Line #32 Headscratchers/TheAddamsFamily


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2	[[folder: Of Debbie, Electrocution, And Idiot Balls]]
3	* Why is Debbie's final gambit in ''Addams Family Values'' to try to kill the Addamses with an array of electric chairs? First, the first movie established that the Addamses [[HarmlessElectrocution electrocute each other]] [[TooKinkyToTorture for fun]] all the time, so one hardly thinks they were in any danger, to begin with. Fine, let's suppose that Debbie wouldn't necessarily know this, so even if it makes for a kind of weak climax, it still makes ''sense'' from her point of view. Except… no. Her very first murder attempt on Fester was also with electricity, and she ''did'' find out about Fester's inexplicable immunity. So what did she expect the electric chairs to ''do''?
4	** Considering the amount of electricity she used to the point that she was turned into ashes when it backfired, it's likely that she took extra measures to be sure it will annihilate them, I mean, the charge was so high that she expected them to be turned into ashes, so it was not just a regular electrocution. On the other hand, they do seem genuinely worried (Fester begs her to let the others go and Gomez and Morticia say goodbye to each other whilst holding hands) thus you can argue that even they suspected that the electricity doses would be lethal even for them.
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7	[[folder: What Category Does Gomez Fit Into?]]
8	* It's obvious with the other members of the family what sort of unworldly "monster" they are meant to be - vampire, werewolf-thing, mad scientist, witch, evil unearthly child, etc. But Gomez. I've never been able to work him out. Whose culture and folklore is he a monster too, and what sort of monster? He just looks generically creepy but not in a way that evoked any particular trope. Is his being a lawyer enough on its own?
9	** Gomez is a sweet but energetic parody of the GreatWhiteHunter who often interacted with "exotic" types, including the unworldly. Think of him as a zany Allan Quartermaine (Creator/HRiderHaggard). That is why he lives in a home filled with taxidermied animals, he studies "orientalist" and "arabesque" novelties such as his parody of yoga, his physician is an African WitchDoctor, and he uses GentlemanAdventurer diction such as referring genially to adult male guests as "Old Man" and praising something with the phrase, "Capital idea!"
10	** The Addams Family was originally intended to combine stereotypes associated with degenerate aristocrat families in classical Gothic novels with the idealized nuclear family as depicted in television shows in the '50s and '60s, juxtaposing the two for comedic effect (though much of this effect is lost on modern audiences.) There just happens to be a lot of overlap between the Gothic and Horror genres.
11	** Not sure about other depictions, but Raul Julia's swashbuckling antics seem to represent a Gomez who evokes the image of the dashing slayer of monsters. If that's the case, then the fact that he has more in common with the "monsters" than with society at large is not unsurprising.
12	** My take on it was that Gomez was a non-supernatural human, but had gone insane.
13	*** He's not entirely non-supernatural, as he's immune to various poisons, unharmed by other things that would kill a human (such as being hit on the head with a wrecking ball), sometimes lights cigars without a match, and the films imply he has six toes on one foot (which if the comics are anything to go by, Wednesday inherited) and a deleted line in Addams Family Values was going to suggest that his son Pubert had a tail... the people saying that most of the Addamses are not specific horror creatures are correct, but Gomez ''is'' still actively supernatural in some ways (though also heavily based in "human dashing-villain tropes" as someone below mentions). What we do know is: that his mother is a witch; his ancestors include pirates, warlords, and other bloodthirsty-but-not-explicitly-supernatural villains; his family ''also'' includes some people/beings who are much less humanoid than him. Also, IIRC, he was referred to as a "half-breed" in some notes from Charles Addams? Considering Satan is confirmed to exist in the 60s show (and implied in the films what with Morticia's comments about the "dark forces" and their "hellish crusade"), and Gomez attributes his seemingly supernatural luck to "someone down there" liking him--as well as responding simply with "yes" when called a devil--he might be some form of HumanDemonHybrid?
14	** Technically only Grandmama is actively supernatural. Morticia only dresses like a vampire, mad scientists and serial killers aren't magic, etc. The original comic Gomez does, however, look like some depictions of a werewolf's human form.
15	** The Addams family are not supposed to be direct allusions to movie monsters like their counterparts, the Munsters. They're just supposed to be a supernaturally goth family that enjoys things "normal" people find horrifying (death, rotting, pain, the occult, darkness, nightmares, etc).
16	** Either that or he's [[Franchise/CthulhuMythos Nyarlathotep.]]
17	** Interesting feedback. I started to wonder if given the name Gomez, he was representative of something not entirely wholesome in Mexican, or possibly wider Latin-American, folklore and horror - something associated with the Day of the Dead in Mexico, for instance, or perhaps a well-dressed stylish Zombie.
18	*** Probably not, as the ''other'' name which the show's makers had considered giving him (the illustrated originals having had no names) was Repelli.
19	** I figured he was meant to be a werewolf, based entirely on that intense stare he gives in the intro. It just didn't come through very well during the performance.
20	** I always figured he was inspired by various ''human'' dashing-villain tropes, a la AristocratsAreEvil, TheHighwayman, and so forth.
21	** He's a lawyer.
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24	[[folder: Debbie's Romance (or Lack Thereof)]]
25	* So on ''America's Most Disgusting Unsolved Crimes'' early in ''Addams Family Values'', [[Film/{{Airplane}} Captain Oveur]] says that the Black Widow targets wealthy men seduces them, marries them, and then kills them on the wedding night for the insurance/inheritance. But then later during her slideshow, Debbie makes it pretty clear that she marries for love (or whatever) and stays with it for a couple of years before killing her husband when he pisses her off.
26	** The bigger question is, why does Debbie even bother killing her husbands anyway? She obviously could live the luxurious life she wants if they stay alive as she did with Fester.
27	** It's possible after the times she got pissed off and killed her husband, Debbie decided "okay, no one seems to love me so I'll just marry guys and kill them to take their money." Or something like that. Remember she did try to kill Fester on their wedding night. The ones on the slideshow were the ones she cared about when she married them.
28	*** She also killed her parents before that. I think the idea is that nobody can live up to her insane demands, so after repeated disappointments she just starts killing them off, to begin with.
29	*** Debbie was a complete sociopath. They are selfish and arrogant even when they're not complete psychopaths. She believes that the world revolves around her, that she's always right, that she deserves to have everything she wants, and she's without any sense of empathy for others. She thinks nothing she does is wrong; all those people she killed? They deserved it.
30	** There are two possible answers to this, as far as I can see:
31	*** 1) Debbie is a true black widow like the news paints her out to be and she just uses the emotional stuff to justify her crimes to herself and her victims
32	*** 2) Debbie is a sociopath who does indeed get emotionally attached and then responds to the smallest slights with murder, but since she hasn't been caught by the police yet, the news is only reporting the currently accepted theory about her motivations.
33	*** Or combination of this points. Motivations in Debbie's monolugue not exactly coresponded with her acts during movie, and she probably lied to Addams (and maybe herself). But police probably don't know all about her acts and motivations and has to theorized about it.
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35	[[folder: Fester's Love Life]]
36	* The idea in Addams Family Values is that Fester is desperate for a girlfriend, leading him to settle for Debbie. Yet in the first movie, didn't Gomez say in the past he was jealous of Fester's great love life? Remember, Fester was dating the twins Flora and Fauna Amore, and Gomez stole them away? Then suddenly Fester can't get anyone else because... why? This is a family that managed to marry off Cousin Itt, after all.
37	** I always assumed that Gomez's thinking that Fester was more attractive than him was just the result of Gomez being delusional and that women only ever showed an interest in Fester because he was the eldest son in a wealthy family. Once it became apparent that he wasn't going to be taking possession of the house (and control of the family fortune along with it) women would have stopped bothering with him.
38	** Don't know what you're talking about. Cousin Itt is a catch.
39	** Possibly, after having been away so long, all his former cousins/girlfriends are married by now.
40	** Fester lost his skill with women as he got older, perhaps?
41	** Fester was also gone for 25 years, during which time he had amnesia and was living as "Gordon". He got his memories back at the end of the first film, but note that both Gordon and Fester have ManChild tendencies; it's possible that he never really "matured due to his unique situation". Gomez has become a rather suave and capable adult; Fester stayed mentally as an adolescent and isn't as capable of handling an adult relationship.
42	** Note that Fester identifies himself as a virgin in "Values". Perhaps Gomez's memories of Fester's success with women aren't quite in sync with reality.
43	*** Gomez and reality are, at best, passing acquaintances anyhow.
44	*** Gomez isn't really on speaking terms with common sense either. Come to think of it, only Morticia and Lurch seem to consistently use it.
45	*** Maybe, young as he was, his success with women didn't lead to sex?
46	** He could be jealous of Gomez and Morticia’s stable relationship. One thing is to have a lot of love conquest and another is to have a solid marriage and a family.
47	** Two things to remember: first, women (in general) want different things at different ages. Fester's supposed success with women was mostly when he was a teenager or in his early twenties. At that point his immaturity probably seemed "adorable" and "boyish", and that, combined with his wealth and apparent eccentricity, would have been very attractive... but not so much when he's a middle-aged man. Second, Fester is socially awkward and rather oblivious, even by Addams's standards... he could have been absolutely dripping with women throwing themselves at him and not even noticed it, but obviously, Gomez would have.
48	** Isn't kind of implied, or at least left ambiguous, that he is Gordon Craven, and he made up the amnesia thing to stay with the Addams? He looks at the camera when Wednesday is telling the story sarcastically and we see him shaving the head even as Fester is shown in the old family tapes to be naturally hairless. If that's the case that could explain the differences between young Fester Addams and Fester!Gordon's sexual experiences.
49	*** The look on his face in that scene is one of embarrassment. They're telling the story of how he got amnesia and he looks too shame. He even covers his face at one point to indicate this. Also, he couldn't be lying, because he lights a lightbulb up with his mouth and in Values, he survives a toaster being thrown into his bathtub. Those are Addams traits, so he couldn't be a normal human masquerading as an Addams.
50	*** The complicity look is when he's closing the doors. But in any case, if he's the original Fester is hard to explain why he shaves his head and is not naturally bald as he was like that since he was a kid (and in case your answer is going to be, maybe he shaves his head since he's a kid, then that causes another question; why Wednesday acts like she finds out that he isn't the real Fester when she discovers he and Mrs. Craven shaving his head and they both act like "Damn, the kid catch us!" unless shaving is something Fester doesn't need to do).
51	*** Wednesday also heard them talking about getting the Addamses' money and needing to get Gordon into the vault. I think that's what did it. Not the shaving.
52	*** It seems that according to WordOfGod he did intend Fester to be Gordon Craven who makes a HeelFaceTurn at the end, but the actors preferred it to be the actual Fester, and to some degree, you can see the clues for Sonnenfeld's original ending, so I guess both options are left to the viewers' discretion.
53	*** It might be both: it's actually Gordon but he's possessed by the original Fester and the two eventually make peace and merge into a single person.
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56	[[folder: I Need a Hand in Figuring This Out]]
57	* At the end of Family Values, whose hand was it that popped out of Debbie's grave, and what happened to the nerdy kid afterward?
58	** It's Thing.
59	*** You sure about that? I saw an arm, not just a hand.
60	*** Legitimately, canon for Thing is that he sometimes is a hand attached to some amount of an arm. It just seems stranger in the films, because they chose to show Thing outside of any containers, and with a defined stump.
61	*** It was Thing and his cousin, Another.
62	** Perhaps Debbie came back as a zombie, or Wednesday stuck the fake arm in herself. As for what happened to the nerdy kid, I had this thought that he died from being freaked out.
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64	[[folder: Who Are They Singing To, Anyway?]]
65	* Something I never noticed until my last viewing of the first film. During the intro, is it just me, or are the carollers standing in a circle singing to each other instead of to the residents?
66	** No, they're standing in a straight choral line up and the camera is panning over them. It just feels like it's moving in a circle because we're so zoomed in on their faces. They're standing in the front yard singing out toward the street, rather than singing at a closed door. I think this is normal for carolers but I could be wrong.
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68	[[folder: Sight on Thing]]
69	* This might be more of a general Addams Family question but how does Thing see? OK, maybe he feels his way along the ground (or whatever he's touching), but what about when he was spying on Fester in ''Addams Family Values''?
70	** ''This'' is your problem with a self-mobile disembodied hand?
71	** Well, Thing is a bit of a mystery. He got a crush on another living hand named "Lady Fingers" in one episode, got sad in "Uncle Fester's Illness", and got angry in "Mother Lurch Visits", so he has emotions. It is unknown where they come from, though. And we also see a picture of his parents, who are just two hands holding hands and it's unknown how they "made" him or what "species" he is. And again, he can see (and hear), but it is not revealed how. Not sure if this raises questions or answers or a bit of both.
72	** Back in the 1960s when the original TV series aired and then during its heyday in re-runs in the 1970s, a common fan theory was that Thing was a [[EldritchAbomination multi-armed Cthulhuan entity in a pocket dimension]] and the hand we saw was the only part of him that extruded into our reality. There was even fan art of what Thing looked like in his native dimension. This was used to explain why Thing could teleport from box or box or even into a mailbox or tree bore, why Thing was sometimes a left hand and sometimes a right hand, why Thing sometimes included an entire forearm, and how Thing always seemed to be aware of what was going on around him and the location of the nearest box or container. However, that fan theory has pretty much disappeared from public memory at this point.
73	** well episode "Morticia Meets Royalty" shows there's an entire species of disembodied hands around: Thing meets Lady Fingers who is the literal handmaiden of Gomez's aunt who is royal by marriage and is later (for a while) replaced by an older and uglier hand. Answering the headscratcher at least in the TV show for what we can take from Thing's and other of his species' movements and reactions they see through their fingertips. Things are murkier in the movies where the "sight" seems to be located around the wrist.
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75	[[folder: Why did Wednesday Run Away?]]
76	* In the original movie, when Wednesday [[spoiler: learns someone is posing as Fester,]] she runs off. What does she do with this important, vital information? Bring it to one of her parents? No. Why does she run off and fall asleep in a small mausoleum?
77	** Maybe she was heartbroken and cried herself to sleep. She may be an Addams, but she's still a little kid.
78	** She ran away and hid to avoid being caught by Gordon's mother and ended up hiding so long that she fell asleep. As the troper above points out, she's just a little kid, and little kids sometimes nod off.
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80	[[folder: You Don't Play Your Cards Right]]
81	* Why was there an Amy Fisher card in the "Schizos and Serial Killers" trading card collection? Technically she's neither; she never actually killed anybody.
82	** It's - uh... It's a rookie card.
83	** She's still insane, so she falls under the "Schizo" category.
84	** She might not have killed anyone in ''our'' reality, but in the world that the Addams Family movies are set in has the Addams Family and a set of fan collector cards for serial killers, an alternate person exists who qualifies for one of those cards, somehow.
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86	[[folder: The Mysteries of Fester]]
87	* Why does Fester have electrical superpowers and why can he eat everything?
88	** He's an Addams.
89	** The movie MILDLY explains part 1. He got struck by magical lightning from a book. It never...QUITE faded away. The latter? He's an Addams.
90	** In the TV series, each Addams seems to have an individual talent for ignoring some part of ordinary reality (in addition to the family's general invulnerability to things that would kill regular human beings). Fester had his electricity, Morticia could produce smoke curling outward from her body, Ophelia grew flowers atop her head, Gomez kept cigars in his pockets that were already lit, etc.
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92	[[folder: On Blood Being Thicker than Water]]
93	* When Gomez says that blood is ThickerThanWater, Morticia replies "Thank heavens". What does that mean?
94	** Well, if blood was thinner than water when you cut someone it would all just come gushing out way too fast, you wouldn't have time to enjoy it. Plus it would probably throw off the consistency of various cooking.
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96	[[folder: Moody Morticia]]
97	Isn't Morticia a little bit OutOfCharacter in "Cousin Itt and the Vocational Counselor"? She and Gomez were only pretending to fight but then she thought he was serious and didn't accept his apology. Even worse was when she wouldn't let him go to bed and he had to sleep on the couch. She even ''threw'' things at him. Isn't that a touch OOC?
98	** The way I see it, Gomez must have overcommitted to the role. After all, Gomez is rather passionate about staying in a role. (remember Lurch's mother?) The first thought that came to Morticia's mind was that on some level, Gomez meant what he was saying. She's upset, not angry. And the next day, they manage to make up, with Gomez admitting he's been a cad, and Morticia admitting she's been a fool.
99	*** But the thing is, Gomez wasn't a cad. He was only ''pretending'' to be a cad (I hate that word). And why did Morticia say that she was a fool for "sending [Gomez] out into the cold without a thought to [his] sinuses"? He's an ''Addams''. He probably ''likes'' the cold. And CatchYourDeathOfCold is a myth and even if it wasn't, Gomez plays with ''dynamite''.
100	*** In the episode where Gomez and Morticia tell how they fell in love, Gomez is laid out by his sinuses. It's his passion for Morticia that fixes the problem. Maybe she was worried about a relapse?
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102	*** It's likely this is just a joke playing into the Addams' typical inverted logic: she doesn't worry about her husband playing with dynamite, wrestling bears, or doing other insanely dangerous things--but a ''cold!'' Heaven forbid!
103	*** Just because Gomez is unharmed by dynamite doesn't mean he can't get ill or is unaffected by cold weather. In the flashback episode, before meeting Morticia, he was quite sickly (his mother mentions him having been ill for 22 years--and he's 22 years old, so it's not just hypochondria unless a baby can be a hypochondriac--and he has bronchitis as well as complaining about his sinuses) and mentions feeling worse in the cold to the point of wearing several layers to go outside in July. While he seemed to be cured by his love for Morticia that doesn't mean he's ''immune'' to getting ill: he mentions having had pneumonia in another episode (though Dr. Mbogo cured it with kerosene), and Morticia asks "what about your sinuses?" when Gomez wants to go on a sea voyage to find treasure, and several times either Morticia or Gomez himself thinks he might have a fever. (He mentions having a "sinus attack" in another episode too, but at that time he seems to be referring to being allergic to incense rather than ill.) He ''does'' mention liking storms or rain a few times, but generally only when he's inside and ''watching'' such weather, rather than outside ''in'' it.
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105	*** No family is perfect. Wouldn't the Addams be dull if they just got along perfectly all the time?
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107	[[folder: Morticia's Immunity]]
108	How come Morticia seems to be immune to cyanide?
109	* She's an Addams.
110	* And she's also a bit of a [[TheVamp vamp]]/BlackWidow archetype (albeit the rare happily married kind). Perhaps she's so accustomed to dealing with lethal poisons that she's developed an immunity to them.
111	* She's implied to be a vampire, given her general appearance, the Dracula-like lighting on her eyes, and the fact that she never smiles widely enough to show teeth. Maybe OurVampiresAreDifferent is at play and her species isn't bothered by cyanide.
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113	[[folder: I Need to Pee, But I'm All Tied Up]]
114	In one episode, Morticia states that once she tied up Gomez for a sport and it took three weeks for him to get untied. How did he go to the bathroom?
115	** Gomez is rather skilled in yoga. Getting tied to the chair wouldn't have left him completely immobile, just restrained.
116	** When has ANYONE in a TV series from that period ever had to use the restroom?
117	** Same as anybody normally does, but with a lot more mess, since he was tied up.
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119	[[folder: Just How Old Are You Again, Wednesday?]]
120	How come Wednesday's the youngest, except for in ''Values'' and the musical when she's the oldest? And how come in the musical, she's gotten older but Pugsley hasn't?
121	** Not every Addams property is connected. The comics are different from the original TV show which is different from the original movies which are different from the third movie (ick) which is different from the cartoon which is different from the Broadway show.
122	** In the original TV show and comics, Wednesday is younger than Pugsley, but in the movies and Broadway show (separate universes) Wednesday is older and the age gap varies. It's just a matter of different creator interpretations.
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124	[[folder: I Fail to Understand]]
125	In "The Day Gomez Failed", Gomez attempts to fail by knitting a sweater when he can't knit. But if he'd never failed before, how does he know he can't knit?
126	** Generally, if people have never tried to do something, never learned how to do something, practiced doing something, or had any remote contact with the thing, then they can't do it. Most people, for instance, are pretty aware they can't swim across the Pacific without actually attempting to swim across the Pacific first.
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128	[[folder: Extended Family Members]]
129	Whose uncle is Uncle Fester and who's Gomez's dad?
130	** In the 60's TV series, Fester is Morticia's uncle. We never see Gomez's father, however. Does anyone have an idea about that?
131	*** Gomez's mother Grandmama lives with them because she's a widow; this was a fairly common real-life situation at the time the series first aired. Gomez and his mother moved to the US from Spain sometime after his father's death when Gomez was still a child. This is explained when his father's old business partner comes to visit with his daughter and reveals that, before his death, Gomez's father had set up an arranged marriage between Gomez and the daughter.
132	** In the 90s movies, Fester is Gomez's brother, making him Wednesday and Pugsley's uncle. Grandmama is Morticia's mother.
133	* It feels as if there's some inbreeding going on in the Addams' clan, which might explain why they're so odd and have so many physical quirks. For example, Morticia refers to many former Addamses as if they were her ''own'' relatives--Great-Aunt Calpurnia and Uncle Knickknack, for example--rather than specifying that they're the ''children's'' uncle or her husband's. This could mean that either she's so much a part of the family that she just refers to all her in-laws as if they're her blood relations (highly likely, since the Addams seem to be a close-knit and welcoming family and once you marry in, they treat you like you were born there) or they might, in fact, all be interrelated, in which case it might be too complicated to specify that Knickknack is Gomez's uncle but Morticia's second cousin. Everyone's just an Addams, so Uncle Fester and Cousin Itt are ''everyone's'' uncle or cousin, no matter how they're rela^ not quite. In the 60s TV show, Morticia is a Frump, she is the daughter of Hester Frump (who appears only in a couple of episodes and in ''Halloween with the Addams Family'') and sister of Ophelia Frump who is Morticia's identical sister. Fester is Morticia's uncle (notice that Fester is never referred to as Fester Addams in the show) therefore if he's Hester's brother then his last name is probably whatever maiden name Hester had or if he's Morticia's paternal uncle then he must be Fester Frump (again, his last name is never told). Now, this would make Fester the great-uncle of Pugsley and Wednesday and technically should be called "great-uncle Fester" by them, however, is not uncommon in some families to call great-uncles just "uncles". Grandmama is Gomez's mother in this version and is indeed a widow. This structure is kept more or less in the 70s animated show.\
134	Of course, this raises the question of who are the Frumps and how they have the same bizarre behavior as the Addams, but the same can be said about Lurch who is not from any of both families. \
135	Now in the 90s movies, this changes a lot. Fester is Gomez's brother and therefore the uncle of Wednesday and Pugsley, also Morticia's brother-in-law, Grandmama is Morticia's mother and Gomez's mother-in-law, and Gomez and Fester's parents are both dead (died together lynched by a mob). Almost all other versions (including ''Reunion'', the 90s animated show which is based on the movies, and ''The New Addams Family'' kept Fester as Gomez's brother, however in the animated show and in ''New'' Grandmama is back to be Gomez's mother (in fact ''The New Addams Family'' brought back the Frumps including Hester and Ophelia (also played by the same actress who played Morticia as in the original show).\
136	As in the example before, in the 90s movie, although Morticia's and Grandmama's last name is never told, we are still shown that at least two families of strange people collide (three if you count Margaret when she joins the Addams clan through Cousin Itt).\
137	Finally in the musical, a recurring gag is that neither Gomez nor Morticia knows who is Grandmama's mother as they both thought she was each other's mother. Fester is Gomez's brother again.\
138	So to sum up: Fester is Gomez's brother in most versions but not the original show and Grandmama is Gomez's mother in most versions except the 90s movie and ambiguously in the musical, which I hope answers your question.\
139	What we can take from all this is that in all these universes there's an entire subculture of goth-looking sadomasochistic bizarre-loving people with some inhuman abilities from different families which often intermingle.
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141	[[folder: Why Does Death Visit the Addams Family?]]
142	In "Death Visits the Addams Family", the GrimReaper comes and wants to take Gomez away. Why?
143	** Why not?
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145	[[folder: Can Addamses Catch Colds?]]
146	Okay, this might sound like a weird question, but I once dreamt that the Addams family all got colds and because I'm someone who hates sickness and is a little afraid of it, I didn't like that dream at ''all'', but it got me thinking...'' can'' an Addams catch a cold?
147	** Fester did get rather sick at one point, but I wouldn't call that a cold. That's as close as you can get, given their ability to shrug off mortal wounds. So yes and no.
148	** In Addams Family Values, Pubert gets sick and it turns him into a golden-curled, rosy-cheeked angel, which Gomez and Morticia are extremely worried about. So I think it's safe to say they can get sick in their own way, being on what's needed for the plot.
149	** Explicitly yes, in the 60s sitcom. Gomez has one a few times, and was, as a child, generally quite sickly.
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151	[[folder: Humour]]
152	In "When You're an Addams", Gomez says that Addamses must have a sense of humor, however when they sing the "Keep your X" lyrics, where X is something the Addamses are known to dislike, one of them is "Keep your laughter". So do Addamses have humor or not? Not to mention that Gomez has laughed a few times in the series.
153	** This is a typical Addams Family joke. They are said to detest anything stereotypically happy and uplifting despite evidence to the contrary. They also have a tendtendrmal human things and flip them on their head. So the Addams's idea of a joke might be shooting someone in the eye with a crossbow, whereas a normal human wouldn't find that funny at all. So perhaps humor is OK if it's Addams-style humor, but laughter (while participating in) is referred to as something negative (because to normal humans it's positive).
154	*** Basically everything positive is negative and everything negative is positive for the Addams, but it's played very loosely so they're still relatable to the audience.
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156	[[folder: Why does the Addams family need a nanny?]]
157	In ''Adams Family Values'', Morticia and Gomez hire a nanny after the birth of their baby. Neither Morticia nor Gomez work, they share a house with two other adult relatives (Fester and Grandmama) who could help with the baby, and they have a butler who takes care of the household chores. Why would they need a nanny when they had so much time on their hands and so many helpers?
158	* The Nanny wasn't for Pubert. She was for the other two, to keep an eye on them and not kill the baby. At least that's how I always figured it since all the nannies are shown interacting with Wednesday and Pugsley.
159	* Morticia wishes she had more time "to seek out the dark forces and join their hellish crusade." Naturally, Gomez will do anything to make his wife happy, so he hired the nanny to give Morticia some extra freedom. And since the Addams' was initially a parody of eccentric Old Money families, it wouldn't be uncommon for such a family to employ a nanny even if other adults in the household could theoretically look after the kids.
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161	[[folder: Lucas marrying into the family in the musical]]
162	* When Lucas marries Wednesday, does that mean he'll be able to see and interact with the ancestor ghosts?
163	** Yes, though you needn't even wait that long. When Lucas and his parents become more Addams-like and accept the Addams Family as they are, with his father even thanking Gomez for helping to reinvigorate his marriage, Gomez's death, instead of losing a daughter as he had feared would happen, the Addams Family has gained three Beinekes (Beineke being the other family's surname). After that, Lucas and his parents all start to visibly react to the Addams Family ancestors around them, even dancing with some.
164	[[/folder]]
165	[[folder: Wednesday having a problem with Debbie calling Pubert a brat]]
166	* Why did Wednesday have a problem when Debbie called Pubert a brat? She's an [[BlueAndOrangeMorality Addams]] for crying out loud? They like pain and express their love through the torture of each other and admire evil deeds. The baby's name is Pubert which is dirty on its own and the parents thought of other sinister names before this one. Shouldn't the word brat be a compliment to their standards? Yes Debbie doesn't lo and Wednesday might've been suspicious of her, but the word brat still shouldn't piss Wednesday off.
167	** Because the Addams having utterly inverted values isn't viable, and thus can't be portrayed consistently. Portrayed consistently, the Addams' inverted values would result in them grinning and torturing each other to death "Event Horizon" style in the first minute of the movie. So they love pain and death, except when they don't. They float from harmless goth types with morbid aesthetic tastes to psychopathic mystical horrors from moment to moment depending on whether the plot needs them to be relatable or darkly funny.
168	** Probably because someone ''hired'' specifically to care for him shouldn't be disparaging him. Just because the Addams are strange doesn't mean that some of them don't know how the world works. Wednesday goes to a regular school and probably understands the job of a nanny.
169	** Also, it’s part of the joke; while the Addams Family “play” with extreme torture devices and try to kill each other, they all see it as perfectly good fun. Emotional pain isn’t their cup of tea: Wednesday and Pugsley try to kill each other, but to them, it’s the equivalent of playtime, and we rarely see them trust each other’s feelings, because if they did that then it’s no longer playtime and just an argument, which is never pleasant, no matter what. It’s why whenever the Adamses argue or feel betrayed, it’s taken more seriously than when they try to maim each other. After all, to the Adamses, guillotines and electrocution are fun and games, but calling someone a brat is just [[ArsonMurderAndJayWalking plain rude.]]
170	[[/folder]]
171
172	[[folder: Number of Debbie's relationships]]
173	* On Debbie's trading card, it was stated she had three previous husbands, but later on in her backstory, she only mentioned two (not including Fester, obviously). What gives?
174	** The explanation would be that the cards were on print after Debbie married Fester, if it weren't for the fact that three of Debbie's identities were mentioned on TV.
175	[[/folder]]
176	[[folder:Thudd]]
177	* Gomez and Morticia disliking Thudd reading Mother Goose and giving the kids lollipops and sugar plums makes sense with what's established about them. But Gomez also seems disapproving of her having an apple in her bag...yet earlier in the show, they give out apples to trick-or-treaters quite willingly...why would they do that if they see apples as bad/disgusting food? They normally serve other people the kind of food they themselves like--and they also seem to approve of Itt eating "a nice big bunch of bananas" in another episode ("Smart. Fresh fruit to ease the ulcer-producing tensions of big business.") Them seeing most sugary foods (with the apparent exception of black liquorice) as disgusting is nothing new but they haven't generally seemed to have a problem with fruit before...if the objection had been that it was a ripe, red apple instead of a sour green one it might have seemed more fitting but as it is it feels inconsistent.
178	* Also, while I hadn't heard of Dr Spock before watching this episode (my first thought was "what's Star Trek got to do with this??") and this information is only going off a quick google search...apparently his views were that you should be affectionate with your kids, avoid harsh punishments, and respect them as individuals? Gomez and Morticia are very caring towards the kids, very affectionate (frequently picking Wednesday up, hugging them, etc), make it explicitly clear that they're again hitting the kids/otherwise punishing them harshly in an earlier episode, frequently buy them gifts, and show a lot of respect towards their hobbies and choices... I'm wondering what exactly their problem with him is. Apparently conservatives didn't like him and blamed him for counterculture--but the Addamses are shown taking the side of the biker teenager against his strict father in one episode and Gomez says he wouldn't think it was a bad thing if Pugsley became a beatnik, so I doubt it's that (though "Morticia The Writer" oddly contradicts that by having them condemning Cinderella for not obeying her stepmother, and calling her a "minx" and a "delinquent" like those are ''bad'' things when in a previous episode they took great pride in calling Wednesday a "minx"...but then, that episode is just not great in general what with Gomez coming across far more dickish than usual), and the Addamses are generally depicted as more progressive than average for the time, not less. The only thing I could immediately find that they seemed likely to have a problem with is that he apparently started promoting vegetarianism later in life--but that seemed to be after the episode aired. Does anyone who knows more about him know what their dislike of him might be based in?
179	** It's hard to convey now just how groundbreaking and progressive Benjamin Spock's child-raising advice was seen as back in the day, as much of it has now become the standard wisdom. But to a sixties audience, Spock's books were seen as the new wonder solution to raising happy, healthy, well-adjusted children - and while Gomez and Morticia want nothing more than for their children to be all those things, no Addams would take well to ''most'' people's idea of what a happy, healthy, well-adjusted child is.
180	** Also, Dr. Spock was an Olympic Gold medallist in his youth. The horror!
181	[[/folder]]
182	[[folder: Exercise]]
183	* In the episode where Fester tries to lose weight, Morticia and Gomez suddenly act as if exercise of all forms is ridiculous and Gomez claims to never do any except yoga. However, in other episodes, they (Gomez especially) play various sports etc (with varying degrees of skill), ranging from Pugsley's karate lessons and Wednesday's judo training, to archery, volleyball at the end of the previous episode, badminton, ping-pong (with Gomez doing various trick shots quite successfully), fencing (skill level somewhat inconsistent from episode to episode, admittedly...), and trampolining. Grandmama wrestles alligators, they mention Wednesday being a good swimmer, and take great pride in Pugsley's rapid tree-climbing abilities. It would be one thing if they only mentioned having a problem with ''weight loss programs'' (either because the Addamses generally consider even the most conventionally-unattractive-looking family member to look perfect as they are, or because simply doing repetitive exercises likely seems rather boring compared to fencing/martial arts/various sports) but some of the dialogue in this episode suggests they're opposed to any form of exercise/exertion at all and don't place any value on physical strength/physical abilities, which seems to contradict multiple previous episodes. They even specifically say giving Pugsley an axe was "good exercise" in those words in the second episode, and that playing with a huge drill is good because it's "bodybuilding"! And Gomez claimed that juggling clubs was part of his "new physical fitness programme", though given how badly that ended perhaps being somewhat put off is understandable.
184	** It might be that the Addamses are specifically opposed to exercising ''for the sake of exercising'' as opposed to doing the activities you list in the name of fun and pursuing hobbies. That ties into the relatively bohemian aspect of their lives: each family member takes up different activities (Gomez's fencing and train sets, Morticia's gardening and writing, etc.) not because they're profitable or logical, but because they enjoy doing them, which for them is the best (or even only!) motivation worth exploring. The notion of exercising to do something as "normal" as losing weight is anathema to them; they might not even consider things like dancing, judo, or karate exercise at all.
185	[[/folder]]
186	[[folder: Debbie Jellinsky's real name?]]
187	* During the "Fester Addams job", was Debbie using her actual name? It's mentioned (or perhaps just theorized?) in the Black Widow news story that the killer has chameleoned into multiple identities (something that would be necessary to even hope to get away with serial spousal murder) so do we know if the name Debbie was buried with was the one she started with?
188	[[/folder]]
189	[[folder: What ARE they?]]
190	* I'm shocked it hasn't been asked here yet. I always sort of assumed they were just normal people with very disturbing tastes and monster fans/wannabes rather than outright monsters (as a satirical take on how horrible rich families can be) but is it ever outright stated in any adaptation what they are? Other than just [[https://pin.it/41OPmw8 goth?]]
191	[[/folder]]
192	[[folder: Normal]]
193	* Where do fans get the idea that the family knows they're weird and scary and is proud of it? Gomez heatedly defense his kids as "normal" in the original series' very first episode and the entire premise is built around them being totally unaware that most of their guests are disturbed by their home or lifestyle. I see this in lots of memes, discussions, and from Addams fans explaining that this is why they're better than [[Series/TheMunsters the Munsters]], whose assimilation is apparently conformity. Do people not watch the show or read the comics?
194	[[/folder]]
195	!About the movies
196	!!GainaxEnding?
197	* I know it's just meant to be silly dark humor, but what the hell happened at the end of the second film? Whose hand was that that reached out of the grave to grab Joel? It can't be Debbie's, since she was reduced to a pile of ash and credit cards. Was it Thing? This has been bugging me for years.
198	** I'm answering only from memory here but there seem to be two possibilites: (1) It was indeed Thing; (2) She had played a little game of Wake the Dead of her own as preparation for the prank, and put the reanimated corpse in the grave.
199	** I assumed it was just someone she asked to hid in the ground for exactly this purpose. Like Pugsley, say.
200	!!5,000 Melodies?
201	* In ''Addams Family Values'' Debbie says her Time Life tape contains FIVE THOUSAND melodies. How can this be? The longest cassettes I've ever seen in my life were those two-hour blank tapes. If it's like that then that still means each melody (on average) must be less than ''a second and a half'' long--and that's not accounting for the ton of blank space they always left at the beginning and end of both sides of commercially released cassettes. Even the Hooked on Classics medleys weren't ''that'' swift.
202	** I don't think she ever actually says that it's just ''one'' cassette. It could be like the Literature/HarryPotter audio book cassettes, where the fourth book had sixteen cassettes to it.
203	*** Yup, she says it's a collection, not that it's just on that tape.
204	!!Going to the Cemetery?
205	* When Wednesday finds Gordon and his mother talking about stealing the family fortune, why does she run into the cemetery, instead of just running downstairs to find her father in the ballroom? She could easily outrun him.
206	** Gomez probably would not have believed her.
207	** Remember, she is a child. She probably ran to where she felt safest and most comfortable. Which in Wednesday's case is a cemetary.
208	*** Also, child logic is that when scary people are chasing you (and for all their love of the macabre, Wednesday's still a kid and would get scared by adults threatening her), you ''run away''. She wasn't thinking of the safest, most logical, most rational approach, she didn't take the time to think "Hm, the most efficient use of my speed and effort would be to get back to the party and tell my father", she just wanted to get '''away'''.
209	*** She ran to her safe place. For her it's the graveyard. It's one of the things that makes the movie work so well. You remove the macabre aspects and replace them with normal ones (say her bedroom closet instead), and, for the most part, the Addams Family act like normal people. Another example is when she is about to electrocute Pugsly and Morticia tries to cut them off. Replace the electric chair with a board game they are about to finish. They are just two kids playing.
210	!!Fester's Preferences
211	* In the first film, Abigail Craven's plan to steal the Addams's fortune is to play off "Gordon" as Fester. This ends up biting her in the ass when he finds he highly prefers being surrounded by a loving family of equally strange gothics than having an abusive mother who only saw him as a tool, and ultimately gets him his memory of actually ''being'' Fester back when he's struck by lighting while trying to close the hurricane book. Had she not tried some half-baked con of him pretending to be himself, and actually told the truth in the first place that she found him with amnesia, it's entirely plausible that "Gordon" wouldn't have started looking at his family situation so closely, and she could have managed to get away Scot-free.
212	** Craven ''didn't know'' the amnesiac she found in the Bermuda Triangle was Fester Addams: she just knew '''he wasn't her natural son'''. There's nothing in the film to suggest Craven knew all along that Gordon was Fester. If she did, don't you think a woman as greedy and calculating as her would have used that knowledge (and Fester) to her advantage, like holding him hostage for a huge payday, or for at least what would have probably a ''huge'' reward from an immensely grateful Gomez?
213	!The Musical
214	!!The Adams and Dancing
215	* The way that "Gordon" took to dancing the Mamushka should have been a tip-off that he was Fester. After all, Gomez said that only the Addamses knew the dance.
216	** I think it was a ''deliberate'' hint that "Gordon" really was Fester.
217
218	!!Unneccessary AgeLift?
219	* In the musical, why is Pugsley the same age, but Wednesday eighteen? In the show, she was six, meaning she would have aged twelve years, so Pugsley ''should'' be about twenty to twenty-two years old, but he's still a small (about eight to ten years old) boy!
220	** The musical and the show are in two different continuities.
221	!!More on Gordon
222	* Gordon is eventually confirmed to be Fester, who has been bald since childhood. Yet he can grow a full head of hair when he's in his forties.
223	** Maybe he shaved his hair on purpose as a boy.
224	** I know it's a different continuity, but at least in the newer show, Fester was shown growing hair when in great distress; maybe that started up when he was away from the family for that long.
225	** The sequel provides a possible explanation for this; when the family began falling apart, Pubert became more and more 'normal.' Being separated from his family for 25 years with amnesia would have the same affect, but given who Abigail Craven was as a person, it wasn't normal enough to change him completely.
226	!!Gomez' heritage
227	* Gomez's Spanish heritage is much, much more pronounced in the musical than in any other version. Despite this, he's the only member of his family, both living and deceased who shows any sign of Latin origins.
228	* The only reason the Beinekes don't leave at the end of Act 1 of the musical is due to Fester and the ancestors causing a storm, but as soon as act 2 starts, everything's cleared up. So why didn't Mal try to leave?
229	** The storm isn't ''immediately'' cleared up at the beginning of Act Two. It's not until a few scenes in that someone mentions the weather has changed. Also remember that the Addamses live in the middle of Central Park, and the Beinekes walked there; presumably the whole place is flooded with mud and water, making travel impossible. And finally, the ancestors only conjured the storm as a solution to keep the Beinekes from leaving immediately--once they weren't able to exit at that very second, they all started discussing their problems, so they didn't want to go any more.
230	!!The Coming of Ancestors
231	* Despite singing and dancing with them at the beginning of the musical, all the Addams except for Fester seem completely oblivious about the ancestors surrounding them.
232	** Since Fester is the one who locks the Addams Family Crypt to prevent the ancestors from returning to the afterlife, maybe he is the only one who ''can'' see them at the moment. The other Addamses expect the ancestors to manifest in the graveyard, but they all go back inside before Fester seals the crypt. Fester is the only one who knows they're in the house, so perhaps he's the only one who can interact with them.
233	** Maybe they're not ''oblivious'', just used to the ghosts.
234	!!The couple's secrets
235	* The musical plot makes a big fuss about how Morticia and Gomez are not supposed to keep any secrets from each other, but they ''also'' have a big family traditional Game that requires disclosing a secret you've never told anyone before. How is that supposed to work?
236	** There are two possibilities. One: while Morticia and Gomez don't keep secrets from each other, they might be perfectly willing to let the ''rest'' of the family keep secrets from them, possibly even for the express purpose of the Game. They also operate in a parenting style based on independence and trust ("if our kids need us, they'll ask; otherwise we believe in their ability to handle their own problems"), so everyone is encouraged to live their own lives and thus develop secrets. Two: the Game is only played with people meeting the Addamses for the first time, as the Beinekes were doing that night. It's a lot easier to share secrets with total strangers!
237	!Unsorted
238	!!Getting rid of Carolers.
239	* When The Addams Family is seen with a bubbling cauldron to get rid of carolers, it is entirely possible that, if it was cold enough outside, and the pot was filled with water, that the water would disappear into steam before it hit the carolers, leaving them unharmed. Or at least cool down to a non-lethal temperature before it hit them, as we see the water has a fairly long way to fall in both the movie, and the comic.
240	** Exactly. They're [[DarkIsNotEvil not evil enough to actually kill someone, just morbid and playing on the idea of killing people]].
241	*** Isn't it still rather disturbing that they ''fantasize'' about murder?
242	*** They're supposed to be a bit disturbing.
243	** Not quite: when the family is moving out, you can see what looks like black paint splattered on the front door and the porch; it's left over from whatever they poured on the carolers. (Of course, its still possible that the act was non-lethal.)
244	!!The Thing
245	* Thing was probably some creature that you only saw the hand of, not ''just'' a hand.
246	** In the show, Thing has a lot more forearm and one time you see a second hand- one hand drew into the box and another one popped out to close it. This isn't to say I don't like Thing as he appears in the movie, of course.
247	** In Charles Addams' cartoons, Thing ''is'' a creature, not just a hand -- in fact, he's a whole other ''human'' (or... something like one), usually peering at the Addamses from some vantage point or another. What was unique about him here was that you never fully saw him -- he was almost completely obscured by something, or silhouetted, or what have you. Charles Addams originally wanted to make him a disembodied ''head'' for the television series.

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