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| 2 | [[caption-width-right:350:''[[Music/WeirdAlYankovic I think I'm a clone now\ |
| 3 | There's always two of me\ |
| 4 | just a-hangin' around]]'']] |
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| 6 | ''The Clone Saga'' (or ''Spider-Clone Saga'') is the name of a story-arc that ran in multiple ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'' titles in 1994-1996. It is technically a sequel to an earlier story but it is far better known and proverbial than the original story, and when people talk about "The Clone Saga", they are largely talking about the story published in TheNineties. |
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| 8 | * ''The First Clone Saga'': Running in ''Amazing Spider-Man'' Issue 143-149 at the end of Creator/GerryConway's run. This was conceived by the writer as a sequel to ''ComicBook/TheNightGwenStacyDied'', and specifically as a response to the backlash caused by the decision to kill Gwen Stacy and while not intended at the outset as Conway's final story, he ultimately realized that it provided a neat {{Bookend}} to his entire run. It begins with the introduction of a new villain, the Jackal (who originally appeared in #129, otherwise known as the first appearance of ComicBook/ThePunisher), followed by a money shot: Gwen Stacy, apparently back from the dead. As you have guessed from the article, she's a clone. Eventually, the Jackal is [[DramaticUnmask unmasked]] as Pete and Gwen's biology professor, Miles Warren, who lusted in his heart for Gwen and blamed Spidey for her death. In effect, the Jackal was a stand-in for angry fans who attacked Conway for killing Gwen and was fixated and obsessed on her. Eventually, the Jackal reveals that he created a clone of Spider-Man to fight the original. Gerry Conway's original Clone Saga was an emotional roller-coaster and farewell to Gwen Stacy and the nostalgia she represented. The Jackal died at the end of that story and was entirely forgotten about, having served his purpose as a villain. |
| 9 | * In 1981, the saga was revisited in "What If Spider-Man's Clone Had Lived" from ''ComicBook/WhatIf''. It ends with both Peters living together, deciding to be Spider-Man on alternate days. |
| 10 | * In 1988, some 8 years before the second saga, Conway wrote "Return to Sender" in ''The Spectacular Spider-Man Annual 8'' as a sequel to the first saga, whose entire purpose was once and for all to explain and retcon the cloning premise out of the books. In that story, published as a tie-in to a forgotten crossover event called "The Evolutionary War", it was revealed that the Jackal did not clone Gwen Stacy or Spider-Man. Instead, he borrowed stuff from the High Evolutionary and created a drug that when tested on humans and other subjects altered them to resemble the person he chose. In other words, the Jackal never cloned anyone, the Gwen who Peter met wasn't a clone but a poor blonde girl tortured and experimented and altered to resemble Gwen with some memory implants, and as Gleen Greenberg pointed out, the story essentially undid the first saga, making it virtually impossible to revive it again. The work-around for this explanation (which closed any backdoors from the first saga) would be buried in the volumes of issues in the second saga, and the writing team were content to ignore it owing to the fact that it was published in the second series rather than the Amazing Spider-Man and that the FleetingDemographicRule would be to their advantage. |
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| 12 | * ''The Second Clone Saga'': Or rather ''the'' Clone Saga since it entirely overshadowed the first one. It is most commonly associated with Terry Kavanagh, though many other writers were involved in the project, among them: Joey Cavalieri, Todd Dezago, J. M. Dematteis, and Tom [=DeFalco=]. It opens with the reappearance of the Spider-Man clone--dubbed the "Scarlet Spider"--who has built a life for himself and taken up the name Ben Reilly (after his [[DeadGuyJunior Uncle Ben]] and Aunt May's maiden name, respectively). A brief summary: The Jackal comes back and starts playing mind games with Peter and Ben. A new villain, Kaine, is introduced and revealed to be another clone of Spider-Man; in fact, [[PsychoPrototype the first one made]]. After systematically bumping off the Spider-villains to prove his superiority (even smashing the ''Web of Spider-Man #124'' logo to pieces and replacing it with his own), Kaine inexplicably turns "good" in [[NinetiesAntiHero an attempt to make him a star]]. Mary Jane gets pregnant. Aunt May and Doctor Octopus die. New villains are introduced, such as Spidercide, Judas Traveller, Scrier, and a [[DistaffCounterpart female Doc Ock]]. The Jackal also dies, but not before it is 'proven' that Peter Parker is the clone and Ben Reilly was the original Spider-Man all along. Though initially crushed by the news, Peter decides to [[LegacyCharacter hand the mantle of Spider-Man]] over to Ben so that he and M.J. can start a family.\ |
| 13 | It's eventually revealed that Peter really was the original Spider-Man and the whole thing was orchestrated by Norman Osborn, '''also''' back from the dead. In the end, Ben Reilly died in a manner which [[TheUnTwist explicitly showed he was a clone]], the Green Goblin returns to being Spider-Man's archenemy, Kaine and the Clone Gwen [[LongBusTrip disappear again]], and Aunt May and Dr. Octopus '''''also''''' come back from the dead. Oh, and Mary Jane miscarries (or does she?).\ |
| 14 | [[ResetButton In the end, for the most part nothing was changed]]--and as one writer lamented, a storyline intended to simplify Spider-Man ended up making things more complicated than ever. Despite this, for better or for worse, the Clone Saga is an iconic Spider-Man story and elements of it have been adapted into other media, and it ultimately served as a proving ground for later innovations. The concept of Peter Parker having a YoungerAndHipper counterpart/sidekick didn't take with Ben Reilly, but it did take with ComicBook/MilesMorales later. |
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| 16 | * ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries'': Being made in the mid-to-late 90s around the same time as this arc, which was merchandise driven after all, the show naturally adapted features of it in the final season for "brand synergy". One arc had Mary Jane being the one cloned while bringing back Hydro-Man and the final story arc's enemy was a Spider-Man from another universe who went insane from the events and bonded with the Carnage symbiote in an attempt to destroy reality. Once the Clone Saga and the show ended, it was left with a bunch of dangling hooks and an AbortedArc hinting at Spider-Man's eventual cloning. |
| 17 | -->'''Spider-Man:''' [[WhoWritesThisCrap This is beginning to sound like a bad comic-book plot!]] |
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| 19 | * ''ComicBook/SpiderGirl'': The child of Peter and Mary Jane Watson who was miscarried and/or baby-swapped in the main continuity but [[AbortedArc generally quietly ignored]]. She was revived in an alternate universe called the [=MC2=] where Mayday Parker ultimately became Spider-Man's DistaffCounterpart. To this day, it is the longest selling title for any female character published by Marvel running 100 issues with sequel series and other miniseries that survived cancellation and low sales[[note]]EIC [=DeFalco=] wanted her to stay in the main continuity but he got fired and later editors disliking the concept of Peter as a father tried to remove her. When he returned as writer, [=DeFalco=] tried to bring her back but Howard Mackie and John Byrne brought Aunt May back instead[[/note]]. |
| 20 | * ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'': A SettingUpdate and Continuity Reboot set in an AU separate from the main continuity. This version of the Clone Saga differed entirely from the previous two versions, tied to the emotional center of the LoveTriangle of the Ultimate versions of Peter/Mary Jane/Kitty Pryde rather than the fanboy grudges about Gwen's death (Clone Saga 1) and angst about Spider-Man not being young anymore (Clone Saga 2). It's notable for tying [[ComicBook/SpiderWoman Jessica Drew]] into the actual Spidey lore for the first time when previously she was unrelated[[note]]Lee commissioned Spider-Woman, Jessica's alter-ego as an AshcanCopy to check an attempt by DC to hijack the Spider-suffix for any knockoff character. Originally, her powers and motifs didn't have anything to do with Peter Parker, being hastily made. The editors kept her apart from the mainline Spidey titles for fears of diluting the story with kitschy DistaffCounterpart[[/note]]. |
| 21 | * In 2009, Tom [=DeFalco=] and Howard Mackie--two people involved in the second Saga--reunited for a mini-series called ''Spider-Man: The Clone Saga'', a "director's cut" and streamlined version of the story. The miniseries ends with [[spoiler:Peter and MJ still married, and Ben, baby May, ''and'' Aunt May alive and well,]] though it does also use some [[WhatCouldHaveBeen ideas proposed for the ending of the Saga]], such as [[spoiler:Harry Osborn]] being the mastermind, albeit in an altered form than proposed. |
| 22 | * As of April 2021, ''[[ComicBook/MilesMorales Miles Morales]]'' unfortunately gets his own Clone Saga and has to deal with the headaches that come with it. |
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| 24 | After Ben's death, the mantle of the Scarlet Spider was inherited by many others, whose adventures are covered [[ComicBook/ScarletSpider here]]. |
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| 27 | !! Tropes associated with the Clone Saga: |
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| 30 | [[folder:Amazing Spider-Man (1975)]] |
| 31 | * AlwaysNeedWhatYouGaveUp: Spidey had a logical reason for throwing away the test results that said if he was a clone or not. Unfortunately, it turns out later in the story that they could have been useful. |
| 32 | * AmbiguousCloneEnding: That would be revisited years down the line. Though as Peter logically points out he knows he's the real one since the clones were made after Gwen's death and are all fixated on her when he's now in love with MJ and moved on. How could he be the clone if he's the one with an actual real-time memory affected by life experiences? |
| 33 | * BigBadFriend: The Jackal is able to override Peter's Spider-Sense. Why? [[KryptoniteFactor Because he's a friend.]] |
| 34 | * BondVillainStupidity: The Jackal has Spider-Man at his mercy, but ''insists'' on wheeling his unconscious form across town and dumping him over the same bridge where Gwen died. |
| 35 | * {{Brainwashed}}: The Jackal can usurp control over Gwen's's mind if he wishes, although Gwen later manages to shake it off and call him a monster, which horrifies him. PlayedForDrama: the Jackal is a very sad, old man who sees himself as a hero. |
| 36 | -->'''Jackal:''' ''(raving)'' Don't look to ''her'' for help, Spider-Man. She's mine now -- and ''[[IRejectYourReality you can't hurt her anymore!]]'' |
| 37 | * BreakoutCharacter: Little known fact: ComicBook/ThePunisher's first appearance was a part of the storyline, being manipulated by the Jackal into thinking Spider-Man killed a minor character. He reappears in the nineties Clone Saga, this time visiting town for "Jackal hunting season." |
| 38 | * CreateYourOwnVillain: The Jackal says as much, talking to a bust of Spider-Man before hurling it to the floor with a smash. Somewhat inverted, as Warren has only himself to blame. |
| 39 | * FreakOut: In the midst of his budding romance with Mary Jane, poor Peter starts seeing a Gwen doppelganger roaming the streets of New York. This is, plainly, a scheme by the Jackal to drive his enemy completely batty. It works, too, with Peter reduced to hugging his knees and HearingVoices when the clone turns up at his apartment. |
| 40 | * FurnaceBodyDisposal: Peter drops the body of the clone down a smokestack. |
| 41 | * HeKnowsTooMuch: Warren goes mad after murdering his lab assistant, who walked in on him performing his initial cloning experiments. |
| 42 | * HeelRealization: In the end, the Jackal has an epiphany and stops the bomb himself at the cost of his own life. Additionally, one of the Spider-Men is killed in the blast. |
| 43 | * HisHeartWillGoOn: Peter realizes through this adventure that enough time has passed, that he's moved on to a relationship with Mary Jane, that his feelings for Gwen have been supplanted by his feelings for Mary Jane, and that he's no longer the same guy he was when he was with Gwen. The Clone Gwen realizes this at the end, and she leaves town. |
| 44 | * LaserGuidedAmnesia: The Jackal uses a serum to alter the "RNA cells" (just go with it) that affect memory. This is why clones have no recollection of their deaths, or even being cloned in the first place. |
| 45 | * LoveEpiphany: It's during this story that both Peter and Mary Jane finally realize just how much they love each other. Mary Jane is so upset and saddened by the arrival of Gwen's clone, and because Peter could reject her for Gwen, that she keeps asking Peter to make a choice and demands to know how he feels. Peter for his part is confused by guilt until after he fights the clone and realizes that because he loves Mary Jane, he's the real one. The story ends with them having a RelationshipUpgrade [[spoiler:and what is clearly TheirFirstTime in bed together]]. |
| 46 | * MirrorMatch: Featured prominently on cover artwork, and eventually happens at the end. |
| 47 | * NakedOnArrival: The Gwen Stacy clone, and later, all future clones who emerge from their pods (The Jackal included). |
| 48 | * NeverFoundTheBody: Later inverted with the clone Spider-Man, whose body was thrown down a chimney. Apparently he was not NotQuiteDead when Peter disposed of his body, |
| 49 | * RedHerring: Poor Anthony Serba! Despite being drawn with a combover, a name hailing from Shiftystan, and a mug which wouldn't look out of place in ''Dick Tracy'', he's not the culprit here. Far from stealing Warren's tissue samples for his own nefarious use, he tried to dispose of them right before Warren snapped and suffocated him to death. |
| 50 | * RedemptionEqualsDeath: Granted, it was a problem the Jackal ''started'', but... The Gwen clone tears apart Miles Warren's Jackal mask, which somehow breaks him out of this villain mentality, giving enough time for him to release Ned Leeds, but not enough time to escape the explosion. Since then, Miles Warren is believed dead. |
| 51 | * RetCon: Even before the second Clone Saga, there were retcons of this story, partially because of an author-perceived ScienceMarchesOn. It was revealed that Miles Warren didn't make any clones, but infected people with a genetic virus that made them into copies. Then this [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment retcon itself was retconned]] in the second Clone Saga when they decided to bring back the clone. |
| 52 | %%Administrivia/ZeroContextExample* ReplacementGoldfish: Cloned Gwen Stacy. |
| 53 | * TheReveal: Gwen is a clone, the Jackal's identity, Peter Parker is a clone, Peter Parker wasn't a clone after all. |
| 54 | * {{Revenge}}: The Jackal's motivation; he blames Spidey for not saving Gwen Stacy. Nevermind that it was the Green Goblin's fault… |
| 55 | * ShipperOnDeck: Aunt May tells Mary Jane in no uncertain terms to fight for her man against this supposedly revived Gwen. |
| 56 | * TheUnreveal: At the very end, Spider-Man isn't sure if he's the clone or not and gets tested. However, he finds that his [[ThePowerOfLove feelings for Mary Jane]] couldn't have been had by the clone, and so he decides to throw the test results away without reading it. |
| 57 | * WhatHappenedToTheMouse: Clone Gwen Stacy survives the story, appears for the "genetic virus" retcon, and then vanishes for several years. When she does return during the second saga, it is revealed she had a mental breakdown and was nursed back to health by a clone of Warren, who she later marries, but he dies protecting her from Phil Urich's Green Goblin. Gwen's memories of her cloned life come back and she seeks revenge on the Jackal, but goes off-grid again at the conclusion of ''Maximum Clonage'' |
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| 60 | [[folder:Clone Saga Crossover Event (1994–96)]] |
| 61 | * ADayInTheLimelight: The "Crossfire" two-parter gives the spotlight to Judas Traveller, explained as an immortal being who lived for centuries. This does not mesh well with the retcons of "The Osborn Journal". |
| 62 | * AffectionateParody: ''ComicBook/OneHundredAndOneWaysToEndTheCloneSaga'', a comic about Marvel writers and editors trying to find a way to pull off an AuthorsSavingThrow in increasingly humorous ways... [[SelfDeprecation and it's written by Marvel's writers and editors]]. |
| 63 | * AndNowForSomeoneCompletelyDifferent: After the first arc, "Power and Responsibility", the four Spider-titles are divided into two sections, each pair accompanying one Spider-Man: ''Amazing'' and ''Spectacular'' focus on Peter, while ''Web of'' and ''Adjectiveless'' on Ben Reilly. |
| 64 | ** "Back From the Edge": Peter fights Puma, then meets Daredevil and confronts the Owl and Vulture. |
| 65 | ** "The Exile Returns": Ben Reilly defeats Venom and Scream. |
| 66 | ** "Web of Death": Peter, infected by a virus by the Vulture, is helped by Dr. Octopus, who also discovers his identity. Kaine kills Octopus. |
| 67 | ** "Web of Life": Ben Reilly faces Kraven's son The Grim Hunter, who is killed by Kaine. |
| 68 | * AntiHeroSubstitute: In an inversion, while Peter's personality had started to darken over the past several months, Ben was an intentional throwback to Spidey in his earlier days. |
| 69 | * ArcWelding: The murders Kaine committed that Peter was later blamed for happened at the same time as the events of ''ComicBook/KravensLastHunt'', so Peter didn't have an alibi for the murders unless he blew his secret identity. |
| 70 | * ArmedWithCanon: |
| 71 | ** Peter trying on blond wigs in a department store with MJ and wondering how Ben thought [[PaperThinDisguise it could possibly fool anyone]]. This was writer Howard Mackie’s dig at the notion that Ben could dye his hair blond to avoid identification. Adding salt in the wound, the "blond Ben Reilly" idea was pitched by the outgoing Editor-in-Chief, who was sacked in large part due to [[TheScapegoat the inter-office chaos]] at the time. |
| 72 | ** When Ben Reilly criticizes Spider-Man's pact with Venom, he is speaking with writer Glenn Greenberg's voice. It illustrates the ideological differences between both heroes, but equally, the portrayal of Venom as an "anti-hero" left a bad taste in a lot of writers' mouths. |
| 73 | * ArtisticLicenseLaw: The trial of Peter Parker is this, full stop. For starters, Peter is accused of murder in Utah, but put on trial in New York City. The prosecution opens with calling a surprise witness, which is bad enough abuse of the legal system by itself but is compound by the fact that said witness is Mary Jane, who through New York state's SpousalPrivilege laws would have immunity from being compelled to testify against her husband. The prosector asks her one question, then openly calls Peter a murderer after she answers it (without an objection by Peter's lawyer), then has her leave the witness stand without letting the defense cross-examine her. And things go downhill from there... |
| 74 | * TheAtoner: It was this era of Spider-Man's career that introduced Phil Urich, who attempted to re-purpose the Green Goblin costume and alias for justice. |
| 75 | * BackForTheDead: |
| 76 | ** Ben Reilly, thought to have been dumped into a smokestack and incinerated by a fearful Spider-Man, returns at the start of the storyline (in late-1994) and sacrifices himself at the end of the final story arc (December 1996). |
| 77 | ** Hero Nightwatch, introduced in ''ComicBook/WebOfSpiderMan'' #98-100, had a short-lived solo title in 1994-1995. He reappears in ''Spider-Man Unlimited'' #14, and is unceremoniously killed by El Toro Negro as part of "The Great Game", a storyline begun in the "Scarlet Spider" titles of late-1995. |
| 78 | * BackFromTheDead: A person named "Gaunt" appears in league with Seward Trainer and Osborn. It is later revealed he was Mendel Stromm, the RobotMaster, who used a premature version of the Goblin formula on himself and, like Norman, it "preserved his body". |
| 79 | * BadassLongcoat: The first thing Nineties Jackal grabs after emerging from his cloning pod. |
| 80 | * BecomingTheMask: Per ''The Osborn Journal'', Seward Trainer was Miles Warren's assistant by the time of the 1970s ''Clone Saga'', and was blackmailed by Scrier to develop a friendship with Ben Reilly in order to keep tabs on him. However, a genuine bond did develop between the two, so much so Trainer apologized to Ben in the arc "Blood Brothers", and tried to warn Peter and Ben in "Revelations". |
| 81 | * BestServedCold: The whole saga is revealed to be Norman's revenge against Peter for Harry's death--which makes him responsible for everyone that got killed or hurt throughout. When this is revealed to Peter, Norman has also set in motion a plan to kill those in the supporting cast that he feels either wronged him personally or enabled Harry's death. And there's the question of Baby May... |
| 82 | * BitingTheHandHumor: WordOfGod says that the ''Bugle'' scenes contain several jabs at ''Marvel'' management for its handling of this storyline. In particular, Jameson has a run-in with businessman Roderick Kingsley at a gala; he offers (unsolicited) advice on how to reinvigorate the ailing newspaper: "Sell the majority of your shares to the public!" (''Marvel'' tried that in 1991, leading to their bankruptcy five years later.) |
| 83 | -->'''Jameson:''' I'd never take the Bugle public, Kingsley--because I know that its long-term integrity would suffer under corporate connivers like you, who dream up ridiculous little 'schemes' which only produce short-term gains! |
| 84 | * BlandNameProduct: In ''Amazing Spider-Man'' #413, Spider-Man is apparently shrunk to toy size and fights an astronaut toy named "[[Franchise/ToyStory Fuzz]]". |
| 85 | * BoldInflation: FemmeFatale Delilah, introduced in this arc, '''has''' a '''bad''' habit of '''this''' mixed in with '''weird fonts'''. |
| 86 | * {{Bookends}}: ''The Final Adventure'' was apparently supposed to be this, since Peter takes up a job at the same facility that arranged the radioactive experiment that gave him his powers in his adolescence. In issue #4, he is bombarded again and apparently loses his spider-powers, allowing him to live a normal life with Mary Jane. That is, until he comes back to New York. |
| 87 | * BreakoutCharacter: |
| 88 | ** Averted at first but eventually played straight. The Clone Saga was filled with attempts to create {{Breakout Character}}s. None of them took off. On the other hand, the ''Clone Saga'' gave us ''ComicBook/WhatIf'' v2 #105, which gave us ''ComicBook/SpiderGirl''. |
| 89 | ** Kaine is something of a break-out character introduced here, as he recently has gone on to have a his own solo series and joined the New Warriors. However he only took off after his return years later and not directly from the Clone Saga. |
| 90 | * BrokenBird: [[ThatManIsDead Janine Godbe/Elizabeth Tyne]] from Lost Years and Redemption minis. [[ParentalIncest Big]] [[SelfMadeOrphan time]]. [[FirstGirlWins At least she won]] and [[SomeoneToRememberHimBy had a "keepsake"]] in ''ComicBook/SpiderGirl''! ([[MissingMom Sort of]]). |
| 91 | * CapturedOnPurpose: At the end of "Players and Pawns" arc, the Jackal is captured and taken to Ravencroft. This is his ''plan'', so he can get the Carrion Virus from Shriek, another inmate. |
| 92 | * ChronicBackstabbingDisorder: The Jackal, and the TooDumbToLive characters don't remember his constant betraying ''30 minutes after he does so''. |
| 93 | * CListFodder: While Kaine murders Dr. Octopus, one of Spidey's legendary foes, the other villain he murdered early on was... the Grim Hunter, the son of Kraven the Hunter, who was introduced not even a year earlier and was tossed away because the writers had absolutely no idea what to do with him. |
| 94 | * CivvieSpandex: Ben Reilly's Scarlet Spider costume involves a blue sleeveless hoodie on top of a standard spider-costume. |
| 95 | * ClearMyName: |
| 96 | ** Thanks to Kaine screwing with Ben, Peter ends up getting blamed for Kaine's crimes (and has no alibi that could work without blowing his secret identity) and has to clear his name. Ben takes his place in jail while he does so. Kaine eventually relents and turns himself in after Peter threatens to reveal his identity in court to save Ben. |
| 97 | ** During the "Blood Brothers" arc, Jason Macendale burns Ben's workplace, the Daily Grind, pinning the blame on Ben. After the arc, Ben captures Jason Macendale and clears his name with Macendale's confession. |
| 98 | * CloneAngst: During the beginning of the story, Ben hits this trope quite hard because he believes himself the clone, going so far to believe he's no man. When the Jackal steps in and starts screwing with their minds, both Ben and Peter go through it, ultimately leading to Peter having a breakdown when it seems that he was the clone. After the Maximum Clonage, they get over themselves quite quickly. |
| 99 | * CloneDegeneration: This happens to a lot of the clones in this story. Kaine, according to WordOfGod, has a life support system in his costume just to stop this from killing him. |
| 100 | * ComicBookTime: According to a comment by the Jackal, there is a gap of five years between this storyline and the first Clone Saga in-universe. Since just over twenty actual years had passed in real life, this is some serious time compression. |
| 101 | * ComicBookDeath: The nineties Clone Saga brings back not only the Peter and Gwen clones, but also Mendel Stromm, the Jackal, and Norman Osborn. Many of these characters are still with us; there's even a modest movement in the fandom to bring Ben Reilly back. There was a pitch to bring Harry Osborn back to life, as well. |
| 102 | ** The story sees Norman Osborn come back from the dead. Two people killed during the Clone Saga--Aunt May and Doctor Octopus--come back after the story's over.[[note]]Doctor Octopus eventually died again from repeated head trauma over the years, but his consciousness survived ([[ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan long story]]), and he managed to officially come back to life in ''ComicBook/DeadNoMoreTheCloneConspiracy''.[[/note]] |
| 103 | *** Well, to be fair to Norman, he had actually been dead for more than 20 years in RealLife, so he arguably counts as a mild subversion. |
| 104 | * ConvenientMiscarriage: During the Clone Saga, Mary Jane was pregnant with Baby May. Baby May was originally supposed to tie into the storyline of Peter Parker not being the real Peter Parker. Since Peter wasn't the real Peter anymore, Marvel would have been able to get around the problem where having a baby would age Peter too much. But after the fan revolt, Marvel decided to make Peter the real Peter after all and the pregnancy storyline was dropped. It should be mentioned the writers implied Norman may have taken the baby somewhere; this was LeftHanging in the comics proper and is probably now CanonDiscontinuity as of ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'', but the AlternateContinuity comic ''ComicBook/SpiderGirl'' took the thread and ran with it. |
| 105 | * ConservationOfNinjitsu: Averted with the evil Spider-Man clone army. Ben Reilly barely escapes them with his life and in the end, [[AntiClimaxBoss they end up dissolving]] and are never fully defeated by the heroes. |
| 106 | * CourtroomEpisode: "The Trial of Peter Parker" StoryArc, with a KangarooCourt sequence thrown in for good measure. |
| 107 | * CoversAlwaysLie: Many covers had blurbs teasing that new twists would be revealed, only for the issue to present no new developments. Also, during ''Maximum Clonage'', almost every cover featured an army of Spider-Clones. They ended up only appearing for one full issue and a few pages, then dying with little relevance to the plot. |
| 108 | * CreateYourOwnVillain: In "The Final Adventure" mini-series, a serial killer is subjected to an experimental treatment by Dr. Monica Staphos, Peter Parker's colleague. Peter secretly analyzes her research and adds his radioactive blood, causing a positive result that greatly advances Staphos's project. When Dr. Monica injects her patient with the resultant serum, made from Peter's blood, she accidentally transforms him into a monstrous spider hybrid called Tendril. Peter [[TheAtoner being]] ''[[ChronicHeroSyndrome Peter]]'', he feels responsible for the monster and hunts him. |
| 109 | * CursedWithAwesome: According to WordOfGod, Kaine's CloneDegeneration gives him his precognition - amplifying his SpiderSense. |
| 110 | ** The Mark of Kaine was also said to be an amplified wall-crawling trait -- specifically, using his wall-crawling/clinging powers to stick his hand to someone, and then rip it off, leaving a perfect hand-shaped mark. Of course, Peter Parker's "stick-em" powers are powerful enough to do the same, but most of his opponents only have their face exposed, so the results could be ''very'' gruesome. |
| 111 | * {{Cyberspace}}: |
| 112 | ** A series of arcs in late-1995 ("The Greatest Responsibility", "Virtual Mortality" and "Cyberwar") featured Lady Octopus trying to obtain chips and other technology. Her master plan? To "merge reality with cyberspace" and bring the Master Programmer to reality, because the latter was an avatar of Dr. Octopus's consciousness he uploaded online. |
| 113 | ** Seward Trainer, Ben Reilly's scientist friend, was also venturing into the Cyberspace, when his consciousness was trapped there, leaving his body in a coma. |
| 114 | * {{Cyborg}}: Jason Macendale, the second Hobgoblin, returns during 1996 as a subordinate to Gaunt. This time, he has some cyborg updates. |
| 115 | * DearJohnLetter: In ''The Final Adventure'' mini-series, issues #2-3, Mary Jane, fed up with Peter taking up the mantle of Spider-Man ''again'' in Portland against his promises, writes him a letter and leaves home back to New York. |
| 116 | * DeathSeeker: In ''Spider-Man: Redemption'' mini-series, Kaine tries to push Ben Reilly over the edge to kill him, and, failign that, attempts a SuicideByCop. |
| 117 | * DemonicPossession: In the "Web of Carnage" arc, Ben Reilly, as Spider-Man, is taken over by the Carnage symbiote, turning him into "Spider-Carnage". |
| 118 | * {{Determinator}}: Peter is made to think his entire life is a lie. While he initially has a FreakOut, he comes to terms with it and moves on from there. Norman points this out: |
| 119 | -->"[[ComicBook/TheNightGwenStacyDied The death of Gwen Stacy]], the revelation that your life was a lie, that you were a clone--through it all you found a way to not only survive, but to make a life for yourself. Through the worst of it, you prospered. And I '''HATE''' you for it!" |
| 120 | * DiscriminateAndSwitch: Ben Reilly as Spider-Man gets accused of being racist by an African-American man who turned out to be an undercover police detective, but the real reason Ben was suspicious of the man was because Ben's boss at the coffee bar he works at is the cop's ex-wife, merely said he was bad news and undependable, and was worried about their son being near him. |
| 121 | * DistractedByMyOwnSexy: The newly-hatched Jackal struts and flexes in his first appearance, admiring his new super-strong body. [[Wrestling/VinceMcMahon It's not very often that you see an old man with a HERCULEAN physique like that!]] |
| 122 | -->"I'd like to see the nitwits at NSU deny me tenure ''now''!"'' |
| 123 | * DivideAndConquer: In "Revelations", Osborn orders Mendel Stromm to keep Ben Reilly and Peter Parker busy and away from Mary Jane while she is in labour. |
| 124 | * DoingInTheWizard: Judas Traveller and the Scrier were introduced back in 1994 and apparently possessed supernatural powers. Come 1996, with ''Amazing Spider-Man'' #417, and 1997's ''The Osborn Journal'', Traveller was revealed to be a mutant with illusionary powers, and the Scrier was simply an European cult whose technology, provided by Norman Osborn and Gaunt, gave the illusion of magic powers and teleportation. |
| 125 | * DoesNotLikeWomen: One of the guests who stands up to Norman is his daughter-in-law Liz Allan. It earns her a ''hard'' backhand and a "Silence, cow!", along with a rant about how she [[NeverMyFault ruined his son's life and made him a weakling]]. |
| 126 | * DoubleMeaningTitle: The title of arc "Smoke and Mirrors" can be read literally ''and'' metaphorically: in the metaphorical sense, it refers to the Jackal's deception, his attempts to cast doubts on Ben and Peter's identities and the defective Gwen Stacy clone; in the literal sense, it can refer to the wisps of smoke that surround Gwen after she emerges of the cloning pod, and the Jackal somehow entering a mirror to escape the Spiders. |
| 127 | * DownerEnding: Ben dies, Peter and Mary Jane lose their baby, Osborn/Goblin is still at large and Peter decides to quit being Spider-Man (for the moment). |
| 128 | * DramaticIrony: ''Spider-Man Unlimited'' #12 gives closure to the Spider-Skeleton plot point. In the issue, a forensic anthropologist tests a 3D reconstruction of Peter's skull earlier. When the authorities bring the skeleton to the public demonstration, the forensic anthropologist uses the same process on the skeleton, and shows its face: ''Peter's''! Of course, the forensics expert ''is'' right, since the Spider-Skeleton is another Spider-clone, but Peter is there in the audience, so the skeleton could not be him or his. At the end, the policewoman who watched the previous demonstration dismisses it as a procedure error made by the expert, and the plotline comes to a close. |
| 129 | * DreamingOfThingsToCome: A recurring plot point during 1995 was that Kaine, Peter's clone, has been having visions about someone killing Mary Jane. At first, this serves to justify him killing The Grim Hunter and Dr. Octopus. As the saga went on, Kaine's visions were getting more precise, until he saw Peter Parker trying to kill his wife (which did happen in the "Time Bomb" two-part arc). |
| 130 | * DroppedABridgeOnHim: Quite a few examples. |
| 131 | ** Both the Grim Hunter (Kraven's first son) and Doctor Octopus were killed early on in order to establish Kaine as a powerful threat. The former's creator Howard Mackie offered up the Hunter because he reportedly didn't know where to take him, and he has stayed dead. [[ComicBookDeath Ock, however…]]. |
| 132 | ** When the saga was reaching one of its intended wrap-up points, both the Jackal and Kaine, two major figures, were quickly and unceremoniously killed off. Kaine got better, though, very quickly afterwards. |
| 133 | ** Once Peter was set to come back, several of Ben Reilly's villains were killed off in rapid succession. |
| 134 | ** DK, a human inadvertently mutated into a muck monster capable of decaying anything and suffering from depression and SurvivorsGuilt, survived the Saga only to commit suicide by using his powers to dissolve himself from the inside out. |
| 135 | ** Surprisingly averted with Ben Reilly, the source for a lot of hatred amongst fans. He was given a fairly respectful death at the hands of the Green Goblin. |
| 136 | * DyeOrDie: It's one thing to have two Spider-Men running around; it's quite another to have two Peter Parkers. So Ben Reilly goes blond. This also went a long way toward differentiating his character. |
| 137 | * EvilCannotComprehendGood: Norman just can't understand why Peter never gives up. |
| 138 | * EvilKnockoff: Kaine, a murderous clone of Peter Parker/Spider-Man. Once Kaine started to become an AntiHero, Spidercide - ''another'' murderous clone of Peter Parker/Spider-Man - was introduced to pick up the slack. |
| 139 | * EvilVersusEvil: In the series of arcs in late-1995 ("The Greatest Responsibility", "Virtual Mortality" and "Cyberwar"), Lady Octopus and Alistair Smythe were warring against each other, either directly of by proxy, with Scarlet Spider caught in the middle. |
| 140 | * ExpendableClone: In ''ComicBook/SpiderIsland'', it's confirmed that the Jackal has a few squirreled away, leaving the nature of 90's-era Jackal uncertain. The current Jackal is a blend of old and new: He keeps the green fur and lupine anatomy of the original, but (like his clone counterpart) it's not a costume anymore. The version we see in this story has smaller ears and a full head of green hair. |
| 141 | * {{Expy}}: The new Jackal is transparently patterned on ComicBook/TheJoker in both looks and temperament. He never stops cracking wise, and his death scene is a literal pratfall. |
| 142 | * FacePalmOfDoom: The preferred killing method of Kaine. |
| 143 | * FightingFingerprint: In the arc "Web of Life", starring Ben as the Scarlet Spider, Grim Hunter, one of Kraven's sons, fights Ben, thinking he is Peter, and, after a quick battle, recognizes that Ben was not the one he fought. |
| 144 | -->'''Grim Hunter:''' ''[[YouFool Fool]]! See how easily I avoid your attack! But... even as I watch you move... ...no... it cannot be... You are '''not''' him. The scent is the same... that is '''curious''', but of no consequence to me. The fighting style is slightly different. I '''know''' the man I fought... and you are not him.'' |
| 145 | * FirstGirlWins: Janine/Elizabeth Tyne, [[spoiler:who is Ben's babymama in ''ComicBook/SpiderGirl'']]. |
| 146 | * FlawedPrototype: Kaine is identified as the first clone of Peter, who suffers from cellular degeneration that leaves him looking like a cracked statue that will eventually kill him, although he possesses superior strength to Peter or Ben. |
| 147 | * FleetingDemographicRule: The ultimate result, more or less. Suspicious test results, a Gwen Stacy clone still alive out there, somewhere... |
| 148 | -->'''Glenn Greenberg''': The status quo, at least in that regard, is ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENT from the way it was in 1975 when the original clone story line ended. |
| 149 | ** A slight inversion in Norman Osborn, who was not resurrected only to be killed again. Instead, he got promoted to the series' [[TheChessmaster arch-manipulator]] and VillainWithGoodPublicity (as opposed to a lunatic MadBomber), as well as cementing his place as '''the''' ArchEnemy of Spider-Man. Over the next decade or so his threat hangs over Peter and his supporting cast and he ends up ruining many of their lives, or doing his damnest to at least. |
| 150 | * FreakOut: Peter has one when he starts thinking he's the clone, but it doesn't last long before he calms down and just accepts it. |
| 151 | * GenreShift: The Second Clone Saga concretely moves away from Spider-Man's SmallStepsHero kitchen-sink storyline for a kind of byzantine conspiracy and bizarre science-fiction with a dollop of fantasy added on top. |
| 152 | * GuestStarPartyMember: |
| 153 | ** Daredevil joins Spider-Man in the second arc "Back from the Edge". |
| 154 | ** The New Warriors cameo at the start of the "Maximum Clonage" arc, and help Scarlet Spider in the "Time Bomb" two-parter. |
| 155 | * HeKnowsTooMuch: In the last arc, "Revelations", Seward Trainer discovers Norman Osborn is the real mastermind, and tries to make a run to warn either Ben or Peter. Just as he reaches the streets before the Daily Bugle, Mendel Stromm and Osborn intercept him, and Norman breaks his neck. |
| 156 | * HeroicBSOD: Spider-Man suffered two. The first one he's already in the middle of when the storyline opens, because of his Aunt being in the hospital and his "parents" being revealed to be robots. The second is after Seward Trainer [[BlatantLies "reveals"]] that Ben is the real Peter and he's the clone. |
| 157 | * HeroicSacrifice: Ben gets in-between Peter and a goblin glider--taking a blade in the back and then falling to his death. |
| 158 | * HijackedByGanon: In "Revelations", it turned out the entire event had been orchestrated by Norman Osborn. |
| 159 | * HistoryRepeats: Ben is impaled ''and'' tumbles to the ground in a manner similar to Norman/Gwen. Also, he explicitly refers to himself as "[[GenerationXerox Uncle Ben]]" as he dies (a reference to Peter's daughter). |
| 160 | * HorrorDoesntSettleForSimpleTuesday: Norman Osborn makes his grand return from the dead on Halloween night. He ''planned'' for his reappearance to coincide with the occasion. |
| 161 | -->"Tomorrow night, Peter. Tomorrow night, the journey comes to an '''end'''. For tomorrow night is '''Halloween''' night. The night for '''ghosts'''... ...and '''goblins'''!" |
| 162 | * InfoDump: See MotiveRant. Glenn Greenberg was permitted to pen a one-off issue, ''The Osborn Journal'', to tie up all of Norman's loose ends and explain why he'd been hiding in Europe all these years and masterminded the whole Saga. |
| 163 | * InformedAbility: The writers tried to make [[BigBad The Jackal]] out to be so [[ManipulativeBastard great at manipulating people]] that, during "Smoke & Mirrors", Peter and Ben say that refusing to trust him would be to call into question everything they've ever known. Here's the problem: [[ObviouslyEvil at no point does the Jackal ever come across as remotely trustworthy.]] Throughout "Smoke & Mirrors", the Jackal does little more than spout off BlatantLies that are InstantlyProvenWrong, and he says everything in such a smarmy, jokey manner that it's hard to take seriously anything he says. This makes it more than a little baffling that Peter and Ben would keep trusting him on his word. |
| 164 | * {{Interquel}}: A series of stories in the flipside of the ''Web of Spider-Man'' #117, ''Amazing Spider-Man'' #394, ''Spider-Man'' #51, and ''Spectacular Spider-Man'' #217 shows the birth of the clone, up until the meeting between the two Spider-Men at the Shea Stadium (as depicted in ''Amazing Spider-Man'' #149). |
| 165 | * IntrepidReporter: In ''The Final Adventure'' mini-series, Bugle reporter Ken Ellis is preparing a story connecting the dots between Scarlet Spider, Spider-Man (Peter, previously, and Ben now) and Peter himself. He does connect the dots between Spider's appearance in television and Uncle Ben's death, which acted as the motive to his change in behaviour. On Mary Jane's behalf, editor Robbie Robertson pulls some strings to make sure the story never sees print. |
| 166 | * TheKindnapper: In issue #3 of ''Spider-Man: Redemption'', Janine Godbe is being transported as a prisoner, when a mysterious assailant attacks her convoy and takes off with her. The assailant is Ben Reilly, her lover, who just wanted to rescue her from police custody. |
| 167 | * KudzuPlot: A lot of it was because [[WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants even the writers weren't sure where they were going with this]]. |
| 168 | ** The most obvious example of this was the climax of the saga which featured an evil army of Spider-Man clones. This part of the story was written across different titles by different writers. One issue introduced the army in a CliffHanger panel. Another comic followed that up by having Kaine appear to help out, but being told [[ThouShallNotKill not to kill any of the clones]]. The followup issue by yet another creative team depicted Kaine slaughtering several clones with no-one objecting. The writer also didn't seem to know what to do with the army so he just had them randomly dissolve into dust with a brief line of dialogue about them being "unstable". In the end, the clone army had no real importance to the plot despite much hype to the contrary. |
| 169 | * LeeroyJenkins: The Scarlet Spider doesn't much cotton to Peter's longstanding truce with Venom. |
| 170 | * LegacyCharacter: |
| 171 | ** A few were introduced for Kraven (The Grim Hunter), Doctor Octopus ([[DistaffCounterpart Lady Octopus]]), and the Rose. The Grim Hunter got killed by Kaine, Lady Octopus only lasted a few years before the classic Doc Ock returned (though she later turned up in ''ComicBook/SpiderGirl''), and the new Rose only lasted about as long as Lady Octopus. |
| 172 | ** Phil Urich became the fourth Green Goblin, but [[RedeemingReplacement he was trying to be a hero]]. He got his own short-lived series, kicked around the main universe and became a recurring character in ''Spider-Girl''. |
| 173 | ** An oddball version happened in "The Trial of Peter Parker" when Ben decided to swap places with Peter in jail. Since Peter didn't have his costume and running around as himself would be stupid, he would spend time as the Scarlet Spider. |
| 174 | ** Another character in the Rose's identity was introduced. This was not Richard Fisk, although a villain makes it a point by listing the previous identities. However, the new Rose was eventually revealed as [[spoiler: Daily Bugle reporter Jacob Conover]] ("ASM" #436). |
| 175 | * LifeDeathJuxtaposition: The final part of "Web of Death" applies the imagery: [[spoiler:Kaine battles and breaks Dr. Octopus's neck, while Peter and Mary Jane build their future daughter's crib, celebrating the coming of a new life.]] |
| 176 | * LongLostRelative: A character named Jessica Carradine was introduced in the new title ''Sensational Spider-Man'', as the daughter of the burglar who killed Uncle Ben. She was also poised to become a potential LoveInterest for Ben Reilly during this time, until the creative gears were shifting to bring Peter back from Portland and reestablish him as the true Spider-Man, and she was given a sendoff. |
| 177 | * TheManBehindTheMan: The false DNA results for Peter Parker were fed to the Jackal by the Scrier Organization, who in turn were being led by Gaunt, who in fact was a DecoyLeader in the employ of the Scriers' true master, Norman Osborn. (He later rebranded the cult as The Order of the Goblin, a personal touch.) |
| 178 | * MesACrowd: The objective behind the Jackal's "Carrion Bomb" is to turn the entire world's population into clones of Peter Parker. Not clones of the Jackal himself, or even a billion Gwen Stacys; just Peter Parker. As mentioned above, he's crazy, so it doesn't have to make sense. |
| 179 | * MirrorMatch: The very first arc of the 1990s Clone Saga, "Power and Responsibility", puts Peter and Ben face to face since the 1970s, and their meeting is not a pleasant one. |
| 180 | * MissingStepsPlan: [[http://www.toplessrobot.com/2008/11/the_13_dumbest_spiderman_storiesjust_from_the_clon.php?page=3 From Topless Robot]]: |
| 181 | --> At this point in the Clone Saga the reborn Jackal is still alive and hatching his fucking incoherent plan to somehow turn every person in the world into a Peter Parker clone, so… uh… profit? |
| 182 | * MistakenForRacist: As noted under "Discriminate and Switch", Shirley's ex-husband, Garon, thought that Ben was racist due to Ben acting to Shirley's desire to want their son, Devon, unaware that Ben worked for his ex-wife, thought he was bad news, and wasn't aware that Garon was an undercover cop. |
| 183 | * MotiveRant: The final issue of the saga has Osborn giving a series of these. [[KudzuPlot He had a lot to explain, after all.]] |
| 184 | * MyGodWhatHaveIDone: Peter's reaction immediately after smacking a very pregnant Mary Jane into a wall. |
| 185 | * NoBodyLeftBehind: The majority of the Jackal's clones collapse into goo once their number is up -- even a copy of Gwen Stacy. Ben, conveniently enough, turns to dust. This allows Peter to give him a proper farewell by scattering his "brother's" ashes to the wind. |
| 186 | * NoHoldsBarredBeatdown: ComicBook/ThePunisher ended up suffering one from Spidey moments after showing up in ''Maximum Clonage''. |
| 187 | * OpeningACanOfClones: The Spider-books in general are famous for this trope, but this is the story arc that kicked it into high gear: |
| 188 | ** First, Ben Reilly comes back to New York, then Kaine (a deformed clone) appears. |
| 189 | ** Then, in "Smoke and Mirrors", the original Jackal returns and throws Ben and Peter's identities into question. |
| 190 | ** Thirdly, a ''third'' clone comes out of a pod, turns into Spidercide, and dies in "Maximum Clonage". |
| 191 | ** During "Maximum Clonage", Ben and Kaine fight an army of defective Spider-Clones that dissolve. |
| 192 | ** A storyline in 1996 has a Spider-Skeleton being found in a chimney, supposedly the original clone's scorched remains, probably the intention was to throw doubt on Ben's identity and put forward the possibility of both Spider-Men being clones. By this point, though, there were already so many clones running around, the effect was lost and the whole subplot was discarded and quickly resolved. |
| 193 | ** The Jackal himself: in ''The Osborn Journal'', the Miles Warren that died in the Shea Stadium explosion was another clone. |
| 194 | * OrcusOnHisThrone: Norman was introduced very late in the game. He doesn't even enter the picture until ''all'' of his subordinates have been snuffed out, apart from the Scriers (who later came to his rescue after he was captured by Spider-Man and sectioned). He explains that he'd been living sumptuously in Europe and rubbing elbows with the Scriers. He gradually usurped the organization and converted it into a tool for personal revenge. |
| 195 | * OutsideContextProblem: |
| 196 | ** Judas Traveller and Scrier. Apparently no-one really knew what was going on with them, and while [[WhatCouldHaveBeen ideas were proposed]]--such as Traveller being a FallenAngel and Scrier being Mephisto--ultimately Traveller [[MasterOfIllusion was just an illusionist]] who bought into his own hype and started believing he could actually control time, and Scrier [[CollectiveIdentity was really a group of individuals in a cult who all wear the same masks]], apart from the lead Scrier, who was Norman Osborn himself... got all that? |
| 197 | ** In ''Scarlet Spider Unlimited'' #1, who else got involved with the ''Clone Saga''? The ''High Evolutionary'', who isn't someone usual for Spider-Man's corner, featuring more in Avengers or X-Men stories. |
| 198 | * PlotHole: If he wasn't the clone, how did the Jackal program Peter to be a ManchurianAgent in the event of the former's death? The Answer: Exhausted writers. |
| 199 | * PoliticallyIncorrectVillain: Norman striking Liz marked the start of Norman becoming this. |
| 200 | * PostMortemComeback: After the Jackal died, a post-mortem compulsion activates within Spider-Man's brain, causing him to try to kill whoever he loves most under temporary conscious mind control. |
| 201 | * ThePowerOfLove: In the "Time Bomb" two-parter, Mary Jane draws Peter to his Queens home and surrounds herself with pictures of May and Ben Parker. Drawing strength from his loved ones' memories, Peter overcomes Jackal's programming. |
| 202 | * PracticallyJoker: The Jackal [[http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FVXCQBs2iUU/THNuNiHdFGI/AAAAAAAAEQM/ZzYrVUbSwf8/s1600/SSM223.jpg is a not-so-subtle Joker expy]]. |
| 203 | * PretendingToBeOnesOwnRelative: After Peter and Mary Jane return to New York from Portland, Ben and Peter pretend to be cousins to ward off suspicions. |
| 204 | * PullingThemselvesTogether: During "Maximum Clonage", Spidercide turns his body into water and tries to drown Ben Reilly, but he breaks free, cracking Spidercide's body into fragments. Joking about his situation, he slowly reassembles himself. |
| 205 | * PutOnABus: Many of Spidey's old foes and supporting cast retire or otherwise let go of the titles to make way for Ben Reilly's foes and supporting characters, including Peter Parker himself. When Parker comes back, [[TheBusCameBack so does everyone else]]. Meanwhile, Reilly's side characters vanish in a similar manner. |
| 206 | ** Osborn supposedly orders the death of Kaine off-panel, but he survives and returns under a number of aliases: Scarlet Spider (the second one), Tarantula, and others. |
| 207 | ** Done ''twice'' for Ben Reilly's tenure as Spider-Man: |
| 208 | *** In late-1995, all Spider-Man titles ("Web of", "Amazing", "Spider-Man", and "Spectacular") were replaced by Scarlet Spider. An attempt was made to give Ben his own cast, but, after two months (November and December), the Scarlet Spider identity was retired, and Ben was given a new direction. |
| 209 | *** Starting in 1996, a new title, "Sensational Spider-Man", was launched, helmed by writer Dan Jurgens and featuring Ben as the New Spider-Man, with a new costume. Jessica Carradine, the burglar's daughter, was introduced in issue #0, along with the people from a café named "Daily Grind". Jessica vanished after issue #6, and after "Revelations", so did the Daily Grind peeps. |
| 210 | ** Judas Traveller, who was introduced at the initial arc, disappears in 1995, only to return for a two-parter in late-1996 for his plotline to have some semblance of a closure, then is sent off to regions unknown. |
| 211 | * {{ReCut}}: The ''Spider-Man: The Complete Ben Reilly Epic'' TPB #6 adds some extra pages pencilled by John Romita Jr. to ''Spider-Man'' #75: |
| 212 | ** Some showcase Ben Reilly fighting against Osborn between ''Amazing Spider-Man'' #418 and the issue, when he regains consciousness. |
| 213 | ** More pages were given to Peter and Norman's fight. |
| 214 | ** Three epilogues were added as well: in the first, Peter and Mary Jane are comforted by their friends for their losses; in the second, Peter [[DueToTheDead scatters Ben's ashes]] from a cinerary urn; in the third, which also acts as TheStinger, some architects survey the damage done to Osborn's building, when the man himself rises from some debris, kills the workers, and walks scot-free through the door, stating that the Green Goblin persona has accomplished much, but now Norman Osborn will do the rest. |
| 215 | * RedHerring: The Spider-Man skeleton left behind in the smokestack. It turned out to be the 'original' Ben Reilly, later replaced with a second clone by the Jackal. |
| 216 | * RedemptionEarnsLife: Pun aside, in the ''Spider-Man: Redemption'' mini-series, by J. M. [=DeMatteis=] and Mike Zeck, Kaine explodes a diner Ben Reilly and Janine were in, but rethinks his plan and rescues them. Later, Ben repays the favour by saving Kaine from a SuicideByCop. Kaine thanks him and surrenders himself to the police. |
| 217 | * RememberTheNewGuy: A strange variation after Ben Reilly took up the mantle of Spider-Man: |
| 218 | ** In January, 1996, that month's issues dealt with Ben reconnecting with old acquaintances: Human Torch, Silver Sable, Sandman, and single mother/superpowered mercenary Poison. |
| 219 | ** During the same time, he also cameoed in ''Daredevil'' #354, and had to explain to the blind hero who was he, since Matt Murdock knew Spider-Man's heartbeat, and he (Peter) was standing next to him in the streets when Ben swung by. |
| 220 | * ResetButton: In 1995, Aunt May dies of a heart attack (but only after revealing that she always knew Peter Parker was Spider-Man). This too was poignant. In 1998, Norman admits to kidnapping Aunt May, replacing her with a genetically altered elderly actress and keeping the real May alive in a warehouse for absolutely no damn reason. |
| 221 | * TheReveal: Norman Osborn is the one behind everything, and Peter really was the real deal all along. |
| 222 | * RightForTheWrongReasons: After the discovery of the Spider-Skeleton in the "Return of Kaine" arc, Peter wants to get it tested by the Avengers, not Seward Trainer, who did the clone/testing in ''Spectacular Spider-Man'' #226, proving he was the clone. Peter suspected Trainer's objectivity in favouring Ben somehow. He was right in doubting Trainer's reliability, but not for the reasons he thought, as revealed in the "Blood Brothers" arc. |
| 223 | * RoaringRampageOfRevenge: One issue of ''Spider-Man Unlimited'' has a new Sinister Six band together in order to try and kill Kaine before he kills them. Neither of them get the chance to do the deed. |
| 224 | * RuleOfSymbolism: When Jessica Carradine is introduced (''Sensational Spider-Man'' #0) and in her subsequent appearances, she is always seen in black outfits - a reminder of her dark past with Spider-Man and her father, the burglar. Per her last on-panel apperance (issue #6), she is wearing a white dress, leaves some flowers on Ben Parker's grave, and declares she is ready to move on with her life and forget Spider-Man. |
| 225 | * SavedForTheSequel: The Gwen Stacy clone, who lingers on the periphery for another decade until Dan Slott [[BackForTheDead nails her coffin nice and tight]] in ''Spider-Island'' (she returns for the sole purpose of getting whacked by her own personal Kaine, an aborted clone named Abby-L.) The Parker baby is also teased to have survived but, like the Gwen clone, this was born of the editors' desperation to keep sales up. Realistically, they had no way of knowing when or if these characters would turn up again, but they needed curious readers to keep following the books. |
| 226 | * SceneryCensor: Occurs with both Mary Jane and the Gwen Stacy clone at different points. |
| 227 | * SecretKeeper: Jessica Carradine takes a picture of Ben Reilly as Spider-Man in ''Sensational Spider-Man'' #4, and ponders if she should send the photos to unmask Reilly (issue #6). She sees him in action leaping into a burning building and gives him an envelope with the negatives, thus saving his secret. |
| 228 | * SeeingThroughAnothersEyes: During the parallel arcs "Web of Life" and "Web of Death", Ben and Peter start to have visions of the clone in a vat being developed, and the Jackal flying to get him. In "Smoke and Mirrors", the sequel immediately after both stories, Peter somehow senses Ben knocked out in the snow in the Andirondack Mountains. These shared visions were never explained, although Ben's could be explained as him being the clone. |
| 229 | * {{Seers}}: Kaine is one; according to WordOfGod, this ability is an amped-up version of Spider-Man's Spider-Sense. |
| 230 | * {{Sequel}}: |
| 231 | ** The mini-series "Funeral for an Octopus" deals with the fallout of Doc Ock's death among the supervillain community. |
| 232 | ** The ''Redemption'' mini-series acts as a continuation to ''Spider-Man: The Lost Years'', bringing to a close Ben vs. Kaine's feud and resolving Janine/Elizabeth's fate. |
| 233 | * SeriesContinuityError: ''Spectacular Spider-Man'' saw Ben go after the Lizard during the events of ''Onslaught''. However, ''Sensational'', ''Amazing'', and "Adjectiveless" ''Spider-Man'' saw Spider-Man get involved in the events of ''Onslaught'', making them a RedSkiesCrossover. Of course, this is not counting the retcons of the retcons of the first Clone Saga. It should be noted that in the main ''Onslaught'' crossover miniseries, none of the two Spider-Men were ever present. |
| 234 | * SexyDiscretionShot: In part two of "Web of Death", Mary Jane returns to their apartment, just as Peter has, and they embrace and kiss, happy to see each other. Some panels later, they are dancing together, implying some sex happened to celebrate their reunion. |
| 235 | * ShipTease: ''Spider-Man Unlimited'' #11 is a big ship tease for the Ben Reilly[=/=]Black Cat pairing: there's mutual flirting between the two, Ben admires Cat's beauty and personality, and Cat is very touchy-feely with Ben. |
| 236 | %% Administrivia/ZeroContextExample* [[ShooOutTheClowns Shoo Out The Clones… er, Clowns!]]: Kaine spends his early appearances doing this, "clearing the deck" for new rogues with his unbeatable Mark of Kaine finisher. |
| 237 | * ShootTheShaggyDog: It was fairly evident, even at an early stage, that Marvel was never going to allow Ben Reilly to replace Peter Parker in the mainline books. Nevertheless, the writers tried -- wishful thinking, perhaps -- to flesh him out with a new supporting cast, a new rogues gallery (mixed bag, that one), a couple of odd jobs outside the ''Daily Bugle'', and a throwback personality akin to the Silver Age Spider-Man. There was even a 'Lost Tales' series dedicated to Ben's past adventures on the road. Very little of Ben survives in the canon, though his grumpy counterpart Kaine is still with us, having mellowed out a little. |
| 238 | * ShoutOut: |
| 239 | ** ComicBook/ThePunisher was brought in for the ''Maximum Clonage'' tie-in miniseries as a reference to the fact that he made his first-ever appearance in the original Clons Saga. |
| 240 | ** The title ''Maximum Clonage'' itself was a CallBack to the ''ComicBook/MaximumCarnage'' arc from a few years previously. |
| 241 | ** In Amazing Spider-Man #411, at night, a burglar tried to rob a wealthy couple in front of their young son, violently pulling the lady's pearl necklace. Her husband confronts the mugger, who prepares to shoot. Does this [[ComicBook/{{Batman}} sound familiar]]? Luckily for the Marvel "Waynes", Spidey/Ben arrives and saves the family. Fittingly enough, the young boy is wearing a Batman shirt. It can be seen [[http://www.comicscube.com/2010/07/easter-eggs-in-comics-dark-knight-in.html here]]. |
| 242 | * SplitPersonalityTakeover: The Miles Warren personality looks to be well and truly gone: He emerges from his pod having undergone heavy genetic manipulation, effectively bringing his old costume to life. Inverted with Norman, who still possesses the cackling Goblin identity, but is equally monstrous outside of the suit. |
| 243 | * StoryArc: Despite its long duration and convoluted plot, some plotlines can be gleamed from the overall saga: |
| 244 | ** For the first year (1994-1995), there is Kaine's identity (linked to detective Jacob Conover's arrival); the person in Kaine's visions; who is the real Peter and who is the clone. |
| 245 | ** For the second year (1996), there is the Spider-Skeleton for the first half of the year, and lastly the identity of the real mastermind behind the Clone Saga. |
| 246 | * SuperPrototype: Sort of. Kaine was the first Spider-Man clone made, but quickly began suffering from clone degeneration. However, [[CursedWithAwesome this increased his Spider-Sense to the point where it gives him precognition]]. |
| 247 | * TaintedVeins: A sure sign of impending clone death. |
| 248 | * TakingTheBullet: [[spoiler:How Ben dies, leaping in front of the Goblin Glider after Norman tries again to ram the Glider into Peter like he'd tried in ''ComicBook/TheNightGwenStacyDies''.]] |
| 249 | * TakingYouWithMe: In the ''Spider-Man: Redemption'' issues #3-4, Kaine decides to kill himself, taking Ben and Janine with him, by exploding a diner. This fails. |
| 250 | * ThanatosGambit: With his dying breath, the Jackal says, "When the dream ends, the nightmare begins." This activates a hypnotic suggestion in Peter's mind, compelling him to try and murder MJ. |
| 251 | * TookALevelInJerkass: Norman, as exemplified by the mere fact that it's him behind the whole thing in the first place, and not [[SplitPersonality the Green Goblin]]. Years of MindRape against both Ben Reilly and Peter Parker are to be iced off with Osborn bombing every one of Peter's closest non-super friends, partly just for being that and partly because they pissed him off in various ways [[EvilIsPetty (regardless of whether they realised that or not)]], not to mention murdering(?) Peter and Mary Jane's unborn baby and presumably intending to take custody of his grandson Normie (his mum being one of his intended victims) and raising him in [[EvilMentor his own evil image]] after everything is over. He wasn't above killing anyone who got in his way in the process either. His very first act following his reawakening ([[WakingUpAtTheMorgue fresh off the slab]]) is to [[DisposableVagrant kill a drifter]] of similar height and bury the body in his place. |
| 252 | * ToyTime: A non-video game example. ''Amazing Spider-Man'' #413 has Ben Reilly shrunk to toy-size and tossed into a kid's bedroom. Some of the foes he fights are toys. |
| 253 | * TrailersAlwaysSpoil: While the saga didn't have trailers per se, they did have a ton of advertisements and interviews with the creators, letting the public know the clone was coming back. During this time, there was a subplot involving a "mysterious drifter" with a connection to Peter Parker coming to New York who was obviously the clone. When the face of this character was revealed to be Peter Parker, there was a "tune in next time"-style blurb at the end of the issue as if it was supposed to be a big surprise. |
| 254 | * UnexplainedRecovery: During the ComicBook/ScarletSpider story arc ''The Exile Returns'', the female symbiote Scream makes her return, despite apparently dying in the ''ComicBook/{{Venom}}: Lethal Protector'' miniseries where she debuted. Her role in this storyline is in part to help set up the ''Venom: Separation Anxiety'' miniseries, where it is explained how she survived. |
| 255 | * TheUnreveal: The end of the saga left fans wondering if Baby May was actually dead or had just been kidnapped. They were going to go with the former, but the writers were ordered to make it ambiguous (oddly by the very people that didn't want Spider-Man to have a child in the first place). |
| 256 | * VillainKiller: Kaine ended up being this, offing Doc Ock and the Grim Hunter, which causes the other Spider-villains to form a Sinister Seven in order to survive. |
| 257 | * VillainTeamUp: At certain points of the 1990s Clone Saga, some of Spidey's villains team up: |
| 258 | ** In "Mark of Kaine", the Sinister Seven join forces to protect themselves from Kaine. |
| 259 | ** During Ben Reilly's last days as Scarlet Spider, Lady Octopus hires Looter, a villain introduced in the 1960s, as one of her underlings. |
| 260 | ** A storyline in 1996, with Ben as Spider-Man, has Mysterio in a new getup ally himself with new villain Armada. |
| 261 | ** In ''Spider-Man Unlimited'' #12, Jack O'Lantern, Scorpia, Shocker, Boomerang and Beetle go after Ben-as-Spider-Man to get the reward of the Spider-Skeleton. |
| 262 | * VillainousBreakdown: While explaining his plan and intentions to Peter, Norman maintains a rather collected demeanor and keeps his anger in check. When Peter keeps getting up during their fight, however, Norman becomes increasingly unhinged. |
| 263 | * VillainousMedicalCare: In "Back From the Edge" arc, Spider-Man is infected with a deadly virus by the (rejuvenated) [[spoiler: Vulture]] and suffers its symptoms. In the next arc ("Web of Death"), [[spoiler: Dr. Octopus]] finds a fallen Spider-Man on a rooftop and rescues him, taking him to his secret lab. He synthetizes a cure and gives it to Peter, just in time for [[spoiler: him to celebrate a baby on the way with Mary Jane, and Kaine, a failed Spider-Clone, to kill Doc Ock.]] |
| 264 | * WalkingTheEarth: This was Ben Reilly's life between both ''Clone Sagas'': |
| 265 | ** The ''Lost Years'' mini-series depicted Ben Reilly's time on the road, most specifically in Salt Lake City, where he also met Kaine. |
| 266 | ** An issue of ''Spider-Man Team-Up'' had Ben (as the New Spider-Man) and Gambit face against a crime lord in New York, and flashbacks show Ben got mixed up with said crime lord in New Orléans, while he wandered through America. |
| 267 | ** His wanderings come to an end when he gets news of Aunt May's hospitalization, and makes his way to New York (as depicted in the issues leading up to the beginning of the ''Clone Saga'' in 1994). |
| 268 | * WeAreAsMayflies: There's no telling how long clone denigration will take; like the mini-Jackal says, "It may take a few weeks -- a few months -- a few decades." |
| 269 | * WeCanRuleTogether: The Jackal pitches this idea to Peter, who is already distraught over finding out that he's a clone. An ambiguous remark by the Jackal ("Couldn't have planned it better myself... or did I?") suggests, in hindsight, that he knew the test results were false. |
| 270 | * WestCoastTeam: As Ben was being groomed to take the Spider-Man mantle, Peter made preparations to transfer to another newspaper in Portland. The plan was for Peter, his journey now complete, to [[RidingIntoTheSunset ride into the sunset]] with MJ and their new baby. Later, this was modified to Peter (still officially the clone by this point) self-exiling himself after his brainwashing in "Time Bomb", to protect his loved ones. Neither scenario took off. A workaround was developed with Kaine--the only surviving clone from the series--who settled in Houston and decided to try his hand at crime-fighting. Due to a wardrobe malfunction (really), the news media colloquially referred to him as a "Scarlet Spider" and the name stuck. Ironically for a character created as a more idealistic version of the modern Spider-Man, Kaine is [[TheCowl very nearly a villain himself]], and treats his job as trash collecting rather than some lofty pursuit. |
| 271 | ** Also, it was proposed that Ben have his own spin-off title. He ended up helming the ''Scarlet Spider'' books, but Marvel was in the midst of cancelling most of their spinoff books because they felt it was splitting the fanbase and costing them money. |
| 272 | * WhyWontYouDie: After the part where Peter removes his and Norman's masks, Norman finally asks this. |
| 273 | -->'''Norman:''' I had you unconscious--at my mercy! How could this have happened? Why won't you just die?!\ |
| 274 | '''Peter:''' Because then you would win. And I'll '''never''' give you that satisfaction. |
| 275 | * WitchWithACapitalB: In ''The Final Adventure'', Peter's inner caption says his colleague Dr. Staphos "rhymes with witch". |
| 276 | * TheWorfEffect: Doctor Octopus got killed by Kaine to enforce the idea of Kaine being a badass. [[DeathIsCheap Death in comics being what it is]], Doctor Octopus recovers. |
| 277 | ** Earlier, Venom was beaten by Ben to establish Ben as a superhero in his own right. Downplayed in that it look him considerably more effort to take down Venom than the few moments it took Kaine to snap the neck of a captive Doc Ock. |
| 278 | * XanatosSpeedChess: Per ''The Osborn Journal'', not every tragedy that happened to Peter and Mary Jane (e.g., Aunt May's collapse) in the interregnum between both ''Clone Sagas'' was Norman's doing, but, as he admitted in his journal, some events played into his long game and he took advantage of them. |
| 279 | -->"I gathered my operatives to begin my revenge against Parker in '''earnest''', and it seemed like the Fates decided to work in my '''favor''' from then on. (...) Nonetheless, I was able to '''adapt''' to the situation and '''revise''' my strategy against Parker." |
| 280 | [[/folder]] |
| 281 | |
| 282 | [[folder:Ultimate Clone Saga]] |
| 283 | * AdaptationDistillation: It manages to wrap in most of the elements of the original in ''some'' form, as well as nods to other classic Spider-Man characters or stories along the way like the Scorpion and the idea that Peter's parents were alive, but it takes less than 10 issues and leaves very little hanging. |
| 284 | * AllThereInTheManual: [[spoiler:The identity of the disfigured clone that kidnaps MJ was confirmed to be Kaine in the ''Ultimate Secrets'' one-shot. The same one-shot confirms the six-armed clone to be Tarantula. Bendis on his message board stated the MJ-Goblin was Ultimate Demogoblin]]. |
| 285 | * AlternateContinuity: It's set in the [[ComicBook/UltimateMarvel Ultimate Universe]]. |
| 286 | * CivvieSpandex: Peter spends most of the story in street clothes. |
| 287 | * CensorSteam: [[spoiler:Applied to both MJ/Demogoblin and Gwen-Carnage at various points]]. |
| 288 | * CloneDegeneration: [[spoiler:The Richard clone dies this way.]] |
| 289 | * CompositeCharacter: |
| 290 | ** Ultimate Spider-Woman was given the name Jessica Drew à la the original version, her costume is based on the one wore by Julia Carpenter/Spider-Woman II/Arachne, and the red highlight stem from Ben Reilly's Scarlet Spider costume [[spoiler:The latter is kinda fitting as this incarnation is basically a {{Gender Flip}}ped version of Ben Reilly.]] Ultimate Kaine is wearing a messed-up version of Ben's Spider-Man costume. [[spoiler: The MJ-Goblin creature is Ultimate Demogoblin.]] |
| 291 | ** While one of the clones is identified as Tarantula, his spider-like features and six arms bring to mind the "sort of" Spidey clone [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppelganger_(comics) Doppelganger]]. |
| 292 | * EvilKnockoff: [[spoiler:Scorpion and Tarantula are actual Spider-Man clones here. And, of course, there's Kaine.]] |
| 293 | * ILetGwenStacyDie: [[spoiler:This time, via Carnage.]]. |
| 294 | * MythologyGag: |
| 295 | ** Ultimate Kaine wears a tattered version of Ben Reilly's Spider-Man costume. |
| 296 | ** Tarantula [[spoiler:has six arms à la the classic six-armed Spider-Man story.]] |
| 297 | ** Richard Parker resembles 616-Peter as drawn by John Romita, right down to his distinctive hairstyle. Both a nice nod and [[spoiler:meaningful, as he's an aged-up clone of Ultimate Peter.]] |
| 298 | * OppositeSexClone: [[spoiler:Ultimate Spider-Woman is a female clone of Spider-Man]]. |
| 299 | * TrailersAlwaysSpoil: One of the solicitations for Ultimate Clone Saga featured a cover revealing Doctor Octopus as the BigBad. |
| 300 | * WhatTheHellHero: |
| 301 | ** [[spoiler:Peter and Aunt May give this to each other: May gives this to Peter for being Spider-Man, and Peter gives it to May for hiding that she believed Richard was still alive.]] |
| 302 | ** Nick Fury gets this, courtesy from Mary Jane and the Fantastic Four, for his intent to lock Peter away and how far he was willing to go for it. |
| 303 | * YoungerThanTheyLook: [[spoiler:The Richard Parker that appears in this story is another Peter clone.]] |
| 304 | [[/folder]] |
| 305 | |
| 306 | [[folder:2009–2010 Miniseries]] |
| 307 | * AdaptationDistillation: It simplifies the story and removes characters like Seward Trainer, Spidercide, Judas Traveller, Grim Hunter, and the Scriers at least. |
| 308 | * AdaptedOut: Several characters including Seward Trainer, Spidercide, Judas Traveller, Grim Hunter, and the Scriers were removed. |
| 309 | * AlternateContinuity: [[spoiler:Norman Osborn's still dead; Harry faked his death and is the mastermind; Dr. Octopus doesn't die, there's no Seward Trainer, Gaunt, or Spidercide; Ben Reilly meets his supporting cast during his Spidey tenure while he's still the Scarlet Spider; and outside of Harry getting locked up and the Norman clone dying, everyone lives happily ever after. Even the backstory was altered, having Aunt May's hospitalization changed from being a stroke to a virus and Peter not suffering a breakdown.]] |
| 310 | * CameBackWrong: [[spoiler:Harry believes this to be the case with the Norman clone, who ended up a MorallySuperiorCopy who wants to spare the baby and end the feud before anyone else gets hurt.]] |
| 311 | * CivvieSpandex: The Scarlet Spider once again wearing a hoodie as part of his costume. |
| 312 | * CloneAngst: Again, it is a version of the Clone Saga, so this is expected between Ben and Kaine, who like in the original, lament their status as clones. [[spoiler:Averted with the Norman clone, whose lamentations revolve around the person the original Norman's actions turned Harry into.]] |
| 313 | * CloneDegeneration: [[spoiler:Kaine again, though Jackal does try to find a serum to cure it and Dr. Octopus later completes it.]] |
| 314 | * CompressedAdaptation: While the original was going to span six months and ended up spanning a few years, it was also planned to span across four titles. Here, it tries to cram all of it into six issues of a single series. |
| 315 | * DeathByAdaptation: [[spoiler:Norman Osborn is still dead in this version.]] |
| 316 | * EvilKnockoff: [[spoiler:Kaine]] is an evil clone of Spiderman. |
| 317 | * FakingTheDead: [[spoiler:In this version of events, Harry does this so he could prepare for his plans here.]] |
| 318 | * HeelRealization: [[spoiler:Kaine realizes what Harry wants is wrong and delivers the baby back to MJ. The Norman clone also realizes Harry's mad and decided to end the feud, encouraging Kaine's returning the baby.]] |
| 319 | * HeroicSacrifice: [[spoiler:The Norman clone leaps between Peter and the Goblin Glider, similar to how Ben in the '90s story did, to save Peter's life -- and thus die the same way the original Norman did.]] |
| 320 | * MorallySuperiorCopy: [[spoiler:The Norman clone ends up being this to the original Osborn, horrified by the monster the original's actions warped Harry into being and doing everything he can to stop Harry, even performing a HeroicSacrifice to save Peter.]] |
| 321 | * MythologyGag: [[spoiler:How the Norman clone dies, taking the blades of the Goblin Glider intended for Peter, both to the '90s story ended with Ben dying to save Peter and --though [[HeroicSacrifice the context is different]] -- [[BackstabBackfire how Norman died]] in ''ComicBook/TheNightGwenStacyDied'', doubling as a CallBack to ''that'' story.]] |
| 322 | * SeriesFauxnale: The mini-series works as an open-ended one for the Spider-Man saga. [[spoiler: The Osborn/Parker feud is resolved, at least for now, with Harry incarcerated, Aunt May is still alive, and Peter and Mary Jane are parents with Peter presumably semi-retired, and Ben opts to leave New York behind and resume life on the road. There is room for new stories down the road should Marvel choose to tell them]]. |
| 323 | * SparedByTheAdaptation: [[spoiler:Ben Reilly and baby May survive the story. Granted, Doctor Octopus did come BackFromTheDead and Aunt May was retconned into having been replaced and never having actually died, but they could count, too, since their returns were after "The Clone Saga" ended.]] |
| 324 | * TakeThat: When first announced, fans believed the series would take the place of the 1990s Clone Saga and explain how things went down in the wake of the revised history brought about by ''One More Day'' with Peter and MJ unmarried. What they got instead was [[spoiler: a series that honoured the Spider-Marriage and provided many a jaded reader with a happy ending for the Parkers and a potential jumping-off point if they were no longer satisfied with the direction of the main book, which would carry onward with an unmarried Peter.]] |
| 325 | ** The Trade Paperback of the mini-series is called "The REAL Clone Saga" |
| 326 | ** In the last issue, Harry refers to his battles with Spider-Man as being like an addictive dance, describing the sensation as being "like the Macarena, only cool." |
| 327 | * TakingTheBullet: [[spoiler: This time, it's a clone of Norman who takes the Goblin Glider for Peter.]] |
| 328 | [[/folder]] |
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