Line #13 Creator/JimShooter


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2	[[caption-width-right:163:[-NOT [[Series/{{Heroes}} Sylar]] or [[Film/{{Psycho}} Norman Bates]] (but nearly as scary).-] ]]
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4	-> ''Jim was very good at being the boss...Coming from the Mort Weisinger school of Screw 'Em If They Can't Stand The Heat...Jim made deals and threw money at people who couldn't stand him. He routinely bought big-ticket Christmas presents for staffers he knew were plotting behind his back. He didn't care about being the heavy: somebody had to be the heavy. But, for Marvel to survive and grow, the kids would have to grow up. And Shooter became the avatar of our painful adolescence.''
5	-->-- '''Creator/ChristopherPriestComics'''
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7	James "Jim" Shooter (born September 27, 1951) is an American comic book personality. A divisive figure, he is known both for his work as a writer and editor, and for the controversies surrounding him.
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9	Shooter began his career at the age of 13 after a script for ''ComicBook/LegionOfSuperHeroes'' he sent to Creator/DCComics was accepted by the famous DC Editor Creator/MortWeisinger. Weisinger eventually invited the young Shooter to New York and impressed with his talent put him to work at the age of 14. His run helped to modernize the series, most notably by causing the death of Ferro Lad, the first Legionnaire to be KilledOffForReal. He eventually went to work for Creator/MarvelComics, writing among other things ''ComicBook/TheAvengers''. One of his most notable stories there was ''ComicBook/TheKorvacSaga'' in which a supervillain gains cosmic powers but decides to use them for the good of the universe; however, an attack by The Avengers (who were not aware of his motives) ruined his plans, leading him to commit suicide, an unusual DownerEnding for such stories at the time.
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11	Shooter eventually became an associate editor, then rose to the position of Editor-In-Chief at Marvel in 1977, at the age of 26 (which is actually on the older side when one considers that Creator/StanLee's first turn as EIC in the Timely era was at 19 years of age and Creator/GerryConway, Shooter's predecessor was in his early 20s too). Up until then, the editor-in-chief at Marvel was expected to personally edit the entire line, which resulted in high turnover and a ''laissez-faire'' approach to editing. Shooter managed to talk his bosses into letting him restructure the editorial department by hiring a staff of editors, each with their own portfolio of titles, with Shooter as the (as he sometimes referred to himself in the credits) "Big Boss."
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13	As EIC, Shooter was committed to getting issues out on time (a major problem for the company earlier in the 1970s), and that meant a heavy handed approach and command of his staff and pressure on writers and artists. This needless to say did not make him very popular among his co-workers. He also banned writers from editing their own comics, with even Shooter himself submitting his work to a staff editor; this led to conflicts with veteran creators like former EIC Roy Thomas, who had been accustomed to doing both jobs. Jennette Kahn, the new publisher of DC Comics, took advantage of this dissatisfaction to woo many of those disgruntled talents like Thomas, Creator/SteveEnglehart, Creator/MarvWolfman and Creator/GeorgePerez to her side to jumpstart her company's competitiveness.
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15	Shooter did make positive innovations, such as providing royalties for writers and artists of Marvel for the first time, even if as the face of Marvel, he became a popular target in the period of the creator's rights movements when Creator/JackKirby wanted the return of his original art (which Shooter negotiated on his behalf).
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17	Some of his notable works in that position include:
18	* [[ExecutiveMeddling Ordering]] the death of ComicBook/JeanGrey at the end of ''ComicBook/TheDarkPhoenixSaga'' on ''ComicBook/XMen'' since he felt the character's murder of billions of alien beings (even though done while insane) needed to be properly punished (while Creator/ChrisClaremont wrote the story, that was not the ending he had intended for it). Although highly controversial at the time, this was later generally accepted as an appropriate ending and a classic storyline.
19	* Starting the whole CrisisCrossover fad with ''ComicBook/SecretWars1984'' (in which the Beyonder, an [[TheOmnipotent omnipotent]] being, first [[LetsYouAndHimFight made everybody fight]], then tried ToBecomeHuman) which he wrote himself. With the series a a roaring success, he wrote a sequel, ''ComicBook/SecretWarsII'', which wasn't as well regarded. The first was done in part to compete with DC's announced earlier, but still gestating, ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'', and is considered the very first "event" CrisisCrossover -- however, in the years since its publication, it has become a much more divisive series.
20	* Starting ComicBook/TheNewUniverse line of comics, in celebration of Marvel's 25th Anniversary. Shooter wrote the main series, ''Star Brand''. The line was not successful, however.
21	* Signing off on the story for ''Avengers'' #200, where ComicBook/MsMarvel is impregnated by Immortus' laser beam, gives birth to a clone of that supervillain who rapidly ages to an adult named Marcus, falls in love with Marcus who admits to using more science to make her fall in love with him, [[PutOnABus and disappears into another dimension with Marcus]], with none of the other Avengers saying "This is pretty fucked up, we should put a stop to this."
22	* Having Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson get married in the main continuity of ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'' and producing the famous "The Wedding" issue, which he plotted out by himself, to coincide with the ''ComicStrip/SpiderMan'' newspaper strip written by Creator/StanLee. Shooter did it despite the fact that his writing staff had a small window, and that Mary Jane had fairly recently returned to the supporting cast, and while she and Peter had become very close friends with considerable romantic tension between them, and had dated in the past, they certainly weren't at the time. The decision polarized the Spider-Man writing team and regular fans, and it led to what many scholars note is one of the most contentious developments in the history of the character. Having said, ''The Wedding'' issue was highly successful and very popular among the public, both comics and non-comics fans and it remains an iconic part of Spider-Man's history.
23	* Pushing for stronger characterization and consistent continuity. His time as Marvel EIC is actually ''stunning'' in how consistent the continuity was kept across such a wide selection of books.
24	* Requiring writers to approach each issue with a view to it being a potential reader's first ever comic; Creator/LouiseSimonson and Creator/AnnNocenti recalled in later years (discussing their tenure as Chris Claremont's editors on ''Uncanny X-Men'' in the 1980s) that Shooter insisted that every issue, even those part of a larger arc, needed to introduce and resolve its own episodic conflict, and furthermore every issue should be careful not to presume too much familiarity with characters and concepts on the part of the reader, in the interest of ensuring that new fans were getting a story with a beginning, middle and end even if the issue it was in was itself the "middle" of a bigger story.
25	* Not allowing any explicitly gay characters in Marvel comics, leading to characters like Northstar not coming out until after Shooter's tenure and at best being gay coded or heavily implied to be gay. Shooter himself previously penned an infamous issue of ''The Rampaging Hulk'' where Bruce Banner was almost raped by gay men.
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27	Despite his writing talent, Shooter came to gain the enmity of some writers, artists and editors at Marvel, reportedly because of his authoritarian way of running things (most infamously Creator/JohnByrne, who purportedly held a party where [[SeriousBusiness Shooter was burned in effigy]] after his old boss's eventual sacking). It's notable how several of his stories were later attacked and parodied after he left the company: The Beyonder was revealed to not really have been an omnipotent being after all; Korvac was now EvilAllAlong; and the New Universe was reinvented in a DarkerAndEdgier form, with the hero of Star Brand being to blame for it, and Shooter's hometown of Pittsburgh being destroyed. All of these seem to be a series of {{Take That}}s aimed at Shooter, done regardless of their effects on the characters (or their fans). An overt one on the DC side in ''ComicBook/{{Legends\|DCComics}}'' (written and drawn by folks who defected from Marvel because of him) involves an {{Expy}} of Shooter (and Star Brand) getting his ass kicked six ways to Sunday by Guy Gardner, with the Expy almost-literally shooting himself in the foot. The pressure eventually lead to Shooter being fired from Marvel.
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29	After trying to buy Marvel (and missing the bid by less than 2 million), Shooter decided to move on from the Big Two for a while. For his own part, Shooter has opined in interviews years later that he had difficulty finding work in comics at the time because his reputation had been tarnished so badly in the press that nobody would hire him (according to Shooter, ''Wizard'' magazine in this era would habitually reprint any first-hand gossip they could get from disaffected former Marvel employees with an axe to grind without any further investigation). Shooter found himself working as a writer of children's non-fiction, but remained keen to continue working in comics and soon decided to get back into the business. The experience of trying to buy Marvel led him to realise his ability to raise substantial amounts of capital very quickly and, assisted by former Marvel employees with whom he remained on good terms and contacts he had made in the publishing business immediately following his departure from Marvel, he decided to set up his own company.
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31	After an attempt to buy Creator/HarveyComics went nowhere, Shooter and his partners established Creator/ValiantComics, which successfully modernized several old existing characters licensed from Creator/GoldKeyComics and continued Shooter's emphasis on characterization and continuity. It was successful for a time, even pioneering several marketing tricks and techniques (collectable coupons given away with issues which could be exchanged for a free exclusive comic, variant covers by "superstar" artists, holographic and holofoil covers, "zero" issues etc.) which earned it considerable attention in the burgeoning collectors' market and earned both the company and Shooter himself several industry awards. However, internal politics resulted in Shooter being ousted from the company after a couple of years and, after an [[ComicBook/{{Deathmate}} ill-fated crossover]] with Creator/ImageComics and a [[Creator/{{Acclaim}} corporate takeover and poorly-handled reboot]], Valiant eventually closed down (and would be rebooted in 2012). Shooter tried a few more times, founding Creator/DefiantComics and Broadway Comics, but without success. Defiant folded after a questionable and unsuccessful lawsuit by Marvel over a character name depleted much of the company's capital. Broadway, on the other hand, was shut down after its parent company, Broadway Video Entertainment, was bought by a publishing company which then went bankrupt.
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33	In 2008-2009, Shooter was hired to write ''Legion Of Super-Heroes'' again--however, he was dismissed soon after, because (according to him) DC Comics did not like the direction he was taking the story. He was also attached to a short-lived Creator/DarkHorseComics revival of ''ComicBook/MightySamson'', ''ComicBook/DoctorSolar'', ''ComicBook/{{Turok}}'' and ''ComicBook/MagnusRobotFighter'', old Creator/GoldKeyComics characters the last three of whom had previously been licensed to Valiant in its early years.
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35	In 2011, he started [[http://www.jimshooter.com/ his own blog]]. For the best part of two years he updated almost daily with entries about his experiences in Creator/DCComics, Creator/MarvelComics and other companies, anecdotes and homages to legendary comic-book writers and artists, comic-book reviews... but updates eventually stopped.
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37	While Shooter continues to be controversial, some recent comics scholars and fans have actually revised their opinion about his time as EIC, with many feeling he was rather overly blamed or scapegoated, and trying to balance the bad with the good.
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40	!!Comic-Book series and characters which Jim Shooter worked on:
41	[[index]]
42	* ''ComicBook/ActionComics''
43	* ''ComicBook/AdventureComics''
44	* ''ComicBook/TheAvengers''
45	* ''ComicBook/CaptainAction''
46	* ''ComicBook/DCComicsPresents''
47	* ''ComicBook/FantasticFour''
48	* ''ComicBook/LegionOfSuperHeroes''
49	* ''ComicBook/TheNewUniverse''
50	* ''ComicBook/Superboy1949''
51	* ''ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}''
52	* ''ComicBook/{{Superman}}''
53	** ''ComicBook/Superman1939''
54	** ''ComicBook/SupermanFamily''
55	** ''ComicBook/SupermansPalJimmyOlsen''
56	* ''World's Finest''
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59	!!Storylines written by Jim Shooter with their own tropes page:
60	* ''ComicBook/BrainiacsBlitz'' (his debut tale)
61	* ''ComicBook/TheKorvacSaga''
62	* ''ComicBook/SecretWars1984''
63	* "ComicBook/SupermanAndSpiderMan"
64	[[/index]]
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67	!!Tropes found in his work:
68	* ExpansionPackWorld: In the late '60s, Jim Shooter introduced the Dominators to the ''Legion of Super-Heroes'', at the end of a supposed war between them and the United Planets that had never been mentioned before. In fact, it had been previously established that war in general was now unknown. Amazingly enough, this was repeated in the "threeboot". It was stated explicitly at the start that there had been centuries of peace. Then came the Dominators, and then a reference to a "Khund War" in living memory... the latter written by Jim Shooter.
69	* FlashForward: The ''Adult Legion'' story from ''Adventure Comics'' #354-355, which even depicted the deaths of members who hadn't joined yet.
70	* FutureSlang: In the ''Legion'' he made up expressions as "Oh florg, someone zeezee Cos, he'll translate this zizz".
71	* HordeOfAlienLocusts: The Org of Plasm in ''Warriors of PLASM'' was a world-sized organism that had to feed to remain healthy. Its natives, the Plasmoids, used organic spacefleets to conquer other worlds and mulch their ecosystems into "gore for the Org."
72	* OrganicTechnology: ''Warriors Of PLASM'' was about an extradimensional civilization which was entirely biotech-based.
73	* PardonMyKlingon: Jim Shooter introduced this to the ''Legion'' during the Silver Age. When he came on as writer to the early 00's version, which didn't use it, he brought it with him; suddenly, everyone was peppering their dialogue with "florg"s and "zork"s and "scrag"s.
74	* PhysicalGod: Many of his stories feature incredibly powerful beings (the Sun-Eater, Korvac, the Beyonder...)
75	* RevisedEnding: The original ending of ''ComicBook/TheDarkPhoenixSaga'' had Phoenix surviving with her powers taken away. Shooter insisted that Jean go through a great punishment (such as eternal torture) commensurate to the crimes she committed as Dark Phoenix, notably killing a planet inhabited by several billion aliens. In the end, Chris Claremont and John Byrne decided to just kill her. The original ending was eventually published in ''Phoenix: The Untold Story''.
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