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10	[[caption-width-right:349:[[MultipleChoicePast Let's just say you should take this one with a grain of salt.]]]]
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12	->''"I always wanted a fire truck when I was little. I never got one. That's why I'm evil, heheheheheh!"''
13	-->-- '''Zorak''', ''WesternAnimation/CartoonPlanet''
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15	The writers have a villain, and they want to give that character some depth. The obvious solution is to PetTheDog. Unfortunately, that tends to make the character less scary, causing BadassDecay and VillainDecay.
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17	Instead, writers may keep the villain (especially TheSociopath) just as vile as before, but reveal that they have a reason for being that way. The most popular one is the Freudian Excuse: the villain had an [[DarkAndTroubledPast abusive and particularly violent backstory]] (such as AbusiveParents, [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer being bullied by peers]], [[RapeAsBackstory being raped in the past]], etc.), making them insane and warping their perception on the universe, and that's why they're sociopathic {{Serial Killer}}s going on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge, or why they [[SuicidalCosmicTemperTantrum want to destroy everything out of their misery]], or why they're {{Straw Nihilist}}s who adhere to TheSocialDarwinist philosophy that it's a CrapsackWorld where MightMakesRight. Sometimes, this is done for deliberate BadassDecay, but usually it isn't. The villain is as horrible as ever, only now the audience can look at them in a new way.
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19	Unfortunately, just like a PetTheDog moment, the Freudian Excuse sometimes fails to give a villain any depth at all. If the villain is particularly evil, it can come across as an illogical and lame NonSequitur: "his [[AbusiveParents father]] beat him, and [[DisproportionateRetribution that's why he's an]] OmnicidalManiac." Even if the villain's crimes are proportionate, the writers have to strike a hard balance. Too much emphasis on the excuse, and it looks like they're attorneys justifying the villain. Too little, and it is a fallacious [[UsefulNotes/LogicalFallacies Appeal to Pity]] that looks like a ridiculously gratuitous scene of {{Wangst}}. However, this can in turn be highlighted in-story if the other characters point out that FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse. In the case of the CompleteMonster, it fails to justify anything, merely explaining their origins and nothing more. It could even be used to make the character ''worse'', since they know how awful it is to be treated horribly yet inflict pain on others anyway while rejecting the possibility of ever getting over their trauma and changing their ways.
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21	Most importantly, the Freudian Excuse does not involve the character growing or changing; it explains why they haven't changed, and in fact, often serves as a signal that they cannot and ''[[BeyondRedemption never will]]''. Bad writers often think that the excuse can substitute for CharacterDevelopment, but it does the exact opposite. Good writers know the excuse has limits, and watch them. If done well enough, it may lead the audience to CryForTheDevil or even straight-up turn a near-CompleteMonster into a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds. A Freudian Excuse is often invoked to explain how someone who UsedToBeASweetKid became such a monster instead - again, much writerly skill is generally needed to pull this off and make it poignant rather than pathetic.
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23	The excuse can be played with in many ways. One way is to use it to show how ''pathetic'' a villain is -- after the villain gives a BreakingSpeech, a hero's [[ShutUpHannibal classic rebuttal]] is "says the guy who became an EvilOverlord to work out his daddy issues." The second way is for the villain to [[DontYouDarePityMe sneer at the hero's pity for them]], even exploiting it in a fight. (Further, the villain is protesting far too much.) A third way is to simply present it as an ''explanation'' rather than a full excuse. Sometimes the author simply shows what warped the character into what they became without expecting the audience to feel any more sympathetic toward the character- a sort of psychological HowWeGotHere. And a ''fourth'' way is to use the Freudian Excuse as a justification for a HeelFaceTurn; if the villain gets treatment he no longer has any reason to be evil and may pay the heroes back out of gratitude.
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25	Many CrimeAndPunishmentSeries (and DarkerAndEdgier {{superhero}} comics) are notorious for WriterOnBoard stories [[DeconstructedTrope deconstructing]] the Freudian Excuse. At least once per storyline, there will be a slimy psychiatrist or [[AmoralAttorney defense attorney]] who declares that the [[SerialKiller Neck-Chopping Killer]] is merely a victim of circumstances, and it's the hero who should be locked away. These stories tend to end with said psychiatrist or defense attorney getting murdered by the killer, which is depicted as poetic {{Irony}}.
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27	However, not all examples of Freudian Excuses have to involve evil or villainous characters. It can also be used to explain the neurotic behaviors of even heroic or otherwise neutral characters. And sometimes, the Freudian Excuse can work well in sympathizing with a character.
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29	See FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse for deconstructions of this trope, and FreudianExcuseDenial for one particular subversion. See also DarkAndTroubledPast, StartOfDarkness, JerkassWoobie, AbusiveParents, ParentalNeglect, ParentalAbandonment, WellDoneSonGuy, SingleIssuePsychology, TragicBigot, BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil, WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, YouAreWhatYouHate, HeWhoFightsMonsters, and WhosLaughingNow. If the villain is gothic, see GothsHaveItHard. Takes the "It's Nurture" position of the "NatureVersusNurture" argument; for the Nature position, see VillainousLineage. Contrast UpbringingMakesTheHero.
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31	JustForFun/NotToBeConfusedWith FreudWasRight, AllPsychologyIsFreudian (or any of the other five or so Tropes that UsefulNotes/SigmundFreud was the TropeNamer for, actually.)
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33	'''Please note that the trope deals only with traumatic experiences in childhood or adolescence. Being raped or losing one's job or family as a fully formed adult is not a Freudian Excuse.'''
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37	!!Example subpages:
38	[[index]]
39	* FreudianExcuse/AnimeAndManga
40	* FreudianExcuse/ComicBooks
41	* FreudianExcuse/FanWorks
42	* FreudianExcuse/{{Film}}
43	* FreudianExcuse/{{Literature}}
44	* FreudianExcuse/LiveActionTV
45	* FreudianExcuse/NewMedia
46	* FreudianExcuse/{{Music}}
47	* FreudianExcuse/{{Radio}}
48	* FreudianExcuse/{{Theatre}}
49	* FreudianExcuse/VideoGames
50	* FreudianExcuse/VisualNovels
51	* FreudianExcuse/{{Webcomics}}
52	* FreudianExcuse/WesternAnimation
53	[[/index]]
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55	!!Other examples:
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59	[[folder:Advertising]]
60	* The Angry Whopper from [[Advertising/TheBurgerKing Burger King]] is extra spicy. Why? Because the onions were grown by an [[AbusiveParents abusive farmer]].
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63	[[folder:Asian Animation]]
64	* In Season 7 Episode 13 of ''Animation/HappyHeroes'', after Careful S. breaks his clown mask, Clown Monster reveals why he became a villain -- [[spoiler:it's because he was born with face paralysis that makes him incapable of smiling. He was treated so unfairly over it that it inspired him to make people keep their smiles forever by [[TakenForGranite freezing them into stone]] with his special ruby when he donned the Clown Monster alias]].
65	* In ''Animation/PleasantGoatAndBigBigWolf'', Paddi is notoriously [[BigEater hungry]] and [[{{Sleepyhead}} sleepy]] all the time. Why? Episode 13 of ''Joys of Seasons'' shows that it's because his parents were so lazy they didn't want to play with him. Paddi is also offered a cake by his lazy mother in the flashback; both these things make him wonder if eating and sleeping are as fun as his parents seem to think they are... and, evidently, he ''did'' ultimately find them enjoyable.
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68	[[folder:Stand-Up Comedy]]
69	* Creator/JeffFoxworthy said in one of his acts that he wished someday a psycho-killer would say "My Mama was great, my Daddy was great. I'm just a shithead!"
70	** SerialKiller Jeffrey Dahmer [[https://youtu.be/ErB0R4wlB64?t=220 said as much]].
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73	[[folder:Tabletop Games]]
74	* ''TabletopGame/InNomine'': The Archangel Dominic is infamous in Heaven as the leader of the angelic Inquisition, and for being one of the harshest, most judgmental and most intensely paranoid people in Heaven. Most of these issues are lingering effects of some rather unpleasant experiences during the original Fall and the War in Heaven. Once, long ago, Dominic was a mere word-bound angel and essentially little more than a glorified guidance counselor -- since no angel back then wished to defy God's will, all transgressions were done by accident and needed nothing more than a gentle reminder to be corrected. It was a fairly simple job, and Dominic was innocent and trusting. Lucifer's rebellion shattered his world, and he lost many of his oldest and closest friends to Hell -- chief among them his most trusted aide, the Cherub Asmodeus; this is one of the primary reasons why he refuses to let himself grow close to anybody, since he has come to view emotional bonds as innately dangerous. Additionally, Dominic was also left deeply shaken by the fact that he himself nearly succumbed to Lucifer's temptations; he concluded that, if even the Angel of Judgement could be nearly swayed into damnation, then nobody can truly be above temptation, and to this day remains unable to truly trust anybody.
75	* ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'': Most of the Traitor Primarchs possess one:
76	** Angron crash landed on the planet Nuceria as a child, where he was enslaved by the populace to fight as a gladiator. Part of that process involved the Nucerians shoving archaeotech called the Butcher's Nails into Angron's head, so he could feel no emotion other than rage and suffered constant pain when not killing stuff. Eventually he rebelled and amassed an army of his fellow gladiators, slaughtering their former captors until they were finally cornered. Just before the final battle, [[GodEmperor the Emperor]] appeared to Angron and asked him to join the Great Crusade, which Angron refused. The Emperor wouldn't take no for an answer and teleported Angron up to his flagship, leaving Angron's gladiator friends to die without his leadership. Angron never forgave the Emperor for this betrayal and was one of the first Primarch to turn traitor when the Horus Heresy broke out.
77	** Lorgar Aurelian was raised by an abusive radical named Kor Phaeron, grooming him to overthrow the religious authorities of his homeworld. When the Emperor arrived, Lorgar identified Him as the Messiah he had been preaching about, something the atheistic Emperor took issue with. This finally came to a head when the Emperor ordered the destruction of Monarchia, a temple city that had been the crown jewel of Lorgar's zealotry, and then had the Word Bearers bow to the Ultramarines who carried out the destruction to humiliate Lorgar and get him to fall in line. His faith roughly shattered, Lorgar turned back to Kor Phaeron, who guided him to the Gods of Chaos as an alternate faith to worship.
78	** Mortarion was raised (and abused) by an alien warlord on the planet Barbarus, which was wrapped in a poisonous fog that even the superhuman Primarch struggled with. Eventually he started a revolt, overthrowing all of Barbarus' overlords save his "father". As he climbed the mountain the warlord's fortress was built upon, a mysterious stranger approached Mortarion with an offer of help, which he spurned. Unfortunately for Mortarion the poison was too much, and just before he passed out from exhaustion he had to watch as the stranger revealed himself to be the Emperor and killed Mortarion's father with little issue. Denied his final vengeance, Mortarion gained a grudge against the Emperor that festered until the Heresy.
79	** Perturabo was [[LonelyAtTheTop far too brilliant]] for the rest of Olympia, and thus gained rather poor social skills and a mild obsession with perfection. When he joined the Great Crusade, his Iron Warriors were quickly shoved into the thankless job of siege warfare, with thousands of Legionnaires being fed to the meat grinder so other Legions would get the glory of actually taking the planets. Peturarbo grew resentful of his brothers, especially Rogal Dorn and his Imperial Fists (who got the job Peturarbo wanted, that of building forts and palaces instead of knocking them down), and joined Horus since he seemed to be the only Primarch that gave a damn about him.
80	** Konrad Kurze grew up on the planet Nostramo, a world of perpetual darkness with ridiculously high crime and corruption. This combined with his repressed psychic powers drove Konrad a little nutty, causing him to take up the name "Night Haunter" and become 40K's answer to ''ComicBook/ThePunisher''. His psychosis got worse after he was brought in for the Great Crusade, and by the time of the Heresy he had so much blood on his hands he felt he had no choice but to turn.
81	** Alpharius was discovered near the end of the Great Crusade, and struggled with constant reminders of his brothers' conquests while he had little to show. His constant scheming and planing was an attempt to one-up the others, but only made the other Primarch's distrust of him grow. While the Alpha Legion's alliances are shrouded in mystery, a lot of their villainous acts go back to Alpharius' jealousy towards the other Legions.
82	* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}'':
83	** [[TheChosenOne Archaon]] the [[TheAntiChrist Everchosen]] was a devoted follower of Sigmar... until he realized that he was destined to be chosen by the Chaos Gods to herald the world's destruction. Archaon begged tirelessly to Sigmar to no avail and was soon hunted by his fellow comrades until he finally gave in and turned to become the leader of the [[Characters/WarhammerWarriorsOfChaos Forces of Chaos]].
84	** While jealousy and pride have the biggest impact in [[EvilOverlord Malekith]] turning from an [[FallenHero elven hero]] to the [[FounderOfTheKingdom founder and leader]] of the [[Characters/WarhammerDarkElves Dark Elves of Naggaroth]], another factor was the loss of two individuals close to him; the dwarf Snorri Whitebeard and his wife Allisara.
85	** The [[Characters/WarhammerBeastsOfChaos Beastman]] known as Ungrol Four Horn has a past that is pitiable, given the [[AlwaysChaoticEvil very nature of the Beastmen]]. In addition to be cast aside by human civilization, he was also mocked and treated as a joke by fellow Beastmen, until he finally had enough and killed his clan's chieftain and shaman (a terrible sin by Beastmen standards) and began to make his own group of Beastmen.
86	* ''TabletopGame/WarhammerAgeOfSigmar'': Most followers of Chaos didn't become so exactly willingly; after the Chaos gods defeated Sigmar's armies, Sigmar was forced to close off his realm of Azyr to save it, and anyone who didn't manage to get to a Realmgate in time was left to fend for themselves in the ensuing Age Of Chaos. For those people, swearing loyalty to one Chaos god or another was the only way to survive the post-apocalyptic hellscape the other seven Realms were turning into and more than a few were understandably angry at Sigmar for abandoning them. Now that Sigmar has started reclaiming the Realms from Chaos, he's openly acknowledged that a lot of Chaos worshippers are just desperate people trying to survive, and he's tried to [[TheRedeemer save as many of them as he can]].
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89	[[folder:Web Animation]]
90	* ''WebAnimation/{{Chadam}}'': Viceroy was abandoned by his parents and ostracized by the rest of the community for being born deformed and with no imagination, so he turned to studying, and thus got started on the path to being a MadScientist.
91	* The ''WebAnimation/FatherTucker'' short "Rest for the Wicked" has a scene where Father Tucker warmly reminisces on going camping with a priest named Father Taper when he was young. We then see a flashback of a clearly traumatized Tucker being told by Father Taper not to tell anyone what had happened, which implies that Father Tucker is a PedophilePriest because he himself was a victim of one.
92	* ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'':
93	** Implied with Cinder (whose source of inspiration is Literature/{{Cinderella}}), who seems to be power-hungry and determined to be feared due to being on the opposite end of the stick. Details don't come to light until Volume 8.
94	--->'''Cinder:''' You Atlas elites are all the same! You think hoarding power means you'll have it forever, but it just makes the rest of us ''hungrier!'' ''And I refuse to starve!''
95	** All we ever learn of Adam's past is that he was enslaved by the Schnee Dust Corporation like many other Faunus, and that the ordeal left him with a bad scar-brand over one of his eyes. The show intentionally doesn't go into further detail about it because a FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse.
96	* ''WebAnimation/SpookyMonth'': The leader of [[GangOfBullies the Hatzgang]], Roy, sends Skid and Pump to the spooky abandoned mansion and nonchalantly remarks "That's where my uncle takes me". Ross and Robert can only awkwardly shift away from him after thinking about it, and the next scene with the trio has Roy angrily ask "What do you mean it's ''wrong?!''", indicating Ross and Robert tried to tell him what his uncle was doing wasn't okay. Considering what dwells under that manor and what kinds of people visit it, the implications beyond that are all the more concerning.
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99	[[folder:Web Original]]
100	* ''WebVideo/TheHumanPet'': The last upload reveals Sam's motivation for his kidnapping, murdering and torture is that his parents were horribly abusive to the point of driving him mad.
101	* Parodied in a Creator/RoosterTeeth podcast, in which Gus mentions having a contest with Geoff Ramsay over who could say the most ridiculous thing to get out of signing a petition. Gus was approached by a man wanting to "Save the Trees", and Gus quietly responds "...my father was killed by a tree" before walking off.
102	* ''WebVideo/NarutoTheAbridgedSeries'' spoofs Naruto's FreudianExcuse -- Sakura tells Sasuke she's not interested in Naruto because he's got such a downer background, yet isn't using it as an excuse to be emo.
103	* ''WebVideo/ScreenRantPitchMeetings'': It's implied the Screenwriter is such a depraved {{Cloudcuckoolander}} because of his horrible childhood.
104	--> '''Screenwriter:''' Don't you remember when you were a kid and you'd say "Mother, can I please have some sweet, sweet condensed milk?"\
105	'''Producer:''' Uh....\
106	'''Screenwriter:''' And then she’d say ''[in a suddenly disturbed tone of voice]'' "Not until you've brushed Mother's hair. Not until you brushed it well."\
107	'''Producer:''' It sounds like you had a weird childhood.\
108	'''Screenwriter:''' ''[back to his normal cheery tone]'' Oh dang, that explains a lot.
109	* ''WebVideo/YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries'':
110	** Played with in Kaiba's story... he ''fired'' his own parents.
111	** They also point out the flaw of logic that Dark Marik from ''Anime/YuGiOh'' resents the Pharaoh considering at the time all he did was be dead and remain dead when it was his abusive father who made his life miserable and forced him to be a tombkeeper. Really the Pharaoh being around at all means his job is officially complete and he's completely free.
112	* ''WebVideo/CasualGeographic'': The presenter admits to having a deep and searing hatred of pelicans, which stems from a time when he was attacked and nearly blinded by a pelican as a child.
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