| 1 | ->''"I really didn't say everything I said."'' |
| 2 | -->-- '''Yogi Berra''' |
| 3 | |
| 4 | When there are important gaps in a work's {{Canon}}, there are a few ways that they can be filled in (short of within the work proper, which would just be additional Canon). |
| 5 | |
| 6 | * Sometimes, creators say stuff about important gaps in canon. This is WordOfGod. |
| 7 | * Sometimes, people close to the creator say stuff about important gaps in the canon. That's WordOfSaintPaul. |
| 8 | * If Word of neither God nor Saint Paul is available, fans will often make stuff up themselves to fill in important gaps in canon. This is {{Fanon}}. |
| 9 | * Sometimes, a FandomVIP, creator of an adaptation or LooseCanon work, or other independent authority makes an assertion about the gaps in the canon, creating influential and high-profile {{Fanon}} which may be mistaken for canon. This is WordOfDante. |
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| 11 | Unfortunately, the fine distinction can be hard for info-hungry fans to spot. Sometimes, false information on canon is wrongly attributed to the creators or original work. Other times, God or Saint Paul ''did'' say it, but fans misunderstood what they meant. Whatever the case, it leads to GossipEvolution, and only later do people realize ''God Never Said That.'' |
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| 13 | Subtrope of CommonKnowledge and MandelaEffect. God Never Said That differs from BeamMeUpScotty in that the latter is about things ''characters'' never said or did, while this one is more about lore and behind-the-scenes trivia. Compare UrbanLegends and PopCultureUrbanLegends, which propagate themselves by similar means. |
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| 15 | This is occasionally what happens when the line between {{Fanon}} and {{Canon}} is blurred. |
| 16 | |
| 17 | Note that while [[WordOfGod God's]] words can fall victim to this trope, it also applies to human authors who are gods of the worlds they create. |
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| 21 | !!Examples: |
| 22 | [[index]] |
| 23 | * GodNeverSaidThat/AnimeAndManga |
| 24 | * GodNeverSaidThat/VideoGames |
| 25 | * GodNeverSaidThat/WesternAnimation |
| 26 | [[/index]] |
| 27 | [[foldercontrol]] |
| 28 | |
| 29 | [[folder:Comics]] |
| 30 | * ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'' editor Axel Alonso fell victim to this when, addressing the controversy over the new lead Miles Morales, stated that maybe one day a gay character could even be introduced without it causing an uproar. This caused mass speculation that Miles Morales was going to be both mixed ''and'' gay, and that his best friend Ganke was going to be his love interest. This had to be debunked multiple times just because one quote got taken out of context. |
| 31 | * ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' comics |
| 32 | ** [[http://sonicwrecks.tumblr.com/image/101178208442 This image]] made the rounds on Tumblr, purporting to be a TakeThat from Creator/ArchieComics's ''[[ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogArchieComics Sonic]]'' comic at the new character designs in the ''Sonic Boom'' [[WesternAnimation/SonicBoom cartoon]] and [[VideoGame/SonicBoom games]]. Actually, it was part of a fan-produced comic distributed at a British FanConvention dedicated to ''ComicBook/SonicTheComic'' - the animal showing Sonic his ''Boom'' design is a fan character created by one of the convention's Kickstarter backers, and Sonic's indifference to the ''Boom'' design is consistent with his characterization in that comic. |
| 33 | ** When ''ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogArchieComics'' was officially cancelled in 2016, the most common reason cited was as a direct consequence of Ken Penders lawsuit regarding the characters he created for the comic. While it's likely to have at least played a part, no one from Archie has ever cited it as the ''definitive'' reason as to why the comic was cancelled. |
| 34 | ** Even on this Wiki there were quotes that, at a convention, one of the writers said Amy and Tekno from ''ComicBook/SonicTheComic'' were a couple. This quote doesn't exist, and Lewis Stringer, one of the writers in question, has actually stated that he wrote ''Shortfuse'' and Tekno as a couple, despite never making it explicit in the pages of the comic itself. This confusion wasn't helped when another writer, Nigel Kitching, would write a story for the fan continuation ''WebComic/SonicTheComicOnline'', which heavily implied that Amy and Tekno really did get together after all. |
| 35 | ** Tangle the Lemur from ''ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogIDW'' has never been explicitly confirmed to be a lesbian or in a relationship with Whisper the Wolf. The closest they've come is Evan Stanley saying that her [[ShrugOfGod sexuality doesn't matter as fans]] would love her either way, and Ian Flynn [[ApprovalOfGod expressing support for the pairing]], but noting that Sega prohibited [[NoHuggingNoKissing any romantic relationships in the comic]], regardless of sexuality. |
| 36 | * Former Marvel Comics editor-in-chief Joe Quesada is said to have defended the critically panned ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' storyline and his own role in it by saying something to the effect of "Fans can't relate to ComicBook/SpiderMan having a hot wife; they can relate to Aunt May walking in on Spider-Man downloading porn," among other statements indicating that [[ThisLoserIsYou he does not have a high opinion of his public]]. These statements have never been sourced. |
| 37 | [[/folder]] |
| 38 | |
| 39 | [[folder:Fan Works]] |
| 40 | * ''Website/{{Uncyclopedia}}'''s article on Creator/PeterChimaera insisted that he had a fic in the works entitled ''Fanfic/QuarterLifeHalfwayToDestruction''. When he eventually published a fic by that name, he referenced the article, and clarified that "dontn't know where come but [[AscendedFanon I decide to write anyway]]". |
| 41 | [[/folder]] |
| 42 | |
| 43 | [[folder:Films -- Animation]] |
| 44 | * ''WesternAnimation/BeautyAndTheBeast:'' The Beast [[NoNameGiven is never given a name]] in the film, though many fans will tell you that he's called "{{Adam|AndOrEve}}" [[AllThereInTheScript in the commentary]]. Actually, the commentary just mentions that [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHyrv_uP2fI they forgot to give the Beast a name]]. Even though "Adam" ''has'' [[AscendedFanon sneaked its way into]] into a small handful tie-in media, such as a computer trivia game called ''The D-Show'', the Beast continues to not have an official name with Disney continuing to make a point of calling him just "the Beast" or "the Prince". |
| 45 | * Being to video games what ''[[Film/WhoFramedRogerRabbit Roger Rabbit]]'' was to classic Western animation, ''WesternAnimation/WreckItRalph'' has a ton of cameos from real video game characters. A number of Creator/{{Nintendo}}-owned characters and references show up, but [[Franchise/SuperMarioBros Mario]] himself didn't get a direct cameo, only a verbal reference. A rumor spread like wildfire that Mario didn't get in because Nintendo demanded too much money, and that the director said so. As it turns out, this is ''patently'' false. In a [[http://www.firstshowing.net/2012/video-interview-wreck-it-ralph-director-rich-moore-on-mario-more/ video interview]] (around 15:30) with [=FirstShowing.net=], director Rich Moore debunks the rumor, positing that it grew out of a joke John C. Reilly made at [=Comic-Con=] when he said "[[LesserStar Luigi]] wants more money than Mario." In reality, the creators [[http://www.gamesradar.com/wreck-it-ralph-9-amazing-things-you-couldnt-possibly-know-about-movie/ were able to use Mario]]; they just didn't know what to do with him. They felt that he was too important a gaming icon for a short gag, but were unable to figure out a bigger role in the narrative that he could have, so they chose to forego him. |
| 46 | * The voice actress for [=GoGo=] Tomago from ''WesternAnimation/BigHero6'', Jamie Chung, stated that [[WordOfSaintPaul she thinks]] that [=GoGo=]'s name is "something plain, like Ethel, Marge or Patty". This quickly warped into "[=GoGo=]'s VA said that her real name is Ethel". |
| 47 | * ''Franchise/TheLionKing'': |
| 48 | ** It's been circulated that someone on the ''WesternAnimation/TheLionKingIISimbasPride'' team clarified on Facebook that Zira adopted Kovu and that Kovu is an orphan, but no quote exists. This confusion probably exists because of a separate, similar quote: The film's director, Darrell Rooney, has noted on Facebook that Kovu isn't ''Scar'''s son (something mentioned in the film itself). |
| 49 | ** It's been repeated in the fandom that Kiara's scrapped twin brother Chaka was [[ArrangedMarriage engaged]] to a female cub named either "Timira" or "Kirijah". Despite this, there's never been any source on this info and no one involved on the project seems to remember her. The closest source listed is a "Dan T. Guyton" but no one by that name worked on the film. |
| 50 | ** Producer Don Hahn once made an off-hand statement in an interview that was misconstrued and widely spread through clickbait headlines as a claim that Mufasa and Scar weren't actually brothers, causing an uproar over such a blatant {{Retcon}}. What he actually said was that ''in real life'', Mufasa and Scar would not be brothers because of how actual lion prides operate (related male lions drive each other out for control of the pride, and will kill each other's cubs to ensure that only their genetics are spread). This context was dropped when reported on, and director Rob Minkoff had to clarify that Mufasa and Scar are indeed brothers. |
| 51 | * Despite claims otherwise, no one at Disney has said that Lady is in heat during ''WesternAnimation/LadyAndTheTramp'' and that the strays that attack her were trying to rape her. |
| 52 | * ''Franchise/{{Frozen}}'': |
| 53 | ** In 2015, director Chris Buck jokingly claimed that he likes to think King Agnarr and Queen Iduna survived their shipwreck, ended up in the jungle and became [[WesternAnimation/{{Tarzan}} Tarzan]]'s parents. Many fans took this as canon, even though it's not really consistent with the two films' details (Tarzan's parents look different from the king and queen, they escaped from a burning ship, not just a sunken one, the time periods don't match up, and they already had baby Tarzan with them, whereas Queen Iduna showed no sign of being pregnant when she and the king left on their voyage). Those who spread this statement as proof of that this theory was true also conveniently left out that Buck went on to say that he imagined that the films also take place in the same continuity as ''WesternAnimation/SurfsUp'', a film from Sony Animation also directed by Buck, demonstrating that it was meant in jest, since officially making that in the same universe as the two Disney films would otherwise probably result in a legal disputes, given that two different studios are involved.\ |
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| 55 | In 2019, Buck finally confirmed that his comment was only meant as a joke. This was further supported in ''WesternAnimation/FrozenII'', where it's revealed that [[spoiler:the ship was en route to Ahtohallan, which is in the North Sea and not in Africa, and Agnarr and Iduna were sailing there to find answers to where Elsa got her powers when the ship sank.]] |
| 56 | ** A persistent belief among some fans, due to an alleged "leak" from an early screening, is that ''WesternAnimation/FrozenII'' [[spoiler:originally had a deeply BittersweetEnding with Elsa KilledOffForReal instead of only suffering a DisneyDeath, but that the ending was changed after [[FocusGroupEnding test audiences disapproved]].]] There has been no hint of this whatsoever from either the Walt Disney Company or the movie's creative team. |
| 57 | [[/folder]] |
| 58 | |
| 59 | [[folder:Films -- Live-Action]] |
| 60 | * Creator/GeneRoddenberry has been cited as declaring one ''Franchise/StarTrek'' movie or another as CanonDisContinuity. The closest he got was disapproval with most any movie that wasn't ''Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture'' and calling ''Film/StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier'''s canonicity "uncertain". And even then, it tended to be just minor elements. For example, he reportedly disapproved of a "No smoking" sign being visible on the Enterprise bridge in one of the films. Nevertheless, to this day there are fans absolutely convinced that he declared this or that film as non-canon. |
| 61 | * Creator/GeorgeLucas has occasionally, and admittedly, changed his mind about some things about the ''Franchise/StarWars'' saga (which, let's be fair, is a saga that has gone on for several ''decades''), but he has gained a largely unfair reputation of [[FlipFlopOfGod shifting his ground willy nilly]] about every topic under the sun which is based on a combination of misquotes, false rumors, and misunderstandings of things he actually did say. |
| 62 | ** There have been claims that George Lucas [[FlipFlopOfGod is all over the place]] with regard to the canonicity of the ExpandedUniverse, alternating between calling it canon and not. Actually, he's been pretty consistent in calling it an alternate universe. This was later rendered irrelevant after Creator/{{Disney}}'s purchase of the franchise, as they relegated the entire Expanded Universe as non-canon unless otherwise stated (and the entirety of said universe designated with the [[Franchise/StarWarsLegends "Legends"]] tag). Various parts of the Legends material have been gradually re-canonised though, much to the delight of the fans of the era. |
| 63 | ** Lucas supposedly changes his position on how many movies there were originally supposed to be every other week. The official position is that, at his most ambitious, he wanted twelve, but, realizing it was unfeasible, decided on nine. At some point very early into the original trilogy he realized that he did not want to make nine movies, and incorporated the sequel trilogy into ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi''. In interviews he refers to his planning process in all its stages, leading to the confusion. |
| 64 | ** There were rumors that he said Jar-Jar Binks died on Alderaan, which he publicly dismissed. |
| 65 | * Creator/GuillermoDelToro is often cited as having confirmed that the fantasy elements in ''Film/PansLabyrinth'' were real. While he said he personally believes it was real, he does not consider this to be canon and meant it to be ambiguous so the viewer could come to their own conclusion. He noted that he’s often approached by fans who claim he “proved” that the magic was either real or in Ofelia’s head, and he tells them that he proved neither. |
| 66 | * The Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse, being an extremely large franchise known for making not-well-known-characters into the stars of multi-million-dollar, blockbuster films, is constantly plagued by this -- especially because it makes good clickbait. Creator/NathanFillion will cameo as Ant-Man in ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}''! [[note]]He didn't, but did cameo as... a blue guy in the first ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy2014''[[/note]] Adam Warlock will be in ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol2''! [[note]]He was mentioned, but not shown, in the stinger; something the rumor mills would not have predicted.[[/note]] Phil Coulson will return in ''Film/IronMan3''/''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier''/''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron''/''Film/AntMan1''/''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar''! [[note]]He didn't, not until ''Film/CaptainMarvel2019''[[/note]] The ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'' and ''Series/{{The Defenders|2017}}'' will be in ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'' and ''Film/AvengersEndgame''/Kevin Feige has said the TV and Netflix characters aren't ever coming to the movies! [[note]]Feige never said the latter, and the only television character to appear in either of those films was [[spoiler:Edwin Jarvis from ''Series/AgentCarter'']][[/note]]. ''Film/SpiderManFarFromHome'' had an out of context MythologyGag from a trailer that was misconstrued to make it seem like the MCU was changing its Earth 199999 designation to the comic universe's Earth 616 which wasn't true. [[note]] Mysterio told Peter in the trailer that he was from 616 but turns out that [[spoiler: Beck wasn't even FromAnotherDimension. He was just a liar.]][[/note]] And so on. |
| 67 | ** Likewise, Kevin Feige never declared Marvel Television non-canon; the closest he's come has been bragging that the Disney+ era would see more connection between the plots of the movies and television shows. |
| 68 | * Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse: |
| 69 | ** The franchise is referred to by that name by many people... except by Creator/WarnerBros and DC Comics themselves. It turns out the name was a joke that came from an article written by Keith Staskiewicz for ''Entertainment Weekly'' in July 2015. It's only two years later that Abraham Riesman of ''Vulture'' learned from DC Films executives that it's not the official name for that shared universe. It didn't prevent some of the people involved like Creator/EzraMiller from referring to it by that name or "DCEU". WB themselves usually use "DC Films" which is the official name of the subsidiary of the studio headed up by Walter Hamada and his team. However, Creator/HBOMax refers to it as DC Extended Universe since early 2020, so it became official somewhere. |
| 70 | ** Between November 2017 and May 2020, a number of fans assumed that there was a completed director's cut of ''Film/{{Justice League|2017}}'' that was ready to be released based on comments by Creator/ZackSnyder, while others made more educated guesses that it wasn't one hundred per cent finished.[[note]]Snyder left production after completing principal photography when his daughter died. The subsequent movie received multiple reshoots and was re-edited to deviate from his original vision.[[/note]] In actuality, Snyder mentioned that there were multiple cuts but none of them had totally completed VFX and post-production work. When it was finally confirmed in May 2020 that ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague'' would be released on Creator/HBOMax, the release date was slated for 2021 to allow time to complete the effects and other needed post-production work. |
| 71 | * Very early on, it was rumored that Creator/MattReeves' ''Film/{{The Batman|2022}}'' would be a PeriodPiece set in TheNineties, and this became such a ubiquitous talking point that many websites began reporting it as fact. However, Reeves himself never said that; the idea that the movie was set in the 90s began due to fans assuming it would be a prequel to ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'', with Creator/RobertPattinson merely playing a younger version of Creator/BenAffleck's Batman from the previous movies. However, as time went on, it became increasingly likely that ''The Batman'' would either be set in a standalone continuity or serve as a ContinuityReboot of sorts, and Reeves eventually debunked the whole 90s theory when saying it would explore what Batman would be like if he'd been conceived in the present day. In the film itself, it's quite obvious it's meant to be set in the present day, since smartphones, the internet, and live-streaming are all relevant to the plot. |
| 72 | * It's a very common misconception that ''Film/SpyKids'' and ''Film/{{Machete}}'' take place in the same universe. Except they don't. All that was ever said about the films being connected was Creator/DannyTrejo jokingly stating it in one interview, saying that "Machete Cortez in ''Machete'' is what Machete Cortez in ''Spy Kids'' does when he's not taking care of the kids." Creator/RobertRodriguez shut down this theory by stating in a Reddit AMA that ''Spy Kids'' and ''Machete'' are separate universes. |
| 73 | * ''Film/PulpFiction'': |
| 74 | ** Fanon holds that the person who keyed Vincent's car, which he complains to Lance about, was Butch, having motive (being insulted by Vincent but unable to fight him because of Marsellus). All it takes is a bit of FridgeLogic to disprove this: How would Butch know which car is Vincent's? Further proof is fleetingly provided during Vincent & Lance's discussion: Vincent begins the conversation by saying, "''You know what happened the other day?''", which given that Vincent and Butch first interacted with each other only that morning, rules Butch out as the doer. Nobody even bothered to ask Quentin Tarantino about that little story detail before it started circulating. |
| 75 | ** The fan theory that the briefcase contains Marsellus Wallace's soul is sometimes misattributed to Tarantino himself. |
| 76 | * No one involved in the production of ''Film/JurassicWorld'' ever said that they were giving the second and third film the CanonDiscontinuity treatment, and in fact, the viral marketing of the film heavily referenced the events of those two films. This didn't stop many reviewers from erroneously stating that the fourth film had erased the previous two sequels from existence, to the point where some viewers even complained that the filmmaker's were contradicting themselves when the latter sequels directly referenced those films. |
| 77 | * No one involved in the production of ''Film/JurassicWorldDominion'' said that it would be the last film of the franchise. What Trevorrow ''did'' say is that it will conclude the character arcs of the stars from the original series (Dr. Grant, Dr. Sattler and Dr. Malcolm) and the ''World'' series (Owen and Claire), which meant that it could effectively be considered the end ''to that era'' of the series. However, both he and producer Frank Marshall have independently confirmed that there are plans to continue the series beyond ''Dominion'', albeit with different human protagonists. |
| 78 | * The press release for ''Film/NoTimeToDie'' announced that the new 007 would be played by Creator/LashanaLynch, a black woman. This led to accusations of AffirmativeActionLegacy and/or outright racism and misogyny from the social media peanut gallery. The studio (as well as people with basic reading comprehension) had to clarify that it didn't say she was becoming ''James Bond''. Rather, Bond had retired from active service at the very end of ''Film/{{Spectre}}'', and she was assigned his former agent number. |
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| 80 | |
| 81 | [[folder:Jokes]] |
| 82 | * Reportedly UsefulNotes/JosefStalin was once asked, at one of his conferences (Tehran or Yalta) with UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt and UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill, how he knew that he would become ruler of the Soviet Union. Stalin says that God came to him in a vision and told him so (let's forget he was a staunch atheist for the purpose of the joke, or say he said so [[SarcasmMode jokingly]]). FDR turns to Stalin, and says, "Now wait a minute Joe, [[AnswersToTheNameOfGod I never said any such thing]]!" |
| 83 | [[/folder]] |
| 84 | |
| 85 | [[folder:Literature]] |
| 86 | * Creator/GeorgetteHeyer wrote many books, but only one (''Literature/TheReluctantWidow'') has been adapted into a film. That adaptation bore little resemblance to the book, so some fans assume Heyer hated the film so much that she refused to allow any others. Some even go as far as claiming she wrote this refusal into her will. In reality there's no evidence of this. Heyer sold the film rights to several of her other books and it seems to have been just plain bad luck that prevented them being adapted. And she made no anti-adaptation stipulations in her will, so there's nothing to prevent a filmmaker from buying the rights to any book they want to adapt. |
| 87 | * Plenty in the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' fandom: |
| 88 | ** There used to be a rumor about a gratuitous sex scene in [[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows the last book]]. Everyone heard that rumor (''from'' everyone else), and all the sources claimed to have heard it straight from [[Creator/JKRowling the author]]. A video on Website/TheOnion about Rowling including a date rape in an upcoming ''Potter'' book may have had something to do with the rumor. |
| 89 | ** It was rumored that Rowling had confirmed ''Harry Potter and the Green Flame Torch/Pillar of Storge/Fortress of Shadows'' as the title of books six/seven. She responded by suggesting ''Harry Potter and The Toenail of Icklibogg.'' |
| 90 | --->'''J.K.:''' I am trying very hard not to feel offended that anyone thought this was possible. 'Storgé', for crying out loud. Come on, people, get a grip. |
| 91 | ** There was an article Harry/Hermione {{shipp|ing}}ers would sometimes cite which claimed Rowling had said Harry would develop "more of an interest in pal Hermione" in book 5. Nobody was able to trace this to an actual interview, and it ended up being {{Jossed}}. [[http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/rumours_view.cfm?id=21 More information here.]] |
| 92 | ** Rowling never said that she may have subconsciously let the name "Harry Potter" from the ''Film/{{Troll|1986}}'' series seep into [[Literature/HarryPotter her story]], regardless of what WebVideo/{{Phelous}} or any number of other people may tell you. What she actually said is that she took the name "Potter" from a family she was friends with as a child, and "Harry" simply because she has always loved that name. |
| 93 | ** In 2016, she published a story about how there are eleven ''prestigious'' Wizarding schools in the world but explained that are plenty of smaller ones as well. Some people have squabbled with the fact that Europe has three but the continents of Africa, South America, and North America have one each. Japan has one as well, leaving four of those locations unknown. She never said that there were no schools in say, continental Asia, just that there wasn’t one with a storied history while also leaving the door open for one (or more) of the undisclosed schools to be there. |
| 94 | ** There's a quote floating around on the Internet which confirms the {{fanon}} belief that Nagini is the snake Harry set free from the zoo, specifically ''"Yes, it’s rather funny, really, that next to no one realized the snake that Harry set free in ''Philosopher's Stone'' turned out to be Voldemort's final Horcrux, Nagini."'' It's completely untrue. [[SomewhereAHerpetologistIsCrying There's also a scientific hole in the theory, incidentally.]] Harry set a boa constrictor loose, which in [[Film/HarryPotter the movies]], was a [[AdaptationSpeciesChange Burmese python]]. Neither one is venomous or has fangs. Nagini is and does. |
| 95 | ** There are persistent rumors that Rowling said "In a fight between a wizard and a muggle with a shotgun, [[MugglesDoItBetter the muggle will win every time]]." This quote has never been traced, and whether muggles or wizards would win is a continuing debate. |
| 96 | ** Rose/Scorpius {{Shipp|ing}}ers will often claim that Rowling has confirmed that Rose and Scorpius eventually ended up together. She hasn't. When last we saw the characters in the play ''The Cursed Child'', Scorpius had an unrequited crush on Rose and that's all we know. |
| 97 | ** A really old one that people love to misquote, but Rowling never actually said that people were delusional if they ship Harry/Hermione; that was the owner of Mugglenet.com, Emerson Spartz. |
| 98 | ** In February 2014, Rowling gave an interview where she commented that Ron and Hermione would have a rocky relationship, but probably be happy after marriage counseling. A preview of the interview took that section out of context, and the press quickly twisted it into "Rowling says she should have put Hermione with Harry instead of Ron" (Harry was barely even mentioned in the interview). Naturally, ''fans'' then twisted this into "WordOfGod has declared that Harry and Hermione are actually canon, DistantEpilogue be damned." An often overlooked segment of the interview is Rowling stating that the Ron/Hermione pairing was WishFulfillment on her part, Hermione being an admitted AuthorAvatar - the obvious implication being that ''Rowling herself'' would choose Ron. |
| 99 | ** Rowling is often quoted on saying that Lord Voldemort was born physically incapable of loving because he was conceived under the effects of a love potion. What she actually said was that him being conceived under artificial love is supposed to ''[[RuleOfSymbolism symbolise]]'' his lack of understanding for love, not that it actively caused it. In the same interview, she goes on to note that he would have turned out differently if Merope had lived and raised him herself, which instantly contradicts the often Rowling-cited notion that Voldemort was born inherently evil. |
| 100 | ** Certain fans are fond of accusing Rowling of having said that autism could be "cured" with magic. What she actually said was that magic can easily cure non-magical illnesses, but magical injuries and diseases were more difficult (which is to say, this is why a wizard can overcome the flu with a simple potion, but potentially die of dragon pox). Autism, being a developmental disorder, is not the same as an illness. |
| 101 | ** On the old version of her website, Rowling had an entire section called the "Rubbish Bin" devoted to debunking rumors about both herself and the ''Harry Potter'' series. [[https://web.archive.org/web/20111220200909/http://www.jkrowling.com:80/textonly/en/rubbishbin.cfm It can still be viewed in archived form.]] |
| 102 | ** In another spot on her website, Rowling debunked the common belief that she'd said she originally wrote ''Philosopher's Stone'' on napkins, explaining that it was written on ''notepads''. It didn't help that even the ''author biography in some editions of the books'' repeated the "napkins" idea. |
| 103 | ** Many people also seem to believe that Rowling said she had originally planned to have Hermione end up with Fred Weasley. She never did. |
| 104 | ** In 2019, a post by entertainment magazine ''Complex'' went viral that took something she said about Dumbledore and Grindelwald way out of context. It said she said they had an “intensely sexual relationship” which took two separate things she said and put them together. She said it was intense and that there was a sexual element to it, she didn’t say the sexual part was intense. She was accused of fetishizing it. However, if you actually watch the interview it’s from, she goes out of her way to say she’s not really interested in the sexual side, she was more interested in the clash of two equals side. |
| 105 | * Many fans of ''Literature/TheTwilightSaga'' have claimed that Creator/StephenieMeyer ruled out vampires being able to have children. Meyer herself claims she only said that ''female'' vampires couldn't have children but got misinterpreted. She ''did'', however, say that all fluids in a vampire's body turn to "venom," later redacting this to all fluids ''except semen''. |
| 106 | %%Please, No Natter. |
| 107 | * In one interview, Stephenie Meyer supposedly said that she was going to write a book about "[[NinjaPirateZombieRobot time-traveling mermaids]]." If you listen to the clip it's clear that she's listing "time travel" and "mermaids" as ideas that she's considered, she just speaks a bit quickly so that it comes out sounding odd. |
| 108 | * Due to the complicated mess that resulted in the wake of Creator/LSpragueDeCamp's additions to the ''Franchise/ConanTheBarbarian'' mythos, many things which were introduced with De Camp or others are mistakenly attributed to Robert E. Howard, the creator of Conan. Some of these include: |
| 109 | ** The idea that Howard said Conan and the Hiberno-Norman warrior Cormac Fitzgeoffrey, who is stated to be 6'2" and 210lbs, were "physical doubles." This myth is even referenced on [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conan_the_Barbarian#Appearance The Other Wiki]]. Not only is this very interesting factoid ''[[http://www.thecimmerian.com/?p=4445 completely absent]]'' from Howard's letters, notes and stories, but the very numbers are incorrect--Cormac is a fraction of an inch over 6 feet, and 200lbs. |
| 110 | ** Howard's Hyborian Age is often placed in 10,000 BC, give or take a millennium or two, as established by L. Sprague De Camp in the later Conan novels and stories. In fact, Howard never dated the Hyborian Age at all, but he did date the Thurian Age (the time period of his other barbarian king Kull of Atlantis) as 100,000 BC. Calculating the centuries that pass in the "Hyborian Age" essay, one can place the age of Conan in any period from 90,000 BC to 10,000 BC. |
| 111 | * There is a rumor among fans of ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'' that some notes of Robert Jordan's were uncovered after his death that stated he would have to change [[spoiler: Asmodean's killer (Mazrim Taim, who would in turn be revealed as just an alias for the Forsaken Demandred) because too many people had figured it out.]] This is only partially true; he did initially intend for [[spoiler:Taim to be revealed as a disguise for Demandred and in his earliest notes on the subject seem to be suggesting that he killed Asmodean. However, these notes were apparently from a time before he had even published the book in which Asmodean was killed (''The Fires of Heaven'') or either of the characters Demandred or Taim had been introduced (''Lord of Chaos'').]] While he evidently did change his mind about these story and character directions, it doesn't appear to be due to "too many readers figuring it out" as no readers would have had a chance to read those plot elements yet. Also, the fact is that from the time of ''The Fires of Heaven'''s publishing, Jordan insisted that readers had already been given all the clues necessary to solve the mystery (and at least one person actually did), so it wouldn't make much sense to suggest that the [[spoiler:killer had yet to even be introduced at that point]]. |
| 112 | * The ''Literature/DragonridersOfPern'' fandom mostly believes in the veracity of Creator/AnneMcCaffrey's infamous "Tent Peg" interview, in which she states that anal penetration will instantly turn a man gay, by way of explaining how riders of green and blue dragons can all be gay. However there's no actual evidence that it's more than an internet legend. She did, however, espouse similar, if much ''much'' milder ideas in her [[http://www.dragonridersclub.com/drmain/ammsg.html "Renewable Air Force" essay]]--in which she says green dragons tend to pick males with more feminine personalities and blues tend to pick {{Straight|Gay}} and {{Manly Gay}}s. |
| 113 | * Happens all too frequently in the ''Literature/WarriorCats'' fandom: |
| 114 | ** Often people in the fandom claimed that author Victoria Holmes said that Brambleclaw would not succeed Firestar as [=ThunderClan=] leader. In reality, she said that the leader after Firestar "might be unexpected", and noted later that her editor made her change who the leader would be. |
| 115 | ** She is also cited as saying that Ivypool and Bumblestripe would hook up, when she actually told a fan that they could support whatever shipping they wanted to. |
| 116 | ** Vicky is cited as saying that cats can't be named "Moon-" or "-moon" because the moon is too sacred to cats. It's not. Never are the characters shown worshipping the moon and the quote said the exact ''opposite''. The real reason for this decision is that using "moon" as a prefix or suffix makes that cat seem more important or attractive than the other cats in their clan. [[FlipFlopOfGod Even this rule was abolished]], with characters like "Ambermoon" being introduced in future books. |
| 117 | ** There are no official "naming traditions". No author has never mentioned it and it has never been stated in-universe. The only names not allowed were the before mentioned "moon" names (which later began being used) and "Hammerclaw" (Tigerclaw's original name before it was noted feral cats don't know what hammers are). |
| 118 | * ''Literature/TolkiensLegendarium'': |
| 119 | ** A common myth is that, as a toddler, Creator/JRRTolkien was bitten by a poisonous spider in South Africa, causing him to develop a phobia about them. Therefore many of his works feature giant, malevolent arachnids, including the spiders of Mirkwood, Shelob, and Ungoliant. However, [[http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Spiders#Inspiration this]] article proves the incident was no inspiration whatsoever to the spiders. In fact, Tolkien admitted to having no dislike for spiders at all and even rescued them if they fell into the bath. However his youngest son Michael was afraid of them and Tolkien took inspiration from that when writing ''The Hobbit''. |
| 120 | ** It's common for people to claim that Tolkien made some kind of explicit statement, whether in the books or by WordOfGod in one of his letters or interviews, to explain [[JustEatGilligan why the Fellowship didn't just use the Eagles to fly the Ring into Mordor]]. In fact, the closest thing he ever said on the subject personally was in a letter regarding a potential film adaptation, where he rejected the idea of the characters using the Eagles to fly to the Misty Mountains--and not for reasons of practicality, but from a perspective of drama (he felt it demystified them, made their nature as a StoryBreakerPower all the more apparent, and made the impact of their big moment in ''Return of the King'' far less impressive). Additionally, though there are hints here and there in the books for why the characters can't just use the Eagles this way, no character actually steps up and explains why. Even in a scene where the characters are [[SimpleSolutionWontWork bringing up and shooting down alternative plans to deal with the Ring]] (destroying it by some other means, leaving it to the keeping of the apparently-immune Tom Bombadil, throwing it into the sea), nobody suggests the Eagles, despite Gandalf having described his rescue by them only a few minutes earlier. There are certainly lots of reasons why that plan would be likely to fail, but most of them are extrapolated by fans rather than put on the page. |
| 121 | * Various detractors of the PRT and Director Piggot in ''Literature/{{Worm}}'' have cited a supposed quote from Wildbow saying that if Taylor had joined the Wards, discovered Sophia was also a Ward, and reported Sophia's bullying to Piggot, Piggot would have told Taylor to "suck it up". What Wildbow actually said was that Sophia would be taken off patrol, constantly monitored, and stuck on public relations duty, but because the PRT had spent months promoting Shadow Stalker as the prime example of a reformed vigilante, they wouldn't be able to take her off the Wards entirely without undoing that work. |
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| 123 | |
| 124 | [[folder:Live-Action TV]] |
| 125 | * Many, many for ''Series/Charmed1998'': |
| 126 | ** The most popular rumour was that Prue was only killed off because both Shannen Doherty and Alyssa Milano offered the producers an ultimatum that one of them would have to go. Both actresses have denied this repeatedly over the years, with Shannen Doherty actually saying that she'd wanted to leave the show for a while, and just didn't get "the call" until after Season 3 was over. She maintains that she felt Prue had run her course as a character and was pushing for her to be killed off. |
| 127 | ** Was Chris supposed to be Phoebe and Cole's KidFromTheFuture until Holly Marie Combs's sudden pregnancy necessitated a rewrite to make him Piper's son? Not only does that theory contradict the show's logic (since he's part whitelighter, Phoebe's literally the only sister he ''couldn't'' be descended from, unless his whitelighter powers had been stolen or faked somehow), but executive producer Brad Kern said he was always intended to be Piper's son, and that Holly's pregnancy was "convenient timing". Drew Fuller, who played Chris, admits to not knowing his true role until halfway through the season, which is likely where this rumor started. |
| 128 | ** A rumour was that the Season 7 finale, "Something Wicca This Way Goes?" had two endings filmed depending on whether the show would be renewed for Season 8 or not. Holly Marie Combs refuted this, saying they only had the budget to film one ending. Brad Kern likewise clarifies that the episode was written to [[SeriesFauxnale potentially serve as a finale]] in a worst case scenario, but was left deliberately open-ended if they were renewed. |
| 129 | ** The introduction of Billie Jenkins in Season 8 was intended to set up a spin-off and for her to be a new MsFanservice because the three lead actresses refused to wear skimpy clothes anymore? Brad Kern again says that Billie's introduction was mainly the network demanding new faces for Season 8 (along with Agent Murphy, Coop, Henry and Christy), and to allow for the three leads to have a little less screen time. Holly Marie Combs also said that she and the others had no such qualms about wearing the skimpy costumes. |
| 130 | * ''Series/DoctorWho'': Jenny was originally supposed to die at the end of ''[[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E6TheDoctorsDaughter The Doctor's Daughter]]'', only for Russell T Davies to rewrite the episode so that she survives and [[AndTheAdventureContinues goes off to travel the stars]]. It's often claimed that Steven Moffat requested this, but this is just a rumor, all he said was that Davies had a habit of creating interesting characters then killing them off, and was very surprised when he changed his mind because of it. |
| 131 | * Prior to the airing of the pilot episode for ''Series/FearTheWalkingDead'', the actress who played the undead Gloria gave an interview to Comicbook.com in which she believed that "everything started with Gloria". The site and many other news outlets, including Metro Newspapers, Hitfix and fansites, took this to mean that Gloria was the first walker ever created (Patient Zero), and ran stories to this effect. However, Gloria is not the first walker in the series - in the pilot, Tobias tells Madison Clark the morning after Nick's encounter with Gloria that he has heard reports of the dead coming back to life in five states, showing that the dead were reanimating before Gloria was infected. Yet, this hasn't stopped some fans from still believing this to be the case. |
| 132 | * ''Series/{{Lost}}'': |
| 133 | ** The producers never said that the show would never have time travel. They once said that the then-ongoing Season Two had no time travel -- and it ''didn't'' -- but never that there would ''never'' be time travel. Additionally, they never stated that there was one huge clue left in the pilot -- in fact, they explicitly said there ''wasn't'', and the last one to be made significant was the single white tennis shoe Jack found. Yet this is repeated to this day. |
| 134 | ** In an example of "Word of Mistaken God," an excellent way to see if someone is making something up about a producer comment is to see if they attribute it to Creator/JJAbrams, who has had little involvement in the series since season 1, helping to set it up, write and direct the pilot, and contributing to only a very few episodes since (the last being in S3). |
| 135 | ** They also didn't "lie" about the Purgatory theory - The fandom mistakenly believes that they said Purgatory would ''never'' be involved in the show, and claim that the fact that the series ended in Purgatory meant that they lied; or else they believe that the characters' explanation that ''the Flash-Sideways and the church'' are Purgatory means that the ''entire series'' since the crash was Purgatory; neither of which is the case. ''Only'' the Flash-Sideways and the church were Purgatory; the time the characters spent on the Island was real and happened before they got back to the outside world and eventually died of the usual causes, with the Flash-Sideways happening once they were dead. |
| 136 | * ''Series/NinjaTurtlesTheNextMutation'' was notorious because of the unpopularity of the fifth female turtle Venus de Milo, who was despised by ''Franchise/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles'' co-creator Peter Laird so much that she was barred from making appearances in any other continuities for the rest of the duration that the franchise was in his hands. After Nickelodeon obtained the rights to the franchise, many of Venus's detractors who wished for Venus to remain ExiledFromContinuity cited both co-creators hating the character as a reason for why she shouldn't return, though the other co-creator Kevin Eastman has actually stated openly in [[http://www.monkeysfightingrobots.com/kevin-eastman-talks-tmnt-2-comic-death-and-venus-de-milo-awesome-con an interview]] after Nickelodeon's acquisition of the franchise that he actually likes the character and hopes for her to someday make a comeback. |
| 137 | * ''Franchise/StarTrek'' is notorious for this sort of thing, though it can get complex because often "fan-created canon" or "fanon" overlaps with the mistaken belief that "God" originally said something-or-other. |
| 138 | ** Just one example occurred with ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' which raised the ire of some fans for establishing a Vulcan serving with Starfleet, when the belief was Spock was the first. Many claims were made that the series violated established on-screen canon in this regard... until members of one of the Star Trek fan forums actually went back through all the televised episodes and movies and could find no such reference to Spock being the first Vulcan in Starfleet. (In fact, the existence of an all-Vulcan ship — USS ''Intrepid'', NCC-1631 — in the original series, in the episode "The Immunity Syndrome", establishes that Vulcans in Starfleet are not especially new or unusual.) |
| 139 | ** Another aspect of that series that fans responded to with great ire was that "Kirk's ''Enterprise''" (the one commanded by Robert April, Christopher Pike and Kirk) was "the first" ship to bear that name, and thus Archer's ''Enterprise'' breaks canon merely by existing. While it is arguably a retcon, and YMMV if it was an ill-advised one or not, Kirk's ship was generally described as the first ''Federation Starship'' to be christened ''Enterprise''. It was already established in ''Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture'' that Kirk's ship wasn't even the second ''spacecraft'' to carry the name. |
| 140 | *** The scene in question shows a line of frescos on a wall of various ships that were named ''Enterprise'', including the seafaring frigate, the aircraft carrier and the space shuttle. Also included is a mysterious ship that has never been elaborated on, but has been seen in other background photos. While some suggest the absence of Archer's ship on this wall is further proof of its non-canonicity, the fact is that the wall frescos don't even come close to showing all of Earth's ''Enterprise''s, even those that existed at the time. |
| 141 | ** One could write a book on all the various non-canon ideas that ''Franchise/StarTrek'' fans routinely believe are canon, but one of the least talked about is a belief among fans that humans of the 24th Century have learned how to "always get along" and never fight with each other. Because of this, they tend to bash ''Deep Space Nine'' and ''Voyager'', or even declare them not canon, because of the very concept of the Maquis, and other instances of humans fighting with humans. They cling to this even though ''The Next Generation'' never shied away from human-vs-human conflict. What Creator/GeneRoddenberry actually said was that humans have learned to rise above "petty bickering", but even he understood that there would always be legitimate issues that would cause conflict between humans. |
| 142 | *** This example has been referenced in mainstream press, especially around the release of ''Series/StarTrekDiscovery'', as factual, and showrunner Aaron Harberts has discussed [[https://www.themarysue.com/star-trek-discovery-changing-roddenberrys-no-conflict-mandate/ tossing out the so-called rule]] as a way of marketing the new show. |
| 143 | ** Among numerous other things Roddenberry supposedly said, one was that only he could create ''Star Trek''. In this case, there is some historical basis for the quote, which was actually "It's not ''Star Trek'' until I say it's ''Star Trek''", but in context, this quote was referencing his habit of staying up until all hours of the night re-working scripts until they met his satisfaction. As for whether or not he thought of himself as the only man who could produce "real" ''Trek'' (an argument often used to excise various films or TV series from canon), he actually had a lot to say on the subject, and while some is self-contradictory, the main message is that he neither thought of himself as the franchise's sole owner nor did he want it to die with him. He even said he hoped any new additions to the franchise after his death would be considered ''better'' than his. |
| 144 | ** A certain vocal section of the fandom loves to trumpet nowadays that Roddenberry "always saw Kirk and Spock as a romantic couple" or that he "would have made Kirk and Spock gay lovers if he could have", and of course, because Roddenberry "said" this, it can now be considered canon that Kirk and Spock were indeed one another's true love. This actually comes from an interview Roddenberry did with Sondra Marshak and Myrna Culbreath, two infamous "super-fans" who championed the idea of Kirk and Spock as lovers. To some, Roddenberry's answer was confirmation that he considered their story a romance. In actuality, the [[https://fanlore.org/wiki/Shatner:_Where_No_Man...real quote]] was more like Roddenberry fumbling for an answer that wouldn't offend, while not actually answering the question. |
| 145 | *** A side note to that was Roddenberry's footnote in his novelization of ''Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture''. For some, it's confirmation that Kirk was queer and saw Spock as his lover. For others, it's an express (though non-homophobic) denial. As it says: |
| 146 | ---->Editor's note: The human concept of friend is most nearly duplicated in Vulcan thought by the term t'hy'la, which can also mean brother and lover. Spock's recollection (from which this chapter has drawn) is that it was a most difficult moment for him since he did indeed consider Kirk to have become his brother. However, because t'hy'la can be used to mean lover, and since Kirk's and Spock's friendship was unusually close, this has led to some speculation over whether they had actually indeed become lovers. At our request, Admiral Kirk supplied the following comment on this subject:\ |
| 147 | "I was never aware of this lovers rumor, although I have been told that Spock encountered it several times. Apparently he had always dismissed it with his characteristic lifting of his right eyebrow which usually connoted some combination of surprise, disbelief, and/or annoyance. As for myself, although I have no moral or other objections to physical love in any of its many Earthly, alien, and mixed forms, I have always found my best gratification in that creature woman. Also, I would dislike being thought of as so foolish that I would select a love partner who came into sexual heat only once every seven years." |
| 148 | * A common misconception about Joe Odagiri is that he hated his role as Yusuke Godai, TheHero of ''Series/KamenRiderKuuga''. This stems from a mistranslated interview, [[http://tokusatsunetwork.com/2016/03/15074/ as noted here]] - while he ''does'' dislike Tokusatsu as a whole[[note]]most notably, his agency forced him to audition for a part in ''Series/KyuKyuSentaiGoGoV''; the staff asked him to do a pose, which he refused to, so he was rejected[[/note]], and he disliked doing ''Kuuga'' at the time[[note]]this was because he had passed the audition, and at the time, his only other option aside from playing Godai was to quit acting and leave his agency[[/note]], looking back, he does not regret his time playing the part. The only reason that the part isn't listed in his profile on his agency's website (the removal of said part is what started the rumor) is because it wasn't his debut - Odagiri himself says that there are other roles he did at the time that aren't listed either, and since ''Kuuga'' wasn't his debut, they can't give the part special treatment. |
| 149 | * ''Series/PowerRangersMegaforce'': Does Bigs have a powerup called "Ultra Scmultra" [sic]? No, it was actually an error made by FANDOM. In reality, that was actually an insult Bigs made, and the misspelling came from a ''Morphin Legacy'' video title. |
| 150 | * ''Series/TheUmbrellaAcademy'': Before the announcement that Season 4 would be the show's last, many fans seemed to be under the impression that the creators intended to have eight seasons, in correspondence to the eight planned issues of the comic book. In actuality, there is no such proof that this was going to be the case, with showrunner Steve Blackman even stating after the release of Season 3 that if they ever got to make a fourth season, it would be the end of the show's storyline. |
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| 152 | |
| 153 | [[folder:Multiple Media]] |
| 154 | * ''Toys/{{Bionicle}}'': |
| 155 | ** Writer Greg Farshtey used to actively invoke this in the fanbase, as he's been known to "confirm" or "reject" plausible theories in order to throw fans off the trail of his actual plans; and when called on it would point out the ExactWords in his original statements. Greg also did this in relation to the series' UniverseBible. In response to fan complaints that the franchise [[DoingInTheWizard diminished its mystical elements]] (which in itself was true) and supposedly ruined its magical themes by demystifying them, he pointed out that nothing in the franchise's working notes was described as "magic". Greg would also remind fans that one of the series' main themes was characters being wrong, so their beliefs and understanding of their world didn't always reflect the writers' intent. |
| 156 | ** Franchise co-creator Bob Thompson was often quoted saying ''Bionicle'' had been planned ahead for twenty years, with a total of seven "books" or grand story arcs. On the brand's 20th anniversary, ten years after its discontinuation, Bob clarified he never meant it literally. He had ideas that ''might'' have been enough for twenty years of stories, but apart from a few pre-planned mysteries, the story was mostly made up on the fly, with plans constantly changing. The "seven books" were just a nice-sounding concept that was abandoned after a certain point, not something the writers aimed to achieve. Greg is partially to blame for this misconception, as he mentioned the "seven books" idea in his early correspondence with fans, paraphrasing what he had heard from Bob. |
| 157 | * Unfortunately true for the Franchise/{{Nasuverse}}, due to the large amount of untranslated extra materials leading to certain fans making up plausible theories and passing them off as truths. |
| 158 | [[/folder]] |
| 159 | |
| 160 | [[folder:Music]] |
| 161 | * A common rumor is that Trent Reznor of Music/NineInchNails reportedly claimed that Music/JohnnyCash's cover of "Hurt" is either "the perfect cover" or "better than the original". Neither is true, as he said that listening to Cash's cover was like he had lost his girlfriend because it wasn't his anymore. While this may suggest that he thinks Cash's version is superior, he goes on to clarify that the two versions are "different - but every bit as pure". |
| 162 | * The following hilariously pretentious quote about the true meaning of Music/{{Radiohead}}'s "Street Spirit (Fade Out)", attributed to frontman Thom Yorke, has been floating around the Internet since at least the early 2000s, [[https://old.reddit.com/r/radiohead/comments/g7ncm2/thoms_infamous_quote_about_street_spirit_fade_out/ despite the fact there's zero evidence he ever actually said it:]] |
| 163 | -->''"Street Spirit" is our purest song, but I didn’t write it. It wrote itself. We were just its messengers; its biological catalysts. Its core is a complete mystery to me, and, you know, I wouldn’t ever try to write something that hopeless. All of our saddest songs have somewhere in them at least a glimmer of resolve. Street Spirit has no resolve. It is the dark tunnel without the light at the end. It represents all tragic emotion that is so hurtful that the sound of that melody is its only definition. We all have a way of dealing with that song. It’s called detachment. Especially me; I detach my emotional radar from that song, or I couldn’t play it. I’d crack. I’d break down on stage. That’s why its lyrics are just a bunch of mini-stories or visual images as opposed to a cohesive explanation of its meaning. I used images set to the music that I thought would convey the emotional entirety of the lyric and music working together. That’s what’s meant by ‘all these things you’ll one day swallow whole’. I meant the emotional entirety, because I didn’t have it in me to articulate the emotion. I’d crack… Our fans are braver than I to let that song penetrate them, or maybe they don’t realise what they’re listening to. They don’t realise that Street Spirit is about staring the fucking devil right in the eyes, and knowing, no matter what the hell you do, he’ll get the last laugh. And it’s real, and true. The devil really will get the last laugh in all cases without exception, and if I let myself think about that too long, I’d crack. I can’t believe we have fans that can deal emotionally with that song. That’s why I’m convinced that they don’t know what it’s about. It’s why we play it towards the end of our sets. It drains me, and it shakes me, and hurts like hell every time I play it, looking out at thousands of people cheering and smiling, oblivious to the tragedy of its meaning, like when you’re going to have your dog put down and it’s wagging its tail on the way there. That’s what they all look like, and it breaks my heart. I wish that song hadn’t picked us as its catalysts, and so I don’t claim it. It asks too much. I didn’t write that song."'' |
| 164 | * It is CommonKnowledge that Music/DonMcLean has offered specific interpretations of his classic song "Music/AmericanPie". However, aside from [[http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/02/01/mclean.buddy.holly/ tacitly acknowledging]] its homage to Music/BuddyHolly, the singer has [[ShrugOfGod always avoided doing this]], leaving the interpretation up to the listener. |
| 165 | [[/folder]] |
| 166 | |
| 167 | [[folder:Newspapers]] |
| 168 | * ''L'Osservatore Romano''-- a perpetual source. Just because the newspaper of Vatican City pans ''{{Film/Avatar}}'' does not mean that ''the Pope'' condemns it. It's just a newspaper; it's not an official statement of dogma by the Church. |
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| 170 | |
| 171 | [[folder:Role-Playing Games]] |
| 172 | * During the Adventurers' Island StoryArc in ''Roleplay/DinoAttackRPG'', [=PeabodySam=] was careful to never confirm OOC which temple was actually the Maelstrom Temple, deliberately invoking this trope to keep his fellow players from guessing his true intentions until TheReveal. |
| 173 | * Within ''RolePlay/WeAreAllPokemonTrainers'' there have been many instances of claims being made regarding statements about the [=WAAPTverse=] that have turned out to have never been said. |
| 174 | * In anticipation of the release of version 3.0 of ''Roleplay/NoPixel'', rumors began circulating that characters that had been killed off could return in 3.0. However, no public statement about it was ever made by the server administrators, and Koil (the server owner) later stated in a Discord voice chat that dead characters would indeed remain dead in 3.0 (for the time being). |
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| 176 | |
| 177 | [[folder:Web Animation]] |
| 178 | * ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'': |
| 179 | ** Volume 5 is already the most disliked season of the show, but some reasons that got touted shortly after release were fans claiming that they were promised the return of fan-favorite character Neopolitan and that we'd meet Pyrrha's parents, neither of which happened. The creators went on to clarify that they only said Neo would return ''soon''; Volume 6 would feature both a dedicated subplot for Neo and a oneshot appearance by someone heavily hinted to be Pyrrha's mother. |
| 180 | ** Samantha Ireland, Nora's voice actress, said during a convention before Volume 7 that Nora would get interesting content in relation with her backstory. This caused people to assume she said that Nora would be getting her backstory in the Volume, leading to blowback when this supposed backstory never surfaced. |
| 181 | ** Opponents of pairings between two or more of the eponymous team's members will quote Creator/MontyOum as saying that he imagined them as being close in platonic, "sisterly" ways, the implication (or outright statement) being that it would go against his vision. However, no proof that Oum ever said anything like this has surfaced as of yet. |
| 182 | * Creator/AlanMoore is often said to have liked ''WebAnimation/SaturdayMorningWatchmen'', even though no one has ever been able to provide any kind of tangible proof of this being true. Dave Gibbons did enjoy the short, and it seems like people have simply conflated this with Moore enjoying it as well. |
| 183 | * In ''WebAnimation/TheAnnoyingOrange'', some viewers thought that Marshmallow's gender was already confirmed to be male due to Marshmallow being referred as he/him in [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness earlier videos]] despite the RunningGag (both in-universe and out-of-universe) of being asked whether Marshmallow is a boy or a girl without a clear answer multiple times. This was proven wrong in "PRIDE". ''No, Marshmallow isn't female either!'' |
| 184 | ** When one of the viewers notified Daneboe and his crew at a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X7e5WjDClI?t=33m02s live video]] that Wikipedia stated that Marshmallow is a boy, Daneboe shrugs it off saying that he did not confirm such a thing. |
| 185 | [[/folder]] |
| 186 | |
| 187 | [[folder:Webcomics]] |
| 188 | * ''Webcomic/StandStillStaySilent'' had a huge fandom uproar when it turned out that an [[WordOfGod authorial statement]] in TheRant had been widely misinterpreted by the fans, leading the fandom to believe that there would be no named character deaths. This turned out to be false. The author released a statement saying that she was sorry for stringing her fans along for so long, but that the only way to debunk the rumor was to spoil the majority of the main StoryArc. |
| 189 | [[/folder]] |
| 190 | |
| 191 | [[folder:Real Life]] |
| 192 | * UsefulNotes/CharlesDarwin gets this a lot. Oftentimes, things that Häckel or Huxley said are attributed to Darwin. Huxley being especially notable, having earned the name "Darwin's Bulldog" vociferously defending evolution, because Darwin was too shy and too afraid to defend his theory himself. The big one is that Darwin didn't use the word "evolution" (a misnomer that has caused problems) to refer to the process he explained, though "evolved" is the last word of his book. He called it "descent with modification". [[TheSocialDarwinist Social Darwinism]] even has his name tacked on it, even though he was dismayed by his theories being misused in social context, in extremely unscientific ways. Even today people from both sides talk about eugenics like Darwin had anything to do with the practice, which he in fact opposed. When the idea of intentional "improvement" of humanity through selective breeding was first brought up (the term eugenics had yet to be coined), Darwin referred to it as "utopian" (as in impractical or unrealistic). It's also a concept that far predates his time, as it was advocated by Creator/{{Plato}} in ''Literature/TheRepublic'' based on ancient Sparta's practice for instance. Selective breeding of plants and animals is as old as agriculture. |
| 193 | * This caused a stir when Creator/HalleBerry's Website/{{Wikipedia}} page was edited with a quote from her that said "this new album will show people that [she] can do more than act". A number of news websites then reported that Berry was branching out into music, which caused Berry herself to report that she had no plans to do so. |
| 194 | * With the relaunch of Creator/{{VH1}} Classic as Creator/{{MTV}} Classic, it has been touted as being a return to MTV's musical roots. Neither Viacom, nor the MTV division itself ever made any such claims. |
| 195 | * In a famous incident, Christian fundamentalists started burning [[Music/TheBeatles Beatles]] merchandise when John Lennon's statement about the band being more popular than Jesus Christ was misinterpreted as them being ''[[BiggerThanJesus bigger]]'' than Christ. Lennon's statement was intended as a TakeThat to excessive fan worship and he would clarify "I never said we were better than Christ or greater than Christ. I'm just saying we're more popular." To this day, some have yet to be mollified. (Lennon becoming a vocal anti-theist in his later life doesn't help matters here, though he insisted [[JesusWasWayCool he was a big fan of the man personally]].) |
| 196 | * Bill Gates supposedly said in 1981 "640K[B] ought to be enough for anybody.", which when the personal computer took off would eventually proved a very short number (by 2008, a computer had up to 128 GB of memory!). However, [[https://www.computerworld.com/article/2534312/the--640k--quote-won-t-go-away----but-did-gates-really-say-it-.html the quote seems all but apocryphal]], with Gates even stating in a 2001 interview "Do you realize the pain the industry went through while the IBM PC was limited to 640K?" while adding that IBM's RAM had to be pushed up from 512K following much pressure from software developers. |
| 197 | * "Creator/JohnSteinbeck once said that socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires," only he didn't really. It's telling that this quote, apparently first used by Ronald Wright, is repeated verbatim rather than anything directly from Steinbeck. The quote this is most likely based off of reads "I guess the trouble was that we didn’t have any self-admitted proletarians. Everyone was a temporarily embarrassed capitalist," but the context was rather different. He is talking about [[BourgeoisBohemian open socialists from affluent backgrounds]] and goes onto say: "Maybe the Communists so closely questioned by the investigation committees were a danger to America, but the ones I knew—at least they claimed to be Communists—couldn’t have disrupted a Sunday-school picnic." |
| 198 | * Ancient writers are often victims to this, since there is a lot of time for people to make up quotes. For example, the ancient Christian writer John Chrysostom is quoted as saying this about women; ''"What else is woman but a foe to friendship, an unescapable punishment, a necessary evil, a natural temptation, a desirable calamity, a domestic danger, a delectable detriment, an evil of nature, painted with fair colours!"'' Only problem is that this quote doesn't come from any of Chrysostom's writings, but from the ''Literature/MalleusMaleficarum'' (Part I, Question VI). He cites Chrysostom's comment on Matthew xix (19), but if you check Chrysostom's comment on it (Homily LXII on Matthew), he says nothing of the sort. |
| 199 | * In the Canadian Armed Forces, an ''infamous'' one is the "rule" that "toques must be worn with gloves" that is unanimously enforced on pretty much any base in Canada. So much so that when the dress regulations were amended in 2022, it ''specifically'' mentioned that toques may now be worn without gloves. However, there actually never was a rule that demanded the wearing of gloves with toques, and the only mention of toques anywhere in the dress regulations is [[https://www.canada.ca/en/services/defence/caf/military-identity-system/dress-manual/chapter-2.html Chapter 2.17 Winter Dress]], which only states that toques may only be worn "when winter dress is in effect". However, almost everyone in the CAF has been yelled at at least once by a superior rank for not having their gloves on with a toque. |
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