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| 6 | ->'''Rarity:''' How in Equestria is my travelling in time supposed to prove that time travel is impossible?\ |
| 7 | '''Twilight:''' I explained this Rarity. Travel back along a given time line can't be possible, because it could violate causality -- do you know about the ''Grandmother Paradox''?\ |
| 8 | '''Rarity:''' No.\ |
| 9 | '''Twilight:''' Suppose you travelled back in time to a point before you, and your parents, were born, and you killed your maternal grandmother... [...] But then she would never give birth to your mother, so you would never be born -- so you could never go back in time to kill her -- it's a paradox -- see! |
| 10 | -->-- ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' fanfic ''[[https://www.fimfiction.net/story/282998/temporal-irregu-rarity Temporal Irregu-Rarity]]'' |
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| 12 | The grandfather paradox is a type of TemporalParadox. The name comes from the most famous variation, namely "what would happen if you traveled back in time and killed your own grandfather?" However, it also applies to anything that happens while time traveling that should logically make your original time travel trip impossible or unnecessary. |
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| 14 | For example, if you killed your grandfather in the past, you should [[RetGone never have been born]], and therefore you couldn't have traveled to the past to kill your grandfather. Destroyed the time machine? Okay, but how did you use said machine to travel into the past in the first place? Kill the EvilOverlord while he's a child? Then [[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct you shouldn't have any reason to travel into the past to kill him]], because he never grew up to [[DoomedHometown destroy your village]] and all. |
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| 16 | So, then, killing your grandfather causes you to not exist, and since you don't exist, you never killed him. Which means he survives, so you exist, so you do go back to kill him. Which means he doesn't, so you don't; therefore he does, so you do, etc. [[MindScrew Are you confused yet?]] |
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| 18 | Alternately, this whole snafu can be ignored outright if you're using AlternateUniverse-style time travel, where the time period ''you'' came from is separate from (and unaffected by) any meddling you do in the past. The downside to this is that returning "home" might be a tricky matter.... |
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| 20 | If the universe runs on StableTimeLoop, this type of paradox is simply impossible, as all changes that [[TimeTravelTenseTrouble will have been going to happen]] have [[YouAlreadyChangedThePast "already" happened anyway]], so you can't cause a change that will negate itself -- something will have to intervene, no matter what or how. |
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| 22 | This paradox doesn't stop you from traveling to the future and [[InvertedTrope killing your future self and your offspring]], however. |
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| 24 | May lead to MyOwnGrampa, though in this case the person killed (probably) wasn't originally your grandfather anyway. |
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| 26 | A subtrope of MurderInTheFamily. |
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| 29 | !!Examples: |
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| 33 | [[folder:Advertising]] |
| 34 | * Invoked by an Old Spice advertising campaign from the early 2000s: "If your grandfather hadn't used it, you wouldn't exist!" |
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| 36 | |
| 37 | [[folder:Anime & Manga]] |
| 38 | * ''Manga/FairyTail'': |
| 39 | ** The original Eclipse Project would have caused one of these. [[spoiler:The goal of the project was to use the gate to go back 400 years into the past and kill Zeref before he became the Black Wizard. Chapter 436, which is an entire chapter on Zeref's past, reveals that Zeref was the one who ''created'' the Eclipse Gate. Killing him would cause the gate to never exist -- which would render the need for the Eclipse Project nil, allowing Zeref to survive, and so on and so forth. Time would be stuck in an endless loop. This is (presumably) also the same reason why Zeref never used the gate for its original purpose: to save his little brother Natsu from his premature death. Had he done so, he would have had no reason to create the gate, which would causes Natsu to die again, etc. Notably, the only known instances where the gate was used and ''didn't'' backfire and cause some temporal problems is when characters used it to send others to the ''future'' and not the past]]. |
| 40 | ** [[spoiler:The Alvarez Empire arc reveals that Zeref's goal is to use Neo Eclipse to subvert the paradox problem. Rather than being stuck in an endless loop, Zeref intends to create an entirely new timeline to take the place of the current one. His chosen point is the time before he became immortal, so that way he can prevent all the tragedies that befell him and his brother. While that would ensure that the events of the manga would never happen, there is no guarantee that any of the characters in the current timeline would be born and/or suffer even more tragedy -- for all anyone knows, Zeref could just be hastening the apocalypse. Unfortunately, Zeref has gone so far beyond the DespairEventHorizon that he simply doesn't care about any of that, as he has already come to reject the current world in favor of his new one]]. |
| 41 | * ''VisualNovel/SteinsGate'' explains that [[spoiler: this is why Okabe been failing to change the timeline in his favor, specifically when he needs to save Kurisu from being stabbed. The whole plot kicked off when Okabe accidentally sent the first D-Mail after seeing Kurisu lying in a pool of blood, drastically changing events so that, among other things, the above event was prevented from happening, allowing Okabe and Kurisu to fall in love with each other. Without that, he wouldn't even be trying to save Kurisu in the first place. However, nothing says that he can't change events so that [[TrickedOutTime they're similar enough that his past self effectively does the same thing as before]].]] |
| 42 | * In ''Manga/SummerTimeRendering'', [[spoiler: Shadow Ushio is transported back to the past where she erases the whale form of Hiruko before it could copy and devour Haine. This causes all shadows, including Ryuunosuke, Hiruko, Haine, and eventually Shadow Ushio, to disappear since they were all created from shadows that no longer exist. Meaning there is now nobody capable of going back in time to erase the whale in the first place, thus creating the paradox.]] |
| 43 | * ''Anime/VivyFluoriteEyesSong'': Vivy, who is on a hundred-year mission to SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong, gets the impulse to [[spoiler:save the life of an anti-AI terrorist she keeps running into]] during her few first tasks to change history. It later turns out that [[spoiler:the terrorist is literally the grandfather of someone important in the life of the scientist from a hundred years in the future who gave Vivy her mission in the first place]]. |
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| 46 | [[folder:Audio Plays]] |
| 47 | * ''Podcast/Case63'': Dr Knight is a psychiatrist working with Peter, a patient who claims to be a time traveler from 40 years in the future. She doesn't believe him, thinking he's instead lying or delusional. In their very first session together, Dr Knight suggests that, if true, Peter's story could be verified by doing a DNA match with his currently-living mother. She expects his story to be {{conveniently unverifiable|CoverStory}}, assumes Peter will say no, they can't intervene in his parents' lives because that could stop them getting together, creating a Grandfather Paradox. But to Dr Knight's surprise, it's a SubvertedTrope--Peter ''encourages'' her to go talk to his parents, explaining that their origin story as a couple is actually a StableTimeLoop that hinges on Dr Knight's interference. This could also be considered an InvertedTrope, as time travel doesn't ''threaten'' Peter's existence, it ''causes'' it. |
| 48 | -->'''Dr Knight:''' But if I contacted your parents, that would alter the future in some way, right?\ |
| 49 | '''Peter:''' True.\ |
| 50 | '''Dr Knight:''' They wouldn't get to know each other and you wouldn't be born, we wouldn't be--\ |
| 51 | '''Peter:''' --we wouldn't be having this conversation.\ |
| 52 | '''Dr Knight:''' Correct.\ |
| 53 | '''Peter:''' In four weeks--not sure of the exact date--but precisely because of the fact that you ''will'' believe me, you will contact my parents. And this story of an American psychiatrist who called my parents talking about their time-traveling son who hasn't been born will seem so funny that my dad will go ''looking'' for my mom. They'll go out for some beers and they'll start to date. They'll become boyfriend and girlfriend, and I'll be born. All thanks to you, Doctor. I'll grow up listening to this story--the story of the American psychiatrist who brought my parents together. |
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| 56 | [[folder:Comic Books]] |
| 57 | * [[Creator/IDWPublishing IDW]]'s ''ComicBook/BackToTheFuture'' establishes 1985-A (the hellish 1985 from ''Film/BackToTheFuturePartII'') as an impending grandfather paradox, as Doc Brown finds out that his alternate universe double [[spoiler:has been lobotomized]]. If Doc Brown never builds the time machine, then Old Biff can't give the almanac to his 1955 self; and if he doesn't give the almanac to himself, then 1985-A can't happen... |
| 58 | * Miguel O'Hara from ''ComicBook/SpiderMan2099'' (2014 series) isn't sure exactly what would happen to him if his grandfather Tiberius Stone dies on his watch and he's not eager to find out. This leaves Miguel in the unenviable position of protecting a man he quite rightfully despises. |
| 59 | * In ''ComicBook/{{JSA}}'' ComicBook/MisterTerrific I mentions having read "By His Bootstraps" and really liking it when he first meets the time-traveling Hawkgirl and Mr. Terrific II, and later in the story sends the 74th Century conqueror Black Barax packing when he claims that he used the JSA's Time Spectacles to look into the future and see that he was Barax's direct ancestor, threatening to shoot himself if Barax doesn't cease his attack and go home. After some heroics by his future counterpart briefly delay him, Terry gets the gun again and starts pulling the trigger—-Barax, unwilling to take the risk, goes home. By the way, the JSA doesn't ''have'' Time Spectacles. |
| 60 | * [[MadScientist Brainstorm]] built a time machine in ''ComicBook/TheTransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye'' that was specifically constructed to be immune to this paradox [[spoiler:so that he could go into the past and kill Megatron before the Great War started]]. |
| 61 | * Defied in the 2010 Dynamite run of ''ComicBook/{{Vampirella}}'' when ConquerorFromTheFuture Professor Quatermass visits his great-grandfather to ensure that he'll invent time travel ahead of schedule to further his plans. When his great-grandfather hesitates, Quatermass shoots him only after asking him if his grandfather is safe at home. |
| 62 | * During the time travel arc of ComicBook/{{Thunderbolts}}, the current team ends up in New York, back in the days when the first team of Thunderbolts was still active and still serving as Zemo's disguised Masters of Evil. Due to a long chain of events, the past version of Fixer finds out about his future by secretly hacking the present Fixer's files, and the two get into an argument that causes the present Fixer to kill his past self by engaging a self-destruct built into his past-self's armor. This causes reality to start imploding in on itself, and the destruction of everything is only averted when Fixer has Centurius erase his memories and de-age him so that he can take his past self's place, creating a StableTimeLoop. This is ultimate fixed in a later Thunderbolts story when Kobik, the living [[RealityWarper Cosmic Cube]] in the form of a little girl, undoes the loop by erasing past-Fixer's death. |
| 63 | * The Morphin' Grid prevents this in ''ComicBook/MightyMorphinPowerRangersShatteredGrid'' as [[spoiler:it decides to split apart every single era of the Power Rangers timeline into its own little universe after Lord Drakkon murders Tommy Oliver during his early Green Ranger days.]] |
| 64 | * ''Wonder Wart-Hog'' employs this with one case of glaring inconsistency in "Battle of the Titans". He is hanging out in a bar with his prehistoric ancestor Piltdown Pig and his descendant The Hog from the Future, and the latter decides to explore the nature of a paradox by shooting the former with a zapgun. Since Piltdown Pig was the direct ancestor of the others, they cease to exist, while the city is retroactively turned into a crime-ridden cesspool because Wonder Wart-Hog wasn't around to do anything. The Hogs are then immediately returned after Piltdown Pig is revived in the distant future and returns to the present so that his descendants can return to existence, and everything is fine...except the city is ''still'' a hellhole, necessitating the heroes to fix it the traditional way. |
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| 67 | [[folder:Fan Works]] |
| 68 | * ''Fanfic/MyFamilyAndOtherEquestrians'': Blade Star has been sent back in time to near the events of the season 2 finale of ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', thanks to a [[Series/DoctorWho Weeping Angel]]. How does he decide to get back? By causing a Grandfather Paradox. If he were to do something at that moment in the past, it would have a ripple effect on his own future, causing everything to change since Blade Star's arrival in Equestria. This would mean that the timeline in which Apple Bloom and Blade Star went to Time Turner's shop and encountered the Weeping Angel would not happen, or at least, happen differently. He would change the past, but therefore have never existed to come back and change the past in the first place. He then concludes that the Weeping Angel itself would become a paradox, as it fed off of something that had no time energy because it didn't exist. In LaymansTerms, he would potentially be brought back to his point of origin, and the angel would be caught in the paradox. |
| 69 | ** Blade Star then decides to confront Queen Chrysalis and expose her to the ponies earlier than in canon, severely injuring her in the process. The paradox this causes is so huge that Discord has to come in and fix the mess, stating that this was simply way too much chaos for one being, [[EvenEvilHasStandards even by his standards]]. |
| 70 | * In [[https://archiveofourown.org/works/37148983 The Time Alix Never Saved Paris]], this is given as the reason why the Rabbit Miraculous is to be used only as [[GodzillaThreshold the absolutely last resort]]. When Alix uses the Rabbit to jump back in time and prevent Lila from defeating the Miraculous Bearers, she erases her own timeline and creates a new one with its own Alix. The Alix who jumped back in time does not exist and never did, and only Fluff's miraculous power lets her exist. So as soon as her transformation runs out, the paradox will resolve and she will be nothing but a might-have-been in the mind of Fluff. |
| 71 | * In a variant of this, in the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' fan-comic "Twilight's Erasure", Cozy Glow from an AlternateTimeline [[RetGone erases pregnant Twilight's mother's baby in the past from the existence,]] which also not only makes present Twilight's presence become unnoticed by every pony, but also causes her to lose her talents and cutie mark, and eventually [[FountainOfYouth slowly regresses her.]] |
| 72 | * ''Fanfic/ThePalaververse'': In the time travel story ''The First Stitch'', the paradox of killing a grandparent is mentioned, by someone from the past, to Rarity's surprise: |
| 73 | --> '''Clover:''' You know how it’ll go. You don’t wish to invoke the … what is it now? The 'killing your own grand-dam' problem.\ |
| 74 | '''Rarity:''' That's a concept you have as well? |
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| 77 | [[folder:Films -- Live-Action]] |
| 78 | * The plot of the first ''Film/BackToTheFuture1'' may be the most well-known example, even though it's a) not Marty's ''grand''father it involves and b) he doesn't kill him, but rather accidentally [[spoiler:takes his place as his mother's object of affection]]. The rest of the movie has Marty trying to correct things before he's erased from existence. |
| 79 | * Played with in ''Film/EnterNowhere'', in which a young woman about to rob a convenience store finds herself transported to an isolated cabin where two strangers are similarly stranded, and where a mysterious rifleman is creeping around in the woods. [[spoiler: The rifleman ''is'' her grandfather, who'd died in WWII without ever seeing his baby daughter, and the others are the still-pregnant mother she never knew and the son she won't live to see grow up. Inverted in that the grandfather actually kills ''her'' and causes her son to disappear in the process, leaving it up to her mom-to-be to save her own dad and thus, all four lives. Played straight in that it's implied the three were sent back in time to avert the grandfather's death because the convenience-store clerk has supernatural power and wanted to give them all another chance ... one meaning that, since her Mom survived to stop her from becoming a criminal, the robber wouldn't have confronted the clerk in the first place.]] |
| 80 | * Inverted in ''Film/StargateContinuum'', where Cam Mitchell winds up going back in time, and eventually (ten years down the road) keeping his Grandfather alive as a way of [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong setting right what Ba'al had messed up]]. Said paradox was directly referenced before, when Mitchell found out that he doesn't exist in the new timeline because Ba'al killed his grandfather. |
| 81 | * Discussed and ultimately averted in ''Film/TerminatorGenisys''. [[spoiler:Sarah Connor tells the T-3000 (her son John Connor) that he can't kill either her or Kyle Reese because they're his parents and that would negate his existence. John retorts that since all three of them are outside their natural timelines, there truly is "no fate" and he can thus kill them without erasing himself.]] |
| 82 | * The 2002 film version of ''Film/{{The Time Machine|2002}}'' is [[TimeyWimeyBall inconsistent]] in how it deals with this. The first act demonstrates that it is actually impossible to create a paradox; Alexander builds his time machine so he can save his love Emma from dying, but no matter what he does, she always ends up dying in one way or another, because if she didn't, he wouldn't build the machine and save her. However, the third act throws this out the window when [[spoiler:Alexander travels from 802,701 to even further in the future, discovers that the Morlocks have conquered the Earth, and then goes back to 802,701 to destroy them so that they can't.]] By the first act's logic, it should be impossible for him to do this, since he's erasing the reason for his own actions, but it works perfectly anyway. |
| 83 | * The happy ending for Special Constable Tom Campbell in the ''Series/DoctorWho'' spin-off film ''Film/DaleksInvasionEarth2150AD'' has him returning in ''Tardis'' to a point a few minutes before his departure from 1960s Earth, and arresting the burglars who attacked him and caused him to stumble concussed into ''Tardis'' in the first place. There is no acknowledgement of the major paradox problems this would cause, such as there being two different Toms wandering around. |
| 84 | * Brought up and discussed in ''Film/{{Tenet}}'' when the heroes deduce that [[spoiler:the unseen GreaterScopeVillain from the future that is supplying and directing the BigBad intends for [[ApocalypseHow the world to be destroyed]], seemingly not caring that this would, logically, kill them as well. They speculate that who or ''what''ever the Future Villain is, they are immune to the Grandfather Paradox (or at least ''believe'' they are) and thus have no fear of what will happen if they destroy their ancestors (assuming they are even human). The aforementioned BigBad, for his part, seems to believe that they ''are'' affected by the paradox, but have arranged things in such a way that [[InTheirOwnImage the world will be instantly recreated in a better form upon destruction]]. We are never told if either point-of-view is right, [[RiddleForTheAges or anything else about the Future Villain for that matter]]. Like the [[NoNameGiven nameless]] Protagonist, they have no real identity or backstory beyond what is narratively important; being the bad guy.]] |
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| 87 | [[folder:Literature]] |
| 88 | * ''Literature/ConstanceVerityDestroysTheUniverse'': According to Doctor Malady, Archimedes Lovelace accidentally killed his own father using his time-machine, Malady's temporal anomaly field generator being the only thing keeping him from being erased from the timeline. |
| 89 | * ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'': |
| 90 | ** In ''Literature/{{Eric}}'', the wizard Rincewind is time-traveling and says that since he's gone back to the beginning of time due to someone using him as a genie wishing to live forever (i.e. beginning to end of time), and he says that he would have to wait around for a while until he could kill his grandfather which is "the only aspect of time travel that really appealed to him". |
| 91 | ** Averted in ''Literature/{{Night Watch|Discworld}}'', where Vimes' mentor is murdered while he's in the past; [[YouWillBeBeethoven he ends up taking over his identity,]] [[StableTimeLoop teaching his younger self everything that his mentor taught him.]] |
| 92 | ** A DiscussedTrope in ''Literature/TheLastContinent'' when Ponder Stibbons tries to explain the idea to Archchancellor Ridcully, but runs up against the latter's LiteralMinded {{Metaphorgotten}} tendencies. "Why would I want to kill my grandfather? I rather liked the old boy." |
| 93 | * Creator/RobertAHeinlein: |
| 94 | ** In ''Literature/TimeEnoughForLove'', Lazarus Long just glosses over the possibility of creating a paradox while time-traveling by saying that it's impossible to create one. So he has sex with his mother, meets his younger self, enlists in the Army and fights in UsefulNotes/WorldWarI. ItMakesSenseInContext. |
| 95 | ** In ''Literature/TheDoorIntoSummer'', this is boiled down to the time-traveler protagonist waiting just outside of a room where he also is prior to his time-traveling activities, and briefly wondering what would happen if he ran in and slashed his counterpart's throat. He doesn't do it, of course, because that would be stupid and accomplish nothing, but he notes in present tense that he ''still'' hasn't figured it out. |
| 96 | * The Creator/CharlesStross novella ''Literature/Palimpsest2009'' has a twist: killing your own grandfather is the initiation rite for the TimePolice. The graduation ceremony is stepping back in time a few minutes and killing ''yourself''. |
| 97 | * Paradoxically inverted in "Grandpa", a short story by Edward M. Lerner. In it the protagonist, Professor Fitch, survives two assassination attempts by his grandson, and preempts a third by deciding not to have children. |
| 98 | * In ''Literature/JohnnyAndTheBomb'', Bigmac suggests going back in time to [[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct kill Hitler]]. Johnny warns him of the dangers should he accidentally kill his grandfather, but Bigmac says it's safe since his grandfather doesn't look anything like Hitler. (Fortunately, by the time they obtain actual time travel, he's forgotten the plan.) Then they fall victim to an actual grandfather paradox: [[spoiler:their time travel results in Wobbler's grandfather being killed in a World War II bombing]]. |
| 99 | * In Creator/MichaelCrichton's ''Literature/{{Timeline}}'', one of the protagonists raises this paradox to the CorruptCorporateExecutive who's trying to send them back in time. The latter changes the subject to a long discussion about how it would be nearly impossible for one person to make the Mets beat the Yankees (ie, the forces of history are too large for one person to decisively change). When the protagonist presses the point, the Exec {{Hand Wave}}s it and moves on. |
| 100 | * The end of ''Literature/TheSagaOfDarrenShan'' explains how the story is an endless paradox because [[spoiler:the rule of Destiny is that if you kill someone, somebody else will take their place and do exactly as they would do (as an example, Evanna says that if you were to kill Hitler, somebody else would've taken his place and done exactly as he did.) and seeing as Darren goes through everything just to go back in time to stop the whole thing from happening, someone else will see the Cirque, join Mr.Crepsley and go on all the exact adventures Darren did, eventually having to stop themselves from seeing their best friend talking to Mr.Crepsley and then someone ELSE taking THEIR place and so on. Darren says that afterward you could read the books again and change all the names and it'd still be technically correct.]] |
| 101 | * Inverted in two separate ways in ''Literature/{{Rant}}'': [[spoiler:Traveling back in time to kill your parents will cause you to be outside of time, and therefore immortal (in-universe this is known as "severing ties"). Going back and impregnating your mother, or a direct matriarch of your family (grandmother, great-grandmother) will result in gaining heightened faculties (this is known in-universe as "stoking". Combo points for [[{{Squick}} impregnating each one down the line until you are born]].)]] |
| 102 | * Creator/GregoryBenford's ''Literature/{{Timescape}}'' describes a unique, quantum-mechanical approach to Grandfather Paradoxes. If a time-travelling signal were to prevent its own transmission, the signal and everything involved in triggering it would be in an ''indeterminate'' state where it neither does, nor doesn't, occur -- like Schrödinger's Cat before the box is opened. |
| 103 | * In one classic sci-fi story, the protagonist decides to try to commit suicide in a grand way by going back in time to shoot his grandfather. He does so. Nothing happens, so he turns the gun on himself. The narrative continues on to note that the sound of the gunshot does nothing to disturb his grandmother and his grandfather's best friend as she tells him to make sure he pulls out in time... |
| 104 | * {{Discussed|Trope}} in Creator/StephenKing's ''Literature/ElevenTwentyTwoSixtyThree''. Though he initially hand-waves, King does answer the question implicitly: nothing would happen to the traveler. People who go through the portal are "out" of the timestream and thus not eliminated as a result of their actions. [[spoiler:Although progressively worse things happen to the traveler the more the traveler tries to make a major change to the timeline, and although the traveler will return to the exact moment of departure, the effects of time spent in the past -- such as aging -- are not reversed.]] |
| 105 | -->''"Yeah, but what if you went back and killed your own grandfather?"\ |
| 106 | He stared at me, baffled. "Why the fuck would you do that?"\ |
| 107 | That was a good question, so I just told him to go on.'' |
| 108 | * Discussed and inverted in ''Literature/LocksmithsCloset''. When Lock and Gary travel into the future and find it uninhabited, Gary remarks that "at least we don't have to worry about our grandkids coming along and shooting us just to see what'll happen." |
| 109 | * Happens literally in René Barjavel's novel ''Le Voyageur imprudent'' (translated as ''Literature/FutureTimesThree'') written in 1943 (hence the first novel to enunciate the grandfather paradox) where the time-traveler (Pierre Saint-Menoux) tries to assassinate Napoleon Bonaparte before his rise to power: [[spoiler:at the last moment, a soldier jumps to take the bullet and save Bonaparte. This soldier is of course the time-traveler ancestor. The time-traveler is then wiped out from existence]]. There is even an appendix explaining the paradox at length [[spoiler: (including the fact that, for the time-traveller, there is no real ending - he is constantly oscillating between existing and non-existing. The ending of the novel however makes it clear he does not exist any more - his fiancée is celibate, and the man he helped build the time machine in the first place is fruitlessly trying to make it work)]] |
| 110 | * In Creator/PoulAnderson's ''Literature/TimePatrol'' stories, you can have effects without causes, so that killing your grandfather merely means you exist without a parent. Fortunately this means you can yank history back on course. Or unfortunately, since in the process you eliminate the future created by the change, and everyone in it. |
| 111 | * Discussed in ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'' novel ''Literature/ColdDays'', when Harry asks Vadderung what would happen if he were to travel back in time and attempt to kill his grandfather. The answer is that Harry's grandfather would beat him senseless, because [[spoiler: Harry's grandfather is Ebenezer [=McCoy=], [[OldMaster Harry's mentor and the White Council's Blackstaff]].]] Eventually he gives a more serious answer, it would destroy the current timeline and create two new ones, one where he failed and one where he succeeded. |
| 112 | * Parodied in one of Creator/BrianAldiss's "Three Enigma" stories. A time traveler goes back in time and falls in love with his grandmother, causing his grandfather to commit suicide. "I can see this is going to be awkward," says the time traveler as he fades out of existence. |
| 113 | * A different take, not involving relatives, is in ''Literature/ADryQuietWar'' by Tony Daniel. The protagonist returns to his home planet after fighting a war twelve billion years in the future at the end of time, apparently to hold back the spread of entropy so the universe has a chance to exist in the first place. He has a run-in with several deserters from that war who are terrorizing the place. If he does anything to harm them however, it changes the future and everything he's fought for has been for nothing. |
| 114 | * ''Franchise/DoctorWhoExpandedUniverse'': For the Time Lords, Grandfather Paradox is an actual ''person'' who went back and, yes, killed his grandfather, which doomed him to a sort of undead temporal limbo. He's the Time Lord equivalent of the Bogeyman, and the splinter group/terrorist cult Franchise/FactionParadox considers him their spiritual leader, partly cause [[ForTheEvulz it pisses off the Time Lords]]. We actually meet him. He's quite literally the AnthropomorphicPersonification of FutureMeScaresMe -- he's ''everybody's'' evil future self. And Faction Paradox has the entire trope as a sport for initiates. Want to get in? Kill momma. ''[[MindScrew Before you were conceived]]''. At one point, his appearance is described as eerily similar to the Ninth Doctor, which at that point would have been the Doctor's future self. In fact, the first time the Doctor encounters a Faction Paradox agent, the agent calls him "Gramps". |
| 115 | * Discussed in Creator/OctaviaButler's novel ''Literature/{{Kindred}}'' when Dana finds herself pulled back in time to [[UsefulNotes/AntebellumAmerica the antebellum South]] whenever her ancestor Rufus is in mortal danger. As he comes to treat her more and more like one of the plantation slaves, only the threat of a paradox keeps her protecting his life. [[spoiler:Once Rufus has a child, that protection expires.]] |
| 116 | * Happens quite often in Stephen Baxter's Literature/XeeleeSequence books, where entire wars are fought atemporally, causing battles to happen multiple times in different timelines with different outcomes, and where going back in time to give your own side intelligence about your enemy's future actions is a common tactic. Defied in one instance where a character receives information from a timeline that should no longer exist, but the information still remains. The explanation given was that time is flexible, and just because the one particular event that led to him getting that information now had never happened, in some other timeline he had gotten it a different way, and so he ended up still having it. |
| 117 | * [[https://www.tor.com/2011/08/31/wikihistory/ "Wikihistory"]] is about a group of {{Time Travel}}ers, and one of their rules is [[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct "no killing Hitler"]], because it would prevent the invention of time travel itself. There are no such restrictions on ''other'' genocidal tyrants, but [[spoiler:one must consider the possibility that one is descended from such an individual before eliminating them.]] |
| 118 | * In "First Time Machine" by Creator/FredricBrown, when the creator of the time machine brings up killing one's grandfather while introducing it to his three friends, one of them declares that he's going to take the time machine and do just that. Once he does so, [[spoiler:we then cut back to the present, where the inventor is introducing the time machine again, but to his ''two'' friends.]] |
| 119 | * ''Literature/TheUnadulteratedCat'': Discussed. Cats have no thumbs, and therefore do not need to worry about traveling back in time and shooting their own grandfather. They may try to ''become'' their own grandfather, but this is normal for barn cats anyway. |
| 120 | * ''Literature/AQuantumMurder'': {{Discussed}}. The conclusion is you can due to the existence of [[TheMultiverse parallel realities]]. In short, you're conceived in one universe, then go back in time and kill your grandfather in another universe. |
| 121 | * ''Literature/UntilWeMeetAgain'': [[TheProtagonist Cassandra]] discovers she caused one when people stop remembering [[spoiler:Travis]]. Since Lawrence was spending time with her rather than being at a party, he couldn't drive his friend home when he was drunk. So he went driving, and died in a car crash. [[spoiler:As a result, all of his descendants, including Travis, weren't born.]] Cassandra is horrified when she learns this. |
| 122 | * A variation in ''Literature/ThusWeFrustrateCharlemagne'' by Creator/RALafferty. By killing one messenger they can, in theory, open up scientific exchange between Charlemagne's kingdom and the more advanced Muslim Spain, thus ending the Dark Ages centuries earlier. They succeed, but don't realize they did. They attempt something similar and end up sending civilization back to the Stone Age. |
| 123 | * The Creator/RALafferty example is mentioned in ''Literature/TheLastDayOfCreation'' by Wolfgang Jeschke. The US government has invented time travel and wants to use it to solve the oil crisis. It's pointed out that if this works, no-one will remember it and it will look like the government is spending vast amounts of money for nothing, potentially shutting down the project. There's also the threat of starting a [[TerminatorTwosome temporal arms race]] which is exactly what does happen; eventually a DividedStatesOfAmerica is created that is too poor to continue the research, stranding the expedition in the past. |
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| 126 | [[folder:Live-Action TV]] |
| 127 | * The ''Series/TwelveMonkeys'' episode "Lullaby" has Cassie create a paradox by going back in time and killing Jones immediately after the death of her daughter, before she could start trying to invent time travel. The result is a GroundhogDayLoop until Cassie (and Cole, who comes back to help) can figure out what needs to happen to preserve the timeline. |
| 128 | * Referenced in ''Series/{{Continuum}}'', when terrorists [=Liber8=] attempt to eliminate their adversary Kiera Cameron- both displaced to 2012 from 2077- by killing her grandmother before she can give birth; Kiera attempts to counter this by threatening the pregnant mother of [=Liber8=]'s founder. [[spoiler:The paradox is apparently proven irrelevant when the grandmother of [=Liber8=] renegade Matthew Kellog is killed before she has children and nothing happens to him, but Kiera's ally Alec Sadler notes that lack of evidence is not proof that nothing will happen.]] |
| 129 | * ''Series/DoctorWho'': |
| 130 | ** [[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E2TheShakespeareCode "The Shakespeare Code"]]: Martha Jones brings this up at the start of her first trip in the TARDIS. |
| 131 | --->'''Martha:''' What if I kill my grandfather?\ |
| 132 | '''The Doctor:''' Are you ''planning'' to?\ |
| 133 | '''Martha:''' No.\ |
| 134 | '''The Doctor:''' Well, then. |
| 135 | ** [[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E13LastOfTheTimeLords "Last of the Time Lords"]]: The Master constructs a Paradox Machine ''specifically'' to evade the consequences of this paradox, [[spoiler:as his army of homicidal laser balls happen to be the descendants of humans, from the end of the universe.]] It of course is destroyed. |
| 136 | ** In [[Recap/DoctorWhoS34E11DarkWater "Dark Water"]], Clara Oswald tries to force the Doctor to go back in time and save her boyfriend Danny Pink, who was killed in a road accident. |
| 137 | --->'''The Doctor:''' If I change the events that brought you here... ''you will never come here and ask me to change those events!'' Paradox loop. The timeline disintegrates--your timeline! |
| 138 | ** [[Recap/DoctorWhoS37E6DemonsOfThePunjab "Demons of the Punjab"]]: When Yaz goes back in time to meet her grandmother Umbreen as a young woman, the Doctor warns her several times about potentially causing one. [[spoiler:Saving Prem, Umbreen's first husband, from dying would cause such a paradox, so they have to walk away as he is killed.]] |
| 139 | * ''Series/TheFlash2014'': Avoiding the complications of the Grandfather Paradox is first implied, then confirmed to be the reason that the Reverse Flash [[spoiler: aka Eobard Thawne aka Harrison Wells]] spares Eddie Thawne's life in the "The Man in the Yellow Suit". In the first season finale, [[spoiler: Eddie takes advantage of this and ''shoots himself'' to erase Eobard from existence. Unfortunately, the ensuing paradox might be why a planet-threatening singularity shows up afterwards.]] In a later episode, [[spoiler:the Reverse Flash returns, being an earlier version of the villain from before he traveled back in time to kill the Flash as a child (it's speculated that he was protected from the paradox by the Speed Force, as he would need to travel back in time again to set all the events into motion)]]. |
| 140 | ** Later Barry threatens [[spoiler:to do this to himself to destroy Savitar, who turns out to be a time remnant of himself (kind of a speed clone) he'll create in the future. If he dies then, he can't create Savitar later on. Savitar says it might, but also points out the above example that Eddie killing himself didn't stop Thawne from eventually coming back and that the rules of time travel don't always completely apply to speedsters so Barry might just be killing himself but leaving Savitar free without anyone to stop him.]] |
| 141 | * Inverted in ''Series/{{Haven}}'', where after traveling back in time Duke accidentally ''saves'' his grandfather (who had already had a son). When Duke learns who he is, the issue becomes whether he needs to make sure he dies or let him continue living. [[spoiler: Turns out it's neither. Duke is a part of a StableTimeLoop in which Sarah Vernon ends up killing Roy Crocker, because he found out from Duke that she was going to kill him, so he went after her first.]] |
| 142 | * ''Series/LegendsOfTomorrow'': While the series lets people change history [[TimeyWimeyBall in all sorts of wonky ways]], the forces of the universe won't allow Constantine to deliberately [[RetGone prevent his own existence]] by giving his father a [[GroinAttack "back alley vasectomy"]]. Every time he tries, he stops existing for a few seconds and immediately falls flat on his ass when he reappears. |
| 143 | -->'''Zari:''' Ball Kick Paradox. You can't kick your own dad in the junk, because you'd erase yourself from the timeline, and there'd be no one to kick your dad in the junk. |
| 144 | * ''Series/{{Outlander}}'': |
| 145 | ** Claire, who has time traveled from the 20th century to the 18th century, has to stop Jamie from killing her future husband Frank's ancestor Black Jack Randall for at least a year, to give him time to father a child with Mary Hawkins. Jamie holds off so that Claire, [[spoiler: who is pregnant]], will have someone to go back to if she chooses to go back to the future. [[spoiler: Then it turns out that Black Jack isn't Frank's direct ancestor, rather, it's his brother Alex. However Black Jack married Mary Hawkins after Alex died to GiveTheBabyAFather.]] |
| 146 | ** Happens again when Claire, in 1968, almost tries to stop [[spoiler: Geillis/Gillian]] from going through the stones to the 18th century [[spoiler: to her eventual execution]], before finding out that she's Roger's distant ancestor, meaning that her never going to the past and having a child would potentially end his existence. |
| 147 | * Subverted on ''Series/{{Timeless}}'' when the pilot episode ends with historian Lucy returning from altering the fate of the ''Hindenburg'' (it crashed a day later with only two people killed) to find that her sister, Amy, no longer exists. A computer search reveals that Lucy's father, Henry, married the granddaughter of someone who was supposed to die on the ''Hindenburg'' and never met Lucy's mother, Carol. Lucy is at first confused how she can exist if her parents never met...then realizes it means Henry was ''never'' her father in either timeline. |
| 148 | * Averted in ''Series/TimeTrax'', which the protagonist claims to be taking place in a time-shifted parallel world instead of their own past (except for the times when the shows writers forget that and treat it as an actual past). A criminal from his own time is attempting to track down an eliminate the ancestors of Darien's old partner, who was involved in a car accident that killed the criminal's girlfriend. The criminal assumes that, by making sure the guy is never born, the accident will never have happened, and she will still be alive. Darien tries to convince him that this isn't how time travel works. |
| 149 | * The grandfather paradox is a major plot point in the third season of ''Series/TheUmbrellaAcademy2019''. After arriving back in the future, the Hargreeveses learn that they were never born in this timeline because something killed their mothers, and said ''something'' -- [[spoiler:Viktor empowering Harlan in 1963, and him growing up to psychically kill their moms by accident]] -- was the result of their actions. This causes a reality-breaking paradox known as the ''kugelblitz'', a "reverse black hole" that collapses reality unto itself. |
| 150 | * Parodied in ''Series/TheXFiles'' in "[[Recap/TheXFilesS03E04ClydeBruckmansFinalRepose Clyde Bruckman's Final Repose]]": the title character cites this as a reason why he shouldn't help Mulder and Scully catch a serial killer -- because one of the people he might save could be the grandmother of the person who'd invent a time machine that would mean Clyde's father never met his mother and therefore he'd never have been born. As his ability to see the future had made his life a misery, Clyde suddenly realizes that wouldn't be a bad thing after all. |
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| 153 | [[folder:Tabletop Games]] |
| 154 | * ''TabletopGame/GeniusTheTransgression''[='=]s stance on the subject: |
| 155 | -->And yes, if you kill your own grandmother before your father is born, you will cease to exist. The universe, it turns out, doesn't care that much if your grandmother gets shot in the head and there's no shooter. You still go poof. |
| 156 | * The old ''Series/DoctorWho'' RPG encourages [=GMs=] to be cruel to players who try this. One popular result is that, if you go back in time and point a gun at your grandfather, then [[AssassinOutclassin the young version of your grandfather will leap out of the way, pull his own gun and shoot]] ''[[AssassinOutclassin you]]'' [[AssassinOutclassin dead]]. Paradox? What paradox? |
| 157 | * ''[[http://dig1000holes.wordpress.com/time-temp/ Time and Temp]]'' uses office temps (hence the name of the game) as field agents because their [[{{Mooks}} unimportance]] minimizes the risk of accidental GrandfatherParadox. At least until their vital mission (explained using the same bland corporate-speak as any other boring day job) gives way to their [[ItsAllAboutMe selfish]] [[NiceJobBreakingItHero foibles]]; the worst-case scenario is to RetGone [[ApocalypseHow all of existence]], but usually they just get slapped with an [[HilarityEnsues Incident Report]]. |
| 158 | * The ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'' supplementary material has an Ork warboss who traveled back in time a day and proceeded to kill his past self so he could have two copies of his favorite gun. Unfortunately, this so confused the Orks under his command that the WAAAGH! he was leading fell apart. |
| 159 | * ''TabletopGame/FengShui'' goes with a belt-and-suspenders approach. Actually changing history is hard and requires taking possession of feng shui sites; doing something minor like shooting your own grandfather changes nothing. Johnny Wong will return to the present to discover that [[InSpiteOfANail his grandmother met someone functionally identical to his old grandfather and the only difference is that his name is now Johnny Fong]]. If you ''do'' make the effort to make your changes stick, you can shift history so that you never existed... but accessing the Netherworld (the method of time travel) immediately locks in your personal timeline at that point, and you will never be affected by future shifts. So Johnny Wong returns to a present where he doesn't exist and never did, but he still exists because he's locked to a timeline where he existed. (The Netherworld is full of people who had one too many shifts happen to them and retreated from a world that they no longer know and that no longer knows them.) |
| 160 | * ''TabletopGame/{{Timemaster}}'': One of the corollaries to the game's Laws of Time Travel flat-out states that this is impossible. No matter what you try, you will never be able to kill one of your ancestors. Your ''enemies'', on the other hand, can blow away as many of your ancestors as they feel like, which ''would'' erase you from the time stream. Time Corps agents are advised to never talk about their families. |
| 161 | * In ''TabletopGame/MageTheAwakening'': |
| 162 | ** Joining the highest ranks of the [[ApocalypseCult Cult of the Doomsday Clock]] requires that a mage reach through time and kill their past self, making their existence a Paradox and allegedly freeing themselves from the shackles of time. [[spoiler:Subverted in that this actually allows an abyssal monster to devour the mage's existence and take their place in the world, since those entities are Paradox incarnate.]] |
| 163 | ** [[TheArchmage Archmasters]] are explicitly allowed to use time travel to erase their lives from history. It doesn't annihilate them, simply because archmasters are partway [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence Ascended to a Higher Plane of Existence]] and aren't bound to the material world, but it does, well, [[RetGone erase their lives from history]]. |
| 164 | * {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d in ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering''. In the ''Tarkir'' block, Sarkhan Vol travels back into the past of his own plane and alters the timeline so that the dragons never went extinct. One of many knock-on effects from this is that Sarkhan himself was never born in the new timeline. However, perhaps due to being a Planeswalker, he still exists as a self-described "orphan of time". For all intents and purposes, he simply popped into existence fully-formed when he returned to the present. |
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| 166 | |
| 167 | [[folder:Video Games]] |
| 168 | * ''VideoGame/BackToTheFutureTheGame'': Marty does encounter his paternal grandfather and affects his own existence in time. |
| 169 | * In ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater'', if you kill Major Ocelot instead of just knocking him out, you get the "TIME PARADOX" NonstandardGameOver. Ocelot is integral to the plot of the previous games in the series, which take place chronologically after ''Metal Gear Solid 3''. Hilariously, the HD re-releases of the game have an achievement/trophy for doing this entitled, "[[WhyDontYouJustShootHim Problem Solved, Series Over]]." |
| 170 | * Subverted in ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOracleGames The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages]]''; Ralph attempts to destroy his own ancestor Queen Ambi (who is possessed by Veran), ''knowing'' that it will remove him from existence and [[HeroicSacrifice willing to take that consequence to protect the people of Labrynna]]. But [[CurbStompBattle she proves more than capable of defending herself]]. |
| 171 | * In [[http://achrongame.com/paradox.html one of the demo videos]] for the [[RealTimeStrategy RTS]] game, ''VideoGame/{{Achron}}'', they build a mech, then send it back in time to destroy the factory that built it. The way the game handles this is pretty interesting since it involves "time waves" and a point in the past where time manipulation is impossible. Time waves sweep through the timeline from past to future and, to quote the [[http://www.achrongame.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page wiki]], "a time wave is what makes the past affect the future". So, when a time wave hits the time the factory was destroyed, the factory simply gets destroyed and the mech survives. When the next time wave hits, the mech will be destroyed because the factory doesn't exist in the future and the factory survives and so on. The "final" version of the event is the one when the event hits the point where time is immutable. [[MindScrew You know what, just watch the video.]] |
| 172 | * In ''VideoGame/ChronoTrigger'', Marle disappears from existence due to her being mistaken for her ancestor, Queen Leene, who was kidnapped at the time she landed in the past. Since everybody stopped looking for Leene because they thought they had found her, she was killed, thus causing Marle to not exist. Fortunately, Leene hasn't been killed ''yet'', so our heroes are able to go rescue her, which allows Marle to exist again. While this is clearly a grandmother paradox, everyone seems to remember that she existed, at least long enough for her to cause herself to have never existed. |
| 173 | * In ''Videogame/PokemonMysteryDungeonExplorers of Time/Darkness/Sky'', [[spoiler: the player character traveled back in time from a BadFuture to change the past. When they succeed, they have just enough time to say one last goodbye to their partner before they fade away.]] Ultimately averted, as the lack of RetGone makes the point moot. |
| 174 | * One of the death scenes in ''VideoGame/TimeGal'' has [[PlayerCharacter Reika]] fire her gun into a bunch of cavemen -- and promptly dematerialize because she just shot one of her ancestors. |
| 175 | * In the true ending of ''[[VideoGame/TheKingOfFighters The King of Fighters XIII]]'', [[spoiler: Ash]] stops his time traveller ancestor [[spoiler: Saiki]] from returning to the past after losing the fight to the player. Soon after, [[spoiler: Ash]] fades away taking [[spoiler: Saiki]] with him. |
| 176 | * In ''VideoGame/SpaceQuest 5'', anything that causes Beatrice's death will cause Roger to cease to exist. She is the eventual mother of his son, who saved Roger's life in the previous game. No Bea means no son, no son means Roger was never saved. The death screen will explain this each time. |
| 177 | * Invoked in ''VideoGame/BioShockInfinite'' [[spoiler:at the story's conclusion: Elizabeth travels back in time and kills Booker, her own father, before her conception in every possible timeline, thus forcing the universe to block off all branching timelines where Booker becomes Comstock who kidnaps Booker-from-another-universe's daughter Anna who grows up to become Elizabeth and develops reality-warping and time-traveling powers as a result of her dimension shift. In this way, the only timelines that are left are the ones where Anna/Elizabeth grows up peacefully with a never-baptized, never-be-Comstock Booker]]. |
| 178 | * In the ''VideoGame/RType'' games, a fanmade theory inspired by the obscure points of the plot, features the main antagonists the Bydo Empire (a race of biomechanical creatures that can directly control technology), created by humans as a ''[[TurnedAgainstTheirMasters weapon in the future]]''. The theory, really shortened, would result in the Bydos understanding how bad and evil their situation was for them. After failing mass suicide different times (because the humans like the player, fighting them, actually made them more powerful), the Bydo would go back in time and destroy humanity when the empire still wasn't created, effectively resulting in a long-term Grandfather's Paradox. |
| 179 | * Mentioned in ''VideoGame/Injustice2'': Reverse-Flash ends up trapped in the present, [[YouCantGoHomeAgain unable to return to his home in the future]], because one of his ancestors died at the hands of the Regime (which the Flash was originally a part of, and whom Reverse-Flash personally blames). |
| 180 | * In ''VideoGame/TheJourneymanProject'' series, it's fairly easy to change something in the past, but, since the DelayedRippleEffect travels only forward in time, it will not affect the time traveler himself, provided he doesn't return before the wave reaches his point of departure. This is also how, in the first game, the [[TimePolice Temporal Security Annex]] keeps a copy of the world history from being overwritten by a time wave. A disk with the copy is kept in the distant past. If a ripple is detected ([[HandWave somehow]]), a time agent it sent back to that period to retrieve the copy, which can be then compared in the present to the history in the Annex's data banks to figure out the point of divergence. This is {{Hand Wave}}d in later games, and the TSA simply knows where and when the change took place without the copy, but an agent still needs to be sent back before the wave hits to avoid him or her becoming part of the new timeline. |
| 181 | * In ''VideoGame/TheForgottenCity'', you go into a portal that sends you back to ancient Roman times, and the man who created the portal asks you to prevent the Golden Rule from being broken. If you ask him how you're supposed to get back, he'll point out that if no one breaks the Golden Rule, he won't have to create the portal, therefore you never travel back in time and will remain in the present. You can help him, or you can just kill him right then and there and prevent him from creating the portal, which sends you back to the present (with the worst ending). [[spoiler:Alternatively, you can get the Golden Rule abolished, so no one ends up breaking a rule that no longer exists.]] |
| 182 | * In ''VideoGame/MortalKombat11'', [[BigBad Kronika]] merges the past timeline with the current one, causing past selves of the current timeline characters to appear side by side. In one scene, Sonya from the past is holding Kano's past self hostage while Kano is holding Johnny's past self hostage at knife point. Kano states that if he kills the younger Johnny, it will mean Cassie would have never been born and would basically die. This gives Sonya a EurekaMoment where she coyly thanks Kano for reminding her of the rules and then shoots Kano's past self in the head. This causes Kano to stumble around in pain until he turns into dust due to his past self being killed. |
| 183 | * ''VideoGame/PathfinderWrathOfTheRighteous'': The True Aeon ending causes [[spoiler:the PlayerCharacter]] to be erased from history because Areelu Vorlesh's experiments in planar science are stopped before they begin, meaning [[spoiler:the PC was never created to begin with]]. |
| 184 | [[/folder]] |
| 185 | |
| 186 | [[folder:Web Animation]] |
| 187 | * A Website/{{Newgrounds}} cartoon "Grandbunny Paradox" made fun of this. It featured a bunny and a stick figure. The bunny went back in time to kill his grandmother and finds himself turned into a sheep, because his grandfather married a sheep instead of a bunny. The stick figure decides to do the same and kills his grandmother only to find himself turned into a tomato. He doesn't like being a tomato so he goes back and shoots the guy who sold him the gun to kill his grandmother... only to find himself now holding grenades. |
| 188 | * ''WebAnimation/TheWrathOfGigaBowser'': Young Link is seen coming face to face with Giga Bowser during the latter's rampage. In the very next scene, the adult version of Link suddenly vanishes. |
| 189 | [[/folder]] |
| 190 | |
| 191 | [[folder:Webcomics]] |
| 192 | * ''Webcomic/BobAndGeorge'': [[http://www.bobandgeorge.com/archives/010325c One more reason to hate time travel!]] (On top of SchrodingersButterfly questions of whether their acts can affect the author.) |
| 193 | * [[Series/MythBusters Adam and Jamie]] decide to put this trope and the MyOwnGrandpa trope to the test when they went back in time in ''Webcomic/IrregularWebcomic''. They botch it up when they accidentally swap grandmothers, making ''each other'' their grandfathers (Adam is Jamie's grandfather, Jamie is Adam's). This ''does'' make them their own great-great-grandfathers, proving that this trope and the MyOwnGrandpa trope is possible. Myth confirmed! Incidentally, the people that ''should'' have been Adam and Jamie's grandfathers themselves went back in time to the Jurassic period, where they were eaten by an ''Allosaurus'' that used the time machine to go to the future and become president. |
| 194 | * A non-grandfather version appears in ''Webcomic/{{Oglaf}}''. A sorcerer is promised the StandardHeroReward for going back in time and curing a devastating plague before it starts, but when he returns, [[http://oglaf.com/chronotherapy/ the plague never happened, so the queen never made the promise]] (this strip is worksafe, [[{{NSFW}} the rest of the comic is not]]). He doesn't press the point, saying he wouldn't believe himself either. |
| 195 | * This is just one of the many problems with trying to exploit TimeTravel in ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}''. The past, present, and future of all of the characters are so intertwined with each other that trying to retcon any of them away would lead to a paradox if it were even possible in the first place. The only way to safely use time travel is to ensure you always complete stable time loops, or ensuring that what has to happen will happen/has happened/continues to happen... Tense is also a problem exploited, by the way... |
| 196 | * When ''Webcomic/SchlockMercenary'', ventured into a TimeTravel arc, they showed [[https://www.schlockmercenary.com/2005-04-03 how it might look]] from the "Grandfather" side of things, only to prove that for the Schlock Universe, there ISN'T a StableTimeLoop in effect. Which is just what they need to save the Galaxy.... [[spoiler:In this particulate case, the 'grandchild' is a VDA probe from the future, and the 'grandfather' is the younger version of the probe.]] |
| 197 | [[/folder]] |
| 198 | |
| 199 | [[folder:Web Original]] |
| 200 | * The short story [[https://www.tor.com/2011/08/31/wikihistory/ "Wikihistory"]] just blithely ignores the paradox. If you travel back to the past and do something that would prevent your birth, then you'll disappear from existence but your effect on the timeline will persist. This is why [[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct going back in time and killing Hitler]] (the main topic of the story) is strictly forbidden: because Hitler's existence is necessary for the invention of time travel, so a successful time-traveling assassin will merely create a new timeline where Hitler is dead and time travel doesn't exist. This ends up biting [[spoiler:[=AsianAvenger=]]] in the rear--[[spoiler:he travels back and assassinates Hong Xiuquan to prevent the Taiping Rebellion, then disappears because Hong Xiuquan was a direct ancestor of his.]] |
| 201 | * PlayedForLaughs during WebVideo/{{Failboat}}'s playthrough of ''VideoGame/PokemonLegendsArceus''.[[https://youtu.be/LEpFnWsOLTE?t=503 When he meets Kamado]], Fail realizes that he is Professor Rowan's ancestor, meaning without him there's no [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl Gen 4]]. Fail then proceeds to [[ScreamDiscretionShot stab Kamado]], with the video then showing Rowan, a copy of ''Pokémon Diamond'', all of Nintendo's videos on ''Pokémon Legends'', and even ''[[BreakingTheFourthWall the very video itself]]'' [[RetGone all fade from existence]]. |
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| 203 | |
| 204 | [[folder:Western Animation]] |
| 205 | * ''WesternAnimation/{{Sixteen}}'': Jude Lizowski misinterprets this in "Bicker Me Not," where after Jonesy accidentally breaks up George and Gracie Bickerson (an elderly couple that's been married for fifty years), Jude reveals that his own grandparents got married fifty years previously (he never clarifies if they were his mom's parents or his dad's parents). However, Jude never met them, "on account of the fact that they were political rebels who went into hiding" before he was born--after the rest of the gang points out that (assuming Jude's grandparents are still alive) they're probably around the same age as the Bickersons, Jude begins to think that George and Gracie are actually his grandparents. This is what leads to Jude misinterpreting the titular paradox: if George and Gracie break up (in the current timeline) and don't get back together, [[CessationOfExistence he'll eventually cease to exist]]. |
| 206 | * In ''WesternAnimation/AdventuresOfSonicTheHedgehog'', one episode in the four episode arc about the Chaos Emeralds starts with Sonic foiling a plot by Dr. Robotnik to prevent his ancestors from marrying and thus eliminate Sonic from the timeline. Sonic succeeds in sending Robotnik packing, but then ''causes the paradox himself'' by ordering a chili dog from his maternal ancestor, causing his paternal ancestor to become impatient waiting to be served and leaves. After Sonic disappears, Tails solves the paradox in about a minute by forcing the meeting to happen. |
| 207 | * Discussed in an episode of ''WesternAnimation/DarkwingDuck'' where Gosalyn uses Quackerjack's time machine to bring three of DW's ancestors to the present. Darkwing starts to consider the potential consequences, leading to an ExplainExplainOhCrap realization. |
| 208 | * In an episode of ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'', Fry goes back to Roswell in 1947 and accidentally gets his grandfather killed in an atomic blast [[DefiedTrope while trying to avert this]]. He doesn't stop existing because he ''also'' ends up doing his grandmother, becoming [[MyOwnGrampa his own grandfather]]. Or, as he puts it, "I did do the nasty in the pasty." [[spoiler:This becomes a key plot point in later episodes, as the extreme inbreeding causes him to have a birth defect that makes him immune to a number of things.]] This also means that, instead of merely being Professor Farnsworth's lateral ancestor (who is descended from Fry's brother), he is also the Professor's direct ancestor. |
| 209 | ** In "Decision 3012," presidential candidate Chris Travers accidentally erases his own existence in the present [[spoiler:(though presumably not in the future)]] this way. [[spoiler:He was sent from a BadFuture to get himself elected instead of Nixon and avert the timeline in question. [[DelayedRippleEffect When he succeeded, he also prevented himself from having been sent back]].]] |
| 210 | --->'''Bender:''' It's politics 101. |
| 211 | * Lampshaded in an episode of ''WesternAnimation/InvaderZIM'', by [[MinionWithAnFInEvil GIR]] [[SmartBall of all people]]. Perhaps because of this trope, [[VillainProtagonist Zim]] finds himself unable to actually kill [[HeroAntagonist Dib]] in the past. |
| 212 | -->'''GIR:''' Wait, if you destroyed Dib in the past, then he won't ever be your enemy, ''([[LogicBomb short circuits]])'' then you won't have to send a robot back to destroy him...and then he ''WILL'' be your enemy, so you ''WILL'' have to send a robot back--''([[YourHeadAsplode head explodes]])'' |
| 213 | * ''WesternAnimation/ThePenguinsOfMadagascar'' "It's About Time" has a variation in that it's the ''time machine'' itself that trying to be destroyed by the time traveler which results in the paradox. Kowalski invents a time machine called the Chronotron. However, a Kowalski from the near-future appears before Private and tells him the Chronotron will cause TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt, and as NeverTheSelvesShallMeet is in effect, he needs Private to stop his past self and destroy the machine. ''However'', another Kowalski appears before Skipper and tells him that the Chronotron must remain because it's key to the universe's survival (because without it he can't go back in time) and needs his help to keep it safe. As it turns out, present Kowalski seeing his two future selves is what causes the RealityBreakingParadox, which results in rampant LampshadeHanging of the StableTimeLoop in effect. [[spoiler:Ultimately, Rico solves the problem by throwing the Chronotron into the time-space continuum rift after the other two Kowalskis have used it to destroy the former and shut the latter. Kowalski-B thus becomes the Kowalski they know.]] |
| 214 | -->'''Kowalski:''' I never should have created this Chronotron. I had no idea. But Private! He understands! I'll go back in time and talk to Private! He'll stop me before any of this happens!\ |
| 215 | ''Screaming, Kowalski leaps into the now functioning Chronotron possibly back the other past, leaving Kowalski-A and Kowalski-B behind.''\ |
| 216 | '''Kowalski-A:''' Yep, and that's how I got here.\ |
| 217 | '''Private:''' Huh. It's kind of ironic. If you hadn't created the Chronotron then you couldn't have gone back in time to tell yourself not to make it.\ |
| 218 | '''Kowalski-A:''' Fenneman's fellies! A paradox! I've got to make sure that I do invent the Chronotron! Skipper! I'll go back in time and talk to Skipper! He's the only hope for the universe!\ |
| 219 | ''Screaming, Kowalski-A jumps into the Chronotron possibly back to the other past, leaving Kowalski-B behind.''\ |
| 220 | '''Kowalski-B:''' Yup. And that's how I got here.\ |
| 221 | '''Private:''' So... we're back to just one Kowalski?\ |
| 222 | '''Kowalski-B:''' Affirmative. |
| 223 | * In the final episode of ''WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack'', Jack finally manages to travel back to his own time and kill Aku. Unfortunately, [[spoiler:since his love interest, Ashi, was Aku's daughter, she ends up ceasing to exist. Cruelly, [[DelayedRippleEffect she seems perfectly fine until their wedding day]], when she suddenly collapses, realizes Aku would have never fathered her, then vanishes in Jack's arms]]. According to WordOfGod, however, the GoldenEnding of the tie-in video Game ''VideoGame/SamuraiJackBattleThroughTime'' [[spoiler:where this is specifically averted through a hiccup of the universe, most likely from the Gods themselves finally cutting Jack some slack]] is the true canon ending; even if it does leave open questions like it being an alternate timeline separate from the show's ending, most fans don't care and happily accepted it. |
| 224 | * The ''WesternAnimation/TimeWarpTrio'' episode, “Dude, Where’s My Karma?”, has Joe’s uncle, Mad Jack, go back in time to prevent their ancestor, Prince Karna getting engaged with Princess Lakshmi and ends up with Joe and Jody being faded away. |
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| 228 | * While this paradox is almost always associated with time travel, it is actually also a [[Analysis/FasterThanLightTravel consequence of faster than light travel or communications]]. The problem is that when a signal travels faster than light, it is possible for the signal to travel faster than the action that caused the signal to be sent. An example would be telling someone to not fire a bullet that you see would hit you. How could you tell them to not fire the bullet if your telling them would prevent you from seeing it and thus telling them? |
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