| 1 | * In "Deep", Aggregor takes planet Piscciss's artificial gravity multiplier, without which the planet's liquid atmosphere drifts into space. Ben uses Goop's anti-gravity projection disc to put the planet back together, but what happened after Ben transformed back? The planet still doesn't have a gravity multiplier, wouldn't the atmosphere start to drift away again? |
| 2 | ** Apparently, the gravity emitter stayed in place, with the Ultimatrix providing a new one for Goop’s future appearances. |
| 3 | * How was Chromastone [[StrongAsTheyNeedToBe knocked out by electricity]]? |
| 4 | ** Chromastone needs to actively absorb energy. If he gets caught off guard, he can't absorb it. |
| 5 | * In "Duped", Ben uses [[SelfDuplication Echo Echo]] and the Ultimatrix to duplicate his human form so he can go do three different things at once. In the middle of this, he is forced to contact his doubles. He does this on his cell phone, calling his duplicates' ''identical cell phones''[[note]]While the physical cellphones would have duplicated just fine, there's the tiny question of what the number(s) of the duplicate phones were[[/note]]. |
| 6 | ** This could been akin to calling your own voicemail, though I suppose (in their world, anyway) that if you call the number, you call whatever phone it's programmed into. |
| 7 | ** Furthermore, it seemed it would've made more sense for Sensitive Ben to be the one watching Julie's tennis match and Jerkass Ben be fighting the Forever Knights with Kevin. |
| 8 | *** Yes, but when they were deciding who would go where, Sensitive Ben takes the 'short straw' of fighting the Forever Knights because he knows the other Bens don't want to. |
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| 10 | * Also in "Duped", other than RuleOfFunny, was there absolutely ''any'' reason for the Ultimatrix to split Ben's personalities among the clones? There never seems to be ''any'' explanation for this kind of thing whenever it comes up ''anywhere''! |
| 11 | ** I'm assuming the transformation caused "errors" in the production. Echo Echo is synthetic, so his personality isn't much of a question when he Dupes; turning into a human/alie form just revealed what Echo Echo's robotic nature kept moot. |
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| 14 | * In "Video Games", Harangue states that his fight against Ben is broadcast live. Shouldn't the audience have ''seen'' that it was him breaking stuff with his [[Franchise/TheIncredibles Omnidroid knockoff]] and ''not'' Ben? That trick of reversing the footage to make it look like Humongousaur was pulling the monument down shouldn't have worked. Though, we don't know the audience's reaction, so it's likely that it ''didn't''. |
| 15 | ** Yeah, plus, anyone can go look at the Washington Monument and see that it isn't pulled down. |
| 16 | *** Not to mention that while Ben's solution to the robot knowing "all" of his moves worked, there were at least two more obvious solutions that he could've gone with. Instead of using Nanomech, which was too small to scan, he could've easily used his most powerful alien, Way Big, which was too ''big'' to scan. Or he could've used the Ultimate version of Humongousaur, which probably also wasn't scanned and would've at least allowed him to match the robot's firepower. |
| 17 | *** While the reasoning may be contrived, one has to give them credit for using it as a means to get Nanomech doing the only thing that form really IS useful for, going inside a machine. Way Big would of been just another pound it into submission. And not necessarily too big to record, they'd just need to go outdoors and have a -lot- more balls. |
| 18 | *** Waybig is too big to use in D.C. He may as well be called Collateral Damage Man. The AwesomeButImpractical factor is why he uses Fourarms or Humongosaur when he needs to punch things instead of Waybig. |
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| 20 | * Where in the Null Void does [[spoiler:Will Harangue, a freakin' ''news anchor'']] get [[strike:14]] [[strike:36]] ''140 MILLION DOLLARS'' to build a giant Ben-hunting spider-tank robot?! |
| 21 | ** Maybe he's rich and just really likes being a news anchor/supervillain. People need their hobbies. |
| 22 | ** OffscreenVillainDarkMatter? |
| 23 | *** Have you seen how much O'Reilly makes? Pundits like that can bring in some big change. |
| 24 | *** According to WordOfGod he lied about costs. |
| 25 | *** And considering he upped the amount he said he spent by ridiculous amounts more than once in the episode, that really should have been obvious. |
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| 27 | * Nanomech sounds like a little girl now. |
| 28 | ** Perspective sound. He's tiny, so he has a tiny voice to normal-size people. Yes, even you and me, for close-ups. After all, Creator/DeeBradleyBaker only has so many voices. |
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| 30 | * In "Video Games", Ben muses that although he'd like his game to have two-player co-op play, that would make no sens since there's only one of him and it'd be weird to have multiple Bens running around. Except in "Duped", he found out that he ''can'' create multiple Bens with all his powers intact. |
| 31 | ** A LampshadeHanging, perhaps? |
| 32 | ** Maybe he was saying one person would control Ben, and the other would control Gwen/Ken. |
| 33 | ** That's hardly FridgeLogic, considering multiple video games let two characters use the same character. Hell, in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'', Mario and Dr. Mario were two completely separate characters. |
| 34 | ** It's possibly a reference to the console versions of Protector of Earth and Alien Force: The Game, which included two-player co-op with two identical Bens as the characters. |
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| 36 | * Also in "Video Games," Will Harangue launches missiles at the White House and apparently gets away with it. He should be rotting in Guantanamo Bay right now. |
| 37 | ** That was the Capitol Building. |
| 38 | ** Of course, he ''did'' try pass the whole thing off as Ben trying to frame him. Though, as was pointed out in the main article, how can he blame Ben for the attack, when the attack itself was aired live? |
| 39 | *** Even so, nobody in Washington DC was watching? A superhero gets called out on national television and nobody goes to the very public place to see it? Not even, say, security guards who should be patrolling the area? |
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| 41 | * Does Will Harangue genuinely believe Ben to be a menace, or is he trying to frame him as one? And if it's the latter, why? |
| 42 | ** It seems to be a little of both, simply because he can. It's like why J. Jonah Jameson slams on Spider-Man every chance he gets; there's really no known reason. He just doesn't like the kid for whatever reason. Maybe they'll tell us more as the show progresses. |
| 43 | ** I don't want to be That Guy, but J. Jonah actually does it because he hates anyone who wears a mask. Something to do with some robber in his past. |
| 44 | *** Harangue makes me wonder why he's so extreme, as for all his faults Jameson just tries to get Spider-man '''arrested'''. This guy was ''actually'' trying to flat out '''kill''' Ben. A plot reason is needed that's better the '''ratings'''. |
| 45 | *** Maybe he somehow realizes that Ben is the agent of a corrupt external government that considers Earth it's property and is so indifferent to the populace that it would essentially give somebody the 'legal' authority to change the atmosphere so that it would wipe out all 6 billion of them. |
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| 47 | * In his entire fight against the Harangue-controlled robot, why does it not occur to Ben to ever go ultimate with at least one of the aliens? Or just do what he does at the end and use Way Big to smash it between his fingers? This Troper is fairly sure that Way Big was much too large to use for the scanning, and thus the robot had no defenses against it. |
| 48 | ** IdiotBall. They needed him to pad out the episode. |
| 49 | ** Ben has also stated, in the first episode, that he doesn't go Ultimate because he wants "to scare [his enemies/the paparazzi], not [himself]." So it sounds like he has some fear of his Ultimate forms; a lack of complete control, perhaps? |
| 50 | ** It could also be that he did actually try, but the Ultimatrix forced him into Swampfire. |
| 51 | -->'''Ben:''' Swampfire! ...was not what I was going for. |
| 52 | ** Actually, he was going for Chromastone, not Ultimate form. |
| 53 | *** Look at Big Chill/Ultimate Big Chill ([[PreAsskickingOneLiner "Flames so cold they burn!"]]), or Spidermonkey/Ultimate Spidermonkey (SuperStrength and stronger webbing). The formula for Ultimate forms seems to be "the same as the base form, but up to eleven". So he doesn't have any real guarantee that going ultimate will change his moveset enough to confuse [[Franchise/TheIncredibles the Omnidroid]]. Sure, Humongousaur/Ultimate Humongousaur has [[MacrossMissileMassacre missiles]], but the last time he saw that one, [[EvilTwin Albedo]] was using it to [[CurbStompBattle curb stomp him]]. I'd be scared of that form, too. |
| 54 | *** Also, Azmuth outright said the evolution feature was "just asking for trouble". If the creator of the Omnitrix tells you something like that, odds are you'll be at least somewhat hesitant not to use it. |
| 55 | *** When has Ben ever listened ti Azimuth's advice? |
| 56 | ** Also, how did Harangue get scans of [[BlobMonster Goop]]? ''Did'' he get scans of Goop? |
| 57 | *** Since Goop wouldn't have been too small to scan, yes. |
| 58 | *** The Headscratcher with Goop isn't that he's too small to scan, it's that he's too [[BlobMonster soupy]] to wear the motion-capture suit they were using for the scanning process. |
| 59 | *** Goop can be solid when he wants to be. Ben could keep the suit on while moving around. |
| 60 | *** Yeah, but most of Goop's moves involve changing how solid he is. How would they get scans of those moves? |
| 61 | *** Goop could stay relatively solid while bending and contorting. The only problem would be trickier moves like melting, which the computer likely didn't have on file. |
| 62 | *** It doesn't bug anyone that they did mo-cap to learn all of Ben's aliens' moves so the robot can counter them but then proceed to have Harangue control the robot manually? Was he just hitting switches that activated a counter measure? And if so what was the point of motion capture in the first place? Couldn't they have just observed what the aliens' powers were and gone from there? |
| 63 | *** Speaking of the motion capture, what exactly is that suit made out of? I wasn't aware that Earth was developing material that automatically adjusts to fit literally ANY size. |
| 64 | *** A whole lotta spandex, or possibly the old Omnitrix system of adapting the clothes of the wearer. |
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| 66 | * Azmuth said the Ultimatrix/Omnitrix had ALL the Alien DNA in the Universe, didn't it? So why didn't it recognize the Bivalvan or Galapagos' DNA signature? |
| 67 | ** He said it had all the alien DNA in the ''galaxy'', and Bivalvan said he and the other four aliens Aggregor captured are from the Andromeda Galaxy, millions of lightyears away. |
| 68 | *** To be more precise, approximately 2.5 million light-years away. |
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| 70 | * What, exactly, can ultimate Big Chill do that regular Big Chill can't? I see no difference other than color scheme. |
| 71 | ** Ultimate Big Chill's power is ice flames. Fire so cold, it burns. Basically, dry ice. |
| 72 | *** So it freezes things? Like normal Big Chill does? Again, the only meaningful difference there is color scheme. |
| 73 | *** Plus, the ice flames seem to have a larger area of effect than regular Big Chill's icy breath. |
| 74 | *** Except normal Big Chill once froze a chunk of rock the size of a small island and the building on top of it with seemingly no problem when he fought Doctor Animo in the last series. The other Ultimate Forms all have some kind unique talent that their normal forms did not (Homing-Missile spikes, Methane Bombs, Sonic disks .etc.) but Ultimate Big Chill hasn't exhibited any traits (as of the last time I remember) that his basic self didn't have aside from the altered color scheme the first Troper mentioned. |
| 75 | *** It's been said by WordOfGod that the ice flames suck the energy out of what they pass over and use that to burn, likely freezing more effectively than regular Big Chill. Most of the things froze by Big Chill are just covered in a layer of ice, Ultimate Big Chill probably freezes far more effectively. Also, if you look at it, they freeze ''faster'' than normal Big Chill, Big Chill takes a constant stream of his breath to do it, Ultimate Big Chill causes instant glaciers almost. So it seems he's able to freeze far more effectively than the normal one. |
| 76 | *** Again, what can Ultimate Big Chill do that regular Big Chill cannot? Ultimate Big Chill doesn't have a UNIQUE talent that his regular form doesn't. Saying that Ultimate Big Chill can freeze things better is like saying Ultimate Humungousaur has more physical strength than his regular form. Every Ultimate form has an extra ability that their regular form did not, even Ultimate Wildmutt (who can speak coherently). |
| 77 | *** Let's put it this way, Ultimate Big Chill doesn't just coat things in ice, it sucks the energy out of them. This means not only can it freeze things colder than normal, it'd be more effective for things that constantly radiate heat. It'd also, theoretically, give Big Chill a greater resistance to them, since he hasn't used it all that often, we can't be sure. Still, it's more effective at freezing by far. |
| 78 | *** That is not a difference.Cold things conduct heat and become warm themselves, cooling the initial object by taking it's energy. If you apply this here, there is no difference except that there's a cool visual. The attack covers the objects surface, the heat is drawn out, and then the energy is released. The only variation is that burning the energy away (heating up the air, which should actually melt the ice ''faster'') sounds better then letting it go through convection.-Really, how dose it absorb enough energy to burn anyways? that much heat concentration should be melt the forming ice as it burns. Ice flames do make more sense then creating mountains of ice by blowing cold air on it, an we accept THAT break from reality. |
| 79 | *** Ultimate forms don't necessarily have unique powers, all that the Ultimatrix does is simulate them for 1000 generations under the harshest conditions, its unlikely that ultimate big chill would need to evolve that much under harsh conditions because it can already turn intangible and freeze things the only thing that would really be advantageous at that point is reducing the time that it takes to freeze things all the way. |
| 80 | *** As many other have said Ultimate Big Chill's unique powers is that it's fire ice as opposed to regular ice. |
| 81 | * How does the Ultimatrix scan P'andor's suit? The suit isn't organic. The Ultimatrix should scan his true form, not the suit he's in. |
| 82 | ** You could make the same argument about [=XLR8's=] visor. My [[WildMassGuessing guess]] is that the containment suit bonded to P'andor's DNA, but I haven't seen that episode yet, so feel free to correct me. |
| 83 | ** In the ad, it's clearly seen that P'andor is scanned in his true form, after he is released from the containment suit. |
| 84 | ** And now we have the issue that [[spoiler: Aggregor's OneWingedAngel form]] has parts of P'andor's suit integrated into it. |
| 85 | *** And Ben outright transforms into the suited version of the alien. |
| 86 | ** According to [[WordOfGod Ask Dwayne]], Ben scanned the suit separately and used the Omnitrix to add it to the NRG transformation. In keeping with Alien Force tradition, this never gets an explanation on screen, because what do they care about suspension of disbelief? |
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| 88 | * As mentioned earlier, P'andor is an EnergyBeing. Exactly how did the Omnitrix get a genetic scan of such a creature? If Anodites, by WordOfGod, cannot be scanned for this reason, it stands to reason the same would apply here. |
| 89 | ** Maybe Anodites are ''pure'' energy, while P'andor is made of mere [[BuffySpeak energetic... stuff]]. Of course, "PureEnergy" already [[PureEnergy fails science forever]]... |
| 90 | *** According do Dwayne, Pandor isn't EnergyBeing, but just a radioactive flying alien that can pass through most objects like Big Chill. |
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| 92 | * On the subject of P'andor. Is Gwen really that stupid? How does Pandor not being happy in his suit outweigh the fact that he is a living dirty bomb on the scale of importance? It's like allowing someone to detonate a dirty bomb because he would be sad otherwise. |
| 93 | ** On the same subject, how does Gwen not lose her hair or get cancer after all of that crap happened? Oh wait, that's right. |
| 94 | *** Radiation poisoning only causes such problems based on the time and level of exposure. Even a live nuclear reactor would take a lot longer than her exposure level to cause serious immediate damage. |
| 95 | ** Gwen seems to be going through some personality changes. Between this and "Duped," she's become some sort of hyper-judgmental ass, like the Gwen from the original series but worse because she's always wrong and no longer 10, where that behavior was acceptable. |
| 96 | *** Which makes sense, because Ben's gone back to his original series [[IdiotHero characterization]]. Which doesn't mean I wouldn't like to see someone call her out on it. |
| 97 | *** Except Ben wasn't quite this stupid back when he was 10, and Gwen was actually frequently right in the original series. Plus, y'know, they were 10. Maybe if they cared, they could write believable versions of Ben and Gwen as teenagers on this show without either completely throwing out their established personalities or making them worse. |
| 98 | *** Gwen was frequently "right" because [[CanonSue the writers liked her]]. |
| 99 | *** She was wrong about once a season and was useless in combat for half the series. I'd rather her at least have the grounds of being right all the time to be bossy instead of just being bitchy. |
| 100 | *** It's less Ben going back to his ten-year old characterization,as it's him getting a swollen ego from the fame. In the original series, he would frequently use the Omnitrix to goof off, and let's face it, most of us would have done the same. By the beginning of Alien Force, he's learned that [[ComesGreatResponsibility with great power, comes great responsibility]], at the beginning of this series, he's famous galaxy-wide, and it's gone to his head. |
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| 102 | * With Gwen openly using her powers in public alongside Ben why hasn't it been addressed that she should be somewhat famous along with Ben? |
| 103 | ** Cause... she's not special enough? |
| 104 | ** She's mind wiping people? |
| 105 | *** ''Aliens'' kind of beats out a chick with pink energy. The Ben 10 Universe already has superheroes (as Captain Nemesis shows us) so the FirstContact implications probably beats it out. |
| 106 | * How does the Ultimatrix have ultimate forms? What ARE the ultimate aliens, anyway? Is it like Pokemon, where it's the same alien but... evolved, somehow? |
| 107 | ** Artificial evolution, presumably. It's unlikely these things are natural. |
| 108 | ** Of course the meta explanation is that these "ultimate" forms are a gimmick designed to bring in more children. In story, however, I can only guess that Azumuth created the Ultimatrix to serve as a better weapon than the original. It's the only reason I can fathom as to why he'd need an omnitrix with a "make alien tougher" setting. |
| 109 | *** Or, y'know, ForScience! |
| 110 | *** Azmuth didn't create the "ultimate alien" function. Albedo did. Confirmed by [=Dwayne McDuffie=], Albedo jury-rigged the core of the Ultimatrix, and cobbled it together, thus creating creating the evolution function, which according to [=McDuffie=], has no useful purpose other than violence. |
| 111 | *** Which [[FridgeBrilliance keys into]] how the original Omnitrix wasn't designed as a weapon in the first place. The Ultimatrix is just taking a peaceful technology and converting it into a weapon, a practice that unfortunately is [[RealLife all too real.]] |
| 112 | ** [[WordOfGod Dwayne McDuffie]] says that the Ultimate forms are what the species would be like after 10,000 or so years of civil war. |
| 113 | *** The Ultimate forms were created by running a simulation of a 10 thousand year civil war between all the different aliens in the Ultamatrix, then taking the genetically created traits from the survivors and adding them to the aliens. |
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| 117 | * What bugs me is that every alien [[PunyHumans except humans]] has superpowers, but more so that these aliens refer to their abilities as "superpowers." It's not a ''super'' power if it's the natural ability of your species! Since when did humans become the standard? And then there's the whole ComboPlatterPowers thing. Take Big Chill, for example. {{Flight}}? [[AnIcePerson Ice powers]]? [[IntangibleMan Intangibility]]? How do those things go togeth...[[WesternAnimation/DannyPhantom oh wait]]. |
| 118 | ** In my experience, a lot of this seems to be not just a problem with the Franchise/Ben10 franchise, but whenever you get aliens in a superhero-verse- they'll almost always have superhuman abilities in some form, and these will almost always be treated interchangeably with human superpowers. See exhibit a: Franchise/{{Superman}} and related characters. |
| 119 | ** Superman isn't the best example, considering that his abilities aren't exactly natural, considering that naturally he wouldn't have yellow sunlight. ''ComicBook/MartianManhunter'', on the other hand... |
| 120 | *** You didn't see all those Plumber's kids. Our power is being able to mate and have kids with any non-earth based life-form no matter how badly it defies science. Helen's pictures of kids they've caught included some part Vulpimancer thing. Isn't that bestiality? |
| 121 | *** Wait, did they say it was half-human? Maybe it was a Vulpimancer-Earth canine hybrid? |
| 122 | *** ''That'' is what would be bestiality. Vulpimancers are sentient; Azmuth said he'd long been collecting the DNA of every ''sentient'' race in the galaxy (exact quote may be different.) Even if they're a bit too alien to look sentient to us at first glance. Also, it might have been a full Vulpimancer. |
| 123 | ** Apparently, sometime in the future after millennia of civil war, human beings will have the power to copy any alien's special power and use it for themselves (if "Ben 10'000 Returns" is anything to go by). |
| 124 | *** It [[FridgeBrilliance makes sense when you think about it]]. Humans became the dominant species on Earth because while they had no physical adaptations, (or alien superpowers for the analogy) they had the ability to use what other animals had to their advantage, such as clothing from animal skin, shelter from animal bone, weapons from animal bone and tree branches, etc. In short, humans were able to use the adaptations of animals for their own benefit. If Ultimate Aliens is the power of the alien taken up to eleven, then the concept applied to humans would be the ability to use the powers of other aliens for their own benefit. |
| 125 | *** This troper would like to point out that what the above troper suggests is not an entirely accurate metaphor for what Ultimate Ben actually does. What Ultimate Ben does is like if a human could run as fast as a cheetah or be as strong as an elephant. Using animal parts as resources hardly constitutes as "using their adaptations". |
| 126 | *** Taking a note from the WMG page, it might be that Ultimate Ben is the result of millions of years of interbreeding until a human race with the powers of a bajillion different aliens is created. |
| 127 | *** It may be more if Ben survived a millennium of using the Ultimatrix, it would allow him to use any alien's ability he has a scan of. |
| 128 | *** I always assumed that given the Plumbers have members from nearly every sentient species in the galaxy that there is probably some kind of inter-species government similar to the Federation from ''Franchise/StarTrek'' and since aliens would be interacting with other species who had different powers to them they would consider their natural abilities to be "superpowers" based on the fact that not all species can do that. |
| 129 | ** You have to remember everything an alien says is being fed through a translator, maybe 'superpower' is just the closest English word to whatever word they use. |
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| 132 | * In the new episode "Hero Time", Ben meets his childhood idol. Captain Nemesis. It's made clear early on to the audience that this guys isn't a 'good guy', but no one in the show itself seems to notice that his name is Captain ''Nemesis''. Then he later comments that he's thinking of dropping the 'Captain' part. |
| 133 | ** And at the end of the episode, he decides he needs a new, villainous name. So, he comes up with... Overlord? Did the writers, like, ''not realize'' his name is synonymous with "bad guy", or something? |
| 134 | ** Seems to be an [[ShoutOut Homage]] to the LSH's [[ComicBook/LegionOfSuperHeroes NemesisKid]] |
| 135 | *** Ah, but you forget. [[DarkIsNoEvil Dark is not evil]] |
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| 137 | * Oh, and same episode. Ben needs to win a race, so he calls on... Jetray? What happened to [=XLR8=]? |
| 138 | ** He doesn't have access to [=XLR8=]. Hasn't since the original series ended. Just because he's in the theme song doesn't mean he's in the show. |
| 139 | *** Isn't the Ultimatrix supposed to have ''all'' of Ben's aliens, though? |
| 140 | *** Yes, but [=XLR8=] hasn't been reunlocked yet; remember, Ben was surprised when he went Four-Arms. A race would have been a great time for [=XLR8=] to redebut, though. |
| 141 | *** Yes, the Ultimatrix has all of Ben's aliens, but it hasn't unlocked them all for Ben's use. It's a misleading theme song. Remember Albedo couldn't find Greymatter. |
| 142 | *** Albedo couldn't find Greymatter in his Ultimatrix because it is still synchronised to Ben's Omnitrix. That's why he wants to destroy it. Ben's Omnitrix is later destroyed and if Albedo is right, it should unlock all of the aliens in the Ultimatrix. |
| 143 | *** Ben didn't have access to all his previous aliens until Ben 10,000 unlocked them for him, along with new ones. |
| 144 | * Shouldn't Aggregor have a [[strike:Pryosapien]] Pyronite as a prisoner also? I mean there living fire, and maybe [[strike:Floaromma]] Florauna and Loadstar while he is at it. |
| 145 | ** Aggregor seems to want the specific five he captured. Why? We'll find out... |
| 146 | ** He wants the [[spoiler: Map of Infinity, a...[[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin map of the entire universe]]. So he can go to Alien X's breeding grounds and siphon power off a [[PoweredByAForsakenChild newborn Alien X]].]] |
| 147 | ** Though the only one of them that is useful specifically for that task is Galapagus, whose immunity to mana is invaluable in Legerdomain. Other than him, he didn't really need anything more specific than "powerful aliens." |
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| 149 | * How stupid were those people who kidnapped what's her face at the beginning of Hero Time? Don't most kidnappers give more than an hour for the ransom. |
| 150 | ** They were hired by Captain Nemesis so he could make a comeback as a hero. Nothing about their plan had to make sense, because their plan wasn't real. |
| 151 | *** D'you think someone would catch on to it being rigged? I mean if he beats them, the police arrest them, then they blab. |
| 152 | *** Captain Nemesis hired lawyers to get them off. As long as they felt they were getting payed, they would not say a word. Blabbing would not only still put them in jail, but they'd lose their paycheck. |
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| 154 | * So do wizards do, or do not need their magic stuff to use spells? Gwen doesn't count, she's a Anodite. But Hex was powerless without Charms of Bezel, and latter without staff. Charmcaster, on the other hand now doesn't use her bag of tricks anymore or spell-book. Sure, she has her own staff, but she doesn't use it much. I guess that her clothes are enchanted clothes with Sleeves of Infinite Holding (at least in Ben 10: classic), but that leads to another question: why she could use powers with Gwen's body, or rather why she wasn't surprised that she could do it. |
| 155 | ** Presumably Charmcaster has no need for a spell-book because she's already memorized all the spells that were in it. And is using spells that lack a vocal component because that makes them harder to interrupt. |
| 156 | *** And you suggest that Hex didn't memorize even one spell? |
| 157 | *** [[WordOfGod Word of Dwayne]] is that you need a certain amount of inborn talent to cast spells without those kind of props. Presumably Hex has tremendous magical ''knowledge'', but not enough actual talent to make the magic work without something amplifying him. Charmcaster simply has more talent, and Gwen, as half-Anodite, has ''a lot'' of talent. |
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| 159 | * One thing that is consistent between all of the various Ben 10 series is that at no point do Ben, Gwen, Grandpa Max, Kevin, or pretty much anyone else who deals with aliens and/or monsters ever make a secret of what they do, who they are, or who they're related to. Somehow, though, it is only ''after'' some kid makes the connection on the internet that 2+2=4 that Ben becomes famous and his enemies (all of whom know ''exactly'' who he and his friends and family are) attack his family. There's also that part at the end of the first episode of Ultimate Alien where JT and Cash lead the school in applauding Ben when he shows up after being "outed" as a super hero like this sudden news gives them and everyone else new found respect for Ben. This doesn't really jibe with the fact that JT, Cash, and presumably a great deal of their class already know Ben is a shape-shifting superhero because he went hero and fought Cash in the first season Alien Force episode "The Gauntlet." |
| 160 | ** WordofGod did confirm that "they did know his secret already". they probably we're too lazy to tell them or just decided to forget about it. Or maybe they didn't tell because Kevin would knock the s*** out of them. |
| 161 | *** Who's "they"? JT and Cash? The other students? The super villains? Everyone in the country? That's kinda the point I was getting at: Ben and company never once hid what they did or who they were, yet it isn't until some kid blogs about it on the internet that anyone anywhere goes "The same Ben Ten(nyson) that every one of us has seen shape-shift into aliens and beat the hell out of super-villains and monsters and aliens is ''actually'' Ben Ten, the shape-shifting alien superhero who beats the hell out of super-villains and monsters and aliens?! We'd better start worshiping/targeting him now that we've learned his awesome 'secret!'" |
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| 163 | * Ben transforms into Big Chill on the Necrofriggian home world (or the planet they call home?) safe in the knowledge that the form can withstand the environment given the immediate presence of others like it. He makes a pretty big assumption about the other aliens he changes into throughout the episode though. More offensive is that his assumptions turn out to be perfectly safe. |
| 164 | ** One of those aliens is at least partially machine; the other two are enormously tough. Seems fairly logical they were able to survive as long as they did (which was, after all, only a few minutes each). |
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| 166 | * Why, other than the obvious "it drives the plot" reason, did Gwen ever think it was a good idea to go along with Cash and JT's plan to take credit for Ben's acts? Seriously, who would ever think it was even a kind of good idea? this is before they pulled out "my mom needs an operation," even. |
| 167 | ** IdiotBall, pure and simple. Obviously she got suckered into their sob story (which in itself is pretty dumb) and decided to go with it. The plot would have made more sense if Kevin pushed for after they offered to pay him, but then Gwen would never let it slide. |
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| 169 | * How does Ben get swarmed by fangirls, but Kevin get virtually ignored? He's the hunky bad boy, why would the women not want him? |
| 170 | ** They fear Gwen? And the guys leave Gwen be because they fear Kevin? Julie can't break their skulls without trouble, they have no need to fear repercussion. |
| 171 | ** It probably has to do with the fact that Kevin and Gwen are never seen as anything other than Ben's [[{{Sidekick}} sidekicks]] or [[TagalongKid tagalongs]] by the general public in the Franchise/Ben10 universe. At most they might be viewed by some people as Ben's entourage, but that's probably the best they can hope for. |
| 172 | *** Not buying it, for two reasons: The Kardashians and Oprah's friend Gayle. Friends of celebrities are celebrities. |
| 173 | *** WordOfGod [[http://dwaynemcduffie.com.lamphost.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2104&start=1320#p82813 actually states that they're famous "like Gayle King"]], so chances are they're just being overshadowed by Ben in terms of popularity, and Ben's fans are probably more likely to cause problems and are rather rabid. |
| 174 | ** In the season finale, this is one of the reasons Crazy!Kevin resents Ben so much. Ben gets to be the famous hero while Kevin is stuck looking like a monstrous freak again. |
| 175 | |
| 176 | * After the AssPull of Aggregor declaring offhand that Terraspin's race is immune to magic, why did Ben never turn into Terraspin during their trip to Legerdemain? |
| 177 | ** Even better question, why Aggregor bother waiting for them? He could just fly to Addwaitya and beat him with ease considering his immunity, without limits (while Ben has to control time limit). |
| 178 | ** He probably could have- but why bother, when watching Ben and co. do his dirty work for him is so much more fun? The guy's pure evil, and pretty much invincible- he can afford to pull stunts like that. |
| 179 | *** As for Ben, it was shown, that its hard to fly in Ledgerdomain. Terraspin would have to walk. |
| 180 | |
| 181 | * Why does Aggregor need [[spoiler: a newborn Alien X]]? I mean, there's [[strike: dozens]]hundreds of them in that [[spoiler: nebula]], why go after the [[spoiler: newborn]] specifically? He's already cross the MoralEventHorizon. |
| 182 | ** Probably because the adults have two personalities and he'd get trapped by that. Or they'd just kill him. Grabbing a newborn before it could develop personalities would give him complete control. |
| 183 | *** WordOfGod says: canon. |
| 184 | |
| 185 | * In "Nor Iron Bars a Cage," Ben goes Goop to slip through the crack under a door and melt the lock from the other side. How did the anti-gravity generator get on the other side of the door? Better yet, why didn't they show it still on Gwen's side of the door? (Since it's explicitly stated to work within a distance of ~2 feet, it could have easily worked through the door.) It would have been a cool detail to include that would double as a ContinuityNod. |
| 186 | ** Even weirder: didn't Ben leave the a-grav disc on Piscciss to keep it from falling apart? |
| 187 | *** WordOfGod says the Omnitrix/Ultimatrix is what generates the anti-gravity generator - it's not natural to Goop's species. WOG also says that if the generator is ever destroyed, the 'trix creates a new one the next time the transformation is done. This DOESN'T explain how it got outside the door, as it would have to exist inside the room when Ben first transformed; otherwise he couldn't have moved outside. |
| 188 | *** Goop could make a hole with acid and UFO would just go through. However, Dwayne just responded with SelfDeprecation: Animator draw disk on the other side of the door, when nobody was looking. |
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| 190 | * What the &@#$ is up with Ben? This is the same guy who chooses to ''save'' the lives of his ''enemies''- why won't he even ''try'' with Kevin? Yes, I understand that Kevin is nuts and willing to kill them, but doesn't Ben realize that ''it's because he's basically high and has no actual control over his own actions?!'' Why won't he ''cure'' Kevin? He knows it can be done, because ''he befriended him while Kevin was cured.'' |
| 191 | ** Maybe [[MurderTheHypotenuse he wants]] [[KissingCousins Gwen]] [[PlatonicWritingRomanticReading all to himself]]? |
| 192 | *** DudeNotFunny. This is serious aggression and majorly OutOfCharacter for Ben. |
| 193 | *** I dunno...think about it, Kevin was a enemy turned friend. As a kid Kevin was willing to kill a entire train and all the people on it for petty cash, New Evil Kevin put a guy in Traction because he owed him $8 bucks, And Kevin knows where everyone Ben cares about lives... |
| 194 | ** Not only that; Kevin is a friend turned enemy who was ''an enemy turned friend.'' Who used to be an enemy. It's not completely unreasonable to think that Ben's actually afraid of what Kevin can do. When he was 11, he kidnapped Gwen and took her to the Null Void just so he could lure Ben there to kill him/steal the watch. Now he's 16, bigger, stronger, and knows where Ben and everyone he cares about lives. Not that I don't think he should try, but how could he? ...is the Ultimatrix even able to cure people the way the Omnitrix did, since it was made by Albedo to be a weapon? |
| 195 | ** I think it's because Kevin was his friend, so once he found the resolve to kill Kevin he didn't want to lose it. He trusted that if there was a way to save Kevin that Gwen and Co would figure it out. But if Kevin gave them no choice he knew that taking Kevin out would fall on his shoulders. |
| 196 | ** It was Paradox's fault as well, for telling Ben that "he'd do what he had to do", planting that idea in his head. So Ben decided to kill Kevin because "fate told him to". |
| 197 | |
| 198 | * Shouldn't Ultimate Big Chill's power be "Ice so cold it burns"? |
| 199 | ** Well, at first its flames, then they turn into ice. Cause' its cool. |
| 200 | ** They're flames that suck all the heat out of whatever they pass over. |
| 201 | |
| 202 | * So whatever happened to the Plumber kids that Kevin attacked? Did they get their powers back like the Andromeda aliens? Are they all still alive? It was implied that some of his victims were severely injured if not killed. |
| 203 | ** A few episodes later he insists he didn't kill anyone. |
| 204 | |
| 205 | * What exactly gave Ben the impression that Kevin was going to destroy the world? |
| 206 | ** Crazy!Kevin is horrific for Ben so it might not have been a real universal danger, then again he DID say he might come back for the Baby X. So after beating up or killing anyone who ever "wronged" him including Ben and Gwen he would complete Aggregor's mission ALSO... |
| 207 | ** Well, consider this: Ben's had experience with this. He took the time to befriend Kevin when he was 10, Kevin betrayed him and became one of his biggest, most troublesome of enemies and had to leave him in the Null Void just to get away from him. Now, five years later, Ben's befriended him again and, again, Kevin's gone nuts. Maybe he thinks it's a late repeat of what happened when they were kids and it ''at the very least'' scares him? |
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| 209 | * That fact that not only are the writers failing at writing believable teenage interaction, but that they're not even consistent about it, bugs me. Carrying over from AF, Ben swings between a selfless hero who wants to help people, to an attention whoring jerk, to a kid who's just stressed with all he has to deal with, to acting like he has nothing to worry about at all. Unless he's pregnant again, there's not much reason for the mood swings. Gwen goes from really seeming to care about her cousin and friend to a megabitch who can't let go of grudges (concerning Kevin, usually) or blames Ben for whatever mess they're into (sometimes for no reason). Kevin...is odd. They can't seem to figure out if he's still dealing with his issues (concerning Ben, his sorta-kinda-relationship with Gwen, or his past) or if he's just too dumb to have them anymore. Why? I get that they've all got issues, but their personalities keep changing - not ''progressing'', just flip-flopping. Do the writers not talk to each other? |
| 210 | ** I know what you mean. And Ben "realizing" how much of an ass he's been doesn't help much either. He either doesn't seem too bothered by his foul-ups or passes some things with a bit too much concern. Gwen... yea, she's pretty much nothing like the snarky, spunky gal she used to be. Now's she just a broken compass to occasionally slap Ben over the head when his head has gone over the speed limit in his ass. And Kevin, where do I start? It seemed rather dumb to throw another TransformationTrauma at him barely 20 after spending the entire last season of the previous series as a mishmash of elements. I mean, it was neat to see what his new amalgamations would look like, but it didn't really carry any of that threat like the original Kevin 11 did. For one, when he was that abomination before, he was locked in that form and only had maybe half or less of the full alien's power. Yet here, he was able to pull off all the powers with no problem (absorbing from new victims, notwithstanding). And then there's his whole moral dilemma. I wasn't feeling it, he was just being a power crazy ass, not the devious little monster he was 6 years ago. |
| 211 | *** OP here. Funny thing is, Kevin seemed to be doing better (in UA mostly, around episode 8 to at least 13) interacting with Ben and Gwen normally. 11 year old Kevin was also a little crazy from the energy absorbing, which he warns the {{Big Bad}} about. I haven't seen the episodes where he goes nuts yet, though, so I can't comment on his actions there. |
| 212 | *** I don't know. I think the whole WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity thing was just slapped on to make us feel even more bad for the younger Kevin. I liked how originally 11 year old Kevin was just a delinquent like Ben but with no one to help guide him. And while the idea of the mentor in prison was neat, it just didn't feel as well executed as it should have. |
| 213 | *** I don't know; apparently younger Kevin destroyed their house and ''that'' was why his stepfather managed to convince his mom to throw him out. A lack of guidance probably wouldn't lead to that, but insanity caused by energy absorption might. |
| 214 | *** The energy absorption thing seems more to explain Kevin's overnight change between the original and AF. In the original series, especially in Kevin 11 and Framed, he's not just ''bad,'' he's ''exceptionally'' murderous and goes out of his way to make sure innocents will die even when he doesn't need to get his stated goal and laughs about it. This being a kids' show, he's always stopped in time (onscreen, at least.) So Kevin suddenly being a JerkWithAHeartOfGold with totally different powers was a case of InNameOnly, comparable to the idea of the Joker - ''the Dark Knight version,'' not one of the kid-friendly harmless trickster incarnations - suddenly trading watching the world burn for helping old ladies cross the street but making the odd gruff comment about it. The explanation: his powers work ''both'' ways. Matter = good, energy = bad. It was slapped on to make the new Kevin ''make at least a bit of sense.'' And it was fairly well done... which makes it more annoying that all of two seconds after we learn this, Ben ''immediately'' writes Kevin off as irredeemable when he goes energy-nuts again, clearly not his fault, and he is ''talked out'' of doing the most evil thing he could've done at the time and what young Kevin would have gladly done. (We get a decent explanation for that too, by the way: he basically felt that 'the one to does what needs to be done' had to be him and was... pretty much trying too hard; it's not how he actually felt, and did work with the others when they had a plan for getting Kevin back to normal.) But, ''totally'' hearing whoever it was on the need to try maybe '''not having''' wildly inconsistent characterization and people doing things that make no more sense than this instead of simply explaining it away later. |
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| 216 | * I don't get that whole Osmosian power to absorb other powers: 1)If Aggregor absorbs Ripjaws's powers, would Ripjaws lose his ability to breath underwater? 2) What would happen if a human got his power absorbed? Would it just left him dried and weakened like with Alan? 3) How did [[spoiler:going insane allow Kevin]] to learn that power? |
| 217 | ** Its not that insanity causes you to be able to do it, it's that using it causes insanity. |
| 218 | ** Absorbing energy causes insanity. After Kevin go mad, he apparently learned to absorb powers. Ra'ad clearly said that Osmosians have three powers: to absorb energy, matter, and powers. |
| 219 | ** Or maybe, after he went mad, he became willing to use a power he ''already'' had. |
| 220 | *** I thing it would be best for this conversation, to wait for a next season |
| 221 | *** For the power absorption I think Osmosians don't steal powers just copy them and the reason the Plumbers Kid's turned back to there human form's is because of there hybrid status. |
| 222 | * So, why Ghostfreak wanted to bond with Ben anyway? In original series it was implied, that he wanted sun-shielding skin, but not only he didn't get it, but also WordOfGod also said that its part of his body, created at will (which, by the way, begs for a question, why he doesn't use it). |
| 223 | ** In the original series, Ghostfreak (the one escaped from the watch anyway) explained that because he survived through the strand of DNA that went into the Omnitrix, he was essentially imcomplete, and thus couldn't go out into the sun. But if he were to combine with Ben, then he'd not only be able to walk in the daylight, but also have great power to wield. As for the skin shield, it can be assumed it's like Freeza's many forms in DBZ, it suppressors the full extent of his true power even if he's still capable of doing other things. |
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| 225 | * There are clones in Ben 10 universe. Vreedles prove it. It rises thousands of questions starting with why dead characters arent resurrected. Why? |
| 226 | ** Maybe only the Vreedles have the technology and won't share it with any other species. |
| 227 | ** ShipOfTheseus. Sure, it looks, acts and talks like him, but is it him? |
| 228 | |
| 229 | * [[WhereDoesHeGetAllThoseWonderfulToys Where does Aggregor gets those wonderful toys?]]. Plumpers didn't know him so he isn't a wanted criminal, so who is he? Is he rich? I'm just annoyed that we don't know anything about his past. |
| 230 | |
| 231 | * Charmcaster's summons. First, how sentient are they? One of them disobeyed her in "In Charm Way" and another in an alternative future (Ben 10,000) behaves like a dog. On the other hand they seem to be OK with serving her for all their lives. But it's not the most troubling: In "Where magic happens" it's revealed that, they're sent from another dimension. However, that doesn't fit with the original series summons. Are we supposed to assume that first they were summoned and then turned into little egg-like rocks? |
| 232 | |
| 233 | * Does anybody else thinks that Ben's aliens are overpowered? Yes, I know what you thinking. Administrivia/ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike. But no. Its FridgeLogic. Think, you've got a whole species of creatures that can fly, survive in space, pass through matter, freeze you with breath or touch and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking reproduce asexually]]. They could conquer thousand of planets. Another situation: you want to kill somebody. All you need to do is find a assassin that can duplicate itself and yell sonics. Said assassin makes like 50 or 200 of copies. If they fail he makes a new ones. If some aliens that Ben now posses didn't come from some peaceful planets, then that kind of power would make space one dangerous and unstable place. |
| 234 | ** The first thing I noticed was the massive amount of errors in this. Second, [[BellisariosMaxim maybe space really is unstable]]. Look at the law for peace the Galvans instated, they had to make an entire dimension for criminals,anyone with enough money can buy any[''inhabited''] planet to terraform; With empires such as the Incursions and people like [[Series/DoctorWho Doctor Paradox]], maybe the Milky Way Galaxy is a scary place |
| 235 | *** Well when every other species in the galaxy (Save humans) also have super powers no species would really seem overpowered since really 50 copies of a 8inch being would not be very useful against a Dinosaur with SizeChanging abilities. |
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| 237 | * Before [[SatelliteLoveInterest Julie]] and [[AntiHero Kevin]] came along, Ben didn't seem to have friends. [[KissingCousins All he had was Gwen]]. But even now, it seems like Kevin would be reluctant to call Ben his "friend", and it's hard to say whether or not you can call Julie Ben's friend, girlfriend, or both. What kind of teenager is Ben Tennyson?! |
| 238 | ** The kind with too much experience with battle, action, and heroism to relate to others his own age and social niche. He might have had some acquaintances in the timeskip between the original show and Alien Force, but when the omnitrix went active again, he'd have had no time for them and would have drifted very distant instantly. He does have other sorta-friends though- the other Plumber kids, who are basically the only people on-world his own age he has any chance of finding common ground with. |
| 239 | ** First troper here: Yeah, but even before he became the eponymous Ben 10, he didn't appear to have any friends. If he had made friends during the time that was skipped, it would've been nice if we could see that, and also the emotional toll of him leaving them behind to pursue the life of a hero once again. And at present, him not being able to relate to normal people is kind of a big deal for a teenager, you'd think they should explore the theme more. |
| 240 | *** Oh, they ''should'', but they probably won't. That's what fic is for, sadly. On the other hand, I'm not sure what Ben's social standing was pre-coming out (of the hero closet, of course) but he wasn't the everyloser most teen heroes are. He was an athlete and was never shown being picked on (except by Cash and TJ, but never mind them) but for some reason was never shown near any other people- hey, maybe Ben's just a loner. Lots of people only have a small group of people they're tight with in real life, it's not too much of a stretch to assume Ben could be like that. Factor in the "I turn into aliens and fight battles in my spare time" and it's not too far-fetched to assume he just ''can't'' relate to other kids. |
| 241 | *** Thing is, we knew him for all of one minute before he became Ben 10. It was in class (couldn't have socialized there), then the thing with Cash and JT (who knew if he'd had people around him before he noticed), then Grandpa shows up - and for the rest of the original series, he's touring the countryside, far from anyone he might have known from school. You ''would'' think someone would have helped him down, but the fact that he wasn't with anyone for the exceptionally brief periods in which he saw him before the adventure began is hardly proof that he's never with anyone ''ever.'' And in the later series, yeah, he has to deal with hero stuff enough that he's mostly with the gang. Even ''then,'' we get things like Gwen's friend (in her first appearance) saying she'd had one date with Ben that ended with her webbed to something really, really high. This means Ben even has an offscreen ''dating life,'' though alien invasions aren't good for it. |
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| 243 | |
| 244 | * In [[http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/ben10ua/index.html the preview for Eye of the Beholder]], Gwen makes the comment that she thought the Forever Knights disbanded a year ago. However, they fought them in both Duped and Andreas' Fault. Did a year pass between the the new episode and when they last appeared? |
| 245 | ** Gwen doesn't have a brain anymore |
| 246 | ** She could have meant last calendar year, which either makes perfect sense or no sense depending on what time of the year it is during those episodes, which we have [[ItsAlwaysSpring no way of knowing]]. |
| 247 | * Excuse me but ''when'' did Ben and Julie break up? Yes I know that pairing wasn't popular with the fanbase but if you're going to undo the cannon pairing you should at least show it happen. An off-handed remark about breaking up is just begging to end up in the discontinuity pile. |
| 248 | ** They didn't break up. Ben assumes Julie broke up with him but in reality she says they might as well be (broken up) in response to him not spending enough time with her. It kinda helps to actually listen to the dialogue. |
| 249 | *** And when did ''that'' happen. It never occurred onscreen and they expect us to just accept an offhand comment about it just to keep the plot moving. I'm half expecting the alleged break-up to end up ignored. |
| 250 | *** Yes it happened off screen but they didn't leave it as an offhand comment. They discussed it in the following episode when the gang goes to help BazL. Believe it or not, but just because something isn't explained right away doesn't mean it'll never be explained. |
| 251 | ** Also Azmuth says [[spoiler: she received her human DNA from Gwen. Not only does this mean she's somewhat related to Gwen (and therefore Ben) but also a StrongFamilyResemblance with Gwen]] |
| 252 | |
| 253 | * Ever since the first season of [[WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce Alien Force]], Ben has been able to switch aliens just by tapping the Omnitrix symbol. So, when he gets the wrong alien ("Amphibian? I was going for Brainstorm!"), why doesn't he just slap his chest and switch to the one he wanted? |
| 254 | ** Because he knows it has a mind of its own, and accepts its whims, for fear of pissing it off. |
| 255 | ** He might not have enough time. It's either "accept this alien" or "get crushed while trying for the one I want". |
| 256 | |
| 257 | * So, how ''did'' Dr. Viktor end up as a mindless husk in a block of ice? Kevin says he was alive the last time any of them saw him. |
| 258 | ** Alan made an off-hand comment in ''Absolute Power, Pt.1'', listing off a number of people Kevin had attacked for their powers. Doctor Viktor was among them, so it is possible Kevin when a little too far with him compared to everyone else. |
| 259 | *** And, as the OP mentioned, Kevin said that he was alive when Kevin threw him in the null void. |
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| 261 | |
| 262 | * In "Forge of Creation" look closely at Aggregor's fight with Stinkfly. VERY CLOSELY. Since when can Lepidopterrans shoot lasers? |
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| 264 | * I can understand, that sometimes Brainstorm or Spidermonkey are just enough to handle current threat. I can understand that Ben doesn't want to waste energy with more transformations and risk turning into wrong alien. I also understand, that some building are too small to use Way Big. What I don't understand, why in Absolute Power, Part 2, while fighting with one of his most powerful enemies, Ben fighting choices were Big Chill and Spidermonkey. Not even Ultimate forms, just regular ones. Against the guy who defeated Ultimate Humongosaur. In place where he could easily use Way Big. And he chooses fourarmed monkey that can shoot web. Why? Just why? |
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| 266 | * Same goes for Aggregor. Lets see out of all the times Ben could've used Way Big or Ultimate Echo Echo (over 5 times). He just uses his more weaker forms like Brainstorm and Swampfire. When Kevin Attacked Aggregor, he used Jetray's lasers. Did Ben ever think of that? Nope. |
| 267 | ** He underestimated him at first. For his second fight he used Humongosaur. Not only he's a strong alien, but also Ben was already changed. Then again blind rage invoked some IdiotBall, so Ben attacked again rather then go ultimate. But later Ben was always using ultimate forms. He didn't know that Ultimate Echo Echo would work better, heck he probably didn't even thought of "Sonic Doom". And he couldn't use Way Big neither in Forge of Creation nor Perplexahedron because he didn't have enough space. And in the end some FridgeLogic: Ben didnt use Jetray, because he didn't think it would work. Why would it? Both Ra'ad and Pandor could easily absorb his blasts. And again Ben DID use Jetray later on Kevin. |
| 268 | *** True but what I saw in the Forge of creation, Kevin seemed to hurt Aggregor with Brainstorm's, Swampfire's, and Jetray's powers meaning that those were his possible weaknesses if Aggregor was shot from behind. But then again he's only 16 he's not supposed to be a Ben 10,000 equivalent. |
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| 270 | * I know Ben was boring at the begining of Alien Force by defeating his enemies quickly and always using the best alien, but now it's like he doesn't have the slightest battle tactic. In the episode about Gwen's cousin, why did he never thought of using Terraspin? you could say that maybe it was because it was more of a Gwen episode, but he fights their cousin's boyfriend who is just has muscle "while using Humongasaur" a good alien, the fight it's even and Ben apparently forgot he has the power of growing and being getting a little stronger, even so he turns into Ultimate Humongasaur and defeats him by....tricking him into electrocuting itself. Now why didn't he just turned into the alien who already had electric powers, or something that used some kind of beam or ray since the guy went down pretty easily after something other than muscle was used against him? Then they have problems fighting Viktor, yes the "same Viktor" from the original Ben 10, he had a lot of ways of defeating him but he uses Heatblast, not even the stronger Swampfire. It's like instead of making more powerful enemies to counter Ben's multipowerful aliens, they just make him use the worst choices and or battle the worst way possible. |
| 271 | ** OK Quick explenations: Humungosaur vs Antonio. Humungosuar can't grow. And if he changed into Brainstorm or Amfibian and then he turn into Terraspin he would most likely quickly turn back into human. Heatblast vs Viktor Swampfire isnt stronger that Heatblast. He has less fire power, he isn't as mobile as him and what most important, regeneration wouldn't save him from electricity. And he's a plant. Now think about it: Heatblast has no water in his body. Plants has a lot of water. |
| 272 | ** Humongasaur can't grow? did you even watch the alien force premier? |
| 273 | *** Ultimate Humungosaur can't grow. Happy? |
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| 275 | |
| 276 | * Chromastone can fly. ''How''? |
| 277 | ** Secret of Chromastone. Watch it. |
| 278 | |
| 279 | * When the U.S. Military closes down a base, the first thing they do is remove all the ordnance to prevent that ordnance from falling into the wrong hand. In Absolute Power, there is all kinds of ordnance laying around without any posative control, including a Tank which is the first thing that should have been relocated. What did the U.S. Army / Air Force do, leave in the middle of the night and totally forget about Los Alimos? |
| 280 | * When the heck are they going back to Ledger Domain? |
| 281 | ** Propably, when they find the way in. Remember, Door To Anywhere stopped working. Knowing Gwen, she working on it every night. |
| 282 | |
| 283 | * Ok, Ben has access to at least dozens of superpowered aliens, and ALL of the Plumbers' kids we've seen have superpowers, but all of the actual PLUMBERS we've seen are at best BadassNormal. Why don't the Plumbers have at least a substantial minority of superpowered aliens? |
| 284 | ** AdultsAreUseless. Sad, but thats the only explenation. Remember first season of Alien Force, when Gradpa tell Ben to find Plumpers' kids. As if "kids in their (maybe) teen with half-powers (again, maybe) while comparing to normal aliens, little to no training and in best case outdated weapons if any". And it worked. He could just take volunteers from few planets and it should work better! |
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| 286 | |
| 287 | * What did that whole "forced scanning for unknown aliens" thing only kick in once? They've met other unknown aliens before, and it didn't happen. |
| 288 | ** It's happened before, just not exactly in that manner. |
| 289 | ** The other times Ben kind of scanned them before it could do that. |
| 290 | ** The Omnitrix has samples of every intelligent life form in the Milky Way, it only scanned the Andromeda aliens because they are from another galaxy, and the other aliens it scanned were just locked, but their DNA was already in the Codon Stream. |
| 291 | * So we learned that Ben voluntarily calls out his nicknames for the aliens he turns into. If that's true, then why does he do things like, "This is a job for Humungousaur!" *Hits Ultimatrix* "ECHO ECHO! Aw man, why'd I get him?!" It just seems very...strange. Also, why did Ben name the chameleon alien 'Overkill'? If it's power was to nuke everything, then I would agree, but...he can only turn invisible. Not exactly...overkill-esque. |
| 292 | ** It was a joke. He's naming it for real in a later episode. |
| 293 | ** Guess he's able to tell which alien he's turning into at the time. If your body was reshaping itself around you, you'd probably be able to tell. On occasion he will call out the wrong one, but earlier in the series when he probably hadn't gotten completely familar with them. And the alien isn't named Overkill, he was just joking. Its real name is [=ChamAlien=]. |
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| 295 | * Echo Echo bugs me. Everybody with [[SelfDuplication duplication powers]] should have weakness. Most common ones are feeling pain after death of clone, or having one real body that controls rest. Echo Echo doesnt seem to have those. Dwayne mentioned that he needs some energy to make them, so there is a limit, but its unnoticable. Of course there is a time limit Ben has before changing back, but regular Sonorosian wont have one. So is there is any way to stop him? Episode "Absolute Power" proved that Echo Echo is basically indestructible if he's prepared. |
| 296 | ** Check the WMG that says Ben's aliens are the pinacles of their respective species. Only the fastest Kinecelerans can match XLR8's speeds, most Piscciss Volann dry out even faster than Ripjaws does on dry land, and so on. According to this theory, Echo Echo could be thought of as the Manga/{{Naruto}} of Sonorosians; which is to say, [[SelfDuplication duplicating yourself]] takes a lot of energy, but our hero has so much energy to spare that he makes it look easy. |
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| 298 | * Is Vilgaxia one of ten words conquered by Vilgax or is he actually owner of ten plus one? Because he mentioned having powers champions from ten worlds. But isnt he greatest warrior from his planet? Besides he couldt have to fight with champion considering he couldnt conquer that planet by fighting in "Conquerer's Challenge", cause said Challenge is between greatest warriors of attacking race and defending one. |
| 299 | ** It's his homeworld, he probably ruled it himself considering, according to WordOfGod, this species are mostly peaceful and he's the only warlord. |
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| 301 | * Prisoner 775. According to his story, he wasn't being confined without trial, he had a trial on his home planet and was sentenced to banishment on Earth. If other planets, as per his story, are going to use Earth as a prison planet, it makes more than sense to build a prison to hold them and keep them from hurting the native population. Sure, he claimed to be an innocent political prisoner, but tons of prisoners claim to truly be innocent. |
| 302 | ** Except the one who banished him was apparently a tyrant. In real life, the right thing to do would be give someone political asylum. We can't really tell how many of those aliens were just innocent people whose ships crashed on Earth and were wrongfully imprisoned. 775 outright said he'd told his story a million times and Rozem didn't believe him. Rozem imprisoned aliens because they were aliens, that was the point. They weren't all criminals and he didn't give them an unbias trial before imprisoning them, which is what the Plumbers due. Plus, imprisoning 775 for being banished to Earth is sentencing him to further time for a crime he was already tried and convicted of, which by US law is Double Jeopardy and forbidden in the constition. Thus by both alien and human law, Rozem was extremely far in the wrong by doing so. |
| 303 | *** Yes, he ''claimed'' he was banished by a tyrant. People claiming to be victims of an unjust system when they're not isn't exactly an uncommon occurence, so why should Rozum have believed this one? His story, after all, says that Earth is being used as a prison by an alien race, so why should Rozum ''not'' think he was an alien criminal? If the point was to show that he was imprisoning aliens simply for being aliens, then they really should have shown him imprisoning aliens for being aliens. Instead we saw that he took steps to protect the general Earth population from a dangerous alien criminal, and we saw him working just fine with two aliens (well, half aliens) and one guy who was every alien. Also, it's no more double jeopardy than moving a prisoner into solitary confinement is double jeopardy. He's a threat to the other people on the planet and should be taken out of the general population. Earth was his jail, he wasn't sentenced to further time, he was just relocated within the jail during his sentence. |
| 304 | *** But we have no proof that 775 did anything wrong other than show up on Earth. And its outright stated how horrible the conditions of the prison were, Ben outright calls them "inhuman". The point was, if he was a human exiled from a known tyranical government, he'd not have been treated that way. In real life, the US accepted banished people from Germany during WWII and it's still law a Cuban citizen can become an American citizen by stepping foot on American soil. Rozum should've at the very least confirmed that 775 was a dangerous criminal, and considering the Plumbers didn't know, he didn't. Meaning Rozum decided to imprison him simply because he ''thought'' he, not because he ''knew'' he was a threat. That's most defiently illegal and violates the ''writ of habeas corpus'', which can only be waved in times of national crisis, something 775 probably wasn't Rozum outright said the conditions were inhuman because the prisoners weren't human, outright saying he was treating them like that because they were aliens. And he outright said that he had no intention of letting ''any'' of them out, ''ever, reguardless of their reason for being on Earth in the first place. And its still against the law to imprison someone for something they did under another governement, the legal thing to do is deport them back home unless they commit crimes on US soil, something we have no reason to assume 775 did. His actions afterwards don't count as by that point, he'd spent decades imprisoned in horrible conditions with apparently no interaction with anyone but the other prisoners (that's assuming that could even happen and they weren't in single cells), that'd be more than enough to drive him insane. Rozum did have some right to imprison war criminals, yes, but he had absolutely no right to treat them like inhuman beasts when they're clearly sentient, that is most certainly illegal. Rozum no matter how you look at him, was clearly doing severely illegal things in both intergalactic and human law. |
| 305 | *** What makes you think, from the technological level we've seen of Earth in this series (Earth governments, not the plumbers), that any government on another planet could be ''known'' to be tyrannical. The governments of Earth haven't been outside of the solar system. All of those international laws you've cited are international, not interplanetary. Rozum found out that aliens were using our planet as, basically, a trash can., and the government had no power to respond to it. They ''couldn't'' check out his story, they ''couldn't'' deport anyone. And why should he trust whatever extraplanetary government exists out there, which is apparently fine other planets sending their dregs to Earth where the human population has next to no defense against them, which hands out control of self-sustained planets to whoever wins a contest of strength, which sold somebody the right to render our planet fatal to humans and didn't even warn us? Whatever interplanetary government exists out there, it has no problem with the loss of human life-with the extermination of all human life-and Rozum is supposed to trust it? ''Anyone'' is supposed to trust it? |
| 306 | *** We have no reason to think Volcanis got that from an extraplanetary government. Kevin said it was 'legit', not that it was 'legal', for all we know he bought it off the black market. A document can be legitiment but obtained through illegal channels or it might have just been such a good forgery that Kevin couldn't tell. And checking was why they should've called the Plumbers and had them check his story, that's what the Plumbers are for. From what we've seen, there's no overall interplanetary government, just agreements between them with a universally accepted doctorine that the Plumbers enforce. And Earth signed a treaty that Rozum's actions were in direct violation of (likely to agree with the Plumbers, thus why the Earth's governments reconize them as the authority in alien matters), as Max said. If a country makes a treaty with another government, they're bond to uphold that. Rozum caused an interplanetary incident. The legal thing to do is turn a suspected criminal over to the Plumbers so they, who have the actual knowledge to check his story or deport them (which they've been shown doing before). Rozum and the US government tried to take matters into their own hands when they signed a legally binding treaty not to. Reguardless of your feelings in the matter, violating a treaty is extremely serious and in real life highly illegal. If your country signed a treaty to deport criminals back to their homeland to be tried or to turn them over to an internation body and you didn't do that 775 times, your country would be in ''serious'' trouble. The point is, Volcanis probably got that permit illegally and even if he didn't, Rozum did this for over 40 years. On top of that, does any of what you say justify locking sentient beings in horribble, inhuman conditions for decades of isolation, reguardless of crime? No, it doesn't. Reguardless of ''why'' they were imprisoned, Rozum treating them like animals instead of sentient beings that have the same rights as human beings is an inexcusable and horrible action that was the result of him having a prejudice against aliens. Even if all 775 were war criminals, then they should've been treated like human beings, given the same rights. Not locked up in outright inhuman conditions with no intent to ever be released. Rozum did something that if he'd done it to humans he'd be considered almost Nazi level evil. Yes, the US did internment with the Japanese in WWII, but that's now universally seen as terrible and horrible. Rozum, reguardless of motivations, did something completely unjustifiable and unforgivable. |
| 307 | *** As long as we're arbitrarily doubting documents, perhaps Earth's signature on the treaty was forged, or signed by someone with no authority, afterall, how does "Earth" sign a document? Who on this planet can legally sign a document that covers the entire planet? According to the late Dwayne McDuffie, Ben, by virtue of winning the conqueror's challenge, is considered the ruler of the planet by whatever intergalactic government exists, but no Earthly government recognizes his 'authority.' If there is no interplanetary government, then who did Ben, Kevin, and Baz-L talk to on Coda in Vreedle, Vreedle? If there is no such thing, then the Plumbers ARE the interplanetary government We only have Ben's word on the conditions being inhuman. And Prisoner 775 was ''dangerous'', he could have killed millions of humans without ever even coming close to being caught, and I think protecting humans from someone so dangerous does indeed justify imprisoning him for over 40 years. Especially when we already know he was sent to Earth as a sort of prison. |
| 308 | *** Ok, then let me ask you this. Would we even be having this conversation if he'd done this to humans? Let's say some government offical took 775 people from other countries whe were on US soil, reguardless of reason (as he didn't listen to 775 after all), some may have been exiled from their home land to the US, some may have just accidentally showed up on American soil visiting. And that all these countries are ones the US has peace treaties with. Now lets say this offical, without informing any other country in the entire world or obtaining further information onf these people, imprisoned these 775 people in inhuman conditions for decades, no trial, no attempts to find out more information or report it to interpol or any other agency that monitors international affairs. Let's say finally one broke out and that one person was criminally insane, either due to pre-existing factors or simply insane from what they'd just been put through, and went on a murderious rampage because their family died back home because this offical imprisoned them. And this offical said "its ok because they're not Americans" and its for "national seceruity". Would you be defending this officals actions? Because that's exactly what happened with Rozum and 775. And something you're overlooking is the very real possiblity that 40 years ago, 775 ''wasn't'' violently insane originally and that spending 40 years in a horrible conditions that even Ben described as inhuman and then discovering he'd lost his entire family and everything he had to live for drove him insane, in which case everything that 775 did when he got out is on Rozum's head for putting him in there in the first place. |
| 309 | *** It stands to reason that the treaty would've been signed by the UN, which after all includes all governments that are widely recognized as legitimate. |
| 310 | *** Humans from some other country, no. Humans from some other planet that we'd never heard of, had no prior dealings with, and no way of knowing why exactly they were here, probably. Humans with powers far beyond the abilities of normal humans to cope with let alone defend themselves against, yes. Comparing them to normal humans from another country is disingenuous. It's like suddenly discovering that Atlantis is real and has been using America as a penal colony. And you can't say that they did that to all aliens because the very premise of WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce was that there were hundreds of aliens around on Earth, fathering children. The only evidence we have of aliens being treated like prisoners in this show is in the case of aliens like 775, who ''are'' prisoners. Until we see them take, well, any action on aliens that aren't exiled from their home planet, it's not fair to say that they do. |
| 311 | *** No offense, but that sounds like an arguement from a villain in X-men. Having powers automatically results in them warrenting what Rozum did? That's a poor arguement. Reguardless, the only evidence we have of what the conditions are like down there is Ben's word, which Rozum didn't even try countering. His response was "That's because they're not human", outright admiting Ben was telling the truth and the conditions really were horrible down there. Thus, how do you justify that one? |
| 312 | *** Having powers does automatically call for stronger procedures in the capturing and containing of criminals. You can see that not just in X-men, but every superhero property. The X-men are superpowered people who were born on Earth and live on Earth because that's where they live. The only alien we know was in that prison was a superpowered alien criminal, who was convicted of a crime (opposing the government, albeit one he claims was illegitimate) on his home planet and sentenced to exile on Earth because of it. Yes, as you pointed out, he did claim to be innocent, but he was still a prisoner. Usually, when you have a prisoner that poses a threat to the other people in the prison, you put them in solitary, you don't give them another trial first. And that's for a normal prison, this is a prison full of innocent people who did not sign on to live in a prison for superpowered alien criminals. As for that exchange between Ben and Rozum, Ben was a 16 year old kid criticizing the actions of someone much older and in a much higher position than he was, do you really expect Rozum to engage in a debate with him? |
| 313 | *** Except Max, a long time friend who he's likely try to save face with if Ben wasn't correct was standing right there and everyone present were Plumbers, who in the matter of aliens ''do'' outrank him, including Cooper, who is in full Plumber gear. Fact is, he outright says it doesn't matter the conditions were inhuman because the aliens were. By your own arguement, since that's the only evidence we have as to what it was like down there, then that's what we must assume is right. If a single alien we see being a criminal means all the prisoners are then two people saying the conditions are inhuman (including the one who ''made'' the prison in the first place) they must be inhuman. Now tell me, if the conditions really are as bad as Ben's conversation with Rozum implied, then does it still make Rozum right? Anwser that question, no excuses. Just answer that. |
| 314 | *** It's funny you should mention X-men villains, since I think [[http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2510681.html Abigail Brand sums up my position pretty clearly. There is no line.]] This planet's safety has been threatened so many times from aliens that there is no line that you can cross to keep that from happening. If that means alien criminals are held in positions that an already self-righteous 16 year old will call inhumane after seeing them for approximately a minute, so be it. |
| 315 | *** Now you're just grasping at straws pal. Fact is, Rozum's own line enforces what Ben says, not denies it, and he ''built'' the prison. Thus there's no proof Ben's assumption wasn't correct, meaning, due to your own words that 775 was a clear indicator of the prison's inhabitants as a whole, we should believe that they're right. Fact is, Rozum's actions are no different than what the Forever Knights did to that dragon. Yes, aliens have threatened earth's safety, but by your logic, we should lock up all Islamic people because a bunch of islamic terrorists endangered the public. Most of the aliens Ben has fought were criminals by the Plumber's standards. The only major invasions that weren't just isolated criminals were the Incursians, the High Breed, and Vilgax. The High Breed were considered a threat to the entire universe and Vilgax is an intergalactic conquerer whose known for attracities across the universe. As for the Incursians, that wasn't personal and the threat was due to a percieved crime they thought earth had commited. And all those happened long after the prison was established. Thus imprisoning every alien that lands on Earth who ''might'' be a threat isn't justified. But you probably aren't going to change your mind, so lets avoid a flame war and agree to disagree, shall we? |
| 316 | *** Every time you try and cast this in the context of normal human beings in the real world, or try and break it into parts, you're being disingenuous. The Ben 10 universe is shown to be politically very much like the real world, where, other than the few humans who are agents of an interplanetary agency, all humans are incapable of travelling beyond the moon, meaning the government doesn't have the communications and interaction options that they have with other governments here on Earth. Look, we really have no idea who all was in that prison, but we know who wasn't: Verdona, Kevin's dad, the parents of, well, all of Alien Force, the Vreedles, etc. We've seen plenty of aliens being normal, unimprisoned Thus, we know they're not just imprisoning every alien they see. Vilgax not only wasn't considered a criminal by the Plumbers' standards, he was considered the legal ruler of 10 planets. We know Vilgax attacked Earth a long time ago, we don't know for sure whether that was before or after the prison was established. We know that Prisoner 775 told them, repeatedly, that he was a criminal from a race that saw fit to use Earth as a prison planet-40 years ago. So, for 40 years, they had reason to assume that any and every alien they found that was not affiliated with the Plumbers was a criminal sent there by their government. We've seen repeatedly that the aliens see Earth as, well, not worth caring about. They give control of the planet to vicious warlords who can win a fight, or they sell the right to wipe out all life on Earth to whoever gives them enough money, or they send their prisoners here. Why shouldn't we think every alien is a threat when the least threatening aliens simply don't care? |
| 317 | *** Alright, here's the thing. Verdona would be too powerful of too contain anyway, so would Vilgax. Kevin's dad and most of the Alien Force's parents, if not all, were Plumbers. As for the Vreedles and most of Ben's enemies, Ben gets to them first. And the "giving control of earth to vicious warlords who can win a fight" is for ''every'' planet in the universe, as it's a pitched fight between conquerer and the planet's strongest warriors, which would negate a lot of damage to the planet by war. Vilgax's 'right to destroy Earth' meant he could have his way with the planet. They could ''try'' to stop him (attempt war), but he had a massive fleet and planet destroying weapons (something we know for a fact he had from the original series) and Vilgax himself is a PersonOfMassDestruction, Earth wouldn't have stood a chance in an outright fight with his forces. So the Conquer's Challenge gave Earth a fighting chance and was said (either in universe or WordOfGod, can't remember) it was put in place due to the Highbreed invasion to prevent a overall superor race from dominating a lesser one completely. As for Volcanis' buying a deed to terraform Earth, I seriously doubt he got his hands on that legally, there are a huge number of ways he could've forged it or got it illegally. But you're missing my question completely. For sake of arguement '''assume Ben was right''' and the conditions were horrible down there, inhuman. Is that at ALL justifiable simply because they're not humans? Or should they, despite being criminals, be treated like any prisoner, just with the proper secrutity? |
| 318 | *** When it comes to the safety and protection of the 6 billion defenseless people on Earth in the face of an uncaring universe, 'right' and 'wrong' almost entirely go out the window. Would it be better to treat them better? Yes, it would. But every single one of those 775 aliens has technology far superior to ours (they are, after all, spacebound) and most of them, from what we've seen, have superpowers that make them more of a threat than any other prisoner out there. And Rozum has no idea which ones. Maybe one of them has powers strong enough that he'd be virtually unstoppable once he gets his hands on a plastic tray, who knows? Maybe one of them is like Ra'ad, and virtually unstoppable when there's an electrical system nearby. Rozum has no way of knowing how many of them could be unthinkably dangerous in the right conditions. How many of those prisoners might have been planetary conquerors like Vilgax? How many of those prisoners might have been the vanguard of an invasion force, ready to tell their superiors back home that Earth was worth conquering? How many of them were, perhaps, doing what the Highbreed were trying to do, and take over the Earth right under our noses? Unless we can confidently answer "none," and we can't, there is no 'wrong' we can do in keeping these aliens from destroying the Earth or its inhabitants. And the show said they should turn those criminals over to the Plumbers, who support an organization that does something so unthinkably monstrous that you're still trying to claim it was a forgery. That actually seems to believe that there is a price to pay that's too much for a people's safety and sovereignty (imagine if the American Revolutionary War had been settled with a duel between George Washington and King George, or if World War 2 was decided by a succession of wrestling matches between Hitler and the leaders of other countries) Whether it gave Earth "a fighting chance" (I don't buy it, even now we've seen how many superhumans Earth has) or not, the mere act of willingly participating means that Earth would have surrendered their sovereignty to the intergalactic government. Hell, ask 775, who claimed to be a ''freedom fighter'' what he thinks of a conqueror's challenge, which would render all of his actions in defense of his planet ''illegal.'' The intergalactic government has shown itself repeatedly to be monstrously uncaring, and Earth is supposed to put its protection entirely within their hands? |
| 319 | *** Alright, I see we're never going to agree on anything. We don't know the full story about the intergalactic governemnt so everything else is just assumption. We won't agree, let's just stop this before we get into a flame war and both get banned. |
| 320 | ** The thing that seems questionable to me is, how could Prisoner 775 possibly know what had happened to his family? He'd spent the last several decades in solitary confinement, so it seems unlikely that he would've gotten updates on the status of his homeworld. |
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| 322 | * Okay, so Ultimate Ben can use any of his alien's powers without transforming into them right? So what happens when he uses Goop's power? Does he melt into a pile of flesh-colored gunk? What about when he uses Upgrade? If his arm gets chopped off can he regrow it using Swampfire's power? Does he become small when he uses Nanomech? Does he split into ribbons using Benmummy and grow eyes all over his body using Eyeguy? How about Stinkfly? Does he shoot sludge out of his eyeballs? Do diamonds grow out of his skin when he uses Diamondhead? Can he stretch his tongue with Upchuck? Does he have split personality problems using Echo Echo? How does he use Ultimate Humungousaur's Rocket Launchers? Heck, what if he's using Ultimate Ben and Big Chill's reproduction cycle kicks in? Lots of his aliens' powers are dependent on their [[BizarreAlienBiology unique physhiology]], so how exactly are they incorporated into Ultimate Ben? |
| 323 | ** Stuff like that would probably bump up the rating of the show. OTOH, all of that sounds really cool LovecraftianSuperpower. |
| 324 | ** Well, we see him use Diamondhead's crystal spike-launcher trick, and the spikes seem to just kind of...appear. And he [[{{Sizeshifter}} gets bigger]] when he taps into Ultimate Humongousaur, so yeah, he probably shrinks with Nanomech. As for the rest of it, it sounds like BodyHorror, and [[{{Fanon}} it makes a good explanation for why Ben 10,000 doesn't]] [[ForgotAboutHisPowers use more of his aliens]]. |
| 325 | ** It is entirely possible he was exaggerating when he said "all of them". |
| 326 | |
| 327 | * Ultimate Swampfire cant regenerate. Ultimate Humongosaur cant grow. Ultimate Echo Echo cant duplicate. Considering they're suppose to be stronger evolutions, what sense that makes? |
| 328 | ** The evolution function uses a simulation of civil war for the species in question for a macroevolutionary length of time. Methanosians lost regeneration because they became petrified wood for more resiliance- if you're damaged enough in real war to need regeneration, you're damaged enough for the enemy to kill you too much to regenerate, so the resiliance was a better adaptation. Vaxasaurians became more physically strong in their base form than in their grown forms, making the act of growing unneccesary and an exercise in proving a bigger target- he doesn't ''need'' to grow to be objectively stronger, and so it was lost. Sonorosians duplicated solely to amplify their sonic blasts- a waste of energy compared to their Ultimate version, which uses small sonic discs instead for the same result with much less expended energy. |
| 329 | ** Also, Vaxasaurian's size changing may have been for defense purposes, bigger creature, harder to attack. Ultimate Humongosaur has armored platting, horns, and a spiked club, all of which are far better defenses than growing. |
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| 331 | * So, Eunice copy the abilities of animals. That's fine, but one thing always bothered me. Bear = telekinesis? She moves that rock with telekinesis! How does that work? |
| 332 | ** She pushed rock with her hand. And yes I know sounds like she absorbed Superman rather than bear. |
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| 334 | * In 'Eye Of The Beholder' Jet-Ray enters hyperspace. Since when could Jet-Ray do that? When was it even implied that Jet-Ray could do that? And this wasn't even 'Ultimate' Jet-Ray, this was the regular kind that couldn't even catch Verdona. Talk about NewPowersAsThePlotDemands. |
| 335 | ** The artists just got lazy and didn't want to design anymore Ultimate Forms despite the fact that that's what the show's partially about... |
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| 337 | * Why does almost everyone in the show consider the first Ben 10,000 a jerk. In the enhanced version of Ben 10,000, it was stated that some very bad event happened when he was 15 and caused his personality change. For all we know, his immaturity and overconfidence could have put him off guard and caused the death of an ENTIRE galaxy or people very close to him and believe me when things like that happen it can traumatize someone. The only reason UA Ben doesn't act like this now is because everything's gone rosy for him. You've seen how he was like when Grandpa Max was missing and when he almost lost Gwen, Kevin, his parents, and Julie? And yet they still want to call the original Ben 10k a jerk. |
| 338 | ** It's because he isn't the nicest guy when compared to the new Ben 10k. |
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| 340 | * The whole episode of basic training, what the hell was with Ben in this episode. He understandably would have some problems with authority, but he just ignored orders and changed without even caring about the consequences that he and his friends would have to endure |
| 341 | ** The reason Ben changed is because 1. It was a dumb idea and 2. Ben, Gwen and kevin could have died if Ben didn't change. |
| 342 | ** And what's even annoying is that Ben still PASSES! Well then again I knew he'd pass but a 95? Seriously why are they deciding to turn Ben into a "genius" without any reason. |
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| 344 | * Where naked aliens are keeping their universal translators? Because apparently Bivalvin, Ra'ad and Andreas had one. Galapagus apparently never considered leaving his planet, and P'andor may keep his in armor, but rest lack any excuses. |
| 345 | ** Since the Plumbers' Badges and the Omnitrix apparently work as universal translators, maybe the aliens only have to be within range of the translator for it to work? Like you said, P'andor might have had one in his armor, so maybe that's why the Andromeda aliens could understand each other? |
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| 348 | * With Vilgax's tank destroyed, all that really separated Ben and the others from him was a stone wall that had just closed. So...Why don't they break through? Heck, nearly all of Ben's aliens have a way of busting through, and it wouldn't have been hard to kill or even arrest a weaken Vilgax! Ben didn't even have to do it, Kevin or Gwen could have probably busted it down in under a minute. Why let a simple wall stop you from stopping, perhaps, your greatest enemy and a killer of thousands? |
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| 350 | * Echo Echo can fly? I mean normal Echo Echo, not Ultimate. In Greetings From Technorg, the clones floated into the air. How? Is this a new power? Why did not one mention it? Is it an error in animation? Its a pretty big one, if it is! |
| 351 | ** Apparently one of the writers confirmed that he can fly so this just falls under NewPowersAsThePlotDemands. |
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| 353 | * Ultimate Echo Echo has been able to survive in space (and still use his sonic attacks. How there is sound in space is another question entirely). So doesn't this mean he doesn't need to breathe? But in The Perfect Girlfriend, he was seemingly choking on nanites. How? Why does he even have lungs if he doesn't need to breathe? Were they tearing him apart from the inside? If so, why not say that? Or just not say anything at all and let the viewers figure it out? I'm just confused is all. |
| 354 | ** BatmanCanBreatheInSpace |
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| 356 | * Can someone tell me where Matt Wayne is answering questions and giving out Words of God? Because I read on the Ben 10 wiki that Fasttrack (the new blue and black alien with superspeed) is more powerful than XLR8 (the original blue and black alien with superspeed). If this is true, then this just seems like a giant slap in the face for fans of the original series. I mean, what's the point of XLR8 then? |
| 357 | ** http://dwaynemcduffie.com.mylampsite.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2906&sid=549822dd0d78540b4d206cf150ae859f&start=750 |
| 358 | ** Maybe FastTracks stronger but XLR8'S faster. |
| 359 | *** They might actually be the same speed. Fasttrack can't stop on a dime like XLR8 can. |
| 360 | * If Gwen has a spell that instantly brings about sleep, why not use it more often? |
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| 362 | * Can someone explain what happened in Ultimate Sacrifice to me? Bn's Ultimate Forms became sentient somehow and somehow brought him inside the Ultimatrix, and tried killing him. He agrees to kill himself, but in the end everything is okay. Why? These aliens tried burning Ben alive (where did that fire come from?) and he lets them just go? I understand the Ultimates being upset about being trapped in wherever they are, but they didn't even try to find another way. Why not talk to Ben and ask him to talk to Azmuth about it? Why not try a more peaceful action rather than skipping right to burning Ben alive? |
| 363 | ** Okay, in order: The Ultimatrix was malfunctioning and creating a new personality to go with each Ultimate form Ben used, just like Ghostfreak in the original series (and why Ben didn't bring that up, I don't know). Getting pulled [[BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind into the Ultimatrix]] makes no sense, I agree with you there. The fire seems to be a representation of the recycle bin, or the reset button, or something along those lines. Ben agreeing to kill himself is a case of MessiahCreep, and so is letting them go afterwards, although that's also the pragmatic thing to do ("The five of them have been beating the crap out of me, and if we fight here in the real world, innocent bystanders might get hurt. Luckily, they're willing to leave peacably."). As for the part where we could have avoided all of this, each one of them has been stuck in there since the first time Ben used their form, when Ben ''does'' use their form they seem to view it as being trapped inside their own body while he controls it, and they all seem to have FakeMemories of living in the kind of DeathWorld that would force the base species to evolve into Ultimate forms, which is not conductive to talking things out. Or at least Ultimate Humongousaur does. |
| 364 | ** Thank you. Just one more question. I can understand the Ultimate Forms being upset about imprisonment in their own bodies, but whenever Ben was controlling them, he used them for good. True, he stole and forced his control on their bodies, but everytime he did it, it was to protect the lives of the innocent or to stop someone who was threatening others. While I can understand being angry about imprisonment, the fact that they were being used to save lives and fight for good should have made them a little more considerate towards Ben. Instead, they were cheering and screaming out 'BURN! BURN! BURN!' |
| 365 | ** Again, FakeMemories. DeathWorld. Ultimate Humongousaur talks about his mom trying to kill him before he'd even hatched, so presumably the rest of the Ultimate Five had similiarly antisocial [[FakeMemories upbringings]]. They don't care what Ben's using them for. |
| 366 | ** That makes sense...I wished they had made it more obvious, but I'll buy it. One last question. When Ben was trying to get away, he turned into Brainstorm. Isn't that one of the worst choices he could have made for running away? Wouldn't XLR8, Jetray, or even Fasttrack (who annoys me greatly just by existing, but we'll ignore that) would have been better choice? |
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| 369 | * Pretty minor compared to some of the rantings above, but there's one thing that keeps bugging me about "Ultimate Sacrifice": where is Ultimate Wildmutt? Website/TheOtherWiki shows that the production codes are all in order, so...??? |
| 370 | ** Two possible reasons. 1: He hadn't been used enough? Or was too recently made to have a sentient mind yet, perhaps? 2: Bad writing. |
| 371 | ** [[WildMassGuessing He was the only Ultimate who was on Ben's side,]] [[WMG/PoisonOakEpilepticTrees and the other Ultimates killed him to test their Ben-killing device.]] |
| 372 | * Has anyone noticed the recent (and headscratching) boost in 'New Powers as the Plot Demands?' I'm not talking about new aliens, I'm talking about existing aliens gaining new powers out of nowhere, like Way Big's superspeed, Jetray's power to travel faster than sound and not need air, or normal Echo Echo's ability to hover. If they had gone to Ultimate Form, I may have bought it, but the fact is, they didn't. Not to mention Diamondhead actually being able to mentally control diamonds like a rock version of Magneto and his diamonds exploding when he used them. Also, the idea that some of the previous aliens have changed due to Ben's age doesn't count anymore. Matt Wayne said all of the aliens are 'prime specimens of their race' so age has nothing to do with it. I can understand Ben learning more about the aliens as time goes on, but this is getting ridiculous. |
| 373 | ** Waybig has superspeed? |
| 374 | *** Yes, in the episode ''"The Widening Gyre"'' Way Big defeats the MonsterOfTheWeek by running superfast around it creating a tornado that launches it into the sun. My problem with that episode is that it is of such low quality. The show seems to be becoming episodic with writing not too dissimilar to comic books. |
| 375 | *** In all fairness, Ben 10 has always been pretty episodic in nature. Even when a season ''does'' have a story arc, most of the season is usually taken up by MonsterOfTheWeek fights. As a prime example, I point to Season 2 of the original series, in which the seasonal story dealing with Kevin 11 only got 3 episodes revolving around it. Granted, the episodic nature ''is'' particularly jarring in this season of Alien Force, given that we've got at least ''two'' dangling plotlines (Vilgax as Dagon and the Forever Knights) vying for screentime... |
| 376 | *** And now Spidermonkey/Ultimate Spidermonkey can breathe in space and survive orbital reentry... at least it ALMOST made sense for Cannonbolt to be able to in the original. |
| 377 | ** HE DIDNT BREATHE IN SPACE. That was the point. He fall off the ship, because they flew up and he couldnt breathe. |
| 378 | * During the Ben 10 generator rex heroes united crossover event why did Ben never go Nanomech? I mean that would of been a perfect opportunity for him to go Ultimate Nanomech! Not saying I didn't like the new alien or seeing some some of the old ones (XLR8 and Upgrade) but seriously it was a perfect opportunity for it. Also why didn't he go Ultimate at all during that hole indecent? Though later on it wouldn't have helped. |
| 379 | ** Well for the Ultimate thing, I have a theory. The Man of Action guys thought, like some fans, that the Ultimate Forms are ridiculous, so they refused to acknowledge it. Same reason why Ben doesn't announce his name, or use Fastrack, in my opinion. The Man Of Action writers preferred to ignore some things about the newer series. Something I'm not unhappy about, as that made the special better than the actual show for me. |
| 380 | *** (OP) I've come up with a couple of theories why Ben didn't go Nanomech. 1. Rex can't shrink so it would have just been Nanomech vs Alpha Nanite. Though that falls short because Rex could of still distracted him. 2.Ben though he would be possessed by Alpha if he went Nanomech(a Bio-mechanical creature) but that also falls flat due to the fact he can shrink down to that size and he used upgrade which is worse that Nanomech if it came to that. So I still got nothing on the why we had no Nanomech. |
| 381 | *** He didn't go Nanomech for several reasons. One, Nanomech's very name is misleading. He is ''micro''scopic, not ''nano''scopic. The scale between him and Alpha would be vastly different. Two, Nanomech has been used in situations where he needs to damage technology on a similar or larger scale. Nanites are below that. Three, Nanomech's first and only effective use against machines his size was against the nanochips, which share the previously noted misleading name (they are ''micro''chips, but that just doesn't sound alien enough). Furthermore, the queen he defeated was one enemy. Alpha can call upon trillions of nanites to fight Ben at any scale. Nanomech was useless, no matter how you slice it. |
| 382 | * So, did Ben think warning the Plumbers about the Circle's powers would be a bad idea? |
| 383 | * Kevin and Ben make a big fuss about Gwen teleporting them while in the Rustbuckket 2. In Kevin's own words, '...sick, we're going a 1000 miles an hour, and we're a mile up. Its too dangerous.' So...Why don't they just land the ship? They don't have to be moving. They can land and stand still, so it can be easier for her. Kevin says it himself they're going a 1000 miles an hour (an exaggeration I'm sure, but still) and they're only a mile up. Can they really not spare a couple of seconds to land the ship? |
| 384 | ** Seriously, anyone? |
| 385 | *** Unfortunately, the answer is something along the lines of "The writers don't care". they just don't. They felt like creating the illusion of drama and tension without actually doing something. All they would've needed to do is have a plot development wherein the ship is damaged and is crashing which would justify why Kevin's statement and apprehension, but no. they just decided to be lazy. Pretty much every headscratcher on this page can be summed up with that line, too. |
| 386 | *** Wait, I thought they were over the ocean. How do you land on water? |
| 387 | |
| 388 | * In the "Mother of all Vreedles" quite a bit of salt of saltwater is used to produce those twins, who end up just being taken off the planet. What happens to all that water taken out of the water cycle? Was it just an insignificant amount? I'm fairly sure that even with all that "clone mix" the water removed from the Earth should have mattered somewhere. |
| 389 | ** Look again, while yes, ''plenty'' of clones were made, they weren't really that large a quantity of mass (maybe a public swimming pool's worth). The entire lot of that episode was mostly a joke, other questions that could be asked : what about the fish?How would 600,000,000,000 children fit on the island (the water would not recede ''that'' much..), why are they born with clothes? Why can a cloning device opperate with the complexity of a Barbie Oven Kit? |
| 390 | * So is Dagon a dragon or a Cthulhu-like tentacle monster? The Forever Knights call him a dragon, and their leader actually fought him so they're probably right. Then again, "dragon" might have been the catchall term for "big horrible monster" back in the Middle Ages. |
| 391 | ** A thousand years is more than enough time for the word "Dagon" to corrupt into "Dragon." |
| 392 | ** Apparently Cthulhu-like tentacle monster. Hideous enough to force Kevin and Gwen to turn away in disgust in any case. |
| 393 | *** I think Daigon can turn into a Dragon. He apparently brought someone back from the dead, I wouldn't be surprised. |
| 394 | |
| 395 | * Why do all the aliens look human? On the first series, this was odd, but not too bad with aliens like Wildmutt, Stinkfly, and Wildvine, but now Ben has like 60 aliens and most of them are shaped like humans. These are aliens, why do they need to look so human? |
| 396 | ** So that the animators don't go completely insane figuring out realistic motions and/or struggling to keep motions realistic? Face it, animators and artists are generally trained first and foremost to be good with four-limbed bipeds and humanlike faces; quadrupeds second and less good, and everything else more creative and "alien" is either a really distant third or they need to wing it and risk looking ridiculous. Besides, humanlike makes it easier for the chracters to emote and for the viewers to sympathize/understand/notice emotion. Same general reason behind the BishonenLine. |
| 397 | ** I can understand a majority of aliens looking human for it be easier, but there's barely a handful of really alien aliens. I'm not asking for a Cthulu or something, but in the original series, while most aliens were humanoid, at least the ratio of more alien aliens wasn't as bad as it is now. All I'm asking for a few more aliens with more...alien aspects, like Wildvine's tentacle legs. I know it'll be hard, but it's just a personal problem I've had throughout most medias... |
| 398 | ** But then you have to ask how many times to those non-humanoid aliens appear? In the original his most used alien was Four-Arms humanoid with an extra pair of arms. I don't remember the actual numbers but I'm pretty sure the most frequent non-humanoid alien was Stinkfly due to him being the most helpful (flight). Heatblast was also a big one again humanoid. |
| 399 | ** I suppose I can understand it....But it just bugs me how there are practically NO non-humanoid aliens now. How many non-humanoid aliens have Alien Force and Ultimate Alien made? Spidermonkey, Jetray....Maybe Terraspin? I'm seriously scratching my head at this. I get that humanoid is easier to draw and animate, but the least they could do is make a non-humanoid alien appear once every half season or something to just remind us not all aliens look like guys wearing costumes....Hell, at least Fourarms had an extra pair of arms! Swamkfire, Fasttrack, Water Hazard, and so many other aliens just look like guys in rubber suits.... |
| 400 | ** For the record, writers are bugged more to make merchandise then work at the convenience of animators. ''WesternAnimation/GeneratorRex'' works fine with well past 100 completely unorthodox creatures in it,there is usually a couple of new, non humanoid's each episode. |
| 401 | *** i assumed it was the celestial sapiens warping reality and the evolution of races to look similar to them, they are completely humanoid in shape. |
| 402 | ** It's possible that humanoid is simply the superior model. In real life sharks, dolphins and the now extinct ichthyosaur are about as unrelated as any animals and yet have very similar body designs. Perhaps the same is true in Ben 10, most sentient beings came out with similar designs because being bipedal clears up your hands for manipulating your environment and everything else is tiny details in the grand scheme of things. |
| 403 | * I just finished watching "Perfect Girlfriend" I'll avoid spoilers. But does anybody else find it odd that Julie doesn't just use Ship to fly to her tournament or match that she's going to? Its an alien vehicle that can shape shift at will into a variety of objects. Also they could have just flown in the Rust Bucket 3 (the jet/space plane) and dropped Julie off. Why make her suffer through commercial air flight? I know the first reason is plot logic and to have Ship freak out later because of it. But its still a lapse in logic for the characters, especially Kevin who loves to fly his ship around. Then again seeing how large this page is the writers tend to have a lapse in logic a lot. |
| 404 | ** If this was Alien Force We could just assume that she did that to keep Ship a secret. But since this is Ultimate Alien and Aliens are known to the general public ''that'' idea is thrown out the window. |
| 405 | |
| 406 | * The prison in the null void. Ok I get why Kevin had to be sent there by The Tennysons, they didn't have the resources to handle him properly. But once he was in the prison system, shouldn't any number of adults said "Wait a second why do we have a child in a prison for the most hardcore adult criminals? Also, he's an Osmosian who seems to have absorbed energy, which causes insanity. Maybe he should be in some sort of energy detox instead of prison?" Even if they couldn't tell he was a child when he was mutated, you'd think they'd put it together after he managed to detox on his own and drop the mutation. Where was the oversight in that prison? Not to mention, he's apperantly been sent back there several times. And unless he was caught and sent back several times before only right before returning to earth, that means he's been sent to the most hardcore prison before he was even sixteen. I get that they might have different age related laws in space, but come on, he's not an adult by the standards of either species he's a hybrid of, don't they take that into account? Why did they never try to send him back to earth to be with his parents? |
| 407 | ** If as I recall the guy in charge of the prison was corrupt, and might not have wanted to let anybody out for fear of word spreading of any potential sightings of illegal actions. |
| 408 | *** Unless I'm remembering wrong, he wasn't the one in charge when Kevin was there as a child, he only got control later. Edit: Yep, just re-watched, he was only a guard when Kevin was young. So why did on one think holding a kid there was a bad idea? |
| 409 | *** I can't help but think that at some point someone did. Remember, it's been stated that he is/was on parole, something you don't normally get after murder and a prison escape. I'm willing to bet someone noticed when they brought him back in and was like 'what the flying-? why is their a kid in here?!' |
| 410 | * So they're uh...just letting Charmcaster stay in charge of Ledgerdomain? They took down Adweydja because he was an evil dictator, but they won't take down Charmcaster, who successfully murdered over 600000 people (at least temporarily), and now seems to be the dictator in charge....because why? I mean I'm sad for her and her dad and everything but 'being super sad' isn't really reasonable justice for her crime. |
| 411 | ** Because they can't. She killed them once, she could do it again. |
| 412 | ** The only reason they died first time around was because they weren't very bright. They have an entire team of young Plumbers, not to mention they can call in the more grown up Plumbers for help. They can plan. Strategize. Think things through for a change. |
| 413 | ** And still wind up facing someone with power on the level of a god and easily as strong as all three of them put together. They'd need an army to have a chance of besting her in a straight fight. They're very up front about their chances: Charmcaster is crazy powerful now and it's not a battle they can win. They couldn't even beat Adweydja; Aggregor did that. |
| 414 | ** Don't they already have an army? They have the Plumbers on their side, after all. Maybe even call in a favor with the Sentient Ultimates. Or even use a plan. Talk to Hex, try to find artifacts or spells to take her down. If they can't do it, talk to someone who can. Be pro active. This isn't Diagon, Charmcaster isn't an omnipotent Eldritch Abomination. |
| 415 | *** "Sorry, but we need to borrow your army of superpowered agents to fight a brooding girl in an alternate dimension, and you may or may not lose a lot of them in the process." Ben doesn't have ''that'' much influence. She isn't worth the trouble as long as she stays put. |
| 416 | *** Well if he phrases it like that, but saying "hey, there's an attempted mass murderer in charge of a dimension she's already tried to sacrifice once, and she's dictatoring it up, as plumbers, we have a moral responsability to try and free the people of legerdomain" will probably get a lot more takers |
| 417 | *** Because if they manage to take out Charmcaster, then there would be a power vacuum resulting in civil war between different factions wanting control. And in "Couples Retreat", it seems like Charmcaster just stays in her castle most of the time, not knowing what to do anymore since the events of "The Enemy of My Frenemy", so she's not really oppressing the population of Ledgerdomain. |
| 418 | *** Agreed, there was nothing in "Couples Retreat" indicating that Charmcaster '''was''' being a "dictator" anymore. |
| 419 | *** You can be a dictator and have a complicated love life at the same time. There's no reason to think she mellowed out any. We found out that freaking ''Vilgax'' is nice to little girls back home, but he's still, well, Vilgax. |
| 420 | *** WordOfGod was that, yes, Charmcaster apparently stopped running things like a dictator by "Couples Retreat". The lack of the Alpha Rune being worn by her was meant to be a visual cue showing that. When her father says "Don't be a dictator", being one is the last thing she'd want to do, after all. |
| 421 | * The sheriff in the Eggman Cometh is...arguably...the dumbest person I have ever seen. Not just for not believing the hero of Earth, but for threatening to try and arrest him and his superpowered friends. I mean...the police appearing in The Perfect Girlfriend were more intelligent than this! This is a level of stupid, beyond my willing suspension of disbelief! |
| 422 | ** Sadly, there are worse Sherrifs in real life that somehow keep getting elected |
| 423 | * Inspector 13 "Aldabran (Terraspin) Defence Scenario" is "Concussion Swarm". Why exactly? How are tiny flying explosives best weapon against alien that can easily blow them away? |
| 424 | ** Maybe the defense scenario for a rarely seen alien from another galaxy wasn't perfect yet? I mean, they have to get the defense scenarios from experience of some sort, and the one for Aldbrans was probably updated after that encounter. |
| 425 | ** Terraspins are extremly peacefull race. They're barely worth effort. |
| 426 | * Why are Arachnachimps blue considering that their tree are brown and green just like ours? Shuldnt they're highly visible? |
| 427 | ** Same reason tropical birds are brightly colored, presumably. Sexual selection for bright colors acting as a signal for strong genes regarding resisting parasitism. |
| 428 | |
| 429 | * with celestialsapiens have immeasurable reality warping powers but rarely use them because of their split personalities and the baby celestialsapiens have the same reality warping power but don't have multiple personalities shouldn't they be warping the universe all the time? |
| 430 | ** They're ''babies''. They don't know how to warp around the universe. |
| 431 | ** The babies all appear to be contained inside bubbles held by one of the parents. Presumably, one thing all personalities always agree on that playpen design has to include anti-[[RealityWarper Reality Warping]] measures. |
| 432 | ** "Motion to clean up Junior's mess." |
| 433 | * Episode 6, The one with pand'or, Why was gwen in any danger in the first place? She's an EnergyBeing So I don't really see how radiation can hurt her. |
| 434 | ** She's an energy being in a squishy meat suit, and the more she leaves the meatsuit, the more she risks losing it altogether until such time in the distant future that she learns to craft a new one. Chances are she doesn't really know how to repair her meat body without that usual risk of losing it that comes with going full Anodite. |
| 435 | ** The meat suit isn't really organic as much as a suit isn't it? Radiation simply causes cancer and whatnot to organic life and screws with their cells. Although wearing a radioactive meatsuit isn't really good for people so I guess that's why. P.S. LOL meat suit |
| 436 | |
| 437 | * How come when we meet some of Ben's aliens' species, they have powers he doesn't or the other way around? "''That one'' can or can't do that" doesn't always work, either: it's most notable with one of the Andromeda aliens, which he directly scanned. Ra'ad can turn into electricity and travel across wires, control (or at least activate) the electronic devices he encountered in that state, and read minds by sensing the electrical impulses in people's brains. As [=AmpFibian=], Ben can do ''none'' of this and is limited to zapping stuff. If he'd had the full measure of Ra'ad's powers, his life would be much easier. The same goes for PersonOfMassDestruction Andreas. Entire Forever Knight bases were being utterly demolished and we didn't even know ''how'' at fist. As Armodrillo, Ben's quakes are much more localized. You'd be safe if you were far on the other size of the room. (Now, Ben ''usually'' doesn't have a reason to destroy an entire city block, so that makes sense ''most'' of the time... but there are times he ''does.'' Andreas' full power would have made a season finale battle or two a three-minute affair.) |
| 438 | ** Ben doesn't know how to do everything his aliens can do. He hasn't trained to know how to travel over electric lines or read thoughts. |
| 439 | |
| 440 | * What happened to the utility of the master control? In the original series, we saw Ben 10,000 use it for combos like jumping into the air with Fourarms and slamming down with Cannonbolt or laying down a layer of water with Spitter and electrifying it with Buzzshock. When present Ben unlocked it, he was able to fight his two greatest enemies simultaneously by rapidly switching between small, fast, and evasive forms and strong, hard-hitting ones. When Azmuth unlocked it in Alien Force, Ben didn't pull off creative tricks like this, but he at least changed forms a bunch to use different attacks. Yet in Ultimate Alien after Inspector 13 unlocks the Ultimatrix's master control, absolutely nothing changes about Ben's use of aliens. Did the writers forget about it? |
| 441 | ** Presumably it was locked again, after Ben rebooted the 'trix. |
| 442 | |
| 443 | * What exactly did Albedo want the Ultimatrix for in "Night of the Living Nightmare?", as seen in Omniverse he needed a different device, which he created without access to the Omnitrix, so why did he want the Ultimatrix. |
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