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8	[[caption-width-right:350:Wait, did the game just tell me to order a hint book?]]
9	->''An obstacle stands in your way! There doesn't seem to be anything obvious...''
10	-->-- ''[[GuideDangIt guide]]''
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12	Note that in the early days of adventure gaming, one of the first things a player is told to do by other players is to "try everything", so to keep them challenging, the designers would often add in a few puzzles requiring solutions most people wouldn't think of trying, even with a hint or two dropped. In this case, the GuideDangIt was not created to sell strategy guides, but to simply make the game more challenging. Such things were usually considered a "clever puzzle" back then, even though the hint is only obvious in retrospect. And usually the game wouldn't actively try to lead you away from the solution. Usually...
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16	* The ''Film/AceVentura'' licensed video game has a puzzle where you need to assemble several elements into a totem. No hints are given. You're supposed to figure out by trial-and-error, apparently, that it's supposed to be this abstract thing.
17	* Older Than The Internet. Have you ever tried playing the original text-based adventure game? It's called ''[[VideoGame/ColossalCave Adventure]]'', it invented the genre, and it's bloody difficult to figure out.
18	* Too many to count in the original ''VideoGame/AloneInTheDark'' trilogy, as well as ''Videogame/AloneInTheDarkTheNewNightmare'', but some examples from [[Videogame/AloneInTheDark1992 the first game]]:
19	** Pregzt, the final boss. What in the game hints at [[KillItWithFire burning him with the lamp]]?
20	*** Nothing in the game, but the [[AllThereInTheManual instruction manual]] has specific directions for what to do, only written backwards, i.e. ''eert eht fo retnec eht ta ti worht dna pmal eht thgiL''. Guide Dang It, indeed, because most people ignore PC game instruction manuals outright, if they got one with the game at all.
21	*** But there is a painting in the gallery that hints this. One painting in the entire gallery. That you can easily miss. Or not even know you ''can'' look at it.
22	** The third game is particulary full of these, but one stands definetely out: near the end of the game you come across an elevator guarded by a small man with a rifle. The doors of the elevator won't open, the man won't move or interact with you in any way, and differently by the dozens of gunmen that you have met and faced up to that point, trying to fight him will result in Carnby being shot dead on the spot. The solution? [[spoiler: You have to pour a bottle of water on the guy, which apparently causes him to pietrify and the doors of the elevator to open]]. The hint? [[spoiler: A criptic poem you find earlier that mention a guy that will teach you to fly if you offer him a drink]].
23	* The game adaptation of ''[[Literature/AndThenThereWereNone And Then There Were None]]'' tended to have solutions that were quite bizarre, and the only sort of in-game help provided were a series of cards with vague clues. The most infamous example comes from the second chapter: It's night, and you can only progress if you go upstairs and briefly check on the guests. Problem is, you need a flashlight with batteries, and Patrick will refuse to go upstairs until you find both items. The flashlight is relatively easy to find (it's in a drawer in the dining room), but the batteries are nowhere in immediate visible sight. And ultimately, where are the batteries? [[spoiler: In the flour sack in the pantry. You have to search through the flour twice to get them.]]
24	** Though this is arguably nowhere NEAR as horrible as one puzzle from Chapter 5. You need a parachute as part of an escape attempt in order to progress the plot, but one of the components needed is nowhere to be found. There is one path which seems to lead to a previously unexplored area, but there's a thorny hedge in the way. There are some goats nearby which might be able to eat the hedge, but you can't directly interact with them. What you need to do, [[SarcasmMode of course]], is [[spoiler: backtrack all the way to the orchard, get some apples, go to the house, make the apples into a fancy glass of cider, and finally '''pour said glass of cider on the hedge''' to make the goats eat it]]. Aside from the nonsensical solution ([[spoiler:do goats even like apple cider?]]), there's the fact that the previous time you had [[spoiler: a glass of something]], you gave it to someone in order to get them to talk to you; it's easy to assume the [[spoiler: cider]] would have a similar purpose.
25	* In the point-and-click game ''VideoGame/BeyondTheEdgeOfOwlsgard'', in order to progress in the early game, you need to pick up [[spoiler:the ''footprint'' in front of Finn's family's house to collect some dirt from it]], then offer it to Doggomir. Though the game makes it obvious you'll need to offer Doggomir something to follow the scent of, [[spoiler:the footprint (specifically, having to try picking it up)]] is a fairly obscure choice.
26	* Another point-and-click game, ''VideoGame/BlazingDragons'', had you stuck until a dodo delivered a message. Problem was that the dodo was being shot at by a hunter (who thankfully went to a certain [[ImperialStormtrooperMarksmanshipAcademy academy]]). The solution was to backtrack all the way back to the second room you probably visited and to stamp a dodo on [[ChekhovsGun the endangered species list]]. Afterwards, the hunter is arrested.
27	* ''VideoGame/{{Broken Sword}}: Shadow of the Templars'' has the infamous goat puzzle. At one point in the game you reach a screen with a goat tied to a stake in the ground, where you can do three things: go back, approach an old rusty plough or go to the entrance to the next screen. When you try the latter two options, you get butted by the goat, preventing you from progressing in the game. The solution is to click on the entrance to the next screen, then when you get hit by the goat and the player character is getting back onto his feet, click on the plough. George will ''jump up and run towards it'' and move it in such a way that when the goat tries to attack him again, its chain gets stuck on the plough. The game in no way indicates that you can actually do this.
28	** ''VideoGame/{{Broken Sword}} II: The Smoking Mirror'' has the boar puzzle. Not sure what it was with this series and troublesome animals. Late in the game you can only get to a certain path on an island by shooting a pig with a dart, which then charges you. If you grab a branch at just the right moment, then you can jump out of the way; the pig will charge through the undergrowth and open a new path — the one you'll need later to find your way off the island easily. If you don't, then he just knocks you down. You get up, dust yourself off and life goes on. If you'd grabbed the branch, you could go straight down the new path to your intended destination. If not, you have to [[http://www.gameboomers.com/wtcheats/pcBb/Broken%20Sword%20II/plateau.htm navigate the jungle yourself]]. You do this with directions that you are not told through three similar screens with six exits each that repeat whether you're lost or on the right track. There is no indication that you're making any progress or that you can progress, and one wrong path means starting again on the journey you don't even know you're on. Some players thought that the game was UnwinnableByDesign at this point and restarted.
29	* Creator/DouglasAdams's ''VideoGame/{{Bureaucracy}}'', in some very bizarre manner, makes some amount of sense with most if its puzzles to start with (a parrot missing its left wing will become very excited upon seeing a painting of Ronald Reagan-- think about it). However, when you get to the airport, the game requires you to climb one of the structure poles and crawl into the air ducts, and what happens when you leave the air ducts is bizarre, to say the very least. There is no indication at any point that you can do this, no sane person ever would, and this only marks the beginning of the puzzles making no lick of sense.
30	* All the ''VideoGame/ClockTower'' games have this to some extent, but by far the worst is ''Clock Tower II: The Struggle Within''. Not only are various endings based entirely on whether or not you happen to be playing as Alyssa or Bates at the time, but other random problems crop up - for instance, doors locked to Alyssa are open for Bates, even if you just changed personas. Possibly the worst example is a statue that, if examined, comes to life and chases you (providing a second antagonist for that scenario.) While you think you'd want to avoid this, if one ignores the statue, they're shoehorned into the "G" ending in the last level for no apparent reason.
31	** Although the game does have hints hidden in the levels, one of which mentions that changing personalities can alter stuff that happens in game, as well as a hint telling you that you have to examine the statue or you won't get the best ending.
32	* Try playing ''any'' Sierra game of the text-parser era without a hintbook, much less get a perfect score. Or something this side of ''VideoGame/ConquestsOfTheLongbow'' without a hintbook. Of course Sierra had its own 900 number for hints, so if you wanted you could get mysterious charges on your parents' phone bill and tell them it was all in the interest of completing more games.
33	** To add insult to injury, some Sierra games included the option to order the game's hint book right in the very same game over screen, which may have seemed outright condescending to many players considering how ridiculously obtuse some puzzle solutions were.
34	** Sierra also had an early online [[MessageBoard bulletin board]] (we're talking pre-world-wide web) that would offer the same hints as the 900 number. You just had to pay long distance charges to log into it, unless you happened to live in whatever area code it was based out of.
35	* Some of the Lost and Found items in ''VideoGame/FlowerSunAndRain'' are pretty straightforward. Some of them... not so much. For instance, the third one in Scenario 4 has the hint that the guest in room 407 drank all the cocktails from the restaurant, and they're worried because that's a lot of alcohol. No, you're not supposed to add together all the alcoholic ingredients listed for the cocktails. No, you're not supposed to add together all the ingredients, alcoholic or otherwise, either. You're supposed to add together the alcoholic concentration of the drink, that for someone without enough chemistry knowledge would be indistinguishable from temperature. Try guessing ''that'' without looking it up.
36	* ''VideoGame/GhostInTheSheet'':
37	** While funny (how many games start off by ''running you over with a bus''?), it features ''many'' Guide Dang It moments because what you can and can't muck around with isn't immediately apparent. Who knew you had to pick up a metal bar, and then sharpen it on the spinning, rubberless wheel of a suspended car? Funny game, but needs a little glowy aura around things you can pick up, and maybe some more {{Non Player Character}}s hanging around to drop the occasional hint.
38	** Even worse was an overly-convoluted puzzle that involved opening locker doors ''in a specific way'', and a "No Smoking" sign that was actually a ''button you had to press''! At least the eponymous Ghost didn't say this puzzle's solution was "obvious", like he did after inputting one of ''many'' numeric passcodes, this one which ''isn't'' stated out in the open and can only be figured out by determining a pattern out of ''previous codes'' found in a diary! And furthermore, how the ''hell'' are you supposed to figure out that you should ''electrify a bone in order to get a makeshift '''flute'''''?! Granted, this was an amateur-made AdventureGame created by two people using the freeware [[http://dead-code.org/home/ Wintermute Engine]], but you'd think they'd [[FakeDifficulty give more hints for these extremely-tough-even-for-an-adventure-game puzzles]]...
39	* ''VideoGame/GoldRush''. Let's start with the fact that the opening is a TimedMission and certain areas make the game {{Unwinnable}} if you spent too much time in the game. Then combine it with TrialAndErrorGameplay (on the "Land" route, at least). and then throw in a puzzle that requires you to not only have switched a mule you just bought for another one you have no reason to search for in the first place but also [[spoiler:have picked up a family picture (that you have no indication you can take) in your house at the start of the game before selling it]] and you have headaches WAITING to happen.
40	* English adventure game ''The Guild Of Thieves'' used this in the worst way: at one point, the player is asked to cross a path of coloured squares in a pattern. While the player gets the correct path, the game will '''not''' tell you how the squares are laid out. The solution: consult a paper map that was included with the game.
41	* ''Anime/{{Hamtaro}}''
42	** The UsefulNotes/GameBoy and GBA games fall into this trope rather well. Especially with the one character saying he'll only give you This if you give him That. [[spoiler: You LITERALLY have to find an item named "That" for him.]]
43	** ''VideoGame/HamtaroHamHamsUnite'' has [[LastLousyPoint Stars]]. After you finish the game, there are 12 stars scattered around in the different areas of the game. Most of them just require you to backtrack to a certain area and dig them up. Two of these Stars, however, require you to cough up large amounts of Sunflower Seeds to seemingly random {{Non Player Character}}s. But they don't just give you the Star on your first payment, oh no. You could pay them twice, or twenty times. It's completely random. Hope you have lots of money.
44	** Another example from Ham Hams Unite is those damned Rocks. Rocks are scattered around the world and you are never told what they are for. [[spoiler: You use Rocks to unlock a door underneath the Sky Garden. The door is unlocked when you collect 26 Rocks, plus a special Rock, and put them in the bin to reach 100 grams of Rocks.]] Even worse, in order to get the final special Rock, known as the Heavy Rock, you have to go through an incredibly long ChainOfDeals that spans 3 separate areas. So you not only have to find 26 Rocks, you have to suffer a pain-in-the-ass FetchQuest. And what's behind this door? [[spoiler: A secret shop where you get an exclusive song.]] Yep. That's all you get.
45	* Creator/{{Infocom}}'s ''VideoGame/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy1984'' adventure game. Ye gods. Not only are many of the clues found in the literal in-game "guide," but there's no index on the thing, so you have to keep guessing searches. How else are you going to figure out that the Brownian motion is used to power the improbability drive? And in many puzzles, the Guide is about as informative as its entry on Earth. The early game is filled with {{Permanently Missable\|Content}} items whose function is often obscure and which you have to obtain on a time limit. Most notorious of these is the Babel fish: unlike in the book, where Ford simply sticks one in Arthur's ear, getting one in the game involves a bizarre puzzle in which two items (one of them probably lost already) get combined in a way that makes absolutely no sense until tried. Being overly familiar with the book doesn't help all that much, since the game diverges from the book's story; you have to prevent [[spoiler:the dog swallowing the microscopic space fleet]] from happening like it does in the book.
46	** One of the most egregious examples is the [[spoiler:toothbrush]] in your room on starting the game, which has a good chance of being required ''at the very end of the game''. Even the [[spoiler:junk mail]] that is required to get the [[spoiler:babel fish]] is hardly comparable.
47	*** For that matter is the puzzle where Marvin asks for a random tool. [[spoiler:It's always one you're missing if you don't have all of them.]] Adams said while designing this game he wanted to transcend user unfriendly and make it actively user malicious.
48	* ''VideoGame/IHaveNoMouthAndIMustScream'' is a deliberate example of this done at the insistence of Creator/HarlanEllison, creator of [[Literature/IHaveNoMouthAndIMustScream the original book]]. It's justified via GameplayAndStoryIntegration - the game's levels are VR scenarios designed by the [[AIIsACrapshoot sadistic supercomputer]] [=AM=] to psychologically torment the heroes, so he's obviously not going to make it easy for you to win. He's essentially made the scenarios unwinnable while lying to the heroes that they could get a prize for passing his trials. One especially recurrent example is that (likely going against the instinct of every gamer on the planet) there are multiple places where the player has to ignore, or even do the opposite of, the tasks they are given by the [=NPCs=], as they are avatars of the evil computer trying to trick you into losing. Even if you get past all that, it's still possible to screw up on the literal last screen of the game if you fail to [[SpottingTheThread spot the thread]] and realize that [[spoiler:the two seemingly "good" [=AIs=] that have been aiding you against the evil one are actually just as bad (they're ''also sadistic supercomputers'', just ones forcibly subsumed into [=AM=]) and were UsingYouAllAlong; they'll try to trick you into using an item to shut down just the main villain so they could take over in his stead, when the correct answer is to use another item to dispose of all three of them]].
49	* In ''[[VideoGame/IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade]]'', the travel function is unavailable after the first few sections of the game. Woe to those who didn't make use of it to visit every location and [[TryEverything pick up everything they possibly could]], because there are several very easily missed items that (due to the game's unforgiving combat system) are more or less essential to completing the game.
50	* The interactive fiction game ''VideoGame/{{Jigsaw}}'' gives you plenty of opportunities to completely screw yourself out of victory without even knowing it. Most of them are about failing to collect all the jigsaw pieces in a time period before doing something that renders them [[PermanentlyMissableContent lost forever]] (an in-game device does tell you if there are pieces you haven't discovered in that time yet, but it won't warn you when you're about to inadvertently make it impossible to get them), but the biggest one by a mile has to be the drawing competition at the very end of the game. To win it, you need to have collected a sketchbook and pencil hidden in a stool at the beginning of the game and sketched at least four animals over the course of the game. There's little indication in the game that this will become vital later on, and if you don't do it, you fail to get the competition prize ''and'' can't complete the game without it, even after you've spent hours slogging through all these historical {{Timed Mission}}s beforehand. ''Guide dang it!''
51	** What makes this ''especially'', ah, interesting is that the author of ''Jigsaw'', Graham Nelson, is also the author of "The Craft of Adventure", an essay on interactive fiction design whose "Player's Bill of Rights" basically warns designers ''not to do this sort of thing''. As Graham admitted, "like any good dictator, I prefer drafting constitutions to abiding by them."
52	** The worst part is how the first part of the game, the prologue, is not only timed, but incredibly hard as well. Plus, with older/obscure games like that, walkthroughs are rare, hard-to-access or both.
53	* The ''VideoGame/KingsQuest'' series, being both an AdventureGame and of {{Creator/Sierra}} pedigree, is replete with examples:
54	** [[http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/1771.html This]] ''Webcomic/IrregularWebcomic'' strip cites a moment (among ''many'') from ''VideoGame/KingsQuestV'' - a cat chases a rat across the screen early in the game. You are supposed to throw a boot at the cat (a boot that can only be found in an arbitrary part of the desert far to the west) so the rat can escape. What's that? You didn't? Well, the game is {{Unwinnable}} from that point on. As seen in the page for UnwinnableByDesign, Sierra is famous for that.
55	*** Actually, you can throw the boot ''or'' a stick, which is much closer (two screens west of where the cat appears). But you still have to know to do it. In some versions of the game, using the stick would render another event unwinnable and thus the whole game, as the dog does not fetch the boot... one screen to the left.
56	** By far the worst Guide Dang It in ''King's Quest V''. In the final area of the game, any time you stay too long in one room of the castle, the big bad wizard appears and kills you. So who would possibly guess that to progress you actually have to stand in the room with the Big Ominous Living Eye above the doorway for long enough for the wizard to go to sleep in his bed, when trying that anywhere else in the castle will kill you? Guide Dang It! Most of the nastier puzzles have earlier, simpler preparatory puzzles that have similar solutions to warn you. But not that one.
57	*** It's even more unintuitive by the fact that earlier you had to trap the wizard's brother (who was turned into a talking cat in a previous game) in a bag so that he wouldn't alert the former. Since you can do this anywhere, it is highly unlikely that you've done this in ''the same room''. But if you did, the wizard goes to sleep and ''doesn't notice'' the thrashing bag besides his bed?
58	** In one infamous puzzle in ''King's Quest V'', you must get a pie so that you can later ''throw it at a yeti''. This is doubly illogical, since between those two events is when [[WizardNeedsFoodBadly Graham needs food badly]].
59	** And, of course, there's the strange contraption in Mordack's laboratory... powered by cheese.
60	** In ''VideoGame/KingsQuestI'', "Ifnkovhgroghprm" was the infamous solution to a puzzle where a certain old gnome challenges Graham to guess his name in three tries. The only clues were that "Rumplestiltskin" is "very close but not quite right" (which requires using up one guess), and a note from a witch's cottage advising that "sometimes it is wise to think backwards". Even if you figured out the note refers to the gnome, the solution in the original version is not to simply spell "Rumplestiltskin" backwards, but instead to [[MoonLogicPuzzle use an alphabetic cipher]] with A=Z, B=Y, and so on ... which very few players -- even the hardened adventure gamers ''of the day'' -- could figure out without resorting to the [[RevenueEnhancingDevices official hint book]]. When Sierra created the game's EnhancedRemake, "Nikstlitselpmur" was added as a possible solution.
61	** In ''VideoGame/KingsQuestII'', a [[MemeticMutation pOIsonous]] snake blocks one path and getting too close will make it bite and kill Graham. What do you do? Throw a bridle on the snake, which transforms it into a flying horse. But did you try to instead kill the snake with your sword, as would seem obvious? Too bad, you've missed out on getting an item that lets you bypass a rather easy maze later in the game.
62	** Trying to find the golden bridle frustrated players of ''VideoGame/KingsQuestIV'' so much that it got a MythologyGag in ''VideoGame/KingsQuestVI'', along with references to several other infamous puzzles.
63	** ''VideoGame/KingsQuestVII'' was designed to appeal to younger players and had puzzles that were much, ''much'' easier than its predecessors, only to have moments like these due to [[FakeDifficulty poor application of game mechanics]]. The worst one is probably the first puzzle of the final chapter, where a magic wand has two settings, T and F, but the player isn't told about it, or what T and F actually stand for [[spoiler: and it isn't True or False, like what you'd expect from a wand that will restore an imposter to his true shape]], or why that would even be a matter of any concern, until ''after'' solving the puzzle, and the button to switch between those settings is [[PixelHunt only one tiny spot]] on the wand, which can only be interacted with when viewed from a certain angle, and is not actually visible on the device itself.
64	** Such fun in ''King's Quest'' gets even better with the official novelization. Most of it is explained away by Graham's family essentially being full of kleptomaniacs (always following an ancestor's advice to 'take anything that isn't nailed down', and if it is nailed down, 'check for loose nails'). Things like the bridle were simply explained by the main character goofing up (meaning to grab his sword, but grabbing the bridle instead). Yeah, when a professional fantasy writer can't figure out how to explain those away, you've got serious GuideDangIt on your hands.
65	* Point-and-click game ''VideoGame/{{KGB}}'' has the main character discover a clue leading him to a fishing boat about to leave town near the end of chapter two, but the game simply does not allow him to go to the docks unless he meets with an accomplice in the park and compares some rather unrelated information first - and said accomplice won't be in the park unless you talked to him earlier in the game and agreed on this meeting, even though there was no indication towards this being necessary, and you even being told specifically NOT to contact him at that point by an ally you had no reason to distrust. The game has a few more such moments (including one where you need to be at a certain place at a certain time in order to see one of the villains drive off, letting you trail him to your next destination. The game never even remotely hints at what you're supposed to do at this point), but this one is the most game-breaking in that you know what you are supposed to do, but the game just won't let you actually do it before you've done something else you never knew you were supposed to have activated in the first place. The fact that you learn nothing important from this guy, and he never does anything particularly helpful after this point does not help the case.
66	* In ''VideoGame/TheLabyrinthOfTime'', most of the game is standard point and click adventure, but at one point in the game in order to progress you need to move through a "Surreal Maze," which was a repeating room that could only be escaped by going through the exact right path. Very much like the Wind Fish's Egg in ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaLinksAwakening''. The only problem? Unlike ''Link's Awakening'', there is no point in the game in which you told this path. Even worse is the fact that there's no pattern to the solution either that you could conceivably guess; it's a completely random sequence of paths, and there is no way to finish the game without doing this maze.
67	* Example not directly related to the actual gameplay: ''VideoGame/LeisureSuitLarry 7: Love For Sail!'' included some graphics and dialogue that could be replaced at the player's whim, intended to allow players to place themselves physically in the game world. Sadly, the developers forgot to mention this feature in any of the game's documentation, and released the instructions through a patch later on.
68	* The puzzles in ''VideoGame/LimboOfTheLost'' were the final nail on the coffin for the game (before the game's rampant and shameless [[UsefulNotes/{{Plagiarism}} stolen assets]] got it pulled from shelves), as half the time they don't even begin to make sense. For example, early on in the game players are expected to put a ''worm'' into a flask of water to create tequila. Yes, you'd expect it would just make a flask of water with a worm in it, but it somehow turns into tequila regardless.
69	** Even more JustForFun/{{egregious}}ly is the [[SoulJar soul vial]] puzzle, where the player needs to fill an empty (green-tinted) vial with liquid to replace it with a vial containing a warrior's soul, which shines green in the vial. To do this, players are expected to fill the vial with water [[WaterIsBlue (which shines through as a blue colour, as opposed to clear as real-life water should)]] and mix some saffron into it to turn the water green (not that many players even know what saffron is or what it does in the first place, and those who do probably already know that saffron makes water yellow, not green).
70	* ''[[VideoGame/{{Manhunter}} Manhunter: New York]]'' and ''San Francisco'' are the worst. [[FissionMailed You have to get a game over a specific way]], and then you are given a name to search for later in the game. Normally, a game over in these games are something you try and ''avoid''. Especially since they would often either say "rest in peace" or a silly message. Meaning you probably would not think to take these as a hint - ''especially'' since a lot of those snarky death endings often say "That wasn't a good move!" or "Here's a hint: Don't do what you just did!"
71	* ''VideoGame/MermaidSwamp''
72	** Early on, doing something insignificant that one would do out of [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished kindness]] immediately locks the player from achieving the good ending. If one decides to [[spoiler: light a fire in Yuka's room]], that character is doomed to die. Nothing in the game indicates that this has an effect, not even one this big, or that it influences your ending (although the bad ending itself points out [[spoiler: heating the room was a bad idea]]).
73	** When the protagonist, Rin, is being chased by [[spoiler: a possessed Seitaro]] with an axe, she ends up stuck in a room and given the option to either dodge or not dodge. Of course, Rin needs to dodge, right? If she does [[spoiler: Seitaro misses, crashes through the weak floor and ends up impaled on the axe himself]]. And said character ends up dead, also leading to a bad ending. So Rin needs to not dodge, which goes against what anyone would do in such a situation. Oh, this choice is also time-limited, so if one takes too long to choose Dodge or Don't Dodge, Rin gets killed.
74	* ''VideoGame/MilonsSecretCastle'' [[http://www.gametrailers.com/player/44794.html?type=flv gets a lot of criticism on this front]], though most of it is exaggerated. Left+ Start continuing the game seems like a Guide Dang It, but it is mentioned [[AllThereInTheManual in the manual]]. Most of the secrets are not marked, but many of them are [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj6r4lff0-o optional]], or redundant, or placed in such a way that running through the most obvious path in the level with the shoot button held down will find them by accident. The reason this game belongs on the page? Milon can move blocks to reveal doors. This is not mentioned in the manual. This is not even slightly hinted at in the game; there is a shopkeeper who gives hints, but he found it more important to tell you to "FIND A SAW" (the saw is in an item shop, for free, in a game with infinite inventory space and no negative-effect items). Even if Milon is standing near a block he can move, and pressing up against it, the game's animation does not indicate that Milon is pushing it and you must push it for several seconds to move the block. Worst of all, the player cannot make ''any'' significant progress without figuring this one out; you can enter three rooms, only two of which will have anything in them.
75	* ''VideoGame/{{Myst}}'': Getting out of the Mechanical Age requires you to rotate the main area of the age to get to two small islands that have part of the password leading out. The problem? There was a bug in the game when it was first released that prevented the area from rotating towards one of the islands. A patch was later released to fix this, but until then players had to use the guide to find out what the solution was.
76	** Another one was the sound puzzle in the Selenitic Age. The water fountain and its microphone, as well as the blue page, are hidden in an area accessible only by a nearly invisible pathway off the main path. No wonder you can't find the water sound on the radio periscope device that tells you which order to play the sounds in, so you end up resorting to a guide or trial and error to find the solution. ''[=realMyst=]'s'' free-roam modification made this one a lot better.
77	*** That wasn't even the worst puzzle in the Selenetic Age; the puzzle to leave the Age is a ''massive'' labyrinth that must be navigated in a vehicle. Admittedly, the game does give you a hint about how to navigate it: when you arrive at an intersection, the console plays a noise which tells you which direction you're supposed to go next. The issue is that, while there is a way to figure out which sound connects to which direction, it's in another Age; and thanks to the open-world nature of the game, if you go to the Selenetic Age before the Mechanical Age, where the solution is located, you're royally screwed, since it's much harder to figure out the correct meaning- or even that there ''is'' necessarily meaning- from the Labyrinth puzzle. And to make things more complicated, if you go to the wrong intersection, which you almost certainly will, no sound will play at all!
78	** This was an amazingly pretty game for its time and a brilliant concept, but it was rough as hell, especially in the way the puzzles were implemented. The worst part was that even if you DID have a guide, it was still possible to miss the vital clue that would allow you to leave the Stoneship Age. That was the panel with the subtle red square on it which led to the room which lit up the ship's interior. There was just one problem: If the monitor's brightness wasn't turned up...really, REALLY bright...you wouldn't be able to see the square at all. Some monitors simply couldn't go bright enough. Cyan must have taken some serious heat for that, because the first thing Riven asks you to do after starting the game is to set the brightness.
79	** The sequel, ''VideoGame/{{Riven}}'' contains a more JustForFun/{{egregious}} one in the form of the "Animals Puzzle", which precious few gamers can honestly claim to have solved without a walkthrough. The problem wasn't coming up with the solution; that was difficult but not entirely impossible. The real problem was that, once you knew the right animals in the right order, the "keypad" you had to enter them into was not well-labeled, and it took forever to try to enter one particular permutation. Imagine a 10-digit keypad that actually has 20 keys, but some of the digits 0-9 are repeated. Except that, even though it looks like there are three 9's, only one of them is the ''real'' 9, and the others are fake even though they look very much like a 9. And the only way to tell which is real is to enter all of the permutations of the correct code. ''And'' it takes 30 seconds to enter a 5-digit number.
80	*** Even more GuideDangIt is the Fire Marble Dome Puzzle, which requires you to use ''topographical maps'' in order to pinpoint precisely where on the islands the domes are, so you can put those pinpointed locations in exactly the right spot on a grid that barely resembles all five islands puzzle-pieced together, so you can power up said domes.
81	*** ''Riven'' also requires you to notice [[spoiler:the one door in the game that doesn't close automatically behind you]] in order to proceed to a necessary area.
82	** There's also the three infamous "age end puzzles" in ''VideoGame/MystIVRevelation''. In one age, you manipulate monkeys in a certain way, but the puzzle was flawed upon the game's first releasing, so you didn't have much time to call the monkeys so they could be controlled in time, and if you didn't do that the right way and have all the monkeys in the right spot at the very end, you had to do it all over again. The second one involved playing certain harmonic frequencies in a certain order on some sort of instrument, but the notches on the instrument you had to line up with were picky, and it was also a timed puzzle that you had to do in a certain way, and ''also'' affected by the same timing glitch as the Monkey puzzle. The final puzzle involved raising and lowering water levels in a certain way in order to gain access to the door to the end of the game, but it was really picky about how you're supposed to do it, and some players have trouble with it even when they ''have'' a guide.
83	*** Pfft, you mention the water-lowering puzzle but not [[spoiler: undoing Sirrus' control over Yeesha's body?]] you have several images, each having three to five symbols hovering over it. When you mouse over the symbols, a snippet of conversation plays. When you click the images, the symbols will grow larger and then you can tell the top one to go to one of the images next to it, repeating this step until all the symbols are placed on new images. You need to unscramble the conversation, with correct context as given by the images. Have fun!
84	*** Actually, that one was pretty easy. What ''wasn't'' easy was the first puzzle in Dream, where you had to mouse over coloured blobs to change the colours to the right colour and there are about 7 different colours they all cycle through and a slip of the mouse could ruin half an hour's work. Not even a guide could help you through that.
85	** ''Uru'' not only requires you to find Journey marks, some deviously hidden and often not actually connected to the puzzles, but the expansions had wait periods for plot progression that border on the insane. One puzzle requires waiting ''14 minutes'' for some energy pellets to be created. Then you had to drop one in a pit and run to another age to find where it landed, when you may very well have started on this age and not know any better.
86	*** The ''VideoGame/MystOnline'' version changed the 14 minute wait... to four hours.
87	** The ending to the fan game ''D'ni Legacy''. The player cannot know that [[spoiler:the whole world of Amerak has fallen apart, leaving only airless asteroids]], or that [[spoiler:you need to take that key to [[SdrawkcabName Elanif]] if you don't want to be trapped.]]
88	* ''VideoGame/TheMysteryOfTheDruids'': One section has a maze puzzle, the kind where you travel between several barely distinguishable rooms, each containing several doorways, which are inexplicably linked together. Normally such a puzzle would have some kind of rule you need to follow in order to navigate it. This one ''probably'' does, maybe something to do with the lanterns and runes on the walls, but, to date, ''it doesn't seem like anyone's managed to figure it out''. What is known is the shortest path through, which is 10 steps long and requires you to go back the way you came ''four'' times. This was only learned through trial and error, so the only way to figure it out yourself is to do trial and error of your own.
89	* There are quite a few other examples of this in the ''VideoGame/NancyDrew'' series, especially in the older games when Nancy didn't have a task list to provide her with a record of what's already happened.
90	** In ''The Captive Curse'', you're tasked with taking a picture of a "monster" to prove to a character that the monster is still "on the loose". In order to trigger the appearance of the "monster", you have to look at a certain inventory item. Looking at it ''before'' taking the picture doesn't work, and going to the spot where you can take the picture ''before'' looking at the item doesn't work either. If you don't already know what to do, you basically have to look at every inventory item, visit every location, and talk to every character in order to figure it out, as it's not at all obvious that you must look at the required inventory item.
91	** In the endgame of ''The Phantom of Venice'', you enter an underground system of tunnels with three large wells containing floating bridges. Using valves in the tunnel, you can adjust the water level from one well to another, changing how high the bridges are. Fill the wells and walk through, easy, right? Each well will only fill and empty to one specific well, and even knowing the order, attempting to fill or empty a well will not always work due to unspoken additional rules. If the player knows how to solve the puzzle, it only takes a few minutes. The vast majority of players aren't so lucky.
92	** ''Creature of Kapu Cave'' has the frass puzzle. The rules are clearly explained - [[UnexpectedlyRealisticGameplay You just need to identify the species of six different trees, note down the species numerically instead of with words, take detritus samples from traps under each tree, individually weight the seeds, bug parts, and frass (larvae dung) found in each trap seperately, note all of the information on the provided clipboard, put the chart into an ambigous science box to receive a number, and run through the jungle back to the doctor to relay the information]]. If even one typed value is incorrect, you will not get the correct answer, and the game will not tell you what cells are incorrect. Nancy will also not indicate when the answer is correct, acting equally incredulous regardless. Mercifully, the numbers needed are identical in every playthrough.
93	** ''White Wolf of Icicle Creek'' has "Fox and Geese", an infamously finicky board game situation that many fans point to as one of the worst puzzles of the franchise. You need to win the game three seperate times to advance, winning each round at a specific end of the board, all while [[ItMakesSenseInContext playing with the secret radioactive pig medallion instead of the fox token]]. Bad AI makes this a chore, and unlike many puzzles in the series, you cannot simply look up an answer and effectively skip the puzzle. You MUST play a minimum of three rounds, every playthrough.
94	* ''Necronomicon'' had a puzzle where the player was presented with about 20 unmarked bottles, and had to mix two specfic ones in a beaker. Every such attempt involved moving the bottles one at a time from their shelf to the beaker, there was absolutely no hint as to which bottles had to be mixed, and only very vaguely alluded to that you had to mix some of them in the first place. This puzzle leads directly into [[spoiler:having to locate an unknown piece of information from a talking, hard-to-understand and annoying-to-operate interactive encyclopedia, then using the name it gave you to locate a specific urn of ashes in a massive room of urns by looking at near-impossible-to-read labels with initials of the guys whose ashes these are]]. This is the point where most everyone either looked up a guide or threw the game in the trash.
95	* In ''VideoGame/TheNightOfTheRabbit'' at some point you are in a submarine and have to [[TrollBridge cross a bridge guarded by a kid called Humbert]]. In order to make him go away you have to give his nanny (who is somewhere else) an advertisement about violin lessons so she will come to take Humbert, however the game give no indications that she would accept this item.
96	* In one of the ''Scooby-Doo'' CD-ROM games, you have to click a random torch on a wall to trigger an encounter necessary to the plot. Why click that specific spot?
97	* ''VideoGame/PhantasmagoriaAPuzzleOfFlesh'' is pretty bad with this too. Along with having to show everything to everyone, the puzzles are somewhere between unintuitive (getting your wallet by [[spoiler: putting your rat under the couch, then luring him back with a granola bar]]) and ridiculous (opening a toolbox with hammer and screwdriver, using a 'combo' process not explained even in the manual.)
98	** This may be a bug: at one point in the game, you need to use an object by ''right-clicking.'' Nowhere else in the game is this required.
99	* [[TheProblemWithLicensedGames The NES adaptation]] of ''VideoGame/{{Platoon}}'' lives off this. Most of the game is a nondescript forest maze, with various objectives strewn about, and practically no in-game hints, although the manual offers a few clues.
100	* The point-and-click DOS game ''Alien Incident'' features mostly sensible puzzles, but has one that makes hardly any sense at all. Near the beginning of the game, there's a door with flashing lights under it that can't be opened. For some reason, using the remote controller found in the mansion will open the door. Once inside, the player will learn that the remote controller actually controls a television inside. Why does it also open the door though, remains a mystery. The worst part, though, is that the puzzle isn't really necessary until quite late game, when the player has several other areas to exhaustingly search as well.
101	* ''VideoGame/ReturnOfTheObraDinn'' has a few rather difficult-to-discern passengers, but the top of the list is likely Li Hong, Wei Lee, Huang Li, and Jie Zhang. All four are topmen (meaning you can't pick them apart by job), all four are Chinese (meaning you can't pick them apart by ethnicity), and their names are pretty much never mentioned outside of the crew manifest. They even tend to appear alongside each other. The only way to tell them apart is to go to a scene early on in the voyage where they're sleeping in hammocks with faces concealed, take note of their shoes and socks, recognize that each is sleeping in a hammock that shares its number with their place in the crew registry, and then go to a scene where their faces are visible and compare their socks and shoes with the socks and shoes they had in their hammocks. Not only does it require a lot of association, but it also requires you to be pretty good at identifying the shape of their shoes and socks in the grainy black-and-white artstyle the game uses.
102	* ''VideoGame/RunawayARoadAdventure''. The game had its puzzles mostly grounded in realism up until a moment about halfway through: you need to use a UsefulNotes/WW2 machine gun, but it's out of ammo. Solution? Load it with ''tubes of lipstick'' mixed with gunpowder. That's just the developers being ''mean''.
103	* While Point-And-Click adventures are almost guaranteed to have a few Guide Dang It moments for players who fail to catch a ride on the designer's particular train of thought, ''VideoGame/{{Shadowgate}}'' for the NES is an JustForFun/{{egregious}} example. Many of the puzzles were instant death if you failed to solve them on the first try or within a few seconds of seeing them and more than a few things were capable of being Lost Forever.
104	** Who ever thought that a random unmarked door, which you must pass through to proceed, would open into a blistering inferno that is instant "back where you came from" if you open the door without wearing the cloak? Or for that matter, that even if you wear the cloak you get killed by a fire demon when you try to proceed after entering unless you throw the orb into the fire to extinguish it. What's that? You threw the orb into the lake to freeze it so you could get the key, and then didn't realize you had to use a torch to thaw the lake just enough to get the orb to pop back up? Oops.
105	** And remember, using a torch on the orb itself simply puts out the torch. Many players did this and gave up, without realizing you need to use the torch on the ice, not the orb.
106	*** A cheaty solution to the fire room puzzle was to enter it, automatically get booted back to the mirror room, then kill yourself there so you'd respawn in the fire room. [[ScriptBreaking As the "It's too hot, let's go back" script only activates when you enter the room]], respawning there will skip it, and you can toss the orb in the fire and waltz past the room without even picking up the robe.
107	*** But in this case, you've skipped an area that has stuff required for the solution of the game, so you will get stuck without knowing the reason why.
108	** [[https://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=8D37333001D0AC9B This review mentions these things a lot.]]
109	* ''VideoGame/ShadowOfMemories'' (''Shadow of Destiny'' in the US) has a bunch of them in the course of normal play, especially if you want to get the best endings: two or three conversation choices at different points in the game send you down different branches, which not only affects which ending you get, but also the backgrounds of the various characters! The game makes reference to the specific conversation choices being "important", but beyond that makes no mention as to WHY they're important. Then, of course, there's the problem of actually proceeding through the game, which, in later chapters, requires travelling to multiple time periods... Between that and trying to reconcile the various endings, a guide is definitely needed!!
110	* ''[[VideoGame/SimonTheSorcerer Simon the Sorcerer 3D]]'' is full of moments like this, but the final puzzle is just unforgettable. You're in front of a huge computer, and you must put a CD there. The problem is that the computer has no button to open the CD space. So, what to do? Oh, easy: just stand in front of the computer with the CD on your hand, and then open the CD space of your [[NoFourthWall REAL-LIFE COMPUTER]], so that the in-game computer opens. No previous hints at any point.
111	** Climbing. What the fuck. There's a point that requires you to climb a rock. It could have been much easier if you were told at some point that you're able to climb in that game. During the tutorial you're explained everything (and I mean everything) you can do there but the only thing you really should have been explained.
112	*** Actually the manual tells it, but there's no in-game explanation. Besides, considering that's the only time in the whole game where you can actually climb (except from another rock in the very first room, but it's pointless to climb there, so most people will finish the game without knowing they could climb there) they could even believe it was a dropped-out game resource.
113	* The second ''VideoGame/SimonTheSorcerer'' game also features a crowning moment of Guide Dang It near the end of the game. You need to be able to sneak past a monstrous guard. The solution to muffling Simon's footsteps? ''Wear a dog''. This command makes Simon magically transform the dog into a pair of fuzzy slippers and wear them. It should also be noted that a recurring source of humor is Simon's near total inability to use actual magic, so him being able to do this trick comes out of nowhere.
114	* In a parody of the Guide Dang It puzzles that infested the genre at the time (and, well, the series itself also), one of the puzzles in ''VideoGame/SpaceQuestIVRogerWilcoAndTheTimeRippers'' required the player to find (in game) the "Space Quest 4 Hint Book" and look up the solution - that single solution being the only actually useful hint in the book. The rest either referenced outlandish events that weren't in the game, gave some smartass one liners or parodied hint books themselves. You can find a transcript of the book's contents [[http://spacequest.wikia.com/wiki/SQ4_Hintbook here]] (the genuine hint is the one about the timepod).
115	** There is actually another useful hint - the "Super Computer" code hint is potentially useful at the end of the game, although this is an optional puzzle. But, in order to take advantage of it, you have to have found the laptop (near the start of the game...), taken the battery from the energizer bunny (also near the start) and bought the correct plug adapter, thus making it pretty much a Guide Dang It moment itself.
116	** And how about using the rope to snare the Energizer Bunny look-a-like then examining him in inventory to get his battery for the Pocket Pal? And using the jar to collect the green slime in the sewer to unlock the Super Computer door near the end of the game?
117	** A particularly cruel one in the first game, where in order to enter the enemy mothership in space, you need a jet-pack to fly to it. If you didn't get the jet-pack earlier, the game is {{Unwinnable}}. When you enter Ulence Flats, an alien greeting you will offer to buy your hovercraft. You're supposed to refuse the offer at first, until he returns and throws in a jet-pack as a bonus. Unfortunately, at no point does the game ever hint (until it's too late) that you even need a jet-pack, let alone the fact that this alien has it, and will only give it to you on his second offer.
118	** How about the hidden reactor in the junk pile in [[VideoGame/SpaceQuestIIIThePiratesOfPestulon part 3?]] Absolutely no hint is given that the thing is even there--for one thing, it's ''hidden behind the scenery''--but without it, the game comes to a dead stop (And digging in most of the trash piles results in [[HaveANiceDeath Roger cutting his hand and dying of blood loss]], so you would assume you're not supposed to poke around). And this is one of the first puzzles that you have to solve in the entire game; you've barely started and you're already irredeemably stuck. That is, unless you either purchase a hint book or call the hint line (which conveniently charges per minute and, at the time, wasn't operational outside normal business hours anyway).
119	*** And the wires on the wall, that look like just part of the scenery. Then a giant rat comes and steals both wires and generator, then you have to go back in the basement to retrieve both (some may think the game has become {{Unwinnable}}). Then to get into the spaceship, you have to take the seemingly immobile basement ladder and stuff it into your hyperspace pocket.
120	* ''[[VideoGame/StarTrek25thAnniversary Star Trek: 25th Anniversary]]'', during the level That Old Devil Moon you are faced with a door locked with a 5 digit security code. Your only hint is that the owners were a "superstitious" people. Even going through Player Guides now, none but one mention how you were supposed to figure out the code, they just tell you what the code is. Apparently you were supposed to look up the planet's information in the computer before beaming down, then look up information on the races who live there and making note of their special numbers. The code is the result of rendering one of the numbers in the Base of another of those numbers.
121	** But the worst part is that there is no way to return to the ship after you land on the planet. So if you saved over your only save game after landing on the planet, without getting the answer from the ship's computer, without a guide it becomes {{Unwinnable}}
122	*** Star Trek: Judgement Rites fixed this by allowing you to access the ships computer during missions by using the communicator, at least in one mission.
123	* The majority of ''VideoGame/StillLife2'' is pretty accessible, but in the closing minutes of the game you have to disarm a bomb before your partner is executed in an electric chair. There's a ticking clock and no hints. Fail and she's gone for good - if you reload she'll be dead before you even get a chance to disarm the bomb.
124	* Even the thorougly nonserious ''VideoGame/StrongBadsCoolGameForAttractivePeople'' had its share of these. But the absolute worst by a long shot was the way to get the ninth "expression of affection" in Baddest of the Bands. First off, it's an ''in-game hint'', which means that hints have to be turned on. Then 1. you have to sabotage Two-O-Duo and Pom Star (just those two, ''not'' Cool Tapes), 2. Pick up the Limozeen coloring book, but ''don't'' Teen Girl Squad comic, and 3. go to the Two-O-Duo stage, which is the only place Strong Bad will give the hint that serves as the expression of affection, and wait until he does. It's anyone's guess how Telltale expected people to figure that one out on their own.
125	* An example where the [[EarnYourBadEnding bad ending is harder to get than the good endings]] is the ''Franchise/MyLittlePony'' fangame ''VideoGame/SuperFillyAdventure''. In order to get it, you have to talk to everybody, and play at 11:30pm to 6:00am. [[ShmuckBait Though, it's better]] [[NightmareFuel to not get it.]]
126	* The grand-daddy of them all: In a time in which there was no internet, it was considered a good thing that most Atari 2600 games were rather simple. When the ''{{VideoGame/Swordquest}}'' games were created, however, simplicity went out the window, and many gamers found themselves frustrated and nearly on the verge of insanity trying to solve these epic puzzles. In this case, it was intentionally difficult, as there was a contest involved with real, valuable prizes.
127	** Most Atari 2600 adventure games had a certain amount of [[ReadTheFreakingManual RTFM]], which is one reason modern gamers on emulators often get frustrated. The king of RTFM (and also this trope), was ''VideoGame/RaidersOfTheLostArk''. Unfortunately, the manual left out a couple of steps (and didn't describe one vital object) for solving the game. Leaving a bunch of kids to puzzle out, with no internet (even the magazines were tight-lipped). A LOT of kids gave up, some eventually made the necessary leaps of logic. A modern gamer with no manual, forget it.
128	* In ''VideoGame/{{Syberia}}'', you must manufacture some legs for an automaton. The dialogue describes how only a certain model NUMBER will work, but conveniently leaves out the fact that said model number is an item you just plug in. The real determinant is the color of the wood, which is never hinted at. As an extra special bonus, the color you end up choosing on the control panel IS NOT THE SAME COLOR AS THE REST OF THE ROBOT!!! Thankfully, you can just brute force it, since there aren't that many choices.
129	** Better, you do get what can only be described as the opposite of a hint: [[spoiler:the brochure mentions such fine imported materials as "Madagascar ebony". Ebony is black. The wood you use is NOT BLACK.]]
130	*** To be fair, there is a picture of the correct wood in the brochure. But it's very easy to overlook.
131	* In order to make any progress in ''VideoGame/TakeshisChallenge'', you have to perform some very specific and, at times, [[ViolationOfCommonSense seemingly counterproductive]] actions. Just to get started, you have to withdraw money from the bank, quit your job, get black-out drunk at a bar, divorce your wife, collect a stack of money from a potted plant at your former workplace (but not before the divorce, otherwise your wife is going to take a huge chunk of it as alimony), take hang-gliding and shamisen lessons, win a shamisen at a pachinko parlor, successfully sing (as in, ''physically sing into the microphone on the second controller'') one specific song at the karaoke bar three times in a row, receive a blank piece of paper from an old man, reveal it to be a treasure map by soaking it in water for five to ten minutes or exposing it to sunlight for ''an hour'', kill the old man who gave it to you lest the game become UnwinnableByDesign at the very end, and finally buy a plane ticket to the South Pacific. Again, this is just what's needed to ''get started'' in the game. [[TrollingCreator This was all done perfectly intentionally.]]
132	* It would seem that most of the mystery in the 1990 puzzle/adventure game ''VideoGame/ThemeParkMystery'' is figuring out what the object of the game is. The puzzles range from the frustratingly obscure (the Zoltan fortune-telling machine, which [[spoiler:does tell you what the game objective is. Eventually.]]) to the downright surreal (the chess board in Dreamland). What makes the game particularly Guide Dang It is that it comes with a booklet that turns out not to be a manual, but a guide to theme parks and amusement parks throughout history.
133	* ''VisualNovel/TimeHollow'' is pretty good about avoiding this for the main path... but there's a few optional tasks you can perform that fall squarely into this. All but one of them, you have no reason to suspect are even ''possible'' without checking a guide, in fact.
134	* ''VideoGame/TorinsPassage'' is not necessarily [[{{Unwinnable}} impossible]] to win without a guide, but can be a major pain in the ass without a guide on some of its puzzles. More painful examples include the The Lands Above's phenocryst and the crystal used to make its platform usable [[note]] you have to press the shard you get from the guard (Herman) into one of three different colored holes on a control panel (with the exception of the fourth hole, the red hole, which just switch what the other holes do), making pillars rise and fall until you somehow get them all to lower and make the phenocryst usable[[/note]], the Escarpa's tiles to find its phenocryst [[note]] You have to collect a handful of tiles all around the level, which isn't bad in itself, except that you later have to rearrange them on a podium found in the bottom of the world to make a face. Unfortunately there are many shapes you can make that can be deemed by a player as a "face" (nevermind a [[BlatantLies "smiling"]] face, and the hint system is absolutely useless in finding out what the hell the face is supposed to look like[[/note]], Purgola's rearranging of the purgolin priests and priestesses (Ostiaries), both to lead Torin [[spoiler: and Leenah]] to a phenocryst and also to access it [[note]] The first phase is to rearrange the Ostiaries along corners or parts of the pentogram so that each of them line up with every other one in a way they all have at least one trait in common (such as lining up all the Ostiaries whom have a gold belt, who have green hoods, who have white robes, etc) in either lines they're connected to. The second phase involves rearranging them between female and male, and then making them shuffle about in the most inconvenient way possible to hopefully get them to be arranged from the lowest-pitched singer to the highest (for the men) and the highest-pitched singer to the lowest (for the women). It is possible to make the second phase ''much'' easier by [[GoodBadBugs keeping a female and male pair on the wrong side of either groups while rearranging the rest in the right order]] before you have to make them sing, but of course the hint system won't tell you that[[/note]], Asthenia's [[PixelHunt huge-ass maze with the tiniest wrench on earth]] [[note]] you need to find a wrench in said huge-ass maze, and the only indication it's there is that it glitters from time to time and that the hint system eludes to it, but won't tell you much else on how to get to it[[/note]] and its crystal lazer puzzle [[note]] rearranging crystals in a box so that a light reflects on them in particular angles written on the crystal. You have to get the light to shine from its source crystal to another crystal on the other side of the box[[/note]] and finally Tenebrous's (The Lands Below's) grass trekking [[note]] after helping the sunflower, you have to navigate over hotspots indicated by the grass telling you variants of "yes" and "no". Of course, said hotspots aren't always consistant and they have [[PixelHunt a relatively small area that'll get them to say "yes" to]], sometimes even making you look back in an area after moving an inch when it is ''now'' deemed safe when before it wasn't[[/note]].
135	* The game ''[[VideoGame/TheTrappedTrilogy Trapped]]'' by Creator/{{Godlimations}} generally avoids this trope, except for a point where you need to [[spoiler: burn a human finger with a match in order to get a lockpick.]] It's only vaguely alluded to in game.
136	** Disappointingly, the sequel ''Pursuit'' engages in this JustForFun/{{egregious}}ly. During the opening of the game, the police detective protagonist refuses to leave her house before gathering such objects as a banana, her favorite teddy bear, and ''the lightbulbs from her kitchen light fixture.'' One has to wonder if it's standard police procedure in Australia for the officer to ransack her own home before taking on a case.
137	** Worse, worse, much worse from the same game is a late puzzle that requires you to [[spoiler: combine a banana, a large rope and a knife with some super glue to create a ''fishing rod''.]] Not only does this make no sense whatsoever, it isn't even vaguely alluded to or hinted at ''anywhere'' in the game. To make matters worse, this occurs late in the game when your inventory is very full of objects, and any number of objects can be combined, and the order in which items are combined matters, meaning the "try everything" option results in literally hundreds of possible combinations.
138	** The game is also a bit sexist, and that can lead to some really frustrating puzzles. At one point, the female protagonist needs to grease up a bolt. However, she refuses to do so because ''she would mess up her fingernails.'' Keep in mind that she's hot on the pursuit of an infamous murderer, and lives are on the line. The solution? [[spoiler: Use the (childishly nicknamed) teddy bear you were ''required'' to take with you on this police mission as a rag.]]
139	** The third is just as bad, with three big puzzles that each seem to be some form of MoonLogicPuzzle. The first one tasks you with escaping a cell. [[spoiler:Trade an expensive watch with the man in the opposite cell for a sink handle, turn on the sink, stop up the drain ''with a coin'', block the floor drain with a blanket, and call the guard so he slips on it.]] The second one requires you to find evidence. [[spoiler:Click on a random spot on the wall to open an alcove, put a nail in a single-pixel hole above the alcove, use the toilet seat(!) you had to remove earler as a hammer, put a lamp in the alcove and turn it on, hang a picture with a pinhole over the lamp, look for the light spot on the opposite wall, and click on the wall to open an alcove with evidence in it.]] The final one? [[spoiler:Remember the colors of the previous two rooms (and if you don't remember them, good luck guessing because you can't go back), use color-coded microchips to change the color of a ventilation shaft ''(WHAT!?!)'', change it to brown to get a key and green to get a combination, and use the key and the combo to open a safe.]] Made even worse by the ending, which is basically one giant AssPull.
140	** Needless to say, WebVideo/{{Retsupurae}} did a great job tearing the games' puzzles apart.
141	* Those flipping pictures frames in ''VideoGame/{{Ty the Tasmanian Tiger}}'', which are not only in ''invisible crates'' and need a particular 'rang to find (forcing you to search through every nook and cranny of ''every. Single. Level.''), but are ''required'' if you want to [[OneHundredPercentCompletion access]] [[SecretLevel the Secret Level]]. Oh, and the best part? Once you've accessed the Secret Level, ''123 more pictures frames become avaliable to find''. Krome sure can be a bitch.
142	* ''VideoGame/AVampyreStory'' has a doozy, right near the start of the game. You have to mix together potions to make an acid. Luckily, there are instructions on a nearby chalk board. You have three beakers - one with a purple potion, one with a green, and one with an orange. The next step in the intructions is "cool first, warm second, cool last". Next to the potion-mixing table is a bunsen burner sitting on top of a refrigerator. So, what do you do? Put the first and last potions in the fridge and the second in the bunsen burner? Put them all in the fridge, then the burner, then the fridge again? Nope. You pour the green potion into the bunsen burner, then the orange, then the purple, ignoring the fridge completely. Why? Because Green and purple are "cool" colours, while orange is a "warm" colour. If you got past that puzzle without a guide and without trial-and-error, give yourself a pat on the back.
143	** The notion of "warm" and "cool" colors is basic color theory. Or to put it another way, Autumn Moon expected their audience to consist entirely of art students.
144	* Every game in the ''VideoGame/{{Zork}}'' series has one of these. For example, getting past the cyclops in the first game requires either saying "Odysseus" or feeding him lunch. Attacking him with the sword, knife, or your bare hands; trying to sneak past him; or giving him anything else or saying anything else results in a game over.
145	** The game hints at both of these; the message you get if you hang around him or give him something indicates that he's hungry, and the Odysseus thing comes from mythology. If you don't know mythology, there's also a hint in the black book that you obtain during the course of the game. (The first letters of each line of the commandment in the black book spell out ODYSSEUS.) Incidentally, "Ulysses", the Roman version, also works. It still doesn't make sense, though, because an important plot point in the original myth is that the Cyclops ''never learned Odysseus' name.''
146	** There's also the Loud Room, which [[InterfaceScrew screws with your commands]] by making the last word echo... echo... echo... and ignoring it. You can leave the room, but you literally can't do anything else... else... else... including seeing the room description again... again... again... taking inventory... inventory... inventory... and so on... on... on ... And to win the game, you need to take the platinum bar... bar... bar... There are actually two solutions. One makes sense and involves [[spoiler:draining the nearby lake through the dam, and then closing it again, stopping the source of the noise]]. Unfortunately, it takes a while and only works for a few turns at a time. The permanent solution is to [[spoiler:stand in the room and '''type "ECHO", which magically STOPS the echo'''!]]
147	*** In all fairness, though, when you're in an echoey place, isn't that the first thing you want to shout?
148	** The original mainframe Zork had some really bad forms of this. Notably [[spoiler:To make the rainbow solid to get the treasure there, you had to wave an otherwise uninteresting stick. This one was so bad, they changed the stick in to something resembling a rainbow in the Creator/{{Infocom}} port of the game]].
149	** How about trying to deal with that bloody thief? Kill him early in the game? Too bad you were supposed to give him the jeweled egg to open it and uncover the true treasure inside? What? You didn't know you were supposed to give it to him? Neither did I 'till I read an online guide. Nevermind the fact that you need to kill him later and he's tough as nails in a straight-up fight unless you give him artifacts from the journey over and over again and try to cheapshot him (though your odds of success are also better the more points you have when you engage him). There are only two clues to this. One is when you try to open the egg, it states that "You have neither the tools nor the expertise." This hints that someone else might have both, and who else would have the tools to open a locked item? The other clue is that the original adventure game, and some others that have been written since, required that you be robbed to win the game. But this is the first game that requires that you be robbed of a specific item to win.
150	** In Zork II, who would ever guess that [[spoiler:you need to turn off your lamp, in a dark room, to beat the game? An action that normally gets you killed by a grue?]] Until reading the walkthrough, most players are SURE they tried everything.
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152	And after all that, you may want to read [[http://www.oldmanmurray.com/features/77.html this article]] and nod in agreement as you do so...

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