| 1 | New entries at the bottom. |
| 2 | |
| 3 | [[foldercontrol]] |
| 4 | |
| 5 | [[folder:Sols]] |
| 6 | |
| 7 | * Midna referred to the Sols as the Twili's version of the sun, a source of light and power. The Sols get absorbed by the Master Sword, and never do seem to be removed at any point in time... right up until Midna destroys the mirror, and only way to even get to the Twilight Realm, essentially cutting the Twili off from their "sun!" |
| 8 | ** Note that the glowy power leaves the Master Sword whenever Link exits the Twilight Realm. Presumably they can't go through the mirror, and got left behind when Link left. |
| 9 | ** Perhaps there were more than just those two? |
| 10 | ** Alternatively, Link returned the power to the Twilight Realm just before that scene opened. |
| 11 | ** Or, perhaps, the Sols didn't infuse all their power to the Master Sword. If they did, I doubt the platforms powered by these same Sols would still be working. |
| 12 | ** Consider that Sols, like most of the stuff in there, probably wasn't there when the Twili were banished, and that they are quite powerful magically, barring their inability to traverse the worlds. They probably conjured up new ones. |
| 13 | ** It isn't said that the Sols were infused into the Master Sword, but that the ''light'' of the Sols was infused into it. The Sols themselves presumably are still in the Twilight Realm, where they would still be able to provide more light. It's not as if sunlight is a non-renewable resource. |
| 14 | [[/folder]] |
| 15 | |
| 16 | [[folder:Triforce of Power]] |
| 17 | |
| 18 | * How, exactly did Ganondorf get the Triforce of Power? The Door of Time was still locked in the game. |
| 19 | ** This was hinted at in the ending of ''Ocarina of Time'', and explained fully in ''Hyrule Historia''. When the Hero of Time was returned to his childhood and had Ganondorf arrested for his crimes, the Triforce of Courage remained with him even though, in the new timeline, he never obtained it. You can see it on his hand during the ending of that game. The removal of the Triforce of Courage from the Sacred Realm thus caused the other two to go to their respective bearers, simulating the effect of it being touched by one with an imbalanced heart. |
| 20 | * How did Ganondorf lose the Triforce of Power in the ending? Did it abandon him when he no longer believed in power? But [[VillainBall mindless death and destruction]]? |
| 21 | ** Considering what happens in the first game, A Link Between Worlds, and Hyrule Warriors when a Triforce bearer dies, Ganondorf probably still had the Triforce of Power with him as he died, and the symbol fading was just to show that it wasn’t capable of sustaining him any longer. Maybe the piece extracted itself from him after the scene ended; they don’t mention it during the ending or in Four Swords Adventures, so it probably was taken into the royal family’s care and/or returned to the Sacred Realm to await a new bearer. |
| 22 | |
| 23 | [[/folder]] |
| 24 | |
| 25 | [[folder:Memory loss]] |
| 26 | |
| 27 | * How does Ilia being shot with an arrow cause her to lose all her memories? It's not like the arrow hit her head or anything. |
| 28 | ** I've heard in a few different places that the arrow they shot her with was poisonous, according to WordofGod...though I've never actually read this in anything actually released by Nintendo. |
| 29 | ** People can develop amnesia really easy. Traumatic experiences, strokes, and even road trips have caused amnesia. Memories are a really easy thing to lose. But also, she fell into the fountain. Watering holes tend to have rocks in them. She probably just bashed her head. |
| 30 | ** Since Ilia was able to tell Impaz about Link while they were together, Impaz doesn’t mention her seeming foggy or forgetful at that time, and she also isn’t able to remember Impaz, it stands to reason that her memory loss didn’t occur until after she left the Hidden Village. She may have sustained an injury as she made her escape, or as suggested above, it was just the intense trauma of what she had gone through that triggered the amnesia. |
| 31 | |
| 32 | [[/folder]] |
| 33 | |
| 34 | |
| 35 | [[folder:Breaking the chains]] |
| 36 | |
| 37 | * In Twilight Princess, Ganondorf broke through the Sages' chains after being stabbed. But why didn't he just do that in the first place? He had the Triforce of Power all along. |
| 38 | ** Because he had no idea he had the Triforce of Power, until the moment they tried to execute him. In this timeline, he never had the chance to enter the Sacred Realm. |
| 39 | |
| 40 | [[/folder]] |
| 41 | |
| 42 | [[folder:Leaving the desert]] |
| 43 | |
| 44 | * At the end of ''Twilight Princess'', after Midna leaves, how did Link and Zelda get out of the Desert without being able to warp? |
| 45 | ** We don't know that Zelda doesn't know how to warp. Barring that, Minda wouldn't plan to leave them stranded with no way out of the desert. It's probable that they arranged for physical transport to get to the desert, likely through the previously mentioned impassable path that used to lead there. |
| 46 | [[/folder]] |
| 47 | |
| 48 | [[folder:Kidnapped kids]] |
| 49 | * So why were the kids and Ilia kidnapped from Ordon anyway? |
| 50 | ** To force the villagers to surrender and give them whatever they wanted. There would be no rebellion if the villagers feared for their children. |
| 51 | ** Maybe the kidnappers wanted to see if Hyrulians could become shadow creatures, too. If it did work, a bunch of child-sized shadow creatures would be easier to control. |
| 52 | ** The bulblins were sent as a vanguard to open the portal which would allow Twilight Beasts to attack the last spirit spring, and they decided while they were there to kidnap a few defenseless people for fun. When this was found out, they were forced to abandon their captives and return to their duties (though not before Ilia was traumatised enough to develop amnesia). |
| 53 | ** Here's a better question: why kidnap everybody but Link? They had no reason to believe he was anything more than another dumb kid, and if they did think he was too much trouble, why kill him right then and there? Did King Bulbin respect his moxey and already decide he wanted to see what he would do? |
| 54 | *** Possibly, it's the fact that Link LOOKS dangerous enough to make him not a target. He's not a warrior, but he's definitely got some muscle on him. Trying to snatch him would run the risk of a fight that might give the rest of the town a chance to regroup. |
| 55 | ** Ilia and Colin were probably only taken to clear the way for the red twilight portal. As for the other kids in the village, Zant may have ordered their kidnapping after hearing news that a youth from the village had turned into a wolf. Maybe after Link escaped from his cell, Zant figured he had found a way back to Ordon faster than he actually had. Or maybe he took the other kids to make sure there wasn’t more than one hero living in the village; hence their abandonment once they were taken into the twilight and didn’t turn into wolves. Ilia they might have kept because she was closer to Link than the other kids, with plans to use her for intel or as a bargaining chip before she escaped. |
| 56 | *** Ilia also may have been kept apart from the others because she was the mayor’s daughter, even if it’s the mayor of a sleepy little village like Ordon. Zant’s takeover of Hyrule is just as much political as it is a show of force, seeing as he had the Zora Queen killed and forced Zelda to properly submit to him and took her prisoner instead of killing her. But the guy who was able to go toe to toe with the Gorons (who, notably, Zant never tried to oppress) in a contest of strength would probably be more easily manipulated than outright killed, at least as far as a coward like Zant is concerned. |
| 57 | |
| 58 | [[/folder]] |
| 59 | |
| 60 | [[folder:Master Sword pedestal]] |
| 61 | * How did Link know to strike the side of the Master Sword's pedestal with its blade? What would happen if he did that in the present? What if the Hero of Time had done that? How many other hidden functions does the thing have? |
| 62 | ** The idea was subtly implanted into his mind by the Master Sword? It wouldn't be the first magic item to do something like that. |
| 63 | ** It might not have done anything. If the sword could plant the idea in his mind, it might also be able to affect what commands it gives to the Temple of Time when the conditions to make those commands is active. |
| 64 | ** "Strike the side" ? Link clearly jammed the sword into the pedestal then yank it back out, complete with the music from when you did that in ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime''. |
| 65 | ** Ah, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BC71Wp1tZo this video]] confirms what you said, so I guess my memory was faulty. The video also shows the pedestal strike doing different things in the present (making a statue vanish) and the past (making the ethereal stairway appear,) so I guess the above suggestion about variable commands is correct. |
| 66 | ** There's always the reincarnation thing. If Link is a reincarnation of [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime Ocarina of Time]]'s Link, then maybe it was a stray memory. |
| 67 | ** If Link were a reincarnation of Ocarina Link, that would make the Hero's Shade, confirmed to be the spirit of Ocarina Link, pretty awkward. |
| 68 | ** Link isn't stupid. It's pretty obvious that this is the same pedestal he got the sword from in the first place. Someone who is as used to experimenting with items as he is would naturally wonder what would happen if the room was restored to its proper formation. |
| 69 | ** This is a world where people know they're controlled by controller movement. A world where a guy can tell you to ''tell his kids'' to hold L when they press A so they can talk to people from a distance. In short, a world that operates on HeKnowsAboutTimedHits. Link -- never mind ''you'' -- saw the A button prompt, and decided pressing it would be a good idea. Him putting the sword in the pedestal was a natural, context-sensitive result of this. |
| 70 | |
| 71 | [[/folder]] |
| 72 | |
| 73 | [[folder:Locks]] |
| 74 | * How do chained locks in front of a door that opens upward or by sliding to the side lock it? |
| 75 | ** They don't. They just keep you from passing through it. |
| 76 | |
| 77 | [[/folder]] |
| 78 | |
| 79 | [[folder:Magnetic walls and ceilings]] |
| 80 | * When you use the Iron Boots to walk on magnetic walls and ceilings, why does Link's hat still flop towards his back, and not toward whatever direction is down? |
| 81 | ** It's possible that his hair is long enough to hold the back of this hat up, but not long enough to bend opposite the direction it normally does when bound by his hat. That, or the programmers just set it so that his personal gravity was reversed, but thought that wouldn't be "plausible" enough. |
| 82 | ** For that matter, why doesn't his hat ''fall off''? Or the bottom of his tunic flip 'up'. Hell, since Link has no trouble unsheathing his sword at a moment's notice, it's doubtful that he fastens it in its scabbard in any way. Imagine the ignominy of being the person who loses the Master Sword in a pit of lava. Just take a deep breath and remember {{MST3K|Mantra}}. |
| 83 | ** Point to be considered: a properly fitted scabbard should retain the blade from friction alone, even when upside down. Every sword I've handled that was in a scabbard meant for it was basically fixed in place until loosened by the handler by slightly drawing it. Since the sword clicks into place when Link sheathes it, it is safe to say he fully seats it in the scabbard, so it'd be safe. |
| 84 | * Related: Link's sword blade is made of metal, and probably >97% iron. Why, then, is it not attracted to the magnetic surfaces? |
| 85 | ** Because most sections of the magnetic material aren't actively pulling metallic objects toward them. Whatever force they are exerting isn't far-reaching enough to get at Link's sword. |
| 86 | |
| 87 | [[/folder]] |
| 88 | |
| 89 | [[folder:Circular horns]] |
| 90 | * Why do Ordon goats have circular horns? |
| 91 | ** Why not? It's a ''fictional'' breed of goat. They can have whatever kind of horns the developers want. |
| 92 | [[/folder]] |
| 93 | |
| 94 | [[folder:Shard in Temple of Time]] |
| 95 | * How could the Sages have known that the Twilight Mirror Shard was still in the Temple of Time? Link goes back in time to retrieve the Shard, so for all the intervening years between Link taking the Shard and Link stepping back out of the Time Door, the shard is missing from existence altogether. I guess it would have been weird if the Sages told Link "one... was in a forest temple, buuut it vanished years and years ago. But hey, maybe you were the one to take it, which would be good... Time travel is involved, okay." But they seemed so confident that it was still in the grove. |
| 96 | ** Because Zant presumably sent it there. Zant didn't pop up until around the point that the Twilight started flooding the Light. Meaning that the shard was sent back in time. Meaning that, while the shard has been in the past for centuries, it's only been there for centuries ''for the last few weeks.'' Long story short, TimeyWimeyBall. |
| 97 | ** As speculated above, Zant probably didn't put the shards where they are on purpose, but instead the shards (or some enchantment meant to protect them) teleported themselves there. The malice impregnated into the shards from their use as in one or more genocides are probably what corrupted the Temple of Time and filled it with/lured nearby monsters. |
| 98 | ** My thought is that maybe the Temple of Time still exists in the present. You just can't access it in the present because the entrance is blocked. |
| 99 | ** I think the door that Link passes through is similar to the Timeshift Stones - it doesn't actually take him to the past, but rather creates a projection of what everything in the area would've looked like back then. Thus, the mirror shard was hidden somewhere just beyond the Sacred Grove, which requires Link to pass through the door to get past the ruins. |
| 100 | [[/folder]] |
| 101 | |
| 102 | [[folder:The Postman running with wolves]] |
| 103 | * The postman will hunt you down and give you your mail, crying, "HEY, LINK!" He does this even if you're traversing the area in wolf form, in which case... How exactly could he know that it's you? |
| 104 | ** GameplayAndStorySegregation. The game treats it as canon that Link isn't traipsing around Hyrule Field in wolf form unless he has a reason to be in that form. From a story perspective, he's always in human form when the postman comes upon him, even if according to gameplay it is possible to be in wolf form when that happens. |
| 105 | |
| 106 | [[/folder]] |
| 107 | |
| 108 | [[folder:Helmet]] |
| 109 | * Why is Midna wearing her Fused Shadow Piece on her head? That makes no sense! It's a) heavy, b) covers one of her eyes (and therefore makes her unable to correctly tell the difference between near and far) c) is like presenting it to the enemy on a silver tablet. Come on, she put away the other three shards too, why was she so obsessed with wearing this one piece on her head?! Was she so fascinated with the [[ImpossiblyCoolClothes fashionable design]] or something? |
| 110 | ** When brought together, the four Fused Shadows are clearly intended to be some sort of a mask or helmet. Midna also doesn't have any way of carrying it with her, and it could very well be the source of all the powers she displays in-game - before putting it on, she's only shown walking, and the tentacles of the beast she turns into when she wears the complete set are meant to resemble the hand she can form from her ponytail, suggesting the one piece she starts out with is responsible for her ability to do that. |
| 111 | |
| 112 | [[/folder]] |
| 113 | |
| 114 | [[folder:Skeleton sounds]] |
| 115 | * How is Stallord able to roar without lungs or vocal chords? |
| 116 | ** Obviously, it's just the wind passing through the holes in his skull like the Howling Stones. Changes in pitch and intensity are caused by the skull moving around, [[ComicStrip/TheFarSide producing a sound not unlike a sustained roar]]. |
| 117 | ** [[AWizardDidIt Zant did it]]. |
| 118 | ** Further, where is his fire coming from? |
| 119 | ** [[AWizardDidIt See above]]. |
| 120 | |
| 121 | [[/folder]] |
| 122 | |
| 123 | [[folder:Lakebed Temple]] |
| 124 | * There's a temple at the bottom of Lake Hylia, the endpoint of the water that flows through Hyrule, referred to as Lakebed Temple. To enter it, you have to dive deep into the lake (once it's been refilled). There are large air pockets inside, but ultimately the entire temple is underwater. To reach the boss, you wear iron boots and dive for at least twenty seconds from the central (and not near the top) room of the temple. Yet, when you defeat the boss, it accidentally rams into the wall near the bottom of its massive chamber... causing the entirety of water to leak out. Where did all that water go? Water simply doesn't leak unless there's air below its position! Is Lake Hylia, and the rest of Hyrule, positioned in a small valley atop a mountain or something? |
| 125 | ** Lake Hylia is supposed to be the endpoint of all the water flow in Hyrule, that water has to go ''somewhere else'' eventually. Otherwise, wouldn't the lake eventually just overflow? A lot of other games imply Hyrule is surrounded by oceans beyond the mountains, so odds are there's some small tunnels or submerged passages hidden beneath the lake for the water to flow through and reach the sea. (Keep in mind that after clearing the Lakebed Temple, you become trapped as a wolf and can't visit the lake until Midna is cured, meaning it's possible the water level did rise significantly and Link just wasn't there to see it before it drained back down to normal.) |
| 126 | |
| 127 | [[/folder]] |
| 128 | |
| 129 | [[folder:Transforming in front of animals]] |
| 130 | * So you can't transform in front of people, but animals are okay? Wouldn't they be just as freaked out to see a Ordonian transforming into a wolf with an imp jumping onto his back? |
| 131 | ** Because they're incapable of communicating with humans, so there's no real danger in them witnessing Link transform. Zoras and Gorons don't seem to care if they see Link in Wolf Form but Midna won't let you transform in front of them, which would make sense because they could tell someone what they saw. |
| 132 | |
| 133 | [[/folder]] |
| 134 | |
| 135 | [[folder:Heavy boots]] |
| 136 | * If the Iron Boots are so heavy that even Gorons have trouble moving someone who wears them, then how is Link, a Hylian, able to ''push other Gorons'' while wearing them? |
| 137 | ** Leverage. Wrestling, even sumo wrestling, is about more than sheer weight and strength. Weight certainly plays a part, which is why you need the boots, but I know from experience that a smaller person can win such a match if they get leverage on their opponent. Plus, Link is shown right off to be the kind of guy that can stop a galloping goat with his bare hands. |
| 138 | ** Maybe the Hero's Clothes had a free pair of Power Bracelets included. |
| 139 | *** Alternatively, this Link doesn't need Power Bracelets/Gauntlets owing to both his own personal strength being much higher than previous iterations (he's a farmer/rancher, compared to either an island boy or normal child), and his own understanding of physics. |
| 140 | [[/folder]] |
| 141 | |
| 142 | [[folder:Took him long enough...]] |
| 143 | * The whole IFightForTheStrongestSide scene. Fair enough, King Bulblin presumably comes from a culture raised by that philosophy, but he's fought Link three or four times by then! Why did it take him that long to figure out that the guy who kept beating him was stronger than he was? |
| 144 | ** He wasn't sure if Link was stronger than his current master or not. Link was ''always'' stronger than him, but he wasn't certain if Link was stronger than Ganondorf/Zant yet. |
| 145 | ** Perhaps he chalked the first one up to luck? The second proves Link can beat him *reliably*. |
| 146 | ** Alternatively, he was holding back the first time (not that we can easily tell), and the second time he fights Link, he's going all in and holding nothing back, and his loss that time proves that Link is definitively stronger than him. |
| 147 | |
| 148 | [[/folder]] |
| 149 | |
| 150 | [[folder:Midna and the Twilight Princess]] |
| 151 | * So just about everybody by now knows that Midna is the Twilight Princess. The question is, she refers to ''Zelda'' as the Twilight Princess when you first meet her in the game. Is this just a hint of snarkiness on her part since Zelda's a captive princess in the Twilight Realm, or is there some deeper conniving going on here? |
| 152 | ** The real reason she calls Zelda that is so that players won't spend the game wondering who the ''Twilight Princess'' in the title is supposed to be. The only in-universe reason is that it allows her to throw some shade at Zelda about Hyrule being covered in twilight. |
| 153 | |
| 154 | [[/folder]] |
| 155 | |
| 156 | [[folder:Barrier]] |
| 157 | |
| 158 | * Does nobody in Hyrule Castle Town seems to notice the barrier around the castle? Were they all brainwashed by Ganondorf? Why are there guards and none of them is alarmed? Why does nobody notice a giant spider abomination climbing on the barrier and destroying it? |
| 159 | ** It seems likely that the barrier is meant to be InvisibleToNormals; there are a few people in town who have a sense that something's wrong -- for example, a Goron mentions how the air around the castle seems funny, and someone in the marketplace mentions how odd it is that Princess Zelda hasn't made any public appearances lately -- but none of them seem to know what's really going on. |
| 160 | |
| 161 | [[/folder]] |
| 162 | |
| 163 | [[folder:"Hero Chosen By the Gods"]] |
| 164 | * In the game Link is clearly called 'Hero Chosen By The Gods'. But thing is I don't remember Hyrule having any important 'Gods', so shouldn't he be called 'Hero Chosen By The Goddesses', seeing as you know they created Hyrule and the Triforce, and you know how nowhere is the any ever mention a male deity stronger then Din, Nayru and Farore. |
| 165 | ** The passage of time has a way of distorting terminology, especially when it comes to faith. |
| 166 | ** Throughout the games the trio have often been referred to as gods instead of goddesses. I always just thought it was a figure of speech. Alternatively, I don't think the Goddesses have a specific gender in the way we understand it (they have existed before the universe began after all), so they can be referred to as either male or female, and they're mainly referred to as female because that's what they look like. |
| 167 | ** Let's also remember that the Triforce is never referred to by name, only Shad mentions you're Hylian, everybody else seems to think you're human and various other oddities in relation to standard Zelda lore. It's not entirely out of place for the Goddesses to be referred to as Gods. It could just be the Light Spirits cutting down his title - 'Hero Chosen By The Goddesses' is a bit of a mouthful. |
| 168 | |
| 169 | [[/folder]] |
| 170 | |
| 171 | [[folder:Gifts]] |
| 172 | |
| 173 | * In the beginning of the game, Link is given the task of taking the Ordon shield and sword to Hyrule castle as gifts for the Royal Family. It's at one point mentioned that these gifts were specifically requested by said administration. (Wanting for an exact reference here, but I ''know'' it happened.) Why? There isn't anything overtly special about either of them, especially since the shield at least has much better versions available. What made them so important? And for that matter, why would Ordona owe the Royal Family anything? It's implied several times that Ordona isn't a part of Hyrule proper. Why would a little wooden shield and sword be important to the rulers of a kingdom? |
| 174 | ** There could be any number of reasons. Ordona is ''not'' part of Hyrule proper, but must have some connection; Twilight Link is the only Link who is confirmed to be a blood descendant of another, Ocarina Link in this particular case. Given the good terms Ocarina Link and Zelda were on, even though Ordona's not a part of Hyrule, if Ocarina Link had a hand in its founding, that would have given the tiny nation a diplomatic relationship with the Hylian royal family, and the sword/shield combo is iconic to Link himself. The Ordon sword/shield being outclassed as weapons doesn't matter if they weren't intended to be ''weapons'' in the first place; the gift is a ''symbol'' of continuing diplomatic relations between the two nations, via an icon that carries a world of meaning to the Hylian royalty, made with the best of Ordon craftsmanship. At least, that's my take on it. |
| 175 | ** The Ordon Sword and the sword alone was stated by Rusl to be a ''tribute'' to the royal family, not something they requested. Considering the fact that Zelda's coronation was supposed to happen the day Zant invaded and she was to become queen, it's a lot more understandable. They meant to send it as a gift to the new Queen. Why a sword? As far as I can tell, the only other things they could offer would be pumpkins and goat milk or cheese. Also I don't believe the shield was even mentioned by villagers until after their children were taken by monsters, when the Mayor said he was going to borrow another villager's wooden shield (that Link ended up taking) and the sword that was to be their gift to the royal family and use them to try and find the missing children. |
| 176 | |
| 177 | [[/folder]] |
| 178 | |
| 179 | [[folder:Disappears into light]] |
| 180 | |
| 181 | * When Zelda saves Midna's life by seemingly sacrificing herself, her body disappears. Later in the game after you beat Zant, Midna urges you to return to the castle so you can save Zelda, who... isn't there anymore. Her body does show up in the throne room when you confront Ganondorf, but how did it end up there in the first place? |
| 182 | ** Zelda has shown the ability to teleport in past games, and she likely knew her body would be left vulnerable by what she was about to do with Midna...It's possible she transferred her power to Midna and teleported herself to a secure location in the castle. Enemies were still lurking, after all, and it would be a bad idea to just leave her defenseless body out in the open. Unfortunately she didn't plan on Ganondorf showing up while she was vulnerable, and he took her body and put it on display in the throne room. |
| 183 | ** An additional reason for Zelda to do this is so Link and Midna wouldn't see her body collapse without her spirit (as happened in ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSpiritTracks Spirit Tracks]]'') and immediately panic or try to revive her when they should be escaping as quickly as possible. |
| 184 | *** In response to the previous two entries, if Zelda thought that her body would be placed in danger, wouldn’t it be better to let Midna warp it out along with herself and Link? Then they could store it somewhere safe until they were able to revive her. Link’s house, Telma’s bar, Kakariko Village—just about anywhere in Hyrule would be safer than the castle that’s currently under the control of Zant and Ganondorf. |
| 185 | ** Yet another possibility is that her body WAS completely gone, and then Ganondorf later used his magic to recreate Zelda's empty body, either so he could use it as a trophy or a puppet. |
| 186 | |
| 187 | [[/folder]] |
| 188 | |
| 189 | [[folder:Peace]] |
| 190 | |
| 191 | * Telma's group is trying to "restore peace to Hyrule." Does this mean that they are aware of the situation involving the Twilight covering Hyrule? Are they also aware that Zelda is gone and Ganondorf is in control of the castle? If so, are they trying to overthrow Ganondorf (as their name implies)? However, they have soldiers who apparently hang out in Telma's bar, and the soldiers are still guarding Hyrule Castle, which is under control of Ganondorf... I simply do not understand what is going on with Telma's group. |
| 192 | ** I got the sense that they knew that ''something'' was going on, and had heard about things like monsters and whatnot terrorizing people, but didn't know just what was going on. They were looking into it, and wanted to do something, but they lacked the knowledge and direction to do anything until Link came along. |
| 193 | |
| 194 | [[/folder]] |
| 195 | |
| 196 | [[folder:Traitor]] |
| 197 | |
| 198 | * Why did Zant call Midna a traitor? He's the one who did the backstabbing! |
| 199 | ** He's kinda crazy. In his mind, he was probably the rightful heir doing what he needed to, and she betrayed him by not standing back and letting him rule. Does it make sense to sane people? Of course not. |
| 200 | ** Not to mention, not only was she defying her rightful king (at least in his mind), but she also did so by teaming up with a ''light-dweller''. Even if Zant wasn't totally insane, he could have just meant it as betraying her kind altogether by fighting alongside one descended from those who had oppressed them. |
| 201 | |
| 202 | [[/folder]] |
| 203 | |
| 204 | [[folder:Yeto]] |
| 205 | |
| 206 | * How does Yeto get into and around the Snowpeak Ruins? You could say he just jumps onto the roof and drops down through the holes in the ceiling, but that wouldn't account for him somehow getting inside rooms like the parlor and kitchen...The ceilings in both these rooms don't have holes in them, and the doors are still too small for him to fit through. |
| 207 | ** Elastic body? Swording him does no lasting damage, just bounces him and Yeta around. |
| 208 | |
| 209 | [[/folder]] |
| 210 | |
| 211 | [[folder:Bar and Jovani's house]] |
| 212 | |
| 213 | * For that matter, how does Telma's Bar connect with Jovani's house? Given their location in Castle Town, the two separated by a street, with a few other buildings in between them. It would appear that Link exited some sort of air vent before jumping onto Jovani's pile of gold. And that's not to mention the differences in elevation since the bar seems to be underground while the other is built on ground level. So how did Link get from Telma's to Jovani's? |
| 214 | ** It's probably just that the transition between the two houses involves Link going through a long, convoluted underground passage that leads beneath the buildings and road and thus connects the tunnel from Telma's bar to the vent in Jovani's house. If so, the game's creators wouldn't have deemed it interesting or necessary enough to actually make players have to guide Link through it - I'd imagine it probably would've been too dark for them to see anything. |
| 215 | |
| 216 | [[/folder]] |
| 217 | |
| 218 | [[folder:Hero's skills]] |
| 219 | |
| 220 | * The Hero's Shade who appears in this game is confirmed to be the Hero of Time, or rather, a manifestations of his regrets, yet it seems to be his regrets over not being remembered as a hero or his inability to pass on the skills he learned in life that kept him from passing on. If he were really so absorbed in looking for Navi that he got lost in the Lost Woods and became a Stalfos, which is what I'm assuming became of him, then shouldn't never being able to find her be his biggest regret? His lifelong search is the reason he never passed on his skills, and it was something he willingly devoted himself to, so assuming he didn't end up finding her, considering how we never see her alongside him or hear any mention of her, then what made him change his mind about what he ''really'' wanted to accomplish with his life after he died? |
| 221 | ** Twilight Princess Link is a descendant of Hero of Time Link. He was not lost in the woods, and did not become a Stalfos. The lesson he learned in Majora's Mask is that even though Navi left, she's still his friend, and he can move on with his life. Presumably, he settled down with someone, but for whatever reason was unable to pass on his skills to his children. Maybe he just had a time of peace and there wasn't a need. |
| 222 | ** If he supposedly stopped looking for Navi after ''Majora's Mask'', when what was he doing back in the Lost Woods during the end credits? There was nothing in the game that suggested he was going to stop looking for her, and if anything, the mask salesman's words of "Whether that parting last forever, or merely a short time...That is up to you" would only motivate Link more to find her again. I assumed that he wanted to find Navi to at least assure her that she would always be his friend before he let her go again, like how the Giants did to the Skull Kid after they stopped the moon from falling - after all, they both seem to be the only two people in the world who actually remember everything they fought through. |
| 223 | ** So, if searching for your lost friend caused you to lose connection with your children? Wouldn't you regret it? |
| 224 | ** Of course it would. My ''point'' is that Link ''willingly'' spent his life in the Lost Woods searching for Navi, so much of it that he presumably died there, yet the game never makes mention of either his efforts to find her or ''why'' he decided to change his mind after he did. |
| 225 | ** Whose saying he did? The ending credits of Link in the Lost Woods could just as easily be interpreted that Link's returning home the way he came in. He doesn't have any inclination to stay in the Lost Woods forever. |
| 226 | ** And clearly he didn't, since Link in ''Twilight Princess'' is confirmed to be his descendant. But I think it's a bit more than notable that the Hero's Shade resembles a Stalfos, especially those from ''Ocarina of Time'', and his armor is interspersed with spots of leafy green vegetation, which would certainly suggest the possibility that he died somewhere in a forest, and as an adult. In ''Ocarina of Time'', it was said that anyone who becomes lost in the Lost Woods without the aid of a fairy would become a Stalfos - Link didn't have Navi with him, so that could be what happened to him. |
| 227 | *** Nothing about a fairy is ever mentioned in the whole "becoming a Stalfos" thing. Fado says that anyone who goes into the forest will be lost, and then become a Stalfos. Link lived his whole life in the forest, though, to the point he probably knows how to find his way there very well without any fairy to guide him. And honestly, I dispute this so-called resemblance between the Hero's Shade and a Stalfos. The only thing they have in common is the fact their heads are/look like a skull and they wear armour, a shield and a sword. The Shade is more of a skull-faced ghost than anything else. |
| 228 | *** I'll confess that I don't remember the exact sources, but I ''did'' read somewhere that people without fairies will become corrupted once they get lost in the forest, and that Navi was the reason why Link taking the wrong path (getting lost) in ''Ocarina of Time'' would lead him safely back to the entrance. The idea was that adults without fairies become Stalfos, whereas children would become Skull Kids. (Going out on a limb here, but I remember one source in particular stating that normal children who became lost would become Kokiri, and a Kokiri who became lost without his or her fairy would become a Skull Kid, but I haven't come across anything supporting this since then.) And I agree that the Hero's Shade can't be confirmed as being a Stalfos, but I do think it's a possibility at the very least. (He is covered in leafy vegetation, after all, which would fit with dying in a forest environment.) |
| 229 | |
| 230 | [[/folder]] |
| 231 | |
| 232 | [[folder:Escort]] |
| 233 | |
| 234 | * This may be overthinking what amounts to a joke, but when human Link enters Telma's bar, she discusses taking the Zora boy to Renado in Kakariko. A group of guards in the bar say that it's too dangerous, but they're willing to escort them. Then Telma mentions the vicious beasts along the way, and the guards all flee. So... if they didn't know about the threats, why did they say it was too dangerous without an escort? |
| 235 | ** Perhaps they themselves thought there was nothing threatening that could endanger them, but they made up the idea that there was something there in order to make themselves look more daring and worthy of praise, while banking on the assumption that Telma wouldn't actually have knowledge of the kinds of dangerous creatures they could come across...which, obviously, she did. |
| 236 | |
| 237 | [[/folder]] |
| 238 | |
| 239 | [[folder:Timeline]] |
| 240 | |
| 241 | * What was the exact timeline of events that transpired after Zant transformed Midna into an imp? During the scene in which we're shown what happened to her, he curses her on the balcony, and then it just cuts to her walking (limping) away from the palace, falling to the ground, and summoning the Fused Shadow. It's unlikely given how many Shadow Beasts were probably storming the place that she would've been able to escape without them just letting her go, yet later when she and Link meet with Zelda, it's mentioned that Zant is using the Shadow Beasts to ''look'' for her. Well, if he didn't want her running loose, when why did he let her leave in the first place? |
| 242 | ** Limping implies she didn't get away easily. |
| 243 | ** No, I'm not sure she would've gotten away at all if anyone tried to oppose her. We're talking corrupted, darkly-enhanced creatures and a guy wielding near-unlimited strength and power, going up against someone who just had all of hers taken away. I used the word 'limping' to describe what it looked like Midna was doing - with how deformed and disproportional her body appears to be, and how we never even ''see'' her walking on the ground throughout the rest of the game, I'd guess that at that point she was still trying and failing to figure out how she was supposed to carry such a huge-looking head around with nothing but those tiny legs to support her weight. Luckily, she didn't have to - she remembered she had the Fused Shadow and realized she could use the powers ''it'' gave her in place of walking in order to get around. An answer I've sort of come up with through thinking a little bit was that maybe Zant ''wanted'' to let her go at first, in effect so he could turn the search for her into some sick, demented hunting-type thing. As in, instead of just letting the Shadow Beasts strangle her right there in the palace, he lets her go limping away for now so that he can watch with satisfaction at how hopeless her plight is after setting his might forces on her like hunting dogs. He just...didn't foresee the Fused Shadow as coming into play with all this. |
| 244 | ** Perhaps he just... changed his mind. He might have just let her go, seeing her as insignificant and likely to just get killed in the wilderness, but once she made it into the Light World, he reassessed how much of a threat she could potentially pose to his plans. Heck, the "shadow beasts searching for her" thing might have been incredibly recent, only starting after she broke into Hyrule Castle's dungeons and freed the one prisoner who wasn't properly affected by the Twilight (and thus special in some way). For all we know, Zant could have come down to the prison to interrogate/investigate/torture/etc. the special prisoner but found he was gone. If Zant detected the Twilight magic Midna used to break his chain, he would likely have deduced Midna's involvement and sent out a search party. We don't know how long it took Link and Midna to get to Zelda from the dungeons (story-wise), and a gap of a couple hours would be plenty. |
| 245 | *** Zelda's dialogue and Midna's response both suggest that Zant is looking for Midna for reasons completely unrelated to her springing Link from the dungeon. |
| 246 | |
| 247 | [[/folder]] |
| 248 | |
| 249 | [[folder:Royal heir]] |
| 250 | |
| 251 | * So, Midna is supposed to be a member of the royal family, while Zant was a servant or otherwise confidante of the royal family. Yet, for some reason, Zant expects that he will become the next king until he learns he got passed over for Midna. I don't get it; why wouldn't Midna have been the heir from the beginning? |
| 252 | ** We're never exactly shown how the government of the Twilight Realm works - it's possible that royal blood alone isn't enough to get you the throne there, and that they hold elections between the different candidates to see which one of them gets it...Or, perhaps this was a special case, as Midna was perhaps considered unfit as first, due to being female or too young when her predecessor's reign ended, but all it took was a look at Zant for the Twili to see the greed in his eyes and realize who the more competent leader would've been. |
| 253 | |
| 254 | [[/folder]] |
| 255 | |
| 256 | [[folder:Master Sword requirements]] |
| 257 | |
| 258 | * In games like ''A Link to the Past''/''A Link Between Worlds'', ''Ocarina of Time'', and ''The Wind Waker'', Link always has to go through a number of trials and collect a number of sacred artifacts, [[RuleofThree usually three of them]], in order to be deemed worthy of wielding the Master Sword. Yet in this game, the only defenses anyone seemed to install in order to uphold those necessities are... super-jumping across a gorge, a game of hide-and-seek with a little pumpkinhead in a forest maze, and moving large statues into certain places. I know that Link has already gone through three dungeons by this point, but those were part of the quest for an entirely different objective. What made the gods/sages/powers that be so remiss when it came to safeguarding the sword against evil or falling into the wrong hands? |
| 259 | ** The Master Sword can't fall into the wrong hands -- literally, only the right hands can even hold the thing. The trials are to test if the wielder is worthy, not to keep it protected. |
| 260 | ** So where were the trials that tested whether Link was worthy in this game? And for that matter, if only Link can draw the sword from its pedestal, then why does he need to go through any trials at all? |
| 261 | ** One of the major themes of this game is the icons and figures of older games having faded from public memory, hence why the Triforce and the individual goddesses are never referred to by name. It's possible the Master Sword did have protections and failsafes in place that were similarly lost and forgotten over the years. As mentioned, by the time Link gets to the Sacred Grove, he's achieved sufficient growth to be able to withstand the implicit might of the sword, anyway. |
| 262 | [[/folder]] |
| 263 | |
| 264 | [[folder:Clearing Twilight in Desert and Peak]] |
| 265 | |
| 266 | * How were the Desert and Peak Provinces cleared of twilight, if neither of them seem to have light spirits and Link doesn't visit them during the first part of his adventure? |
| 267 | ** Maybe they were never overtaken by the Twilight, much like Ordon. They might even have their own unseen Light Spirits. It seems that Zant decided to strike at the heart of Hyrule first, and just then spread out to the outer territories. And then he just gave up, for some reason. |
| 268 | ** Zant wouldn't have much reason to cover Desert or Peak in Twilight. Nobody lives in those regions so it would just be a waste of time and energy. |
| 269 | ** If he had wanted to, he probably just hadn’t gotten around to it before Link and Midna started disrupting his plans. The twilight had only just overtaken Faron Province the day Link’s adventure began, with the tides turning once Zant tried to make a move against Ordona. The desert and snowy mountains with no residents or light spirits protecting them can wait. |
| 270 | [[/folder]] |
| 271 | |
| 272 | [[folder:Gor Coron]] |
| 273 | |
| 274 | * After you've beaten Gor Coron in a sumo match, the Gorons on Death Mountain threaten that Link will pay dearly if they find out that he cheated. But he did cheat. Do they not notice the boots he's wearing that are made out of solid iron? |
| 275 | ** Perhaps, even as far as the Gorons are concerned, what the sumo match is partially a test of is whether or not you have the Iron Boots. They know that the mining facility is not possible for humans to traverse without them, and since it's also not possible for the standard hero to win in a sumo match against a Goron without them, the latter makes a suitable test for the former. Thus, it's not a cheat (though what would be a cheat is still unknown), but one of the points of it. |
| 276 | *** Presumably, they'd count "cheating" as things like illegal moves (closed-hand blows, stomping on your opponent's leg, etc.). Same kinds of things that get you disqualified in real Sumo |
| 277 | ** Another thought is that, to the Gorons, the Iron Boots aren't cheating, so much as a way to level the playing field. They know that humans can't compete with their innate weight and size (being made of stone and all), so they see the boots as a way to compensate for the discrepancy. What they see the Sumo contest as is a way to gauge strength and skill, so the boots are simply a way to level the one inborn advantage they have to let it be a true contest. |
| 278 | ** The Iron Boots don't give Link any advantage over Gor Coron when it comes to pushing him out of the ring. The Gorons are probably allowing it as a handicap for Link out of a sense of honor and fair play. |
| 279 | ** Note that Mayor Bo doesn’t warn Link to keep the boots a secret from the Gorons, but everyone else, particularly Renado. He’s obviously not worried that the Gorons would consider it cheating; he’s probably just concerned about the secret to his beating them getting out, which would rob the story of that legendary factor. |
| 280 | [[/folder]] |
| 281 | |
| 282 | [[folder:Yeta]] |
| 283 | * Is Yeta actually a human woman? I mean, really, she's about 1/3 of the size of her husband and doesn't resemble him in any way, plus her "fur" is actually a large sweater. |
| 284 | ** It's difficult to tell how truly out-of-place she is, since she's unfortunately the only female Yeti seen in-game, though I'm willing to bet that she is one - she's got green hair and toenails, the shape of her head is consistent with her husband's as well as the pelt that Ashei wears, she speaks in a way similar to how Yeto does, and it's been long-debated whether her fur/sweater is supposed to be fur or a sweater. |
| 285 | ** Actually, about the fur-sweater debate...The pelt Ashei is shown wearing does appear to have a diamond pattern near the neckline, similar to the one seen on Yeta's body, hinting that it's more likely something natural...which probably means that female Yetis may not even have arms. |
| 286 | |
| 287 | [[/folder]] |
| 288 | |
| 289 | [[folder:Gorons in bar]] |
| 290 | |
| 291 | * I can understand the Gorons in Telma's bar kicking Link back out the door when he tries to enter in wolf form, but how could they have not noticed Midna on his back? She's very clearly injured, what with her heavy breathing and being slumped over and such, and she certainly looks human enough to not easily be mistaken for some sort of horrible monster, and is also large enough to be noticeable and warrant at least a good look...Not to mention, she seems to speak the same language as everyone else, meaning she could just explain to them that she needed to get through. Or is it just that people from the world of light can't see her? |
| 292 | ** I always thought that Midna would freak a lot of people out. There are plenty of humanoid beasts around Hyrule. Also, most people you come across as Wolf Link get scared because they think he's the same type of dark creature that the twili beasts are. That already doesn't make sense to me, but it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to think they'd be wary of an actual twilight creature like Midna. That or they really just don't see her tiny black form on Link's black fur while they're busy kicking him out. What's more of a headscratcher is how she holds on when Link tumbles all the way over. |
| 293 | ** She was probably using the last of her strength (or magic) to hold on as tightly as she could. Remember, she doesn't think she's going to survive the night - her only goal is to for Link to get her to Zelda so she can communicate to her about how to break his curse. She figured she'd be dead soon enough, so she had to make her last few hours worth it. |
| 294 | |
| 295 | [[/folder]] |
| 296 | |
| 297 | [[folder:Ordona]] |
| 298 | * Where exactly did Ordona come from? In the cutscene where Lanayru goes Exposition Fairy on us, he specifically states that the THREE light spirits sealed the interlopers away - implying him, Eldin, and Faron. Clearly leaving Ordona out. This could imply that Ordona did not take part in the Interloper Wars (unlikely, since ignoring that would be hard), or that she was a recent addition to the group. If it's the latter, then why was she recently added? |
| 299 | ** Ordona presumably came into being in the same way as the others - the only reason she didn't obtain a fragment of the Fused Shadow was because the Golden Goddesses knew that Zant would eventually rise to power in the future. Thus, they gave three of the pieces to Faron, Eldin, and Lanayru, and left the fourth one in the hands of the Interlopers when they were banished, to ensure that Midna would have an advantage. The Ordona Province may not have been annexed into the kingdom of Hyrule at the time of the Interloper War, as well, which also explains why she wouldn't have been present. |
| 300 | ** It's also worth noting that Ordona is the only one of the four Light Spirits whose name is not derived from one of the goddesses (La'''nayru''', El'''din''', and '''Faro'''n). So it's quite possible that Ordona is, for lack of a better way to put it, of lower rank than the other three because it isn't connected to a specific goddess. |
| 301 | [[/folder]] |
| 302 | |
| 303 | [[folder:Securing Link]] |
| 304 | |
| 305 | * Zant knows by the start of the game that Midna is running around Hyrule with a Fused Shadow on her head - Zelda confirms this herself when she mentions how the shadow beasts are trying to hunt her down - so assuming he knows the legend of the sacred beast who will come to save the Twili, why didn't he have any more security around the cell where Link was first held as a wolf? Or better yet, why wouldn't he just be there himself to ambush Midna in person? |
| 306 | ** I think he was busy trying to consolidate power and expand territory. He probably didn't even realize that Wolf!Link was imprisoned before Midna got to him first. |
| 307 | |
| 308 | [[/folder]] |
| 309 | |
| 310 | [[folder:Empowering Zant, empowering Midna]] |
| 311 | |
| 312 | * Prior to the events of the game, Ganondorf instilled a fraction of his Triforce's power in Zant, granting him the force he needed to [[spoiler: overthrow Midna]] and presumably survive in the light world. Why, then, when Midna is near-death due to her inability to withstand light, does Zelda not try doing the same thing? Instead, she seems to pass the Triforce of Wisdom ''fully'' to Midna, instead of merely gifting her with a fraction of its power while still leaving some to sustain herself. |
| 313 | ** Other than healing Midna, it could be because Zelda wanted to keep the Triforce of Wisdom out of Ganondorf's reach. If Zelda kept the Triforce of Wisdom in any way (as an entire piece or say, 1/8 piece of it) to herself, she'd risk Ganon taking it from her, thus allowing him to become stronger. Triforce of Power + 1/8 Triforce of Wisdom still sounds pretty intimidating, so it was probably best to rid herself of the thing entirely. |
| 314 | ** Something to note is that Midna was in MUCH worse shape than Zant ever was, dying of some kind of light-based affliction. It's possible that while Zelda normally could have given her a portion of her power to grant immunity to light, the fact that she was already dying required Zelda to give her everything to prevent that. Alternatively, the wielder of the Triforce of Power simply has MORE to give than the wielder of the Triforce of Wisdom, and thus while Ganondorf could give enough away to be significant without it appreciably draining himself, Zelda had to give all of it to make a difference. |
| 315 | ** One possibility is that Zelda gave Midna the entire Triforce of Wisdom as a way of proving to Midna that the Light Worlders are NOT all like the ones who sealed Midna's people away. As a sign of her absolute faith that, when the chips are down, she has faith Midna will do the right thing, instead of showing distrust which might further alienate Midna |
| 316 | [[/folder]] |
| 317 | |
| 318 | [[folder:Warping human Link]] |
| 319 | |
| 320 | * Midna will only warp Beast Link around, despite it being clearly obvious that she can warp Hylian Link around. Was there ever a reason given besides... well, a reason from an InUniverse or an actual game balance/development perspective, period? |
| 321 | ** One explanation by be to keep a low profile. After all, if someone sees a huge wolf come striding up to them, with an imp on his back, no less, witnessing him dissolve into strange black particles and disappear into a portal wouldn't come as much more of a surprise than anything else. On the other hand, Link as a human is viewed as a hero to some and an average Hylian boy to others, so warping in that form would be much more conspicuous. Another reason would be that the few times Midna does warp Link in human form - after gaining a Fused Shadow or a Mirror Shard - would be to a new burst of power she gains from them that allows her to warp him in a different form. And a third...could be that she just likes him that way. As she puts it, he looks ''much'' better as a beast than in the dusty old clothes he usually wears. |
| 322 | *** So Midna really likes wolves? |
| 323 | ** Her people tell the tale of a blue-eyed beast who will appear to save them from evil. Link in his wolf form is basically her world's equivalent of a knight in shining armor. |
| 324 | ** Another possibility is ease of transport. Hylian Link is fundamentally of the Light Realm, so traveling through Midna's Twilight portals may be somewhat strenuous on her (Not super bad when stepping through a few rooms, but very draining trying to cross Hyrule), whereas Wolf Link is a Twilit being, so traveling through the Twilight portals is less difficult |
| 325 | |
| 326 | [[/folder]] |
| 327 | |
| 328 | [[folder:Killing countrymen]] |
| 329 | * Why does Midna never seem at all troubled or upset by the fact that the shadow beings she helps Link slaughter throughout the game were originally innocent members of the Twili, her own people? I know that she's supposed to be this mischievous, snarky character, and that they were all beyond saving after being corrupted and brainwashed by Zant, but you'd really think the caring, dedicated ruler she's shown to be later would feel some sort of regret at being forced to watch them die, wouldn't she? |
| 330 | ** It is implied that people from Hyrule can be turned into Twil creatures under the right circumstances so maybe she realized that some of the Twil Creatures weren't her people and she simply didn't care? Than again that means Link is killing his own countrymen! |
| 331 | ** Well, the hero of ''A Link to the Past'' kills mind-controlled knights. Link never seems very concerned about the moral nuances of DemonicPossession, so I don't imagine he'd lose too much sleep over it. Under that premise, this theory is pretty plausible! |
| 332 | ** Link's side of things, however, is at least a touch more understandable, for three reasons... One, Midna is practically ''forcing'' him into fights with the Shadow Beasts, meaning he has no choice but to fight them without time for second thoughts; two, he doesn't find out until after he's killed more than 10 of them that some of them are actually innocent people; and three, even then, they would still have to be people he doesn't know squat about and thus would find it difficult to truly feel empathy for, unlike Midna, who, as the Twilight Princess, should know at least indirectly a majority of the Twili she helps Link kill. Also, residents of Kakariko village are really the only viable candidates who could have been transformed, as the Shadow Beasts are never seen invading areas like Ordon Village or Castle Town - thus, I'd wager a majority of the creatures are probably still Twili. |
| 333 | ** I figured it was either to keep the game being too dark or a normal thing missed by the developers. Midna would suck it up and allow Link to kill because he had to. Showing her look resentful or depressed over the circumstances with a few words acknowledging the tragedy could've been shown at best. I wonder if such a statement would've boosted the age-rating? Also, most characters in this type of action-genre tend to mass murder for the greater good without a thought. It's possible the creators didn't even consider it, since it's so normal. |
| 334 | |
| 335 | [[/folder]] |
| 336 | |
| 337 | [[folder:Midna speaking of the Mirror]] |
| 338 | |
| 339 | * At one point, Midna tells Link about how she heard legends of the Mirror of Twilight and how it could potentially lead them back to Zant. Question is, shouldn't she already know that it exists? How else did she get to Hyrule in the first place? If Zant sent her to Hyrule, then the question is now, why didn't Zant just take her prisoner in the first place? If he did try but she escaped, once again, how else did she get to Hyrule unless she used the Mirror of Twilight? |
| 340 | ** Maybe ''she'' didn't need it (though whether it's because of her headgear or whatever is a mystery), but someone from the light side would. Alternatively, maybe she was using it all along without realizing it, even with it broken, and it's just that someone from the light side who would need to stand in front of a fixed mirror in order to go there. |
| 341 | ** I've come up with a theory that Zant may have let her go initially so that he could experience the satisfaction of watching her be helplessly strangled by shadow beasts after being hunted down like the little beast he seems to view her as. But then Midna brought out the Fused Shadow and used its powers to evade him and put an end to that plan. As for the mirror and her knowledge of it, I'm not quite sure. Perhaps she used it to travel to Hyrule and then warped somewhere else from the desert - therefore, since she doesn't know squat about the kingdom's geography, she didn't know how to reach it again later on. |
| 342 | ** The mirror can only be opened one way: from Hyrule's side. As long as it's open travel is possible both ways for some reason, but if there was a way to simply activate the mirror from the other side, the Twilight wouldn't be much of a prison. Zant and Midna must have first come to the Light World by some other method, probably something that was only available due to Triforce magic (with Midna piggybacking in whatever method Zant and Ganondorf used to escape, somehow). |
| 343 | *** It would still be a prison, though, since the Twili can't exist corporeally in the light world. |
| 344 | ** With Hyrule being overtaken by Twilight, maybe the boundaries between it and the Twilight Realm cease to exist, making it possible to traverse the two without the Mirror (hence how Midna was able to get to Hyrule without it). Now with the light restored, the only way to reach the Twilight Realm is to use the Mirror. |
| 345 | |
| 346 | [[/folder]] |
| 347 | |
| 348 | [[folder:Why Don't You Just Shoot Him, Zant?]] |
| 349 | * Zant confronts Link and Midna directly twice before his boss battle (after getting all the Fused Shadows, and in the boss chamber of the Arbiter's Grounds). This implies he knows they're trying to stop him and could be a threat, but instead of annihilating them like he did with the Hylian military he just throws minor obstacles at them and never follows up to see if they actually died? It's bizarre that he's content to be OrcusOnHisThrone in the endgame when he clearly shows mobility and an awareness of the heroes' actions at other points. |
| 350 | ** The first time he confronted them, at Lanayru Spring, his ultimate goal ''was'' probably to kill them right then and there. Then Midna crossed him and, in my mind, he let his anger get the best of him by allowing Lanayru to return so he could force Midna into his light, even though this ended up backfiring by allowing the spirit to warp Link and Midna to safety. The next time he encountered them was when Link had the Master Sword, the one weapon that, no matter how powerful Zant is, is capable of harming him no matter what. So he reanimates Stallord to kill Link and shatters the mirror in case Link succeeds, doing everything short of killing him himself in order to try and hinder his progress. |
| 351 | ** But if he's so afraid of the Master Sword, why does he attack Link and Midna when they come to him? Sure, he seemed kinda nutty at that point, but the scene seemed to imply he was always at that level of PsychopathicManchild. He also should have followed them after he cursed Midna to make sure it worked, if he cared so much about torturing her to death -- leaving them for dead is a complete VillainBall. And honestly, what else is he spending his time on? Ruling the twilight realm doesn't seem to require much of him. |
| 352 | ** He fights them in the Palace of Twilight because by that time, he's frustrated ''beyond'' frustration over them being such a persistent thorn in his side, he knows that he has nowhere else he can run to, he foolishly believes that his "god" will resurrect him even if he does happen to fall, and is basically throwing a temper tantrum and not thinking straight by that point. As for earlier, Lanayru warps Link and Midna to a random point in northern Hyrule Field, meaning Zant would have no insight as to where they could be at that point, and he also doesn't know that they have a way into the castle to see Zelda (the passage Telma told Link about earlier), meaning he could just as well assume that Midna will be dead before Link can get her there, leaving him trapped as a wolf forever with no way to communicate with Zelda, no way to reach the Master Sword (he can't make the jumps across the gorge on his own), and thus, no way to serve as a threat any longer. |
| 353 | ** Another possibility is pure, spiteful sadism. He doesn't just want them gone, he wants to BREAK them. He wants Midna to see all her hopes and desires torn apart in front of her, to have her crawl back to him, begging forgiveness and recognizing his greatness. He wants to kill the light-dweller she travels with painfully, to show her just how great he is, how wrong she was to defy HIM. Only by the Palace of Twilight has he plain snapped, because by that point, he's LOSING. At that point, he doesn't CARE about hurting Midna, or breaking her spirit, he just wants them both DEAD. |
| 354 | [[/folder]] |
| 355 | |
| 356 | [[folder: Zelda's knowledge of Midna]] |
| 357 | --->'''Midna:''' Princess...I have one last request...Could you tell him...how to find the mirror of twilight...?--\ |
| 358 | '''Zelda:''' ...Midna, I think I realize now just who and what you are. |
| 359 | * What did Zelda realize about Midna in this scene? That she was a Twili? If so, shouldn't she have been able to figure that out already by the fact that she lived in the twilight? Or was it that she was the Twilight Princess? If so, how could she have figured so much out from Midna merely asking where the mirror was? She seems to understand in this moment the horrible things Midna has gone through...so what sensible conclusion could she have come to that would lead to to this knowledge? |
| 360 | ** [[AWizardDidIt Maybe the Triforce of Wisdom gives you impossibly good intuition?]] |
| 361 | ** You're taking the line to literally. This is Midna dying. Midna an ally who claimed not to care about Link, or Zelda or the Lightworld, on her deathbed, still trying to give Link a method of fighting. It isn't that Zelda understood what Midna's title was, she probably knew from the very start, Zelda is saying she understands Midna's true nature and character. |
| 362 | ** ...I'm not sure that I am. If Zelda just meant it as "I understand that deep down, you're a good person," she wouldn't have phrased it like she did. The implication of the scene is that Zelda is shocked upon learning that Midna is really, truly, the Twilight Princess, yet is still willing to help save the world of light. She's shocked at this because she understands Zant's hatred for light-dwellers is what caused the events of the game, and that Midna, one of his own kind, was only an innocent bystander who got in his way, yet she's bore the brunt of his evil tyranny just because he wanted her throne. |
| 363 | ** Another possibility is that, while Zelda hasn't figured out exactly who Midna is, she realizes that Midna isn't just some Twili, but someone of high status. Someone connected to the royalty in some way. It'd be akin to a dying Hylian memtioning the Triforce or the Master Sword's resting place. Things only those in high echelons of status know of |
| 364 | [[/folder]] |
| 365 | |
| 366 | [[folder: Pieces of Heart]] |
| 367 | * Wouldn't it make more sense for Link to take damage in fifths of a heart in this game, since it takes five Pieces of Heart to create one Heart Container? |
| 368 | ** Perhaps, though I guess they'd have to make some attacks take more sections of heart to compensate. |
| 369 | [[/folder]] |
| 370 | |
| 371 | |
| 372 | [[folder:Midna's curse]] |
| 373 | * Why didn't the Master Sword dissolve the curse Zant placed on Midna, as it did Link's? They were both cast using his evil magic, weren't they? |
| 374 | ** Well we know no one other than Link has the ability to wield the Master Sword so Midna probably can't physically touch it without risking serious health issues. Maybe if he stabbed it with her it would break her curse but that wouldn't help much if it killed her. |
| 375 | ** The Master Sword has never been a catch-all curse-breaker in other games; it's more likely that breaking the curse on Link was a conscious decision on Fi's part. She probably knew that this wolf who approached her was actually her master in an altered form. But there's no reason for her to have knowledge of what a Twili is, so she more likely misidentified Midna as some sort of demon or other monster, and wrote off the evil aura surrounding her as a side effect of what she was rather than a curse. |
| 376 | [[/folder]] |
| 377 | |
| 378 | [[folder: Why must you go?]] |
| 379 | * Why did this game end with Link departing from Ordon Village? Where did he go? And ''why?'' The other two games where Link left his home at the end at least had an obvious reason for it - in ''Ocarina of Time'', he went into the Lost Woods to search for his only friend Navi, while in ''The Wind Waker'', he left Outset to travel the world in search of a new land to call Hyrule, as he and Tetra had promised the King of Hyrule. But here, Link knows where Midna is, he knows that she's happy, he has friends in Ordon Village, and he's not completely alone in the world with no one to reminisce with about his adventure like the Heroes of Time or Winds. |
| 380 | ** It's possible that he just didn't feel the same after his adventures. It can be hard settling back into civilian life after months of hard combat like Link had to face. I always thought he just ran off to seek more adventure, or at the very least, explore unknown locations. |
| 381 | *** Or simply to travel Hyrule, looking for Midna and keeping an eye out for more dangers to the people (since Ordon was rather insular and protected from the troubles beyond the woods, but Link had seen the perils of the world). |
| 382 | ** I always saw it as being similar to what happened to Frodo at the end of the ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings''; he changed so much during his adventures that he simply didn't feel at home there anymore. |
| 383 | ** Maybe now that he's officially met Zelda and obtained the Master Sword he's heading off to Hyrule to work as her personal guard. Even though Ganondorf and Zant are defeated, it would make sense for the only other Triforce wielders to stick close together in case more threats develop. |
| 384 | ** For what it’s worth, the tie-in game Link’s Crossbow Training was initially planned to have a narrative that followed up on the events of Twilight Princess, but the developers were forced to scrap that concept. If it had been completed, we probably would have been able to see exactly what Link got up to after leaving home. |
| 385 | [[/folder]] |
| 386 | |
| 387 | [[folder: Those chosen by the gods]] |
| 388 | * Why does Link's Triforce piece transform him into a ''wolf'' when he enters the twilight? The Triforce of Wisdom is shown to allow Zelda to retain her true form, as does Ganondorf's presumably, and there are certainly a number of circumstances and situations that his human form would be better-suited to deal with. |
| 389 | ** I always figured that the wolf transformation was caused when one of the shadow creatures tried to corrupt Link into one of them. The triforce reacted to it's host being tainted by darkness by countering it with it's own power which only let the corruption devolve him into a beast rather than a full on monster. |
| 390 | ** Link's transformations whenever he is pulled into the twilight is caused by him being pulled right through the wall of darkness to get there...A wall made entirely out of the Shadow Crystals seen later. And my question is why does he turn into a wolf, of all things? Zelda's Triforce piece allows her to remain human, whereas Ganondorf's turns him into a...demon pig or a huge flaming head-thing, so what's with the inconsistency between the three of them? |
| 391 | ** I think you just explained it. Link only transforms when he gets pulled through the wall. If he went via the mirror or if Twilight covered the land while he was in that region then he'd probably remain hylian like Zelda. It's the wall itself that changes him. Which just begs the question, what would happen to Zelda if she was pulled through such a wall? |
| 392 | ** The wolf transformation is explicitly stated to be an alternative to the spirit transformation regular people go through in Twilight. It has nothing to do with the wall, as everyone who turns into a spirit is already inside the area when it gets covered, same as Zelda. As for why the Triforce pieces offer different protection measures for each of the chosen ones... well, there are a lot of weird details like that which never get explained in the early plot of the game, so I'll guess the devs never bothered to create a reason other than "we want Link to be a wolf and Zelda to remain human". |
| 393 | ** Well, that sort of begs the question of why Link does transform into a wolf when Zant attacks him after the Lakebed Temple, but not when he uses the Mirror of Twilight to enter the Twilight Realm. (The twilight of the realm isn't inherently "evil", either, so it can't be because he has the Master Sword to protect him.) |
| 394 | *** It seems like the "natural" Twilight of the Twilight Realm just doesn't affect people the same way Zant's artificial Twilight affected the people in Hyrule. The Dark Interlopers were slowly changed over time into the Twili, rather than immediately reduced to spirits, for example. It's only Zant and Ganondorf's influence that makes Twilight react to people the way it does. |
| 395 | [[/folder]] |
| 396 | |
| 397 | [[folder:Warp Wolf]] |
| 398 | * So wait, Midna can warp Link out of boss rooms without turning him into a wolf... but use any other portal, and it's ''canis lupus'' time? I guess in terms of gameplay, it keeps you from just freely warping everywhere before you can transform almost at will (and, speaking of which, enforces the the special limitation of having to be out of sight first), but... shouldn't you turn into a wolf upon leaving a dungeon? Or is it because the boss room portals are her magic, while the others are Zant's/Ganondorf's? |
| 399 | ** I don't believe the portals Midna makes at the end of every dungeon are necessarily the same kind as those formed from shadow beasts. For one, the swirls in the center of the two look different from each other, and those made inside dungeons are completely flat and don't actually have Link travel inside them. It's possible the latter type are harder to make, as they cause Link to spawn from twilight right in the middle of nowhere and in a form that is normally incompatible with the Twili's shadow magic, hence why Midna is only able to create them after having obtained a new burst of power from the latest-gained Fused Shadow or Mirror Shard. Some especially strong evidence in support of this, I believe, is during the final battle, when Midna surrounds herself with all four Fused Shadows and is able to warp Link ''and'' Zelda in human form from the castle's throne room to Hyrule Field, without a portal on either end. |
| 400 | [[/folder]] |
| 401 | |
| 402 | [[folder:Killing a Triforce bearer]] |
| 403 | * What does it take to kill someone who bears the Triforce? In ''The Wind Waker'', Ganondorf is just eternally sealed. Whether or not he's actually dead is of little consequence. However, in this, he actually kicks the bucket, seemingly implied by the image of the Triforce of Power vanishing from his hand. So why would that happen? Is he no longer worthy because he lost to Link or did it just reach the limitations of its ability to protect him (having been stabbed through the heart by the Master Sword, the ultimate tool against evil in Hyrule)? I ask this because I want to wrap my head around how the "Hero Dies" timeline fork came about, since it seems like the scenario there is the Triforce of Courage offered no protection for its chosen bearer either. |
| 404 | ** The Triforce of Power is the only piece that can give its wielded nigh-invulnerability, by making them so powerful that it's extremely difficult, if not impossible, to kill them at all - the other pieces grant their own unique abilities, but longevity isn't one of them, meaning Link being killed isn't meant to be questioned. My guess is that Ganondorf was able to be killed in this game because his crest had already saved him from certain death once before, and even then, the sages' sword had to have done something more to him seeing how it left a glowing wound in his chest that he hadn't bothered to cover up. |
| 405 | *** Also, as a side note, Ganondorf was killed off for good at the end of ''The Wind Waker'' - before the final battle, he surrendered his Triforce piece alongside Link's and Zelda's, but the King of Hyrule got to the completed Triforce first, and the pieces went away and disappeared after he made his wish. That's why Ganondorf was able to be killed in the final battle, because he no longer had it protecting him. |
| 406 | [[/folder]] |
| 407 | |
| 408 | [[folder: Zant and the Fused Shadows]] |
| 409 | * Why did Zant leave Midna with a fused shadow on her head and only steal three? You think he'd want the full set. |
| 410 | ** He'd probably planned on taking all of them when he arrived and confronted them, but him trying to kill Midna by forcing her into Lanayru's light was just an impulse he acted on when she refused to side with him and hadn't been accounted for previously. This wouldn't have mattered though, because he assumed she would be dead soon enough - he had no knowledge of the secret passage into the castle from Telma's bar that Link had heard about earlier, or that Zelda would be willing to sacrifice herself. |
| 411 | [[/folder]] |
| 412 | |
| 413 | [[folder: Transforming Without Midna]] |
| 414 | * Okay, just finished the game story-wise, and I can't help wondering if Link can still transform into a wolf without Midna. Sure, you "need" her help in game, but that's probably more for ease of access for the player... right? Are we given any concrete evidence that he definitely needs Midna to transform? Or would all the magic shenanigans he got blasted with mean that he has the ability to do so on his own now? |
| 415 | ** He needs the Shadow Crystal in order to transform, and seeing as he can't even touch it ''without'' transforming, what's implied is that Midna kept it with her while they were on their adventure, and just poked at him with it whenever he needed to assume his beast form. So once Midna goes back to the Twilight Realm and shatters the mirror, no, I'd assume Link would remain as a human from then on. Hence why you're unable to transform during the parts of the final battle if Midna isn't with you. |
| 416 | [[/folder]] |
| 417 | |
| 418 | [[folder: Timeline]] |
| 419 | * How long after ''Ocarina of Time'' does this game take place? The backstory pretty much goes, "Link returns to his childhood at the end of ''Ocarina of Time'', rats on Ganondorf to Zelda and her father, and journeys into Termina while he's arrested and sentenced to death. Due to the Triforce of Courage coming back with Link, Ganondorf survives the execution due to the piece that came to ''him'', and then the sages banish him to the Twilight Realm out of desperation." Now, after all of this, enough time had to have passed for the Kokiri to vanish from the world, the Temple of Time to be overtaken by forest, and the Hero of Time to have started a family and sired a line of descendants. But Midna's coronation and overthrow by Zant, I can imagine only would've taken a few days, at most, after all of this, so what was Ganondorf doing that whole time, and why didn't he open up the mirror and return to the light world right away? |
| 420 | ** Time might flow differently in the Twilight realm. Also, don't assume that Ganon instantly had full and complete power over the Triforce the moment he had it. He probably needed time to build himself up before he could take another swing at things. |
| 421 | ** He also might have been waiting for the perfect patsy like Zant to come along, having figured that going back to Hyrule right away is something the sages would've expected him to do. And since it was the king himself who sentenced Ganondorf to death, you can bet that he'd be forewarned by the sages and prepped to stand against him if he tried to return so soon. All the better to lie low for long enough for any memory of him to have faded from the public consciousness. |
| 422 | [[/folder]] |
| 423 | |
| 424 | [[folder: An Invitation to the Past, or, The Temple Around the Corner]] |
| 425 | * Agitha sent invitations to the 24 golden bugs in the world. '''''ONE OF THEM IS IN THE DISTANT PAST'''''. This is less about whether this snail, the other snail, or, indeed, any of the ''actual'' bugs (It Just Gastropods Me?) she sent invitations to received them, and more about how she knew it was somewhere to begin with. |
| 426 | ** She's a ten-year-old. If she even ''did'' send any invitations, odds are the post office would've thrown them out, and so she just asks Link to aid in maintaining her little-girl antics by collecting bugs. Also, snails are hermaphrodites, being capable of changing their gender, so it's more likely the door Link passes through reverts the snail he caught in the present back to its original gender in the past. |
| 427 | [[/folder]] |
| 428 | |
| 429 | [[folder: Auru's plans for Link]] |
| 430 | * How did Auru expect Link to get out of the desert once he got in? Of course, we the players know that Midna can warp him out whenever he likes, but Auru doesn't know that, and he even acknowledges that the road leading there is impassable and cannot be traveled. Did he intend for Link to get stranded out there? |
| 431 | ** Auru might not know that Link is capable of warping, but he is aware that he's a capable adventure who's managed to get around Hyrule sufficiently without help. If he had raised the concern of Link getting out of the desert, Link would just assure him that he has ways of doing it and there's nothing to worry about. And since Link didn't voice any concerns, Auru would assume that he has it covered. |
| 432 | [[/folder]] |
| 433 | |
| 434 | [[folder: Ordonian clothing]] |
| 435 | * Why do they all have pillows wrapped around their waist with belts? Is this a safety precaution against the goats? A traditional fashion? What's going on? |
| 436 | ** Probably just the Ordonian's fashion sense. |
| 437 | ** As a thought, it's possibly their form of pockets or belt pouches akin to a Furoshiki or Kate-Bukuro pouch. Something that can store small items (by wrapping them in the cloth), or hold things that need ready access (held through the belt, with the cloth preventing it from digging into their abdomen) |
| 438 | |
| 439 | [[/folder]] |
| 440 | |
| 441 | [[folder: The Case of the Missing Gerudo]] |
| 442 | * At first I thought that because of their complete absence in the Gerudo Desert (or anywhere else in the game), that the Gerudo were victims of an InferredHolocaust because of Ganondorf's actions leading to their persecution. However, in ''Four Swords Adventures'', they're back to living in the desert and have their own little village set up. So where were they during the events of this game? |
| 443 | ** It's possible that the Gerudo traveled elsewhere after the events of ''Ocarina of Time'', leading to their absence here, and then returned to appear in ''Four Swords Adventures''. The arrest and attempted execution of their king can't have done their reputation any favors, after all. |
| 444 | ** Alternatively, there's no reason to say Link explored the entirety of Gerudo Desert. The borders are blocked off by sandy cliffs that Link can't climb, and the look of it implies that the desert stretches out for a while afterwards. Given that this portion of the desert looks to be basically uninhabitable, what with the sandworms and the total lack of even a small spring, not to mention the occupancy by an infestation of Bublins, it's likely the Gerudos just live in another part of the desert, most likely an oasis. |
| 445 | ** This does make some sense. In ''Four Swords Adventures'', the village where the Gerudo live is the first stage of that game's desert level, and you need to gain their permission to move forward as they protect the gate to the desert from outsiders, like in ''Ocarina of Time''. In ''Twilight Princess'', they could be living somewhere along the blocked path that normally connects Gerudo Desert with Hyrule. It's also been commonly theorized that Telma has some Gerudo in her, meaning remnants of the tribe could be living incognito amongst the kingdom's other residents. |
| 446 | [[/folder]] |
| 447 | |
| 448 | [[folder: Gale Boomerang]] |
| 449 | * Why did the game bother saying that Link's boomerang houses the "Fairy of Winds," when she only speaks to him once and then never again, and hardly qualifies as a character? I know she's the reason the boomerang has wind powers, but considering the other miscellaneous doodads Link has found throughout his adventures, why would the developers think we would draw the line at "boomerang with wind powers"? |
| 450 | ** This game takes a more realistic approach to the items Link typically uses; he doesn't have fire or ice arrows, and besides the boomerang, his most "magical" tool available is the Dominion Rod, which is explained away as being a piece of ancient Oocca technology. Having a boomerang that summons miniature tornadoes with no explanation, especially when boomerangs in other games have never had that ability, would've been very out-of-place if they'd left it at that. |
| 451 | [[/folder]] |
| 452 | |
| 453 | [[folder: Fused Shadows returned]] |
| 454 | * Why did Midna seem to think that getting the Fused Shadows back from Zant would be enough to restore her to her true form? She'd already collected them all and nothing happened, so why was she so surprised the second time? |
| 455 | ** The impression I always got was that Midna was counting on NoOntologicalInertia. It wasn't that getting the Fused Shadows back would cause her to revert, it's that beating the ever-loving crap out of Zant would. |
| 456 | [[/folder]] |
| 457 | |
| 458 | [[folder: Communication through the mines]] |
| 459 | * How are the Goron elders able to send word to each other of Link's journey through the mines before Link is able to get to each of them himself? And why didn't any of them use this same communication to tell the guard to let Link take the Hero's Bow? |
| 460 | [[/folder]] |
| 461 | |
| 462 | [[folder: Twili leadership]] |
| 463 | * How come Midna is called "Twilight Princess" throughout the game? If she was the official ruler of the Twilight (she could destroy the mirror and all), and Zant called himself a king, wouldn't her official title be "Twilight Queen?" |
| 464 | ** Probably the same reason Zelda is the ruler of Hyrule and yet is Princess, not Queen, Zelda throughout the game; Zant pre-empted her coronation. |
| 465 | ** But Midna could destroy the mirror, something only the leader of the Twili could do. The coronation is just a ceremony - she and Zelda both should've been considered queens even without it. |
| 466 | ** Another possibility is simply that the Twili don't use the term queen to refer to female rulers. In their view, "Twilight ''Princess''" may be the correct terminology. |
| 467 | [[/folder]] |
| 468 | |
| 469 | [[folder: The sages' knowledge]] |
| 470 | * Moreover, how did the sages find out that Midna was the Twilight Princess/Queen? At most, all they would've seen was her emerging from the mirror... Are they omniscient? Could they peer into the Twilight Realm and witness her overthrow? Was she just muttering to herself about what had happened afterwards and didn't realize they'd overheard her? |
| 471 | ** Her Fused Shadow piece, which she would have been wearing by the time she entered Hyrule, was probably the giveaway. The Sages likely knew that the piece was in the hands of the Twili's leader. |
| 472 | [[/folder]] |
| 473 | |
| 474 | [[folder:The animals' (lack of) reaction to Wolf Link]] |
| 475 | * How come that animals aren't afraid of Wolf Link, and talk to him so casually? Wolves don't just attack humans; they tend to prey on weaker animals as well. |
| 476 | ** Wolves don't seem all that common in Hyrule in this game - most animals assume by his looks that Link is actually some sort of monster (helped by the fact that he has a masked Twili girl riding around on his back), but can tell by his smell that he's not like the other monsters terrorizing them and is therefore trustworthy. A couple of them, like Telma's cat or the female monkey, are even able to recognize him as Link based on his smell. |
| 477 | ** Anyway, there are plenty of animals who are afraid of Wolf Link — birds, fish, the goats at the ranch. As for the ones who aren’t, maybe Link just explains to them that he doesn’t want to hurt them and isn’t really a wolf. |
| 478 | [[/folder]] |
| 479 | |
| 480 | [[folder: Killing vs. imprisonment]] |
| 481 | * Why did that shadow beast in the beginning choose to drag Wolf Link all the way to Hyrule Castle, instead of just killing him on the spot? If it knew enough to imprison him, that was most likely because Zant told them to be on the lookout for a blue-eyed beast who may rise to stop him...But then, once it found Link, why wouldn't Zant's first order have been to kill him on sight, rather than postponing his death and risking Midna coming across him? (And, yes, maybe Midna would've interfered had the beast tried to kill Link, but her being there obviously wasn't a given.) |
| 482 | ** It's possible that they had no warning of the "blue-eyed beast", but were instead taking him back because they realized that a human turning into a large wolf instead of becoming a spirit like he should have would have been of interest to their master. After all, if some humans had the ability to resist the Twilight for whatever reason, I'm sure that Zant would want to find out why. |
| 483 | [[/folder]] |
| 484 | |
| 485 | [[folder: Why can't anyone know about Wolf Link?]] |
| 486 | * Midna won't let you transform in front of other people, saying it would scare them...Why? Why can't Link just tell them, so that he doesn't have to transform in secret? It's not as if he's a normal guy who moonlights as a hero; he already has a bunch of strange items and abilities and everyone he's acquainted with knows that he spends most of his time doing hero work. Him being able to turn into a wolf at will shouldn't be that hard to stomach. I can understand him not telling, say, the people in Castle Town or random [=NPCs=] out in the overworld, but the residents of Ordon and Kakariko could probably be trusted with it. |
| 487 | ** Why risk being vilified as some kind of shape-shifting wolf monster? That's the kind of thing that will rattle and scare even close friends. |
| 488 | ** In addition, it would create more work for the development team. They already have to program the "Don't transform in view of people" rule for strangers, but then they would also need to write in the scenario of Link's friends and allies finding out his secret and how it affects their relationships with him, all for the sake of alleviating a petty gameplay concern that doesn't have any bearing on the story. It just wouldn't be worth that much effort. |
| 489 | [[/folder]] |
| 490 | |
| 491 | [[folder: Why didn't Zant cover Hyrule in Twilight again?]] |
| 492 | * At Lanayru Spring after you beat Morpheel, Zant soundly defeats Link and Midna, weakening the former and badly injuring the latter. After this, why did Zant not just re-cover the land in Twilight? He showed that the spirits were still no match for him, and you can even see what looks like the start of the Twilight Realm creeping in during that scene, but it never happens. Even if Link could eventually fix it again given time, Link did not have the time to do it right away, and it would deprive Link of allies and empower Zant's minions in the meantime. |
| 493 | ** My interpretation is that he wanted to deal with Link first, now that he knew he was around and posed a threat to his plans. Or maybe he didn’t really care about covering Hyrule in Twilight, and once Ganondorf returned there Zant was content to go back to ruling tyrannically over the Twili in his home realm. Plus, we know the light spirits can leave their respective springs, as they do during the ending, so it’s likely they were prepared to defend against a second strike from Zant’s forces and would’ve made things more difficult for him now that they’re forewarned. |
| 494 | ** It's also likely that covering the land in Twilight is simply a lot harder than Zant makes it look. The fact that Lanayru was even able to teleport Link and Midna away in the first place showed that Zant's ability to suppress/control it is limited. |
| 495 | ** Alternatively, it was a depraved attempt by Zant to make Midna suffer. He’d just forced her to endure supposedly fatal exposure to a light spirit, and even if getting her back into the twilight wouldn’t have saved her, it probably would’ve granted her more reprieve than forcing Link to ferry her around the Light World until she died. |
| 496 | [[/folder]] |
| 497 | |
| 498 | [[folder: The true ruler's magic]] |
| 499 | * Midna makes the argument that only the true ruler of the Twili can truly destroy the mirror, and that the fact that the mirror was merely broken is proof that she's the true ruler instead of him. However, dialogue also reveals that Zant was the next in line to the throne before Twili opinion turned against him. Why would that decision deprive him of his magical talent? Or is this magic somehow specifically granted to the leader upon coronation? |
| 500 | ** The only person who says that Zant was next in line for the throne is Zant, and his opinion could easily be chalked up to something like SelfServingMemory. Beyond that, his exact words are that he was denied the magical powers befitting their ruler, and the most official sources out there state that he was only a servant of the Twili royal family, of which Midna was an actual member. So even if the power could be passed around and he was in line to receive it before being rightfully turned down, it’s likely the power would’ve needed to be passed or transferred to him to begin with, possibly via a royal family member acknowledging his legitimacy as king or something. |
| 501 | [[/folder]] |
| 502 | |
| 503 | [[folder: Midna breaking the Twilight Mirror]] |
| 504 | Why did she do it? Was it to stop another Zant fiasco from happening again? If that's the case, then why wasn't the mirror just shattered in the first place? [[DidntThinkThisThrough Could have avoided the entire plot by doing so...]] |
| 505 | ** Midna says at the end of the game that the goddesses left the mirror in Hyrule because it was fated for her to meet Link and Zelda, which could’ve allowed for established relations and even a potential alliance between the people of light and shadow. Only problem is that Midna decided it wasn’t worth the risk of another conflict breaking out, but at least she’s now able to spread the word amongst her people that not all light-dwellers are evil and oppressive. |
| 506 | ** What’s more, the mirror was useful when it came to keeping Ganondorf contained, even if it was unfortunate for the Twili. At the time the crest of power saved him from execution, the Master Sword was still sealed in the Temple of Time and the Spiritual Stones were back in the care of their respective tribes. And then there’s the matter of the Ocarina of Time, which was entrusted to Link, who could still be in the Lost Woods searching for Navi or stuck preventing a whole different catastrophe in Termina, meaning he’s not in the immediate position to become the Hero of Time again. Long story short, the state Hyrule was in at the time would not have allowed for effective countermeasures to be taken against a Triforce-empowered Ganon without the Master Sword, the keys to the Master Sword, or the one person who could draw the Master Sword. It was only thanks to the mirror being there that he didn’t turn the kingdom into a wasteland unopposed. |
| 507 | [[/folder]] |
| 508 | |
| 509 | [[folder: Forbidden power]] |
| 510 | * How come the light spirits’ first idea of a weapon that Link could use to defeat Zant was a power so forbidden that they had to break it into pieces and lock them away for everyone’s safety? From an in-universe perspective, why not just instruct him to go get the Master Sword? Midna was already looking for the Fused Shadows, so it’s not like Link needed the light spirits to tell him about them, too. |
| 511 | ** It would be pointless. First, the Master Sword would likely not have accepted Link if he tried to collect it right away, because he hadn't yet proven his worth as a hero. Second, getting the Master Sword would have also required Midna to comply and help him, and at the time where Link first meets the Light Spirits, it's unlikely that Midna would have been willing to detour from getting the Shadows just to get a weapon that she can't even use herself. The Spirits likely knew of at least the first obstacle if not the second, and so sent him after the more accessible items. Finally, it was also in the Light Spirits' own interests to have Link and Midna take custody of the Shadows, because they were starting to cause problems in the communities the Spirits are supposed to protect. Just look at what happened to poor Darbus. |
| 512 | *** But Darbus is the only instance of the Fused Shadows causing trouble for their respective communities, and it’s doubtful Faron or Ordona knew about that. Faron Woods doesn’t have any native communities, and the problem the Zoras were facing had nothing to do with the Fused Shadow inside the Lakebed Temple. |
| 513 | *** The Shadows were also responsible for Diababa and Morpheel. It's highly likely, though never stated, that Diababa was responsible for Ook being infested by that parasite and terrorizing the monkeys (as otherwise it's unclear how Ook would know to come help you fight it). While Morpheel seemed to just be minding its business, it could have broken out of the temple and wreaked havoc at any time. None of the beings touched by the Shadows were 'supposed' to have done so. |
| 514 | ** Given what’s said at the end of the game, it’s possible the Fused Shadows were being kept for Midna to use them all along; thus, the light spirits had been informed that she and Link were to take them. In addition, the light spirits might not have known exactly where the Master Sword was. After Zant attacks Link and Midna, Lanayru can only advise them to seek Zelda out about returning Link to his human form, and Zelda is the one who tells them the sword is in Faron Province. Based on that, its location was probably a secret that only a select few knew about, and the light spirits were always planning to direct Link to find it via Zelda’s help, once he cleared enough of the twilight to get to Hyrule Castle in the first place. |
| 515 | [[/folder]] |
| 516 | |
| 517 | [[folder: Zant and Light]] |
| 518 | * Immediately after defeating Morpheel (Lakebed Temple), when Link and Midna are confronted by Zant, Zant puts his visor down. It's ''still'' down when he exposes Midna to light and afterward, when he turns around (probably to deal with Link). Why is Zant unaffected? |
| 519 | ** Because he was housing a portion of Ganondorf’s power (a.k.a. the Triforce of Power) at that point, just like how Midna can exist in the light once Zelda gives her her own cherished power. |
| 520 | [[/folder]] |
| 521 | |
| 522 | [[folder:Why did Ganondorf want the Light Realm to be covered in twilight?]] |
| 523 | * The reason the events of the game even occurred is because Ganondorf wanted to escape the Twilight Realm. Why did he want the place he wanted to return to to look like the place he was imprisoned in? It seems like if one were to escape imprisonment, he or she wouldn't want to escape to place that looks like his or her prison. Also, how does the Light Realm being covered in twilight benefit Ganondorf in anyway? |
| 524 | ** Going from past appearances, Ganondorf doesn't seem to care how dreary the state of his kingdom is. In ''A Link to the Past'', it was his wish upon the Triforce that turned the golden Sacred Realm into the Dark World. In the adult era of ''Ocarina of Time'', nearly every area is dreary and overcast until Link clears out their respective temples, with Ganondorf's castle built above a lava pit amongst the ruins of a town he razed. And in ''The Wind Waker'', he straight-up tries to cover the world in endless darkness with a curse of unending night and rain. Being dour and foreboding seems just up his alley, and with all the contempt he holds for perfect Hyrule and its people, he'd probably relish the thought of them being trapped as spirits who are clueless as to what's really going on. |
| 525 | ** Also, it’s shown after finishing the Lakebed Temple that Zant can control the light spirits as he pleases. Since he’s using Ganondorf’s power, that means Ganondorf could also dispel the twilight easily if the desire ever strikes him. |
| 526 | [[/folder]] |
| 527 | |
| 528 | [[folder: Post-amnesiac Ilia]] |
| 529 | * Why is it that the characters who know Ilia can’t just tell her who she is? Even if she can’t be filled in on every detail, you’d think it would benefit her not to have to worry about, say, her family or the place she comes from. Yet it’s clear from her dialogue that she hasn’t been told a thing, since she thinks Link is a stranger who’s helping her just to be nice. |
| 530 | [[/folder]] |
| 531 | |
| 532 | [[folder: The first portal]] |
| 533 | * What was the point of that red portal that King Bulblin summoned after kidnapping Ilia and Colin? The portal is gone when Midna warps Link back from twilit Hyrule Castle, and it only reappears later when you’re on your way to Faron Woods. If the red portal was meant to be used to steal Ordona’s light away, why didn’t that happen while Link was away at the castle? It can’t have been intended to steal the light from Faron; the twilight had already settled there when King Bulblin activated that portal. |
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