Line #102 HoYay/Batman


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10	[[caption-width-right:350:Not officially the panel that launched the [[MediaNotes/TheComicsCode backlash against 'adult content']] in comics, but it had some unfortunate timing.[[note]]Panel is from Batman No. 84 - April 1954, the same month Dr. Fredric Wertham testified before Sen. Estes Kefauver’s Senate Subcommittee on Juvenile Delinquency and published his anti-comics manifesto ''Seduction of the Innocent''.[[/note]]]]
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15	Lord knows where they got it from, but many people interpret ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'' as having plenty of HoYay. One {{Moral Guardian\|s}} infamously claimed that it was "homosexual propaganda". Some later writers intentionally joked around with this. Reputedly, this (plus [[Series/Batman1966 the spandex-clad TV series]]) is how the name "Bruce" became associated with homosexuality. (Of course, his original ward's name is suggestive enough on its own.) Creator/GrantMorrison claims homoerotic themes have been present in Batman from the beginning. Hell, Website/{{Wikipedia}} ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_Batman_franchise has a page on it]]''.
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19	[[folder:Batman and Robin]]
20	* In the first issue of Harley Quinn's original [[Comicbook/HarleyQuinn solo series]], a theme park is opened, with versions of Batman and Robin. Robin is cast as a curvaceous, pretty young woman, which the producer explains that:
21	-->'''Producer:''' I know some stories say that the kid's a ''guy''--but in a costume like ''[[{{Stripperiffic}} that]]''? C'mon--this is ''family'' entertainment!
22	* Batman refers to Robin as being his "partner", and didn't stop even when "partner" took on the meaning of "lover".
23	* The '''first two pages''' of the 1960s ''Manga/{{Batman}}'' manga have Dick being incredibly angry and offensive just because a random woman starts talking to Bruce at a fashion show.
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26	[[folder:Batman and the Joker]]
27	* Among other things, [[ComicBook/TheJoker Joker]] is occasionally thought to have feelings for Batman that go beyond simple obsession and into romantic obsession. In one scene, he tortures ComicBook/LexLuthor, and Lex Luthor asks him if he is upset that Batman loves Catwoman more than him. Joker looks almost adorably bewildered for a moment before flying into a rage and jacking up the torture level.
28	-->"Joker, does it ever bother you... really bother you... that Batman will always like Catwoman better? Blow up his city all you want, he'll never take you to the prom!"
29	* See also the relationship between Batman and the Joker in the New 52. Artist Greg Capullo says in an interview with the website Comic Book Resources (29th April 2015):
30	-->“In “ComicBook/DeathOfTheFamily,” using [[Creator/ScottSnyder Scott’s]] [the writer's] words, we had a love story – Joker loves Batman.”
31	* In ''ComicBook/DeathOfTheFamily'', Batman has an internal monologue about how the Joker's eyes never change, never revealing anything about his thoughts or emotions. Except for love for Batman.
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34	[[folder:Batman and Superman]]
35	* Taken to truly ridiculous levels in the ''ComicBook/SupermanBatman'' comic series written by Creator/JephLoeb (oh, and [[SlashFic as if that title wasn't putting it in neon lights either]]), in which pretty much every thought-caption that Superman and Batman have about each other is describing the other in the most ludicrously fawning tones about how the other really is the best hero ever, to the point where it nearly isn't funny any more.
36	* Loeb was by no means the first writer to make you doubt the heterosexuality of Superman and Batman. That honor goes to Doug Moench in [[http://the-isb.blogspot.com/2005/11/where-they-went-wrong-superman-and.html ''World's Finest'' #289]], also covered [[http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily/813229.html#cutid1 here]]. It starts off with the two seeking comfort in each other at the Fortress of Solitude one lonely night and Holy Mother of God, does it go downhill from there (or [[LampshadedDoubleEntendre uphill, depending on your point of view]]). It ends with - swear to God - tentacles, and the two of them embracing. And with dialogue like this (emphasis is directly from the comic):
37	-->'''Superman:''' We're like night and day, you and I, and yet we're closer than we realize, '''closer than twins''' because we complement each other... we '''fit''' each other... '''like a hand and glove'''.\
38	'''Narrator:''' They hold the '''grip''' for a long time....
39	** As a commenter said, "I think the only way this would be less subtle without actual porn is if it ended with a tasteful shot of them snuggling in bed together."
40	** [[http://www.cracked.com/article_18957_the-8-most-awkward-sexual-moments-in-comic-book-history.html Cracked.com agrees.]]
41	* In ''ComicBook/BatmanOdyssey'' the framing device is that a [[WalkingShirtlessScene shirtless]] Bruce Wayne is telling the story (along with other nonsensical anecdotes) to an unseen third party who initially seems to be the reader themselves. One could be suspicious of Bruce telling these stories while facing this unknown person with such intense stares, while being shirtless... but then the person is revealed to be Superman. So of course.
42	* {{ComicBook/New 52}}, ''Batman/Superman'' [[https://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/5052656.html #18]]. The villain wants to break Superman's heart by going after the person Superman is going to miss the most if gone forever. Both assume the villain is going after Lois Lane, until the shot hits Batman.
43	* After Batman's "death" in ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis'', Clark and Diana have a talk about how he felt about them. Clark thinks that Bruce only ''just'' tolerated him. Diana's response? Bruce ''loved'' Clark.
44	* What about the numerous times Superman carried Batman, bridal style, throughout their history? Such as [[http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luitohCpQc1qcs3pdo1_500.jpg this]], [[http://pics27.blog.yam.com/19/userfile/l/leona0929/blog/14a95723fcde5f.jpg this]], and [[http://40.media.tumblr.com/54b4cd8afea5ea8114536ade997ddf62/tumblr_nij2kgYBHd1qdskzqo1_500.jpg this]].
45	* In ''ComicBook/DarkNightsMetal'', Clark says he recognises Bruce's heartbeat "almost as well as Lois'" and seems ''overtly'' defensive when he's tricked by Clayface and that ability is called into question.
46	* In ''ComicBook/Superman2023'', when talking to Lois about people whose voices he's trained his super hearing to keep extra focused on people, like his wife Lois, his son Jon, his parents, his greatest enemy Lex Luthor... and Batman. He doesn't even bring it up voluntarily, ''Lois'' makes him say it.
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49	[[folder:Batman and Harvey Dent]]
50	* There's quite a bit between Batman and Harvey Dent - in both the guise of Bruce Wayne and Batman. Many depictions of the two revolve around Batman's guilt over Harvey becoming Two-Face.
51	* In ''The Long Halloween'', when Harvey is suspected of being the Holiday killer, Batman immediately jumps to his defense.
52	* In ''Two-Face: Year One'', Harvey states thats through everything, Bruce was the only person who never abandoned him. Also, when faced with the decision on whether or not to kill Bruce, Harvey ''doesn't listen to the coin''. Mind you, he hasn't done that for any of his canonical love interests.
53	* The comic ''Batman: Jekyll & Hyde'' has moments such as Two-face [[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/625678873048121354/720903127645028422/unknown.png tenderly caressing Batman's cheek]]. It certainly looks romantic out of content.
54	* Later on, Batman begs Harvey to stay with him after Harvey tries to kill off Two-Face for good by shooting himself. Harvey managed to survive the attempt, but Bruce is clearly quite shaken by the event.
55	* The DC Animated Universe is full of it. In the Two-Face two parter, Batman even has a nightmare over being unable to save Harvey.
56	* In a later episode, ''Second Chances'', Batman tells Harvey it's "the coin, or me". And Harvey almost chooses him, before changing his mind and falling after the coin. Batman then proceeds to dive off the building after him. Sure, jumping off buildings is an average Tuesday for the Batman, but it's the thought that counts.
57	* Later on in that same episode:
58	-->'''Harvey:''' Bruce, good old Bruce. Always there. You never give up on me.
59	* The comics based on the animated series and ''The New Batman Adventures'' don't shy away from it either, many of the issues with Harvey involve Bruce visting him weekly at Arkham to keep on track of his recovery. He even pays Harvey's medical bills.
60	* In another issue, when Robin implies Harvey was never close to recovery, Batman responds with this:
61	-->'''Batman:''' You don't know him like I do.
62	* Some other moments from the animated show companion comics include: Harvey saying that even though he wanted to kill Batman, when actually faced with the chance to do so, he doesn't know what to do and can't make sense of it. There's also that time he took a bullet for Batman, and that time Batman jumped out of a plane for him. The fall down involves Harvey clinging to Batman to what certainly looks like a very tight hug (then again, he is clinging for dear life), as Batman promises him that [[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/625678873048121354/725873281521156186/uo3QySQLBht-1EjwQHsEFqu_RQEFCVu_QfuBykLZwIYdpZ009FXWjvgGPlMXM8fvt9pzhtqWkrv7Nws0.png everything will be alright]].
63	* The 2017 animated movie based on the 1960's Batman show, ''Batman vs. Two-Face'', also has quite a bit. The movie includes [[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/625678873048121354/720886914399600640/unknown.png Batman smiling as he takes Harvey's hand]], and [[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/625678873048121354/725953402839891992/unknown.png an exhausted Harvey falling into Batman's arms]].
64	* In the New 52, the two are childhood friends who met at a rehab center for young boys. The young Bruce and Harvey, who at the time, didn't know each other's real names, promised that they'd kill one anothers greatest enemies. The man who murdered Bruce's parents and Harvey's father respectively.
65	* Did anyone mention that [[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/625678873048121354/725954178236809276/unknown.png lingering]] [[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/625678873048121354/725953969284710450/unknown.png shoulder]] [[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/625678873048121354/720887461726650408/unknown.png touches]] seem to be a thing with these two?
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69	* The Bat and the Cat storyline from Batman Confidential. Long story short, Batgirl and Catwoman chase each other all over Gotham for possession of an important notebook. And at one point, [[http://tytempletonart.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/batgirl-2.jpg this]] happens. It certainly does look like angry sex.
70	* In one issue, when having fun with ComicBook/TheCreeper, Joker mentions to him ''"That laugh of yours... It just makes me tingle all over"''.
71	* Maybe it's just something about Batman -- there are even some moments of HoYay between him and Jim Gordon. Such as the scene from ''ComicBook/BatmanNoMansLand''. Tim's right: it ''does'' feel like your parents are fighting. Bonus points when you consider Comicbook/{{Ba\|tgirl}}bs has [[FridgeLogic two dads]].
72	* The relationship between Tim and Dick lends itself plenty to this interpretation. On the one hand you've got ComicBook/{{Nightwing}}, who's unbearably [[IDidntMeanToTurnYouOn friendly]], unbearably [[ChickMagnet handsome]], and unbearably [[BigBrotherMentor cool]]. On the other, you've got [[BadassBookworm Tim]], who once saw Dick at the circus when he was three and imprinted so much that he was [[AwesomeByAnalysis able to recognize him]] solely by his acrobatics six years later, and who then [[StalkingIsLove proceeded to stalk both his identities for several years]].
73	* Batman does have a history of sneaking into the bedrooms of attractive, naked young men. See his relationship with Franchise/GreenLantern [[TheWoobie Kyle Rayner]], when he did so to assure Kyle that the League thought of him as the true Green Lantern. Kyle was a bit of a Batman [[AscendedFanboy fanboy]], as well.
74	* Even ''Alfred'' has his moments. In ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'', there's a scene where, thinking to himself, he describes Batman as his "black-eyed, brilliant, willful angel". As if Batman's interactions with Robin weren't {{Squick}}y enough...
75	* Comicbook/{{Catwoman}} and Talia's scene in "Hush", with Talia tied up in Catwoman's apartment with Catwoman casually circling around her, kind of gives off these vibes.
76	** There's also the flashback of the two together toward the start of the ''ComicBook/GothamCitySirens'' series.
77	** They actually had some of this pre-Crisis as well.
78	* The [[{{Squee}} friendship between Cass (Batgirl II) and Steph (Spoiler)]] can occasionally verge on this. Specifically, when Cass is having a NearDeathExperience, she hallucinates the spirit of her friend, carrying her as a groom would carry his bride. [[http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lapjhn4g481qzmbbqo1_500.jpg Check it out.]]
79	** Then, there's [[http://i45.tinypic.com/2nas0ol.jpg this bit]] between Cass and Oracle. Oddly enough, all of these people have been Comicbook/{{Batgirl}} at some point.
80	*** [[DoubleEntendre So they've both gotten into Barbara's pants?]]
81	* The notorious [[ComicBook/Robin1993 Tim Drake]]/[[ComicBook/{{Superboy}} Conner Kent]] pairing.
82	** The biggest amount of HoYay came from the aftermath of ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis, which Tim obsessing over trying to create another Kon. There was also him dating Conner's girlfriend Wonder Girl after their respective significant others died, which was riddled with problems and came off as creepy.
83	*** It's even {{lampshade\|Hanging}}d at one point when Superboy complains that he and Robin are like [[PromotionToParent parents to Impulse]] and then loudly denies that [[{{Uke}} he's the mom]]!
84	*** There's a ''Comicbook/TeenTitans'' comic which has Conner saying Tim will "always be my Robin", with Tim replying Conner "will always be my clone boy." Cue [[{{Squee}} squeeing fangirls]].
85	** Or the slightly less common Tim Drake/Bart Allen pairing.
86	* The Stephanie Brown/[[ComicBook/{{Supergirl}} Kara]] pillow fight. Too bad for the boys we only see the aftermath.
87	* As pointed out [[http://cornflakepizza.tumblr.com/post/57315159266/no-but-yes-tricky-answer-i-know-basically here]], Jason (when written by Judd Winick at the very least) tends to have a few bisexual tendencies, making him come off as being AmbiguouslyBi on a writing standpoint (as nothing has ever been truly confirmed.) It's notable that when Winick was questioned about Jason's sexuality he shot down the interviewer and openly admitted he wouldn't [[InvokedTrope confirm or deny it because]] the DC Editorial (at the time) didn't like talking about non-hetero characters. Effectively leaving it up in the air for peoples' interpretations.
88	** Possibly Jason and Tim. They've worked together several times and Jason has explicitly stated that Tim is the only member of the Bat family that he likes.
89	* Cassandra Cain and Harper Row have gotten their own fair share of LesYay. Whether it's Harper telling Cass how beautiful she looks, them constantly hugging and holding hands, the time they went to the ballet on a date while undercover, or the fact that Cassie apparently sleeps at Harper's apartment most nights. It helps that Harper is openly bisexual.
90	* In Detective Comics #950, it's revealed that Cassandra is seen as a ghost haunting a ballet theater, and she's briefly spotted by ballerina Christine Montclair while secretly dancing with her. Hmm... [[Literature/ThePhantomOfTheOpera a performer named Christine being haunted by a masked social outcast on a music stage...]]
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Context HoYay / Batman