Line #66 Headscratchers/Vikings


1	* Why would Ragnar and Lagertha invite Athelstan to bed with them, unless they were just testing his celibacy to see if he could trust him alone with his wife? However, there was no "See I told you he wouldn't! You can trust him," moment. I suppose even though Haraldson wouldn't share his wife and Lagertha wouldn't sleep with Rollo, it's not taboo to do weird things with your slaves?
2	** Why not? Haraldson's jealous, paranoid, and possessive. Rollo's domineering and obviously wants Lagertha to himself, not to share her with Ragnar. These aren't the same situation as a couple consenting to have a threesome with another party.
3	** Possibly, Ragnar was looking for a way to get Athelstan to tell him about England. "Oh, let's sex up the priest and trick him into revealing how to take England. Oh, that didn't work. Better try alcohol instead."
4	** They're doing it because they're freaky and see Athelstan as a harmless sex toy. Story-wise, it contrasts Ragnar's open and friendly character with the Earl's paranoid, domineering character as well as presents the challenges that face Athelstan as a monk trapped among pagans.
5	*** Or maybe they were just messing with him for a laugh, or trying to figure him out. This was the first time Athelstan mentioned celibacy, so they did learn something about him.
6	** In episode 5, Floki invites another Viking to bed with him and Helga. Apparently, two guys doubleteaming a girl wasn't that unusual for Vikings, at least in the context of this show.
7	*** Probably can't take Floki as a metric for what's normal.
8	*** Most historians agree that our knowledge on bisexuality and homosexuality (of any form) in pre-Christian Viking culture is fuzzy at best. The show takes place in a time period when Christianity and its values hadn't yet influenced most of pagan Scandinavia, and since Vikings [[NeverLearnedToRead couldn't read, write, or physically record their history and beliefs in their own words]], almost all information from that era was written by biased Christians. So, it's possible that like free Viking women of the same time period, same-sex partners weren't frowned upon nearly as much as in later years when Christianity became the dominant religion.
9	** Historically, it was a not uncommon practice for Norse hosts to offer a guest a bedmate. Historians disagree as to whether this was meant to be sexual, or just to keep people from freezing on long, cold nights. What's odd about the show's presentation isn't the offer, but the fact that Athelstan is a slave, not a guest.
10	*** It would be very unrealistic if every rule was followed to the letter.
11	* ArtisticLicense and all but it's disappointing the Saxons don't know how to form a shield wall yet. It's a common tactic for cultures with big shields.
12	** They did, didn't they? The bulk of the fight was a big shoving match with shields and the occasional pointy thing thrown into the mix that ''is'' a fight between two shieldwalls. What the Viking raiders did at the start was something like a testudo formation modified to account for their small numbers.
13	*** In the Northlanders graphic novels (which mine the same source material used in this series), there is some exposition about shield walls -- that saying "hold the wall" is basically meaningless, because the side that doesn't is dead. In fights between two groups that both use effective shield walls, it comes down to which side "has the stronger backs and wants it more". The shield wall holds off the attackers while both sides try to break the line by poking their blades over, beneath, and between the shields... it's the guy who gets his thigh slashed open who first drops his shield, and then the enemy comes pouring through. A veteran wall will seal the breach while someone behind the wall despatches any trespassers, as Floki does in the show.
14	*** Once the shield wall is right in front of their noses, they naturally do the limited number of things at their disposal to try to overcome it, but that doesn't mean that they're already familiar with the tactic. They're arranged loosely on the beach before the battle, don't advance toward the Viking's in a shield wall of their own, and later express bafflement at the Vikings' way of fighting.
15	** They didn't express 'bafflement at the Vikings' tactics', they expressed horror at their enthusiasm for battle and their lack of fear in the face of death. Accentuated by the fact that Rollo in the midst of battle leads the Vikings in war-chant which ends with the words; "all must die some day!". There's nothing explicitly suggesting unfamiliarity with shield-walls. In any case, I dispute how effective fighting one shield wall with another shield wall would, especially considering that the Vikings are almost uniformally (in the show at least) larger and stronger than their Saxon enemies,
16	*** Shield walls vs. shield wall wasn't particularly efficient but it was also among the predominant form of mass combat for a very long time. Most fights really were just big shoving matches (at least for infantry). The 300 Spartans for instance actually rotated people in and out of their wall to keep fresh.
17	** The fyrdmen of Wessex use a shield-wall to combat that of the Vikings during the ambush in ''Invasion''. The fighting styles of the Saxon provinces seem a device used to illustrate the personalities of their respective kings (ie: Aelle is hot-headed and unsubtle, Ecbert is cunning and methodical.)
18	** It might also have been a "LeaningOnTheFourthWall" bit: the Saxons weren't surprised at the shield wall, they were surprised these stupid, brutal, bloodthirsty Northern pagans knew how to use one, and use it well. Like many viewers with only a passing, pop-culture view of Vikings, they'd be surprised to learn these famous warriors actually knew and utilized solid battlefield tactics.
19	* Anyone else bothered by how quickly Athelstan and the other monks are to jump on the "the end is nigh!" wagon? Did they just assume every thunderstorm was the harbinger of the end of the world?
20	** To the monks' Biblical view of the world, storms are punishments from God. Thematically, the monks' fear of the storm is meant to contrast the Vikings, who also ponder its supernatural implications but decide that it's a blessing from their badass warrior gods. While the monks are cowering in their cells, Floki is screaming to the heavens. We can sure guess what's going to happen when these two groups meet, can't we?
21	** If it helps, the head-monk outright tells him he's overreacting.
22	** It might have been a reference to the ''Anglo-Saxon Chronicle'', which claims "In this year fierce, foreboding omens came over the land of Northumbria. There were excessive whirlwinds, lightning storms, and fiery dragons were seen flying in the sky. These signs were followed by great famine, and on 8 January the ravaging of heathen men destroyed God's church at Lindisfarne."
23	*** It is just so common for Christians to decide, based on absolutely nothing, that the world is about to end, that I didn't even stop to think about it at all.
24	* Why ''Earl'' Haraldson and not ''Jarl'' Haraldson?
25	** Thank you! I was wondering if I was the only one who was bothered by that. It's a small detail, but if Skyrim taught me anything, it's that landowning Norse chieftains are "Jarls".
26	** Possibly to avoid confusion with the parts of the English-speaking world who ''haven't'' played Skyrim. But yes, it bothers me, too.
27	** Alternatively, to avoid anymore gratuitous Norse than necessary. Jarl is the root word for Earl, at any rate, so just some more translation convention.
28	** King Horik refers to his enemy as a "Jarl" for some reason. Danes may refer to foreign nobles as Jarls, but Haraldson called the Swedish Earl and Earl.
29	*** Haraldson and the others come from Kattegat, which is in Sweden, isn't it?
30	*** Kattegatt (a Dutch name) is the sea that separates Sweden and Denmark. Yet the geography of the place is almost unmistakably Norwegian.
31	** You know, it could just be down to accents. The script may be saying 'Earl', but Travis Fimmel does a Scandinavian accent and pronounces it as 'Jarl', Clive Standen does the same thing and pronounces it like the inbetween of the two pronunciations. Donal Logue affects his own accent, so him saying it's 'Jarl' may just be his way of keeping his accent authentic or whatever. He also pronounces Gotland with a Y sound, calling it 'Yotland'...
32	*** That isn't an accent problem, Gotaland is pronounced 'Yotaland'.
33	*** "Götaland" not "Gotaland". And the sea wich separates Sweden and Denmark is called "Öresund".
34	** He is also called by his patronym, Haraldson, not his name. Haraldson just means he is son of Harald.
35	* Now, I'm not an expert on snakes and I didn't get a good look at all of them, but to me, it looked like most of the snakes in King Aelle's pit were pythons and other constrictors, not vipers. How exactly did a couple bites kill the guy he threw in there?
36	** It's supposed to be a viper pit. They either didn't realize they got the wrong snakes or didn't care.
37	** Pythons are bigger, so they show up better on screen, and they're nonvenomous, so they're easier to handle.
38	*** This is actually very common in movies and high-budget tv. In the first Indiana Jones movie during the Well of Souls scene they say the snakes are "asps" but they are clearly large constrictors (except for that one shot of a cobra which was probably behind glass).
39	** Look at it from the actor's point of view. You have to film a sequence in a pit full of snakes. Wouldn't you regard the director using venomous ones as being a bit too much?
40	** It's ''very'' difficult to get the OK from insurance companies to use live, non-CGI venomous snakes in films and television shows that aren't wildlife or documentary oriented. Of course, this is also for very, very good reasons. Most vipers are unpredictable and don't enjoy being handled too much, often biting when they become stressed or threatened. How many actors would be willing to go anywhere near a pit-full of venomous snakes? These people aren't [[Series/TheJeffCorwinExperience Jeff Corwin]] or [[Series/CrocodileHunter Steve Irwin]], after all.
41	* Now, I'm not sure if I heard it correctly, but it sounded to me that the Christian name Rollo was given was ''Hrolf''. Why have they inverted it? Hrolf was Rollo's Norse name, just as Rollo is the Anglicization of Hrolf. For that matter, why do the Saxons suddenly now know Old Norse?
42	** It might be a mistake, or the creators liked the name Rollo better. I don't think the Saxons are supposed to be speaking Old Norse in the scene. Rollo later says that he didn't understand what they were saying.
43	** Well, Rolf/Rolph is an alternate anglicization of Hrolf as well.
44	** If it's Rolf, then it's all right.
45	* I'm sure Ragnar knows as well as anyone that an acceptable human sacrifice must be completely willing, and have a strong belief in the gods. So why on earth did he ever think Athelstan would make a good sacrifice? Spiritually, the former priest doesn't know what he believes anymore, and the fact that Ragnar had to manipulate him into it just proves that he wouldn't have been willing.
46	** It was a choice between a slave he knew for a few months and friends he's known for longer.
47	** By this time, Athelstan seemed to be pretending to have lost his faith and converted to paganism. He kept his bible hidden, he easily identified the statues of the Norse gods and spoke of them with reverence, he had grown his hair out, and he outright denied still being a Christian when the question was raised. Distracted as he was with everything else, Ragnar might have missed the signs that showed Athelstan was faking it. There's still the "willing" aspect, but even going back to ''Burial of the Dead'', we have Ragnar showing Athelstan willing slaves offering themselves for sacrifice; it's possible he's been grooming Athelstan for this since then.
48	** [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation He didn't.]] He seems to like Athelstan well enough, as a slave if not as a friend or an equal, but for the blood sacrifices, he didn't have anything to give. He became Earl through battle only after he'd already lost his farm and all his livestock, so all he had left to give was a slave. Sending Athelstan to be sacrificed was his way of contributing without having to give anything up, because it wouldn't be his fault if Athelstan didn't pass inspection.
49	* How exactly did Ragnar's mistress find out she was pregnant two days after they had sex?
50	** Magic, the gods told her, she was already pregnant beforehand, or she was lying. Take your pick.
51	*** She couldn't have been lying. Ragnar checks for himself at the end of the episode and she is pregnant. Anyway, it's not two days after. She tells him after Floki comes back from Denmark and returns to Gotland. So that's about a week of travel on horseback. Hell, he would have had to catch a boat, too.
52	** It is said that Floki's trip back to visit the King will take at least several days, not counting the time it will take for him to return as well. The entire time the group spends in Sweden with the Jarl is is not stated, though it is implied that, overall, it has been several weeks to a month by episode's end. That is more than enough time for Aslaug to be aware of her cycle's timing.
53	** And the true explanation is this; as in the Saga, Aslaug is a seeress, and thus has the ability to divine the future.
54	** Looking at the map of the Scandinavian countries, it seems that the above is correct. Gotland is in fact a large island of the southern coast of Sweden, and Floki is to go to an unspecified location in Denmark. Which involves sailing into greater Sweden and then many days of travel to Denmark. Obviously, that adds up to at least several weeks.
55	*** Only it's Götaland/Gotaland and not Gotland. Gotaland is on the mainland and inhabited by geats. Gotland is inhabited by gutes (goths?). Two different places.
56	*** Yep, hard to miss that really. It says "Götaland,Sweden" in big letters in the first scene of "All Change".
57	* So where did Floki get that kohl? They haven't raided that far east in 793, have they?
58	** Probably through trading, the Norse did trade as well as raid.
59	*** Ragnar's knowledge of lands to the west, his familiarity with other languages, and the 'Viking sunstone' and floating compass/latitude-lock all come from Ragnar's pre-series interactions with travelers and traders.. In-series, he shows the same curiosity with (and tolerance of) other cultures in his dealings with Athelstan, and his willingness to go along with the 'yeah, we're just traders' thing at the start of the second foray.
60	* How exactly can the Jarl of Gotland over in the water in the far east of Scandinavia get into territorial disputes with the King of Denmark over the water in the far south? Their lands are too far away from each other. Does Horik own some land in southeastern Sweden or something?
61	** Well, Skaane, the southernmost portion of Sweden, had been considered part of Denmark since at least the mid-10th century, and would remain under Danish rule until the 15th century. This would obviously cause tension between the Danes and the people who lived further north. However, it's unclear how all of this affects the Jarl of Gotland. Maybe the writers meant ''Geatland'', and figured the viewers wouldn't be able to tell the difference?
62	** Unlikely, the opening of the episode depicts Ragnar and his friends sailing to their destination, far as I'm concerned, that means Gotland.
63	** Okay, I going back and listening to the characters again, I've realized that they've never been saying 'Gotland', but 'Got'''''a'''''land', in other words, southern Sweden. And yes, that includes Skane, which was considered part of Denmark during the Viking age. It now makes total sense that Horik would have land in those areas, and thus would be in conflict with Borg.
64	*** Gotland is a province of Gotaland. Borg can be Jarl of one part and still be considered one of the Jarls of the whole place. It is also far south enough that he and Horik can get into a fight over some land in Skane. That he's separated by water is irrelevant, as these people were perhaps the best sailors in all the world.
65	*** Gotland is not a providence of Gotaland. They are different regions and peoples. Gotland came under Swedish influence but remained somewhat independent during the viking age.
66	*** See above for an answer to the "Gotland/Gotaland/Götaland" debacle.
67	* What part of Scandinavia are Ragnar and his warriors from?
68	** They are from Denmark.
69	** Except Denmark has no mountains. So it's more likely that they're from southern Norway.
70	** Ragnar is a Yngling, so that basically implies he's from Sweden. His father, Sigurdr Hringr, was Swedish. He began the House of Munso, which is a cadet branch of the Ynglinga and a line of Swedish royalty.
71	** Wherever ''this'' Ragnar Lodbrok is intended to hail from it is not Norway. There is ''NO'' saga wich describes Ragnar as a Norwegian., He was either Danish, Swedish or Danish-Swedish, but not Norwegian. The enviroment is pure ArtisticLicense and should not be taken a evidence for where he hails from.
72	** Confirmed as Sweden by Clive Standen in an interview in the DVD-set for season 2.
73	** In season 4 and onwards it's made clear that it is Norway. The most likely explanation is that they were intentionally vague until Hirst decided that he wanted to include Harald Fairhair (Finehair in the show).
74	* As of ''Treachery'', King Horik seems to have gotten noticeably more brutal. Is he supposed to be on some sort of RoaringRampageOfRevenge after the death of his son, or is he just very good at hiding his darker side under an easygoing demeanor? True, he's a Viking, but when we were first introduced to him, he didn't really seem like the type who would murder two non-combatants for no real reason.
75	** While it's quite possible he's angered on the death of his son, for the Bishop's death, Christianity in general seems to be a BerserkButton for him which does have some historical basis to it. For the messenger's death, to me, that seems to be like the seed of a potential conflict with Ragnar as Horik is more short-sighted in his goals, only wanting treasure, contrast to Ragnar's far-reaching goals of wanting his society to be more fed and secure.
76	** Historically, Horik was responsible for the destruction of St. Mary's Cathedral in Hamburg, so he's generally remembered by some for his great offenses against Christianity. This is emphasized by his dialogue with Bishop Swithin; "You preach against our gods." Thus, we can infer his piety in his own faith approaches that of Floki's or even Ragnar's. Given that Christianity, by its monotheistic nature, blasphemes against the Norse gods to the highest possible degree, it's natural Horik would be disdainful of such disrespect. After all, the Norsemen themselves were perfectly fine with acknowledging the existence of the gods of other cultures, including the Christian god. The fact that this isn't reciprocated by the Christians is likely quite galling to him.
77	* Why is it that Earl Sigvard is so hated by the fanbase and seems to be touted as being a villain via the ominous music? He does absolutely nothing evil; his closest act of such is to hit Lagertha when she disrespects and insults him by running away from his hall even when they have guests; thereby disrespecting not only her husband but also the guests themselves. Even when he strikes her, he apologizes immediately. His only other action is to forbid Bjorn from going alone into the wilderness, albeit in a somewhat demeaning and condescending tone.
78	** Seriously? First of all, she didn't "run away", she choose to leave because he apparently insulted Bjorn. Second, even if she did, that someone is not attending a social function is hardly a reason to strike someone. Third, "he said sorry" is more or less the excuse of every abusive husband out there. Fourth, it is obvious that he sees her mostly as his property, as a trophy, and is resentful towards Bjorn because he reminds him of the fact that Lagertha was married. And that was pretty clear before he said as much and tried to rape her one episode after the one you are referring to.
79	** While I'm no longer questioning Sigvard's characterization as a villain in light of the rape scene, I am going to state that 'not attending a social function' when you're a woman and wife to a Jarl, is a completely valid reason for getting punished. For one thing, it makes the chieftain look weak seeing as he cannot control his woman, which in turn makes him vulnerable in a society that was basically built upon raiding each other for cattle and women. Yes, treatment of women in Scandinavia was very progressive... in comparison to mainland Europe, which, in truth, isn't really worth much. Same way that medieval Scandinavians being abnormally cleaner as compared to mainland Europe, again only implies the bare minimum of cleanliness, not only by today's standards, but also by the standards of other contemporary cultures, such as the Islamic world. Remember Ibn Fadlan's account of the Rus? And also take into account that Muslim sources regarding the Vikings are far more reliable and less prone to embellishment than the Christan ones, as the Muslims had very little reason to be hostile towards the Vikings, or pagans in general, as around the time of Ibn Fadlan's account, they were slowly attempting to convert the Turks, who had thus far been pagan, to Islam. Fadlan was sent north into the Volga to help the newly converted Bulgars there build a mosque. Also bear in mind that this is a firmly patriarchal warrior culture we're seeing, so Sigvard even apologizing after hitting her is still a great deal by the standards of the era this show is set. The rape scene is still an indication of villainy, despite the treatment of the nuns at the raiding camp, only due to the fact that Sigvard is essentially breaking his culture's own laws by raping a free woman.
80	*** It's probably because the writers assumed the audience would be sympathetic to a character who divorced her husband because he cheated on her only to end up in the hands of a wifebeater, rather than red-pill creeps who can't be satisfied with a TV adaptation of a myth unless it has a "historically accurate" depiction of men physically abusing women with impunity. Viking women could divorce their husbands at any time for any mistreatment, and physical abuse did count as mistreatment. When Lagertha stays despite this, it's because she does have duties as a jarl's wife, and she was attending to those duties when she didn't "attend the social function" you think Sigvard was justified for beating her for (and no, it doesn't make it okay that he apologized right afterwards, it's still disrespect and it's still abuse). He has the title, but she clearly does all the work while he drinks and dicks around all day, which is why his men don't immediately have her killed when she murders him in front of them. (And Ibn Fadlan's account of the Rus is an inspiration for the show, it's not a Get-Out-of-Misogyny free card, don't be gross.)
81	*** Striking your wife (or husband for that matter) in public was a reason for divorce in their culture. It was certainly not that acceptable, no matter how the realities behind closed doors looked like.
82	*** Actually, under law, a woman could only claim lawful divorce from her husband over domestic violence after the third time he struck her. And even then, witnesses needed to be produced. Also, if a woman initiated divorce, she was only entitled to take back her dowry and morning gift.
83	*** That was true for some parts of Scandinavia, where the rules for divorce were stricter due to Christian influences. But even there the woman could claim for monetary compensation after the first slap. Point is, though, that it was not seen as okay behaviour to slap a free woman, married or not.
84	*** Since when was it that this only applied to areas 'influenced by Christianity?' Christianity didn't make headway into Scandinavia until the late 11th century and didn't fully replace Pagan beliefs until the 15th. These descriptions of Northern marital laws are given in Icelandic Gragas and Norwegian Gulaþing Law, both of which predate the coming of Christianity into Scandinavian societies, in oral form at least. Unless you think that they're somehow not valid given that all written records of Gragas, and indeed, all forms of Scandinavian law in general were written down after the Viking Age ended.
85	*** A lot of viewers seem to overlook or forget the specific time period in which the show takes place. As far as historians have been able to find and extrapolate from the few unbiased writings about pre-Christian Viking culture, it's fairly clear that free Viking women enjoyed far more rights and autonomy than Christian women. It was the gradual integration of Christianity into northern Europe that eroded many of the freedoms and semi-equal status that free women and other Christian-persecuted minorities (sorceresses, homosexuals, shamans, divorced women, etc.) had exercised in the earlier years of Norse paganism. The vast majority of what we know about Vikings was written by terrified or disgusted Christians, so it's likely that a good deal of our current knowledge of early Vikings (and the Mongols as well) is flawed, biased, and heavily influenced by Christian values, not those of the Norse pagans.
86	*** Horrified and disgusted may be putting it a bit too far, much of what we know about the Viking Age also derives from sources penned by Icelandic scholars of the 13th and 14th centuries, and while they were Christians, they also had a personal connection to what they were writing as a symbol of their own history. While it's possible they might have misrepresented many things, I don't see them actively attempting to besmirch or demonize their ancestors, pagan or not.
87	*** It really comes down to who wrote the history and when it was written, something that's always a problem for modern historians to decipher. Even the difference of a century can radically change laws and social norms, and the Vikings never wrote down anything substantial since they were largely illiterate, especially in the pre-10th century years that Ragnar lived in. Oral history can be very unreliable, languages shift rapidly over time, and modern values (in terms of later historians and scholars) often distort those of their ancestors, be it for good or bad. Ragnar's time period is very foggy by historical research standards, and it's likely we'll never truly know the exact laws or norms of the early Vikings, with historians having to extrapolate from later writings and find some sort of middle ground between the heavily biased and the more romanticized versions.
88	* The crucifixion of Athelstan:
89	** They strip him down to his underwear, but leave his bracelet of fealty to Ragnar. That's a piece of valuable jewelry. It would only make sense to leave it on him if they knew its significance in Norse culture, but how would they know that?
90	** Crucifying Athelstan with a crown of thorns on his head is a direct reference to the martyrdom of Jesus. Why would they execute a criminal while implying that he's Jesus? Constantine outlawed crucifixion centuries beforehand for this very reason.
91	*** The entire crucifixion scene in general is pretty much RuleOfCool, as it's pretty unlikely Catholic Christians would execute an apostate in such a way. Crucifixion was considered an honourable death amongst the Catholics. It could be that these particular Catholics have chosen it because of its particular resonance for Athelstan, maybe they can tell he was a former priest or something.
92	*** According to the extra-material for the show, the scene is based on a historical account of a monk who came back with Viking raiders and was crucified, so it's apparently not that far-fetched as it seems to be. Though naturally, they overwrought the scene with symbolism, by basically recreating the common image while Athelstan is still wearing the arm ring.
93	*** They asked him about it while he was in their custody? Or maybe they think they'll take it from him after he's dead? He's not going anywhere, after all. Could be they won't loot Athelstan because that would be un-Christian. Or he just fought so hard to keep it they decided to leave it until he was dead.
94	*** On a sidenote, it is highly unlikely Athelstan would have survived crucifixion. Having both of your wrists pierced all the way through by two ten inch nails would make him bleed out too quickly (there's a reason many theologists today believe Christ's arm was actually pierced ''sideways''), and even if he managed to survive the blood loss, he'd probably die of infection. He'd also probably have one or both of his hands amputated if he managed to survive.
95	*** Which is why Athelstan was pierced through the hands, and not the wrist, with his arms bound to the cross in order to hold him up. If his hands (and feet) survive the ordeal -- we'll see.
96	*** [[spoiler:Athelstan, as we know from promotional material, loses his left hand sometime in the season. Whether that's as a result of the crucifixion or something else is something we've yet to find out]].
97	*** No, he doesn't. This was only in the trailer.
98	* How did Horik's Huskarl know where they were? Did he send a longship back to Denmark to let people know, or something?
99	** Maybe he sent a longship after he realized (due the harsh weather) he lost some men. So he sent the longship to get reinforcements?
100	* What was up with Erik's surname? Sure, "Marteinn" is the Scandinavian version of "Martin", but the name itself is ultimately not Norse, and the show takes place before the Vikings have had any serious contact with outsiders. It just seemed like an odd decision on the part of the writers.
101	** Martin is derived from Mars, the Roman God of War. The Vikings are described as having contact with foreign cultures, just to their southeast rather than their southwest. Erik is a mighty warrior, it's possible on a raid of Italy that one of the Italians became scared of this hulking blood-crazed warrior, and started screaming "Mars! Mars!" and Erik liked the sound of it so much he added 'Marteinn' to his name.
102	* So now that they've killed all of Jarl Borg's men and are keeping him captive, does that mean that his family are going to go to war with Kattegat and Denmark, or can they just settle this with Wergild?
103	** Knowing Ragnar will one day become King of both Denmark and Sweden and his ever-growing ambitions, perhaps Ragnar will come to Gotaland to claim Borg's jarldom in Season 3.
104	** One other big issue with this is that neither Horik nor Ragnar ever acknowledge that the whole mess got started with Horik trying take-backsies on Borg at the last minute on the first sailing to England. Had they just let him come along on the first trip, a lot of very painful things could have been avoided.
105	* Has there ever been any clear indication that Rollo is even meant to be the historical Hrólfr of Normandy? The only reference I found (linked on Website/TheOtherWiki) was a short remark in an interview with Clive Standen, which did not strike me as very authoritative in that regard. Yet the assumption that Rollo is supposed to be a loose interpretation of Hrólfr is nigh ubiquitous, on this wiki and everywhere else, even though he is not connected to the legend of Ragnar in any way, their dates don't match up, and so far the only in-universe connection between Rollo and his supposed historical counterpart is his baptism, which Rollo regarded as a joke.
106	** The show keeps dropping hints that Rollo is going to end up becoming a 'great man', so there's already one detail that points towards him being Hrólfr. Hrólfr was also descended from the Ynglinga clan according to Hversu Noregr byggðist, from whom Ragnar Lothbrok and the House of Munso were also descended, so that actually makes the historical Hrólfr distantly related to Ragnar. Furthermore, there's a lot of scenes in the show that are inspired from apocrypha relating to the historical person: upon his deathbed, one story goes that Hrólfr had a crisis of faith and had a hundred Christians beheaded in front of him in honour of the Norse gods. Now recall how Rollo proves his faith after Floki accuses him of forsaking the gods. If you're upset regarding the chronology, keep in mind that Ragnar wasn't supposed to be at the raid of Lindisfarne either, or that Ecbert has just come into the throne by 800 AD, and was not the well-established and feared king he is portrayed as until some decades later.
107	** It's more or less confirmed now with the Seer telling him that "the bear will be crowned by a princess and you will be present at the ceremony". Cut to Princess Gisele giving him googly-eyes during the siege of Paris.
108	** Confirmed in season 4.
109	* What was up with that scene in episode 2 where the raiders blow their boogers into a bowl of water and then wash their faces with it? There was a scene like that in The 13th Warrior too, and it was just as baffling there.
110	** It's a literal dramatization of a passage in the account of Ahmad ibn Fahdlan, a real Arab traveler who encountered Vikings (and who Antonio Banderas plays in ''The 13th Warrior''). He was making a point about their lower hygiene standards. But some writers think the bowl would have been refilled regularly, and he was really objecting to the Vikings not using running water - a common bowl would have been "unclean" to him anyway.
111	* So what do the Vikings actually do with all the stuff they steal? Obviously they can use the swords and things themselves, but what use do the Vikings have for a big golden cross? Do they sell it to someone? If so to who?
112	** The jewelery goes to their wifes, daughters, and themselves, or is sold to merchants. The crosses are probably melted down and sold to merchants too. They probably buy salt, lifestock and other products for the money.
113	** The Scandinavians had a system of gift-giving that was a part of both their political system and their economy where the king/earl/any other chieftain with more than ten ships and the men to man them would receive oaths and silver from warriors under him and he would in return offer them material wealth (usually in the form of wargear, silver or armrings, which were actually a form of currency and status symbol to Scandinavians) and pledge that he would lead them to glory and death in war. The gifts plundered from Christian churches in mainland Europe were for the most part absorbed into this system of gift-giving and in and of themselves might have been used as currency. Medieval Scandinavia, despite being a pretty savage place to live, actually had various centers of industry and manufacture, so there was always stuff for the money to chase.
114	* Just what was Harbard's motive for seducing Aslaug and letting Siggy drown? Shits and giggles?
115	** He probably thought of it as a sacrifice or payment for helping Ivar. It's possible that in addition to easing Ivar's pain, he also gave him wisdom.
116	** Siggy's the only person in Kattegat who seems suspicious of him, so that could also be reason. Though this only works if his intentions are nefarious, which we don't know for sure yet.
117	** And the true explanation? He well and truly was Oden. Oden's wanderings always tended to end in the deaths of people. And why not? He was the god of death.
118	* Why did Kwenthrith think urinating on Ragnar was a good idea? And why doesn't Ragnar stove her head in afterwards?
119	** In the old days urine was believed to have anti-septic qualities.
120	** ... Really? And is that true?
121	*** As it turns out, no. Urine does contain ammonia which has some value as a disinfectant, but doctors have also discovered that even urine from healthy people can still harbor bacteria. And once urine leaves the body it becomes a breeding ground for disease.
122	* What did Jarl Borg shout out before charging during the battle against Ragnar in the season 2 premiere? Rollo said it again in ''To the Gates!''.
123	* Anyone notice how the method for handling trials in Kattegut changes between seasons one and two? In the first season, the Earl presides over trials at a Thing, and his ruling (at least the death penalty) must be agreed upon by all the men in attendance. Lagetha also gets to make judgments from the Earl's hall while Ragnar is away. In season two, the town's Lawgiver stands on the sacred stone and delivers justice that is unimpeachable. Is there some explanation for this?
124	** The trial in season 2 seems to be unorthodox, and Ragnar arranged for it to be done that way to avoid having to sentence his brother himself, as sparing him would make him lose face with a lot of his men, and he clearly didn't want to have him killed. So he gave the judgement to the "gods", ensuring no one would blame him for the decision, and then made sure the "gods" would agree with what he wanted.
125	* How exactly is Rollo going to populate the future Norman population all by himself? Wouldn't it have been better narratively and historically for Rollo to persuade the Norse that stayed behind to join him?
126	** After Bjorn's short excursion into the Mediterranean, Rollo offers a place in his kingdom for any Viking who wishes to follow him. No one takes up the offer, but maybe it'll be made a second time in the future.
127	* Why didn't Bjorn, Ubbe and Lagertha just go to Floki and Iceland instead of throwing themselves on Alfred's mercy on the dubious hope that Heahmund would be able to vouch for them effectively?
128	** There has been no word from Iceland since the colonists set out, and they didn't depart under the friendliest terms.
129	** Plus, Floki didn't exactly give them directions. Or prove his claims of having found new land, for that matter. For all they know, Floki had finally snapped for good, lucked his way back into land, and convinced a bunch of people to follow him on a second suicide voyage.
130	* Why would Oleg want to start his invasion of Scandinavia in Norway? Norway is the furthest away from Rus', meaning the fleet would have to sail deep into hostile territory, given they intend to conquer all of Scandinavia. In the show the Rus' does not have any Scandinavian allies (unlike in the sagas and history) so their supply line would be stretched incredibly thin. The army is in 10 thousands and includes lots of cavalry so one wonders [[EasyLogistics how the army is feed?]] Norway has the least arable land in Scandinavia and its early spring so the storages would be depleted. Once he had conquered Norway he would have had a battered and hungry army and the time it would have taken to pacify Norway would have given the danes plenty of time of to gather the Øresund fleet and giving them a warm welcome.

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