Line #42 Main/HelpingWouldBeKillstealing


1	->''"If you seek to aid everyone that suffers in the galaxy, you will only weaken yourself... and weaken them. It is the internal struggles, when fought and won on their own, that yield the strongest rewards. You stole that struggle from them, cheapened it. If you care for others, then dispense with pity and sacrifice and recognize the value in letting them fight their own battles. And when they triumph, they will be even stronger for the victory."''
2	-->-- '''Kreia''', ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublicIITheSithLords''
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4	You are in trouble. Big trouble. It is painful -- emotionally, physically, or both. You could come to harm, maybe you could even get killed.
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6	There is this person. He has power, he is able to help you. And it's not like he's too busy to be able to spend the time on you, but he cares about you and wishes you well. And that's why he won't help you. Because he thinks that you [[TheOnlyWayTheyWillLearn need the experience]]. Or self-confidence. Or reputation. Because he thinks that solving your problems for you would be bad for your growth. Or that showing doubts in your ability [[KillSteal would be impolite]]. And so, you are on your own.
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8	Although this trope is about passively letting bad things happen rather than actively setting them up, it can apply to a StealthMentor or other TricksterMentor that has set things in motion and then remain in the background while reminding himself that he mustn't step in. Might become a very reluctant DeusExMachina that is really sorry he gave the MainCharacters that vital information instead of letting them find it themselves, or regrets that he removed [[ThatOneBoss That One Obstacle]]. One of the main tools of the SinkOrSwimMentor.
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10	The trope is named after [[KillSteal a common derogatory epithet]] in {{MMORPG}}s.
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12	Compare ThisIsSomethingHesGotToDoHimself, where something is left to TheHero because he has an emotional stake in it. Often goes hand-in-hand with CruelToBeKind. See also TheOnlyWayTheyWillLearn.
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14	Contrast KillSteal and UnwantedAssistance. Inverted trope of TheEvilsOfFreeWill.
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22	* This is one of the basic principles of teaching martial arts in ''Manga/KenichiTheMightiestDisciple'': it's repeatedly said that a martial arts mentor must not interfere in his (or her) disciple's fight with a non-master fighter, even when the disciple's life is in danger. However, mentors will defy this trope in slightly different situations should the danger truly warrant the intervention. For example, if a sparring (i.e. friendly) match goes out of control or another master attacks their disciple, they will interfere to break things up. (The former has happened once to Takeda, both once to Kenichi.) Another example involves non-fight-related life-or-death situations, such as when Kenichi is attempting to save his sister Honoka from some sharks and is unable to do much about it on his own.
23	* ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'':
24	** Urahara's method of mentoring Ichigo is this. He realises quite quickly that formal training won't benefit Ichigo, so he does little more than point Ichigo in the right direction for tough battles, and Ichigo then has to become stronger or die.
25	** Isshin notices that Ryuuken appears to be using Urahara's method on Uryuu. Uryuu thinks he's independant and defying his father by running off to help Ichigo in battle, but it turns out that Ryuuken actually allowed him to go precisely because Uryuu needs the experience and needs to get stronger.
26	** An explicit rule in Squad 11 of the Thirteen Court Guard Squadrons. These {{Blood Knight}}s believe battles are one-on-one and will not step in to help a struggling comrade.
27	* One of Meta Knight's favorite excuses for not helping Franchise/{{Kirby}} is that he needs the experience.
28	* It happens in ''Manga/NegimaMagisterNegiMagi'' during the [[SchoolFestival Mahora Festival]] and Negi's final battle against the ArcVillain. Evangeline (who recently became Negi's magic mentor) and the school principal observe the fight and in one moment Evangeline forcibly prevents the school principal from interfering in the battle, because she wants her disciple to prove that he can defeat the adversary himself.
29	* ''Manga/SoulEater'': Discussed in the first episode. Lord Death and Spirit watch Maka and Soul struggle with an enemy and Spirit suggests helping them. Death responds that while they ''could'' defeat that enemy "with a single REAPER CHOP", that would not help the kids grow as meister and weapon.
30	* ''Manga/GourmetGirlGraffiti'':
31	** Tsuyuko, Shiina's maid, prevents [[SupremeChef Ryou]] from helping Kirin and Shiina after they drop some ingredients onto the ground in episode 7. The girls also insist she don't help them, as they want to cook for her this time around. Ryou can't help but feel useless since she normally does everything herself. So naturally the two have a lot of trouble, such as accidentally burning some of the fish, and later breaking dishes while trying to clean them.
32	** PlayedForLaughs in episode 11. Kirin asks Shiina to pray for their success in passing the entrance exams for high school. She says that's a bad idea, and that you should rely on yourself rather than gods or other people praying for your sake. The sun shining behind her makes it look like she's [[HolyBacklight imparting cosmic wisdom]], and both Kirin and Ryou are "blinded" by her words. Or the sunlight.
33	* In Novel Volume 3 / Anime episode 8 of ''Literature/IsItWrongToTryToPickUpGirlsInADungeon'', this is the reason given for why the Loki Familia [[spoiler:doesn't help Bell defeat the Minotaur]] (there's apparently a rule against adventures interfering in other's battles to enforce this; this is an RPGMechanicsVerse after all). Crosses over into ThisIsSomethingHesGotToDoHimself territory for Aiz and Bete.
34	* ''Anime/DragonBallZ'':
35	** The primary reason why Goku refuses to kill Majin Buu when he had the chance. He wanted the younger generation to handle it since he was dead and his friends couldn't depend on him anymore to protect them. It didn't work out so well with the Earth being destroyed along with everyone being killed except Dende, Mr. Satan, and Bee. Although, Goku somewhat got his wish since Buu was finally killed with the help of everyone on Earth giving him energy for a giant Spirit Bomb.
36	** Earlier, he tries to [[PassingTheTorch pass the torch]] to Gohan during the Cell Games and refused to help even when Gohan was getting the life crushed out of him. He wanted Gohan to be the hero on top of wanting a fair fight. [[WhatTheHellHero It takes Piccolo yelling at him for being heartless before he was ready to interfere]].
37	*** In Goku's defense, he was right. Cell found a more proper motivation in threatening everyone ''but'' Gohan, but he wanted Gohan to unleash his inner strength and win where even Goku couldn't. Some trouble afterward aside, including Goku's own Heroic Sacrifice, Gohan did manage it.
38	* ''Manga/FoodWars'': Soma is told by Gin in episode 11's Shokugeki (which he initiated to prevent Megumi being expelled) that Megumi has to prove her own abilities as a chef, or she'll simply fail a later test.
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42	* A theme that sometimes pops up in Franchise/{{Superman}}. In one of the more memorable stories, the [[Franchise/GreenLantern Guardians]] summon Superman and get him to at least consider the possibility that he is coddling mankind. It does cause him to adjust his approach a bit.
43	** In ''ComicBook/SupermanRedSon'', Superman so coddles the human race that people stop trying to avoid accidents, until ''Lex Luthor'' of all people nails him with an ArmourPiercingQuestion that ''brings him to his knees'':
44	--> "Why don't you just put the whole ''world'' in a bottle, Superman?"[[note]]For context, this refers to the fact that Brainiac somehow shrank the entire city of Stalingrad down to the size of a large ant farm, something Superman never succeeds in reversing, and is a very deliberate call back to Kandor, another city that suffered the same fate.[[/note]]
45	** The sorcerer Arion shows Superman that he has been coddling mankind for so long that when something comes along that Superman can't handle, the human race won't stand a chance. By allowing lesser disasters to happen, Arion asserts, Superman would be allowing mankind to strengthen for still more difficult challenges.
46	** An interesting variation of this occurred in one story. An Elderly Woman in a crosswalk is about to be run down by a drunk driver, and she prays to God to let her live at the same time Superman swoops in and saves her. It turns out, the woman lives in the Southside Neighborhood of Metropolis (a.k.a. [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Suicide Slum]]) and was on her way to a church meeting to discuss the rise of gang violence in the community. The woman takes the entire series of events to believe God is on her side and starts confronting criminals. Of course, Superman hears this and comes to her aid each time, noting while it's not ideal to respond to this insanity, the woman was in danger and the people were legitimate criminals. Of course, this fails when the woman tries it and Superman is on the other side of the world helping with a much more serious problem. The result is that the old woman gets shot. Superman does visit her in the hospital and apologizes for not being there but it turns out, the woman is grateful... because the community learned that Superman can't be there for them all the time AND the woman wasn't doing anything they themselves were not capable of and they could stand up to the local criminals themselves... starting with rebuilding some of the damage to the community.
47	* Franchise/{{Batman}} makes a point of rejecting help from his super-powered buddies in part for this reason. He needs to do it himself and Gotham needs to fear Batman, not Superman.
48	* Sometimes a theme for the Franchise/{{Justice League\|of America}} too. In a couple of memorable stories, villains have come along who seemingly solve all of mankind's major problems. The League notes that they want humanity to grow on its own solving its own internal problems while only being there to help when we're truly in over our heads, such as repelling alien invasions.
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52	* In ''ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}'' story ''Fanfic/HellsisterTrilogy'', the Girl of Steel is about to die after battling Mordru, but is saved by ''ComicBook/TheSpectre''. When she asks why he didn't intervene earlier to help the ComicBook/LegionOfSuperHeroes, he explains that they had to win their own battles.
53	-->'''Supergirl:''' Why didn't you help us?\
54	'''The Spectre:''' The battle had to be won by yourselves. Or lost. Sometimes I am held back in these matters. But I was allowed to rescue you, once the battle was done.
55	* In ''Fanfic/ThisBites'', Squardo and Whitey appealing to Luffy and Ace's honor as pirates is the only thing that stops the [[BigBrotherInstinct latter]] [[spoiler:from rocketing off to immolate Baron Omatsuri alive]].
56	* ''WebVideo/DragonballZAbridged'': This is why Goku arrives late to the battle instead of using his instant transmission ability to teleport home. He is immediately called out on this by Piccolo as it is an incredibly stupid idea.
57	-->'''Yamcha:''': Why didn't you teleport to Freeza's ship and stop him.\
58	'''Goku:''' I kinda wanted to give you guys a chance.\
59	'''Piccolo:''' Please don't make a habit of doing that.\
60	'''Goku:''' No promises.
61	* In ''Fanfic/ForewarnedIsForearmed'', Lavenza pointedly refuses to intervene in any more of Akira's fights after saving him from his own Shadow, saying that these are challenges that he must overcome on his own. That said, she watches over him and ensures he doesn't get too in over his head while giving him advice.
62	-->'''Tenya:''' ''[flabbergasted and confused]'' Excuse me?
63	* In ''Fanfic/HeroicMyth,'' Bell's Servants can steamroll virtually everything down the lower floors of the dungeon as long as they keep him safe and healthy. But they decide to let him fight his own battles, as they are transient spirits who will vanish in time while he's mortal and alive.
64	* Inverted in ''Fanfic/NeitherABirdNorAPlaneItsDeku''. Izuku's Kryptonian powers would let him turn the practical portion of the U.A. Entrance Exam into a complete joke by destroying dozens upon dozens of robots in minutes. But his ChronicHeroSyndrome kicks in and he spends the entire exam helping people and giving them the points that he could have earned. He even apologizes for killstealing when he {{Goomba Stomp}}s on a robot he was saving Tenya from too hard, much to the latter's bewilderment.
65	-->'''Izuku:''' ''[standing atop the wreckage of a robot]'' Oh no, it got destroyed! I didn't think I hit it that hard. I'm really sorry about that. I didn't mean to steal your kill!
66	* ''Fanfic/FateRevelationOnline'': Early on, Shirou focuses on a FragileSpeedster build, running to and fro saving players who are in over their heads. Unfortunately, because many of them don't ''realize'' they're in over their heads and he runs off again without explaining himself, he gets a reputation as a kill-stealing jackass. Things get better once he becomes more careful about letting the people he's saving get the final hit, and after the first couple weeks people are experienced enough that he doesn't need to constantly run around rescuing them anyway.
67	* During Chapter 56 of ''Fanfic/BlazBlueAlternativeRemnant'', Jubei has Ruby, Jaune, and Noel set up tripwires and a spiked ditch so they can pragmatically take down a pair of Goliaths. When Jaune why Jubei doesn't handle them himself since he's more than powerful enough to do so, Jubei responds that they wouldn't learn anything if he fought their battles for them.
68	-->'''Jubei:''' Look, I'm old, and part of my job as your Huntsman is making sure you're ready for the future. In the end, while I gotta make sure you get there, I can't fight all your battles for you.
69	* Inverted in the ''Fanfic/SuperwomenOfEva'' series: while the titular superhero versions of the ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' female cast are just trying their damnedest to help prevent TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt, in [[DependingOnTheWriter the fanfics of the series]] in which Asuka Langley Sohryu is an antagonist she sees their help as them stealing her kills and thus [[GloryHound the recognition she is fighting to obtain]] and [[DrivenToVillainy boy, does she get ticked off about that]].
70	* ''Fanfic/DimensionalLinks'': This trope is [[spoiler:Oni's]] cited reason for never helping out the Links fight the incarnations of Demise. The only times he breaks this self-imposed rule is [[spoiler:his introduction against Majora as ItsPersonal]], and the time when [[spoiler:nearly all the Links are de-aged and physically unable to fight.]]
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74	* This is basically Yoda's argument for why Luke should not rush off to save his friends in ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'', [[spoiler:although he qualifies it by claiming that it's a test Luke just isn't ready for]].
75	* In the remake of ''Film/AngelsInTheOutfield'', the angels in Heaven help the Angels on the field win their games...until the final game.
76	-->'''Al:''' Championships have to be on their own. It's a rule.
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80	* Aahz in ''Literature/MythAdventures'' taught Skeeve on an "as the need arises" basis and allowed him to deal with everything they met, keeping his interference as slight as possible unless the situation was very life- and [[strike:purse]] reputation-threatening.
81	* In ''Literature/TallTaleAmerica'', Pecos Bill says that, when he revamped cattle ranching, he
82	-->"[M]ade some of this work tougher than I had to, just to make sure we'd weed out the cry-babies. But I figured that with all these hardships to overcome, the cowpunchers would develop in time into a bunch of rootin'-tootin' heroes. It'd be enough of a challenge, you see, so we'd have a line of work a man could be proud to do. (...) It'll be a fine life, you see, if you have the good luck to live through it."
83	* Over the course of ''Literature/GalaxyOfFear'', Tash's more studious nature and [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands growing grasp]] of [[HowDoIShotWeb her own Force-Sensitivity]] gradually start to prove more useful than her brother Zak's BookDumb brashness, technological skills, and minor physical advantage. Aware of this, by the last book Zak feels like TheUnFavorite. When they meet Yoda, the Jedi Master holds Tash back and makes Zak confront the [[VillainOfTheWeek terror of the book]] by himself - Tash could have managed more easily, and of course Yoda could have effortlessly resolved everything, but Yoda wanted Zak to regain confidence in himself and discover his own Force-Sensitivity.
84	* A conversation between Father Joe and God in ''Literature/ThePhantomOfManhattan'' has God explaining that the sinfulness and suffering of mankind is InherentInTheSystem; God has given Man free will and directly changing people from bad to good would violate it.
85	* ''Literature/JourneyToChaos'': Tasio the Trickster, with all his godly power and wisdom, could remove any obstacle in Eric's path and defeat any enemy he encounters. He doesn't because he put Eric on that path specifically so he would overcome both on his own and grow as a result. [[spoiler: At the end of both ''A Mage's Power'' and ''Looming Shadow'' he expresses frustration at such a hands-off role, but continues to do so because to do otherwise would stunt CharacterDevelopment and prevent chaotic change.]]
86	* In the ''Literature/CiaphasCain'' novel ''Death or Glory'', Cain engages an Ork warboss in a duel, while other orks just stand by and watch. Cain's aide Jurgen explains that they do not dare interfere, because the boss would see that as a challenge to his might and kill them. For the same reason Jurgen cannot help Cain - if he does, ''then'' other orks can also join.
87	* ''Literature/OracleOfTao'': It's within God's power to wipe both of the game's major villains out. Instead, he makes Ambrosia do it. Likewise, Ambrosia herself decides the best way to help humanity is to live her own life and let other people solve their own problems.
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91	* [[spoiler:Jacob]] in ''Series/{{LOST}}''. [[spoiler:Played straight on the island: He doesn't interfere, because he wants everyone to figure out the right thing to do on their own. Subverted in the outside world, as Jacob seeks out Kate in her childhood and saves her from a problem that would likely have been an important life lesson.]]
92	* Giles in the sixth season of ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer''. [[spoiler:He chose to abandon Buffy because he feels that she's making herself smaller than she is by clinging to him in a immature way.]] In principle he had good reasons, but the fact that he chose to make his stand right in the middle of a crisis, and forbade everyone else from helping Buffy as well, can only vaguely be justified by him following musical logic at the time. When he returns at the end of season six and finds out about every f'ed-up thing that had happened to the Scoobies in his absence, he apologizes to Buffy and states that leaving her was a mistake.
93	* ''Franchise/SuperSentai'' and ''Franchise/PowerRangers'':
94	** ''Series/TokusouSentaiDekaranger'' and ''Series/PowerRangersSPD'', once the Rangers' commanding officer becomes a SixthRanger, they start feeling that [[HoldingOutForAHero they can slack off and let him do the dirty work]]. Once he discovers this he refuses to bail them out of trouble until they wise up.
95	** Completely averted in an episode of ''Series/KaizokuSentaiGokaiger'', where a returning character ([[Series/NinpuuSentaiHurricaneger Fuuraimaru]])'s BigDamnHeroes moment includes completely destroying a MonsterOfTheWeek who was curb-stomping Gokai Silver. Of course, in the very next episode Fuuraimaru becomes a permanent addition to the team.
96	** As the series has embraced loose continuity in the last decade or so this has been established as one of the main reasons why past teams don't really get involved with whatever the current crisis is most of the time. All teams are in contact and are always watching out for the new guys, but typically don't get involved because they consider it a right of passage for the current years team to defeat their enemy on their own at which point they'll approach them shortly after the season has concluded to induct them into the greater Sentai ranks. Exceptions being if the new team REALLY seems to need the help (as in Nininger) or some other groups old foes get involved (Often in the crossover films) they just happen to be in the right spot where they might as well help out this one time (also in crossover films) or huge situations like the Legend War in Gokaiger where a huge invasion force attacked and no new Sentai group appeared to oppose them (Gokaiger wouldn't be formed until the aftermath of the war).
97	** This applies to most mentors, who are usually stronger than the heroes at the beginning of the season, to the point that they could defeat the monster on their own, but if they did, the protagonists could not become stronger.
98	* The premise of ''Series/TheTwilightZone2002'' episode ''Azoth the Avenger is a Friend of Mine''. A young boy dealing with bullies and an abusive father manages to bring his favorite comicbook hero to life. Azoth defeats the bullies, but loses against the father. Azoth explains to the boy's mother that he could have defeated the father with ease, but if the boy always relies on others to solve his problems for him, he'll never grow up. The boy and his mother stand up to the father and manage to defeat him.
99	* Near the very end of the series finale of ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'', it seems that Q might be about to tell Picard some new secret of the universe... then instead he pulls back, smirks mischievously, and says "You'll find out."
100	* In an episode of ''Series/StargateSG1'', Teal'c is wounded and starts feeling weak. Eventually, he ends up in a fight to rescue his mentor and son from a Goa'uld prison camp. During the battle, he ends up in a fight with a high-ranking Jaffa. When Teal'c son Rya'c moves to help him, Teal'c mentor Bra'tac holds him back, telling him that Teal'c needs to do this on his own to regain confidence in his own abilities. Indeed, Teal'c wins the fight and feels much better for it.
101	* ''Series/{{Firefly}}'':
102	--> "This is something the captain has to do for himself"
103	--> Captain Mal (in the middle of a life and death fight) "NO IT'S NOT!"
104	--> Copious amounts of gunfire at the villain.
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108	* ''Manhua/ZuiWuDao'': Xiao Hei tells Wu Di that he is on his own in the Time Forgotten Forge so that Wu Di can focus on his own improvement. He eventually reneges on it when Dao Ling targets Wu Di, largely because Wu Di has hit a wall in his development and ''can't'' move beyond it without help.
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112	* ''Music/KidsPraise'': At one point in the fifth album (i.e. the camping trip), two boys have difficulty putting their tent up, and ask Psalty to do it for them. Psalty tells the kids that the challenge is their opportunity to grow, but he does give them some general problem-solving strategy tips.
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116	* This is one of the main responses to the Problem of Evil, the question of how {{God}} can be [[GodIsGood Good]], [[TheOmniscient Omniscient]] and [[InvincibleHero Almighty]] and still allow the world to become as horrible as it is. One answer is God is able to make the bad go away, and He does want the bad to go away -- but this desire is counterbalanced by His desire that we will learn to solve our own problems and grow stronger in our free will and virtue.
117	** The other half of it is that if God ''always'' stepped in to prevent people from being dicks to other people, then there's no ability to choose to be a dick, which is basically pissing all over human free will and forcing us to do what He wants.
118	** Then there's the median between the two, that God is able to make the bad go away, and He does want the bad to go away -- but He ''refuses'' to do so because ''humanity rejected him''. He does intend to ''eventually'' make the bad go away, but is continuously waiting until the last possible moment so that the maximum number of people will have a chance to [[HeelFaceTurn turn good]] and be eligible for saving; meanwhile, humanity's screw-ups prove that we need God.
119	** Of course, there is the counterarguement: God is actively doing something about Evil: [[MundaneMadeAwesome He created everyone with purpose,]] [[SecretTestOfCharacter but gave us the Free Will to ignore that purpose, again going back to an argument above.]] [[WhatYouAreInTheDark By the way... you gave some loose change]] [[AngelUnaware to that homeless man you passed earlier today,]] [[ArmorPiercingQuestion right?]]
120	** However an objection is that while yes most people do agree coddling someone isn't good, a lot of the things you can go through can't really be justified with "{{misery builds character}}" or similar. {{Trauma conga line}}s in reality often make you much worse, not better (that is when they're survived at all). So the amount and depth of suffering, in many people's minds, is difficult if not impossible to justify. This does not even get into suffering by animals either, who don't have free will according to most people, and can't build their characters as a result or anything similar.
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124	* Canonically a behavior that can crop up among Clan warriors in ''TabletopGame/{{BattleTech}}''. Since the Clans consider themselves pretty much ''the'' ProudWarriorRace, unwelcome assistance in a fight can actually be a pretty serious offense. (Some Clans are more flexible on teamwork than others, but the dueling code of ''zellbrigen'' is still an integral part of even their culture -- the ideal battle for any Clan warrior would pretty much by definition involve a series of straightforward duels against {{Worthy Opponent}}s.)
125	** The classic example is Phelan Kell's realization, at one point in the "Blood of Kerensky" trilogy after his adoption into Clan Wolf, that the other members of his Star are hanging back and letting him handle his fights alone out of sheer ''respect''. (Being kind of busy at the time, he just makes a mental note to have a chat about teamwork with them later.)
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129	* In ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'', Rokurou Rangetsu is such a BloodKnight that he'll attack anyone who tries to help him defeat his quarry if he wants to fight one-on-one. This includes his own party members, with Eleanor nearly getting her head taken off when she stepped in between Rokurou and an opponent. This behavior is partly due to Rokurou [[TheCorruption becoming a war demon]], which stemmed from his desire to kill his brother Shigure in a duel. He does grow out of it with time [[spoiler:especially after actually killing Shigure towards the end of the game]], but there were a few very close calls.
130	* [[MassivelyMultiplayerOnlineRolePlayingGame MMORPGs]] such as ''VideoGame/EverQuest'' are the TropeNamer. In these games, killing monsters is a main source of personal growth for your character. If a monster attacks you and hurts you, you normally do NOT want someone to save you. If someone else attack the monster before you do, then that person has "stolen your kill".
131	* Averted in the MMO ''VideoGame/GuildWars2'' though, where everyone gets full EXP and loot when a monster dies. In this case, helping becomes ''actually helping'' even if you're only in it for yourself. As a result, having the BigDamnHeroes come charging over the hill to save your beleaguered arse is the rule, not the exception. Considering that some end-game zones are positively overrun with GoddamnedBats, this is most welcome indeed.
132	* In ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'', the first person to attack a monster and deal damage (this is called "tapping" the target) gets the experience and loot. However, the game automatically reduces the experience award if a majority of the damage was dealt by another player, such as a much more powerful player, specifically to encourage this trope.
133	** In later expansions it's become increasingly averted; now, many quest-specific mobs can be "tapped" by multiple players of the same faction (and, in the case of most unique mobs or bosses, ''across'' factions), encouraging help even on an informal basis (previously for such a thing to work, the players would have to be in the same party, which is limited to 5 players). This proves an effective AntiFrustrationFeature for popular quests, where a player could have trouble even tapping a quest mob to kill it, since another player would get it first.
134	* ''VideoGame/ModernWarfare2'' gives powerful killstreak rewards for achieving a certain number of kills in a single life. Some players will get more annoyed at teammates who "help" by killing opponents than at the opponents themselves, especially when they "just needed one more kill for Harriers".
135	* ''VideoGame/DefenseOfTheAncients'' and the following games of the MultiplayerOnlineBattleArena genre have heroes that benefit differently from getting money and experience: some (called ''supports'') can get by with an inexpensive item or two, relying mostly on their abilities, while other (''carries'') require thousands of gold to be somewhat effective. This difference encourages use of the trope with support players giving up everything they have for the carry's growth, to hitch a ride to victory on the back of a [[OneManArmy farmed carry]]. This also explains why good support players are valued as much as good carries: they can stay in fight without taking any extra experience or gold and still benefit the team.
136	* ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'':
137	** This is pretty much the only reasonable explanation for why in the climax of ''VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl'', the much more qualified Cynthia doesn't step up to beat Cyrus into a pulp -- even though she's literally standing ''right next to you'' -- and lets you handle him instead. The ''Manga/PokemonAdventures'' manga averts this by {{nerf}}ing Cynthia so she can take on Cyrus and lose. [[Anime/PokemonTheSeriesDiamondAndPearl The anime]] also averts this, since she doesn't just stand on the sidelines while Ash and Co. deal with Team Galactic.
138	** Subverted by Alder in ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite'' who actually DOES take on N. [[spoiler: Since N had captured [[OlympusMons Reshiram/Zekrom]] and Alder was out of practice due to having been retired, it doesn't go so well.]]
139	** In ''VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire'', neither Wallace nor Steven step up to help you against the BigBad, despite being Champion-caliber trainers.
140	* Kreia (as seen in the page quote) lampshades this in ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublicIITheSithLords'', when you help people too much; by taking their burdens, you deny them the opportunity to grow strong by themselves. Whilst her take on this trope sounds a lot like the Sith philosophy[[spoiler:, unsurprising given she is a powerful Sith Master,]] even a light-sided player can acknowledge it's a truth that needs to be taken into consideration.
141	* In ''VideoGame/JadeEmpire'', Smiling Mountain makes a similar point to Kreia when he explains that the Open Palm and Closed Fist philosophies don't necessarily correspond to good and evil (a distinction sadly lost for most of the rest of the game). He explains that a pragmatic follower of the Closed Fist can force people to handle hardships to grow strong, while an Open Palm practitioner might help everyone around himself to keep them dependent on him.
142	* ''VideoGame/Fallout3'':
143	** This is the reasoning that certain companions give for not being willing to turn on the irradiated water purifier, despite being immune to radiation. The DLC fixes this, with Fawkes the Super Mutant stating that while he would initially say this, you've changed his life so much that he might as well change yours. The developers' explanation for this is that recruitable companions were implemented quite late into the game's development (which also explains why the player character is insistently referred to as "Lone Wanderer").
144	** Incidentally, companions helping can be literally killstealing; you don't get XP for people they kill who you didn't deal much damage to. This was thankfully rectified in ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas''.
145	* As a meta-example, this is why [[CrutchCharacter Crutch Characters]] are so looked down upon by the ''VideoGame/FireEmblem'' fandom. While attacking and defending alone give modicum experience, you get much more from kills. Also, experience gained scales by a mix of level and rank; a lvl 5 paladin only gains a fraction of experience a lvl 3 cavalier would. Units that start at low levels also have greater potential than their veteran counterparts, so using nothing more than that paladin or general the game [[SuspiciousVideoGameGenerosity literally hands you]] for the first few chapters will leave you woefully unprepared for the larger scale battles later in the game. This is the reason that most players de-equip the CrutchCharacter as soon as possible, and simply let it act as a meatshield for the first few chapters, before either ditching it (if, as often is the case, it's not viable in the endgame) or using it more conventionally (if it actually ''is'' viable in the endgame).
146	* Subverted in ''VideoGame/{{Disgaea 2\|CursedMemories}}'': When you frequently summon Kurtis to help you in battle, he eventually responds that you need to learn to stand on your own...and then decides to help you anyway, since you can't learn this lesson if you die in battle.
147	* In ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'', it's very unlikely that you'll get travel from Riverwood to Whiterun without seeing a group of Companions fighting a giant. Help them kill it and they will praise your valor; watch from the sidelines and they'll criticise your apathy. For the latter, you are only allowed to say that you didn't think they needed help or that you didn't think that you could help, when the real reason might be that you truly didn't want to steal their kill. Or that they killed it before you had a chance to interfere
148	* While present in the ''VideoGame/WorldOfTanks'', with the usual experience for kills and damage, the ''players'' subvert it. The huge bonus for winning a battle outweighs individual kills so much that most players have no problem with another player finishing off the tank they were shooting at. A small exception where that kill might offer a medal, but even that is fairly mild.
149	* Played with in ''VideoGame/MonsterHunter'': The monetary reward for a quest is divided up amongst all participants. A quest that rewards 6000 zenny will give 1500 zenny per player in a four-person party[[note]]However, players with the Crazy Lucky Cat skill will get a 75% bonus.[[/note]], while doing the quest solo will reward you all 6000. On the surface, it seems like the best way to make money is to tackle quests by yourself. However, quests go by much faster with a party and don't diminish the item rewards (which can be sold for cash anyway), so repeating the same quest with a party is still a viable option if you're low on funds.
150	* Subverted incredibly hard in ''VideoGame/{{Neverwinter}}'', whose mechanics actually encourage going full ChronicHeroSyndrome in any situation. Players who fight monsters get full loot, experience and credit for the kill regardless of whether they're in a group or who landed the killing blow. Heroic Encounters dot most of the higher-level maps and anyone can jump in and join the fray without it hurting anyone's chance of getting good loot. This leads to instances of players stopping to help beat a group of enemies someone else is struggling with very commonplace.
151	* In ''VideoGame/NEOTheWorldEndsWithYou'', [[spoiler:Kanon Tachibana]] is dueling [[spoiler:Tsugumi Matsunae]] until the Wicked Twisters come to her aid and she happily is more than ready to assist the team in taking the enemy down together. Come the actual battle, though, she's nowhere in sight.
152	* When ''VideoGame/CityOfHeroes'' was active, for the most part players respected the rule but it wasn't uncommon for a higher level character to stumble on a lower-level character battling one of the random mobs on a map and hang around watching and if the player looked like they were going to be defeated, intervening by either buffing the other player to give them a chance to continue, trying to pull some of the attackers away, or using some kind of non-damage ability to distract the attackers to give the other player some breathing space. In situations where the other player was obviously so outclassed and outleveled they didn't have a hope of defeating the {{Non Player Character}}s, the higher level players would simply rush in to make the save, even if the difference in levels between the rescuer and mob was so much the rescuer wouldn't get any XP out of it at all. In other words, in a game where you played as a superhero, many players actually acted like heroes.
153	* This trope forms an important part of Shinobi training philosophy in ''VideoGame/SenranKagura'', and subverts AdultsAreUseless by explaining why teachers never assist their students even when lives are on the line. Despite being active Shinobi with much more skill and experience than their charges, instructors will never step in on a student's affairs unless they're in over their head through no fault of their own. Attacked with lethal intent by a student of another academy in the same school level? You should know enough to keep yourself alive. Antagonized another faction? You called the thunder, you reap the whirlwind. Threat assessment and knowing the better part of valour are skills Shinobi are trained in just as much as combat, and are expected to exercise just as readily. (Also keep in mind that this value system is communicated by a [[GreyAndGrayMorality "Good" Shinobi teacher]], and his class agree with every word.)
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157	* In ''VideoGame/GalaxyAngel'', this is Forte's reasoning on not directly helping [[NewMeat Chitose's]] inability for flexible thinking. Left alone, she will cause disaster sooner or later, as evidenced in the aftermath of a particular mission where she froze up, never expecting the freighter she rescued was [[TheInfiltration an enemy in disguise]], despite [[CoverIdentityAnomaly nigh-blatant clues]]. However, telling her directly would most likely backfire, as Forte herself puts it:
158	--> '''Forte''': "If I do tell her 'suspect everything beforehand', she will start suspecting even the regular coffee she drinks, thinking it is poisoned. It's not something you learn from the Academy; she's got to do this on her own."
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162	* [[JustTheFirstCitizen Baron]] [[EmperorScientist Klaus]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist Wulfenbach]] of ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'' happily dumped almost any sort of problem into the lap of Gilgamesh, his son and heir, as a "test", and even made up some when he had no real crisis at hand to shove Gil into.
163	* In ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'', this is the reason Rose gives for not killing all John's imps for him.
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167	* ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'':
168	** Red Tornado, the team's guardian, points out that they need to solve their problems as a team, rather than have the Justice League come in when things get tough. It also handwaves why the team is on their own so much, even when the League can easily respond to a crisis within minutes.
169	** Averted however in "Downtime" when the team was [[CurbStompBattle curbstomped]] by Clayface and Batman [[DynamicEntry arrived]] to [[BigDamnHeroes save them.]] Though he ''did'' chew out Aqualad for his poor leadership.
170	** In a darker twist, this is how ComicBook/VandalSavage characterizes [[LegionOfDoom the Light]]'s motives.
171	--->'''Vandal Savage:''' [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld Fifty thousand years of life]], and nothing ever troubled me as much as the founding of the Justice League. Dedicating to maintaining society's calcified status quo, the League would protect mankind from disaster, crime, tragedy of any kind. [[TheSocialDarwinist Had you never heard of the survival of the fittest]]? In essence, you ''heroes'' sought to protect humanity from its own glorious evolution."
172	* In ''WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddparents'', a rule that has been present since the beginning of the series is that one's fairy godparents are forbidden from helping their godkid win a competition. This has caused problems for Timmy more than once because he often augments his own capabilities with wishes, but [[BroughtDownToNormal all of those buffs instantly disappear]] the moment something becomes a contest of skill.
173	* A common theme in ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', especially with Celestia's relationship with her student, Twilight.
174	** This trope actually kicks off the show: Celestia could keep teaching and supporting Twilight normally, as she has for the past few years, and Twilight would naturally grow into a famous mage, beloved by Equestria's ruler and goddess. But then she would become dangerously isolated from other ponies, unable to ask for help or work in a group, and she would forget how to relax and have fun. Hence, Celestia sends her to study in the peaceful country town Ponyville, away from Celestia, where Twilight will basically ''have'' to bond with ponies in order to get anything done -- and certainly to fight off the evil, ''other'' goddess-pony, who is breaking out of her prison...
175	** This is the reason the [[FanWank fans wanked out]] for why Celestia never directly helps the Mane Six take on any villain in the series. [[spoiler:The Season 3 finale more or less implies this to be [[IKnewIt the actual reason]].]]
176	** In the end of the Season 4 premiere, [[spoiler:Discord reveals that ''he'' planted the seeds thousands of years ago that sprouted and attacked Ponyville, and had he bothered to say something they could have solved the problem much sooner. When Twilight asks why he didn't speak up, he more or less references this trope.]]
177	--->[[spoiler:'''Discord:''' And rob you of a valuable lesson of being Princess? What kind of friend would do a thing like that, hm?]]
178	* On ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}},'' this is the reason {{God}} says He doesn't interfere in events too much, and why when He does, it's subtle enough that [[MaybeMagicMaybeMundane people can't tell for sure if He did anything]].
179	* ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformers'': In the Season 2 episode "Prime Target", Astrotrain learns the hard way that Lord Chumley considers the Decepticons' offer of help to capture Autobots as this, especially right after Astrotrain effectively [[KillSteal KS'ed]] him by shooting Optimus Prime in the back as it was tussling with Chumley's robot scorpion drone.
180	-->'''Lord Chumley:''' NO! He was ''MINE''!
181	* ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls1998'': One episode has the girls get fed up with the citizens of Townsville needing their help for every little thing, so the fly away and spend the day on a cloud. When a monster attacks, they refuse to help directly and shout out hints about how the people can handle the situation themselves. Part of it is just plain wanting a break, but part of it is wanting people to be self-sufficient.
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