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| 17 | ! Note: Before posting a question, ask yourself, "Can this be answered by RuleOfFunny?" If the answer is "Yes", consider whether posting it is a good idea. ''And keep in mind that this page is for actual questions, NOT senseless ranting.'' |
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| 22 | [[WMG: Same thing, Same Consequence.]] |
| 23 | * In "I Got Detention", why didn't Freddie slam the locker like Carly did if he wanted detention? |
| 24 | ** He didn't realize that was an option until it was too late. |
| 25 | [[WMG: Is Freddie friends with Carly in the "iChristmas" continuity?]] |
| 26 | * Near the end of "iChristmas", Freddie and his girlfriend (her name escapes me, but everyone hated her) were in the apartment with Carly, Nevel, Mrs. Benson, and Spencer. This would imply that Freddie hangs out there frequently because his mother is dating Spencer. However, earlier in the episode at school when Carly greeted him in passing, he replied with a flat "Hey, Carly Shay”, like he didn't know who she was. |
| 27 | ** He didn't say "Hey Carly Shay" it was more like "uh hi". In any case, Mitch says that Freddie used to like Carly in this universe but gave up because she was in a long-term relationship with Nevel, so she probably didn't talk to Freddie often anymore. |
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| 29 | [[WMG: All the new episodes are "specials".]] |
| 30 | * Seriously, since virtually the third season, every new episode is over-promoted as a new special. Why? |
| 31 | ** Nick was stupid with scheduling the show for a while during season 3. To sum it up, because of their idiocy, they had to hype up each episode as special to pull people in. |
| 32 | |
| 33 | [[WMG: The hammer.]] |
| 34 | * Why haven't they pulled the hammer from the wall after it almost decapitated Carly in "iWanna Stay With Spencer"? It kinda bugs me a bit. |
| 35 | ** Carly seems to have a thing for it, it was one of the things she referenced in "iChristmas". It probably reminds her that she ''likes'' Spencer being a bit weird and nearly killing her. |
| 36 | |
| 37 | [[WMG: The Shay loft elevator.]] |
| 38 | * How does that elevator work exactly? It can take them down to the main lobby, but they don't seem concerned that a burglar could ride the elevator up from the main lobby, and just waltz right into their apartment. |
| 39 | ** It requires a key to bring you into a residence. The keyhole's inside, next to the buttons. If the key isn't inserted, it won't open in the middle of the person's home. |
| 40 | *** Yeah, but, does ''each'' apartment (in the very large building) have its elevator? It always seems to be parked in the Shay household. Whenever they need to go up to the studio, none of the tenants on the floors below are using the elevator. |
| 41 | *** [[WordOfGod Dan Schneider]] talked about this in a LifeJournal post (now dead). The elevator in the Shays' apartment is a cargo elevator; you must have authorization or a special key to use it to access their loft. They have this elevator because Bushwell Plaza used to be a commercial building and was later converted into an apartment building. And no, not all of the apartments have them; only the lofts do. |
| 42 | *** BLASPHEMOUS!!!!! (referred to trope) |
| 43 | ** They apparently ''rent'' it. |
| 44 | |
| 45 | [[WMG: How can the web show afford such slick production?]] |
| 46 | * The iCarly web show ''looks'' like they have a huge production team. Honestly, three teenagers couldn't produce a show of that quality ''and'' have all the shenanigans they do - no matter their budget. |
| 47 | ** Freddie is a huge tech wiz and has connections to the AV club. I think with the school's nice equipment and saving up cash, it can be plausible. |
| 48 | ** Yeah. Some of the stuff he does just isn't that hard. At least on the web show with the various graphics and green screened-type stuff, it's a pretty plausible aversion of StylisticSuck. The less plausible stuff is the actual internet-related things, like him coding the site on his own, the hosting of the said website, and the ability to stream it to millions of viewers live. And how people are on their webcams, yet Freddie can blow it up onto a full HDTV with no loss of quality. |
| 49 | ** Most of the stuff is probably pre-made, as well. We know they rehearse for the show, so Freddy probably has most of the SFX, animated titles, and such ready to go before they go live, just needs to press the right button. Other stuff like the fact that the show can be shown in HD or altering Jake's voice on the fly so that he sounds awesome is probably just RuleOfCool or RuleOfFunny. |
| 50 | ** In the early episodes, it was all down to Freddie's tech wizardry but assuming that they were being paid $5 per 1,000 views in season 3, then they made about $1,500 per episode. As of season 4, they would be making about $5,000 an episode (based on the calculation that they get a million views per episode, as said in "iParty with Victorious"). |
| 51 | ** If their viewers stay at a million people per episode every week they make $260,000 a year. Some of that goes in taxes and they'll probably make a decent amount out as a wage but that still leaves them with an impressive budget for the show. |
| 52 | ** It ''is'' possible to do a web show on their level with today's technology. Companies like livestream.com have a platform that lets you broadcast live using an HD video camera and switch between clips in the same way Freddie does. The downside is the price. It's $350 a month or $3,500 a year. The kids may be able to afford it now but they'd struggle to afford it when they were starting. Their first episode had 37,000 views which equated to $185; if their second episode got the same amount of viewers, then they've just about made a $20 profit. The point is, it's a significant investment for 13-year-old kids to make but as long as they were consistent and kept building up their audience, it's not impossible for them to achieve a show with that kind of production value. |
| 53 | *** Taxes are paid after expenses. If they spent every cent they made from the show on the show, they'd owe nothing at all. A reasonable approximation of the things they can claim as a business expense includes all of the equipment, all of the set stuff, any costumes that aren't the clothing that could be worn under ordinary circumstances, their rent for the part of the apartment where the studio is, cost of props, costs involved with making personal appearances, costs involved with flying in guests ("iCarly Awards", for example), any insurance they might need, any costs involving their live streaming and website, any wages they decide to pay themselves (there is no way they could run iCarly as anything but an S corp after season 1, realistically), any legal or accounting fees, and possibly anything Sam eats in the apartment. If they have a remotely competent accountant, they'd probably have a decent retirement plan in place before they finished high school. |
| 54 | *** Sam's behavior in Sam & Cat seems to reflect this: she roams the course leisurely, and does not mind the babysitting money unlike what she used to. She could have her retirement planned to the point that she is retired immediately after the web show is terminated. In Sam and Cat their lack of shots of really accepting payment may indicate that their lives are already covered by Sam's retirement plan (she just needs to cut back on fat cakes to reserve money for Cat). |
| 55 | ** They also made a ton of money in season 1 ("iPromote Techfoots"), and it's possible some of the money went into the show itself. |
| 56 | |
| 57 | [[WMG: The name "iCarly".]] |
| 58 | * In a universe where Apple (the company that popularized the i- prefix, such as iPod, iPhone, and iPad) is replaced by Pear, a company that uses the Pear- prefix (such as PearPod, PearPhone, and PearBook), how does the name iCarly make any sense? |
| 59 | ** The out-of-universe show is named to mean something in our world, then fit back into the ''iCarly'' universe. In our world, it's associated with Apple (but wasn't invented by them, nor was the actual idea of a prefix). Apple not existing doesn't change the sense of naming the web show iCarly. |
| 60 | ** Freddie summed it up in the first episode: |
| 61 | -->'''Freddie''': Why don't you call your show iCarly? You know, I, the internet, Carly, you. |
| 62 | |
| 63 | [[WMG: Show demographics and marketing.]] |
| 64 | * One thing I don't get is how long this show can last while being marketed to 8-year-olds. Carly, Sam, and Freddie are only going to get older. How is an 8-year-old going to relate to a 25-year-old who has a web show? |
| 65 | ** Um, excuse me, [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids but since when is this show marketed to eight-year-olds?]] As a 14-year-old, I still find the show funny. |
| 66 | *** The show has a very wide demographic. It works for 8-year-olds to 18-year-olds (especially in season 3, usually considered the most diverse season in terms of demographic), and also has a big PeripheryDemographic because of the innuendo and stuff they get in (it's at WesternAnimation levels, which says a lot). Plus, how long it'll last is probably going to depend on the main cast. Physically, the kids are done with puberty, and their in-universe ages are still only about 16. It's the same thing that happened with ''Series/DrakeAndJosh''. The only reason that ended is that the main cast wanted to move on. |
| 67 | *** This show is a ''Teen''Nick show. It's for pre-teens and teenagers. |
| 68 | *** And? ''WesternAnimation/SpongebobSquarepants'' was aimed at children. ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible'' was aimed at 13-year-old girls. Didn't stop them from getting fans outside their supposed demographic (particularly the latter), and it doesn't stop ''Series/ICarly'' either. |
| 69 | |
| 70 | [[WMG: The Peruvian Puff Pepper.]] |
| 71 | * It is "illegal" in the ''Series/DrakeAndJosh'' canon. Given that this show also has a shared universe with ''Drake & Josh'', why did the trio still use the said condiment in a contest? Granted that they also won the contest (that ingredient also ensures victory in ''Drake & Josh'') and the pepper was not mentioned afterward... |
| 72 | ** Illegal in California but not Washington? |
| 73 | ** Even for the sake of cross-over referencing, the ''Drake & Josh'' episode "Peruvian Puff Pepper" did state that the pepper is illegal in the ''entirety'' of North America. California and Washington both belong to America, don't they? |
| 74 | ** ''iCarly'' is set after ''Drake & Josh''. The law could have changed. |
| 75 | ** ''Drake & Josh'' might not be even in the same canon. We've seen Carly and Spencer watch a few episodes once. |
| 76 | ** Craig and Eric did show up in iStartAFanWar, so ''Drake & Josh'' has to be in the same canon. Dunno why Carly and Spencer were able to watch episodes of ''Drake & Josh'' though... |
| 77 | |
| 78 | [[WMG: The ages of the trio.]] |
| 79 | * Miranda, Jennette, and Nathan are starting to look noticeably older than fifteen. I never noticed it until "iBeat the Heat". Why haven't the gang aged even one year? Hasn't iCarly, in-universe, been going on for that long? At least Sam is 16 now, but Carly and Freddie are still 15. |
| 80 | ** Carly, Freddie, and Sam are all 16 now, going by the monitors in "iSpace Out". They just never had anyone say so on the show. Except for Sam, I think, but I can't remember if her party was for 15 or 16. Sam might even be 17, considering her the extra year that is sort of (but not really) canon. |
| 81 | *** The monitor said that Sam is 15, just like Carly and Freddie. This troper thinks that Sam just went into school a year early, then was held back and placed with kids her age. It's the only way that it all makes sense. |
| 82 | *** Carly is turning 16 in the newest episode, potentially making Sam 17. If it's a RetCon or just bad continuity (or conflicting continuity from a non-canon source) remains to be seen. |
| 83 | *** In "iOwe You", Carly and Sam were on a trampoline and the lack of "bouncing" made it painfully obvious Creator/JennetteMcCurdy's [[SuppressedMammaries breasts were strapped down]] to keep her looking young. |
| 84 | *** This troper is a D-cup and was a B-cup by the age of 11 and I'd assume first that she was wearing a sports bra because bouncing all over the place can hurt. |
| 85 | ** In "iLost My Mind", it's revealed that Carly can now officially drive. It's barely a passing reference, in that she picks up the car keys and tells Spencer they're leaving. But assuming she's driving a car (she left with Gibby and Freddie), then she's 16 as of season 5. (iOMG took place three days before "iLost My Mind" so she's 16 from "iGot a Hot Room".) As for Sam's age, we know that she's under 18 since she's a minor so she can't leave the mental institute without a signature from her parents. Dan confirmed that on his blog, but we still don't know if she's 16 or 17. |
| 86 | |
| 87 | [[WMG: No threat of internet predators.]] |
| 88 | * Seriously? Do internet predators exist? The trio goes and trusts strangers completely and often sees them without any parental supervision! And they do some stuff on the show which would be considered kind of dangerous for them and often reveal addresses of the school and their homes on their broadcasts. Is Dan saving this for a special episode? |
| 89 | ** Well, I suppose it's like RealLife. There would be millions of kids on Website/YouTube/Facebook/Twitter etc, and I'm sure so many of them would be just as "traceable" as early. Yet there aren't many "predators" doing anything about them. Most internet predators lurk in chatrooms and try to get their target alone, and exploit them. I think "iPsycho" (Nora), and the episodes with Mandy are about as far as they'll go on either end of the "stalker/predator" types. |
| 90 | |
| 91 | [[WMG: The show is being managed on iTunes.]] |
| 92 | * While not that big a deal (except for some who might have been big fans of the show for a while), one thing this troper is curious about is why seasons 1 and 2 of ''iCarly'' weren't available in HD until late 2010 as far as I can tell (except the "XOXO" pack). This is especially notable since "iFight Shelby Marx" hit was the top TV episode shortly after being available back in August 2009 but not in HD yet. |
| 93 | ** I don't think ''iCarly'' ever got broadcast in HD for the first two seasons. I know they filmed stuff in HD, but that might have had something to do with HD versions of seasons 1 and 2 being late. Does anyone know when HD video became supported on iTunes either? That might also cause delays if HD wasn't supported until after those first couple of seasons. |
| 94 | *** HD video was supported after iTunes 8, released on September 9, 2008. |
| 95 | *** Well, for whatever it's worth, according to Wikipedia, they sold 1 million HD episodes in October 2008, which was not long into season 2. But that's all I know. |
| 96 | ** Also, season 4 is currently $39.99 ($29.99 if not in HD), and it only has ten episodes (one being two parts, and "iParty with Victorious"), not counting the free extras. But the first three seasons were all $39.99/$19.99, so it makes no sense unless they put the second half included with that. And what's even ''more'' notable is that season 2 of ''[[Victorious]]'', which is going to have 13 episodes (and will most likely have a special), not counting 7 Secrets with Victoria Justice (which is currently free, but will most likely not be soon), is only $24.99/$17.99. I would hope that's the case (that they'd combine both halves). |
| 97 | *** I'm pretty sure that season 4 is 26 episodes total: 13 ending with "iParty With Victorious", then another 13 released later. iTunes still classifies it as season 4 (as far as I know), and according to Website/TheOtherWiki, all 26 are season 4. The production is screwed up, though, so I could be wrong. |
| 98 | |
| 99 | [[WMG: Mandy's obsession with iCarly.]] |
| 100 | * Why does Mandy like iCarly when is she interrupting the sketch in "iWant My Website Back" shows she doesn't even get their jokes? |
| 101 | ** Mandy ''might'' have missed how obvious the long title of the skit is, but it's TruthInTelevision. Kids love ''iCarly'' (almost any children's show for that matter) but they don't get the adult jokes and [[ParentalBonus ParentalBonuses]]... yet. Mandy mentioned before how she liked the pureed spaghetti and the wiener dog-dressed-like-a-pig skits (i.e. random kiddie "comedy") but she's quite naive of a sketch that is brimming with LesYay flirting and innuendo. |
| 102 | |
| 103 | [[WMG: The Kids Choice Awards.]] |
| 104 | * Does anyone find it interesting that [[Series/ICarly Miranda]]'s show has bested [[Series/WizardsOfWaverlyPlace Selena's]] for the favorite show three times in a row, yet Selena wins the best actress over her those same times? Honestly, ''iCarly'''s current season is averaging over 5 million viewers per episode. ''Wizards'' currently has 3.7 I think. So what factored into how she got so many votes? And this is coming from someone who voted Victoria as the favorite actress, should that mean anything. |
| 105 | ** I'm guessing all the newfound Music/JustinBieber-related friends couldn't get past the amount of total ''iCarly'' fans. Who else was up for that award Selena won? The other Nick stars probably split the vote. Creator/MirandaCosgrove is considered boring for a reason, and that reason is a lot of the [[Creator/JennetteMcCurdy Jennette]] fans. |
| 106 | *** For favorite actress? She was also against Miley Cyrus, Miranda Cosgrove, and Victoria Justice. |
| 107 | *** Pretty much sums up that person like rebel/anti-hero characters like Sam and Alex. |
| 108 | |
| 109 | [[WMG: Where does the door in the Shays' kitchen lead?]] |
| 110 | * Interesting to think about. |
| 111 | ** The other hallway of the building. |
| 112 | *** In "iWant a World Record" they wheel out the tech cart through the matching hallway in the studio level, and then in the next scene Carly says they are moving through the "back stairwell" which is a typical grey concrete emergency stairwell. The hallways lead either directly to the emergency stairwell, or more likely, another set of rooms, and then onto the emergency stairwell which is probably covered by the same security features as the elevator but with an internal easy unlock (as an emergency door). |
| 113 | |
| 114 | [[WMG: What's the deal with the production?]] |
| 115 | * Is "iLost My Mind" the start of season 5, or is it the start of the second half of season 4? I know that the production for the show is massively screwed up, but searching brings up both the "season 5" and "season 4 part 2" ideas. |
| 116 | ** The new episode has a brand new title sequence, something that's only been reserved when they release a new season also in several interviews it's talked about as season 5, on the other hand, there are press releases that say season 5 starts filming in 2012 so yeah it's confusing. |
| 117 | ** [[https://twitter.com/DanWarp/status/58635993355530240 Confirmed to be season 4 part 2.]] |
| 118 | |
| 119 | [[WMG: Where are the trolls?]] |
| 120 | * And I mean ''real'' trolls. I'm talking 4Chan users here. ''iCarly'' shows a terrible understanding of how the internet works. |
| 121 | ** Are you kidding me? Maybe they're absent because an episode about people posting porn and screeching poorly spelled racial epithets would be a poor choice for what's primarily supposed to be a kids' show? |
| 122 | ** What kinda stupid question is this? Stop expecting kids' shows to be realistic. |
| 123 | |
| 124 | [[WMG: Spencer in "iGot a Hot Room".]] |
| 125 | * At the end, Spencer mentions that completely renovating Carly's room for $80,000 was "so stupid because we rent this place, but who cares?" Everyone then cheers. What was so stupid about it? |
| 126 | ** They spent thousands and thousands of dollars on improving an apartment they don't own. So if the lease runs out and the person who owns it takes it back, they, in all likelihood, will lose the majority of the money they spent on it. |
| 127 | *** There's also the fact that, if the characters have aged, Carly is 16 or 17 (or possibly 18). What if Carly chooses to go to college out-of-state or moves out sometime after her 18th birthday (if she's not 18 already)? So Spencer spent $80,000 on a room that may only be used for one or two more years. Very stupid. |
| 128 | *** [[spoiler: Confirmed. Carly moves to Italy with her dad in "iGoodbye".]] |
| 129 | |
| 130 | [[WMG: Jennette's new show.]] |
| 131 | * I could post this on Dan's Headscratchers page, but I'm posting it here where it's more likely to be noticed. We already know that ''iCarly'' is ending production in June, because I know that Miranda is going off to college and has outgrown the show. I don't know about Nathan, but if Jennette is older than either of them and most of the ''[[Victorious]]'' cast (will be 20 in June), then wouldn't she be too old to start her show with him by then? How will this work? |
| 132 | ** Nick doesn't care about how old their actors are. Almost all their teenage actors leave on their own because they get restless or the show they are there to film ends. ''iCarly'' would go another four years if Nick was getting results and the actors wanted it. As for Jennette's new show, Jennette has had a clause in her contract about getting a pilot made for her for years. When Miranda signed her contract getting $180,000 per episode the other two got their contracts as well. Even though the show went on far longer than they intended, they still have to honor the contract. I don't know if they actually filmed a pilot yet, but Nick is probably getting desperate as their ratings have tanked (ironically they only started falling when the Seddie arc aired in September 2011 that Jennette was a major part of). So they gave the green light to a show for her that will probably help Nick replace ''iCarly'' somewhat. I believe they are going to make her character a college-age student, and it involves her, Drake Bell, and three or so younger kids. |
| 133 | *** True, I can understand why you'd think that (Nick not caring about the ages of their stars) because ''Series/BigTimeRush'' is still on and the guys there are well over 18. But where did you hear of Drake Bell being on it? I thought he and Josh had moved on from the Series/NickVerse (though he has been in A Fairly Odd Movie and Rags). With that said, I'm pretty sure Dan will begin Jennette's show after ''iCarly'' has wrapped up for good. |
| 134 | *** Turns out the new show is ''Series/SamAndCat''. Drake Bell hasn't been linked to this one but was quite heavily linked to the original idea. |
| 135 | * Why of all people is Sam getting a SpinOff? Especially considering the premise of ''Series/SamAndCat'', that they take up babysitting. Are we forgetting "iSell Penny Tees" happened? Sam never learns a lesson, so it wouldn't surprise me if she just beat up the children and got away with it. |
| 136 | ** The writers and Jennette have been "toning down" her behavior in the final season knowing she has to carry the show (well, kind of, since Nick added Music/ArianaGrande to the cast because they know Sam can't carry a show after what happened during the ShippingWars in ''iCarly''). They could have fooled me. |
| 137 | |
| 138 | [[WMG: Why could Carly never do the show alone?]] |
| 139 | * Always going through desperate measures whenever Sam wouldn’t be able to come to do the show like having the web show in detention or that ridiculous split-screen effect where they do the show from dual locations. Lots of YouTubers can pull off doing solo videos without a co-host. |
| 140 | ** Sam completes her. Carly can't match Sam's energy or wit, especially since the web show is specifically built around a duo. And we all know that Freddie isn't a comedic genius either. |
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| 142 | |
| 143 | * "iGo To Japan": Employing English-illiterate security guards to man the entrances of a venue holding an international contest of various webshows, most of which speak English, in a country where the vast majority of people know [[GratuitousEnglish at least a few English words]], but they don't even know those. |
| 144 | ** Also, why would they put they put the sign: "I Do Not Speak Spanish" in English? Wouldn't they put it in Spanish? This goes for the "I Do Not Speak French" sign. |
| 145 | ** In the same episode, the original videos by the Japanese and French contestants that Carly, Freddie and Sam look up are both in English for some reason. |
| 146 | * "iStart A Fan War" tried to equate the shippers in-universe with the shippers in real life, except that the equivalency was flawed. Firstly, there is a huge difference between internet fandom are how people would act in real life. People don't go crazy at Miranda, Jennette and Nathan in real life at their public appearances, which is what the Webicon panel would have been like. It would have been Carly Shay, Freddie Benson and Sam Puckett, 3 'real-life' teenage kids who host a web show making a public appearance. Just like how Miranda, Jen and Nathan are 3 real life teenage kids who play parts on a TV show do public appearances. People don't go up to them and go crazy like portrayed on the show. |
| 147 | ** They're not acting, it's their real selves, and the fans are shipping the actual people of Carly, Sam, and Freddie. |
| 148 | ** People in real life simply ''don't'' act like that in regards to public/con appearances. |
| 149 | * "iStart A Fanwar": Isn't chlorine gas green, as well as DEADLY? What was Spencer thinking? Might go under Fridge Horror, considering how we don't see Jack Black get back up at the end of the episode... |
| 150 | ** If it was actual chlorine gas, you'd have known long before the end of the scene, as he'd have been coughing up a lung. And the "he" in question is everyone from Spencer to Jack Black to the guys watching them in the audience. |
| 151 | * "iBelieve In Bigfoot" and "iWant Locker 239": Sam steals Mrs. Briggs bullhorn, and then gives it to Freddie and runs away with Carly. Freddie then gets in trouble when he tells Mrs. Briggs it was Sam, she doesn't believe him. Same thing goes for what happens in ''Locker 239'', with the locker party and Sam's mom destroying the wall. Really? Sam, arguably the most infamous student at the school at least in their age grade, and Freddie, the nerdy NiceGuy, and they ignore him telling them Sam did it? |
| 152 | ** Partly FridgeBrilliance: Considering the teachers mentioned, they probably just look for an excuse to punish anyone (Punishing Gibby for being "too Gibby"?) |
| 153 | * Carly looks at the Japanese instruction manual in "iPromise Not to Tell", and guesses "lamp" in Japanese is "rampu". She's right, but the loanword "rampu" should have been in katakana, so how could she have read it? |
| 154 | ** What if it was in romaji? Perhaps in a multi-language instruction booklet? (I know next to nothing about Japanese beyond some high school lessons, so forgive any ignorance.) |
| 155 | ** It's likely that since the instruction booklet was so cheaply made, they didn't bother to get an actual Japanese input method editor to write in proper Japanese and just wrote it with a regular keyboard. Alternately, Carly could have a very basic knowledge of the writing system, which more and more kids into anime do these days. |
| 156 | ** And in the episode "iPie", Carly's wearing a shirt with katakana on it in one scene. |
| 157 | ** Spencer: "Good luck. It's in Japanese." |
| 158 | ** She clearly knows enough that what is written as "ranpu" (ランプ) is pronounced as "rampu". Plus, it would make sense that Carly would know ''some'' Japanese after going to Japan (this is the first episode where the iWeb Award is visible in the studio). |
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| 162 | [[folder: Season 1]] |
| 163 | |
| 164 | [[WMG: Nevel hacking the iCarly site.]] |
| 165 | * When Nevel hacked the iCarly website, why didn't they post on their forum that they were being hacked. There was no indication he hacked their forums. They could've told their viewers what was going on. |
| 166 | ** There's also never been an indication they even have a forum. |
| 167 | *** Yeah, could just comment on the videos like on Youtube, and when the site was taken over they all get removed. |
| 168 | *** Confirmed in iStart a fan war that iCarly forums do exist but they don't seem to be an official part of the website when Adam says "yeah I was poking around some forums online", whether these forums existed when Nevel hacked the iCarly site is another question. |
| 169 | *** Nevel could easily screw with the forums and delete any personal updates. |
| 170 | |
| 171 | [[WMG: Lewbert (If my memory serves) not getting in trouble.]] |
| 172 | |
| 173 | Ok, I know this is a TV show and this is a Schneider-produced show BUT....how in the world that is holy is Lewbert (I'm pretty sure if that's his name if my memory serves) isn't fired, arrested, or even banned literally from any place for his JerkAss stuff? I mean, he acts like a lunatic, especially in front of adults. I mean, in S1 E3, he starts barking (I think...?) at the innocent lady and/or the Pomeranian and he even popped the kid's balloon in the front of the ''kid's mom''! I'm totally surprised that his boss didn't even fire him or even permanently banned him from the apartment. I mean, yeah, it's a TV show and it's entertainment but if he does that in real life, chances are he could be in a ''deep'', ''deep'' trouble. |
| 174 | * Authority figures in general are portrayed as assholes. It's nothing exclusive to him. |
| 175 | |
| 176 | [[WMG: Carly, Freddie trespassing and not being punished in ''iSpy A Mean Teacher''.]] |
| 177 | * It bugs me how Carly and Freddie didn't get arrested for trespassing on private property in that episode? Especially with how spiteful and mean the teacher is like she wouldn't report them! It's just encouraging kids to 1: spy on other people, similar to stalking 2: run into someone else's house just because they could, because the owner was gone 3: hide in someone else's closet and steal things from them (the cologne Freddie took and the cereal he ate)! Every one of those things is a federal crime! Why weren't their consequences? (and no, the lady playing bagpipes on iCarly is NOT consequencing enough). |
| 178 | ** iSpy On a Mean Teacher. Funnily enough, it is not the episode titled indie. Firstly, they are like 13, maybe 14 in those early episodes. The cops probably wouldn't have bothered, let alone arrested them. The teacher got to inflict punishment on her own. Also RuleOfFunny. |
| 179 | ** You understand that this is typical of the Schneider-verse, yes? |
| 180 | ** Remember, she made a deal with them. If they didn't allow her to be on the show, she would've gotten them in legal trouble. Although I am wondering how it's possible to have a student suspended for an infraction outside of school. |
| 181 | |
| 182 | [[WMG: iSpy A Mean Teacher, Sam Calling Ms. Briggs on the Phone]] |
| 183 | This is rather small, but it's been bugging me for a long time: |
| 184 | In the episode mentioned above, Carly and Freddie are trapped inside Ms. Brigg's closet. Sam (on the phone) tells them to "give her sixty seconds, then go for the door." Sam follows up by calling Ms. Briggs and feeds her a load about being from the Federal Bureau of Milk. Now, the entire thing with the FBM is excusable due in no small part to RuleOfFunny. But Sam called Ms. Briggs on the phone. ''How, exactly, did Sam have her phone number?'' She called her immediately after she was done talking to Carly and Freddie. I don't think Sam is likely to have an evil teacher on speed dial. |
| 185 | * It's still not unlikely for students to have their teachers' numbers (home and/or mobile) in their phone books (especially during high school or college). Briggs' number being passed on to Sam by Carly and their other classmates is also quite plausible. |
| 186 | * She probably got it illegally somehow. Sam isn't above illegal actions. |
| 187 | |
| 188 | [[WMG: iPilot = 13 million viewers in one airing or two?]] |
| 189 | * Okay, this has been getting at me for a while. I have a very hard time believing that iPilot's 13 million viewers were in one telecast when it premiered on September 8, 2007. I remember hearing that they WERE in two, and the second had around ~30% more than the first. Dan Schneider has mentioned that iSaved Your Life was the most-watched episode ever with 11.2 million and that Victorious had the most-watched live-action premiere in Nickelodeon history with 5.7. And if memory serves, iWant More Viewers after iPilot had 3.7 million, so I have a hard time believing that a 13 million would serve as a lead-in into a 3.7 million. If the Victorious premiere WAS #1 (or #2 if you count Big Time School of Rocque and its 6.8 million), then iPilot's first airing must have had like, .1 million less...I can't spin my head around this. |
| 190 | ** You are right. I did a little digging and found this: [[http://www.buddytv.com/articles/drake-and-josh/icarly-premiere-draws-13-milli-10782.aspx News release.]] It clearly says that it includes both the 8:30 Saturday premiere and the 11:30 am Sunday encore did 30% better. My calculations seem to show the same thing you've done, which is the likely audience for the premiere is 5.6 million. 30% more than this gives the encore an audience of 7.3 million for a total of 13 million. |
| 191 | ** Victorious does not have the most-watched live-action premiere in Nick's history. Schneider stated this but the information is false. The title still belongs to Big Time Rush. |
| 192 | |
| 193 | [[WMG: Carly's grade]] |
| 194 | * In Promise Not to Tell, why didn't Carly just tell Principal Franklin that her English teacher gave her an unfair grade for an entirely stupid reason? That way he could demand that he give her the A she deserves without anyone getting in trouble. |
| 195 | ** Carly's a bit of a pushover. |
| 196 | [[/folder]] |
| 197 | |
| 198 | [[folder: Season 2]] |
| 199 | |
| 200 | [[WMG: Shane surviving his fall.]] |
| 201 | * In "iSaw Him First", Shane falls down the elevator shaft after being too busy chewing out Carly and Sam to notice the lack of an elevator. How the HECK did he survive? He fell for about 6 seconds, and I'm no physicist, but I estimate his velocity on impact to be at least 60 mph, which is about 27 meters per second (I might be overcompensating for his air resistance, though). From this speed, he landed on hard, sturdy steel, which is enough to break enough bones to kill you. Yet somehow he's in the hospital with just enough broken bones to need a body cast, but still alive. He's not an athlete, so there's not even a small chance for his muscle mass to cushion the impact, nor would his clothes do so. |
| 202 | |
| 203 | [[WMG: [[ArtisticLicenseMartialArts Mixed Martial Arts Don't Work That Way]]]] |
| 204 | * What was stopping Shelby Marx from just punching Carly while she was clinging to her leg? Carly is technically grappling and most fighters would punish a failed single-leg takedown with sprawl and a beating. Even if the league has rules against punching someone who's grabbing you Shelby is supposed to be a highly skilled Mixed Martial Artist. She should still have enough Wrestling and BJJ training to tie the girl who insulted her granny in a knot. |
| 205 | ** She was confused as to why Carly wasn't fighting her. If Shelby just pummeled Carly who wasn't putting up the least bit of a fight and had zero experience, she knew it'd be a bad look for her, personal feelings or not. |
| 206 | |
| 207 | [[WMG: About "iMeet Fred"....]] |
| 208 | * Why the hell did ''EVERYONE'' hate Freddie for "killing" Fred? Even his family turned against him. Is Dan trying to teach kids, "If you have a different opinion than everyone else, you will suffer for it"? It's as if he's oblivious that kid shows like iCarly do influence the children demographic. Also, why is Fred's popularity so exaggerated? If Dan did his research, he would've discovered Fred's huge Hatedom! I don't see how he could be oblivious to it every day - people are also commenting on Fred's videos and saying mean, hateful things like that he should kill himself. Freddie and iCarly should've gotten a ''lot'' of positive attention for getting rid of Fred. There would've been more positive reactions than negative reactions in real life. |
| 209 | ** Dan Schneider had to be aware that Fred had both a Fandom and a Hatedom, so he probably used the "world-famous" Schneider-verse to put that episode in a world where Fred is unanimously adored by everyone. The man got One Direction on his show, and even the latter has its Hatedom. |
| 210 | |
| 211 | [[WMG: And another Thing About "iMeet Fred"...]] |
| 212 | * As a showrunner, you have to find a way to keep your show not feeling its age as the years go by. Unless you're purposefully pandering to your demographic. Drake & Josh did that wonderfully. Yeah, due to the technology, & the fact that it's stuck in 4:3 by the nature of being filmed on videotape, so they can't give it a proper HD remastering 1080p & widescreen, you can easily tell it was made from the early-mid 2000s if you didn't already know. Thing is, even with how old Drake & Josh is, it wasn't nearly as gimmicky as iCarly was. iMeet Fred is the most gimmicky episode of the show. The One Direction episode doesn't even touch this one. If any future kid saw this episode, & thought Fred was funny, they could look his videos up on Website/YouTube & discover that they were made back in the mid-late 2000s. Plus, Lucas is a complete non-entity in today's media besides being a laughing stock. So, not only is this episode dated as hell, but it's not even a good one. It's not realistic whatsoever. Fred's audience has a PeripheryDemographic of high school kids & other teens? What? What self-respecting teen liked Fred? Fred was, quite literally, the Pewdiepie of the late 2000s. Over-the-top acting, obnoxious personality, very gimmicky, & only really appeals to children. I know these shows are made for kids, but I thought the main demographic was set higher than 6-year-olds. Then there's the fact that neither Carly nor Sam back Freddie up. Sam I understand, she could give less of a crap most of the time, but Carly? She's supposed to be the voice of reason/compassion out of the 3 to Sam & Freddie's larger personalities that are parts of them, seeing as they're constantly in conflict with one another. Maybe she likes Fred, maybe she's the one that brought up promoting him through their show, but she's not going to back up Freddie's opinion even if she has to play Devil's advocate? Then, we get to Lucas. The conflict setup seems to be, as PIEGUYRULZ put it, based on the AVGN/Nostalgia Critic war from back in the day, but Lucas doesn't email them that that was his plan only for the sake of drama for the show's audience IRL. I don't blame him, since he was still a teenager & he was written to be that way at the time, but he comes off as a {{Jerkass}}. Especially with the way he reacts to Freddie getting the crap kicked out of him by Sam to force him into a forced, half-hearted apology Lucas didn't even deserve. Then there's the video they shot to announce the fight was over. Why would Freddie volunteer to shoot such a thing? Carly sure, Sam sure, but if I were Freddie, I'd be too justifiably salty towards Lucas to even stay for the shooting, let alone shoot such a thing. I know they haven't had to deal with DMCA's, real-world logic, etc, but even shows that run on their logic, like, say, The Simpsons, still manage to keep the characters realistic, or at least for more than the beginning of the episode. Honestly, what was Dan thinking when he greenlit this idea? I get the want to do it, but 1, couldn't they have picked a better internet personality with staying power passed a few years, & 2, could they not write the episode better? This episode takes the vocal minority of a peripheral demographic, makes the peripheral demographic the main demographic, & turns them from the SilentMajority they would be into the VocalMinority in terms of their mindsets. On top of that, Freddie could easily go to Principal Franklin & tell him about how people are vocally & physically bullying him, even though they'd probably sooner bully him over Facebook, or whatever they have for social media, or their message boards on the site where they have anonymity. I have a feeling he'd care enough to do SOMETHING to help, but knowing the rules of the Schneiderverse, it'd probably sooner backfire somehow than help. Freddie's totally in the right for not liking Fred for his reasons though &, after dealing with fans of a famous band's fanbase who don't know how to take criticism, AKA the vocal minority, I'd say he has a right to be angry at Lucas as well as everyone who bullied him. Lucas was the one that got everyone to point their guns at Freddie in the first place, so if anything, Lucas should make a very public, very heartfelt, apology to Freddie to make up for it at the very least. Had this been real life & Lucas still been relevant, Freddie'd make an "exposed" video on him because of the experience. This episode's just illogical, even for Dan Schneider & Nickelodeon, & terrible. |
| 213 | |
| 214 | [[WMG: ''iGive Away A Car'', how can they give one to Nevel?]] |
| 215 | * In "iGive Away a Car", how can they have a car giveaway contest and give away a "new car that travels at 30 miles per hour" to a person who doesn't even have a driver's license, or isn't old enough to drive? Highly illogical. Aren't these kinds of contests only for people that are 18 and up? The early contest is intended for the web show audience (mostly children and teens). |
| 216 | ** I don't think the age of the winner, or if they have a driver's license matters. I'm sure you can give away almost anything you want as a prize to anyone who enters correctly, but you would need to check Seattle city/state law to be sure. A requirement for the car to drive x fast and the whole risk of losing the website is just RuleOfDrama though. The fact they didn't bother to check if the car existed is a bit of a problem. Many websites/magazines and whatnot can run into trouble in a similar way to how this happened on the show, as like in the show, most prizes given away are done via sponsors and have nothing to do at all with the actual site/magazine, so if the sponsor pulls out or delays, the winner can be left in the lurch because the Magazine/website can't do anything, and doesn't have the prize. |
| 217 | ** Have you seen this episode of Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide in which Cookie wins a car, but when he mentions his age, the moderator on the radio apologizes and tells him that he's too young to participate? |
| 218 | ** But in real life, these contests are held by people who are 18 and up, and care for people who are 18 and up. |
| 219 | *** They got Spencer to sign the competition forms. I don't think it matters if someone is 18 or not, you would just give the prize to a guardian. |
| 220 | *** But you saw Nevel getting the car (fake! prop from Galaxy Wars) and driving it away, then crashing it into the flower shop? And how does that thing have an engine already? |
| 221 | *** I think [[TheUnseen Socko]] put the engine in the car, and presumably, Nevel was on private property or something and thought it was okay to test. I'd go for RuleOfFunny from everything after they decide to convert the prop into a car. |
| 222 | *** Just because it's a prop doesn't mean it doesn't work. The Batmobile's technically considered a prop and most movies and live-action television versions were functional. |
| 223 | * Why didn't the trio just go to Dave Flanken when it was revealed that Nevel scammed them into a fake contest? Granted he might find the situation ridiculous and unbelievable at first, but if it involves his company then he might feel compelled to clear things up. |
| 224 | |
| 225 | |
| 226 | [[WMG: Sam owing Freddie money.]] |
| 227 | * Okay, so at the beginning of iHatchChicks, Chet traps Freddie in his armpit and they bribe him with beef jerky. Freddie owes the same $5 for the jerky. Sam pulls Chet off Freddie again but claims he doesn't owe Sam because she took his wallet. So does Freddie still owe Sam money? |
| 228 | ** I doubt anyone paid anyone any money. They only really seem to care when it's larger amounts, such as the $30 Sam borrowed, which caused the plotline in iOwe You. They are probably just like most sets of friends, who 'borrow' money from each other, and no one tracks it until it becomes heavily one-sided (like with Sam), or large amounts (again, like Sam). |
| 229 | |
| 230 | [[WMG: ''iFight Shelby Marx''.]] |
| 231 | * Why does everyone call Carly a coward for not entering the fight, yet congratulate her when she goes through the fight by clinging to Shelby's leg. Come to think of it, why would Shelby go through with the fight at all? She wanted payback because of her grandmother, yes, but you know who also started a fight with internet geeks with the intent to beat them senseless? UWE BOLL. Would Shelby want to flush her popularity by doing something that made Boll even less popular? |
| 232 | ** Completely agree with you on your first question, but at first, Shelby was not coming into the fight to beat anyone senseless. After Carly insulted her grandmother, she wanted to beat Carly's face to defend her. I don't think her fans or the general public would've been upset with Shelby for winning in a fight against Carly. iCarly is popular in their universe, but certainly not as popular as a young, hot, vicious martial arts fighter (in a world where martial arts fights are popular and their competitors' are celebrities). Her fans would want her to win the fight. The comparison with Uwe Boll doesn't work because Boll didn't fight fair by not bothering to give his opponents proper training. |
| 233 | [[WMG: Sam's mom and Freddie being a buttmonkey.]] |
| 234 | * When Sam's mom accidentally drives through a wall in the school, destroying a locker, why is it that as soon as she leaves the teacher who finds Freddie standing next to the wreckage assumes he is somehow responsible? |
| 235 | ** Freddie was there when it happened. Even if he's innocent, Mr. Howard has the right and duty to question him. |
| 236 | ** AdultsAreUseless, with a generous dose of RuleOfFunny. |
| 237 | ** It was a RunningGag. At least twice before in the episode, Freddie got blamed for whatever was going on with the locker. |
| 238 | ** Car vs. school building. The car's a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Corolla_(E70) 30-year-old model]] with a reputation for rusting badly, the school looks to be pre-UsefulNotes/WorldWarII and probably very solidly built. '''' HOW'''' THE'''' HELL'''' does the school come out the worse in that!?! (yeah, yeah, RuleOfFunny...) |
| 239 | ** Don't forget StatusQuoIsGod! |
| 240 | *** BLASPHEMOUS!!!!! (referred to trope) |
| 241 | |
| 242 | [[WMG: ''iWant Locker 239'' and Sam's fatcake knowing power.]] |
| 243 | * To win the contest for the huge locker, is there an actual reason why Sam knows how many meat cakes there are? It just seems like a random ability created to make Freddie suffer. |
| 244 | ** [[InsistentTerminology Fatcakes]]. And no, there is no reason, except for ''Mama knows her fatcakes.'' You'd think they'd have her cheat or something, but they just had her guess the right number and had Sam HandWave it with the above quote (I think, that could've been from another episode). |
| 245 | ** "Mama knows her fatcakes" was intended to mean just that-- Sam knows fatcakes better than anyone else. She knows them when it comes to size, texture, the relative volume of the packaging, and all physical characteristics that would indicate how they behave when they're piled up or stuffed into something. She can't do the math behind it, but she can be pretty observant when she cares enough to try. It's still a stretch, but it's a somewhat reasonable stretch given that she's pretty familiar with the product in question. |
| 246 | |
| 247 | [[WMG: Carly's attitudes of girliness in "iMake Sam Girlier"]] |
| 248 | It may just be me (a guy), but didn't Carly's advice on how to be girly kinda seem odd. Like the "nice girls don't get into fights", when it was practiced it made it sound like you shouldn't defend yourself from bullies instead of don't seek fights which may have been Carly's intent. And the way she prunes her, is that the way she thinks of being a girl or [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation is it a way she secretly wants Sam to be?]] |
| 249 | ** I thought it was implied that Carly had no idea how to be girly so picked the most stereotypical traits that don't always work in reality. |
| 250 | ** I think the point was that this is Carly's idea of what being a girl is because that is how she is allowed to behave. Carly can be a "girl", who never has to fight or even stand up for herself too much because Sam is always there to fight her battles. Since Carly doesn't have a mother or any other close female friends she just assumes that is what all "real" girls are like. |
| 251 | |
| 252 | |
| 253 | [[WMG: How could Nevel be Carly's boyfriend in "iChristmas"?]] |
| 254 | The reason they met in the first place was that Carly wanted him to write a review of iCarly on his website. Since the show didn't exist in the world where Spencer was normal, it's very unlikely they ever met let alone date each other. |
| 255 | * The normal Spencer world is just mysterious like that. They don't live too far from each other, maybe in their world a boundary for Nevel going to Carly's school shifted just enough for that to happen. Maybe Nevel lives in a different location. There are probably dozens of reasons why it might happen. |
| 256 | [[WMG: iFight Shelby Marx MAJOR goof]] |
| 257 | * When Nevel was showing Shelby the fake video, how did she not notice that Carly's mouth didn't move on her "lines"? You can see Sam talking at the time, but on "What should we do?" and "I'll do it!", Carly doesn't seem to be talking. How did Shelby not notice this?! |
| 258 | ** She may not have been looking hard enough. To catch something like that, you'd have to look closely. |
| 259 | *** ''Really?'' Because when I watch tv and the voices are off sync by even a few ''seconds'' I can tell. |
| 260 | ** Blinded by rage maybe. You tend to not notice things when you're angry. |
| 261 | |
| 262 | [[WMG: ''iLook Alike'']] |
| 263 | * I have some questions about this episode. 1) Since when did Spencer all of a sudden become a strict parent type? I can understand [[MyBelovedSmother Freddie's mom]] not wanting her son to attend, but this is the same brother who nearly decapitated his sister with a hammer because he didn't think through the safety of his artworks, and doesn't seem to care when Carly gets into trouble or dangerous situations in general, and this is even after the events of "iWant To Stay With Spencer". 2) If "iFight Shelby Marx" is anything to go by, he does allow Carly to watch and enjoy mixed martial arts. So why the hell is he so against them in this episode? Did he change his mind about them between the two episodes? 3) Even if he was worried about their safety, why couldn't he have just supervised them? 4) Spencer's not okay with Carly attending an MMA show because it's "too violent" and "a bad influence", yet he's perfectly fine with her hanging around Sam, who's [[HairTriggerTemper very short-tempered]], [[TheBully beats people up]], and borders on being a juvenile delinquent. 5) The fact that he wouldn't let Carly go backstage to do a web show with an MMA fighter, yet in "iFight Shelby Marx", ''[[{{Hypocrite}} allowed her to actually]] [[WhatTheHellHero straight-up fight an MMA fighter]]''. [[SarcasmMode Such a great parental guardian you are, Spencer.]] Yeah, a lot of people say that Carly was in the wrong for being a SpoiledBrat and going against her brother's rules. While I can agree she wasn't in the right either, Spencer is still pretty [[{{hypocrite}} hypocritical]]. |
| 264 | ** My question for this episode is simpler: did the kids just assume that Spencer wouldn't watch iCarly that night? Because if he had, he would have instantly seen that they had disobeyed him and gone to the MMA fight. And it's not like he just never watches it: the very next episode "iWant My Website Back" and several others demonstrate that he does indeed watch the web show, at least sometimes. Even if the lookalikes hadn't been caught, the plan was stupid from the get-go. |
| 265 | ** Carly didn't get in any real danger in her fight with Shelby Marx, and Shelby made it pretty clear it wasn't gonna be an all-out brawl. Another possibility is that Spencer somehow thinks Carly shouldn't be around male MMA fighters as if female MMA fighters aren't just as equally dangerous. |
| 266 | |
| 267 | [[WMG: The Root & Berry retreat]] |
| 268 | * How is it that Carly could get a redo for her science project yet Freddie couldn't? You mean to tell me Freddie was just willing to accept defeat like that? |
| 269 | |
| 270 | [[/folder]] |
| 271 | |
| 272 | [[folder: Season 3]] |
| 273 | [[WMG: Why didn't Sam beat up the criminals in ''iThink They Kissed''?]] |
| 274 | * Wait a second. Sam has been shown beating up huge bullies and adults regularly. It's been implied that she can beat up the entire high school football team. So how, in "iThink They Kissed", did she manage to get overpowered and restrained by two unarmed criminals? |
| 275 | ** Because the writers couldn't think of a better way to end the episode, so there. |
| 276 | *** The criminals, who are pretty hardcore, probably murderers, would split, they might even have shivs on them. Sam couldn't possibly get both of them at the same time. If one of them just holds up Sam (it took time for Sam to beat that bully up), the other could run over to Freddie, who wouldn't stand a chance at stopping the criminal but would still try to protect Carly, even though he could be killed doing so. Sam wouldn't risk getting Carly and Freddie hurt. |
| 277 | *** This was confirmed by WordOfGod, when asked about it by a fan Dan Schneider said something amounting to "in a dark alley alone, Sam would've fought them in an instant, but with Carly and Freddie around she couldn't risk letting them get hurt". |
| 278 | *** BLASPHEMOUS!!!!! (referred to trope) |
| 279 | |
| 280 | [[WMG: Ms. Briggs and Mr. Howard.]] |
| 281 | * Why is it that Principal Franklin can be fired for doing things "that are unbecoming of a principal", yet Briggs and Howard can be abusive towards students (giving Gibby detention for "being ''too'' Gibby"?) and suffer no consequences? |
| 282 | ** And why would the district hire someone like Lauren Ackerman without any kind of background check? She's abusive and unfair to her students, and her excuse is that her boyfriend dumped her. She's got mental issues, and yet the district has no problem with her being a teacher? |
| 283 | *** RuleOfFunny, with a touch of AdultsAreUseless. Everyone on this show is fucked up. The teachers are like extreme versions of teacher cliches (old witch teacher, crazy science teacher, strict mean guy teacher, mid-20's nice teacher who brings her personal life into the classroom) combined with the typical view of teens that teachers get away with doing whatever they want because they are teachers. Since Principal Franklin is the only recurring teacher who the students like, of course, he's going to get fired. |
| 284 | *** Briggs/Howard spent ''at least'' $80-100,000 worth of school district money on surveillance cameras and implemented school uniforms at a direct cost to the families of probably $150-200 per kid, minimum. In the space of one weekend in the depths of the Great Recession! Never mind that in RealLife they'd barely have had time to schedule the first public meeting to discuss forming an exploratory committee before Franklin was brought back - they don't have to worry about Gibby reporting what they did to him, they've blown any chance of ever becoming administrators again because they spend like a billionaire with two weeks to live. |
| 285 | *** RuleOfFunny natch. |
| 286 | *** Briggs and Howard can keep the students in line through fear and force. Remember that the superintendent's problem with them at the end was that the students were out of control. As for firing Franklin over the iCarly appearance, you could easily chalk that up to a lapse in judgment on his end. |
| 287 | |
| 288 | [[WMG: ''iEnrage Gibby'', Spencer's fake death.]] |
| 289 | * Okay, in the episode where Spencer was pretending to be dead, why was no one considering Carly's living arrangements? Her only guardian is "dead" and they're just going to leave a young girl to live by herself?! |
| 290 | ** First, he wasn't legally dead. It was just a misprinted newspaper. Generally, the stuff like guardianship and whatnot is done by official government sources and only when things are set into motion by the police. |
| 291 | ** But still, there were people who at least thought he was dead, so why didn't they try and take any action? All they did was stand around like zebras and console Carly. |
| 292 | *** Only 3 people turned up because of his death. An art critic, an art buyer, and an ex-girlfriend. None of them were at all close to Carly, and they would likely have expected that she was being taken care of by her close family and friends. |
| 293 | *** Yes, but what other people who read the newspaper know Carly? Her dad is in the military, and her mom is...well...who knows, and no one brought up her living arrangements at all. |
| 294 | *** Because it wouldn't have been [[RuleOfFunny funny]] and a waste of time on the actual show? For all we know, maybe Carly had to deal with a bunch of phone calls from relatives and family members where all she said was "No, he's not dead, it's a misprint" over and over. |
| 295 | ** What bugs me about this is the fact that Spencer is committing FRAUD and it is viewed as a GOOD thing. Spencer could've contacted the newspaper and told them there was a mistake and gotten it corrected, instead he decides to go on with it so he can get money. That is a fraud, that is illegal, but even his sister does nothing to stop him. What? |
| 296 | *** Spencer isn't committing fraud, that's why. To commit fraud, there has to be an intrinsic monetary value in his artwork, and there isn't. People are paying more money for it because they think he's dead, sure, but at the end of the day that isn't fraud, the same way playing up the sympathy card with a customer isn't legally fraud. |
| 297 | |
| 298 | [[WMG: ''iPsycho'', Gibby not calling the police.]] |
| 299 | * Why didn't Gibby just call the cops and tell them that the iCarly kids were locked up in Nora's house? Why waste time going all the way to Olympia when the police would've been there in maybe 10 minutes? |
| 300 | ** So he could have his wrestling match with Nora and get a crowning SugarWiki/{{moment of awesome}}. |
| 301 | *** Why did Gibby spend hours trying to get $5 out of a tree? Why was he so excited to massage Spencer's back? Why does he take his shirt off? Why does Gibby do anything? Calling the cops would have been far too logical for Gibby. |
| 302 | *** And when you think about how dumb Gibby is portrayed in the first two seasons, you can see how he forget to call the cops and Spencer. He isn't as dumb as he was back then, not to the point of Flanderization, IPWV proves how dumb he can be. |
| 303 | ** I don't think the following question needs its section, but why does Guppy take so long to go downstairs during the fight? Is he slow, or the other kind of slow? |
| 304 | |
| 305 | [[WMG: Why did Sam ask Carly to teach her to be more girly in ''iMake Sam Girlier'' if she already had a past as a pageant girl?]] |
| 306 | * Because Sam a) hasn't done a pageant in about 7 years at that point and b)wasn't exactly the "girliest" pageant girl. IIRC, Carly taught her "girly" behavior as well as clothing. |
| 307 | |
| 308 | [[WMG: How the frick did Sam win the pageant in ''iWas a Pageant Girl''?]] |
| 309 | * Granted, the dance number was good, but I can't imagine that saving an otherwise flop of a performance. And once we learn that Sam doesn't have a legitimate reason to hate her rival (she's too nice), the Rule of Funny goes out the window. |
| 310 | ** There are many reasons why Sam is an example at JerkSue. This is one of them. |
| 311 | ** About the rival, she ''does'' seem to be rather MarySue-ish, and you know how we feel about them. |
| 312 | *** It's a beauty pageant. The girls are supposed to appear MarySue-ish. There just isn't any reason why Sam should win here, except that she's the main character. |
| 313 | ** The judges were impressed by her... [[BuxomBeautyStandard stage presence.]] |
| 314 | ** I think it should have been tossed out - it was a duet dance, not just her talent. And where did they get the set so quickly? |
| 315 | ** The judges could easily have been fans of the iCarly web show (like every minor character on this show seems to be) or just happen to know Sam is "famous". It's not like judges painstakingly weigh all factors before coming up with a decision for a minor beauty pageant. They have a very attractive girl who is an "internet celebrity" and did fairly well in her talent. I don't think it's strange at all that she won. |
| 316 | |
| 317 | [[WMG: Nora in iPsycho.]] |
| 318 | If she had killed Gibby with that fire poker, [[NothingIsScarier what would she have done with Guppy?]] |
| 319 | * Since we can assume she obviously wouldn't have just let him go, we can only hope she would just lock him up with the others. |
| 320 | * Also, something that always bugged me is that Nora told Gibby, "There is nobody in my basement." A minute later, Gibby is shouting at her, "Where are my friends?!" Uh, what? |
| 321 | ** He could have been asking in a more specific sense, like which door led to it. |
| 322 | * Wait . . . why did Gibby bring his little brother in the first place? |
| 323 | ** Because he didn't want him to be at the loft by himself with Spencer? |
| 324 | * Also, Nora said that if Freddie didn't kiss her, she wouldn't give them food. Wouldn't they eventually die of starvation, then? |
| 325 | ** She probably meant for a long period. |
| 326 | |
| 327 | |
| 328 | [[WMG: iThink They Kissed, Carly, being upset over the secret]] |
| 329 | * Why was Carly so upset because Freddie and Sam didn't tell her they kissed? What reason did she have to know? Just because they're best friends doesn't mean they have to tell each other everything. She was acting like they were married to each other! There's nothing wrong with friends, no matter how close, having secrets. |
| 330 | ** Indeed, Carly took the entire secret kiss thing like a best-friends-MistakenForCheating scenario, from Sam's unintentional admission to Carly forcing the truth out of Freddie. Carly's being upset has a more evident tone of jealousy than Sam's vague expression of being left alone in ''iSpeed Date''. It's rather funny to note that Carly was so curious if Freddie and Sam liked their 8-second kiss (something that is ''very personal''). And when the brief stint Carly became infatuated with Freddie came, he proclaimed in his blog that Carly and he shared a '''glorious''' kiss during the duration of Mrs. Benson's absence. Carly sure knows how to leave her mark. |
| 331 | ** And the fact that they had just been bound up by escaped criminals. You would think they would be screaming for help, not debating their relationships. |
| 332 | ** It's to play up the UnresolvedSexualTension between the trio and to make the Shippers ask questions. |
| 333 | ** Carly probably felt betrayed, as in she thought Sam and Freddie didn't trust her with that information. Being that they're her closest friends, it's not unreasonable that she'd take it so personally. |
| 334 | |
| 335 | |
| 336 | [[/folder]] |
| 337 | |
| 338 | [[folder: Season 4]] |
| 339 | [[WMG: Carly's apathy towards Spencer using the insurance without telling her]] |
| 340 | That was tons of money, and it came from her ''dead grandmother's destroyed watch''. Why wasn't Carly angry that Spencer didn't consult with her about what to use the money for? Also, why ''did'' Spencer do it? He can't seriously be so inconsiderate that he'd use the insurance money from their dead grandmother's watch which was given to Carly in a new room ''without her consent''. |
| 341 | * MostTropersAreIdiots is apparently at play here. If my older sibling ''' destroyed''' my room, and he spent money to renovate it because he felt bad, I wouldn't be mad at him. And how is it inconsiderate if your older brother puts money towards making you happy? |
| 342 | * Neither of them seemed to have been too close to her. They made a joke about not going to her funeral and then shrugged it off with a laugh. |
| 343 | ** I was more annoyed by the way Spencer laughed away the entire plot at the last minute. "We spent $80,000 getting you this new room! Which is ''really'' stupid, 'cause we rent this place, but who cares!?" Writers, if you know an idea is stupid, why do you go through with it? A handwave doesn't make it better, guys. |
| 344 | *** I don't think it was ever said if it was owned or rented before, so it seemed more like the chance to throw in another joke. But still. Stupid. And RuleOfFunny I guess. |
| 345 | ** I was bothered because I don't think $80,000 truly went into that room. Realistically, maybe 40,000 at most. |
| 346 | *** Most of Carly's furniture comes from a company called Jellio including the lamp that was set on fire, Carly has something the company calls a Candelier, the mini version costs $2,400 but Carly more than likely has the big one which is listed as upon request, so its probably about $5,000, her ice cream bench costs $950, the cupcake table costs $750, she has at least 9 lamps which cost $125 each so that's another $1125, she has a pear pad which is an iPad which would cost at least $500. We're already up to $8325 and that's barely made a dent on the stuff in her room, the computer and tv screen looked super expensive, all her clothes had to be bought, her bed, the table with the boat in it. Her room is expensive. |
| 347 | ** I agree about the 40,000 things. 8325 bucks are barely 1/10 of 80,000. They didn't spend CLOSE to 80,000. |
| 348 | ** Don't forget that they had to gut the walls and rebuild everything. Supports, walls, electricity, insulation, repair that section of the air system, cleaning afterward. Even assuming they didn't pay anyone for labor, materials for everything could add up trying to get it all done in only a few hours. |
| 349 | ** Perhaps it's just me, but if someone got me a brand-new room, and one like Spencer got Carly for that matter, I wouldn't even ''think'' of complaining! |
| 350 | *** True, but {{Lampshaded}} in that it's mentioned that the new room still doesn't contain her mementos. |
| 351 | *** $80,000 is a crapload of money. You could fix the room up for next to nothing, and Carly would have the rest of the money for buying a car and paying for college so she doesn't have massive student loans hanging over her head. |
| 352 | |
| 353 | [[WMG: What DID the goat do?]] |
| 354 | Seriously, I want to know. |
| 355 | * Heavily implied that it humped her, I thought. |
| 356 | * I like the idea that it ate some of her clothes |
| 357 | ** And then humped her. |
| 358 | *** And then humped her clothes. |
| 359 | * See NoodleIncident. |
| 360 | * *sigh* Well I've been keeping this to myself for a long time, thinking everyone else got the same answer. But I guess not. So here we go, if you've been to Zoo's very often, or if you have seen some of America's Funniest Home Video clips, you could see that what the goat did to Carly was [[spoiler: It thought that Carly was its mother, and tried being nursed from her. It most likely had been a baby goat.]] |
| 361 | [[WMG: iSam's Mom]] |
| 362 | * Not sure what you're upset about there, troper. Although this troper hates the name of the episode. They couldn't think of anything more original? Really? |
| 363 | ** Is it just "iSam's Mom"? That doesn't even make sense. If it's something like 'iMeet Sam's Mom' that's still kinda stupid because you have to figure that they've seen her mom before the audience. |
| 364 | ** Will reading it like "I, Sam's Mom" cool you tropers' nerves? At least the title can still make context. |
| 365 | |
| 366 | [[WMG: Carly Watching Drake and Josh]] |
| 367 | Is it just me or is Carly watching ''Series/DrakeAndJosh'' in iPrank? The girl she was listening to on the TV sounded a lot like a younger Miranda and Carly comments on the girl's pranking ability possibly making this a shout-out to the fans. And if Carly is watching Drake and Josh, does this mean that Miranda Cosgrove is a real person in the early Universe? |
| 368 | * Yeah. Carly is watching Megan and comments on how that 'little girl can prank so well', and then later Spencer watches Crazy Steve from another ''Drake & Josh'' episode. |
| 369 | ** And while we're on the subject, how did Eric Blonowitz, Craig Ramirez, and Gavin from that show appear in iStart a Fan War if they are TV characters in this universe? |
| 370 | ** A larger one: Tori from Victorious appeared once here. Since Drake & Josh appeared on TV, How did Helen come the new principal at Hollywood Arts? |
| 371 | ** She may have been watching the show that the two kids that looked like Drake and Josh had. In that episode of D&J, the main characters themselves watched it at the end. |
| 372 | |
| 373 | [[WMG:iSell Penny Tees]] |
| 374 | First of all, what is a "penny tee"? Next, was I the only one who didn't find this episode funny at all? |
| 375 | * Penny tees are those t-shirts all the characters wear. They were supposed to have been the creation of Socko's sister, Penny, but apparently, that fact got dropped somewhere along the line. I also have to agree the episode crossed a line. This troper is usually pretty forgiving of Sam's JerkAss tendencies but keeping a bunch of kids in a sweatshop is just too much. And then at the end of the episode, Freddie and Carly get treated as just as much in the wrong for being "too nice." |
| 376 | * Aside from being named after Penny, the shirts are labeled as such because of their "trademark": a single penny sewn onto the trim of its left sleeve. Perhaps this episode is also an attempt at how far Dan's shows can be: the Ping-Pong Scam of Series/{{Victorious}} also tackled something that is "illegal", much like Sam's child-labor sweatshop. Seeing that Nickelodeon also aired these themed episodes ''on the same weekend'', it proves that Nick's radar has malfunctioned. And it also shows that Sam is on her way to claiming her place as Megan's righthand <cue ''Dies Irae''>. |
| 377 | |
| 378 | What kind of hooved animal is Chunk Meat made for? Unless the iCarly-verse contains carnivorous horses... |
| 379 | * The can itself said that it "may contain meat", so it's probably some vegetarian meat analog, similar to things like the impossible burger. |
| 380 | |
| 381 | [[WMG: What is iStart a Fan War about?]] |
| 382 | The Jack Black trailers are... Confusing. |
| 383 | * Hmm. Carly, Freddie, and Sam head to Webicon (like Comicon) to do a 'panel'. |
| 384 | ** Spencer and Jack Black get into a costume/fanboy contest about who has the best costume or knowledge of some fictional show. |
| 385 | ** Adam is a bland pretty boy who goes after Carly. He appears jealous/worried about Carly's relationship with Freddie. The webicon panel quickly descends into a {{Shipping}} riot. |
| 386 | |
| 387 | [[WMG: The relationship with Drake and Josh]] |
| 388 | Ok, this bugs me. In iGet Pranky Drake and Josh is a TV show within the show itself, that's fine, but THEN we get the cameos in iStart A Fan War. How does this work!? Are Drake and Josh a show in the setting or not? |
| 389 | * That is like questioning how "[[Franchise/{{Terminator}} John Connor sends Kyle Reese to the past to protect his mother without knowing Kyle would be John's own father]]" works. There's already the CelebrityParadox of Carly AND Craig/Eric not recognizing Carly's resemblance to Megan, plus the Parker-Nichols Hotel (and many more D&J elements) also exist within the Carly-verse. I don't find it a big deal if the writers would like to inject some reference to the D&J AND have it exist early. |
| 390 | ** Well, to start with, undoubtedly, Zoey 101, Series/{{iCarly}} and Series/{{Victorious}} are connected and part of the same universe. Characters from Zoey 101 were mentioned and have now shown up in cameo appearances in Series/{{iCarly}}, and Series/{{iCarly}} and Series/{{Victorious}} are having a crossover. |
| 391 | ** Series/DrakeAndJosh is a tv show in that universe, as Drake Bell, the actor and not Drake the 'Drake' in ''Drake & Josh'' showed up in Zoey 101. Carly and Spencer have both watched episodes of ''Drake & Josh'' during Series/{{iCarly}}. |
| 392 | ** The way I see it, is one of the following: |
| 393 | *** That the actors of Craig and Eric are both named Craig and Eric (just like Drake and Josh were played by a Drake and Josh), and essentially play themselves on ''Drake & Josh''. This means they acted on the in-universe tv show ''Drake & Josh'', and they are the actual real actors showing up at the Series/{{iCarly}} webicon event. |
| 394 | *** That there is some kind of LiteraryAgentHypothesis going on, and that in the Schneiderverse, Crazy Steve, Megan, Craig, and Eric (and probably Lola and anyone else who was played by the same person but different characters on Zoey 101 and iCarly) were played by different people for the non-real life 'in-universe' version of ''Drake & Josh''. |
| 395 | *** This breaks down though because of the serious business of iCarly's web show and Shelby Marx's fighting fame. How come none of their fans point out the resemblance between them and Carly and Tori respectfully? |
| 396 | *** Possible HandWave: In this universe, it is just a coincidence, they never actually said it was ''Drake & Josh'', let alone the characters' names, it was just a shout-out for those who have seen the show. This can explain why Craig, Eric, and Gavin can exist in iCarly in character because there is no ''Drake & Josh'', just a similar show. Of course, I don't know the WordOfGod, so this is speculation. |
| 397 | *** BLASPHEMOUS!!!!! (referred to trope) |
| 398 | *** In one episode of Drake and Josh they find near-duplicates of each other and in the end we see that those two duplicates got their tv show couldn't it have been that Carly was watching that fake tv show. If the fake show was a copy of the guy's life then they may have included an annoying little sister. |
| 399 | ** To answer the question, I just watched the Victorious episode ''Helen Back Again'', and at the very end Helen says, "And I thought Crazy Steve was crazy." So that pretty much confirms that all four shows are in the same universe. |
| 400 | *** Then in the next episode of Victorious, "Who Did It to Trina?", the cast mentioned "Drake and Josh" as a show (and they said "Drake and Josh"). At this point, I'm pretty sure the Schneiderverse has exploded by now. |
| 401 | *** To answer everything. See the Series/NickVerse. |
| 402 | |
| 403 | [[WMG: In ''iStart a fan war'', why didn't they have crazy Steve?]] |
| 404 | Yes, I know he and Spencer are played by the same actor, but they could've had him leave before Spencer came, or just not be in a certain camera shot. |
| 405 | * Crazy Steve was too busy going to a ''WesternAnimation/DoraTheExplorer'' convention. |
| 406 | * That'd be too much fan service. As is they already had 3 characters from Drake & Josh there, having Crazy Steve would just overdo it. You could also go with the theory that Steve was banned from Webicon for being, well, himself. |
| 407 | |
| 408 | [[WMG: What DID Sam draw on Gibby's forehead?]] |
| 409 | * Come on, don't pretend you didn't see this coming. But yeah, I want to know. |
| 410 | ** Something out of {{Film/Superbad}}. |
| 411 | ** [[Manga/RaveMaster A penis]]. |
| 412 | |
| 413 | [[WMG: Why can't they sue them?]] |
| 414 | The kids in iSell Penny Tees. Why can't they sue them? I'm pretty sure you can sue ten-year-olds, and even if they couldn't they could sue their parents for something. |
| 415 | * Because about 90% of everyone in Schneider-verse is a KarmaHoudini, that's why. |
| 416 | ** Did they patent anything? Is a funny t-shirt enough to gain copyright? Would anyone take it seriously? RuleOfFunny? |
| 417 | *** Even if they couldn't get the T-shirts they could sue them for technically stealing money from them when they took the money and refused to work. |
| 418 | ** I think it wasn't they ''can't'' sue but that they ''won't'' sue. Sam was a pretty bad person in that episode, but I don't think Carly and Freddie would be willing to sue little children. Sam didn't have much grounds to sue them. |
| 419 | *** That'd work out great for Sam.. suing the kids: |
| 420 | --> '''Sam:''' "We're suing you." |
| 421 | --> '''Kids:''' "You were running an underage sweat-shop, we're telling the cops." |
| 422 | |
| 423 | [[WMG: iHire an idiot. Why couldn't they just hire both?]] |
| 424 | Really. They had a great worker and a hot guy, neither will get paid, and they chose the hot guy. For hormonal teenage girls, this may have a bit of sense, but why didn't Freddie speak up and say they should hire both? It's not like either is getting paid and they'd have both their hot guy and a great worker. Problem Dan? |
| 425 | * ''iHire an Idiot and a Pretty Boy Hard Worker'' seems long for an episode. It also ruins the main premise of the episode that the girls hire a moron, which triggers Freddie to go "rogue" and hire his idiot without the girls' approval. |
| 426 | * Well the main problem seemed to be less that they didn't get the guy that was good with tech stuff, and more than the guy they did get kept wrecking stuff. I mean would hiring the first guy have stopped the dumb guy from eating the props? Would it have stopped him from killing Freddie's laptop? Would it have stopped him from writing on Freddie's pear pad? Unless they hired him to follow him around and keep him from touching stuff, probably not. Yes, they could have hired both, but they'd still have the problem of the dumb guy being "dangerously stupid". |
| 427 | ** Actually, it would mostly fix the problem. Most of those screw-ups were from him trying to do his job, and if Brad was doing it instead, they could just have Cort hang out with them. Problem solved. |
| 428 | |
| 429 | [[WMG: The hot tub scene in iParty With Victorious]] |
| 430 | * Couldn't Sikowitz have drowned if he was hiding underwater too long without an air mask or something? (inb4 "RuleOfFunny") |
| 431 | ** It's Sikowitz. I wouldn't be surprised if the man didn't need to breathe. |
| 432 | |
| 433 | [[WMG: The iCarly cast's reactions to the Victorious characters in iParty With Victorious]] |
| 434 | When Sam and Carly first see Tori's picture, they remark on how she looks like that Shelby Marx chick that Carly once fought with. Why is it that no one commented on how Andre looks like Harper from iCarly Saves TV? If they could notice the similarities between Tori and Shelby, why not Andre and Harper? |
| 435 | ** Out-of-universe, making the same joke twice would be redundant and clumsy. In the universe, Tori and Shelby Marx are both major characters the iCarly gang has a ton of interaction with. Harper was a minor character from years ago, and they barely even saw Andre. |
| 436 | |
| 437 | [[/folder]] |
| 438 | |
| 439 | [[folder:Season 5]] |
| 440 | [[WMG: "And I wanted a mom without stretch marks"]] |
| 441 | It's not a normal headscratcher, but I was wondering what made Schneider think it was a good thing to say in a kids' show. |
| 442 | ** Gotta make some jokes for the parents as well. |
| 443 | ** Stretch marks aren't like penises or vaginas. You can get them anywhere at any time. |
| 444 | |
| 445 | [[WMG: Sam in the mental hospital]] |
| 446 | I'm confused. Sam was able to check herself in, but she couldn't check herself out because she was under 18. Why did her age not matter when she checked herself in? |
| 447 | ** Easy. If she said she was suicidal (or at least thought she was for liking Freddie) they would have to admit her regardless of age or parent/guardian consent to prevent her from harming herself. However once in she would have to be under supervision for a minimum amount of time until a doctor could confirm that she was no danger to herself or (possibly) others. The hospital staff shouldn't have even released her with Ms. Puckett's signature if Sam hadn't been there long enough if I remember right. |
| 448 | *** The supervision period is 72 hours, and it was stated that Sam had been missing for 72 hours in the opening of the episode. And the 72-hour supervision period is for those who are involuntarily committed. People who commit themselves may check themselves out anytime they want. |
| 449 | *** My mother used to work on a psych floor in a hospital, but it's been a while so I may not remember the exact details. Long story short it's easy to get committed but harder to get out. |
| 450 | *** Getting in is easier than getting out. If you're checking out because you "feel better" that doesn't sound very convincing. |
| 451 | |
| 452 | [[WMG: The gang doing iCarly from the mental hospital]] |
| 453 | Why did Freddie have all of his early equipment with him at the mental hospital? He didn't know beforehand that they'd be forced to do the show from the hospital, and I'm sure he doesn't lug all of that stuff around with him everywhere he goes. They said that they had to iCarly in ten minutes or something, so they couldn't have run back to get everything to do the show. |
| 454 | * Well, he seems to have it on him most of the time. They did iCarly from a party about 1500 miles from home in iParty with Victorious, and from a closet in Japan, neither of which were the result of planning. Also, it seems he can probably run the whole show off his phone if he needs to, so... |
| 455 | ** Also, RuleOfFunny applies. |
| 456 | |
| 457 | [[WMG: What happened to "Sort out your problems"?]] |
| 458 | They spent the entire 2nd episode of the arc building up to Carly telling Sam and Freddie to fix their problems. Then the 3rd episode has Carly do exactly what she said she wouldn't. She fixes their broken relationship for the 4th time in two episodes, by getting involved and solving the camp/college issue that was completely Sam's fault. |
| 459 | * The fights in the previous episode were pretty much pointless, stupid arguments that Sam and Freddie started themselves. The N.E.R.D. the camp issue, while Sam's fault, was brought up because of Carly. Carly probably felt guilty for trying to break her friends up, or responsible for the whole N.E.R.D. application issue being brought up. |
| 460 | |
| 461 | [[WMG: Gibby wanting to destroy Sam and Freddie's relationship]] |
| 462 | * I'm sorry if it was stated in the episode. I missed it. Why did Gibby want to ruin Sam and Freddie's relationship so badly? |
| 463 | ** Since they started dating, Sam stopped abusing Freddie and has been abusing Gibby instead. |
| 464 | |
| 465 | [[WMG: Gibby.. just hit Sam back. Punch her in the face if she's being a bitch and abusive to you. Seriously.]] |
| 466 | It's not as if Sam has the "I'm a girl don't hit me" mentality, Gibby was shown to not have any problem hitting a woman in ''iPsycho''. He could probably take her if ''iEnrage Gibby'' was anything to go by. Sam has never ''ever'' taken an actual shot on the show, so for all we know, she could be just a scrappy fighter who gets lucky, or has a glass jaw, and if anyone tried they'd put her down easy. |
| 467 | ** some episodes imply Gibby is afraid of Sam. And just like Sam could be a scrappy fighter, she could also be a skilled one. Not to mention, if Sam and Gibby were both as good at fighting as it seems to be implied, they'd probably put each other in the hospital, and then, a whole new can of worms would just open up. |
| 468 | ** It also comes down to a question of morals. Gibby may know how to fight, but he's still a good kid and would be hesitant to hurt someone he considers a friend. And while Sam isn't evil, she isn't very concerned with the well-being of whoever's on the receiving end of her wrath, especially in matters of a full-blown fight. If she absolutely loses it, Gibby's not coming out of that one favorably, to put it nicely. |
| 469 | |
| 470 | [[WMG: Seddie Arc: Carly isn't jealous like every other time a girl has Freddie's attention, to the point where she's shipping Sam and Freddie apparently?]] |
| 471 | Getting some early iLMM annoyances out there.. this is probably the worst part of this 'arc', even in the damn crossover Carly gets jealous again, or possessive, or whatever you like as long but still has Carly not liking Freddie watching other girls, then she turns around and starts shipping them together, pushing them to keep kissing and watching them like a love-struck hawk? This better is very well explained because her blatant jealously is one of the main parts of Carly's character that isn't 'perfect' and has kept at her core. And it's been there so long that even if they HandWave it with some 'character development' it's still stupid because of how long and how recently Carly has acted like that, it shouldn't just vanish for Seddie. |
| 472 | * A lot of people are comparing it to a bad Seddie fanfic and that accusation seems pretty plausible judging from the promo, but we'll just have to wait and see. |
| 473 | * It's possible that it's an IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy scenario, and that it'll develop more now that Freddie and Sam are actually in an established relationship. |
| 474 | ** Semi-confirmed on that last point, one of the reasons Carly helps Sam and Freddie is that she wants them to be happy. Not quite IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy, but she is giving up her happiness and time, and energy to try and make Sam and Freddie happy together. |
| 475 | * Because Freddie isn't just with any girl, he's with Sam. Going by the show's canon, the romance between Freddie and the girls simply doesn't hold the same weight that the friendship ([[LesYay or romance]]) between Carly and Sam does. Their relationship is the longest, it's the strongest, and despite feelings of jealousy Carly may be experiencing, they don't trump her desire to see Sam happy and fulfilled. iHate Sam's Boyfriend, iMake Sam Girlier, and iOMG show a strong desire on Carly's part for Sam to be with the person she's expressed attraction to (or in the case of iOMG, the person Carly believes she's hiding her attraction to.) Carly is the one who encourages Sam to act on her feelings, and before Sam does as much, Carly explicitly tells her "I just want you to be happy." The situation can certainly be chalked up to IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy in regards to her jealousy, though some might argue whose happiness she values most. This would also explain why she fixes things purely for Sam's benefit in iCan't Take It and has considerably less regard for Freddie's feelings in the situation because she knew breaking up was not what Sam wanted even though Freddie would be justified in doing so. |
| 476 | |
| 477 | |
| 478 | |
| 479 | [[WMG: Brad's disappearance.]] |
| 480 | He first appeared on the show trying to get a job on iCarly as an intern, because it was getting to be too much work for the gang to do by themselves. They eventually got around to hiring him in iOMG, and he helped them on a total of ''one'' show before vanishing again. Three episodes later and he hasn't been so much as mentioned. I get that his purpose was largely to kick off the Seddie arc, but in the universe, what the hell happened to him? |
| 481 | * So far we haven't seen a whole lot of the web show being filmed or prepared, so he may be still around. |
| 482 | ** Same place Wendy, Shane, Pete, hell, everyone that isn't the current main cast of 6 went. He hasn't been mentioned at all or seen during the filming of the show itself, so it looks like another case of ChuckCunninghamSyndrome. |
| 483 | ** Carly had to cancel a show when Sam and Freddie didn't turn up (''iCan't Take It''), because she couldn't do it alone with Gibby. That sounds like exactly the time when Brad should have been there. Wendy/Shane/Pete/etc. are excusable, because they're just people at Ridgeway, but Brad was explicitly hired to work on the web show, so he really should be there when they film the web show! |
| 484 | ** Another weird thing is that I could have sworn that one of his lines in iOMG referred to him moving to the school which makes it doubly an issue. |
| 485 | |
| 486 | [[WMG: Could Nora go to a mental facility?]] |
| 487 | Forgive me if this is a stupid question. Nora and her parents are pretty much psychotic, delusional sociopaths willing to kill people over the smallest things. In real life, if they were to be convicted and arrested, would they simply be sent to prison or would they be sent to a mental facility? I'm just asking because I've heard of such happening before. |
| 488 | * That would depend on if they qualify for insanity during their trial, which isn't as open-and-shut as you might expect. |
| 489 | |
| 490 | [[WMG: In iStill Psycho, there's a plot hole.]] |
| 491 | In iStill Psycho, Spencer comes to pick up Carly, Sam, and Freddie, and he needs to pee. So Nora's mom shows her down to their 'best toilet' downstairs, in the basement, as an excuse to get him on the wheel. How could Nora and her mom know that Spencer would have to pee when he got there? |
| 492 | * '''Spencer:''' I have to pee. |
| 493 | ** You misunderstood my question. For Nora's elaborate scheme to work, Spencer would need to be tied to the wheel. So how did Nora's mom know he would need to pee before he arrived at the house? [[WildMassGuessing Did she sneak laxatives into Spencer's drink magically?]] Come on! |
| 494 | *** What you're asking doesn't make sense... If he didn't have to use the restroom, they would've used something else. Like, "Hey, we just bought some new sculptures and would like your opinion!" |
| 495 | *** According to Google, it's a 1 hour and 24-minute drive from Seattle to Olympia (both in Washington State). Someone on a road trip for that long would likely have to use the bathroom at some point, provided they make no stops. Now how she knew it'd be Spencer who would need to pee is still moot, but my point still stands. |
| 496 | [[/folder]] |
| 497 | |
| 498 | [[folder: Season 6]] |
| 499 | |
| 500 | [[WMG: Sam's lack of passport]] |
| 501 | * In "iToe Fatcakes", Sam can't get back into America because she lacks a passport, or indeed any form of ID. If that's the case, how did she manage to cross the border into Canada in the first place? |
| 502 | |
| 503 | |
| 504 | [[WMG: Carly and Sam changed wicked-fast in iGoodbye]] |
| 505 | * In one scene, Carly and Sam were dressed normally, then Freddie filmed Colonel Shay during the Baby Spencer skit, which lasted maybe 40 seconds. Then he turns away when Spencer gets strangled, and Carly and Sam have their Cowboy/Idiot Farmgirl booth set up, and both are wearing their appropriate costumes. |
| 506 | ** They probably had some of/most of those outfits on under their normal clothes. Go in the back, take off the outer layer, put on the hats, boom. It's a trick that's used in plays and stuff like that. |
| 507 | |
| 508 | [[WMG: Can the fire department stop responding?]] |
| 509 | * In the newest episode, Spencer causes a fire (again) and the chief says they're through with coming to their apartment and if a fire breaks out again, they're on their own. My question is are they able to do that? Isn't there a law that REQUIRES firefighters to respond when they're called? |
| 510 | ** No they can't. It's the rule of Creator/DanSchneider. Everything is made up and reality doesn't matter. |
| 511 | ** The most that could happen is that they could get the police involved and arrest Spencer for reckless endangerment to not just Carly but potentially to the building's other residents. I'd say arson too but that would imply Spencer intentionally set things on fire, which he doesn't. |
| 512 | |
| 513 | [[WMG: Canadian fatcakes being illegal in the US]] |
| 514 | * Why would Canadian fatcakes be illegal in the US? Why would a snack cake be made illegal at all, especially one that's already readily available in the US? Why illegalize a certain version of it? |
| 515 | ** Rule of Creator/DanSchneider. |
| 516 | ** Why are KinderSurprise Eggs banned in the US? Why is there a $5000 fee if you're caught with them? |
| 517 | ** The formula could be different and contain ingredients that violate American regulations. |
| 518 | |
| 519 | [[WMG: Jimmy Fallon telling iCarly fans to donate money to save them]] |
| 520 | * Wasn't it expressed in ''we You'' that you can't solicit money from minors? Granted, Jimmy is the host of a popular late-night show but I'm not sure how excusable it would be. Also, I am aware that it's not illegal for adults to donate money, but the odds of it being solely for them to pitch in would be rather situational. |
| 521 | ** Too easy. Kids who are fans of iCarly convince their parents to donate money or give their parents their own money to donate. |
| 522 | |
| 523 | [[WMG: Carly, Sam, and Freddie robbed Gibby]] |
| 524 | What the hell was that about? It was Gibby's prized possession, and they pretty much stole it from him. No, Gibby screwing up doesn't make it okay. Just because it's the final season doesn't give Schneider the excuse to stop caring. |
| 525 | ** Gibby was the reason they had to sell the head - he was being so naive that he let a random guy "sell him" a "moonrock". And then, despite being responsible for this, he refused to help them regain the money. Mind you, the purpose of all of it was to get Sam's mom out of JAIL. In the last episode, Gibby got his head scanned and was probably on his way to getting a new head anyway. |
| 526 | |
| 527 | [[WMG: The Shay's Security]] |
| 528 | * In iOpen A Restaurant, the Shays' apartment is robbed after someone kicks the door in during the webcast, and later Spencer develops two quirky security systems for them because, quote, they ''can't afford'' a real security system. My confusion is two-fold: I know the kids are doing the webcast upstairs and could maybe miss the loud crash of the intruder, but Spencer is just in the other room. Even granting that everyone missed the noise or assumed the other occupants in the house made it (the webcast is wacky, Spencer's inventions are wacky, loud noises might be too common to cause alarm) ''since when can the Shays not afford home security?'' The amount of money that went into Spencer's inventions seems like it would be in the same ballpark as a real alarm, and regardless, the two of them have always appeared pretty well-off. |
| 529 | ** It's been implied that Spencer doesn't make a lot of money with his sculptures. The anti-intruder systems that Spencer makes are probably clobbered together from things he [[RunningGag found in the junkyard]] and other cheap items. Flashbulbs, motion-sensing cameras, wires, corn kernels, and plastic guns powered by some sort of pneumatic pump aren't as expensive as a legitimate security system, especially since they'd have to pay a monthly-yearly fee. |
| 530 | |
| 531 | [[WMG: The RV is back?]] |
| 532 | * How was Spencer able to borrow the RV again in iLost My Head in Vegas if the RV was stolen (presumably by Bigfoot) in iBelieve in Bigfoot? Did they ever establish that Socko got it back? |
| 533 | ** 1) It wasn't Bigfoot who stole it, just some random guy. 2) Bigfoot got bored of it and just left it somewhere. Either way, somebody found it, called the police, and they got it back to Socko by tracing the license plate or insurance card or something. |
| 534 | |
| 535 | [[WMG: The flight at the end]] |
| 536 | * If you listen closely, you'll hear the flight attendant say that Carly and her dad's flight was an estimated 11 hours and 31 minutes. Can a plane even operate for that long without running out of gas? I know some people who've been on long ventures like that where the first half was around 6 hours and the other was near that as well. |
| 537 | ** Absolutely. A flight from the US to Australia is about 14 hours. |
| 538 | ** 11 hours is a pretty average inter-continental flight. There is a commercial airline route from New Jersey to Singapore that takes 18.5 hours. In 1962 a B-52 bomber took an un-refueled flight from Japan to Spain via the US that took 19.5 hours. |
| 539 | |
| 540 | [[WMG: The final scene]] |
| 541 | * Is there any explanation why it was a shot of Sam on her bike, as opposed to ''the actual title character of the show''. |
| 542 | ** I don't think so. Probably some kind of 'moving on' idea, or perhaps as part of the whole ''Series/SamAndCat'' thing. |
| 543 | *** Slightly confirmed- the first shot of Sam and Cat is Sam rolling up in her bike. I saw it as passing the torch of sorts. |
| 544 | |
| 545 | [[WMG: Why did they declare the web show going on hiatus?]] |
| 546 | * Carly was moving away, and the tv show itself was ending. So why not have it be the final broadcast? It would make a lot more sense. |
| 547 | * Unless your question is why a hiatus and not an out-and-out finale, then, in that case, they never said Carly was living in Italy for the rest of her life, so they can still return to the show in due time. Hiatuses can last for very long periods after all. |
| 548 | |
| 549 | [[/folder]] |
| 550 | |
| 551 | [[folder: Characters]] |
| 552 | [[WMG: Gibby's name]] |
| 553 | Why cant they make up their mind? Hasn't he had three or four different names? early on in the series, his name was confirmed to be Gibby (his little brother is called Guppy) but now it looks like it's been downgraded to a nickname, replaced with an overly long one. |
| 554 | ** Maybe he just [[OnlyKnownByTheirNickname goes by that nickname]] most of the time? |
| 555 | ** "Guppy" is probably a nickname too. He does try to act like Gibby after all. |
| 556 | |
| 557 | [[WMG: Carly and failure to punish her for muffin basket explosions.]] |
| 558 | * Carly gets punished about as often as her alter-ego Megan. In particular, in the episode iHurtLewbert, where they give the titular character a booby-trapped muffin basket that explodes and gets off virtually scot-free. Now, I understand that we have to suspend disbelief, but do they expect us to believe that you can set off an explosion in a building without causing a mass panic or ending up in jail? |
| 559 | ** It's an explosion of MUFFINS. Not all that destructive. And not all that noisy, either...muffins are soft, and so them hitting something isn't going to be horrendously noisy unless something large was knocked over. |
| 560 | ** It was loud enough for Spencer to hear from several floors up and powerful enough to injure Lewbert. |
| 561 | *** Spencer was watching iCarly and knew what was about to happen. Odds are, he saw it on the show and checked it out. Even if he wasn't watching (was he? I don't remember exactly) it was on the monitor upstairs, and who knows how loud the volume is on that thing? If it could be heard from seven floors up, why didn't anyone else go downstairs? As for Lewbert getting hurt...he was in relatively close range, and maybe he fell the wrong way. |
| 562 | *** He was lying down on the couch and heard the explosion and Lewberts scream on the computer on the kitchen bench which was tuned into the web show. |
| 563 | *** Carly isn't NEARLY as bad as Megan was. |
| 564 | *** This troper always found Megan the only reason to watch that show. She was the only character who wasn't an idiot. But then I feel the same way about Alex and ''Series/WizardsofWaverlyPlace'' and Sam is my favorite character here. I guess I have a thing for evil girls. |
| 565 | *** [[Series/WizardsOfWaverlyPlace Alex]] and Sam aren't evil, they both fall under JerkWithAHeartOfGold. |
| 566 | |
| 567 | |
| 568 | [[WMG: Lewbert and his wart.]] |
| 569 | * He's always complaining about it, saying how terrible his life has been since he got it. But in the episode where he gets it blown off, he demands to have put on ice that way it can be ''surgically put back on his face''. One: Squick. Two: Why in the world would he want ''that thing'' put back on? He could have let the spot heal and had a better life, but no, he had to have his gross cheek wart.* Shudders* |
| 570 | ** [[StatusQuoIsGod Status Quo Is God?]] |
| 571 | *** BLASPHEMOUS!!!!! (referred to trope) |
| 572 | ** I can think of one good reason ... |
| 573 | ** Because this is a Dan Schneider show. Pretty much everything doesn't have to make sense in the Schneider universe just for RuleOfFunny. Also [[AdultsAreUseless most of the adults on this show are idiots]], so that might have something to do with it as well. |
| 574 | |
| 575 | [[WMG: Freddie having so much gear... EXPENSIVE gear]] |
| 576 | Freddie is not a billionaire. Freddie has a single mom who does not appear to have any significant amount of money. And yet, Freddie's room (as seen in iTake on Dingo) and his laptops, video cameras, etc., belie this. Freddie seems to have an unlimited budget when he shouldn't be able to afford the majority of his gear. |
| 577 | * The web show seems to be, in-universe, a smash hit and nationally famous. Besides the gear, Freddie doesn't have many expenses, being a child, and the website probably gets good money from advertising. |
| 578 | * The biggest issue is probably their ability to stream the web show live. Everything else can probably be handwaved by "Freddie spending the techfoot money on stuff for the web show" or possibly some kind of sponsorship in-universe that is limited. Or advertising. As for the computers in his room? Most computer nerd-type kids gain access and scrounge up a lot of old computers. He's just taken time to get them all working, rather than junking them as he's got better ones. If I kept all the computers I had till I was 18, I'd have about 10. |
| 579 | * He IS in various tech clubs. He very likely could've gotten his supplies from there or made them himself, as he did with the specialized iCarly remote. I mean come on the guy even builds a fully functioning ray gun at one point. |
| 580 | |
| 581 | [[WMG: Sam is a JerkAss. Why do Freddie and Carly hang around with her?]] |
| 582 | * Sam. She's the worst person ever, abusive to everyone... Carly and Freddie could do so much better. Why do they hang out with her? She's not lovable and vicious, she's just CRAZY. |
| 583 | ** Sometimes I wonder just what made Carly accept Sam as a friend. Sure, Sam liked Carly because she didn't take her crap when she stole her sandwich, but I wouldn't want to be friends with someone who pushed me over and stole my lunch. I think it's obvious Freddie only put up with her shit because he wanted to be with Carly. Sam is pretty much sociopathic. |
| 584 | ** It's the same reason the kids put up with [[WesternAnimation/SouthPark Cartman]]. In every group of friends, there's one friend that everyone hates but still hangs out with (and if you think that's not true, YOU'RE that friend). |
| 585 | *** I get that, but I still wonder just why Carly would decide to let this rude, aggressive lunch stealing girl be her friend? Hmm... {{Fanwank}} time: I could see that it happened when Carly first moved to Seattle so she had no friends, and Sam had none either. So when Carly fought back, Sam decided to follow Carly around for a while whilst Carly didn't want to get rid of someone she could be friends with. Freddie came later, became infatuated with Carly as she was the girl next door, and he probably figured out that Sam was pretty much glued to Carly's hip and he'd have to deal with her. |
| 586 | *** This would be a plausible theory if they, you know, hated her. But they don't. Carly tends to pick Sam's friendship over Freddie's (''iTwins'', ''iWant More Viewers'', and that one moment ''in iOwe You'' come to mind), Spencer has a big brother-like relationship with her, and she and Freddie have their moments...occasionally. But they don't hate her. |
| 587 | ** It's called ComedicSociopathy. She does something crazy, Freddie complains about it, Carly shakes her head in resignation, and we laugh. The fact that they still hang out with her (Carly ponders about this issue in the ''very first'' episode, yet four years later they're closer than ever) is supposed to tell us they ''can'' see some good in her, despite her (sometimes dangerous and/or illegal) antics. Presumably, they love her (as a friend, at least) for her good qualities, and ''despite'' the bad ones. |
| 588 | ** Plus I'm sure having a person like Sam as your friend would mean no one would mess with you. |
| 589 | |
| 590 | [[WMG: Sam's clothing]] |
| 591 | Her mother is unemployed, so where does Sam get the money to afford all her nice clothes? She's wearing what seems to be [[{{UnlimitedWardrobe}} a new designer outfit in every scene]], it just seems strange that this has never been brought up in the show. |
| 592 | * I wouldn't say she wears designer clothes. I've seen Sam wear things that I've also seen at Target. |
| 593 | * Various nefarious activities I assume. Maybe she just steals them all. Plus as it happens, the actual wardrobe budget on the show is small, from regular cheap stores, and reused constantly. It's just that the costume people are good at mixing and matching. |
| 594 | * I wouldn't put it past her to have just "borrowed" stuff from Carly's closet. |
| 595 | * The show doesn't indicate Sam and her mom are dirt poor like [[WesternAnimation/SouthPark Kenny McCormick]], even their living room could be seen as presentable. |
| 596 | * In one episode that I can't remember, Sam tells Carly that she and her mom are going "shopping", implying that she and her mom may shoplift some of their clothes. |
| 597 | * It's implied in "iRescue Carly" that Carly and Sam go shopping together, so maybe Carly and Spencer take her out. |
| 598 | |
| 599 | [[WMG: Sam wearing stripes]] |
| 600 | In iTwins, it is revealed that "Sam hates stripes." So why does she wear striped shirts in almost every episode - including iThink They Kissed which references that very episode? |
| 601 | * It was handwaved (either on the show or by the WordOfGod, I forget) that she only hates it when guys wear stripes. |
| 602 | ** BLASPHEMOUS!!!!! (referred to trope) |
| 603 | |
| 604 | [[WMG: Since when did Sam start dressing in a feminine manner?]] |
| 605 | I've noticed this since before iMake Sam Girlier. She used to dress in a more masculine manner before. Is it because her actress is maturing? |
| 606 | * Pretty much. It started that way for the character, then they started hiding her 'development', and it's come around to the point where they just go with it and since they are maturing, they have put her in more 'female' clothes. Probably doesn't hurt the ratings either. |
| 607 | |
| 608 | [[WMG: Freddie's name]] |
| 609 | * Is "Fredward" even a real name? It's Edward and Fred mixed. |
| 610 | ** You just answered your question. |
| 611 | ** Is "insert another weird name" a real name? |
| 612 | ** You've nearly insulted some people named Fredward. Yes, it's a real name. |
| 613 | ** Perhaps a shout-out to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Ward Fred Ward]]. |
| 614 | ** Does it matter? People make up names for their kids all the time. |
| 615 | |
| 616 | [[WMG: Sam being a KarmaHoudini]] |
| 617 | Why does Carly just let Sam pick on Freddie? I think she only stopped her once by spraying her. The other times, she acts like she doesn't give a shit. If I had a friend like that, I'd hold them down while I let the victim hit him/her back. |
| 618 | * She has stood up for Freddie when Sam takes it too far, but usually leaves it alone with it's causing no dangerous harm to Freddie. |
| 619 | * It might have to do with the fact that Freddie can take care of himself when he needs to. |
| 620 | ** I disagree Freddie has been insulted, mauled, and just hurt by Sam every chance she gets, so he seems to not be as capable of defending himself. I have never even seen an episode where he ever got to be a badass, verbally or physically . The closest examples I can think of is when he in iFence and iThink They Kissed. Even in iFence his mother ended up fighting his battles for him. Honestly I think that Crouching moron, Hidden badass would be a perfect arc for his character, but they never really used it. However you may have a point seeing as Freddie built a laser gun one time. |
| 621 | |
| 622 | [[WMG: Why hasn't anyone punched Sam in the face like I probably would have 3 seasons ago?]] |
| 623 | The day Freddie finally stands up for himself would be the day [[Series/DrakeAndJosh Megan Parker]] gets punished. But let's face facts. Sam managed to out-bitch [[Manga/LoveHina Naru Narusegawa]]. |
| 624 | ** In the very first episode, Carly does say to Sam, "Anyone else but me would punch you right in the face." That could mean that if Carly wasn't around, Freddie ''would'' actually punch Sam in the face. Well, maybe not punch her in the face, but fight back at least. Freddie seems to like Carly more than he dislikes Sam, so he might refrain from fighting back so as not to upset Carly. |
| 625 | |
| 626 | [[WMG: The voices]] |
| 627 | It seems that everyone's tone of voice has changed recently (duller) and that the lighting is different. |
| 628 | * Do you watch Victorious? If you do, then you might be noticing that the iCarly set is nowhere near as bright and open as the Victorious ones are (the Victorious Asphalt Cafe school setting is an outdoor location for example), so that might be part of the reason. |
| 629 | * Puberty makes your voice drop. Yes, even for girls. |
| 630 | |
| 631 | [[WMG: The characters and their ages]] |
| 632 | Kids age at different rates, and not everyone looks their age but.. Sam and Freddie look older [[DawsonCasting than they're supposed to be]], especially Sam. It looks like they aged quite a lot, which makes more biological sense for Freddie. Sam has... Filled out a lot... Gibby and Nevel look a bit older than their ages (they're like 15 and 14, right?). |
| 633 | ** They are more like 16/17 by now on the show. They can't get any older since they'd be running into graduation age and that can't happen since they are still going to film another 13 episodes in 2012. The ages on this show got a bit wacky, they looked too young for their ages in the earlier eps (Nathan looked like an 8-year-old in the Pilot), and now they've grown up Sam/Jen is a badonkadonk blonde bombshell and Carly/Miranda has incredible beauty and Nathan/Freddie is now He-Man they look a bit older than what their ages on the show are. |
| 634 | |
| 635 | [[WMG: Gibby.]] |
| 636 | Why the heck has he not been shirtless 10 eps into season 4? |
| 637 | * Got promoted to the main cast, joke was getting stale. |
| 638 | ** Gibby himself lampshaded this in iStill Psycho. |
| 639 | *** The fact he doesn't do anymore is turning it into a joke. |
| 640 | In "iEnrage Gibby", we learn that he's a skilled kickboxer and is on the same fighting level as Sam. This should beg the question, why hasn't he skilled this knowledge before when he was being harassed, even by Mr. Howard. Sure it could end in trouble, but considers the options... he should've at least applied his skills [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight since it'll help in the long one]]. |
| 641 | *** He probably grew out of it. Do you still do all the weird antics you did when you were younger? |
| 642 | [[/folder]] |
| 643 | |
| 644 | [[folder: Shipping]] |
| 645 | |
| 646 | [[WMG: Did I miss an episode where we saw Sam 'fall' for Freddie?]] |
| 647 | Because I'm looking through my list of episodes, and I'm coming up with nothing. Did I miss some revelation that this episode is based around? Sam starts the episode 'in love with Freddie. It's out of nowhere and had no development. |
| 648 | * With Sam's ending expression in ''iSpeed Date''; the bacon theory of ''iSaved Your Life'' further confirms a possible ulterior motive on Sam's part. But yes, most of the plot is an AssPull given the earlier events of this season which could have been a perfect chance to build them up more for the plot to be reasonable. |
| 649 | ** Sam's expression in ''iSpeed Date'' didn't show (in my opinion) that she was in love with Freddie. |
| 650 | * I thought it was just something that she was feeling for a while but has trouble expressing her feelings? I guess her [[BelligerentSexualTension being incredibly hostile towards Freddie was her way of showing affection]]. |
| 651 | ** This is what I thought, and I'm not even a shipper. The "[[BelligerentSexualTension mean and violent towards your love interest]]" thing was something I had become accustomed to from one of Nick's [[WesternAnimation/HeyArnold earlier shows]], so I just assumed it was going to come to light at one point or another. I do agree that the plot could have been done better, though. |
| 652 | ** Well Dan's not exactly the best when it comes to build-up. I think he has all the ideas in his mind as to why this works, but it didn't translate on-screen. If you wanna reach far enough: Sam is extremely abrasive and especially to Freddie, and after iKiss, she might have been developing some sort of feelings. I mean, in iTTK, Sam brought up their kiss, and it seems too far-fetched for laughing has to magically bring secrets like that up. It must've been on her mind at the time. Shows like this that adhere religiously to the status quo make it impossible for any development to occur. And besides, apparently, it's hilarious for Sam to grievously injure Freddie...*cough* Also, there may have been pressure to keep the status quo as well between the 3 best friends. Note how Sam was nice and helpful when alone with Freddie and Brad. I guess Brad was just an excuse? I mean they are a bit more civilized whenever Carly isn't around. Hopefully, Dan realistically explains this, because I like this ship and I don't want some lazy ass-pull. |
| 653 | *** The funny thing is that the subsequent episodes appear to show that Freddie seems to legitimately believe Sam hates him, and because one of the major indications that something is wrong is that Sam starts hanging around Freddie, it makes it look like Sam and Freddie's friendship is barely there and they never spend time along together. I think anyone looking at the arc objectively can see the arc itself has several ''massive'' flaws in addition to the whole StockholmSyndrome plot where Freddie gets bullied and emotionally abused and called worthless for 5 years then turns around and likes the girl who was doing it. |
| 654 | *** ''iKiss'' shortly followed by ''iMeet Fred'' is too ironic and inexcusable to mention in terms of the first sentence, so no surprise if Dan pulls another such episode again in the aftermath of iOMG. WesternAnimation/HeyArnold works for a cartoon. iCarly is live-action. But it would be quite interesting if they ''actually'' get Sam and Freddie together and then Sam gets nothing short of Melanie in terms of girliness around her BF. It will kill the established VitriolicBestBuds comedy since the pilot and would be just as "boring" and "perfect" (if those 2 words even work together) as some claim against the friendship of the other major (yet minority) pairing. Time will tell. |
| 655 | ** Was eventually referred to. Sam pushed Freddie into an oncoming bike courier. The courier hit Freddie and caused him to fall face-first into a fire hydrant. While he was bleeding from the ears, Sam suddenly decided he was cute. There. That's the true love of Sam/Freddie. Likely to have happened just before ''iOMG'' based on Sam's unchanged behavior previous to that episode. |
| 656 | |
| 657 | [[WMG: Why is iMeet Fred [[ShipSinking allegedly a Seddie killer?]]]] |
| 658 | * After watching it, I still don't see it. She's no more abusive than normal, and Carly (and the rest of the world...) is just as mad at him as Sam. |
| 659 | ** It's not a ShipSinking (because that is an in-universe relationship 'death' and that hasn't happened), but it is the biggest event for AbandonShip that Seddie has. Which is a fandom trope. |
| 660 | ** But I still don't get why. I mean, she always beats Freddie up, and normally Seddie shippers claim that they have a SlapSlapKiss relationship. |
| 661 | ** Because it's ''worse'' than Sam's typical behavior, beating him with a tennis racquet and then throwing him out of a treehouse because of his opinion? Also, many people still ship Seddie anyway and prefer to ignore it or claim it as 'RuleOfFunny'. |
| 662 | |
| 663 | [[WMG: Was Freddie just bored of not having a girlfriend?]] |
| 664 | * He hasn't explained his role in the relationship, his initial reaction in ''iOMG'' and the start of ''iLose My Mind'' basically show us he didn't like her back. Did he just go away for 3 days and then decided after going to the mental hospital he couldn't be bothered waiting for Carly and took what Sam was offering without really caring all that much about her to start with? |
| 665 | ** [[WildMassGuessing If anything]], [[FridgeBrilliance it could be the possibility]] that the reason why he decided to hook up with her in the first place was so that she would stop abusing him ([[DomesticAbuse Not that it did anything]]). |
| 666 | ** Unless it's somehow discussed in the next episodes (unlikely) we'll never really know, beyond the idea that her kiss in iOMG was 'intense', whatever that means. |
| 667 | ** It was also 'fun'. |
| 668 | ** Quite interesting. On the iCarly site, Freddie wrote a blog before iLost My Mind about how awesome it would be to have a girlfriend. |
| 669 | *** Dan has control over the tie-in site content so obviously knew they were going to have the Seddie relationship explored for a while and thus included it for some foreshadowing right before the episodes aired. |
| 670 | ** In the end the physical side of the relationship (ie kissing and/or screwing) couldn't make up for the litany of issues in their romantic, friendship, and emotional aspects of the relationship. |
| 671 |
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