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2[[caption-width-right:267:A helpful guide.[[note]]''Pervert vs. Artist'' by [[http://wilhelmstaehle.com/ Wilhelm Staehle]].[[/note]]]]
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6->''"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ['hard-core pornography']; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But '''I know it when I see it''', and the motion picture involved in this case is not that."''
7-->-- '''[[UsefulNotes/AmericanCourts U.S. Supreme Court]] Justice Potter Stewart''', concurring in ''Jacobellis v. Ohio'', commenting on ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lovers_(1958_film) Les Amants.]]'' [[note]]The quote would haunt Justice Stewart, as no one remembers that he consistently voted ''against'' censorship, including the very case from the quote. But then again, maybe Stewart was being serious about his ability to distinguish pornography; he was a young naval officer stationed in Casablanca during WWII, and one of his jobs as watch officer was to confiscate the locally-produced hardcore pornography his seamen ([[HehHehYouSaidX stop sniggering]]) tried to smuggle in.[[/note]]
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9Sure, it's got lots of naked people in suggestive poses on full display. But it's thoroughly artistic -- I swear! Therefore it can't be considered UsefulNotes/{{pornography}}, and it doesn't matter that it's [[PornStash hidden under my bed]].
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11Pornographic works carry a considerable stigma in the U.S. and ([[EuropeansAreKinky to a lesser extent]]) in other Western countries. As a result, the opposite trope is CorruptingPornography. However, a lot of classic works of art contain nudity (and, occasionally, sex acts). For this reason, legally a work of art is not considered pornographic under U.S. obscenity laws; what constitutes "artistic merit" is left somewhat vague.
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13One result is that fictional characters (and occasionally real people) will try to get away with reading, watching, or creating something that most people would consider pornographic by claiming that the item in question is really a "work of art". For teenage boys (the usual claimant) this [[CantGetAwayWithNuthin never works]]. Occasionally it's the "artist" making the claim, in which case he or she may or may not get away with it. Bonus points if he insists that the fault is in the [[FreudWasRight viewer, who has a dirty mind]].
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15In either case, the item in question will be something very few people would consider "artistic", unless the trope is being [[PlayingWithATrope played with]], particularly if the item in question [[InvertedTrope genuinely does]] possess artistic merit even if it ''is'' porn -- i.e., they're defending themselves from the belief that True Art is Clean. After all, who said that porn ''can't'' be art? This trope is something of an inversion of the standard idea of MoralGuardians, who are typically presumed wrong[[note]]"It's not art, it's porn"[[/note]] -- hence why MoralGuardians themselves often use this trope in works made by them (or works parodying them). NationalGeographicNudity follows on the same "these naked people are depicted solely for educational purposes" line, not just in the trope-naming magazine, but in other venues too (including an entire genre of magazine dedicated to nudism which was presumably educational to those interested in that subject matter ... but as with National Geographic served other purposes for other readers).
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17This trope ends up the subject of debate whenever a so-called mainstream film with unsimulated sexual acts is released (such films have turned up in cinemas since the 1960s but have become higher profile in the years since), or in the case of an increasing number of TV series and films, increased explicitness that stops just short of unsimulated. For some, the simple fact the film is being released in a venue other than an adult video store defines it as "not porn", or if a "notable director" or actors are involved. PornWithoutPlot is ''not'' a delineator as there are many porn films with storylines that go beyond "seducing the pizza delivery boy."
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19Compare IReadItForTheArticles. [[JustForFun/IThoughtItMeant No relation to]] ItsNotPornItsAnIndex.
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26* ''Manga/HanaKimi'': Inverted when [[WholesomeCrossdresser Mizuki]] buys an illustrated book that contains some nude photos. She doesn't want to show it to Sano, claiming she doesn't want him to look at porn, though in this case it really ''is'' art.
27* ''Boku no Pico'' and ''Maid Boy Kuro'': One of the biggest disclaimer regarding these infamous [[LoliconAndShotacon shotacon]] series. At the beginning of each OVA, a disclaimer appears, saying that they don't condone child pornography.
28* The {{hentai}} works of famed artist & mangaka Okama really blur the dichotomy between pornography and art, particularly his full-colour, impeccably drawn H manga ''Hanafuda''. Is it jerk-off material, or worthy of being included in a modern art museum? It doesn't help that there's actually a plot.
29* ''Manga/DontToyWithMeMissNagatoro'': Inverted with the Art Club's President, who often paints nude self-portraits, and Senpai insists that it ''is'' art. Nagatoro and her friends don't buy it, though.
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33* Sadly somewhat TruthInTelevision:
34** Many famous antique statues during the late Renaissance / Victorian age in Italy were altered to have leaves covering their genitals. The cast of ''Art/{{David}}'' at the South Kensington Museum (now the Victoria and Albert Museum), had a detachable plaster fig leaf, added for visits by Queen Victoria and other important ladies when it was hung on the figure using two strategically placed hooks; it is now displayed nearby.
35** In 2023, a middle school principal in Florida was [[https://www.npr.org/2023/03/27/1166079167/tallahassee-classical-michelangelo-david-principal-fired fired]] after a parent complained that an art teacher's use of ''Art/{{David}}'' in a sixth grade class constituted child endangerment due to its depiction of male nudity.
36** It gets a lot worse with classical depictions of fertility goddesses. Pretty much all of them are shown naked. Some were shown naked and masturbating. Some of the more noteworthy ones were depicted naked, masturbating, and staring directly at the viewer.
37* In his book ''Beauty: A Very Short Introduction'', Roger Scruton points out a key difference between pornography and art: the objectification of the human body. About Titian's ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_of_Urbino Venus of Urbino]]''--the painting Creator/MarkTwain called "the foulest, the vilest, the obscenest picture the world possesses"--he writes thusly:
38-->"As Kenneth Clark pointed out, in his celebrated study of the nude, the reclining Venus marks a break with antiquity, when the goddess was never shown in a horizontal position. The reclining nude shows the body not as a statue to be worshipped but as a woman to be desired. Even in the ''Venus of Urbino''--that most provocative of Titian's female nudes--the lady draws our eyes to her face, which tells us that this body is on offer only in the way that the woman herself is on offer, [[SingleWomanSeeksGoodMan to the lover who can honestly meet her gaze.]] To all others the body is out of bounds, being the intimate property of the face that looks out from it [...]. The face individualizes the body, possesses it in the name of freedom, and condemns every [[MaleGaze covetous glance]] as a violation. The Titian nude neither provokes nor excites, but retains a detached serenity--the serenity of a person, whose thoughts and desires are not ours but hers."
39* Being made by Romans doesn't mean it can't be porn. Archaeologists have discovered obscene wall-paintings in the ruins of Pompeii, on the walls of brothels. There also exists Greek vases which were decorated with pictures of people having sex. Since Greek vases often had pictures which demonstrated their contents on them, it's maybe best not to think too closely about that one... Greek "vases" were actually drinking vessels [[ButLiquorIsquicker so]] [[APartyAlsoKnownAsAnOrgy yeah]]...
40* UsefulNotes/TheHaysCode did not consider ancient, naked statues to be indecent, possibly for the reason of this very trope. The next time you're watching ''Film/CitizenKane'' (made during the height of the Code's power, in about 1940), look ''very'' closely (which is not hard to do, thanks to cinematographer Gregg Toland's deep-focus photography) at the scene in which Kane's lackeys are in a warehouse, sorting all his artistic treasures. The genitalia and pubic hair are not covered.
41* The live shows of performance artist ''Ann Liv Young'' feature a lot of nudity and live sex. They are also very ''very'' strange. http://www.revelinnewyork.com/videos/ann-liv-young
42* This is a common topic of discussion of Platform/DeviantArt. The webpage allows frontal nudity (since it is considered art) but nothing that seems porn/hentai (example: someone grabbing a naked woman's boob). This leads to some conflict, because some "artists" upload pictures or their model/girlfriend/themselves with their legs opened in a less-than-subtle way, [[note]]leading to phrases like "I am no gynecologist, so how come I am always looking at pussy here?"[[/note]] whereas more artistic drawings/photos are rejected because they show person-to-person contact.
43** This ''also'' gets discussed in cyclical fashion quite often on UsefulNotes/{{Fur|ryFandom}}affinity, where those who believe porn or anything designed to titillate/arouse ''has'' no artistic merit by its very nature, so that those who create porn or merely sexually-themed pictures and stories have to resort to this trope as a defense, unless they simply don't care what the MoralGuardians think of their work (and the argument that it is art never convinces them anyway).
44* By simply being old, pornography can lapse into art. Ancient pornographic material such as illustrated Kama Sutras and Japanese booklets are now on display in museums as historical artifacts.
45* Around the start of the Impressionist movement Edouard Manet's two paintings "[[Art/LeDejeunerSurLHerbe Luncheon In The Grass]]" and "Art/{{Olympia}}" were met with outrage from critics for placing nude women in an everyday setting. Apparently, nudity was okay as long as they were goddesses, nymphs, sprites, etc but real women nude in paintings was a big no-no (with the possible exception of paintings depicting nude models posing).
46** Quite a few artists from around the 19th century ran into this problem, it's possible that Thomas Eakins got into trouble for this (and a variety of other indiscretions). Sort of what happens when you get the right combination of prudery, the dawn of public art exhibitions, and artist not being dead enough to get away with nudes.
47* Likewise, photos of nude women were considered art during photography's heyday as a serious art form, as photography was a recent invention at the time and widely considered a luxury few could afford to maintain. In particular, posing prepubescent girls for nude photos was in vogue when [[Creator/LewisCarroll a certain well-known mathematician and writer of nonsense children's literature]] decided to get in on the photography craze. Unfortunately, ValuesDissonance and a lack of cultural context led some independent biographers to believe he had an unhealthy interest in young girls.
48* An interesting case of this in action is the photographer [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hamilton_(photographer) David Hamilton]] (1933-2016). Because of his impeccable ''artiste'' pedigree (and perhaps also because he did most of his work in France in the Sixties and Seventies, where they are more forgiving of this sort of thing), his photographs of nude pubescent girls in erotic poses are considered art and not soft-core child pornography (the UK have tried, and failed, to convict owners of the book for possession of child pornography). Although the revelation after his suicide that he also raped many of his models have turned public opinion (if not the law) against him.
49* A peculiar inversion occurred in the case of the "Coppertone Girl" print ad for suntan lotion. The ad's painter, Joyce Ballantyne Brand, was trained as a professional artist and thought of the Coppertone scene as [[MoneyDearBoy just another commission she had to do]]. [[MagnumOpusDissonance She never expected it to become the most famous image she ever created]] (and, for that matter, ''was'' aware of the painting's possible UnfortunateImplications), and so would quickly become annoyed whenever ''anyone'' interviewing her would bring up "Coppertone Girl" as if it was her masterpiece. (The same was true of Brand's daughter, the original model for the girl, who [[NeverHeardThatOneBefore got sick and tired of people wanting to see if her butt really was that pasty white]].)
50* Hex signs that include sexual images, such as [[https://web.archive.org/web/20150516080102/http://www.zaubereigarten.com/betweenthesheets.htm O. Henrietta and Hunter Yoder's hex series "Between The Sheets"]], which was criticized by the traditional Hex Art community as being "overly Liberal", especially the pieces with pro-feminism themes.
51* ''Art/GrandeOdalisque'' drew up a lot of controversy in the fact that the nude figure is looking straight at the viewer, giving the nudity a lack of the sacred detachment foreign and mythological nudes had.
52* ''Art/TheNudeMaja'': Much of its controversy stems from how sexualized it was. She is a [[OurNudityIsDifferent nude human woman without the pretense of mythology]] who stares right at the viewer, the presence of pubic hair commonly associated with prostitutes.
53* ''Art/TheReturnOfSpring'' was considered too much even by French-art standards, two attempts at the painting's destruction in 1890 and 1976 by MoralGuardians for how sexual it was.
54* ''Art/SleepingVenusGiorgione'': The pose depicts Venus in a sensual nature, however, the fact that she appears to be sleeping suggests she is not overtly sexual, as she is not arranging herself for the MaleGaze.
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58* ''Franchise/TheDCU'': When ComicBook/GreenLantern Kyle Rayner and ComicBook/WonderGirl Donna Troy broke up, it was for a variety of different reasons. But the thing that kicked it off was Donna Troy walking in on Kyle sketching a topless woman in his apartment and not appreciating his defense of, "But I'm an artist! It's what I do!" Donna came off especially {{hypocrit|e}}ical because she works as a photographer who often took pictures of the ''very'' scantily-clad ComicBook/{{Starfire}} for her portfolio. Apparently, if it's a photograph it's art and is all well and good, but if it's drawn it's just smut.
59* The issue is discussed in ''Guarding the Globe'', where the Guardians of the Globe attend teammate (and professional photographer) Bulletproof's gallery opening. The pictures are all of a naked woman, and Bulletproof is having sex with her in some of them. Outrun, who is established in later issues to be a sex maniac, ends up buying one of them for her ''personal'' enjoyment at home
60* In ''ComicBook/StrangersInParadise'', Francine discovers that some of Katchoo's art are nudes calls them obscene. At that, Katchoo blows up herself, roaring "Don't you ''ever'' call my art obscene!"
61* Creator/AlanMoore's ''Lost Girls''. A graphic novel series done in watercolours about [[Literature/AliceInWonderland Alice]], [[Literature/PeterPan Wendy]], and [[Literature/TheWonderfulWizardOfOz Dorothy]] meeting each other as grown women... and the [[SlashFic copious amounts of raunchy sex]] they have, with [[GirlOnGirlIsHot each other]], with many people in their youth (the framing device is all the "fairy tales" are actually the girl's first/continuing encounters with sex, with references as to how sex acts became story points) and various [[DepravedBisexual other guests]] at the hotel they happen to find themselves at. It is rigorously defended as "high art" by almost all critics, has fairly good standing amongst the literature circles, despite the vast amounts of sexual depravity and indulgence; [[InvertedTrope and Moore will swear up and down they are all idiots and]] ''[[InvertedTrope Lost Girls]]'' [[InvertedTrope is nothing but porn.]] Well-drawn and well-written porn, maybe, but still ''porn''.
62* In the ''ComicBook/SpiderManNoir'' ''Edge of Comicbook/SpiderVerse'' story, Aunt May is not impressed by Creator/SalvadorDali.
63-->'''May''': Mr. Dali may put a lobster on a naked woman's head and call it art, but he doesn't fool me. The man is running a burlesque show.
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67* A one-panel-strip by Creator/{{Quino}} showed a woman being disgusted by her husband nailing an enormous poster of ''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_maja_desnuda La Maja Desnuda]]'' in their bedroom.
68-->'''Man''': But darling... [[Creator/FranciscoDeGoya Goya]]!
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72* ''Fanfic/EmpathTheLuckiestSmurf'':
73** In the story "I Dream Of Smurfette", Painter does so many pictures of Smurfette after experiencing "[[NocturnalEmission the Smurfette dream]]", which leads to this conversation with Poet.
74--->'''Painter:''' With all these pictures, I don't know if I'm truly being an artist or just smurfing in ''pornographia'', Poet.\
75'''Poet:''' I don't even know what ''pornographia'' is, but I'd be very careful smurfing these pictures to any Smurf if I were you, Painter.
76** In the story "Smurfed Behind: The Other Side Of The Mirror", the MirrorUniverse versions of Poet and Painter are both arguing about their equally lurid works of art, with Poet telling Painter, "What I smurf is true art. What you smurf all day is what I call ''[[PunctuatedForEmphasis por-no-gra-phi-a]]''."
77* In the ''Fanfic/HeroTheGuardianSmurf'' mini-story "Smurfette's Artistry", Smurfette creates a nude painting of Hero while Hero was at the time married to Wonder. Both Hero and Wonder consider it a work of art, but when Smurfette is alone with her painting, [[IllBeInMyBunk she takes it with her into her bedroom and stays there for a while with it.]]
78* The ''WesternAnimation/Frozen2013'' fanfic ''Fanfic/FrozenWight'' has a peddler who tries to use this to justify some illicit paintings of Anna and Elsa.
79* ''Fanfic/RiseOfTheMinisukas'': Kyoko has taken to writing fantasy novels while being stuck in Unit-02. Somewhat erotic fantasy novels. She defends her writing choices to Enigma in this manner.
80-->'''Kyoko:''' ''"They are not porn! They just contain tasteful depictions of lovemaking between characters in love! Is that so wrong?!"''\
81'''Enigma:''' ''"Right or wrong doesn't matter when the first twenty pages of a book contains two dragons doing the horizontal limbo!"''
82* The ''Series/AdamAdamantLives'' fic "[[http://archiveofourown.org/works/8188930 All in the Best Possible Taste]]" has Georgie modelling for a photography book (an ActorAllusion to Juliet Harmer appearing in such a book). Simms composes one of his limericks on the subject:
83-->"It's the latest must-have for the smart,\
84"Girlie pictures that show every part.\
85"The righteous tut,\
86"And say that it's smut,\
87"But at that price — it's got to be art."
88* In ''Fanfic/YourFatherAndMine'', three of America's daughters are visiting an European museum and are horrified by all the pornography there. France and Spain are thoroughly nonplussed in front of their insistence to call paintings of nudes sexual.
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92* The film in ''Jacobellis'' is ''Film/TheLovers'', a French film about a bored wife, her workaholic newspaperman husband, her ennui-laden friends, a dinner party, a sensitive young archaeologist, and...well...[[LeFilmArtistique you can see how Stewart might have concluded that this movie isn't hardcore porn]]. Seriously, the sex is hardly there.
93* A number of old "white-coaters" such as ''Film/{{Man and Wife|1969}}'' (1969) cross this trope with NationalGeographicNudity in an "It's not porn, it's a marital manual!" way. Indeed, this particular example has nothing but some screen-crawls at the beginning explaining the alleged educational necessity of the movie, an alleged doctor giving a long lecture on the need for husbands and wives to educate themselves in how to satisfy each other, and then a long series of shots of allegedly married couples having sex in various positions with a voice-over explaining some of the alleged benefits and drawbacks of each position. Considering how vanilla this all is, you might just end up taking the movie's claim to be strictly educational at face value after all.
94* High school students in the third ''Film/{{Porkys}}'' attempt this on the Principal when caught misusing the Audio-Visual Club's equipment to view a stag film. They insist the film cannot be judged without viewing it in its entirety. While the gym teacher isn't buying it one bit, the principal is more than eager to screen it.
95* ''[[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076749/ Spielen wir Liebe]]'', possibly the most controversial film of all time, features full frontal nudity and simulated sex between underage participants. The boy and the two girls featured were fourteen and twelve respectively when they made this film. Its defenders have tried--unsuccessfully--to make this argument with the courts in Germany and the Netherlands, where it is now banned as child pornography and the company that released it on DVD has been forced to recall every copy it could. (This has not stopped rips of it--for better or for worse--from remaining available on the Internet.)
96* In ''Film/ThrowMommaFromTheTrain'', Billy Crystal plays a creative writing professor whose students have the barest concept of stringing a sentence together in the first place. During class, they critique a man's work entitled "100 Girls I'd Like to Pork" (literally just a list with accompanying pictures and no story at all) which the "author" declares to be a coffee table book. "This isn't literature!" argues Billy Crystal, to which the guy says something like "Well, it's a fantasy, like Melville, and this is my white whale." Another classmate declares it "very brave." Humorously, in the second-to-last scene when Billy Crystal's character is just about to finish his novel, you can see that same student's book in printed form on the desk. The title was changed and sounds very artistic, and has a colorful, almost mythological in tone cover illustration. You might not even notice it without the passing remark [=DeVito's=] character makes, which just makes it even funnier.
97%%* ''Film/TheBigLebowski'': "I deal in publishing. Entertainment." "So which one is ''Logjammin'''?"
98* Mark is an art dealer in ''Film/LoveActually'', whose gallery showcased a series of Christmas themed nudes. He said the trope name to a bunch of school girls giggling at the photograph of nude carolers. What was funnier is that a deleted scene showed Mark’s first comment when he opened the pictures:
99-->'''Mark:''' Oh God. Oh God, it's porn. It's just porn! We'll be raided by the porn squad. I'm going to porn prison.
100* ''Film/{{Nightwatching}}'' is allegedly about Creator/{{Rembrandt|VanRijn}}'s angst whilst painting his most famous work. Being a painter, this manifests as an awful lot of sex, drinking, sex, swearing, and sex. And sitting around naked.
101* Happened a lot in Bravo's RealityShow ''Work of Art'', about finding the next great artist. Taken to new heights when one contestant actually came on his artwork (the piece was about the time when he came at a Disney movie).
102* In the 1970s, there was a deliberate movement to create 'Art Porn' films, the most famous of which was ''Literature/TheStoryOfO''.
103* During one of the bar scenes in ''Film/KillingSpree'', a man can be heard telling a woman, "No, no, no, no, baby. Like I told you, it's not a porno movie, it's an art film!"
104* ''Film/MyLifeAsADog'': At the glassworks factory, an artist makes glass vases with breasts on them, prompting some complaints from his fellow workers. The artist also makes nude statues of women; others still raise their eyebrows at him because despite having artistic merit, the statues are twenty-foot tall structures. Ingemar gets caught peeping on the nude model being sketched by the artist when the glass window he's spying through shatters.
105* PlayedForLaughs in ''Film/TheNiceGuys'', set during TheSeventies. The adult film industry has a prominent role in the movie, but Amelia keeps insisting that the film she has done is not porn, even though there's nudity in it. Even the [[MacGuffin film reel central to the plot]] is stated as being just a means to show the corruption in Detroit. So what if it features a well-known porn star (excuse me, porn ''[[InsistentTerminology young lady]]'') getting naked and having sex?
106* In ''Film/MrsHendersonPresents'', Mrs. Henderson takes advantage of a loophole in the British law which meant that it was legal to have nudes on stage so long as they did not move, by posing naked ladies on the stage in 'artistic tableaux'.
107* Surprisingly averted in ''Film/ThePeopleVsLarryFlynt'', which is all about pornographer Larry Flynt's legal struggles over ''Hustler'' magazine and the various pornographic, scatological and generally obscene content it produced. At no point does anyone even try to pretend that what Flynt does is in any way artistic; the central debate is basically whether the First Amendment and the rights to freedom of speech it guarantees should allow him to continue to publish it.
108* It qualifies as art almost by definition if it ran on ARTE, the German/French cultural TV station. Random exhibit A, running the day before this entry was made: Mexican indie film "La región salvaje". Won any Fantasy award from here to Mars...and showed about any sexual pairing, hetero, homo, and also [[NaughtyTentacles stuff rarely seen outside Japan.]]
109* Peter Ustinov's character in ''Film/{{Topkapi}}'' lost his British citizenship for smuggling obscene materials, but he tells everyone that he was just transporting ''literature'' that had originally been banned for obscenity, like ''Literature/{{Ulysses}}'' and ''Literature/LadyChatterleysLover''.
110* In ''Film/CityLights'', the Tramp sees a nude statue in a storefront window. To avoid looking like he is ogling it on the street, the Tramp takes the pose of an art connoisseur examining it for purely its aesthetic value.
111* The American film distribution company Vinegar Syndrome argued that while they were indeed established to restore and distribute X-rated media, they emphasized that they are not a part of the pornographic industry, stating: "We are film archivists who happen to focus on preserving sex films" and that they curate and restore those they deem to "provide value" rather than the run-of-the-mill DVD one can find off a sex shop.
112* In ''Film/EyesOfLauraMars'', the protagonist is a successful photographer whose work focuses on scenes of sexualized violence, often including nude women. Her detractors accuse her of degrading women, but she says that this kind of violence is everywhere, and she just wants people to see it.
113* Parodied in ''Film/CasinoRoyale1967''. The art collection that Le Chiffre is auctioning actually consists of blackmail photographs of VIP's in compromising positions.
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117* Creator/CSLewis' allegory "Literature/ThePilgrimsRegress". The singer in question is Mr. Phally, who is squeezed in between [[TrueArtIsAngsty Victoriana]] and [[TrueArtIsIncomprehensible Glugly]].
118* ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'':
119** Discussed in the novel ''Literature/{{Thud}}'' -- it's noted that the {{Stripperiffic}} clothing of exotic dancers is logically more obscene than "great art" showing completely naked women, on the account of (according to Sergeant Colon) the dancers having "No urns", or Plinths, or cupids in their presence.
120** And again in ''Literature/{{Wintersmith}}'', although when Nanny Ogg says the presence of cupids shows it's Art, and not just women with no clothes on, Granny Weatherwax sniffs, "Well, they're not foolin' ''me''."
121** When Commander Vimes visits his wife's estate in ''Literature/{{Snuff}}'', he finds that her ancestors bought nude statuary. He reflexively checks that the statues are holding fruit, as "holding fruit" makes it art. Later on, he regrets that the master bathroom has been decorated in... meticulously detailed scenes of nude frolicking with no fruit or urns to be seen.
122** The Ankh-Morpork Fine Art Society -hem, hem-, in ''Literature/GuardsGuards'' is, in a similar manner to the page image, dedicated to the painting of the female form, or at least to having an easel in front of you while you look at it.
123* [[CampGay Guy Blod]], a sculptor in ''Literature/LeftBehind'', decides an appropriate memorial for the late Antichrist would be an enormous, highly-detailed metal nude. He reacts this way to "Tribulation Saints" who find the statue unsettling. (No one else cares -- by this point in the series, all television is either porn or {{Gorn}}. Even the news.)
124* Used as an excuse by the AntiHero in Eric Ambler's novel ''Literature/TheLightOfDay''. At one point in his life, he published illegal pornography of no literary value in several European countries and got prosecuted for it. When questioned about this by the Turkish police, he engages in sophistry and references the previous banning of works like ''Literature/LadyChatterleysLover'' (which had just been allowed to be published in England at the time Ambler's novel was written).
125* ''Literature/{{Gate}}'': Princess Piña Colada and her subordinate Bozes become very enthusiastic about acquiring Japanese "Fine Art" after encountering YaoiGenre manga.
126* In Creator/KurtVonnegut's ''Literature/GodBlessYouMrRosewater'', conservative Senator Rosewater is quite proud that he created a law that defines what is obscene and not art. If you can see pubic hair, it's pornography. (Note that this was before the modern custom of porn stars [[LoopholeAbuse shaving off their pubic hair]]).
127** Also, one annoying character in his ''Literature/SlaughterhouseFive'' was showing to his squadmate what was described as "a print of the first dirty photograph in history". Allegedly, the author of the original photograph (an assistant to Louis Daguerre), when confronted by the authorities, resorted to the "It's art" defence.
128-->"Le Fèvre argued that the picture was fine art, and that his intention was to make Greek mythology come alive. He said that columns and the potted palm proved that. When asked which myth he meant to represent Le Fèvre replied that there were [[SadlyMythtaken thousands of myths like that]], with [[BestialityIsDepraved the woman a mortal and the pony a god]]. He was sentenced to six months in prison. He died there of pneumonia. [[ArcWords So it goes]]."
129* In ''Literature/{{Haganai}}'', Sena is caught playing an BlandNameProduct [[HGame eroge]] called ''Literature/{{The Sacred Bla|cksmith}}ckstar''. She insists that the game's H-scenes are beautiful and artful, so Yozora makes her read the dialogue of the last scene, some GladToBeAliveSex, out loud. Naturally, it turns out to be ''extremely'' raunchy, much to Sena's embarrassment.
130* Mocked in Creator/DaveBarry's column "Well Endowed":
131-->'''Prosecutor:''' So, Professor Weemer, you're saying that this video depicts an ecology theme?\
132'''Witness:''' Yes. The woman displays a LOT of affection for the zucchini.
133* Henry Miller was irritated by both the people who [[MoralGuardians hated his books as porn]], and the people who loved them as porn. His own argument was that sex is an important part of life and he didn't want to leave it out any more than he'd leave out anything else important.
134* Creator/WilliamSBurroughs makes a sly nod to this trope in his book ''Literature/NakedLunch'' (which was itself on trial for being pornographic, but later found to have redeeming merit) with the character of The Great Slashtubitch, an "impresario of blue movies and short-wave TV" who takes pornography ''very'' seriously as an art form. Disgusted by "counterfeit orgasm", he thinks it takes "sincerity and art, and devotion" for actors to work in his films in lieu of "shoddy trickery" like "dubbed gasps, rubber turds and vials of milk concealed in the ear and shots of yohimbine [an aphrodisiac] sneaked in the wings". Slashtubitch appears again in Burroughs' later book ''Literature/TheWildBoys'', spelled Slastobitch and elaborates upon his position.
135--> '''Slastobitch:''' The new look in blue movies stresses story and character. This is the space age and sex movies must express the longing to escape from flesh through sex. The way in is the way through . . . The scene where Johnny has crabs and mark makes him undress . . . Who are these boys? Where will they go? They will become astronauts playing the part of the American married idiots until the moment they take off on a Gemini expedition bound for Mars disconnect and lave the earth behind forever . . .
136* Creator/UmbertoEco wrote [[http://non-compos-mentis.blogspot.com/2006/11/umberto-eco-how-to-recognize-porn-movie.html an essay]] in the '80s about how to tell films with artistic value from porn. He argued that porn movies always contain a lot of {{padding}} before sex scenes to titillate the audience.
137* PlayedForLaughs in Creator/SpikeMilligan's ''[[Literature/AdolfHitlerMyPartInHisDownfall Rommel, Gunner Who]]'' ImagineSpot:
138-->'I lit the oil lamp. Now! Where were me old pornographic photographs...("It's all lies officer! [[BlatantLies I bought them as art studies]], I am a keen art student of twenty-one" etc.)'
139* Along the lines of the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' ruminations, in ''Literature/BestServedCold'', there is a passage in which the AntiHero Monza (who lives in a Renaissance Italian FantasyCounterpartCulture) sees a piece of art that makes her question the distinction: "There was a huge canvas in a gleaming frame on one wall-a woman with an improbable bosom bathing in a stream, and seeming to enjoy it a lot more than was likely. Monza never had understood why getting out a tit or two made for a better painting. But {{painters}} seemed to think it did, so tits is what you got."
140* Inverted in one of A.P. Herbert's ''Literature/MisleadingCasesInTheCommonLaw'', the Classics master of an exclusive BoardingSchool is charged with not only possession of lewd books (i.e. all those stories about pagan gods lying with maidens in the form of animals), but sharing them with minors.
141* Invoked in-universe in Creator/HBeamPiper's novel ''Literature/UllerUprising''. The Terrans [[OhCrap realize]] that some of the native rebels had an opportunity to learn about nuclear weapons while employed as laborers on a DeathWorld where nukes were used in mining. They start desperately searching for the detailed information they need to build their own nukes first to put down the rebellion. They find it in some appendices attached to a [[RomanceNovel trashy novel]] set during UsefulNotes/WorldWarTwo, where they were included by an author who wanted her work to be seen as serious historical fiction rather than smut.
142* ''Literature/OneThousandAndOneMoviesYouMustSeeBeforeYouDie'' contains a list of [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin 1001 movies the author considers must-see movies]], with each entry accompanied by a short essay explaining why. The introduction notes that the book aims to include the entire panorama of film history, with films from all eras, regions, and genres. However, pornographic films are conspicuously absent (even though there are some pornographic films that could be argued to be important in film history i.e. Andy Warhol's ''Blue Movie''), and the entry for ''Film/InTheRealmOfTheSenses'' (an erotic arthouse film with unsimulated sex scenes including a man pushes an egg into a woman's vulva, forcing her to push it out before eating it) explicitly refers to it as a non-pornographic film.
143* ''Literature/{{Oreimo}}'': Kirino insists that a bishoujo figurine of her favorite series is high art, but Kuroneko replies that art does not need a clothes-off feature.
144* In the first novel British agent Literature/{{Quiller}} goes on a long rant on the subject while tied up with nothing to look at but a painting of a nude woman that happens to be in the room.
145-->It was no good thinking in terms of taste. She was there for raping. They might as well have hung a whore on the wall. There was no signature, but the painter had been a German, a true-blue Prussian-born hypocritical bloody Aryan. You portray the face as symbolising purity--the flawless skin, the innocent gaze, the little girl look--and then you go to town on the tits and pussy, symbolising carnality until it moans. Result: you have a picture you can give to your own mother-in-law for hanging in the needle-room, and she'll always think you've come to admire her ''petit-point''.
146* ''Literature/TheMermaid'': Amelia, the titular mermaid, doesn't understand how humans can think their bodies are obscene when so much of their art depicts naked people, but Levi tells her, "They were Greek and Roman and that was all right for them."
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150* In a ''Series/ThirdRockFromTheSun'' episode, Dick struggled to differentiate art and smut:
151-->'''Dick:''' She's nakeder than they are; why is this for aesthetic appreciation and this for arousal?\
152'''Mrs. Dubcek:''' Well, this is Michelangelo, while this is... Michael ''and'' Angelo.
153* ''Series/ThirtyRock'': in the episode "Cougars", Frank's poorly rendered painting of a mermaid had to have the breasts covered for Standards, yet the outside of 30 Rockefeller Center is covered with carvings of topless women which are shown every week in the title sequence.
154* ''Series/{{Blackadder}}''
155** In the final season three episode, Edmund mentions (among a few other things he's extorting out of the Prince) the "highly artistic but also highly illegal set of French lithographs". He describes them as a "sack of French porn" about thirty seconds later, so whether they're porn, artistic or they fall into that grey area in the middle is left up to the viewer.
156** From the second series episode "Money", the compromising paintings of The Bishop of Bath & Wells could potentially form the basis of an exhibition of challenging young artists.
157** Also from season three, the actors Kendrick and Mossop claim that ''The Bloody Murder of the Foul Prince Romero and his Enormously-Bosomed Wife'' is a philosophical work, and the vastness of the bosom is justified by the text, as is [[{{Gorn}} the bloodiness of the murder]].
158* ''Series/BostonLegal'' has a university professor accused of soliciting prostitution under the guise of "research". He had made a video of himself with the prostitute that the prosecution is going to use as evidence. But, taking advantage of the odd American legal rule, his own lawyers argue that he actually ''was'' creating pornography and was therefore protected under the First Amendment. If it's porn, it's not prostitution and therefore not a crime!
159* ''Series/{{Coupling}}'': "Inferno". While the video in question was undoubtedly pornographic (its full name was ''Lesbian Spank Inferno''), Steve tries to present it as [[FauxSymbolism a feminist art movie with underlying social critique]]. An inversion occurs immediately afterward. When he [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKGK2fplV_w fails to convince the others]] of this angle, he starts to rant that it doesn't matter, since [[TheRuleOfFirstAdopters every invention and scientific progress (including fire, the printing press, and the Internet) had only one purpose]]: to enable men to see naked female bottoms.
160* Played for laughs in ''Series/ChappellesShow'', when Dave becomes [[Series/TheOprahWinfreyShow Oprah Winfrey]]'s "baby's daddy." Oprah doesn't bat an eye when she sees him painting a portrait with a gorgeous nude model, but after she leaves we see that he's just painting a big-boobed stick figure on the canvas.
161* ''Series/DoctorWho''. In "Deep Breath", Madame Vastra is supposedly painting her girlfriend Jenny, who's in a low-cut dress and in a pose that displays a fair amount of cleavage. It's then revealed that Vastra is actually working on a pinboard charting the recent cases of SpontaneousHumanCombustion. Jenny is not amused and demands to know why she's posing. Vastra lamely tries to excuse it as "art".
162* ''Series/HouseOfTheDragon'': In the third episode scene where Alicent Hightower and her father Otto have a conversation, the walls of the Red Keep behind them show art depicting orgies.
163* In ''Series/TheOfficeUS'', Ryan attempts to pass off his amateur black-and-white photos as "artistic"; one is a topless photo of his ex(?)-girlfriend Kelly, which Ryan says is about "exposure in the workplace". In a deleted scene, Stanley says this when his coworkers catch him looking at Hentai.
164* Inverted out-of-universe in the DVD commentary of the ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' episode "Once More With Feeling," an episode [[ScrewedByTheNetwork nominated]] for an Emmy. The Writer/Director's Commentary literally stated "This is basically... porn," when discussing the lyrics to a certain song.
165--> ''"You make me com...plete."''
166** And this happens while the singer is floating in the air on her back and her girlfriend has just disappeared out of frame.
167* On ''Series/ThreesCompany'', Jack answers an ad for a modeling job, only to find out that the photographer wants him to pose naked for a Playboy-esque magazine. But he insists on calling it "nude."
168-->'''Jack:''' What's the difference?
169-->'''Photographer:''' "Naked" is dirty. "Nude" is art.
170* From an episode of ''Series/{{Bottom}}'', as Eddie tries to defend his purchase of an old porn magazine as an 'investment' by comparing it to the Art/SistineChapel.
171-->'''Richie''': It doesn't matter how you art it up, Eddie, it's still a... "jazz mag".
172-->'''Eddie''': That's what they said to Creator/{{Michelangelo|Buonarroti}} about the Sistine Chapel!
173-->'''Richie''': No it's not! The Sistine Chapel is art. If they said anything they would have said "Blimey! Nice painting Mr. Angelo. Now that's what I call art, and it's not porny at all!"
174-->'''Eddie''': It bloody well ''is'' dirty you know. There's those three birds on the top of the third pillar from the left with the blue ribbon. Corr -- some of the things they're doing would make your nose bleed!
175** It's later revealed that porn or art, Richie uses both for the same purpose.
176* Happened a lot in Bravo's RealityShow ''Work of Art'', about finding the next great artist. Taken to new heights when one contestant actually came on his artwork (the piece was about the time when he came to a Disney movie).
177* This is basically the entire plot of the ''Series/ParksAndRecreation'' episode, "Jerry's Painting." The Justice Stewart quote is cited in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWQIw95pq4M this scene]].
178* In ''Series/PartyDown'', actor Steve Guttenberg owns a painting of an erect nude man holding a porcupine. The profound artistic value of the artwork is summed up by the following statement: "He wants to have sex with the porcupine. But he can't."
179* In ''Series/HowIMetYourMother'' episode "Home Wreckers", Ted's new stepfather Clint gives Ted a graphic painting of Ted's mother hugging Clint (who is holding a [[SceneryCensor guitar]]) while both are naked. Narrator!Ted comments, "There was no guitar."
180* The "Marie's Sculpture" episode of ''Series/EverybodyLovesRaymond'', in which Marie Barone's energies are diverted into an art and sculpture class. Everyone relaxes. Until she comes home with an abstract statue full of pleasing curves and visual symmetries which looks, at first glance, like an unfolding flower. But at ''second'' glance it looks like the female genitals. Once this association is made, the wider Barone family find it hard ''not'' to see... [[note]]Still not seen in Great Britain and omitted from series re-runs because of the graphic sculpture prominently placed in full view[[/note]]
181* Inverted in a ''Series/LawAndOrderSpecialVictimsUnit'' episode, where Fin utterly shuts down this defense to a book describing the show's version of ''Literature/FiftyShadesOfGrey'', claiming that, no matter how many degrees the author might have, "porn is porn". Most characters disagree, however, and treat the book as a legitimate work of literature.
182* In a flashback, ''Series/{{Community}}'''s [[AmoralAttorney Jeff Winger]] used this trope to get his client, a stripper, acquitted of tax evasion by calling her work "non-profit performance art".
183* ''Series/ThePartridgeFamily'': In "My Heart Belongs to a Two-Car Garage," a traveling Russian handyman who claims to be a celebrated artist paints a huge, mostly-naked woman on the family's garage, causing an uproar in the neighborhood. In the end, a man from the local art museum sees the painting, declares it a masterpiece, and has the front of the garage transported to the museum.
184-->'''Chris''': Mom, how come I can look at the garage here and I couldn't at home?\
185'''Shirley''': Well, because now it's a work of art.\
186'''Tracy''': Why wasn't it a work of art at home?\
187'''Shirley''': Well, then we didn't know it was a work of art.\
188'''Laurie''': And sometimes we don't know if something's good until someone tells us.
189* In ''Series/{{Seinfeld}}'', George tries unconvincingly to explain to Susan that the movie "Rochelle, Rochelle", which is about a girl's "erotic journey from Milan to Minsk", is actually a work of art, really more a "film" than a movie. (Susan's expression says it all.)
190* An episode of ''Series/{{Hoarders}}'' had a man who obsessively painted nude female figures, usually in sexually suggestive poses, and then hoarded them.
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194* The Music/DeadKennedys included a print of Creator/HRGiger's painting "Penis Landscape" (which depicted a wall of penises entering a wall of vaginas) with their landmark album ''Music/{{Frankenchrist}}''. Members of the band were charged with Distributing Harmful Matter to Minors based on this, and though the case did not result in a conviction (the painting was, finally, ruled "art" and not "porn"), the band's Creator/AlternativeTentacles record label was driven almost to bankruptcy because of trial costs.
195* Music/GIdle: "Nxde" is about cultural attitudes around nudity. It argues for the artistic value of nudity and that it should not be seen as obscene, pointing out the DoubleStandard in attitudes toward "obscene" nudity and "natural" or "artistic" nudity.
196-->Why you think that 'bout nude\
197'Cause your view's so rude\
198Think outside the box\
199까고 말해 (Speak out)\
200아리따운 나의 누드 (My beautiful self) (x2)\
201I'm born nude\
202변태는 너야 (You've got a dirty mind)
203* In Music/GeorgeMichael's "I Want Your Sex (Part 1)", George asks, "What's your definition of dirty, baby? What do you consider pornography?"
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207* In ''Radio/TheGoonShow'', Major Bloodnok would regularly be involved in the illegal distribution of "photographs for Art Lovers" which would, at the very least be concealed within a brown paper bag.
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211* This is how the nude revues at the Windmill Theatre in London came about. The Lord Chamberlain, at that time the national censor, was forced to rule that since naked statues were allowed on public display, naked women could appear on stage as long as they didn't move. If they moved, they were obviously not statues, and therefore, "rude".
212* Anything more than a hundred years old is art, despite the fact [[RestorationComedy Restoration]] and Regency plays were quite risqué. A parody from around the same time as the Windmill ends with the cast singing:
213-->Sing "la!" for the classical play!
214-->With plenty of smut,
215-->And not a line cut,
216-->And no entertainment tax to pay.
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220* ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoViceCity''. This is mentioned in the cutscene for the first porn studio mission. After walking onto the set and before revealing he's the new boss, Tommy starts yelling at director Steve Scott about the various props on the set.
221--> '''Tommy''': Why'd you get into this business, ya prick? Huh? For the pussy, that's why. What is this?
222--> '''Scott''': This is my art.
223** Then as it cuts back into the gameplay, Tommy says "What's that guy think this is? Some free art crap? Jeez, like anyone ever watched movies about fish."
224** Played with in ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoIVTheBalladOfGayTony''. When Luis teases Gay Tony about the phallic statues in his apartment, he quotes the trope title verbatim.
225* ''VideoGame/{{Turgor}}'' (known to English-speakers as ''The Void''). Even though you spend a large amount of the game watching nude women seductively posing for you, the majority of critics thought saw it as a serious piece of art, and thought the {{Fanservice}} actually [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools served a thematic purpose]]. It could be that the nudity is just as prominent, or that the gameplay requires [[NintendoHard patience and careful planning]], or just the fact that true art is offensive, [[TrueArtIsIncomprehensible incomprehensible]], and foreign, but few have accused it of being purely a vehicle for {{Fanservice}}.
226* The Soft Dorothy Software logo seen in ''VideoGame/{{Glider}}'' and ''VideoGame/{{Pararena}}'', an 1889 [[http://www.softdorothy.com/Blog/Entries/2011/6/18_Soft_Dorothy.html engraving of a topless fairy]], caused problems with {{shareware}} distributors (including a ban from Compuserve that was later rescinded). The developer even got "all of two pieces of hate mail" and muses that that's still more eyebrows than the original art probably ever raised in Europe.
227* Averted matter-of-factly in ''VideoGame/FateGrandOrder''. Katsuhika Hokusai and his daughter/assistant Ou'i will freely admit that their most famous pieces, such as "The Dream of the Fisherman's Wife", are explicitly pornographic. They'll even offer you personalized works as their current patron (Master).
228* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' has a silly example appear (so to speak) in the Black Emporium -- a sculpture of the Chantry's prophet and Bride of TheMaker, Andraste, in the nude. This was ''obviously'' blasphemous even if no one could articulate why, but it was such a beautiful representation of Her that no one could bring themselves to destroy it, so they got a mage to render it invisible. Now the only way anyone can experience this version of the Maker's Holy Bride is through physical exploration...
229* Comes up in a data log in ''VideoGame/HorizonZeroDawn''. Travis Tate, a scientist [[spoiler:with Project Zero Dawn]] who is shown to have been a MisfitLabRat with a love of HeavyMetal and horror movies, attempted to have 265 "acknowledged classics of [[TorturePorn extreme exploitation cinema]]" included in the culture archive to be preserved for posterity. Samina Ebadji, the head of the archive project whose tastes leaned far more towards "good taste", permitted only the Creator/PierPaoloPasolini films on the grounds that, while they were extreme, they were also art — and not coincidentally, they had already been archived for this reason. She very bluntly and angrily rebuffed him on the rest, telling him in no uncertain terms that it'll be a good thing if nobody in the future remembers the ''[[Film/TheHumanCentipede Making a Millipede]]'' movies or all the [[Film/ASerbianFilm Eastern European torture flicks]] he asked to have included. Funnily enough, she also thanked him for finally providing an objective criteria for obscenity, namely "If Travis Tate submitted it, it's obscene." She even referenced Judge Potter's famous quote "I know it when I see it."
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234* In ''Webcomic/TheAnimeClub'', Mort tries to defend a {{Hentai}} anime (involving ''[[BestialityIsDepraved bestiality]]'', no less) with this. It doesn't work well.
235* Highlighted in [[http://www.candicomics.com/d/20040707.html this]] ''Webcomic/{{Candi}}'' strip.
236* Parodied in ''Webcomic/SluggyFreelance''. The character Bert is a misunderstood, [[{{Pun}} crotchety]] old artist.
237--> ''My world is a crotch!''
238* ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'''s Equius Zahhak owns a collection of [[UsefulNotes/FurryFandom NUDE MUSCLEBEAST PORTRAITS]]. His opinion on the matter:
239-->These striking depictions of the EXQUISITE FAUNA native to Alternia remind you of the PUREST PHYSICAL IDEAL that must be sought by anyone who professes a LOVE OF STRENGTH. When those of lesser bloodlines turn up their uncultured noses at such stunning material, it MAKES YOU FURIOUS.
240** The other trolls seem to consider the portraits to be fine art as well, possibly because [[BizarreAlienReproduction trolls don't reproduce that way]]. To them, it's about as pornographic as a flower.
241* {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d in ''Webcomic/BrawlInTheFamily'' in a [[http://brawlinthefamily.keenspot.com/comic/triloigi/ Waluigi strip.]] Daisy sees a picture of a butt on the wall and is disgusted, but Luigi tells her it's a ''painting'' of a butt, which makes all the difference, apparently. Doubles as a reference to the painting [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images The Treachery Of Images.]]
242* In a non-canon ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'' comic, Susan catches Sarah looking at nude photos, but Sarah assures her that it's only for art reference. [[SincerityMode It actually is]].
243* ''Webcomic/StickyDillyBuns'': The repressed Ruby frequently insists that the {{yaoi}} she loves has artistic value. A PrintBonus strip that appeared after the end of the comic’s run shows her recognising that her tastes (and new sideline in calendar publishing) take her very close to porn, but she comes to terms with this.
244* In ''Webcomic/DumbingOfAge'', Joyce [[https://www.dumbingofage.com/2018/comic/book-9-comic/02-but-the-sun-still-shines/sirloin/ insists]] that the explicit SlashFic she's reading is not porn, but '''''[[BoldInflation Literature!]]'''''
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248* [[https://youtu.be/pBhLI3NqnaQ This very NSFW sketch]] plays the trope -- and HBO's infamous penchant for it -- for laughs. A handful of actors describe to their friends and family the very sexual roles they were just hired for, the friends and family naturally assume that their loved ones have unknowingly signed on to a porn film, and the actors cheerfully explain that this is, like, completely different from porn. It's HBO, you see.
249* Discussed in [[http://www.asexualityarchive.com/missing-a-permission-slip/ this]] page of ''Website/AsexualityArchive''.
250->'''Narrator''': "Possession of nudity in all forms makes you a pervy loser worthy of mocking and ridicule. (Unless it's an oil painting, a sculpture, or soft-focus photograph, then that's ''art'' and therefore perfectly acceptable. But you're not permitted to be aroused by that in any way.)''
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254* Bender and the Ship's computer have an argument concerning this subject in an episode of ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}''.
255-->'''Bender''': If you need me, [[IllBeInMyBunk I'll be in my room]] appreciating "controversial art!"
256* An episode of ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' played with this; the "pornographic" work in question was [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Michelangelos_David.jpg Michelangelo's David]]. It goes something like this: Marge has successfully crusaded to get cartoon violence off the air. When her fellow MoralGuardians come to her to complain about David, she says she's okay with it because it's art. A bit later, Dr. Marvin Monroe (a psychiatrist who was a guest in an earlier interview with Marge) confronts her on a news interview show and asks her how she can be for one form of expression and against another. She isn't able to give a satisfactory answer, so society declares her protest invalid and hypocritical and lets animated violence return (to the delight of Springfield's children).
257* ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' gives us this joke in the first season:
258-->'''Peter:''' What's the difference between pornography and art? [[{{Beat}} ...]] A government grant!
259* The ''WesternAnimation/BeavisAndButtHead'' episode "Figure Drawing" had the pair join an art class just so they could stare at the nude model, and try to hit her up. During a break, the model leaves and is replaced by a male model, which instantly turns them off.
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263* In US law, one of the few ways that a work can be banned is if it's declared "obscene".[[note]]Often such a ban proves unenforceable, but that's another matter entirely.[[/note]] One of the requirements of being declared obscene is that it has no artistic or other redeeming value. For instance, a picture of a naked person, or of people having sex, cannot be banned if it's proven that the picture has artistic merit or if it has educational or scientific merit (e.g. a picture in a book on anatomy, medicine, biology, or sexual education). This distinction has never been made clear; the basic thrust of the rule, [[MemeticMutation famously articulated]] in Potter Stewart's opinion in ''Jacobellis v. Ohio'', is "I know it when I see it." This has earned the nickname "the limp dick test" in some legal circles. Because of how vague the definition of pornography was, the justices of the Supreme Court had to watch every film accused of obscenity (and had its case appealed up to the Supreme Court) and judge them on an individual basis. Yes, during the 1950s to 1970s, one of the jobs of a Supreme Court justice and clerk is to gather one-day-per-year in the darkened basement of the Supreme Court building (Room 22-B) and watch the year's crop of "art" films. Because of Justice John Marshall Harlan II's failing eyesight, Justices Thurgood Marshall and Potter Stewart took great pleasure in narrating the action on screen ("By George, extraordinary!" was the oft-heard sarcastic reply from Harlan; incidentally, all three Justices were advocates of free speech).
264** The more detailed rule, articulated in 1973's ''Miller'' v. ''California'', is three-pronged:
265### Would a reasonable person, applying community standards, think the material appeals primarily to the prurient interest (i.e. is it primarily intended to get one sexually aroused)?
266### Does the material depict some sexual act, predefined by state statute, in a patently offensive way?
267### Does the work, taken as a whole, lack serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value?
268*** If the answer to all three is "yes," then it can be banned (not that it necessarily will be banned). This is still ultimately a "know it when I see it" doctrine since it depends on the subjective determinations of "community standards" regarding "prurient interest" and "serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value". The latter element is what Stewart was talking about (the work in ''Jacobellis'' was ''The Lovers'', [[LeFilmArtistique a pretentious French art film]] that certainly had artistic value, albeit ''extremely French'' artistic value).
269* One of the most prominent ways pornography can be legalized. Lawyers claimed it's just art where actors simply played people who acted as promiscuous, therefore, it's not ''de facto'' prostitution. This argument is way more effective if it really is just art on a paper or some other non-living medium, with no real breathing people involved. (e.g. Ancient Greek vase gay pornography, the demonstration drawings on [[Website/{{Wikipedia}} The Other Wiki]], {{hentai}}, etc.)
270* A strip club owner in New York argued that his dancers were artists and thus not subject to anti-nudity laws. [[http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/judge_rules_pole_dancing_is_art_qualifying_for_sales_tax_exemption A judge agreed]], although it's still under dispute.
271** In Idaho a strip club gives [[https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna6990116 sketch pad and pencil]] to patrons to qualify as art class
272** In Orlando, a strip club performs [[https://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/requiem-for-a-strip-club-2257703 theatrical play in the nude]] to sidestep the anti-nudity law, including [[https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2000/03/02/nude-macbeth-show-goes-on/ scenes from Shakespeare]]
273* Inverted in European LARP: If a game is set in a medieval European fantasy setting, some people will act as if they're ''shocked'' by an [[OldTimeyAnkleTaboo amount of nakedness that would be considered unremarkable nowadays]]. The "porn" that is sold by shady people is mostly just pencil drawings of ladies and gentleman without their shirts on, and maybe some strategically placed objects to hide the naughty bits. Some people even commission such drawings of their own player characters.
274* In early 2001, the Saatchi Gallery in London ran an exhibition of artistic photos by American artist Tierney Gearon under the title ''I Am A Camera''. This became subject to police raids and a possible prosecution under both indecency and child protection laws, as a significant number of photos involved Ms Gearon's son and daughter, both under seven, photographed naked. The subsequent public and legal debate then revolved around where art ended and indecent photographs/possible child abuse began. UsefulNotes/BritishNewspapers split along predictable lines: the ''Daily Mail'' bemoaned the erosion of wholesome family values [[note]]but did not go further in condemnation as the Saatchi Brothers were friends of UsefulNotes/MargaretThatcher and big supporters of the Tory Party; the Mail can be viewed as the house newspaper of the Conservative Party[[/note]]. The ''Sun'', predictably, launched a PaedoHunt and advocated the photographer, the gallery owners and anyone remotely connected to them should be dragged out into the street and lynched. Just as predictably, the ''Guardian/Observer'', newspapers with cultural and artistic pretentions, insisted the artist's right to make art trumped everything else and should never be censored. The arguments dragged on through the spring of 2001, until the Crown Prosecution Service conceded that no realistic case could be brought against the gallery or the photographer, nor could it invoke the Obscene Publications Act against the publishers of books reproducing the images. [[note]]this does raise the question of - had the gallery owner not been a well-connected multi-millionaire with links to senior politicians and British establishment figures, how might the case have gone otherwise?[[/note]]
275* [[https://nypost.com/2021/04/01/naked-rock-climber-insists-its-not-porn-its-art/ Word—for—word shout out]] to the trope in the headline of this article regarding a naturist rock climber.
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