Line #29 Headscratchers/FinalFantasyIVTheAfterYears


1	* Cecil's father supposedly gave up his own existence in order to make Cecil a paladin in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIV.'' So how is it he's still around and can [[spoiler:test Kain and turn him into a Holy Dragoon]]?
2	** In Porom's Tale, he outright tells her that his spirit will never be extinguished.
3	*** Which elevates it from PlotHole to either {{Retcon}} or AssPull.
4	*** What's really odd is that he says "I am about to fade, but my spirit will never be extinguished." Which is just, I'm not sure...
5	*** Perhaps he just needs time to recover strength?
6	*** Perhaps the one who turned Kain into a Holy Dragoon wasn't Cecil's father, but instead Kain's father. Other popular theory states that it was the deceased king of Baron.
7	* When Yang investigates the meteor site near Mount Hobs, he can get all the treasure chests there, of course. But how can he, when you come there earlier as Gekkou and can clear it out before Yang could have possibly gone there?
8	** That happens a lot. How many differenct characters climb Mt. Hobbs and empty the chests? And yet they're full each time. My WMG? There's a treasure chest fairy that fills them when you're not looking.
9	*** I imagine she's the same fairy that refilled the chests in the Lunar Subterrane? There must be a wild encounter fairy too that went around killing off the monsters from the original game and replacing them. How else did all those dragons in the Lunar Core get replaced with turtles and armored knights?
10	*** Because Cecil and Co killed all of the dragons, that's how.
11	** Shouldn't the random placement of treasure chests in a fresh crater be more of a problem then the fact that they're refilled?
12	*** The meteor presumably comes from [[spoiler:The True Moon]], which has plenty of treasure chests in it.
13	* Kain failing the trial on Mount Ordeals and his evil side gaining a separate existence... well, as legitimate a plot point in any Final Fantasy game. However, Kain faffing around on Mount Ordeals for ''seventeen years'' before this happens is just silly.
14	** It took seventeen years before he qualified for the trial. There's a reason Kluya needed to use a lot of power to let Cecil do it immediately.
15	* How does Cecil know Golbez's true name is "Theodor" to name his son Ceodore after him? He's always heard his brother referred to by the moniker of "Golbez," and doesn't call him anything else until after the death of Zeromus, at which point he just calls him "brother." And even near the beginning of Ceodore's Tale Cecil still calls him Golbez.
16	** It's possible that Cecil could have done some research to find out where he was born and met the people who knew about his family. The King of Baron would be able to gather that kind of information.
17	* Why do the Elemental Lords want to get killed again? The Creator restored their living avatars, they GET OVER their mind control (and Rubicante is not even controlled), they DO NOT fell evil, so... they let their avatars be destroyed by the party for, virtually, nothing. Instead of, I don't know, ACTIVELY HELPING us to defeat the invaders. Or, maybe, living in the mortal plane again. No, let's just die for no reason at all!.. Same goes for Edge's parents.
18	** In both cases, it was because they were afraid of being controlled and used for evil again
19	* In both Kain's Tale and the Gathering Tale, you can explore the world for days at a time, and "meanwhile", a single conversation is happening in a nearby castle. Especially jarring in the Gathering Tale, where you explore the entire ''world'' from top to bottom, rescue every lost party member, and it takes that long for Ceodore and co. to have their confrontation with [[spoiler:Cecil]].
20	** Really? You're complaining about this in a JRPG? Keep in mind, [[LetsPlay/HCBailly when the world is in imminent peril, it's sidequest time!]]
21	* This may have been a translation error with the PSP version, but... In Yang's tale, while Yang and Ursula are sailing to Baron, their ship starts losing speed. The captain claims it's because [[AnachronismStew their fuel tank is leaking.]] Do you see something wrong with this paragraph?
22	** This is also present in the UsefulNotes/WiiWare version.
23	** Well, this is a world that has propeller-driven airships; I know the ship's sprite has a sail, but maybe it has a motor... too? Upon which it primarily relies? Regardless of what may be wrong with that concept? Besides, without a leaky fuel tank, Yang wouldn't have to go punch a tree to make more oil.
24	** It's 17 years after the original game and the ship has no visible sails. Given the era of peace, it's not implausible that Cid has shared some of the technology used to build airships with other nations, leading to traditional ships being converted into steamships (and averting MedievalStasis.)
25	* Why are Death Gaze and Ultima Weapon in the game? ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVI'' was ''not'' a crystal game. Shouldn't they have used some of the bosses from ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIX'', ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXI'', or ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII'' which '''did''' feature crystals in some capacity? Hell, even ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII'' involves crystals in a way.
26	** But Final Fantasy 6 WAS a Crystal game. The Magicite Shards are shaped exactly the same as the Crystals in 4, they serve a similar role in the plot (that of the goal of the enemy) and Doom Gaze is even carrying one in the World of Ruin.
27	*** In Dissidia Terra's Crystal is a piece of Magicite.
28	*** But while they play a similar role in being magical {{MacGuffin}}s, Magicite is explicitly identified by Ramuh as the remains of Espers, whereas the Crystals in I, III, IV, and V are of ancient and unknown origins. Furthermore, there's, at most, 8 Crystals associated with a given world, while, between the party's collection and what we see Kefka gathering onscreen, there are dozens of pieces of Magicite that we the players know about.
29	* Considering how frequently mind control was used in the first game (to the point that the guy doing the mind control was ALSO mind controlled) it seems rather foolish of most of the cast to ignore or disbelieve the rumors of Cecil becoming evil. Yeah he's the hero and everyone trusts him but especially since everyone notes that the events of the first game are flaring up again, you think their first thought upon hearing Cecil's erratic actions would be to immediately assume Zemus had returned and was controlling him (even if that was wrong assumption as to his pupped master)
30	** Yang gets the biggest IdiotBall in regards to this. He was there when Cecil unmasked Cagnazzo as having murdered and replaced the real King, which means that he (along with Palom and Porom) should be the most ready to believe that something is rotten in the state of Baron.
31	* Why doesn't Rydia appear to have aged much, if at all, between the original game and TAY?
32	** My guess is that the sped-up time mechanism that the Feymarch have is one-time only when it’s applied to humans. Or that Rydia is just OlderThanTheyLook.
33	*** Even ignoring the Feymarch time difference, 17 years pass between the main game and the After Years, so she should be nearly 40; she looks nothing like that at all.
34	*** Maybe Mist Summoners have an elf-like lifespan.
35	* Why do Rydia, Izayoi, and Harley have three Bands together even though the only thing they share is being older women who wield whips? Three Bands that revolve around the same ideas seem a bit too much for characters who don’t even interact or share a history with each other. Granted, for Temptation they have Rosa too, and Call Me Queen is Wild Whip’s extension anyway.
36	** Another, more serious explanation is probably just that the writers didn't know what else to do with endgame bands for Harley or Izayoi, who didn't have many thematic connections to other characters outside their respective chapters and who lacked other obvious magical or technique-based synergy with other characters. In fact, Harley only two other bands outside of the whip ones (one of them being her obligatory one with Edward), and Izayoi, while she has a lot of combinations with the ninjas, likewise only has one other band with the characters outside her chapter.
37	** One other possible explanation is that there are hints in the code that there was a planned Blue Magic command that was never completed; the only character likely to have it was Harley, who has caster stats but no magic. If it was killed late in development, they may have had to revise her bands at the last minute, since blue-magic based ones would no longer make sense.

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