| 1 | '''As a Headscratchers subpage, all spoilers are unmarked as per policy. Administrivia/YouHaveBeenWarned.''' |
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| 4 | !!Recommissioning |
| 5 | * The KND Recommissioning Module was powered by Numbuh Zero's booger, and Numbuh 86 says that she fixed it herself. So how can people disprove the existence of Numbuh Zero when his DNA example is sitting right there? |
| 6 | ** [[WildMassGuessing Maybe no one thought his booger powered the Recommissioning Module. Everyone probably thought it was some other operative's booger.]] |
| 7 | *** This. Just because it's a KND operative's booger, it doesn't prove the "myth" that Numbah Zero was real. Besides that, he's been decommissioned, thus he can't be checked by the Code Module. |
| 8 | !!Evil Teens? |
| 9 | * Maybe the teens aren't so "evil" after all. Think about it -- your entire childhood has been consumed by fighting adversaries. Then it's taken from you. Then you're given a chance to fight adversaries again -- the same ones that took everything you lived for during your childhood away from you. What ''else'' are they gonna do? |
| 10 | ** Except most of them ''don't remember'' ever being in the KND. |
| 11 | ** Actually, this is presumably the ''reason'' teens are decommissioned, it's an exaggerated version of the TeensAreMonsters tropes. If the teens were allowed to keep their knowledge once hormones and personality changes start wrecking them, the KND wouldn't be around for long. |
| 12 | *** For example, Cree (Numbuh Five's older sister) and Chad are both former KND members who were never decommissioned. They are also both very active threats to the KND. |
| 13 | !!TheFaceless until further notice? |
| 14 | * Why why why, Delilah, in that episode where Numbuh 1's dad first appeared, was his face not seen until about halfway through the episode, and then from that point always seen? |
| 15 | ** [[Main/WordOfGod According to Mr. Warburton himself,]] he prefers not to reveal one of the parent's faces until there's a "personal/emotional" moment. Best seen in "Operation: M.I.S.S.I.O.N.": when Numbuh Four's dad is hanging out with his bowling buds, his face is fully visible, but when Numbuh Four shows up to talk with him, we only see him below the neck. |
| 16 | !!Baldness and the NoodleIncident |
| 17 | * How did the Delightful Children make Nigel COMPLETELY AND PERMANENTLY bald? Did they BURN OFF his hair follicles with acid or something? Furthermore, WHY? |
| 18 | ** What's any of this about? Nigel's ''dad'' gave him a haircut so bad that he had to go to the barber's, didn't he? |
| 19 | *** Operation F.O.U.N.T.A.I.N. explicitly states differently. |
| 20 | ---> '''Numbuh One:''' They made me bald. |
| 21 | ** Science works very, very different than in the KND universe compared to real life. |
| 22 | !!Decommissioning Time! |
| 23 | * If the decommissioning squad is a multi-man task force, what's keeping the KND from capturing and taking in Cree Lincoln? Numbuh Five threatens this to her in "Operation: M.A.U.R.I.C.E.", but nothing comes of it. |
| 24 | ** The same reason the KND haven't done just that to their parents. Even as mortal enemies they're still family. |
| 25 | ** That and Cree has shown herself to be quite capable of dealing with multiple KND operatives on her own. Trying to capture her on her turf would probably not be worth it in the end. |
| 26 | ** Not only that (though Cree's a dangerous-enough fighter for that to play a big part too), but the KND relies on TheMasquerade. If push comes to shove, Cree could blow everything by revealing the KND to the whole world. And whereas Father would never do something like that because he depends on the status quo too, Cree's a wild enough card that she might do it just out of spite. |
| 27 | *** If that's so, what's stopping Cree from making such a reveal earlier? |
| 28 | *** Because unless she's got nothing to lose, TheMasquerade also works to her advantage. |
| 29 | ** According to WordOfGod, they actually have tried several times. Every single time, however, Cree beat the crud out of them and sent them running with their tails between their legs and wedgies worse than Jerry Rassic's. |
| 30 | !!The Ambiguousness that is Mr. Wink and Mr. Fibb |
| 31 | * What the hell is Mr. Wink and Mr. Fibb's deal? I know they're supposed to be parodies of Mr. Wint and Mr. Kidd from James Bond, but it doesn't explain their robot sofas and their being half walrus/buffalo. |
| 32 | ** Well, the Kenny and the Chimp pilot revealed that Professor XXXL gets his bizarre animal traits (a crab-claw at the time) as parts of "sooper top-secret experiments." Is it possible Mr. Wink and Mr. Fibb had a freak accident in a couch-buffalo-walrus-related experiment? |
| 33 | *** He must have fallen on the couch-buffalo-walrus [[Manga/RanmaOneHalf cursed spring]]. |
| 34 | *** I always thought that in the beginning, they were planning on basing all the bad guys on animals. Doctor Triple Extra-Large was gonna stay a lobster, Wink and Fibb were a walrus and buffalo, and there was that old lady with the tail in the episode about the zoo, and I've seen concept art of Chester as a moose, Hence the moosicles episode. |
| 35 | ** Robot chairs are probably some accidental ad-lib over their first appearance, where they work as lifeguards(or something alike) and use armchairs as a supergiant robot weapon of sorts. The walrus and buffalo motif... you got me. I think the above explains it quite better. |
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| 37 | * Alright, let me rephrase the above question: What's their kid-hating theme supposed to be? Knightbrace is a mean dentist, Count Spankulot spanks kids, Stickybeard steals candy... The only things I've seen them do by themselves were wrecking a playground and keeping kids out of the pool. What the hell does that have to do with commanding robot sofas and having tusks? |
| 38 | ** I always thought of them as cranky weird neighbors. Or something. They're so a gay couple, by the way. |
| 39 | *** Actually, at this point they might be more of an [[TheArtifact artifact]] than anything. |
| 40 | ** Being the only villains without a quirky theme is a theme, too. |
| 41 | ** Combining the above theories, giving all the antagonists animal features was probably an [[TheArtifact artifact]] that started with Prof. XXXL but never really extended beyond characters introduced in the first season. |
| 42 | !!How does delighfulization work? (1) |
| 43 | * Do the Delightful Children have a hive mind? In Operation U.N.D.E.R.C.O.V.E.R, when Lenny rejoins them you can hear weird sounds that suggest he's fusing with them. And when he puts his football helmet back on, it GROWS from behind his head. My main question is, what did the delightfulization do to them? |
| 44 | !!Does he become president? |
| 45 | * Operation W.H.I.T.E.H.O.U.S.E. Nigel awakens in a hypothetical future where he's president of the United States, and his friends don't remember being KND members despite Nigel knowing that they were. I don't understand this episode at all, it's so confusing. |
| 46 | ** That's what you found wrong with it? The entire premise is ridiculous: Nigel is not a natural-born citizen, and thus could never be President of the United States. Leaving that problem aside, there's a solution to the anti-kid bill staring him in the face: veto the bill! Nobody can force the President to sign anything. |
| 47 | ** Yes, nobody can force the president to sign anything, and a kid born in England can't be president. But would an adult-hating kid know that offhand, or about vetoing in the first place? Also, it was a KND LotusEaterMachine that created the world he perceived, and it wasn't the first time. |
| 48 | ** They don't remember because they were decommissioned, but Nigel's mind is moved to his future body so he remembers the KND but not being elected president, etc. He also didn't know about vetoing because he (as a kid) wasn't the best student and didn't remember learning about it. The others' plan is illogical, but I assume that the future him would have normally signed it. |
| 49 | *** This episode was a test of Nigel's character. the Galactic KND (or some other higher-order KND group) put him in the scenario to see how he'd do. Imagine: you wake up an adult, all your friends are adults, nobody remembers anything but Abby - and she's been locked away BY YOU apparently, and everyone is pushing you to sign a bill that voids all rights for kids. If the episode screwed with your head realize what Nigel felt was much worse, but he didn't crack under the pressure and didn't sign the bill. They wanted to see: would he sell out his beliefs because his friends did? could he be convinced that what he remembered wasn't real and that this new messed-up reality was the way things should be? would he betray every kid on earth if the stakes were high enough? The part where he says "He gets it" and stands up to the barrage and survives is because he realizes it's a simulation and the fact he almost figured it out the GKND decided not to put him through any more of those simulations. This wasn't the first time they tested him, but there's no indication of which (if any)other episodes were tests. |
| 50 | !!The Amish Branch |
| 51 | * Why the HELL is there an Amish branch in the Kids Next Door? What is the point of having an old-fashioned, PACIFIST branch in an otherwise military organization? |
| 52 | ** [[RuleOfFunny It's funny]]. Also, the KND fight for the rights of ''all'' children, which includes those poor Amish kids. |
| 53 | ** Plus, diplomacy is needed in any military organization. |
| 54 | ** BambooTechnology might be a loophole for the Amish. |
| 55 | *** Yup, two-by-four technology would still be okay for most sects of Amish. They'd probably be better at it, too. |
| 56 | ** Maybe they serve as the KND Witness Protection Program. They did it for Numbuh Two. |
| 57 | ** Two reasons come to mind. 1) The above that he KND protect the rights of ALL children. It probably helps to have kids whose natural lifestyle is based around labor and farming with specific traditions who are otherwise happy. To have a measuring stick against which to compare a normal if not somewhat unconventional farm life to something like, say, children being forced into hard labor by adults. 2) Even a military will have non-combatant support units that take care of supplies acquisition, medicine, and other such things. Maybe the Amish KND are the ones who provide food supplies to places like the moon base or arctic research stations so that they'll always have a few supply lines that can't be compromised by adults so easily. And a technology-free zone would be pretty handy for any operative needing a place to lay low if needing to hide from a particularly nasty adult or some other danger. |
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| 59 | !!Where did Mr. Gilligan go? |
| 60 | * WTF happened to Hoagie's dad? |
| 61 | ** Guy hated being in the crossfire between kids and adults, and after one of his sons showed interest in the KND, he decided to set out with a select few people to create an isolated paradise where kids and adults could live in harmony. Of course, he had to abandon his family in the process, which means Hoagie and Tommy probably have a few choice words for him when they run into him again. Nah, I dunno. |
| 62 | ** What happens to any parental character who is mentioned but never seen. He died of "Generic Terminal Plot Disease". |
| 63 | ** You didn't know? He's dead. That was revealed in "Operation: C.A.K.E.D.-F.O.U.R." See the "Wild Mass Guessing" page for some interesting theories on how he died. |
| 64 | ** Are we explicitly told [in "Operation: C.A.K.E.D.-F.O.U.R."] that he's dead? Just curious. |
| 65 | *** Actually, it's implied that he's still alive, considering that his wife spoke about him in the present tense ( "You should know better than to believe everything your father says."). When asked, Warburton said he's either on a "business trip or nobody knows". |
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| 67 | !!Hanging out in the treehouse |
| 68 | * How do they get away with hanging out in a treehouse for days on end? |
| 69 | ** It's only in their backyards! |
| 70 | ** AdultsAreUseless and [[ParentalObliviousness parents are oblivious]]. |
| 71 | ** See the show's WildMassGuessing entry. |
| 72 | ** Half of the time the kids are at school. Yet, because some missions are top-priority they ditch school. After school is done or it's the weekends they're free to do whatever. The parents don't stop their kids from going because to them it's just a silly treehouse (example, Numbah 1's dad), plus they have a "no adults allowed" rule. Parents that try to stop their kids from entering the treehouse may just be met with rebellious behavior. It's for the same reason why most parents allow their children to hang out with friends. |
| 73 | *** The way I took it is that, in most of the episode, it's during the summer or seasonal breaks and so their parents wouldn't mind them having sleepovers. |
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| 75 | !!Accent Permanence? |
| 76 | * If Nigel only lived in England for like 3 years, why does his voice STINK of British? Unless he only talked to his parents through early childhood you'd think the accent would have at least partially left him by now. (Yeah I know, stupid thing to pick at, but it does bother me.) |
| 77 | ** Maybe he just liked the accent and learned how to speak with it deliberately. |
| 78 | *** This seems likely as his accent is nowhere near genuine. He still pronounces "adults" the American way, for example. |
| 79 | ** He's a parody of Captain Picard, you got to have a British accent for the effect. |
| 80 | *** The interesting thing about all of this is that his voice actor, Benjamin Diskin, is [[FakeBrit nowhere near British.]] |
| 81 | ** Probably the same reason [[WesternAnimation/DextersLaboratory Dexter]] has a Russian accent |
| 82 | *** Actually, there's two ways to explain this: 1) His father, Monty, speaks with this sort of accent, so Nigel would speak with similar intonations or, 2), you kind of gain some of your accent before you're born and three years to develop an accent or some parts thereof is rather typical. |
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| 84 | !!The Deal with the B-Day Cake |
| 85 | * Why do the Delightful Children always bother making it known to everyone that they have their birthday cake and are planning to eat it without sharing? Even if it's just to rub it in, broadcasting a video message about it to everyone will only make the Kids Next Door come after it. Why don't the Delightfuls ever just eat their cake first, possibly while taking video of them doing so for posterity, and ''then'' gloat about it to everyone? |
| 86 | ** Isn't the point of the videos and preemptive gloating to get the KND to try and take it? It'd hardly be fun for them if there wasn't a fight. |
| 87 | ** That'd interfere with their live performances. |
| 88 | ** Also, the Delightful Children are arrogant bastards. Probably literally. We never see Father's wife. And yes, I know that the Delightful Children are the long-lost "Sector Z". |
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| 90 | * On a related note, in "C.A.K.E.D.T.H.R.E.E." when the Delightful Children hijacked the tv stations so kids would have to watch them eat it, why didn't the kids simply turn off the TV? All they do is stare at it with tortured looks on their faces. |
| 91 | ** Kids can have a very profound case of FOMO. It's weird, I know. |
| 92 | !!We're all thinking it. |
| 93 | * This came up on another site and sorry if it is a bit much, but how in the heck do the Delightful Children go to the bathroom? |
| 94 | ** The final episode remarked that too when The Delightful Children fell in a toilet. My guess? They're courteous enough to not look. |
| 95 | ** Maybe they all separate and wait? Or maybe the guys separate from the girls? |
| 96 | ** Lenny proved that they can separate, they just don't most of the time. So they separate to go to the bathroom. |
| 97 | ** I never really thought it was much of a big deal since they're all essentially one person. Assuming each has a different going time, they probably use the toilet separately but use the bathroom together when cleaning themselves up. |
| 98 | *** Communal latrine? |
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| 100 | !!Telling the Delightful boys from the Delightful Girls? |
| 101 | * Are we supposed to know the gender of the helmeted Delightful Child? I don't know why but the question's been bugging me. |
| 102 | ** He's male. And named... ''Doug'' or something. |
| 103 | ** Lenny. [[http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/Clanker/Lenny/481d71fd.png Here's a picture of him with his helmet off]]. You can tell what gender the Delightful Children are by what clothes they wear. The boys wear suits, and the girls wear dresses. |
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| 105 | !!The Inverse of Childism |
| 106 | * What is the Galactic Kids Next Door? Is adultism ''really'' a disease? And what about the Matrix-esque plot in Operation: A.R.C.H.I.V.E? Maybe I'm thinking too much into this, but is a little closure too much to ask? |
| 107 | ** At the very end of Op INTERVIEWS, Abby mentions that they've deliberately misled Father. ''everything'' animated in that episode may be a lie designed to mislead him. If not everything, then at least the GKND. |
| 108 | *** Then why would she say "welcome back" at the end of the episode when Numbuh 1 called her? |
| 109 | ** Maybe it's just because I haven't seen the episode (but know enough about the series to know its weirdness) but why did Numbah 1's parents just let him leave? He's TEN. I would never let my ten-year-old leave. |
| 110 | ** Well, they ''are'' Ex-KND agents, but I'm not quite sure if that still justifies it or not... |
| 111 | ** According to WordOfGod, Nigel's story in ''Operation ARCHIVE'' is just another one of his wild conspiracy theories. That'd be a pretty big plot hole if that conspiracy wasn't true or at least, to an extent true. |
| 112 | *** It’s likely the stuff at the end is true. Babies come from the usual way in this universe, we see Geneki Sanban in a hospital room at the beginning of Operation: H.O.M.E. plus all the other episodes with babies at hospitals. |
| 113 | *** Are you sure he wasn't trolling? The teacher at the end called an OmniscientCouncilOfVagueness with his apple phone in disguise (probably the G: KND) and said that "they know". |
| 114 | *** Aw... and I was so hoping for a continuation! (It's one of my favorite episodes, you see.) |
| 115 | ** Maybe they were speaking metaphorically |
| 116 | ** It's most likely meant to be metaphorical, the way the Splinter Cell operative calls it a disease sounds way too bitter and heavy, he most likely meant it as a description of kids ''all over the universe'' having to fight tooth and nail against adult tyranny. |
| 117 | *** The "Stop the G:KND" promo shows that, no, they are ''not'' being metaphorical, since they've fully indoctrinated Numbuh 1 into their beliefs and want him to initiate a purge of Earth to rid it of adults, with both Chad ''and'' Numbuh Vine being appaled by it, the former begging Nigel to see reason, and the latter secretely contacting Numbuh's 3 and 4 to try and evacuate the Earth. They genuinely believe adulthood is a disease, and want to purge the universe of adults. |
| 118 | !!More on Evil Teens |
| 119 | * Why are teenagers treated as bad guys? I don't think this is just me as a teenager being subjective, because even as a kid this bugged me. I have never met a single teenager in all my life who can't wait to grow up, however, in KND it seems that teens will go to the great lengths of inventing machines to speed up the aging process. I get that a lot of kids have annoying older siblings, so they need to show teens as evil, but there was only one time in the entire show that a teen was seen as adult hating, and yet I think it's safe to say a lot more than one teen hates adults. It just bugs me is all. |
| 120 | ** Probably not ''all'' teenagers are members of the evil organization/gangs of teenagers that frequently antagonize the KND, just like all children in the world aren't members of the KND. I always assumed the term "the teenagers" referred to their group of teenage enemies, not all teenagers period. |
| 121 | ** All of the teenagers in "Operation: P.O.I.N.T." seem like pretty nice people, and the only trouble happened because Sector V antagonized them for no reason. |
| 122 | ** I'm surprised that the teenagers aren't also hostile to adults, honestly. A three-way faction war could be interesting. |
| 123 | ** I got it! The characters and world of Kids Next Door are supposed to be exaggerated versions of childhood, right? Adults can get teenagers to do or not to do things by promising them an award, like an allowance, car, later curfew, etc. So the evil adults are giving the teenagers an allowance to fight the KND! |
| 124 | ** If it's any condolence, in the later episodes of the series, unless there's a multiple-villain team-up, the BRA-augmented teens and the evil adults seem to be treated as their separate entities. There were no three-way faction wars or anything (sadly), but at least the teen ninjas were no longer Father's mooks. |
| 125 | ** I've always considered the teens as a sort of mercenaries who happen to work for the adults or at least some type of "out for their own interest" independents. As the above troper mentioned, they don't work for father in the later season. This is confirmed by "Operation: T.R.E.A.T.Y." where they are considered an entity separate from the adults in the treaty negotiations. It is possible in this case that the teenagers are just as much against the adults as the KND but still mistrusting the organization that tried to wipe away the memories of their childhood. |
| 126 | ** It's stated in-universe that not all adults are evil, the same can probably be said about Teens. |
| 127 | ** This is just WMG, but maybe the evil teens are so desperate to grow up because they can't see what's so great about being young. Why would that be? Because the best memories from their childhoods have been erased. Who but former KND operatives would be able to kick that much butt anyways? Normal teens are not ninjas. |
| 128 | ** I guess that, while the KND respond to adults' abuse by fighting back, the Teen Ninja respond by trying to prove themselves and earn the adults' respect. |
| 129 | *** To go with this, it's probably a reference to how teens commit acts to appear more adult in real life such as smoking when they seem like a bunch of tryhards and wannabes. It's possible that the teens here could be a reference to that. |
| 130 | ** Another thing to note is that the only adult who the teens seem to work for is Father. The only time I remember the Teen Ninjas appearing with the adult RoguesGallery was in "Z.E.R.O." and they (Cree and Chad) were treated more like security than actual members of the assembly. Remember Father also has children working for him such as The Interesting Twins From Beneath The Mountain, The Rowdy Hooligans From Across The Square, and President Jimmy. |
| 131 | ** Another thing to note is that for obvious reasons they do not use 2x4 technology. Most likely the adults supply them with equipment and tech. |
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| 133 | !!The Police don't exist here, lol |
| 134 | * One question: WHERE ARE THE F* CKING POLICE? After all the stuff going on, you think at least SOMEONE would've dialed 911! |
| 135 | ** The police are probably part of the adult conspiracy. It would explain why, for example, the local school doesn't do any background checks for supervillainy. |
| 136 | *** That also explains how the teenagers presented a threat for as long as they did. Cops hate teenagers, especially cybernetically enhanced teenagers with armored bicycles. |
| 137 | ** Nurse Claiborne ''did'' get fired from her school nursing job and blacklisted for what she did, so presumably, it was reported to ''someone''. It is possible that in-universe, the KND are seen as the authorities in this matter, as they do appear to be a legit organization to some degree and are better prepared to deal with supervillains like this. |
| 138 | *** The show has dealt with this ''both'' ways at various points. At least one villain (Count Spankulot) was sent to grown-up prison early in the series, but later episodes established that the villains are all kept in the KND super facility in Antarctica. |
| 139 | ** One should keep into account that in the KND Universe, most adults are either stupid or evil, it would only make sense if the police are that way as well. |
| 140 | *** And also could be taken into account the long heated debate among fans whether everything that appears on the show is diegetic (e.i. happens in the show's universe) or it's all in their heads as some sort exaggerated version of more mundane things filtered by kids' perception of reality. |
| 141 | !!The Numbering Scheme |
| 142 | * I admit I stopped watching the show a few seasons in, so it may have been answered, but why are the main five (who are just five random operatives) given the numbers of 1-5 while the higher-ups are assigned random numbers (eg. 86, 365, whatever)? |
| 143 | ** Perhaps they aren't assigned random numbers, and they ''do'' have operatives for nigh every number? They seem to be a worldwide thing, so I wouldn't be surprised... |
| 144 | ** Popular fan theory is that you pick your number when you join up. Presumably, the command staff just lumped 1-5 together because it felt right. |
| 145 | ** Not really, it's stated that 5 was in the Kids Next Door long before 1. Presumably assigning groups is either random or based on where you live. |
| 146 | *** "Operation: G.R.A.D.U.A.T.E.S." confirms that when an operative joins the KND, s/he chooses his/her number. |
| 147 | ** So, it's an incredible coincidence that Sector ''V'' has ''five'' operatives numbuh'd ''One-through-Five.'' |
| 148 | *** Exactly. |
| 149 | *** Not really, it's true you pick your number but we have seen all the other sectors having 5 consecutive numbered teams. Like Numbuh 13 is still in the same sector as 11, 12, 14, and 15. It would be easier to say that you CAN pick any number you want, it's just tradition to pick one for the sector you serve in. That's why all the high numbers and weird ones are all on the Moonbase and in Antarctica. |
| 150 | *** Also, considering they're assigned to the sector closer to where they live it's possible the operatives of each sector had known each other since before becoming operatives and just agreed to pick matching numbers. Alternatively, they could have met previously at training. |
| 151 | ** When the series started it was going to be one group of friends, one annoying family down the street, and a few mean older siblings. The reason the number system isn't so convenient for the higher numbers is that all those characters, along with the idea of a worldwide organization, came much later in the series. If it hadn't then Bradley wouldn't have become honorary Numbuh 6, he'd be sent to the training camp, and only the most elite operatives would have been positioned in sector V, cause it's right next to Father. |
| 152 | ** My hypotheses in respect to canon are, first, that Numbuh 1 to 5 were all friends from before KND, in one way or another. Additionally, they must be skilled/elite to be so close to Father and a five-man band is not uncommon. Thirdly, some may have taken either their parents' (or other family members') numbers or used puns (don't forget that Numbah Three's name is "Number Three"). Combine these (and other small things) and you get a relatively-skilled group of five friends with most of them filling the roles their loved ones used to. |
| 153 | ** But they were not all friends before joining the KND. Numbuh 5 joined first, then Numbuh 1. Numbuh 3 has been part of the group for a couple of years (she was shown signing up in a flashback during the episode where one of her rainbow monkey toys is falling apart and she gives the toy to an evil retirement home.) 5, 1, and 3 are confirmed to have some history together before the start of the series. |
| 154 | ** We don't see the exact moment Numbuh 2 or Numbuh 4 joined. Numbuh 4 is strongly implied to be the most recent addition: he does not know about the Moon Base in Season 1, the other kids don't know that he can't swim or that he's been to boarding schools before, even though both those subjects seem like they would either come up in friendly conversation (trips to the beach) or been noted during Wally's KND training (which was implied to NOT have taken place at the Arctic training base- see Prof XXXL's snow cone plot episode where Wally does not even own cold-weather gear, even though Numbuh 1 and Numbuh 2 both studied at the Arctic base, as shown by Nigel's flashback and Tommy's bragging about doing the same activity his brother Hoagie went through.) |
| 155 | ** Nigel in Operation: Z.E.R.O. mentions saving Wally from bullies on Wally's first day of school, but does not mention what grade they were in at the time. Of all of them, Wally is the most recent to move to America, and quite probably the last to join the KND and/or the last to form any friendship with the Sector V kids. |
| 156 | ** Only slightly off-topic, but there was an episode that featured one "Numbuh Eleventy-Six." Really? Most kids learn that "eleventy" is not a word by the time they are four. So how does someone (who's supposed to be smart -- a researcher of sorts) who's in at least the ''fifth grade,'' actually call herself that? |
| 157 | *** This is the show where a buhmillion is a real number. [[MST3KMantra It's not worth questioning that]]. |
| 158 | *** He's a fan of Bilbo/The Hobbit/ Lord Of The Rings. Before you say he's too young, you said he is supposed to be smart. also, I read LotR in 3rd grade. |
| 159 | *** Maybe you are given a number based on how skilled you are compared to the rest of the KND. Number 1 is the most skilled, Number 2 is the second, etc., etc. |
| 160 | ** During the episode where Tommy became a KND member, he got to pick his Numbah (which was Numbah T). |
| 161 | !!Reusing the numbers |
| 162 | * If the Kids Next Door has thousands of members and is at least over a hundred years old (as shown "Operation: C.A.K.E.D.-F.I.V.E.") why weren't all the low normal numbers like 1 through 5 or even 86 taken a long time ago? you'd think by now everybody would have to take code names like Numbuh 10985678 |
| 163 | ** Every time a member is decommissioned, their number opens for a new member to use. They won't get too high as long as the rates of decommissioning and recruiting remain stable. |
| 164 | !!Pretty strange kids, really.... |
| 165 | * The children. They all seem to be extremely exaggerated of childhood innocence. ''Everyone''. Everyone likes soda for example. No one seems to act like most kids in our world their age. |
| 166 | ** Well, at least Numbuh One dislikes the beach, unlike pretty much everybody else... |
| 167 | ** And Numbuh Two doesn't find spinach all that bad. The cast seems to show a good mixture of innocence and maturity sometimes. |
| 168 | *** A tie-in book confirmed that Numbuh 362 also likes spinach |
| 169 | ** I think there is little doubt the series is happening in anything close to "our world". ''Everything'' is exaggerated to epic proportions, including the Kid's attitudes. It's very much Cartoon-Land, and it doesn't even try to hide it. No wonder they don't act like children in the real world. |
| 170 | ** I don't think the kids' attitudes are that unrealistic (despite the show being fictional). They are somewhat exaggerated, but not to epic proportions. |
| 171 | ** Perhaps the kids' attitudes only seem exaggerated because they live in a world where kids have a lot more power than they do in our world. |
| 172 | |
| 173 | !!Becoming an Ally |
| 174 | * How exactly does a former KND operative become an ally of the adults? They don't even have any memories of being a part of the KND. |
| 175 | ** Decommissioned KND agents aren't guaranteed to be recruited. The main reason why Cree and Chad played such large roles is that they managed to defect before their memories were wiped, and you could argue that Maurice was purposely positioned to be recruited since he was acting as a DoubleAgent. |
| 176 | *** I figured that even though his memories were wiped, the teens would remember that he did have skills, and could use him as one of their own. Just because he supposedly didn't remember, doesn't mean that he couldn't still be a valuable ally to the Ninjas/ Adults. |
| 177 | *** Nope, they don't remember anything as we see when in Operation: E.N.D. Numbuh 2 doesn't remember he is good at calculations after he was decommissioned. (Numbuh 1: Numbuh 2! I need you to calculate our distance and thrust and tell us when to cast off. Numbuh 2: Uh, I can do that?) |
| 178 | *** Yeah, but forgetting complex math is a lot different than losing muscle memory. So decommissioned members would still be able to be ninjas with their physical skill with only a minimum amount of training. The body would remember their moves for them, they'd just have to roll with it. |
| 179 | |
| 180 | !!DIY Cyborgs |
| 181 | * [[FunWithAcronyms R.O.B.O.B.R.A.D.L.E.Y.]]. Seriously, 2×4 tech just was ''not'' meant for cybernetic upgrades. That is some ''serious'' BodyHorror inflicted on the resident RidiculouslyCuteCritter, and the fact that he [[AngstWhatAngst doesn't seem to mind]] is ''[[StepfordSmiler not helping]]''. |
| 182 | ** Who knows? Maybe Bradley really ''does'' like the whole "construction-scoop-for-a-hand" and the ability to shoot stinkrockets out of his posterior. |
| 183 | ** To be fair, he was hurt badly. Had the cybernetic upgrades not been applied, he likely wouldn't have survived. |
| 184 | *** Besides, it makes him look badass. |
| 185 | ** Also, the doctor outright said that there was nothing they could do for him. It was rather plain as day Bradley would've died without being upgraded. Look at what they had to do to him, replace an eye, one arm, almost an entire side of his chest, and a good chunk of his back and tail. He got hit by a big rig of memory serves, he was probably pretty messed up. If you thought that was BodyHorror, imagine what the poor little guy looked like before they rebuilt him. |
| 186 | |
| 187 | !!Shouldn't electricity show up in scans? |
| 188 | * In "Operation: T.H.E.-F.L.Y.", why doesn't Numbuh Two pick up that it's electronic when he scans it? It doesn't make any sense. |
| 189 | ** Sooper-advanced biotechnology. The Delightfuls have resources like that. |
| 190 | ** It's possible that the purpose of Numbuh Two's scan was only to copy and apply the fly's design to his invention, not to check if it was harmful. |
| 191 | |
| 192 | !!Trampoline bed |
| 193 | * In "Operation: T.H.E.-F.L.Y.", we see Numbuh One's bedroom as having a bed that doubles as a trampoline. HOWEVER, in further episodes, his bed is an overturned bulldozer, and I'm pretty sure it changed another time too. Why so many renovations, Nigel? |
| 194 | ** The trampoline turned out to be uncomfortable as hell for Nigel's back. So he had the ''brilliant'' idea to try a construction scoop instead! Of course, that was even worse, so he kept switching beds throughout his KND career. |
| 195 | !!These kids act younger than they're supposed to be |
| 196 | * Why can't any of the kids spell at all? Or know basic numbers? |
| 197 | ** In the case of counting, their numbers seem to simply be hyperbole, as many children, especially 10-year-olds, often do. As for spelling, I assume you mean the names of all their 2×4 tech; in that case, it's so the acronyms work. When it comes to ''actual'' spelling (like for homework) only Wally seems to be ''completely'' clueless. |
| 198 | ** I like to think that similarly to how children in real life abandon proper spelling and grammar for Instant Messaging and other informal messages, the KND kids most likely know how to write and speak properly (except for Numbuh four) but for operative-related reasons, they don't see a point in acting like they are still in school. |
| 199 | *** Yeah, plus Numbuh Four is said to be a BookDumb enough that his homework is poison to Weredogs. |
| 200 | *** Numbah Four is most likely just dyslexic. He is smart enough to get into Harvard, so presumably, everything works out fine once he gets diagnosed and treated for dyslexia. |
| 201 | *** Make sense, as he wasn't just getting into Harvard University, but the "Harvard Medical School" (a grad school, which means he already has a bachelor's degree before he can even able to apply for the school.) |
| 202 | |
| 203 | !!What ever did happen to the Delightful children? |
| 204 | * In "Operation: I.N.T.E.R.V.I.E.W.S.", are the Delightful Children... Dead? They were last seen being sucked into a toilet and then Numbuh Five had said it was their last encounter. |
| 205 | ** Considering "Operation: F.O.U.N.T.A.I.N." they suffered a DisneyVillainDeath and in ''WesternAnimation/OperationZERO'' they were ''launched into space'' in an escape pod, I'd say it'd take more than falling into a giant toilet to kill them. They probably ended up cold and shivering in a New Jersey sewer and were rescued by the Toilenator. |
| 206 | *** They were seen climbing back out in "F.O.U.N.T.A.I.N.", no attempt is made to show they survived "I.N.T.E.R.V.I.E.W.S.". Considering what happened to them, it might have put them out of their misery... |
| 207 | ** Perhaps with Father also seemingly falling to his DisneyVillainDeath, they stopped trying to destroy the KND because they thought he died (he turned out not to have but still). They seemed to only follow him because they were scared to death of them. Or perhaps the fall broke them out of their brainwashing? |
| 208 | ** This is a series where kids fall great distances without anything worse than some pain + maybe a few scratches/bruises (the 'Butt-buster' competition that regularly cracked pavement, as one example), otherwise been crushed under tremendously heavy stuff and other such things. Not being seen again and 'that was our last encounter' isn't necessarily proving that they are dead, not in such a series, where ''no one'' has been killed off. |
| 209 | ** "Yeah -- we told him everything he wanted to hear." ''Any'' parts of that entire story could have been made up to mislead Father. Maybe the KND finally found a way to cure Sector Z, but to protect them from Father, Numbers 2-5 were instructed to tell him they died in that chase. |
| 210 | |
| 211 | !!Wearing that helmet all the time |
| 212 | * How is Lenny wearing a football helmet at all times considered polite? I know it's braces that turn into a helmet, but sometimes it's considered "rude" to wear headgear all the time, especially at school or at the dinner table. (OK, this is more of a nitpick) |
| 213 | ** Makes him creepier. It might be kind of a way of making his character design as a {{Foil}} to Numbuh Two, who nearly always wears his aviator cap and goggles. |
| 214 | ** Exactly. Each of the Delightful Children are drawn as a foil to the kids in Sector V. |
| 215 | -->Tall, lanky, brunette boy with bangs -- Numbuh 4\ |
| 216 | Short, blonde boy -- Numbuh 1\ |
| 217 | Helmet boy -- Numbuh 2\ |
| 218 | The long-haired, blonde girl -- Numbuh 3\ |
| 219 | The short, heavy, pigtailed girl -- Numbuh 5 |
| 220 | *** Wouldn't it make more sense for |
| 221 | -->Helmet boy -- Numbuh 5\ |
| 222 | The short, heavy, pigtailed girl -- Numbuh 2 |
| 223 | *** They just flipped genders because Numbuh 5 wears a hat that conceals her face. And the girl is a female Numbuh 2. |
| 224 | *** I always thought that part of the idea behind the Delightfuls' appearance was that they are supposed to look either classic (the girls in their sailor dresses with cutesy hair) or preppy (the boys in their uniform-Esque suits). Lenny's football helmet alludes to the modern "football-playing-male-prep" stereotype. |
| 225 | |
| 226 | !!The Hamsters episode |
| 227 | * In "Operation: H.A.M.S.T.E.R.", the DCFDTL's cats attempt to attack the treehouse hamsters. The main hamsters dress the Numbuh 4 hamster in a dress, attempting to attract the cats. But... assuming all the cats match the genders of their owners, why is it the female cats fall for "her" as well? Other than say, Friday, [[EvenTheGuysWantHim Even the girls want "her"]], or RuleOfFunny. I guess they all share a HiveMind? |
| 228 | ** The DC's cats that correspond to the two girls seem to be male, [[TertiarySexualCharacteristics considering their haircuts are boyish,]] so I'd say all the DC's cats are toms. |
| 229 | *** An alternate explanation is that it's a furry reminder. Cats like things to chase and things that look like living cat toys are fave. |
| 230 | !!Where did these two go? |
| 231 | * What was with the two villains (the army husband and wife) that gave Numbuhs 2 through 5 "sailor" costumes in "Operation: C.A.N.N.O.N."? The both of them never appeared in the series again after that episode. |
| 232 | ** There's also the "Parent Teacher Organization of Eradicating Youngsters" (Members: The Principal, Mad Dad, Midwestern Mom, Heliteacher, Terrible Tutor) from "Operation: N.O.P.O.W.U.H." |
| 233 | ** They were all invented as throwaway villains, never meant to have their episodes. And they appear several more times in the series, though never with speaking roles; they're relegated to filling out group shots for big-huge-massive gatherings of villains. |
| 234 | ** The dude was in Creator/CartoonNetwork: PunchTimeExplosion |
| 235 | ** Midwestern Mom gets a NameDrop in Operation: I.T, when Numbuh One mentions they defeated her at a state coleslaw fair. |
| 236 | |
| 237 | !!Where did the Lasso Lass go? |
| 238 | * Whatever happened to Lasso Lass from "Operation: C.O.W.G.I.R.L.?" She was the first adult ally to appear in the series and was even a part of the backstory for Mr. Wink and Mr. Fibb (and will forever be the only thing we know about them). |
| 239 | ** Possibly just still hanging out in her treehouse. I doubt the KND would recruit her since she's far too old to be effective anymore. |
| 240 | *** Also, Lasso Lass appears still too hung up on the Misters Wink & Fibb, probably wouldn't pay much attention to anything that came after that. |
| 241 | ** Still, kind of a lost opportunity, considering a few times were recruiting her for aid would've been really useful (for example, when Father was turning every KND operative into animals). |
| 242 | *** Also, it's pretty interesting to wonder how teens that turned traitor without decommissioning would've turned out in that episode. (Heck, even characters like Cree, Chad, Maurice, and that one girl who betrayed the KND in Operation SLUMBER). |
| 243 | *** There were a lot of characters that would've been useful in that one |
| 244 | |
| 245 | !!Who was he going to ask out? |
| 246 | * In "Operation: F.U.T.U.R.E.", Old! Numbuh 4 is upset about never asking out someone. With the reveal at the end of the series, is that to say that he wanted to ask out someone that wasn't Numbuh 3? |
| 247 | ** Considering that was Numbuh 4 from what's now an alternate timeline, it could be anyone. |
| 248 | ** How does this make any sense at all? He's from a timeline when Madame Margaret TOOK OVER THE WORLD. Of course, he never got to ask out Numbuh 3, but now that the timeline was fixed, he could tell his younger self to make sure he does it, which he eventually does. |
| 249 | |
| 250 | !!Creating the Perfect Snowcone |
| 251 | * In his ''first appearance'', it's established that Professor Triple-Extra-Large only wants to create the perfect snow-cone. Why, in all subsequent appearances, is he considered an enemy of the KND? Considering how much everybody loves snow cones, wouldn't that be the kind of guy they'd ''want'' to succeed? |
| 252 | ** He probably hangs out with the Villains for the barbecues and bowling tournaments. |
| 253 | ** He seemed to be doing it more for science rather than for any benefit for kids. |
| 254 | ** Brain freeze, probably. That and he shows up where there's an evil villain behind the scenes. So with the mind of kids, it seems natural that the adult would know something; and if you don't actively stop the evil plans you must be helping the evil people. |
| 255 | ** Maybe her partakes in OffscreenVillainy? |
| 256 | *** He does: in a tie-in comic, he tried to freeze the world and make it a giant snow cone |
| 257 | ** It should be noted that nine times out of ten, they don't know it's him. |
| 258 | |
| 259 | !!The Animation Change |
| 260 | * In Season 1 of the show, everything was animated in a cool-looking ThickLineAnimation. While it was still present in Season 2 (but made very subtle), by the end of that season, it got completely phased out from the show in general. What bugs me is, ''why'' was it phased out? |
| 261 | ** It was ugly. >: T |
| 262 | *** That was mostly the case only in the pilot. |
| 263 | ** This troper finds it hard to watch the earlier episodes because it looks so awkward-looking, but that probably had more to do with the dull color pallet and animators getting used to the odd-shaped heads. [[ArtEvolution It was simply changed with the other animation additions.]] Would the show look better if they kept the ThickLineAnimation throughout the series? Maybe. Who can say? |
| 264 | *** They probably had a different animation software at the time. |
| 265 | |
| 266 | !!How does "delighfulization" work again? |
| 267 | * In ''WesternAnimation/OperationZERO'', we learn that the DCFDTL are the KND of Sector Z. Yet in "Operation: G.R.A.D.U.A.T.E.S.", they didn't turn into animals until Tommy added their "genetic material" to the Code Module. WTF? |
| 268 | ** Maybe the DCFDTL were technically removed from the KND as soon as the delightfulization happened? |
| 269 | *** That doesn't make sense, because then they'd be locked out from re-entry. |
| 270 | ** Delightfulization changes DNA. |
| 271 | *** This, they don't even look like their old selves that much so odds are the Delightfulization altered their genetic code. |
| 272 | ---- |
| 273 | * In connection with the above, what happened to the Delightful's ''original'' families? As former members of Sector Z, they don't appear to have true connections to one another, yet now they are considered Father's children, and thus apparent siblings. But what about their original genetic families? Would they be looking for them or is this part of the Adult Conspiracy? Also, it means that Father is in effect the single parent of five, without anyone batting an eye. Even for the AdConsp, it is a bit much.//Two theories emerge, which can work together: |
| 274 | ** The children may be officially declared "dead", i.e. as in a bus crash, and thus the families would have given up on them. This would remove any legal problems about adoption. |
| 275 | ** The various parents may be caught wind of Sector Z and decided to "volunteer" i.e. sacrifice ''their children'' to being Delightfulized, to further the Adult Conspiracy. Father was considered the best man for finalizing their training. The now Delightful children would turn to him as someone who knows what's left to do. |
| 276 | !!What's up with her legs |
| 277 | * Minor Nitpick: it bugs me that, in their regular clothes, Numbuh 1 has actual legs while Numbuh 3 has... sticks. Maybe I'm just [[ParanoiaFuel paranoid]] that they're going to break off one day... |
| 278 | ** I always thought Kuki just wore leggings. They tend to make peoples' legs look pretty tiny... I worry about how small HER legs look though, I'm kind of waiting for her to die from lack of circulation. |
| 279 | ** On a few occasions, like when she's in her swimsuit, she's drawn with normally-sized legs. It's just an artistic license that her default look has line-thin legs. |
| 280 | ** Definitely leggings, or whatever they're supposed to be. Operation: N.O.-P.O.W.U.H. confirmed it for this troper. |
| 281 | ---- |
| 282 | * CAN NUMBUH 5, LIKE, WEAR PANTS? Like, I assume she's wearing shorts under that T-shirt, but seriously, every time I see her I just go, "Oh, she's half-naked." And I don't think I should have to assume that. |
| 283 | ** It's not like she ''never'' wears pants, like that one time she wore a tuxedo or when she's dressed for winter... |
| 284 | ** She IS wearing shorts, black and probably the spandex kind, you can see them when her shirt tilts. And her ''VideoGame/FusionFall'' avatar is very clearly wearing them too. |
| 285 | ** I once read that she and #3 are wearing "shirt dresses": literally, a cross between a shirt and a dress. |
| 286 | *** She probably wearing tights of some kind usually. |
| 287 | |
| 288 | !!Number 5's Specs |
| 289 | * In "No P in the OOL", Abby was seen wearing a pair of glasses, but in episodes afterward we never see or hear of these glasses again. They could just be for reading, but I've seen her reading magazines without them before... is she just so self-conscious about it that she never wears them? She doesn't seem the type. |
| 290 | ** Contact lenses maybe? |
| 291 | ** TheArtifact |
| 292 | ** Oh, she wears glasses outside that episode. When she was turned into one of the DCFDTL, she wore polite glasses. Not to mention the finale, where Numbuh 1 gives Numbuh 5 his glasses. |
| 293 | ** An early idea for Numbuh 5 was that she needed glasses, but refused to wear them, therefore making her clumsy. |
| 294 | !!The Game of Tag |
| 295 | * How could they decide the entire future of the KND... on something as random as a GAME OF TAG? What if whoever 'won' at the end turns out to be a terrible leader? Like, say, all the problems that arose in that episode, for instance. |
| 296 | ** Well. . .when Numbah 13 got tagged, a whole bunch of kids jumped him so he wasn't the Supreme Leader, IIRC. |
| 297 | ** It was explained that no one likes or wants the job, thus the randomness, no one would be supreme commander if it wasn't decided that way. |
| 298 | ** Some fans theorize that the game of tag only happens if the supreme leader hasn't already chosen a successor |
| 299 | ---- |
| 300 | * Why can't the new Supreme Leader just start a new game of tag as soon as their term of office begins? or if they have absolute power just order somebody else to take the job? |
| 301 | ** How do you know it's never happened? |
| 302 | |
| 303 | !!The Sweater Conspiracy |
| 304 | * Go right now to "Operation: S.U.P.P.O.R.T." (or just another episode, I haven't checked) in which Abby's Bill Cosby father appears. As he appears, pay attention to the color of his sweater. Memorized it? Okay, now wait until he goes away, and then look at the next scene in which he comes back. THE SWEATER CHANGES EVERY SINGLE TIME. EVERY TIME. WHY? WHY DOES HE KEEP CHANGING HIS SWEATER? Your Mileage May Very, but this blew my mind. |
| 305 | ** It's just a parody of Bill Cosby's multi-colored sweaters, taken to a humorously large degree. |
| 306 | !!Greater Scope Villain? |
| 307 | * "Operation: F.U.T.U.R.E." as a whole. The villain in this episode aimed to put an end to the entire human race and being a kid's show, no one in the universe realizes that that would be the result of turning every human on Earth into a girl. Had it not been for one rogue girl who cooperated with the boys to reverse the effect of the girlification ray or whatever it was called, the entire human race would have been wiped out over about 265 years. |
| 308 | ** Except there's technology that exists that could theoretically allow human females to reproduce without males. |
| 309 | ** Besides, Madame Margret was an 85-year-old tyrant -- some combination of senility and going mad with power could have rendered her completely insane. Note that there are no adult women in her army -- she's using girls who may not comprehend the gravity of the situation. What started as a plan to make her an Amazon Queen, keeping men only as sex slaves, turned into {{Gendercide}} when she lost it in her old age. |
| 310 | *** That's... actually a pretty scary thought. |
| 311 | ** This troper is a little bit confused with the whole gendercide thing. Considering that within a good year and a half or maybe 2 the whole human race could have possibly been transformed into females, how the [[GoshDangItToHeck heck]] do you manage to produce male children? Take Numbuhs 1 and 2, who got hit by a GenderBender. If they manage to gender-bend the whole world, how do they produce male kids? And even if they find a way to make women pregnant without males, they would have found a way to make sure all produced children would become girls. |
| 312 | *** Who says she got them all? The men resisted and Numbuh 4 was never turned except for his hand so Margret is still looking for remnants of the male population to girlify. Besides, it's not like every girl went along with Margret's vault into the metaphorical deep end either. Sally Sanban, Numbuh 3's granddaughter in this timeline, spoke of how her grandmother wants a time of peace and cooperation between men and women like it was before and it's not a stretch to think others share the same sentiment. My theory? Older women (and not the young girls Margret has enticed into her army) who know what earth-shattering consequences Margaret's insanity will bring still maintain relationships and have children with men. The girls born stay with their mothers and learn what nutcase their 'great leader' truly is and the boys are born in secret and have to flee the home with whatever male relatives will take them. So really, many women DON'T side with Margret to keep the species alive and make sure men aren't exterminated to hopefully one day overthrow her. |
| 313 | ** Is it possible to resist the mind-control provided by the Girlifying Rifles? As a girl, you could invoke maternal instincts or, depending on if sexuality is affected too, the need for intimacy and love. All girly aspects that require boys. |
| 314 | |
| 315 | !!Hatred of the Dentist |
| 316 | * It bugs me that the Kids Next Door consider poor dental hygiene a good thing. Especially girly girl Numbuh 3. |
| 317 | ** They probably just ''really'' hate dentists. |
| 318 | ** In a world where everything childhood-related is serious business, poor dental hygiene does not end up making your teeth fall out. Somehow. |
| 319 | ** there IS no such thing as dental hygiene. It's all a myth perpetuated by the adults to torment children. |
| 320 | ** Hmm...that theory sounds vaguely familiar (fluoride conspiracy theory). |
| 321 | ** Numbuh 1 might secretly have good dental hygiene... I mean he never showed his teeth so he shows Numbuh 4's instead! |
| 322 | ** I thought they might even be masochists. |
| 323 | ** I'm fairly sure there have been a few close-ups revealing their disgusting teeth. |
| 324 | *** Well, the KND, in general, want to stop things that prevent kids from being kids (in any exaggerated sense of the word), so their antipathy towards dentists is because, from what we see out of the eps, dentists (Knightbrace, especially) don't want them to have their sweets or anything related. Considering that, in one ep (the Rainbow Monkeys cereal episode), the KND called a truce (until breakfast is over) with the adults to beat up Knightbrace because of the chaos and how he wanted to destroy the cereal, one could say they might be right on that. |
| 325 | |
| 326 | !!The MOON Episode |
| 327 | * "Operation: M.O.O.N." Just... "Operation: M.O.O.N.". |
| 328 | ** [[MathematiciansAnswer Yes]]. Next question? |
| 329 | |
| 330 | !!Different surnames? |
| 331 | * If father and Numbuh Zero are brothers, why do they have different last names? |
| 332 | ** They don't. Mr. Wigglestein was either an ancestor of theirs or a character made up by Nigel. |
| 333 | ** That, or Monty took his wife's surname because he was repulsed by his father, even accounting for the effect of decommissioning. |
| 334 | ** Or Benedict changed his last name because he didn't want to be known to be related to the one who founded the second age of KND. |
| 335 | ** Whoever said Father's last name wasn't Uno. The only time his name is implied to be anything else is in a story that is probably at least 50% of Nigel's imagination, and the name given isn't Benedict either. |
| 336 | *** What do you mean 50% of Nigel's imagination? While you could make the "the Codename: Kids Next Door episodes could be a dream made by the dream headband" theory, there's no evidence to suggest that ''Operation Z.E.R.O.'' is inside of Nigel's head. |
| 337 | |
| 338 | !!Ugh Lizzie |
| 339 | * They expected the viewers to like Lizzie? Really? |
| 340 | ** I loved her from the very beginning. D: |
| 341 | ** Mr. Warburton, the creator, says that he received a ton of fan mail demanding that Nigel dump Lizzie... but just as much threatening his life should they ever break up, so I guess it's just a matter of taste. |
| 342 | ** This troper has always been of the theory that Nigel eventually drops Lizzie for Rachel (Numbuh 362). They quite obviously respect each other and she even tries to make a pass at him by inviting him to lunch(Jokingly threatening to make it an official order). YMMV of course as to if this is actually personal feelings or just playful banter between friends as it is never fully expanded upon. |
| 343 | ** READ THIS AND READ IT CAREFULLY: For the record, this troper still believes that Lizzie wanted to get to know #1's so-called pals better. Am I the only one who noticed WHY she did what she did? Because #2-#5. Mocked. Their. Relationship. #2 and #4 dance around going, "Nigie's got a girlfriend! Nigie's got a girlfriend!" while #3 and #5 just stand back, smirk, and laugh. Yes, Lizzie failed to notice, and putting that Boyfriend Helmet on her sweetie and making him attack the others was no way to address the situation. Fair enough. But then, others have done just as bad if not worse. Remember when #86 sent #1 on a dangerous mission to Rainbow Monkey Island to retrieve a code needed TO WIN A STINKIN' KEYCHAIN? What about when #3 tried stealing everyone's presents for herself simply because #4 forgot to give her a gift? #3? And speaking of #4 (and no offense to him), don't get me started on HIS villainous tendencies and his capacity to botch up missions. Furthermore, what of the DNK? Do a few simple sights and words equal instant redemption? No way. So what if Negative #4 bullied them? I would think our "heroes'" intervention would only give them more incentive to strike back harder, seeing how people are people and prone to screwing up. Besides, Lizzie eventually did get her comeuppance from Jimmy a la Operation: S.N.O.W.I.N.G. Sure, it didn't much improve her character later, but I blame that on bad writing. Now please, stop ripping on the poor girl. Please? |
| 344 | ** I think at first she *was* supposed to be kind of a nuisance because her introduction episode was unpleasant despite what the rest of Sector V did and the fact Nigel acted ashamed of her. However, the further the series moved along, the more likable she became and also became a better girlfriend while still keeping the bossy and clingy personality that just made her who she was. Without considering April Fool's video, she was constantly worried about Numbuh 1 overworking himself, did honestly the best she could to help him when she had the chance, fought for him, and put up with a lot more than most people would. Also, despite all her yelling, she was never callous to the rest of Sector V (Or any KND agent, for that matter), whereas Numbuh's 2,4 and 5 ignored her at best and belittled her at worst. I understand where a lot of people get the feeling Numbuh 5 or Numbuh 362 would be a "better pair" as they would do what Nigel wants to do: Work, however, Lizzie was more of what he needed and that was something beyond being an agent 24/7 (The lack of the latter might be what leads him to make the decision he made in the April Fool's video). In hindsight, knowing who Lizzie *really* is, it's likely her tears in "Operation: G.I.R.L.F.R.I.E.N.D." was due to the fact Numbuh 1 "passed" the test while she wanted the opposite. Just a thought, but I think Lizzie deserves a lot more credit than she gets. |
| 345 | |
| 346 | !!Where do babies come from? |
| 347 | * Where do babies come from? I mean, assuming the whole "Adult Disease" is real and people are supposed to be children forever, then where do babies come from if we know them to come from adults? |
| 348 | ** New Jersey? |
| 349 | ** WordOfGod is that "Operation: A.R.C.H.I.V.E." is just a crazy conspiracy theory, so... the same place as in real life, I guess. |
| 350 | *** I was talking about "Operation: I.N.T.E.R.V.I.E.W.S." where it's stated that adulthood is a disease the Galactic KND are fighting |
| 351 | ** The disease, in addition to causing aging, was what triggered the first mutations that lead to organisms capable of sexual reproduction. Now that much of the life on Earth has been infected with the disease for billions of years, they are dependent on it: if they were incapable of reaching the sexually mature stage, their species could not reproduce and ergo not survive. While genes that resisted the disease ''after'' the individual had reached, say, late adolescence (whether it be slowing down the physical deterioration of the body or staying a kid at heart) may spread and may prove an evolutionary advantage, any genes that provide immunity to the disease are goners. Chew on that, if you will. |
| 352 | *** [[FridgeBrilliance Whoa.]] So in other words, adaptive biology worked around the virus to create what we know now. This troper may be speaking from the older perspective but one must question the motives behind the GKND for wanting to destroy the adultism virus. The prospect of being a kid forever is something to think about. |
| 353 | *** [[BizarreAlienBiology Aliens]] [[BizarreSexualDimorphism may]] [[BizarreAlienReproduction reproduce]] [[ExoticEquipment differently]]. It may never have occurred to them that we need the disease to survive as a species. If/when the GKND finds the cure, a representative from the earth is going to have to sit down with them and have a nice long talk about why they need to let earthlings grow up. Mind you, getting older is pretty much all downhill after your thirties. Provided we do not rely on the disease for any other biological functions, no one would object to curing it after an individual had reached the peak of their health. |
| 354 | *** I always assumed that without the adult virus people would just stay kids forever and therefore live forever so reproduction wouldn't be an issue |
| 355 | *** Well, even if you eliminated human mortality, you still need the adults to do the stuff that isn't fun but necessary to keep the world turning. |
| 356 | *** Personal headcanon: Humans USED TO be born from DeliveryStork's. |
| 357 | |
| 358 | !!Where did Sector Z come from? |
| 359 | * Why the hell does everyone think that the DCFDTL or for that matter Sector Z is the same one Numbuh Zero worked with when he was a child? I mean really, it could be a different Sector Z. |
| 360 | ** Another Sector Z was never mentioned. Occam's Razor applies. It's quite likely that the overloaded Delightfulization device also halted their aging as well as making them "perfect little children". |
| 361 | ** Sectors seem set to a location rather than its members though. |
| 362 | ** People think Monty recognized them as KND operatives, ignoring the fact that he ''very'' clearly said he deduced it himself because they had KND-like skills. |
| 363 | |
| 364 | !!AbsurdlyPowerfulStudentCouncil? |
| 365 | * The ending of that episode is where the KND is escorting the Fourth Grade President to a conference to negotiate the time school lets out. At the end of it, he betrays them, having worked with Father to extend the school to college-level hours. That makes for a neat twist ending, but the entire plot just ends so abruptly. There's no follow-up to it. OK, sure the President shows up again as a minor recurring villain, but the whole school extended to insane times thing is never touched on again. What, did the KND just ''stand there and let it happen?'' |
| 366 | ** I would guess that the kids fought back. All the kids. At least the bulk of them. And since going to school isn't generally a big deal anyways for the main characters, skipping would not be unconsidered. |
| 367 | ** Offscreen victory? |
| 368 | |
| 369 | !!Where did these guys come from? |
| 370 | * "Operation: C.O.L.L.E.G.E.". Just what the hell was with Sector V showing up right at the climax when they were supposed to be at the beach and didn't even believe Nigel's theory? Is there at least a fanfic or something that tries to elaborate on this? |
| 371 | ** Nigel's paranoia is generally correct; so what would initially be a small amount of doubt would (when they are off-screen) grows to concern and their sense of duty leads to them saving the day. Though now that you've brought it up someone will have to make a fan-fic. |
| 372 | |
| 373 | !!Decommissioning (again) |
| 374 | * What happens when you're decommissioned? Do you recall your teammates, just without the KND part? Is everything KND related wiped from your memory? Have the last few years of your life been erased from your mind? |
| 375 | ** I guess that only everything related to the KND itself is wiped. The teenagers remember school, home and they vaguely remember "playing" with their friends, and they chalk up how vague their memories of that last part is to be young and stupid (if pressed too closely on what they did with their friends, you'd just get "who cares, it was probably stupid kid stuff" from them). |
| 376 | ** In the episode where Sector V gets decommissioned they don't remember ever knowing each other. |
| 377 | ** I think the inclination is you remember your childhood as if you had never joined the KND. Odds are they wouldn't have met, or at least become friends if they hadn't joined the KND. |
| 378 | *** This. The entire joke is that it's the explanation for why your childhood memories seem almost disconnected and blurry. The reason why you only remember your childhood in fragments is because those fragments are memories that have to do with the KND. |
| 379 | ---- |
| 380 | * Related to above. What exactly do the parents and non-KND related friends think after what happens? Do think you're just playing the "I don't know you" game after an argument or something? Also, do decommissioned members ever think about why they can't recall any, or most, friends in their childhood? |
| 381 | ** Since decommissioning seems to be selective it's not a stretch to think that it wouldn't wipe memories of friends outside the KND. There would be no reason to do that. You would probably remember them as you would before. Secondly, adults that are not villains are oblivious to the KND entirely so they certainly wouldn't notice or think something along the lines of "I guess s/he has some new older friends to be with." Finally, we haven't seen an operative that has questioned why they couldn't remember it clearly. It would be an interesting subject to write about, however. |
| 382 | !!Number vs "Numbuh" |
| 383 | * The way people spell "number" as "Numbuh". Characters have used "number" plenty of times, like Number 3 in "Operation: F.U.T.U.R.E." and "Katie" in "Operation: U.T.O.P.I.A.". "Numbuh" is just a speech habit, like when people pronounce "our" like "are". Was there ever an episode that insisted this was the correct pronunciation? |
| 384 | ** Note that I recall. |
| 385 | |
| 386 | !!Nigel and Lizzie's relationship |
| 387 | * "Operation: G.I.R.L.F.R.I.E.N.D." That became the needle on the haystack for Lizzie for me... So he's fighting to rid the world of adult tyranny, but Nigel deserves all the flack from Lizzie in this episode... why? He's fighting to protect her too, and earlier seasons have proven that she should not only be able to handle that fact but is about as well-trained as any moderately-skilled KND operative, especially in bipedal and gadget-based 2x4 tech. She should be supporting his fight since it seems pretty clear that her livelihood as a child is thanks to the KND, and realize that he has been a well-meaning boyfriend in every possible way considering the elite and well-respected nature of his job. I watched the whole thing and I love the series-Nigel had given more time and effort to Lizzie than any other relationship to any other character in terms of development. How in the hell does she miss this? How in any right mind, too, was she not scouted or considered for candidacy and training as a KND op? |
| 388 | ** Probably because she doesn't care about joining the KND. She's stated time and time again that she thinks what he's doing is silly -- even to go so far as agreeing that kids don't need recess when it's been turned into [[ItMakesSenseInContext a slave labor camp to process salad dressing]]. Lizzie seems more inclined toward adults, even looking for a more stable relationship akin to an adult one with Nigel (obviously not a sexual one, just a more mature one). She finally came to the sense that he was not "mature" enough for her to settle down into a regular relationship and dumped him. And Nigel isn't exactly in the clear. He's been known to bail on his dates pretty easily, which is unfair to Lizzie. It's been hinted throughout the series that he sets up decoys and other excuses just so he doesn't piss her off which is wrong -- he should have just told her outright that he had a job to do. |
| 389 | ** Perhaps Lizzie is an ingrate and doesn't know when she's offered freedom from Adult Tyranny. |
| 390 | ** I'm telling you, bad writing. Check out my pro-Lizzie sentiments higher up on this page. |
| 391 | ** In Operation: R.E.C.E.S.S., she seemed perfectly fine with all the other kids suffering. |
| 392 | ** We found out why... that reveal about Lizzie in GKND makes all the above put into question. I still wonder knowing what I know now if her love for Numbuh 1 is genuine or a charade. |
| 393 | |
| 394 | !!Forgotten Backstory |
| 395 | * "Operation: A.R.C.H.I.V.E."'s backstory completely forgotten due to a WordOfGod cop-out for ''Z.E.R.O.'' I would accept it better if the narrative didn't make me believe that the ending was canon. No. He decides to make it a fantasy of Nigel Uno (not told in the actual show) to be looked over that Father wasn't created and then given a motive based on being a slave to liberate the other adults from their creators but to be another kid that was under the tyranny of a villain that was created for the film. |
| 396 | |
| 397 | !!Shouldn't he go the vet? |
| 398 | * Why was Bradley taken to a ''human'' hospital? He's a skunk, shouldn't he have been taken to a vet or animal rescue clinic? |
| 399 | ** They were in a hurry? They had to save him and there just was no time. |
| 400 | *** Maybe they thought he was a kid? |
| 401 | |
| 402 | !!Child Soldiers would be No-No otherwise |
| 403 | * This doesn't just bug me, it rather ticks me off. I can't help but think that I'm the only Troper who's ever thought it out this much but seriously, has anybody truly considered how vile the whole setup of KND is? Kids, only about 5 or 6 when they join, are put in rather serious situations with little insight on how it would affect them. They sign on for the chance to be cool and have fun but never foresee the consequences when something like Grandfather happens. Even worse is the entire thing involving decommissioning. It's no wonder that the "Teenz" exists. They were once agents of the KND themselves. Some people like Chad Dickinson (Numbuh 274) give up so much of their childhoods to become the best agents and leaders, why wouldn't they feel entitled to some compensation for their time? After all of that their only reward is the very organization they put their childhood into building wants to scramble their memories because they are thirteen. They even KNOW that this is an eventuality that they all have to face. The ones who run away give a lot to the organization and have absolutely nothing to show for it because once they turn thirteen the system they once worked with turns against them. I can't blame any of them for running. The rogue agents only want to protect everything about their childhood that was precious to them. It's all they get to keep for what they give to the KND. Even that the KND wants to take away from them. That logic wouldn't fly with younger kids because they lack the perspective to see exactly what they miss out on by joining this organization. They only see what they want to see. Short-term benefits before the long-term drawbacks. KidsAreCruel indeed, even if it is unintentional. |
| 404 | ** Maybe towards the end of the series, the writers were trying to imply something like this -- the stakes became more serious and the plots became more involved. I can't seem to decide: FridgeBrilliance or DarkerandEdgier? |
| 405 | *** Nothing says it can't be both. Bringing out fridge brilliance by making it darker and edgier. |
| 406 | ** Also, towards the end, they did ''try'' to reach a truce with the Teenz so they wouldn't need to do this. So it seems they don't ''want'' to, it's just they have some reason they need to do it. And we still have no idea what decommissioning is like, their memories of being in the KND may be replaced with a normal childhood as if they'd never joined the KND. And considering the Teens are already organized and powerful despite most of them not remembering the KND in the first place, their motivation is 'get the annoying kids out of our way' that 'they stole my childhood! Revenge!'. |
| 407 | *** True, but consider the sheer number of operatives that try to run once their number (pardon the pun) is up. The Teenz didn't just wake up one morning and say "I'm going to go harass grade-schoolers with laser-shooting armored bicycles!" The Teenz had to have been started by former KND operatives who could come up with that technological know-how to defend themselves from the organization that wanted to take away what they thought was everything their childhood was about. True that a lot of the Teenz themselves were not part of the KND but cases like Cree and Chad happen and there are bound to be more like them. |
| 408 | *** True, but if one looks at it, something like that may be exactly why. What if say a group of Teens splintered off with technological know-how of the Kids Next Door and began using it for their gain? And that's how the Teenz started. The Teenz are quite clearly a major threat to the KND, so it would make sense if that's what happened, or something similar, the reaction was to do anything possible to stop it from ever happening again. There's also what Numbuh 1 said about teens being permitted to live normal lives. It's possible decommissioning doesn't erase their entire childhood, just replaced the KND parts with memories of those what their life would've been like if they'd never been in the KND. When we saw Numbuh 2-5 be decommissioned, it was interrupted partway through, so it's possible the procedure wasn't completed yet. The only other one we saw completely decommissioned was a double agent and faking it. So we can't be sure what decommissioning does. |
| 409 | ---- |
| 410 | * Am I allowed to ask "how the hell do you teach a 6-year-old how to operate and repair advance technology as well as train them in complex martial arts in only a few months?" or is that supposed to be covered by suspension of disbelief? |
| 411 | ** Do we know for a fact that training at the KND academy takes only a few months? Otherwise, it's possible that an operative's training starts around age 8(I don't think any of the fully-trained operatives we see are younger than 8) which makes this point slightly more believable. |
| 412 | *** Didn't Tommy (post-self-decommissioning) say he was seven once? Regardless, this is also an organization that has the technology to travel all over the world and to the moon like it's a walk down the block, so yeah, this is probably one of those willing suspensions of disbelief-thingies. |
| 413 | ** 2x4 technology is supposed to be easy enough that a kid could build it. |
| 414 | !!Wouldn't there be infighting? |
| 415 | * What exactly makes the KND think that KND Operatives will betray them in favor of villain groups? What is it that makes people like Cree so bound to betray the KND and Maurice not, what's the psychology and logic behind that, how do we know for certain other Operatives after reaching 13 wouldn't just leave the KND alone if they were allowed to go undecommissioned? |
| 416 | ** Too much risk. Chad probably would've gone rogue even if decommissioning didn't exist because he was in love with power. Probably in the past, they didn't decommission people and it resulted in something horrible enough to require it to protect the KND. |
| 417 | *** Chad's love for power would indeed explain why he'd have gone rogue and his former position as Supreme Leader shows how his amount of intelligence could have a strong impact against the KND, but not with the majority of KND Operatives, I'm asking what it is about KND Ops reaching 13 that makes loyalty seem like something you can just outgrow, we're talking about a military organization around the size of some third-world country armies, not a fan club. I'm asking HOW an Operative's loyalty changes with his age and how it would make letting them go a big enough risk for decommissioning's strict enforcement to be required, and also what is it about Maurice that makes him not bound to betraying the KND as they seem to think every other Teen ex-operative seems to be? |
| 418 | *** Ask Cree, that girl from Operation: S.L.U.M.B.E.R......this is just two of the examples of why they take this "decommissioning" seriously. |
| 419 | !!Shouldn't he know his Grandad? |
| 420 | * When Father revealed Grandfather to the villains and explained his plan, why didn't Numbuh One recognize Grandfather as his, well, grandfather? Did Monty not keep in touch with any family? Granted, I can see Benedict not wanting to keep in contact, but since Grandfather lost his memories he has no reason to not want to keep in contact with Monty and neither does Monty. Monty strikes me as the type who sees family as being important and seeing as he didn't remember Grandfather being a cruel dictator I don't understand why he wouldn't keep him in his, and thus, Nigel's life. |
| 421 | ** Well, we don't know how long it's been since Monty moved out of his dad's home to go his path, or what events might have happened after Monty's decommissioning that might have affected his relationship with the decommissioned Grandfather. But since the decommissioned Monty seems considerably simple-minded compared to his recommissioned self, it's likely it simply hasn't crossed the decommissioned Monty's mind to contact his dad. |
| 422 | ** The fact that Father and Monty have different last names (Monty's last name is, of course, Uno while Father's last name is clearly shown starting with a 'W' in one episode) shows that perhaps Monty was disgusted with his father and brother's path to being evil and cut ties with the family anyways by changing his name. This can also be the same reason that Monty never mentioned that Father is Nigel's uncle. |
| 423 | *** I always figured Uno was the mother's last name, and he took it. |
| 424 | *** Or maybe Monty and Ben were half-brothers; same father, different mothers. And since it's obvious Ben and Grandfather's relationship is complicated (Really? You still like the kid who DEFEATED you better?) Ben took his mother's name. Just thought I'd toss that one out there. |
| 425 | ---- |
| 426 | * Operation Z.E.R.O. shows us that Grandfather ruled the entire world, and enslaved all children to work in his tapioca factories. It follows that most, if not all, of the adult villains, were once enslaved by him. But only Father seems to remember who Grandfather is and what the past was like. It's as if the entire world had their memories of Grandfather wiped away. Was every person in the world a KND operative that was later decommissioned? |
| 427 | ** Few possible answers, yes they could be decommissioned operatives. Ben and Father are older than they look and it happened before most of them were old enough to work in the factories. Saying it was the world he ruled was an exaggeration and it just happened in England. |
| 428 | |
| 429 | !!No more Recommisioning |
| 430 | * You know how in ''WesternAnimation/OperationZERO'', how Monty Uno/Numbuh Zero destroys the Recommissioning Device just before he lets himself and Grandfather be decommissioned? And you know how he sends a last-minute message to Nigel, telling him that he secured his decommissioning because he's not a kid anymore and said his "biggest mission" is to be a good father to Nigel? I don't understand why Monty thinks he can't do that while he's recommissioned. What makes him think his decommissioning is required to properly parent Nigel? what kind of negative impact does Monty expect might happen if he allows himself to be recommissioned? If anything, I can see quite a few ways Monty's parenting would improve if he remain recommissioned, 1 example would be if Nigel is faced with a KND-related problem that's affecting him emotionally, Monty, who'd likely have faced a similar experience, might be able to comfort Nigel and help him deal with the problem. So why did Monty think he has to be decommissioned to be a good dad? What does he think might happen involving him parenting Nigel that could cause a negative impact had he been recommissioned and stayed that way? |
| 431 | ** Maybe he had post-traumatic stress disorder or something similar? |
| 432 | ** Monty may also have decided that he'd had his day in the sun and Nigel would ultimately do better on his own. For Monty to return fully to his old kid-friendly ways was something of a conflict of interest. |
| 433 | *** Actually, there is a bit of FridgeBrilliance to this. Remember, Benedict was traumatized enough to have implied hallucinations of Grandfather force-feeding him broccoli when Numbuh 362 threatened him at broccoli point. It is a common pattern for abused children to grow up, only become AbusiveParents themselves, and Monty as Numbuh 0 was smart enough to know that. If he remembered everything while as Numbuh 0, there was no guarantee he wouldn't become just like Grandfather at some point in adulthood, thus he decommissioned himself to ensure he would have no underlying motivation to abuse Nigel. |
| 434 | |
| 435 | !!Girls vs Boys |
| 436 | * This has bugged the hell out of me for years: why do numbers five and three sides with the girls in "Operation: F.U.T.U.R.E."? I mean I know they're girls and probably get annoyed by boys sometimes, but that doesn't automatically mean they would side with Madame Margaret and enslave and kill them all (including their male friends), it'd be like if Britain declared an illegal war on France and we all just supported it because of patriotism. |
| 437 | ** It's never explicitly stated where Numbuh Five was in the future so her loyalty is never established. However, Numbuh 3 defied Margaret from what her future granddaughter, Sally, had told the Boys Next Door when she met with them. It's entirely possible that Numbuh Five defied her as well. |
| 438 | ** However Numbuh Five seemed to be blasted by the girl-ray that turned Numbuh 1 and 2 into females as well... I wondered how the heck does that work? I mean Numbuh Five is already a girl just what can a girl-ray possibly do to a girl? My head hurts just thinking about it. |
| 439 | *** The girl-ray seems to exaggerate the silly-frilly side of "girlishness", so even a tomboy like Numbah Five would lose her more aggressive side in favor of silly tea-party stuff. Notice how anything hit with the ray turned fluffy and flowery? |
| 440 | *** [[{{WMG}} It could also be a mind control device]]. |
| 441 | |
| 442 | !!Different Eyes |
| 443 | * Why do most characters have black eyes, others have vaguely brown eyes, and some just have colored eyes? Most cartoons either have black eyes with maybe one character with non-standard colored eyes or colored eyes |
| 444 | ** That's just the art style. |
| 445 | |
| 446 | !!Why do they want to grow up? |
| 447 | * If the Delightful Children from Down the Lane are obsessed with growing up (as mentioned in "Operation: F.O.U.N.T.A.I.N." and "Operation: P.A.R.T.Y.") then why did they freak out when they did become adults and teens with the age changer cigar device in "Operation: G.R.O.W.-U.P."? I mean they got what they wanted so why freak out when they became adults? Also, why didn't Numbuh 1 just keep the item in the first place and use it to end adult tyranny instead of throwing it away which lead to the incident in G.R.O.W. U.P.? |
| 448 | ** Earlier, they were about to reverse-age Sector V from existence. They probably thought Nigel was going to do the same to them. |
| 449 | EvilCannotComprehendGood |
| 450 | ** Well, maybe the Delightful Children only wanted to become adults progressively (rather than in seconds). That would allow them to fully enjoy the sensation of growing up, and to learn how to be adults. As for Nigel... I think he decided the cigar was simply too dangerous to keep-what if a rogue KND agent or a villain had gotten its hands on it? Admittedly, that doesn't explain Nigel's very unintelligent method for getting rid of the cigar. He must have believed that the object would get lost or destroyed before anyone could find it. |
| 451 | |
| 452 | !!Why didn't they just bump off the kids? |
| 453 | * Mr. Warburton refused to answer this question for a troper on Facebook but here goes... With all these times the villains threaten the KND operatives it's starting to make me wonder... has any of the Kids Next Door villains (Even Father) ever... you know... killed anybody? Or what if Cree successfully offs her sister Numbuh 5, how will she deal with the guilt and explain to her parents about the deed? Also if he answered "yes" then I guess that explains whatever happened to Sector Z's biological parents when they went looking for their "Delightful" Children... pretty dark huh? |
| 454 | ** It seems to me that none of the villains are trying to kill the Kids Next Door. The only exceptions are Mr.Boss (in Operation OFFICE) and the Delightful Children. Otherwise, the villains just try to ruin children's lives in a specific way. |
| 455 | *** However Father did try to kill Numbuh 1 in "Operation I.N.T.E.R.V.I.E.W.S. just for stealing his pipe. |
| 456 | *** My mistake. In that case, Father would be the third exception. |
| 457 | ** If Cree wanted to kill Numbah 5, she has the perfect opportunity every single night. They live in the same house. It wouldn't be that hard to kill her in her sleep. |
| 458 | ** To answer the second part with Cree, it's been established that they can create perfect clones of the children, and considering that AdultsAreUseless when it comes to the ongoing battle between the KND and the evil adults, her parents wouldn't find out the difference. |
| 459 | ** Cree has been confirmed to, ''very'' deep down, still love her sister so she may not have ever considered just killing her sister. |
| 460 | |
| 461 | !!Child villains, why? |
| 462 | * Why are there Child Villains in the series anyway? Here we have the KND fighting Adult Tyranny which means freedom for kids... and then we have some children who pretty much oppose the KND like former school president James Nixon [=McGarfield=], Laura Limpin (the big adolescent), the Six Gum Gang, Windsor, Ernest, and many others. This sort of thing tells me that they are ingrates and very ungrateful that the Kids Next Door fight for the freedom of kids everywhere, but these guys either oppose the KND or are on the side of Adults... Even Lizzie (Numbuh 1's ex-girlfriend) seemed to be on the side of the adults as seen in "Operation: R.E.C.E.S.S.". What's up with that? |
| 463 | ** To add variety. If the show followed solely the "adults are bad, kids are good" formula, it would become boring fast. Children are free to have their own opinion and not forced to agree with the KND, and willing to be villains on their own if they find it more fun. Plus, this provides more opportunities for betrayal, moles, double agents, etc. And not every child villain necessarily side with the adults; they're just antagonists to the KND. You should note that there are some adults siding with the protagonists too. From a narrative standpoint, the fact that Child Villains can exist is a very good thing. |
| 464 | *** So they want to be sent to bed early, given tons of homework, and spanked by Spankulot? |
| 465 | *** That's not it at all. They are free agents, doing it for their reasons. As the previous troper stated, just because they oppose the KND doesn't mean they support the adults. Take the Six Gum Gang for example. They're attacking buses and stealing homework for the DCFDTL because they were paid to (somehow). They don't owe loyalty to anybody least of all adults. James Nixon [=McGarfield=] did what he did to impress Lizzie of all people. |
| 466 | *** The kids that are aiding the adults may be doing it because they think they will be spared if the adults win the conflict. Additionally, it could also be due to family relations. For example, the kid that tried to force adult Vin Moosk to wear a tie and become an accountant again was revealed to be the son of his former overbearing boss. |
| 467 | *** In-Universe I'm sure the Kids Next Door do feel these kids are very ungrateful to their mission which in their values is for their good. Mind you in real life there are plenty of millennials who felt betrayed by gen z just accepting things they felt were important to rebel against. The divide between the kids who grew up with the Cohen Cn vs the Samples Cn is another example where the groups feel the other side is missing or hurting the mission their CN taught them. For the time Kids Next Door was made it can be read as a very interesting parody of what in reality was TruthInTelevision of ValuesDissonance. |
| 468 | |
| 469 | !!ThirdPersonPerson Number 5 |
| 470 | * Why does Numbuh 5 speak in the third person? |
| 471 | ** Because Numbuh 5 says it's cool to be third person baby! |
| 472 | |
| 473 | !!How do the superpowers work? |
| 474 | * This was never made this clear but are most of the villain's superpowers science-based or magic-based? Long story short, is Grandma Stuffum's food minions created by magic or genetically engineered and that explains their sentience. |
| 475 | ** Well, she was wearing a witch hat in '''OPERATION Foodfite''', so I'm going with the first. |
| 476 | *** A little bit of both. |
| 477 | |
| 478 | !!The Resident Moron |
| 479 | * Why is Numbuh 4 seen as the idiot of the team, especially InUniverse? Yes, his schoolwork is atrocious, but out of school, he seems a pretty savvy guy, while Kuki has trouble understanding when they are in danger of being shot (like '''Operation End''')or when shut up her trap('''OPERATION Spank'''). Numbuh 4 has been able to fool Stickybeard and his crew and concluded that his EvilTwin was a coward, to name a few. Why do they think he is the dumber? |
| 480 | ** I know what you mean. And yet during the first season, Wally was looked upon as reasonably smart by the rest of his team. But for some reason, after season 1, everyone started treating him like a moron. I think there are two possibilities: either Wally did something between Seasons 1 and 2 that landed him a bad reputation, or Tom Warburton thought it would be funny to have a resident idiot on the team. As for Kuki, I don't think she's stupid, she's just a CloudcuckooLander. |
| 481 | *** "NUMBUH ONE SAYS TRY THE ONION RINGS!" |
| 482 | ** Same reason why Lizzie didn't fare much better herself even after Operation: S.N.O.W.I.N.G.: bad writing. |
| 483 | ** Probably RuleOfFunny? |
| 484 | ** Isn't it obvious? He may be a tough operative, but he's also BookDumb enough that everyone knows it. Heck, his math homework was so bad that it was poisonous to the weredogs. Plus on his missions, he's had more than a few moments of stupidity. Also because of his annoying and rather rude personality, people don't tend to like him very much, which doesn't help his reputation at all. How did you guys miss that? |
| 485 | ** , as shown in OPERATION S.P.R.O.U.T, his brain is canonically tiny. |
| 486 | *** He's not that stupid but he is the most impulsive. He's a LeeroyJenkins, really. |
| 487 | |
| 488 | !!More on the Archive |
| 489 | * Okay. On one hand, we have Operation A.R.C.H.I.V.E, which is, while WordOfGod is just a conspiracy theory, demonstrably ''real'' to some degree ("they know", the finale, etc). At the same time, we have a crossover setting it in the same world as ''WesternAnimation/TheGrimAdventuresOfBillyAndMandy'', a series that has at least two references to ancient human history having been ''WesternAnimation/TheFlintstones'', rather than biopunk kid-dominated [[Anime/TheAnimatrix animatrix]]. How do these two wildly different takes on the paleolithic coexist? |
| 490 | ** Other than Fred Flintstone/Jake Steel, other cartoon characters like Yogi Bear, Boo Boo Bear, and Grape Ape appears on Billy and Mandy and therefore co-exist in the KND verse... HOW DO TALKING ANIMALS WORK IN THE KND? |
| 491 | *** Same way talking food monsters and a man with telekinetic control of toilets works. Biology is ''strange'' there that's just consistent MagicAIsMagicA, rather than conflicting reports. |
| 492 | *** I thought that the Grim Adventures/KND crossover was just a non-canon special. |
| 493 | *** Obviously. Rachel may not always think things through, but there is no way she wouldn't be able to tell that Mandy wasn't Nigel, especially since she's majorly implied to have feelings for him. |
| 494 | |
| 495 | !!The Iguana Dude |
| 496 | * The Iguana Villain ... what type of villain does he even serve as? He doesn't seem to have a "theme" or anything. Maybe he's a villain of another sector or something. |
| 497 | ** He probably just hates kids and also happens to have an obsession with iguanas. |
| 498 | ** I've always assumed that he's supposed to represent those adults in animal/character costumes at fairs. Maybe he hates kids and was given the job because he lost his old one and a family member gave it to him. |
| 499 | *** He could hate kids because of some kids being not [[AndCallHimGeorge so nice]] [[ChronicPetKiller with]] [[BadPeopleHurtAnimals their pets]] and "exotic" pets tend to be common victims of this |
| 500 | |
| 501 | !!Cree's defection |
| 502 | * It is established later in the series that Cree was a former KND operative who defected before being decommissioned and that she was around when Numbah Five was an agent AND when Numbah One was in training to become an agent. Both of them likely knew that she had betrayed the KND, yet in her introductory episode, neither 1, 2 (Though he rarely treats her as an enemy due to his crush on her), or 5 act like they knew this. (Obviously, the writers had not thought up this backstory yet, but I'm talking in-universe) 5 just treated her like an older sister, though the end of that episode showed she did suspect her anyway. 1 was blatantly suspicious and distrustful of her, but the way he acted just made it look like that was how he would treat any teenager(However, his suspicion wasn't his hatred of the KND's teenage enemies, but of simple distrust of anyone, not a kid). It doesn't make much sense that they wouldn't bring up this fact as soon as they saw her. |
| 503 | ** It's been years since I've seen the show, so I may be way off the mark here, but was it ever confirmed that they ''knew'' that she had defected and escaped decommissioning? Maybe they just thought she had been decommissioned like she was supposed to be (Not because the KND as a whole didn't know, but rather because the higher-ups didn't see any particular reason to tell them). |
| 504 | ** I just figured AsYouKnow didn't apply here. Besides, Abby and Cree usually pretend to be normal sisters around their parents. |
| 505 | |
| 506 | !!Why's he an operative? |
| 507 | * Why was Numbuh 30c still a KND operative in Operation: S.C.I.E.N.C.E.? He tried to blow up Sector V! |
| 508 | ** Perhaps they kept him ''specifically'' [[TheAce for that reason]]... |
| 509 | |
| 510 | !!Working undercover |
| 511 | * Numbuh 274 (Chad)'s truth that he is an undercover agent for the KND the whole time... was it rushed due to the show having a few episodes left? I mean he looked genuinely evil what with launching the KND moonbase into the sun (I know he explained that Cree was going to do it first but it sounded rushed also) Or is it that he was THAT good at acting as a villain? Although acting or not, it seemed like he wanted to put the hurting on Numbuh 1 despite being undercover for the KND... man I'm confused. So long story short was Chad's HeelFaceTurn rushed or planned the whole time? |
| 512 | ** WordOfGod says it wasn't planned, but this troper just assumes that yes, he's that good an actor. |
| 513 | ** In all likelihood, Chad is being honest about being loyal to the KND. However, his obsession with being the best probably caused him to genuinely hate Nigel, to the point that he'd be willing to seriously harm him. |
| 514 | ** But what about the time he helped Father, Cree, and the adult villains summon Grandfather? I'm sorry, but so many things in the last season don't make any sense. |
| 515 | *** Almost definitely to keep up with the charade. |
| 516 | |
| 517 | !!Being well-behaved, I think y'all mean "brainwashed" |
| 518 | * Why does everyone consider the Delightful Children to be "well behaved"? They kidnap other kids for their birthday parties and refuse to share their cake and that's just the tip of the iceberg. What's mind-blowing is the fact that Father himself called them "perfect" in the movie although they disobeyed him when told to work together with Numbuh 1 and Uncle Monty and even shove him. |
| 519 | ** Well, since most other kids act like the KND, Father probably considers the Delightful Children the closest that kids could ever get to "perfect". As for the other thing, kids in this 'verse probably use "well behaved" as shorthand for "suck-up to the adults". |
| 520 | *** What's "well-behaved" to one is brainwashed to another. Sure, the other kids in the KND universe are rebelious, however, aside from that, they're normal kids, while the Delightful Children are, well, weird. |
| 521 | |
| 522 | !!How long was Operation: Zero |
| 523 | * How long ago did the events of Operation: ZERO take place anyway? If Numbuh Zero and Benedict were kids back then, it can't have been more than 40 years or so, but the world was rebuilt to its present day state that quickly? Keep in mind that it wasn't magically transformed into a dystopia like it was in the movie, that's how Grandfather constructed his original empire. |
| 524 | ** Maybe he ''did'' use magic to construct that empire. The story cuts away right after Number Zero blasts him -- a WorldHealingWave could have followed. Why bother to construct a dystopian empire by hand if you have the power to do it magically? |
| 525 | |
| 526 | !Unexplained apologies |
| 527 | * What were Number 1 and Number 362 apologizing for at the end of "Operation: ZERO"? Number 362 says, "You were right -- if you'd listened to me, we'd all be making tapioca by now." While she ''does'' owe Number 1 an apology for how she treated him after the Moon Base attack, her orders in no way affected what happened. Number 1 disobeyed her order by going back and saving the museum, but the adults stole the recommissioning module anyway. Had Number 1 listened to her instead and gone right to the Moon Base, the outcome would have been the same -- the adults ''still'' would have stolen the module, and Father ''still'' would have brought Grandfather back. Number 1 then apologizes because "I put myself before the team." While he's certainly guilty of recklessness and not thinking things through, and possibly cockiness, "putting himself before the team" was never an issue, either in this movie or at any other point in the series. Yes, they should both apologize for how they acted in Act I... but ''not'' for the reasons they give. They apologize for things completely unconnected to the things they ''should'' be apologizing for. |
| 528 | |
| 529 | !!Shouldn't he be Decommissioned? |
| 530 | * Number T/The Tommy is no longer a KND member, but he still assists them. Isn't that a good thing since KND members get their memories erased when they reach a certain age? Since he operates outside KND, is he safe from mind wiping? |
| 531 | ** Considering that kids that work with or are under the aid of the KND don't get ''their'' memories wiped, and only KND operatives and escapees get their memories wiped by them, probably not. |
| 532 | |
| 533 | !!NoodleIncident in the ''J.E.W.E.L'' episode |
| 534 | * Operation J.E.W.E.L explains that what happened in Guatemala was that Abigal (Numbuh 5) left Heinrich to be caught with a bag of sacred caramels and he was grounded for a month, but Operation C.A.R.A.M.E.L reveals that Heinrich was cursed by a caramel-making ritual that stole his/her femininity. How did the Guatemala Incident go from a ritual to theft? |
| 535 | ** Heinrich also said that he ate almost all of his sacred caramels, and each person cursed gets a bag of caramels of their own. People do stupid things when they're desperate, and if Heinrich thought that eating the caramels would remove the curse, the only option after running out was to eat somebody else's. He probably tricked someone else into doing the ritual to steal their caramels and got caught in the act. |
| 536 | |
| 537 | !!The Strange Blue Eyes |
| 538 | * Could Mr. B have been a baby that had been delightfulized? He has the bright blue eyes of everyone who has been delightfulized. |
| 539 | !!More on where babies came from |
| 540 | * Call it over-thinking, but how exactly did kids reproduce before Adults came into the picture? Assuming A.R.C.H.I.V.E. was canon in the KND universe and not some made-up lore, does this imply [[{{Squick}} children were having sex]]? Do they use 2-4 Technology to create new Children the same way they created Adults? Can kids still reproduce like this today? I know this is a kid's show, but still... |
| 541 | |
| 542 | !!Could have used a sign, bruh. |
| 543 | * If Mr. Washer was sick of Numbuh 2 and Kid constantly bringing chili dogs into his shop, why didn't he just put a "No Food or Drink" sign in his window? |
| 544 | ** Considering that Numbah 2 is a rebellious kid, a sign isn't guaranteed to work on him. |
| 545 | |
| 546 | !!What happened to male villains |
| 547 | * Since Madame Margaret from "Operation F.U.T.U.R.E is pretty much-causing gendercide and a BadFuture, where were the adult villains like Father and Mr. Boss at the time, and why didn't they try to fight her and ruin their plans... unless she took care of them offscreen. |
| 548 | ** Actually, considering the plot of the episode, she prolly turned them into women. |
| 549 | |
| 550 | !!Shouldn't they be sad? |
| 551 | * Okay, what was up with Numbuh 1's parents' faces in Operation: INTERVIEWS? They seemed unconcerned that their only born son was leaving for space and never coming back. Considering how much they love their son, wouldn't it have made more sense if they'd refused to let him go? |
| 552 | ** Perhaps, it's to emphasize that they're GoodParents. It probably hurts them that he's left and isn't returning but, on the other hand, they love him and supports him no matter what, especially if he's going away to protect them and kids. |
| 553 | |
| 554 | !!Shouldn't she be cold |
| 555 | * Just, what was with Sonia's outfit in Operation: T.R.A.I.N.I.N.G.? From what she wore, she wore a jacket, earmuffs, warm boots, mittens, and the same pleated skirt she wears with her usual outfit, but no leg coverings. Wouldn't Sonia get hypothermia in a place as cold as the arctic? |
| 556 | ** She could be wearing a thick but, otherwise, wool skirt. |
| 557 | |
| 558 | !!The Mole |
| 559 | * The reveal in "Operation: A.R.C.T.I.C." was that Sector V's comrade in the mission, Numbah 30c, was TheMole to Professor Triple-Extra-Large, and did everything to sabotage them from stopping the doctor's plans: making the perfect snowcone. However, on the way to the professor's lab, Numbah 2 says they passed the facility they were supposed to attack, for he was going to make a weather control device to prevent snow days. 30c looks over and tells Numbah 2 that "you got the coordinates wrong". It was only because of that statement that they went after the wrong mad scientist; if they had stopped the weather control device as planned, the kids would have had a big snow day, and XXXL could have perfected his snowcone. Everyone wins. If 30c was THAT determined to help the doctor, he should have told Numbah 2 to turn around so they didn't even get into a fight over it. Did he want a challenge with Sector V? Did he like the other doctor's plan? Or was he just an idiot like Numbah 4? |
| 560 | !!Are her family ET's too? |
| 561 | * If Lizzie is an alien, what does that say about her family in G.I.R.L.F.R.I.E.N.D.? |
| 562 | ** Either they're [[StandInParents robots, or other aliens in disguise]]. |
| 563 | !!Teen Ninjas |
| 564 | * Okay, allow me to ask: who started the Teen Ninjas in the first place, and, if it was formed before Father and the Delightful Children, what did they all do? |
| 565 | ** They probably started themselves. Since Cree and Chad were kids that didn't get decommissioned, it's safe to assume that some of the teens are in the same boat, while the rest are non-KND teens who just agreed to join. Not every teen has to be a decommissioned KND member, probably. It would also explain their high-tech. |
| 566 | !!That timeline don't work |
| 567 | * Was Leona from operation F.O.U.N.T.A.I.N. a member of the first age of the Kids Next Door? This question comes from the fact that Leona is more than 300 years old, her desire to remain a kid forever, and the fact that Numbuh 0 founded the second age of the Kids Next Door. |
| 568 | ** Numbuh 0 founded the seventh age of the Kids Next Door. However, her being from one of the first couple of ages before makes sense. She would have been around the time of the alamode. |
| 569 | !!How did Grandpa Uno go from Grandpa to Grandfather |
| 570 | * How did Grandpa Uno become Grandfather in the first place, did he make a deal with the devil or some other demon to become that weird Black Shadow monster or was he born a shadow monster? |
| 571 | ** Likely born with it. If you go back to the fifth C.A.K.E.D. episode Father called the Annoyingly Cute Triplets' mother his Great Granny. Then take a look at the silhouetted person in the photos behind the triplets. |
| 572 | ** That and if he was born that way, he and Father wouldn't have human forms, otherwise it would've surely affected Numbuh 1 and Monty's appearances. |
| 573 | *** From what's implied with Father, Grandpa might've had a rather traumatic upbringing and that triggered his powers. |
| 574 | !!Nice going, Tommy! |
| 575 | * Why did Tommy not mention that he added Father and the Delightful Children to the Code Module? That was a last-ditch plan that should have been undone as soon as it was thought up. He could have everyone a lot of trouble during Operation I.T if he had just said something. So why didn't he? |
| 576 | ** Maybe he told them off-screen or it was fairly simple to figure out. They knew he removed himself from the code module so he didn't turn into an animal, but that alone wouldn't be enough to defeat Father and the Delightful. Putting them into the code module and turning them into animals was the only way Tommy could win. Besides they would surely want to know how he saved the day just to hear how awesome it was and more importantly get details for mission reports. |
| 577 | !!How does she have a Negative counterpart, anyways |
| 578 | * Since Lizzie is an alien, what does that say for her negative counterpart? |
| 579 | ** A bigger question is did she love Nigel or was it a charade? And why did she make him attack the other operatives with the boyfriend helmet if she’s a GKND the whole time? Was that even necessary? |
| 580 | *** There are more than several moments to imply that she fell InLoveWithTheMark. If she didn't love him, she would have no reason to get genuinely jealous whenever someone tries to take her "Nigey". She genuinely trusts Nigel Uno to save her and the day and even makes him plot-relevant soup. Heck, she even has a room full of ''pictures of Nigel!'' I guess that at first she was pretending but grew to genuinely love Uno. As for the latter, it was probably just to cover up her involvement with the GKND. Also, your response still fails to answer my question. |
| 581 | !!Why isn't she allowed to use the code? |
| 582 | * Is it ever explained why Numbah 5 isn't allowed to use the code to override all treehouse codes, even though she's the only one allowed to use it? The only reason I can think of why is that it's for the worst of extremely worst-case scenarios. |
| 583 | !!They kind of wasted that moment |
| 584 | * Why didn't Numbuh 1 discuss Chad never being a traitor and the fact that KND operatives who turn 13 can remain as such in Operation I.N.T.E.R.V.I.E.W.? It could've been interesting to see what he thought about all that further in the grand finale. |
| 585 | |
| 586 | !!Shouldn't there be a better name? |
| 587 | * Why "Kids Next Door"? Couldn't they have come up with a better name for their organization than KIDS NEXT DOOR? |
| 588 | ** The idea is that they help kids in need, so the name could be a reference to the fact that they'll like quickly be there to help like they're only next door. |
| 589 | !!Decomissioning for a third time |
| 590 | * Why the decommissioning? They could've just created a splinter organization for operatives over the age of 12. By decommissioning them, the KND is just creating their enemies if you think about it. |
| 591 | ** They do more or less do that, as shown with Maurice. |
| 592 | |
| 593 | !!Teens Next Door recruitment. |
| 594 | * So if the Teens Next Door is meant for only the best of the best operative, how exactly were Nigel's parents (literal founder of the 7th age of the KND and first female operative of the 7th age of the KND respectively) decommissioned? I feel like they would have been some of the first picks to join so they could keep spreading their wisdom and guidance to future operatives. |
| 595 | ** What makes you think they weren't offered the position? By the end of the movie Nigel's dad willingly sabotaged his chance to be recommissed in order to be a good father. It's very possible they chose retirement instead of joining Teens Next Door. |
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