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| 3 | * ''Headscratchers/Fallout3'' |
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| 6 | * ''Headscratchers/Fallout76'' |
| 7 | * ''Headscratchers/Fallout2024'' |
| 8 | [[/index]] |
| 9 | |
| 10 | !!In General |
| 11 | %%New entries on the bottom. |
| 12 | |
| 13 | [[foldercontrol]] |
| 14 | |
| 15 | [[folder:Who needs oil?]] |
| 16 | * I'm sure there's an offical explanation somewhere, but why did anyone still need an abundance of oil after the nuclear energy boom? Sure, you still need oil for plastic, and probably some other minor things, but from what we see, everything from cars, to robots, to all city power grids were nuclear powered (how else are they working after hundreds of years?). Yet the Great War and by extension, everything seen in the franchise happened because everyone was fighting over oil. The wiki states that it was needed to power the country's ever expanding economy, especially because in this universe, microtechnology never became widespread, but no real explanation is given. |
| 17 | ** The nuclear tech miniaturization probably did not reach everyone like it did the United States. China invaded Anchorage because it needed the oil, and the U.S. could counter-invade China and push them back because of the fusion batteries fitting inside a man-sized tank, their mass-production to fit battalions. If the Chinese had similar nuclear miniaturization, which the Stealth Armor could support, it was apparently too costly for them to manufacture at the level the U.S. could. Even after the Great War, Fission Batteries are a widespread and essential item in the Wasteland. |
| 18 | ** So all the U.S. had to do to prevent the nuclear apocalypse was give China some blue-prints to make some cars powered by the uranium that's currently in their nukes? Cold-War satire at it's finest. |
| 19 | ** Synthetic fertilizers. It doesn't get a lot of attention, but it's a major use of petroleum byproducts, and one of the fundamental technologies supporting the Green Revolution. The Resource Wars were probably as much about food as the were about fuel. |
| 20 | ** While there are other uses for oil, they're pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things compared to fuel and have viable alternatives. As we're eventually shown, the miniaturization of nuclear energy sources was a direct result of innovation in response to the resource wars themselves. Had some country invented the portable nuclear devices prior to the war the U.S./China war and thus the Great War would never have happened. However, by the time nuclear powered cars, Energy Cells, Microfusion Cells, etc. happened the war was in full swing and there wasn't any going back. Any attempt to share the tech at that point would've been handing over the U.S' greatest advantage over to their enemies. The Great War itself was the result of desperation on the part of China who were very close to a conventional defeat and so went "screw it." |
| 21 | *** They're pretty insignificant ''now'', but as fuel use is phased out, the need for fertilizers remains, and it ''becomes'' the primary use. And while alternatives exist in our world, the Fallout world's technological stagnation may have extended to that field as well, with the world never moving past the Haber-Bosch process (which is still the primary method in use even in real life). |
| 22 | ** Not entirely true: according to the timeline, certain advanced tech companies like Wilson Atomatoys and Mass Fusion were founded decades before the war (though admittedly, we don't know what their first products were), and the fusion cell was introduced in 2066. And while giving China the tech to solve their own energy crisis may have been giving up America's main military advantage in the long term, it would also effectively remove most of China's motivation to fight, and, along with impending military defeat, been a very strong bargaining chip the US could have used to make them sign a peace treaty. Then again, given the US government was already pretty much The Enclave by that point, anything less than the total destruction defeat of the Chinese [[DirtyCommunists Communist]] government that had invaded their land, let alone sharing tech may never have been on the table. |
| 23 | ** That last one is it. The Chinese might have been commies, but the US was the worst example of capitalism. Giving up the tech to ''anyone'' was extremely unlikely, and it was never going to happen with their direct enemies. |
| 24 | * [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3FVBcBiKiY&ab_channel=N_orte One dedicated fan explains it here,]] citing in-universe lore and the Fallout Bible; 1. Petroleum was no longer used in cars, but was used for plastics and construction materials essential to modern life, not to mention fertilizers and herbicides. The years before the Great War did indeed see massive food shortages and riots, implying that the depletion of oil did serious damage to nation's ability to produce food. 2. Nuclear fission power existed in the universe for decades, but was reliant on uranium and wasn't very efficient, so uranium was being depleted by the time of the great war as well. The much more efficient nuclear fusion was developed shortly before the Great War, but all the U.S.'s infrastructure was still reliant on fission and oil, and it would take years at best, decades at worst to pull of the transition. 3. Diplomacy had long since broken down and nationalism taken hold, not just between capitalist and communist countries, but all countries, which ensured that the Great War would never reach peaceful resolution once it started. |
| 25 | [[/folder]] |
| 26 | |
| 27 | [[folder:90's Computers to vacuum tubes]] |
| 28 | * In the original game, you saw typical 90's PC's, but you never see them in the newer games. You see computers from the 60's instead. Why? |
| 29 | ** This is an example of early adaptation weirdness. The ''Fallout'' universe is inspired by the 1950's; [=PCs=] didn't exist until the late 70's. Thus, they had to do a weird hybrid of 50's tech look with technology that didn't exist then. When it entered the 3D era, they were able to improve the look. |
| 30 | [[/folder]] |
| 31 | |
| 32 | [[folder:Repair]] |
| 33 | * How does one repair a baseball bat with another, slightly more broken baseball bat? |
| 34 | ** You use pieces of the undamaged wood from the new bat to replace damaged sections of the old bat with a healthy amount of Wonder Glue, duct tape, and AcceptableBreaksFromReality. Worth noting this is somewhat TruthInTelevision as a lot of wooden stocks for old guns were replaced when broken by splicing a new one where it was damaged. |
| 35 | [[/folder]] |
| 36 | |
| 37 | [[folder:What happened to other continents?]] |
| 38 | * They don't mention about the Middle East and Europe (With Asia). Seriously, are they all dead? |
| 39 | ** [[WordOfGod According to the]] [[http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline#2052 official timeline]], Europe and the Middle East nuked each other to oblivion BEFORE America and China did, fighting for the last few drops of oil in the Middle East. It's safe to say that if anybody survived that shitstorm, it's mutated all-to-hell (although [[WordOfGod Chris Avellone]] claimed he wanted to make a prequel game called ''[[http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout:_Resource_Wars Fallout: Resource Wars]]'', which focuses on a British army unit fighting their way back to the English channel across a war-wracked Europe -- between the implications of this and [[EvilBrit Alistair Tenpenny's]] migration to the Capital Wasteland from Britain, there may have been a program in England similar to Vault-Tec in America, allowing some Brits to survive the nuclear holocaust in Europe). |
| 40 | ** So if they did survive, then they most likely built nuclear shelters to shield out all of the radiation. What about the Soviet Union? |
| 41 | ** Most likely either dragged into the European Civil War, the Great War, or both. With the result of everything getting nuked to all hell. |
| 42 | ** Check out the [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/Metro2033 Metro]] [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/MetroLastLight Series]] for an example of what ''Fallout'' Russia might look like. |
| 43 | [[/folder]] |
| 44 | |
| 45 | [[folder:Pre-War Cars]] |
| 46 | * Why has nobody tried to repair the pre-war cars, when other Pre-War technology like Power Armor, Robots, and Energy Weapons have been? Ask any african and they'll tell you that a car isn't just a way to get from A and B, it's a tool for survival when living in a place with dangerous animals, as not only does it surround you with protective armor, it also makes you bigger, and faster than animals that might do you harm, which is why they tell you never to get out of the car when you see a lion. Now picture the world of ''Fallout'', with its Deathclaws, Yao Guai, Rad Scorpions, Cazadors, Giant Ants, etc. Having a car could mean the difference between life and death. Not only that, the NCR is described as being "Like a real old time country" by the time of ''New Vegas''. If they really are that far along in the process of rebuilding, then why aren't there any new cars being made? |
| 47 | ** "Ask any african": Just how ignorant are you about Africa? |
| 48 | ** Power Armor, robots, and energy weapons are relatively self-contained, and somewhat limited to technophile groups. Cars require considerable infrastructure which may not be worthwhile given the relatively small, spread out populations involved. And, as awesome as cars can be as defense against wild animals, an alternative tactic, used with success by human populations the world over, has been to not go where dangerous animals live. Most of the population of the ''Fallout'' universe are relative homebodies, with soldiers, ''New Vegas'' tourists, and designated heroes as the main exceptions. |
| 49 | ** Also, some people HAVE actually repaired pre-war cars for use. There's the Chrysalis Highwayman in ''Fallout 2'', a few more vehicles in ''Fallout Tactics'', and there are what appear to be working trucks seen parked in ''Fallout 3'' and ''New Vegas''. |
| 50 | ** Getting one running is relatively simple, but unlike shockproof battle gear, "planned obsolescence" would be in full force. Even the Highwayman (I miss that car!) needed several parts replaced to make it effective, and that's not counting various other real-world issues such as wear and tear on the tires, and the ever-increasing likelihood of being inside it when somebody fired a missile into your power plant. |
| 51 | ** The body and engine itself would actually be (relatively) easy to restore, assuming it followed the 50's design philosophy of "Everything in the car that can possibly be made out of metal should be metal." All you'd need to do is sand off the rust, weld any body holes, machine any damaged engine parts, and scavenge whatever else you need to get her running. The ''really'' hard part is the tires, fan belts, and seats, which will have likely long since rotted away and be ridiculously difficult to replace. |
| 52 | ** It might just be that none of the "Pre-War Book" items are Chilton manuals. |
| 53 | ** There is a cars mod that actually adds drivable cars to ''Fallout: New Vegas''. Could explain your question. |
| 54 | ** Considering the abundance of active landmines strewn all over in the later games, traveling with a vehicle on open roads or across bridges would be suicidal. |
| 55 | |
| 56 | [[/folder]] |
| 57 | |
| 58 | [[folder:Stealth Boys]] |
| 59 | * Why is it that the {{player character}}s can use as many Stealth Boys as they want without becoming a paranoid, schizophrenic wreck? |
| 60 | ** The PC uses them for twenty minutes at a time while the nightkin used them constantly for over a hundred and twenty years. It is distinctly possible that you simply haven't been using them long enough to make a difference. It's also possible that humans aren't susceptible to the mind-altering effects of Stealth Boys. Given that no human has worn them as long as any nightkin it's impossible to say either way. |
| 61 | ** Realistically, you can't get that many of them. Even if you used all of them (excluding FO3), you aren't using them anywhere near the 24/7 usage Nightkins used. |
| 62 | --->''Fallout 1'' has five.\ |
| 63 | ''Fallout 2'' has none.\ |
| 64 | ''Fallout New Vegas'' has about twenty (ignoring farming a randomly appearing NPC in one of the safe houses).\ |
| 65 | ''Fallout 3'' has well over a hundred, since every random container and some enemy drops could have them, while those with Chinese Stealth Armor had an equivalent technology (possibly not as damaging?). |
| 66 | ** Maybe human brains and nightkins' aren't the same, they get affected differently? |
| 67 | ** Judging from what the doctor in Jacobstown said, you're probably right. |
| 68 | ** Yes. Dr. Henry (who is in both ''Fallout 2'', working for the Enclave, and then in Jacobstown in ''New Vegas'') says as much. Stealth Boy side effects are more pronounced in Nightkin than humans. |
| 69 | [[/folder]] |
| 70 | |
| 71 | [[folder:How's Australia?]] |
| 72 | * Just out of curiousity, has Australia been hit badly? Unless it was invaded by the Chinese, I don't see much incentive for it to be attacked. Sorry if this is explained in supplementary material or in terminals. |
| 73 | ** Australia probably wasn't hit with nukes, but expanded universe material suggests that the nuclear war caused such widespread and devastating ecological damage (to say nothing of the economic impact of two powerful nations obliterating each other) that the rest of the world, even those not hit with nukes, couldn't have fared very well. Australia is probably back on its feet for the most part by the time of ''New Vegas''. |
| 74 | ** You say that, but I don't even want to '''begin''' to consider the sorts of horrifying creatures that have evolved and mutated there. The worst thing America got mutated from a ''chameleon'' of all things. Can you even imagine what the nasty stuff in present-day Australia might have mutated into??? |
| 75 | ** Okay so let's go with "Australia is probably back on its feet for the most part by the time of ''New Vegas''". The mutated hyper intelligent Sydney Funnelweb Spiders are lovely folks in happy towns doing a splendid job of living after killing all the humans on the continent. |
| 76 | ** There are tons of 1950s-period shout outs throughout the series: the only Australia-specific shout-out that springs to mind would be ''Literature/OnTheBeach,'' and a shout-out like that would mean that the fallout wiped out all the humans on that continent. |
| 77 | ** Well, don't forget the ''Film/MadMax'' movies which, while more from TheEighties than TheFifties, have already been used aesthetically for many aspects of ''Fallout''[='=]s post-Great War society (i.e. the PostApunkalypticArmor, VillainByDefault [[TheUsualAdversaries Raiders]] in ''VideoGame/Fallout3'', as well as the highwayman [[NoCelebritiesWereHarmed Mad Mel]]). Presumably, Post-War Australia may be just like the Film/MadMax Australia of scattered survivors and raider packs zipping around in {{WeaponizedCar}}s -- just with the cars [[PowerSource powered by nuclear engines]] instead of gasoline, and with more mutated humans and animals to worry about on top of all that. |
| 78 | ** Australia is home to a full third of the world's known uranium deposits. They were probably the ''first'' country China attacked. |
| 79 | [[/folder]] |
| 80 | |
| 81 | [[folder:Lack of protective eyewear]] |
| 82 | * One thing has been stalking me for a while: Why the hell the Vault Dweller wasn't given the [[GogglesDoNothing Protective Eyewear]] when he had left the vault? |
| 83 | ** Or did he? There is no way to tell if he actually wear something. Maybe it's just an unsellable souvenir like his pajamas. |
| 84 | ** I think they just lost them. Vault 13 and Vault 8 had mixed up deliveries, maybe the goggles were delivered somewhere else? |
| 85 | ** Hey, the Lone Wanderer also didn't have a pair. |
| 86 | ** The Lone Wanderer didn't exactly leave the Vault in an orderly and proper manner. |
| 87 | [[/folder]] |
| 88 | |
| 89 | [[folder:Improbable Ammo]] |
| 90 | * A revolver using .32 caliber ammo not even scratching your targets, that's fine. The same bullet in a hunting rifle taking off limbs with ease = what? |
| 91 | ** That's not too surprising; the power of a given unit of ammunition is based not just on how much gunpowder and lead is involved, but how much powder can burn before the bullet leaves the barrel. .223 is physically similar to several military rounds and is a good if borderline deer hunting round in a long rifle, while it's drastically less impressive in a shorter handgun barrel. You can typically see a doubling or even tripling of velocity going from a short revolver to a long rifle. This doesn't excuse the '''horrible''' game design choice, but that's a different issue. |
| 92 | ** This one is TruthInTelevision: in the Old West, the two most popular weapons were the Colt Peacemaker Single Action Army revolver and the Winchester 1873 Repeater. Why? Because BOTH USED THE SAME AMMO. The revolver allowed for faster drawing and shooting, but the rifle, with its longer barrel, allowed for more precise shooting and harder impact because of its rifling. Rifling is to cut spiraling grooves into the inside of a barrel (hence the term itself, rifle). These grooves cause the bullet to spin as it leaves the barrel, making the bullet more aerodynamic by gyroscopic motion. This results in a faster, more accurate, harder-hitting projectile. |
| 93 | ** Rifling has nothing to do with making a projectile hit harder, it just spins the bullet so it remains more stable the flight path, just like spiraling a football. Also, most pistols have rifled barrels as well, at least most modern ones. |
| 94 | ** That would mean something if a point-blank range shot to the face with each gun did the same damage, yet they don't. |
| 95 | ** Bullets fired from rifled barrels are more accurate and more ballistically stable over long ranges thanks to spin stabilization of the projectile. They are not faster, nor harder hitting at short range; the rifling effectively converts some of the projectile's forward velocity into angular momentum. However, ''longer'' barrels do generally mean higher velocity from the same ammo (there are a few caveats, however, and it's not so much of an issue with fast-burning powder). |
| 96 | ** The ''Fallout'' series seems only differentiate by projectile size, not case size, since there are no case length dimensions (5.56mm is just 5.56mm, not 5.56X45mm). The hunting rifle looks like a M98 mauser, which is 7.92MM, which is .32 caliber. So, when you shoot the .32 ammo in the Hunting rifle, you're shooting 7.92mm Mauser ammo. |
| 97 | ** That's absolutely not possible. Regardless of whether ''Fallout'' ammo has dimensional differences, you're still able to load the exact same ammo into the Hunting Rifle and .32 Pistol. If you've got a revolver, you can load it exclusively with ammo picked up from rifles, and vice versa. There's no doubt that the guns are meant to be shooting the exact same round, and the discrepancy in power is ridiculously large. |
| 98 | ** ''Fallout'' calibers are not necessarily the same as real world calibers, they are just probably very close since there's not much reason to reinvent the wheel. IIRC both ''Fallout 2'' and ''Fallout Tactics'' do have use of historical guns from our Post-Divergence timeline (Fallout 2 sticking mostly to guns that never had real production runs), but this has been declared somewhat non-canon by Bethesda. Remember, the current NATO calibers are all post-Divergence. The .32 can just be treated as a caliber invented for ''Fallout'' that's a pastiche of real-world .32 pistol and rifle rounds and was designed to be used for either. |
| 99 | ** At any rate, the FN P90 and the FN Five-Seven as well as the other weapons in the family were all designed to use the 5.7mm round, mainly for logistical reasons. Other than that, it's probably best to just call it gameplay reasoning as it's not exactly enjoyable to juggle 15 different ammos types just for your handguns and rifles alone. |
| 100 | ** Among reasons already listed, you have to consider that a revolver dumps a surprising amount of the generated pressure through the gap between the cylinder and the barrel. |
| 101 | ** All of these explanations are fine and dandy, but the power gap between the revolver and rifle is too immense to be explainable as anything except for GameplayAndStorySegregation. While a longer barrel gives more power and range, there's a finite limit to just how much power any cartridge can provide. A .32 round that works in a small, cheap revolver with little recoil and is easily survivable several times over by an unarmored citizen simply cannot be granted enough power to blow heads off or take down mutated predators in one shot by increasing the barrel length because there's just not enough powder to push the bullet. Having too long of a barrel could even result in less power than the optimum, as the bullet reaches its maximum velocity in the barrel and is slowed by friction. The .357 Magnum hits hard both in a pistol and a rifle; the rifle will hit harder and reach a longer range, but the pistol can still make a one-shot stop even on a deer. If it worked the way ''Fallout'' guns did, the rifle would turn anyone it hit into a fine red mist. It's GameplayAndStorySegregation, no way to explain it otherwise. |
| 102 | ** Unless you go with the explanation that the powder in the .32 round is slow burning, resulting in more propulsive force being generated when it's fired from the rifle because the burning powder has more time to propel the round, whereas the revolver is spitting the round out along with unburnt powder. |
| 103 | [[/folder]] |
| 104 | |
| 105 | [[folder:Chinese in the War]] |
| 106 | * How were the Chinese fighting this war? This troper started the series with 3, and all the articles in that game suggested that the nuclear war was triggered by China invading Alaska. But here we are all the way at the opposite end of North America and there are dead Chinese infantry, wrecked Chinese jets, and an automated Chinese propaganda radio station broadcasting essentially across the street from the Pentagon. |
| 107 | ** It has been hinted in earlier games that the Chinese invaded Alaska first, and the US both expelled that invasion and made a landing of their own on the Chinese mainland ("Our boys fought from the Yukon to the Yangtze, and we were winning too...until those damned Reds launched everything they had at us."). The soldiers in the D.C. area can be explained as infiltrators/saboteurs, but jets are another matter entirely. |
| 108 | ** There was also Gobi campaign (Gobi is a desert in northern Mongolia/Southern China, as evidenced by Gobi Campaign rifle in New Vegas. Which would explain desperation leading them to pull out the nukes - war on two fronts is not a good position. But real explanation is that Fallout 3 world building makes little sense. |
| 109 | ** It's presumable that the China attempted to coordinate the nuclear strikes with an invasion to the enemy capital; presumably the idea was to conquer the remaining areas in the after-blast confusion. They got there, all right, but unfortunately for them, China had been decimated as well, and they got no new orders or support; under such conditions they either died in radiation, hunger and the remaining American resistance, or became integrated to the forming Wasteland community, as they had nowhere to return to, and nothing left to fight for. |
| 110 | ** The broadcast can be explained. It come from Mama's Dolce factory. Go in there to meet...Chinese troops. Well, ghoulified, but still half-alive Chinese troops. They apparently keep on following some 200 years old orders. I think this is a reference to a story about some [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Japanese_soldier forgotten Japanese troops]] that fought [=WW2=]... until the seventies. |
| 111 | ** If the design of the bomb in Megaton is any indication, the Chinese didn't have/weren't using [=ICBMs=] to nuke cities, they were dropping them from planes. Clearly, the jets and infantry were support units to the bombers. |
| 112 | ** Nukes can be deployed from more than one platform at a time. US strategy in event of nuclear war was to strike with sub launched ballistic missiles, intercontinental ballistic missiles, nuclear bombers and conventional forces simultaneously. The Chinese likely employed a simultaneous bomber and ICBM attack. |
| 113 | [[/folder]] |
| 114 | |
| 115 | [[folder:Purpose of the Vaults]] |
| 116 | * Perhaps this troper didn't explore enough, but what exactly is VaultTec's angle? Pretty much all vaults you found included cruel social experiments, some of which were literally designed to drive inhabitants into murderous frenzy. But why? The knowledge from these experiments wouldn't be terribly useful under normal circumstances. What use would it be after society is gone (since no-one would enter the Vaults before WWIII), even if you still have the means to collect and analyze the data. Did they have any plausible goal, or is Braun simply the only stockholder of VaultTec and has ordered then to 'just be dicks'? |
| 117 | ** It was all testing for space exploration, to examine every possible contingency of what could happen to a crew, and what the psychological response would be, so they would be adequately prepared when they actually sent colony ships out. |
| 118 | ** (Different Troper) That's all well and good, but Vault Tec wouldn't be able to actually perform its experiments until the apocalypse, and they wouldn't get the data for centuries afterwards. That's...awfully speculative on their part to assume that there would * be* a space program to benefit from their knowledge. |
| 119 | ** They had a deal with the Enclave who were planning to outlive the nuclear war, and at least some plans on how to build spaceships after the war, as well. Ultimately they still weren't quite prepared enough, however. |
| 120 | ** (Original Troper) Ok, so there is an explanation given (where exactly? In game or AllThereInTheManual ?), it's just not a very good one "Okay guys, for our spaceship design, lets not place speakers that send frequencies that drive you insane, lets not pack it with twice the number of people its supposed to carry and hand out guns. Our research shows this is bad." Plus, some of these are implied (or explicitly mentioned in the logs) to have required the help of certain people living IN these vaults, who must have been a few really loyal company men. Especially in case of vault 101, which required consecutive generations of Overseers to cooperate. But it's the ''Fallout'' universe, heartless and stupid acts by authority figures are what got them into the post-apocalyptic mess. |
| 121 | ** Where's the explanation given? ''Fallout 2'' for starters. If that doesn't float your boat there's always the [[AllThereInTheManual Fallout Bible]]. Kids these days, never taking time for the classics... |
| 122 | ** The maddening speakers were presumably to test what would happen if the PA system on the ship malfunctioned, the population tests were to see what would happen if there was an accident that either wiped out most people of one gender, damaged cryosleep stuff, there was a population explosion via breeding, or one ship was damaged and another took on its population, etc. Everything has a logical explanation if you think about it, except the vault with the panther. |
| 123 | ** Obviously the panther vault was to check the realistic effects of putting albino radscorpians in the same ship as where they keep several dozen unarmed civilians. on a more serious note it was probably about a dangerous livestock escape. |
| 124 | ** [[Webcomic/PennyArcade Vault 77]] was a psychological experiment to see how a person would fare for long periods of time with only inanimate objects as company. The experiment failed miserably. |
| 125 | ** That looked like a successful experiment. They found out the answer was "not very well at all". A failure is when the vault dies out because of something completely unrelated to what they were testing for, so they still have no idea what would tend to happen. |
| 126 | ** To be honest I think some of them were for said purpose, and some were just involved in general scientific testing for the Enclave. The speaker vault was specifically stated to be involved in testing the viability of sonic brainwashing techniques, and the Supermutant vault was involved in FEV research into creating a super solider. Both would be very useful for taking over the planet and beyond after the bombs had fell. |
| 127 | ** ''Fallout 3'' -- only troper here. My impression was that Vault-Tec (and by extension the US Government and/or the Enclave) never actually expected a full-scale nuclear war to break out. Most of the Vaults were actually filled before the bombs started falling, a few days or weeks before the apocalypse. It wouldn't be hard for Vault-Tec to make up some lie like "they all signed on for five-year contracts and the Vaults have been sealed for that length of time, they won't be coming out until then" giving them plenty of time to conduct their "experiments." |
| 128 | ** You're partly right. Vault-Tec and the Government really did not expect nuclear war to happen, neither did many of the people who signed up. But then war ''did'' happen, and the Vaults were used for their expressed purpose. Call it convenient timing, but if your theory is correct, the Vaults could only get the signal out within a day, at most, otherwise all sorts of issues would have happened. In ''Fallout 1'', you can find recordings that say that many of the Vault's intended population ignored the warning calls, thinking it a false alarm. The details of going into the Vault include an emergency siren and lots of phone calls, which would probably alert quite a few people if it were to be a few days ahead of the Apocalypse. But all indications are that all was well in the general public the morning of the day the bombs fell -- the school field trip that creates the Little Lamplight community, for instance. In ''Fallout 3'', you find letters delivered to prospective Vault Dwellers explaining when and how they'll be contacted when the Apocalypse arrives (many of the letters are still in the mailbox, meaning they weren't received). It shows that the people going in had been screened well before-hand and had signed on expressly for shelter in the event of nuclear annihilation: |
| 129 | --->'''Vault-Tec Acceptance Letter''': In the event of a Vault activation, whether actual or drill, Vault-Tec will sound a siren audible in the immediate vicinity of the Vault facility entrance, and residents will be contacted via holotape message at the phone number provided in their resident profile records. Please report promptly to Vault 101 to await admittance and processing upon such a notification. |
| 130 | --->'''Vault-Tec Rejection Letter''': We are writing to inform you that your family was not selected for inclusion in your chosen Vault-Tec facility. Your deposit has been retained, and your application added to a waiting list for your preferred Vault. In the interest of your family's security in the event of a minor nuclear event, please consider relocating to one of these areas, where Vault-Tec facilities are available without a waiting list... |
| 131 | ** Another possible answer from ''Fallout 3'' comes with the reveal of Dr. Stanislaus Braun, the Director of Vault-Tec's "Societal Preservation Program." Dr. Braun's quickly revealed to be an utter psychopath who enjoys torturing and murdering the Vault residents in his virtual reality program, bringing them back to life, then tormenting them over and over again. So, in other words, one of the key masterminds behind the entire Vault Project was a sadistic monster who liked hurting people ForTheEvulz. Kind of explains a lot in regards to why so many of the Vault experiments were so pointlessly cruel. |
| 132 | ** I believe the implication was that all the "I-on-U" cameras didn't ''just'' link to the Overseer's office -- the data would also be transmitted (probably via underground cable) to the Secret Vault, where elite Vault-Tec staff could sit back and PassThePopcorn while doodling little drawings of themselves flying on rocket ships. The various projects showing how to use hallucinogens, sonics or FEV to generate unstoppable shock troops would be useful if their new destination was inconveniently inhabited: just decant some Gary-Clones, drug them up, slip them the virus, give them headphones and drop them on the planet. |
| 133 | ** The original plan for the Vaults had to be scrapped because the Enclave space program was scrapped, according to VideoGame/FalloutVanBuren. There was a rocket in New Mexico (IIRC) that had already been refitted twice (original plan was to take humans to Mars, then changed to resupply the KillSat B.O.M.B.-001 with ammunition) which they planned to refit yet ''again'' to create a space colony. Unfortunately the war broke out before they could finish it so the Vaults just ended up being meaningless torture. It was too late to call of the experiments and its not likely anyone at Vault-Tec or the Enclave really cared anyway. The Vaults descended into [[ForScience For (pointless) Science.)]] |
| 134 | [[/folder]] |
| 135 | |
| 136 | [[folder:Legitimacy of ''Fallout'' Bible]] |
| 137 | * What bugs me is people treating the ''Fallout'' Bible as the Word of God, which seems to include Bethesda to an extent, and some people on this page. Despite the name, it isn't that. For one, Chris Avellone, who put it together, wasn't even involved with the first ''Fallout''. For the second game, he was just one of several designers, and not in the lead. Another thing is, the design for a game changes throughout the development progress. The ''Fallout'' Bible has bits and pieces here and there from the design documents. Some ideas were changed by the time they made it to the finished game, and some were left out completely. Whether it was due to limiting the scope to fit the resources or because the developers just decides the idea was too silly or stupid or just ill-fitting, we don't know. After all, does anyone think the first ''Fallout'' would be better if it included a settlement of intelligent raccoons? |
| 138 | ** While I mostly agree with you, that last sentence bugs me. Ahem, two words. [[Comicbook/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy Rocket Raccoon]]. |
| 139 | ** True enough, most of the ''Fallout'' Bible was WhatCouldHaveBeen (and we're glad it wasn't) but much of it could also be considered WordOfDante. Avellone at least rates that much, as he was almost [[WordOfGod God]] at one point being lead designer on ''Van Buren'', when most of the Bible was compiled. |
| 140 | ** It's really just Avellone showing you WhatCouldHaveBeen rather than saying, "This stuff definitely is canon!" |
| 141 | ** It's not really intended to be "this is exactly what ''Fallout'' is supposed to be," so interpreting it in that manner is more FanDumb than anything else. Black Isle had a habit of putting very outlandish things into their games as jokes, so just because it might have appeared in a future ''Fallout'' game doesn't necessarily mean it was supposed to be a major plot point or very much beyond an EasterEgg. |
| 142 | ** Also considering Bethesda has ignored canon elements, I doubt they treat the ''Fallout'' Bible as though everything in it is supposed to be canon. Case and point, everything in ''Fallout 3'' has a nuclear reactor and Washington DC still exists in a very recognizable form. As opposed to electric cars, which existed prior to the nuclear bombs falling, and Vertibirds using oil based fuel (which is a plot point in ''Fallout 2'', since one of their bases is partially devoted to making fuel and the other serves as a refueling point). |
| 143 | ** Considering that the said fuel-making base was ''destroyed in a nuclear explosion'' at the end of ''Fallout 2'', isn't it pretty logical that the Enclave would start powering them with different means? Also, Bethesda didn't "ignore" that there were electric cars; rather, they simply added nuclear ones. Both types of vehicle exist in the ''Fallout'' world now. |
| 144 | ** The Oil Rig was powered by a nuclear engine because it also served as a post-war facility. Logically, it's efficiency is expanded by using a nuclear power source to power the drill to siphon the oil, which is used for the vertibirds. It wouldn't make sense to use oil to power the facility that's meant to produce oil. The problem is that Nuclear power is treated as a dangerous and unstable in the other games (Fallout 2 demonstrates the problems with the Gecko power plant), and treated with fear and respect for that power. As for electric cars, Bethesda did forget, as there are zero references to electric powered cars in the game. As it's noted on the ''Fallout 3'' Headscratchers page, with such a plethora of nuclear cars in DC, it's a wonder why there aren't more craters at the scene of major accidents. Adding to this is that FO3 Vertibirds explode with much more violence than cars or buses (and certainly more than a comparable fuel-driven vehicle), and they're certainly built to be quite robust. If it were only some vertibirds which are armed with nuclear weapons or missiles, this would be understandable, but in ''Fallout 3'', even the unarmed troop carriers will explode rather impressively. |
| 145 | ** "Dangerous and unstable"? The Gecko plant's radiation leak is solved simply by replacing a single part. And the ghouls seem to view it like a big old hot tub in addition to a power source-- the workers will tell you that the background radiation feels good to them. Respect it, possibly. Fear it, no. As for the cars, it's evident that nuclear cars are quite popular in DC, so maybe an explanation is that there are just very few electric cars around that don't get mentioned and aren't seen in-game. The reason that the nuclear cars are so volatile is because their reactors have degraded after being left exposed without maintenance for 200 years. They could not explode like that in pre-war days. Vertibird reactors are significantly more durable-- they take a ''lot'' of damage before they explode (unless you use the Tesla Cannon, which instantly destroys the reactor's systems). |
| 146 | ** Please remember that anytime you use the word "Maybe" it's entering WildMassGuessing because of all the misinformation. ''Maybe'' nuclear cars are so volatile because they are simply there for [[RuleOfCool more explosions]], rather than any rational or sensible existence. Yes, nuclear power in ''Fallout 1'' and ''2'' is considered unstable. [[http://www.falloutwiki.com/Gecko_(town) Gecko's power plant is not stable and is under the constant and watchful eye of the Ghouls there.]] They simply happen to be comfortable in there. To wit, what is one way the Chosen One can destroy the Oil Rig? [[http://www.falloutwiki.com/Power_plant_operations Tom Murray]] can be talked into simply turning off the control system for the power plant, which causes the destruction of the Oil Rig in a giant nuclear fireball. What you're saying instead is that these cars can just vent off two hundred years of intense heat without any sort of proper maintenance, while armed supermutants have been fighting in the streets for over a hundred years (let alone the past twenty when the Brotherhood came along), and none of these "destabilizing cars" explode or are pulled apart or used as improvised explosives. |
| 147 | [[/folder]] |
| 148 | |
| 149 | [[folder:Vault 13 Dweller's Pip-Boy]] |
| 150 | * Didn't see this, so here we go: In ''Fallout 1'' you save Vault 13 and [[spoiler: are exiled for all your trouble]]. So in ''Fallout 2'', why doesn't PipBoy know the location of Vault 13? Or even have basic maps? I can understand why wouldn't have the whole map (maybe the Vault Dweller headed straight to the tribe) but how come it doesn't have the route to Vault 13, the place it came from? Seeing as it automatically records your travels this is bizarre. |
| 151 | ** That's because it hasn't been maintained properly for almost 50 years. You can service it in Vault 8 by inserting it into a slot in one of the computers near the Overseer control room (through dialogue). You get a message saying how many maintenance cycles were missed that says that most of the memory blocks are corrupted, and then you're asked whether you'd like to update your Pipboy. If you do it adds the location of Vault 15 and a couple other places (NCR, New Reno and some more I can't remember now) to your map. You need PE of at least 7 to notice the slot. Granted, it's no Vault 13, but there's your explanation as to why there's no maps or anything of the sort on the Pipboy. |
| 152 | [[/folder]] |
| 153 | |
| 154 | [[folder:Vault technology as a resource]] |
| 155 | * It bugs me that in ''Fallout 2'', it's mentioned that Vault City was built by the Vault 8 dwellers who were lucky enough to be part of the "control" group for the experiment. Yeah, they had a G.E.C.K to terraform the nearby area, but otherwise they used supplies and technology from the Vault to build and maintain Vault City, one of the most high tech settlements in that game. And, also in ''Fallout 2'', it's mentioned that no one wants to leave Vault 15 alone because it has valuable high-tech pre war goodies in it. So why, at least in ''Fallout 3'', can't you go to some of the other Vaults and find advanced technology in them? I realize Vault 112 didn't exactly need much except something to power the Tranquility pods, and the rest of the Vaults, except 101 of course, have GoneHorriblyWrong (all according to plan) not long after sealing so I can understand that a lot of things have been damaged in those 200 years, but some things have to still be functional and able to use outside of the Vaults. Namely the Vault power generators, which are still keeping computer terminals and those eerie red lights on. Learning what makes said generators tick may at least help the settlements in finding better power sources of their own, and, at best, recreate smaller versions of the generators for themselves. |
| 156 | ** And with Vault 101, should you convince the Overseer to hand the title over to Amata, I hate how there's not even any implications that they'll trade some of the Vault's technology in exchange for supplies. It just seems like all Amata and the rebels thought were "Woohoo! We can live in the Vault but still travel to the outside!" And nothing beyond that, when they don't seem to realize settlements in the Wasteland would be doing quite a bit for some of the Vault's advanced technology. If they're nervous about being attacked, why can't I at least tell them that certain settlements like Megaton and Rivet City are sociable. Instead it's just "Well, you may have learned a useful thing or two while out in the Wasteland, but some of the residents blame you for this mess so you can't ever come back again, even if it's just a few quick short visits with nice tidbits for survival and/or equipment for us." |
| 157 | ** They pretty explicitly state that they plan to start trading with the outside. Aside from clean water, they don't have a whole lot to offer besides their technology. And if you handle it peacefully, I'm pretty sure that there's even some implication that you might eventually be welcome back, after they've rebuilt and dealt with everything that happened (numerous deaths, etc...). |
| 158 | [[/folder]] |
| 159 | |
| 160 | [[folder: The Master]] |
| 161 | * It bugs me that The Master does himself in when present with the evidence of supermutant sterility. He's an immortal supergenius who apparently has the means to create more immortal geniuses, he should be able to at least take a shot at curing the sterility or developing another means of reproduction before the mutant population drops too low, which could take centuries if ever if they avoid overharvesting the human population. |
| 162 | ** The short answer: the Master was quite insane. The long answer: the Master was a deluded SocialDarwinist and thought that he ''had'' solved the sterility problem and that "nature would find a way" or something like that. In his mindset, his spawn were logically superior to humans since -- like him -- they were immune to disease and radiation and -- due to stupidity or insanity -- not self-serving pricks like the rest of the humanity: therefore, natural selection would be on his side. He was ''right,'' therefore he ''would'' triumph! When the Vault Dweller gives him solid proof that Super Mutants have not and will likely never become fertile, the Master (being an intelligent man of science under all of his madness) realized in a moment of clarity that he had not been breeding a master race but turned hundreds of people into stupid, hideous abominations... and, as a correlation, he is one as well. Cue freakout and suicidal depression. |
| 163 | [[/folder]] |
| 164 | |
| 165 | [[folder: Opening Vault Doors]] |
| 166 | * Neither design of vault door ([=FO1=]/[=FO2=] or [=FO3=]/NV) entirely makes sense. In the originals there's an arm that pulls the door to the side, but nothing to push it out of the doorway. It just pops out by itself. In the later models there's an arm to pull it out of the doorway, but nothing to push it to the side. It just rolls away by itself. |
| 167 | ** Poltergeists! Big ones!... No, seriously, odds are they just didn't think/have time to animate the smaller gears or chain drive that would have engaged the giant cog-teeth. By the way, my vote is for the ''Fallout 1/2'' designs since they seem bigger than the hatchways behind 'em: it would take a virtually point-blank nuclear blast to shove the door through the wall than it would to 'pop the cork' of those DC-area doors. |
| 168 | ** I assumed they were magnetic, or something. |
| 169 | [[/folder]] |
| 170 | |
| 171 | [[folder: Super Mutant Fashion]] |
| 172 | * This is just out of curiosity, but what's the deal with those leather straps on their heads that stretch up their upper lips? |
| 173 | ** Their lips are huge. If they didn't wear braces, they wouldn't be able to talk or eat. It's not as obvious by the time of ''New Vegas'', but just look at the [[http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101225082741/fallout/images/6/61/FO01_NPC_Lieutenant_N.png Lieutenant]], or [[http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101226052752/fallout/images/1/11/FO01_NPC_Harry_B.png Harry]], and the need becomes obvious. |
| 174 | ** Good answer. Although I'm fond of the idea of Super Mutant fashions: "Why you wear railroad spike through ear, Bob? Style this year is human humerus through ear!" |
| 175 | [[/folder]] |
| 176 | |
| 177 | [[folder: The Enclave]] |
| 178 | * Here's what's bugged me throughout the entirety of ''Fallout 2'' and ''3''. The Enclave are remnants of the pre-war U.S. government. They have the best technology and most members of any organization in the ''Fallout'' universe (well, close to the most numbers, though that's obviously not the case now). They have top of the line military training and weapons that will disintegrate Brotherhood Paladins in one hit. So why is it that time and again, they keep getting foiled by untrained civilians and factions they clearly should be curbstomping? The NCR in ''Fallout 2'' didn't even have anything special about them, they were just a bunch of Vault dwellers who united some tribes and made a nation, the Enclave does not even have a plan for stopping post-war nations that don't even have power armor or plasma weapons in a straight up fight? And in ''Fallout 3'', they get their asses kicked by the Brotherhood, which is especially odd since not only are they more numerous, better trained, and have better tech than this branch, but the Brotherhood was already stretching itself thin dealing with the super mutants! Seriously, it's a wonder these guys even got to their positions in the U.S. government. |
| 179 | ** Well the Enclave never actually had to fight any of the major factions in ''Fallout 2''. The NCR, even at that point, had a huge reserve of manpower to draw from and the Brotherhood technology isn't as far behind Enclave as reputation makes it out to be. The Enclave probably could have won that fight, but the cost would have been substantial and their Final Solution would have simply made the whole fight pointless. As for ''Fallout 3'', it would seem that the Brotherhood simply withdrew and fortified, not presenting a viable target for the early assaults. It was a stalemate until Liberty Prime was deployed, and by the time it was destroyed the Enclave was in full retreat. |
| 180 | ** You are misinterpreting the capabilities of the factions significantly. |
| 181 | ** The only point in the series the Enclave was the largest faction when the bombs actually dropped and that was solely because none of the other factions existed. Even that is disputable because the Brotherhood of Steel was made up of the survivors from the military vault and very quickly became about the same numbers. |
| 182 | ** Enclave also has a much, much higher percentage of non-combat civilians compared to the Brotherhood of Steel. |
| 183 | ** Enclave numbers do not and have never compared anywhere near the same level as the NCR reached by ''Fallout 2''. |
| 184 | ** Superior technology isn't an "I Win" button in the ''Fallout'' universe. Yes, power armor does stop small arms fire very effectively. It does not stop heavy weapons or armor piercing bullets very well, and, while there isn't a huge amount of it around, there is more than enough considering the number differences. Besides, running around with weapons capable of disintegrating power armor is one of the most bone headed things they could possibly have done because the NCR and Brotherhood, with there superior numbers are going to win fights and scavenge those weapons. Once they have those weapons, they took away one of your main advantages (power armor), while still keeping superior numbers. |
| 185 | ** One might as well ask why ''our'' version of the US keeps having trouble in places like Vietnam and Afghanistan. ''Our technology is superior! So why is this so difficult?!'' |
| 186 | ** The Brotherhood and NCR have a significant advantage over the Enclave in a war simply because they have experience fighting in the Wasteland while the Enclave has holed up in their oil rig for decades. Training and technology would matter very little if they simply didn't know how such an alien environment worked. |
| 187 | ** ''New Vegas'' further demonstrates that a technology advantage does not mean a lot in this series. The NCR won out over the Brotherhood of Steel because they could afford losses the BoS couldn't, meanwhile on the NCR's end the Legion is a thorn in their side despite the firepower disadvantage (the disparity is lower than the former example, since they aren't exclusively a melee-only faction, but still). |
| 188 | [[/folder]] |
| 189 | |
| 190 | [[folder: The price of drugs]] |
| 191 | * In the original ''Fallout 1'' and ''2'', drugs are a commodity worth their weight in caps. A single bottle of Buffout or Mentats can cost almost as much as a Stimpak. But after ''New Vegas'', they got the selling price of Jet while Stimpaks are still pricey. Also addictions are simply worth 2-5 doses of the drug you've gotten high on and the doctors are more than willing to combat your addiction instead of telling you that you are constantly getting addicted and need to learn the hard way of going cold turkey. So why is there more "liberal" reactions to drug use and drug price. |
| 192 | ** Supply and Demand versus the time period. In ''Fallout 1'', stimpaks were in a greater demand simply because of the CrapsackWorld nature of the game. Other drugs, like Buffout and Mentats, were something of a luxury, and really, there weren't many suppliers for those drugs (most of them were apparently pre-war items). In ''Fallout 2'', there still was a great demand for stimpaks, and less for "performance enhancing" drugs, with recreational drugs like Jet becoming more popular (though its performance enhancing properties were less manageable, but useful). By this time, there still weren't many suppliers, but they were starting to have some manufacturing capabilities. By ''New Vegas'', simply put, that's because it's New Vegas. A few hundred miles away from the relatively safe and conservative NCR, and you're in a Den of Vice and Villainy with a greater need for medical supplies because of the nearby conflict between armies. Drug use is quite a bit more liberal, by both locals and visitors, and since there's a steady flow of supplies coming in from the West, there's more of the other kinds of drugs readily available. There is a thriving drug trade, which is amply supplied by the Khans (see: Jack and Diane), the Atomic Wrangler, street dealers (Dixon even sells a "low-quality" version of jet), the NCR (black market dealings), and so forth, compared to the limited number of suppliers from 40 and 120 years before. And why wouldn't a 'quick fix' to rid a person of their addiction be appreciated in such a town for the low cost of 5-6 doses of your preferred drug of choice? "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas," afterall. |
| 193 | ** It also applies to ''VideoGame/Fallout3'', which started the whole "Med-x is cheaper" thing, and the Capital Wasteland isn't what you call a civilized place. |
| 194 | ** It's implied to be pre-war morphine. [[RealLifeWritesThePlot The change was made because some countries were going to ban ''VideoGame/Fallout3'' for portraying real-world controlled substances in a "realistic" fashion.]] That said, Morphine is cheap and plentiful in the real world. |
| 195 | [[/folder]] |
| 196 | |
| 197 | [[folder:Navarro]] |
| 198 | * How did that gas station cover keep Navarro hidden for so long? The distance from the small station to the huge military base/oil refinery is maybe 40 feet at most, with only a thin line of trees between them. A wastelander would be able to spot the base simply because they approached the area from an angle. |
| 199 | ** Essentially, they are not actually hiding the base (it's too big to be a "hidden base"), but they are also not advertising that it is there. There's a little bit of GameplayAndStorySegregation that comes into play with the isometric view and limited graphics capability of those older games, but there's plenty of reality to something like that as well. Navarro military base is based on Fort Bragg (the real Navarro has no military base and is far away from where Navarro would appear in game). This Troper has lived near major military bases all his life, and a thin line of trees (particularly evergreens) obscures major structures awfully well to the point that if it weren't for the big signs that pointed out that it was a base, one would not realize there was anything of importance back there at all -- particularly to people travelling on foot. That said, there's also the one gate guard there at Navarro who deters uninvited guests, as well as a chain-link fence to prevent anyone from entering the base itself. |
| 200 | ** Personally I felt it was the dozen plasma turrets that ''really'' deterred uninvited guests. It's worth noting that the Navarro base ''was'' built pretty close to the ground -- one modest satellite dish and the Vertibird hangars. No massive antenna mast, no observation towers: I agree that it looks a little dubious in-game, but if they'd build the whole thing in a relatively shallow depression it could be hidden in the dead trees. |
| 201 | [[/folder]] |
| 202 | |
| 203 | |
| 204 | [[folder:Chosen One's Age]] |
| 205 | * I don't think we can be sure about the PC from the original ''Fallout'', but does anyone know if the canonical Chosen One from ''Fallout 2'' has a canonical age? I always thought it was weird that you could make the PC a teenager; since the PC's mother (the village elder) appears to be a ''very'' old woman, that really can't be possible. I think the Chosen One should canonically be ''at least'' in his thirties at the start of ''Fallout 2''. |
| 206 | ** The Village Elder is only 53 at the start of ''Fallout 2'' (born in 2188, and the game starts in 2241). She is not aging very well, probably due to the rustic conditions and hard life in a dry community like Arroyo. The ''Fallout'' Bible states the Chosen One's birthday is March 23, 2221, which would make the Chosen One 20 years old when ''Fallout 2'' begins. |
| 207 | ** Isn't the Elder the Chosen One's ''grand''mother? |
| 208 | ** Nope, the Elder is the Chosen One's mother. The Vault Dweller is the canonical grandfather. |
| 209 | [[/folder]] |
| 210 | |
| 211 | [[folder: Who Dropped The Bomb]] |
| 212 | * Why is there any ambiguity about who dropped the first bomb? All sources point to the US waging a wildly successful campaign across mainland China after pushing the communists out of Alaska. Just given the information that can be gleaned about the war (such as US troops fighting as deep into China as the Gobi Desert), it's almost impossible to conceive that anyone but the Chinese could have dropped the first nuclear bomb out of desperation (Why would the US drop any nukes when we were winning conventionally?). Yet any discussion about the incident IRL always maintains an ambiguity about who exactly started the nuclear phase. |
| 213 | ** Not necessarily that simple. If the US thought the war would turn nuclear (and they had T-51b troops square-dancing in the territory of a nuclear power), they may have wanted to use a first strike to shut down Chinese nuclear capability and failed horribly. In addition, don't forget that all the reports of the US Army's great success in the Chinese campaign were from unreliable news sources under government control. They could well have been under a counter offensive, being spread thin and fighting against people who knew the area (see also: every guerilla war, ever). |
| 214 | ** Possibly, but information that can be inferred tends to suggest that the war was well in the US' favor. We know that there was a campaign in the Gobi Desert, well beyond Beijing and the Chinese heartland (possibly a move to encircle Chinese forces). The Yangtze Campaign was apparently successful and it otherwise makes sense that the US was winning. After all, the loss of the military forces required to invade and wage a campaign in Alaska would be a major blow to any military. The idea that the US launched a preemptive nuclear strike is possible, but not exactly in keeping with the apparent suddenness of the nuclear attacks on the US. It would also explain the presence of crashed Chinese aircraft on the east coast of the US since any bombers and their escorts would have been well under way in advance of the first actual nuclear detonation. Possible counterattack and guerrilla warfare are poor justifications for a nuclear strike (though the pre-war US was hardly rational) and again goes against the image of near-at-hand victory that completely neutral sources imply. |
| 215 | ** I refer you to [=MacArthur=] and his sacking for his coup de president during the Korean War. The ''Fallout'' universe seems to be filled with American [=MacArthurs=] and Pattons who will make disastrous political choices to gain a military advantage. |
| 216 | ** [=MacArthur=] wasn't sacked just for wanting to make a dangerous political decision; he wanted to use nuclear weapons because the Chinese were flooding the Korean peninsula and UN troops were rapidly losing the ground they had just taken from the North Koreans. [=MacArthur=] faced a complete reversal of the situation the US military faced in China -- China, in this case, would be the ones contemplating nuclear warfare to stop the American advance. |
| 217 | ** To avoid assigning blame to any particular country. It's not relevant to gameplay, and would just offend citizens of whatever country they point the finger at. Also, to illustrate the futility of nuclear war: it doesn't matter who starts the war, everyone loses. Franchise/TheMatrix is another example. NoOneKnowsWhoFiredFirst could be a UsefulNotes/ColdWar trope. |
| 218 | ** bad example. canonically, in the machine war the humans struck first, second, third,fourth,fifth and sixth AND destroyed the biosphere themselves when they were loosing a war they started. |
| 219 | ** I, for one, think it was the French. |
| 220 | ** I agree with your basic analysis that it was ''probably'' China... but that's from the super-informed view of we godlike beings who have 'been' the Vault Dweller, the Chosen One, the Lone Wanderer and the Courier. From the point of view of the typical inhabitant of the American wastes, ''both sides can burn in Hell.'' |
| 221 | ** Basically this. Sure, all in-game evidence compiled over several games' worth of information points to the Chinese firing first, but it honestly doesn't matter because the nuclear war resulted in a [[AfterTheEnd post-apocalypse]] where ''everyone'' suffers as a result of the Chinese and American actions. |
| 222 | ** In ''Fallout 2'', you can restore an AI called Skynet, who becomes a companion. It's implied in the game it started the war, by launching the US nuclear arsenal at targets around the world. This is a reference to the ''Terminator'' films. |
| 223 | ** on the side, this may or may nto be cannon, given that Skynet admitted its info wasnt completely reliable, and may have been outright messing with the chosen one |
| 224 | ** to be fair, given what we've seen of the puppy-kicking actions of the pre-war government/ their survivors, its just as likely they Dropped the first bomb/launched the first missile themselves. for all we know, the Red Chinese could have been the war's "good guys". if anything, it'd be hard to be worse then the enclave >.< |
| 225 | [[/folder]] |
| 226 | |
| 227 | [[folder:Arroyo's primitive state, lack of GECK]] |
| 228 | * Just how did the inhabitants of Vault 13, all of them well-educated and intelligent, with modern technology available, degenerate into a bunch of near-stone-age primitives in the eighty years after they followed the Vault Dweller to the wastes and founded Arroyo? And more to the point, why didn't any of them decide to take GECK along with them, even though a lot of them probably knew it was kind of an important thing? |
| 229 | ** Part of this is literally AllThereInTheManual for VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}, as the Vault Dweller tells the story about the small group who left Vault 13. The inferred story is that the group left after hearing the Vault Dweller's exploits, but were not able to convince the Overseer to give them a GECK as the Vault remained sealed afterwards until the events of ''Fallout 2''. What knowledge this small group had was not applicable to the Wasteland, and the Vault Dweller had to teach them how to survive using the skills he picked up. As for why their technology wasn't kept up, time simply wore away at their tools and equipment, as the Pipboy had demonstrated in the above entry. |
| 230 | ** Challenge yourself! Wander out into the nearest wilderness area! Bring as much stuff as you can carry! If you come back before eighty years are up, you lose. (I'm assuming that you are now reading this eighty years in the future: How'd you do?) |
| 231 | ** Vault 13 was never intended to have a GECK to begin with because it wasn't intended to be unsealed in a timely manner, so the Overseerer could have easily just thrown it in a corner and everyone forgotten about it. |
| 232 | [[/folder]] |
| 233 | |
| 234 | [[folder:Availability Of Goods]] |
| 235 | * The selection of goods available in the ''Fallout'' universe strains credulity. 200 years after nuclear war, society doesn't have indoor plumbing and barely has electricity, but fantastic biotechnology (stimpaks, Rad-X, Rad Away) is lying around everywhere. Post-war consumer goods don't exist, but ammo presses and a massive arsenal of guns do. I'm sure this is a social commentary on the twisted priorities of a warlike people, but come on, shouldn't the year 2277 at least have toilet paper? |
| 236 | ** Considering how many pre-war books are lying around, could anybody make any caps selling toilet paper? |
| 237 | ** Also consider the postwar social structure. With a very few, lowly populated exceptions seen in the games, the overwhelming majority of the population is almost certainly nomadic, for the simple reason that in a lot of places, the ground isn't too productive again yet (particularly on the East Coast), and so finding food enough to settle down is rare outside of, again, a few lowly populated exceptions (although that's increasingly changing on the West Coast). If you can't settle down and live in one place, you can't really begin rebuilding industry. Its worth noting that, as of ''New Vegas'', the West Coast seems to be well on the way to rebuilding basic infrastructure and settled-in-one-place non-migratory civilization; we just spend all our time in the hinterlands where, aside from the prewar ruins, things are largely still tribal and dotted with "towns" just barely big enough to feed themselves, let alone start large-scale crafting. |
| 238 | [[/folder]] |
| 239 | |
| 240 | [[folder:Why is the GECK so necessary?]] |
| 241 | * In ''Fallout 3'', after you get your house, your Mr. Gutsy robot can provide you with 5 bottles of purified water every week. Purified, radiation-free water. Now, even though that isn't a large amount, doesn't that mean that Mr. Gutsys are basically equipped with technology that does the same thing the GECK does? Couldn't someone with some scientific proficiency create a water purifier using a few of these guys? |
| 242 | ** Five bottles a week is impressive, but its not enough for an entire settlement. Combined with repair costs to keep them running being presumably high and being more for combat, it's likely that it's a modification added by Moira/one of Burke's contacts. |
| 243 | ** On a wider note, I too question why the GECK was necessary (except as an excuse to shoehorn another ''Fallout 2'' reference in.) Wouldn't a trip to, say, the County Water Reservoir in search of ''water-purification-related'' technology be a better idea than "We need a glob of pure {{Phlebotinum}}!"? |
| 244 | ** It's not about the purification; a little bit of charcoal can do that. It's about doing '''large-scale''' purification in a giant basin of water. Yeah, five bottles a week is cool, but technology doesn't necessarily scale linearly. We can build a cool robot toy that can walk and throw baseballs, yet we can't build a Godzilla sized robot that can walk and throw boulders. |
| 245 | ** They're also Mr. Handys, not Gutsys. |
| 246 | [[/folder]] |
| 247 | |
| 248 | [[folder:"X is an OK place to live" RunningGag]] |
| 249 | * Where'd it come from? I've been looking for a while but no luck. |
| 250 | ** Best I can tell, it originated on Website/ThisVeryWiki. |
| 251 | ** Compare the noun-verbingly popular ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' series. |
| 252 | [[/folder]] |
| 253 | |
| 254 | [[folder:Voice Actor Mystery]] |
| 255 | * In all ''Fallout'' games, there was a distinct narrator for the intros / endings. Who is that person? Is he in game? |
| 256 | ** It's Ron Perlman, he did play another character in the first ''Fallout'', but has since just done the opening and ending narrations. |
| 257 | [[/folder]] |
| 258 | |
| 259 | [[folder:Frank Horrigan's Maxed SPECIAL stats]] |
| 260 | * is him having a INT of 10 just gameplay and story segregation, or was there something i missed/ forgot that explained his enhanced intelligence. from memory he was dumb muscle as a human SS agent who was mainly kept on due to being loyal but barely smart enough to do his job, and the neurological damage from the FEV infection impaired his mental faculties even worse... i mean, given the Enclave scientists/doctors are implied ot have spent years cutting him up on the table i have no problem beleiveing that most of his brain could be cybernetics by now or something, just... |
| 261 | ** Character SPECIAL stats are just GameplayAndStorySegregation for the purpose of calculating damages and the like. In ''New Vegas'' Caesar has an Intelligence score of 4 despite being obviously very smart. |
| 262 | ** Besides, Caesar has [[spoiler: a fatal brain tumor]], [[FridgeBrilliance which could explain why his Intelligence and Charisma are so low in terms of gameplay]]. |
| 263 | ** On the other hand, Frank has managed to continue existing in the employ of the Enclave despite their genocidal hatred towards people infinitely less mutated than he is, and has enough sense to not give pesky meddling Player Characters enough time to talk him into giving up, as final bosses in Fallout are often wont to do. So whatever is rattling around in Frank's armored noggin seems to be serving him well. |
| 264 | [[/folder]] |
| 265 | |
| 266 | [[folder: New Pip-Boys]] |
| 267 | * It is kind of explained that Vault Tec had produced several versions of the Pip-Boy and never bothered to distribute them properly, sometimes supplying newer, sometimes older versions, presumably just for the lulz, in quantities that are apparenly enough for many generations of vault inhabitants. Obviously the development of Pip-Boys stopped after the war, but just how many versions have they made that newer and newer ones keep popping up in every game? |
| 268 | ** Well so far we've seen five in the canon games, seven if you count the canceled VideoGame/FalloutVanBuren. There was the PIP-boy 1.0, a massive and stupidly impractical wrist mounted device. In ''1'' and ''2'' there was the PIP-Boy 2000 (tablet-style) and the 2000+ (wrist mounted version). In ''3'' and ''New Vegas'' there were the wrist mounted PIP-Boy 3000. ''4'' had the upgraded 3000 MK IV. In ''Van Buren'' the [[PlayerCharacter the Prisoner]] had the Lil' PIP 3000 (sorta like a scaled down model) and [[BigBad Victor Presper]] had the Super PIP-Boy, a super high end model with features no other ones have. |
| 269 | [[/folder]] |
| 270 | |
| 271 | [[folder: Cultural stagnation]] |
| 272 | * I get that technology stagnated (or diverged) due to the lack of the transistor, but what caused culture to become stagnated and stuck in the 50s? I can't find an answer in the wikia. |
| 273 | ** Can't remember where I read that one, but I'm pretty sure that culturally wise, the pre-war future of USA was supposed to represent what people back in the 50s thought the world would look like. Of course, everyone gets to think about technology when they think of the future, and not culture [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpq5ZmANp0k]]. Just as today, when we hear "the future", we imagine stuff like putting our hands through screens of our computers and flying cars, and we don't think that we might as well bring goth net shirts back into being fashionable or create a new genre of music that focuses on sampling dial-up sounds. |
| 274 | ** Probably the fact that war and the militaristic culture was never really culturally rejected by ''Fallout'' universe Americans. While Hippies and the Peace movement did exist in the FO universe, its clear that they never got anywhere near the traction it did in real life and it is implied that Nixon was never impeached. This led to the embrace of traditional American authoritarian values with nothing to question them, and thus -- cultural stagnation.[[/folder]] |
| 275 | |
| 276 | [[folder: The possible return of nuclear weapons]] |
| 277 | * This is more hypothetical than anything else but I'm curious how the writers of ''Fallout'' plan to handle the issue of a strong military force attaining nuclear weapons in future games. To be blunt, in light of the NCR's success in the West Coast and the Eastern Brotherhood of Steel bringing steady progress to the East Coast, civilization is going to return at some point in the future. What I'm wondering is how are these groups going to treat nuclear weapons when the option of attaining one presents itself? Not only are there a number of nuclear weapons left over from before the war (The Divide, Megaton, etc.) but eventually these factions will learn how to weaponize nuclear material like their ancestors did and create new ones. Do you think the cultural stigma surrounding nuclear weapons, after they ravaged the planet, will make it socially unacceptable for civilians to accept the presence of nuclear weapons in a military arsenal? Or do you think they're doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past and use nuclear weapons in warfare again? |
| 278 | ** [[TagLine War never changes.]] To quote a character from another series, "Any who want victory will find some reason their cause merits exception." So yes, not only will nuclear weapons inevitably be deployed if the NCR and the Brotherhood ever become large enough to come to serious blows, they will make excuses for why it's ok when they do it when it was wrong for the U.S. and China to do it. In fact, it's not even a hypothetical, because the Brotherhood deploys Liberty Prime in ''VideoGame/FallOut4'', which is armed with nuclear warheads that it chucks like footballs. |
| 279 | [[/folder]] |
| 280 | |
| 281 | [[folder: Musical Stasis]] |
| 282 | * The series is meant to have a 1950s vibe to it, but are we seriously meant to believe that nobody made new music between the 1950s and 2077? No songs from the Beatles, Black Sabbath, Michael Jackson, or their ''Fallout'' equivalents? Sure, we got Slipknot and other modern rock bands in ''VideoGame/FalloutBrotherhoodOfSteel'', but... [[FanonDiscontinuity nobody likes to talk about that game]]. |
| 283 | ** Well the real answer has to do with royalty fees. Even though Zenimax Stuidos and Bethesda are major companies who have produced/published very popular games, licensing music for video games isn't a cheap affair. Plus you get into the issue of speculation of cultural progression. Who will really know what sort of music will be trendy in the year 2077? It's easier to just go for a select few songs to set a mood and stick with that. |
| 284 | ** Also worth noting, other music did exist. When you ask Three Dog why the variety of music is so poor, he tells the Lone Wanderer that the music that he plays over the radio is literally the only music that survived the wear and tear of the ages. There were other songs he tried to make work but they were broken beyond repair. So you can simply handwave that the music you hear over the radio in the games isn't representative of all that existed between the 1950s and 2070s, but rather that's all that remains from that time period. Though of course this gets into fridge logic territory when you realize that Holotapes have enough data capacity on them to record the entire Library of Congress if need be, so why can't couldn't they store music on those? |
| 285 | ** Most holotapes were actually quite small. Presumably the media archives type holotape was quite rare. Even if it was common, it wouldn't necessarily be useful to put all music on it. These days we can sell music digitally but you don't sell a complete media library with thousands of songs to the general public and selling a holotape with thousands of songs would the equivalent of doing so. Also, since the technology doesn't seem to allow you to just skip to a song, it would be inconvenient for the buyer. It would only really work if they'd actually wanted to preserve all music and so created a project specifically to do so. However, in terms of priorities for a nuclear holocaust, that's a small one (and even if it happened, it's probably just sitting it a vault somewhere waiting to be found). As to the question of why only 50s music seems to survive, I'd speculate that maybe there was a resurgence in popularity of 1950s culture in the 2070s. Given the depressing state of the modern world, the 1950s would probably be seen as an idylic time in US history with victory in World War II fresh in the nation's history, familiar enemies and a hopeful economic outlook. |
| 286 | ** Music media in the real '40s and '50s was generally on records (first shellac, then the less easily broken vinyl). If stored well, vinyl records could last a very long time. Shellac records would also last an exceedingly long time in storage. The main issues in unmaintained storage would be warping (for vinyl) or breaking due to vibrations from a bomb or earthquake or whatever (for shellac) - both of which could be fixed at least well enough to make a new recording from them by someone dedicated enough. It's possible that later music media formats were just more easily damaged by time and/or radiation. They presumably still exist (since prewar holotapes can be found that work fine), but there may simply be significantly more records that survived well enough to be played. |
| 287 | [[/folder]] |
| 288 | |
| 289 | [[folder: Brotherhood population]] |
| 290 | * The entire Brotherhood of Steel (aside from the chapters who recruit) is descended from an army platoon and their families but how did they get such a large population without becoming massively inbred, just how many members do army platoons usually have? |
| 291 | ** They likely engaged in some limited recruitment at first, at least taking on outside families who weren't part of the Brotherhood per-say. After a few hundred years though they became increasingly isolationist, probably because they now ''had'' a viable population and had other powerful factions staring enviously at their tech. |
| 292 | ** It wasn't a Platoon, it was a Company which is defined as being commanded by a Captain and having roughly 100 people. The base also had housing for the families of the military personnel so that makes roughly 200-300 people, before the casualties they took on the way to Lost Hills. |
| 293 | ** After looking into this, it's more it's likely that the original army unit was a battalion which usually consist between 100-1,000 men as it was lead by colonel Robert Spindel before he killed himself, and in the real life military colonels lead either battalions or regiments depending on their exact rank. So this number combined with their families should provide a decent founding population. |
| 294 | [[/folder]] |
| 295 | |
| 296 | [[folder: Climate change in pre-war]] |
| 297 | * Since the pre-war USA never really phased out of using fossil fuels for the most part, what was the state of the climate? Surely in a world where corporations worked under unchecked capitalism, abysmal health and safety standards, widespread resource wars, and carelessly dumped nuclear waste, how did they even manage to make to 2077? |
| 298 | ** The series works on 50's science, where climate change doesn't exist. So you can probably safely ignore that. But if that doesn't satisfy you, remember that unchecked climate change will kill millions... which, if you're a predatory capitalist who only cares about the bottom line, is kind of a "meh" result. Climate change is horrible and needs to be reversed as fast as possible, but it is not by itself an existential threat to the species. The bigger threat is the resulting food shortages causing wars over resources, at which point the world superpowers start nuking each other. |
| 299 | |
| 300 | [[/folder]] |
| 301 | |
| 302 | [[folder: The Possible extinction of the North American Continent]] |
| 303 | * As we all pay attention to the lore and townships of the nasty war that reduced everything to literal cinders, one hard to avoid question keeps nagging in the back of our heads: What's the USA's and it annexed territories consensus like? Because if we took factors like traitorous-Raiders, Deathclaws, Super Mutants and Feral Ghouls and other likes that prey on surviving Humanity. Will there really be a humanity after the NEXT 200 years? recolonization of the States is not going to be easy if you have a 1 in 8 chance of surviving, DAILY. |
| 304 | ** The NCR, at least, has reached a pre-War tech level. They can manufacture new things in their heartland. We just don't notice because we only explore the fringes of their territory, where everything is still terrible. Humanity as whole is going to survive. |
| 305 | |
| 306 | [[/folder]] |
| 307 | |
| 308 | [[folder: Why doesn't Vault Dweller settle in any of the towns?]] |
| 309 | * By the end of the game VD is pretty inevitably a OneManArmy clad in power armor, armed with the best weapons one could find in the Wasteland, and rolling in caps. And, more likely than not, you're also the lauded hero of Shady Sands, Junktown and Boneyard. You'd think all the towns would fight for the privilege of having you as their protector or even leader. So how come the best you manage for yourself is a meager village in the middle of nowhere that devolves into savagery in a generation? Would the Brotherhood of Steel not be interested in you as a permanent member? |
| 310 | [[/folder]] |
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