among aristocracy that peasants are clumsy oafs capable of accidentally stabbing themselves in the back with a scythe seventeen times.
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120	* The Orc and Human builder units in ''VideoGame/WarcraftIII'' are a shining example of this trope, if the lines they speak when clicked are any indication. The humans have a Cockney accent and occasionally quote the ''Monty Python'' peasants, while the orcs have a YouNoTakeCandle speech pattern. Given the cultures involved both believe heavily in advancement by merit (and face serious manpower shortages), it's possible that the only people who get jobs as laborers are the ones too incompetent to do anything else.
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124	* During the "[[StoryArc Storm Breaker Saga]]" from ''Webcomic/SluggyFreelance'' it's debatable whether this trope is in play, or if it's just another display of ''everyone'' in ''Sluggy Freelance'' being some sort of idiot.
125	* Defied in ''Webcomic/{{Godslave}}'' as Edith tries to explain mirrors and make-up to Anpu, who angrily retorts that yes, they did have those in Ancient Egypt. He does hide behind her when he sees water running from the tap, though.
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129	* ''WebAnimation/IfDisneyCartoonsWereHistoricallyAccurate'': All the residents of the fairy tale village are generally shown to be disgusting, backwards barbarians.
130	* Averting this trope is one of the major themes in ''Literature/TheLayOfPaulTwister''. All of the main characters seem to be of above-average intelligence, and the main difficulty they have in understanding the technological concepts Paul is familiar with is unfamiliarity with the basic concepts, not an inability to comprehend them.
131	* WebVideo/{{Whatifalthist}}: Rudyard often attacks, shreds, and destroys this trope.
132	** In some videos, like "How Does the West Work", he notes that many important features of Western Civilization, like property rights, the scientific method, individualism, and the limits on executive power came from the Middle Ages and are legacies of the Catholic Church.
133	** In other videos, he shows how ancient societies like Song China and Classical Greece came up with things like steam engines, computers, and iron mills. [[note]] The reason why these societies never developed industrialization is because of culture: ancient Greek society rejected technology as crass, while Song China's bureaucratic structure held back innovation and made it unprofitable[[/note]].
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137	* ''WesternAnimation/TimeSquad''. In one particular episode, they manage to quickly convince Copernicus to stop being a farmer and write about how the Earth moves around the sun. He promptly agrees and goes to research under the basis that "That sounds important!" only to be seen at the end of the episode running back to where the Squad had just gone, screaming, "Wait! I forgot to ask! WHAT IS THIS 'SUN'?!"
138	* Parodied in ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}''. Characters from TheFuture commonly refer to the 20th century as "The Stupid Ages." Leela even tells Fry that being a dropout of a 20th-century college is the equivalent of being a ''high-school'' drop-out in the 31st century, so Fry ends up enrolling in a college in order to drop out properly.
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142	* Nutritional deficiencies in the general population could lead to other forms of mental and physical disability, especially during times of famine and hitting pregnant women (and their unborn children) in particular; for example, during the Middle Ages in Europe, there was an epidemic of cretinism in parts of the Swiss Alps due to iodine deficiency, and, while the effects of both lead and alcohol poisoning were somewhat known at the time, the dangers of fresh water and the benefits of using lead were thought to outweigh them. All this could possibly have led to substantially lowered IQ and developmental disabilities.
143	* The effects of inbreeding weren't as well understood at the time, so it was more common. Peasants might live in small, isolated villages where it was just about impossible to find someone to marry who wasn't a cousin. [[RoyalInbreeding Nobles and royals]], on the other hand, would deliberately marry relatives with the idea of keeping power within the family or maintaining a "pure" bloodline. In both instances, this led to an increased risk in children with developmental problems and potentially reduced intellect.
144	* Leadership and occupation in medieval societies were much more dependent on random factors, like what family they were born into. In today's industrialized countries, people are generally able to seek qualifications and apply for jobs they are talented in and that follow their interests. Therefore, in the everyday working world, the people you run into with skilled positions are more likely to be competent and skilled. Although in some areas, as academic requirements in certain fields become more and more expensive to achieve, the ones able to attain said qualifications are likely to already belong to the upper classes. On the flip side of the coin, in a world where occupation is determined by parentage, many people were likely to be overqualified for their jobs. Peasants and nobles would have had about an equal share of stupid people and geniuses.
145	* In reality, this trope was largely averted in real life.
146	** Many castles are marvels of medieval engineering, the most opulent often feature complex water systems with running hot and cold water and pressurized fountains; surprisingly modern sewage disposal; heated floors; and advanced structural and military engineering techniques. Cathedrals also display feats of engineering like large stained glass windows in load-bearing walls, and vast open areas supported ''externally'' by flying buttresses.
147	** Monasteries carefully preserved and duplicated by hand the precious writings saved from the fall of Rome, with more scholarly monks often encouraged to devote their lives to the study and practice of philosophy, mathematics, engineering, and physics, or medicine. ''How The Irish Saved Civilization'' and ''How the Catholic Church Built Western Civillization'' are good intros to this.
148	** Evolving from monastic schools, higher education set foot in the Middle Ages through the university system, which focused on the studies of Liberal Arts Theology, Law, and Medicine. The oldest operating university in existence is the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_al-Qarawiyyin University of al-Qarawiyyin]] in Fez, Morocco since 859, and the oldest in Europe is the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Bologna University of Bologna]] in Italy since 1088.
149	** The UsefulNotes/ByzantineEmpire allowed its citizens great freedom, equality, and opportunity for education and advancement thanks to its first Empress, [[RagsToRoyalty who began life as a foreign-born commoner]] and ended life as half of a RulingCouple. It also preserved and expanded the Musaeum of Alexandria,[[note]]The library of Alexandria and several related universities and institutions[[/note]] and advanced science and engineering to surprising levels[[note]]Their military, for instance, deployed advanced weaponry like flamethrowers and ship-mounted ballistae. Constantinople had public sanitation and proper sewer and water systems. The Hagia Sophia was the largest freestanding domed structure on Earth until the construction of the ''Astrodome in the modern era''.[[/note]] before political decay and the encroachment of neighboring empires led to its own collapse.
150	** Even for the average European peasant, intelligence and ingenuity were valued - riddle contests were staples of the medieval fair, and windmills and waterwheels powered complex proto-factories for milling flour, forging metal, and processing timber.
151	** A lot of technology was developed in the Middle Ages, especially in the latter half. Some of the more noteworthy are mechanical clocks, the hourglass, three-crop rotation, vertical windmills, full plate armour, spectacles, and the printing press. Also, the world's first universities and modern chess were developed as well, both of which are not really considered the pastimes of morons.
152	** All of this combined results in some scholars viewing the Renaissance not as the end of the medieval period, but as the ''result'' of it.
153	* For centuries, Renaissance-era writings on the medieval era were considered gospel, enough so that most historians considered them greater authority than actual medieval-era manuscripts. This is where this trope and DungAges largely come from. However, today it's accepted that most Renaissance-era writers held a rather extreme biased against what's now known as the middle ages. For example, the idea of a "dark ages" was put forth where nothing of value was written, and [[ConfirmationBias Renaissance-era scholars dismissed any writing from this time as forgeries.]] In reality, a lot of the negative tropes associated with the Middle Ages were far more prevalent in the [[PsychologicalProjection Renaissance or even early Enlightenment.]] For example, people bathed far less in the Renaissance while corruption among the Church and nobility skyrocketed. Renaissance-era scholars just assumed that these things must have been far worse in the Middle Ages.
154	* The FlatWorld myth is a DeadUnicornTrope. No, medieval Europeans (at least the scholars) didn't think the Earth was flat. And no, they didn't think it was [[Film/MontyPythonAndTheHolyGrail banana-shaped]]. Europeans learned that the Earth was round during the time of UsefulNotes/AncientGreece and that knowledge was never lost. The idea that belief in a flat Earth was widespread during the Middle Ages appears to have been invented during the 19th century, for the purpose of giving a HistoricalHeroUpgrade to UsefulNotes/ChristopherColumbus and casting him as a proto-Enlightenment thinker who achieved glory by challenging medieval superstition. In reality, it was Columbus who made a huge error over the size of the Earth, claiming one could sail directly from Spain to India. His detractors (including clergy members) rightly said it was far larger and this couldn't be done [[note]]Columbus was RightForTheWrongReasons. His incorrect estimation came from observing driftwood coming from the west and washing down on the Canary Islands. He (correctly) deduced that a large landmass must have been relatively nearby, but he (incorrectly) assumed this must have been Japan, or Cipangu as it was known at the time. The maps of Eastern Asia that he had access to were also laughably inaccurate, but this was all he - or any European - had to work with.[[/note]]. His fleet almost ran out of food and the sailors had gotten to the edge of mutiny when they ran into the Americas. That other wiki has an [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth article]] about this specific issue.[[note]]TL;DR: The myth was started during the debate over biological evolution in the 19th century, were evolutionists attempted to portray this specific debate as an eternal struggle between religion and science.[[/note]]
155	* [[http://bestiary.ca/ Medieval Bestiaries]] listed mythical creatures such as dragons and unicorns, and claimed all sort of fanciful facts regarding real animals: [[http://bestiary.ca/beasts/beast78.htm lion]] cubs are born dead and stay this way for three days until a lion breathes on them and they come to life. If a [[http://bestiary.ca/beasts/beast180.htm wolf]] sees you first you lose your voice. [[http://bestiary.ca/beasts/beast77.htm Female elephants]] must give birth in water or a dragon will come and eat her baby. Hyenas can mate with lionesses to produce [[http://bestiary.ca/beasts/beast160.htm leucrotas]], which among other weird attributes have horse heads and deer hindquarters. [[http://bestiary.ca/beasts/beast257.htm Peacocks]] never fly because they are ashamed of their ugly feet. However, this isn't unique to the Middle Ages. Pliny the Elder's ''Natural History'' from the late Roman Empire has some very similar claims, including bizarre ones like saying no woman is left-handed. There is some debate on how seriously bestiaries were intended to be taken, since other medieval scientific manuscripts detailing far more correct observations about animals and plants have been found, but are not labeled as bestiaries. Bestiaries known were often owned by churches or the aristocracy and were often used to illustrate morality tales. It's entirely possible that the majority of the Bestiaries were intended to be works of fantasy at the time they were written.
156	* The origin of this trope comes from the [[DatedHistory now-discredited idea]] that the [[AristocratsAreEvil evil aristocrats]] took advantage of the chaos caused by the fall of Rome to subject more than 90% of the population to a cruel tyranny, and create a ScamReligion to prevent rebellions. So in the Enlightenment when this trope took hold, the medieval morons were interpreted as the ''[[UnbuiltTrope victims]]'' of a [[SocietyIsToBlame totalitarian society built on a lie]] that deserved to be replaced (and was considered to still exist unchanged in [[UsefulNotes/TsaristRussia Eastern Europe]]).
157	* It must be noted that, in Medieval Europe, literacy was measured by one's knowledge of Latin and this means that most people were indeed considered illiterate. They were, however, plenty capable of reading and writing ''in their own language''. This bears out in [[https://www.medievalists.net/2018/08/medieval-daily-life-birchbark/ surviving birchbark letters]], sent from peasant to peasant and gives us windows into their daily lives.
158	* Sometimes it is almost impossible or nearly impossible for a society at certain points in the past to have known what we know. The heliocentric solar system is an example. Medieval societies from the post-classical Roman Empire to England believed that the Earth was the centre of the solar system, but without data and empirical evidence developed in the Early Modern Era, it is extremely difficult to develop evidence for a Sun-centred solar system, especially if you don't believe that orbits have to be circular but can be elliptical which was an error that Ptolemy had made and was questioned by Islamic scholars. It is very difficult to explain why stars don't appear to move from the perspective of the human eye, and prove that the cause of any movement that even could be seen by later telescopes even was that the Earth moved rather than something like atmospheric haze. With telescopes and better mathematical methods, alternatives were proposed and given strong evidence in the 16th and 17th centuries and commonly accepted scientifically in Europe by the late 1600s and the early 1700s.
159	* The notion that political development was stunted and that governance in the medieval era consisted of nothing but superstitious kings who had absolute power is also untrue.
160	** The parliamentary system, credited to the Enlightenment, began in the medieval era. The Germanic warrior tribes organized themselves around pseudo-parliamentary bodies called "things" to decide on local issues. Iceland's parliament, the Althing, dates back to 930. Novgorod, in this era, was a Republic ruled over by a governing body known as a veche. While we associate the time period with absolute monarchy, the idea of a king having all the power [[NewerThanTheyThink only began in the 18th century]].
161	** In the 1530s, the anabaptist promoter John of Leiden set up what amounted to a socialist-millenarian kingdom in Munster. While this kingdom would fail and Leiden would suffer a violent death, it shows that even in this time period, people did promote ideologies and differing ideas about how to organize society.
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