Line #19 ComicBook/AvengersForever


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2	[[caption-width-right:350:[[ConquerorFromTheFuture Kang]] and [[GuardianOfTheMultiverse Immortus]], in their forever struggle]]
3	->'''[[ConquerorFromTheFuture Kang]]:''' History is not written, scholar, and neither is destiny! History is '''made'''! Made by the deeds of the strong and the brave! And destiny is forged! The historians, the students, the gray-beards - They come in the wake of the strong, and write down what the brave have done. But it is the conquerors who change the world, and it will always, '''always''', be thus!
4	->'''[[GuardianOfTheMultiverse Immortus]]:''' Conquerors are swept up in destiny's tides as surely as anyone else, Kang. And the scholars see the patterns, the truth. I have learned this, and you will, too, in time.
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6	''Avengers Forever'' is a twelve-issue comic book limited series of ''ComicBook/TheAvengers'' published from December 1998 to November 1999 by Marvel Comics. The series was written by Creator/KurtBusiek and Creator/RogerStern and drawn by Carlos Pacheco and Jesus Merino. It has a massively complex plot, with a battle between ComicBook/KangTheConqueror (a ConquerorFromTheFuture) and Immortus (a GuardianOfTheMultiverse); actually, Immortus is the future self of Kang.
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8	Let's try to make it short. Rick Jones suffers a strange paralysis, and the Avengers send him to the Supreme Intelligence of the Kree (who's held "captive" at the Blue Area of the Moon), to see if he could heal him. Immortus tries to kill Rick Jones, but Kang intervenes on his behalf. Rick Jones, with the help of Libra, uses the "Destiny Force" once more, an all-powerful force he once wielded during ComicBook/TheKreeSkrullWar, summons several Avengers from many points of time: [[Comicbook/AntMan Henry Pym]] and Comicbook/TheWasp (from the present), Yellowjacket (Henry Pym when he had a mental disorder; yes, he summoned the same man from 2 time periods), Comicbook/CaptainAmerica (right after the Secret Empire storyline, demoralized by it and on the verge of giving up the superhero thing), Comicbook/{{Hawkeye}} (right after the Kree-Skrull War) & Songbird and ComicBook/{{Captain Marvel\|MarvelComics}} (Genis-Vell) (from two separate future times). The fight moves to Chronopolis, Kang's stronghold: Immortus destroyed it and turned it into the "Forever Crystal", which allows him to change timelines or destroy them at will.
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10	The Avengers use Kang's time machine to escape into the timestream, where Immortus would not locate Rick. Not knowing what Immortus is up to, or why he wants to kill Jones, the Avengers explore 3 points of time, to no avail. Then, they visit Limbo, Immortus' stronghold, and take a Space Phantom captive. They then learn Immortus' motives: with the "Destiny Force", humanity would become a ruthless intergalactic empire. Immortus spent years [[TheChessmaster manipulating human development]] to keep humanity confined to planet Earth, to keep the Time Keepers from destroying it, but Rick Jones' death was non-negotiable. Immortus then captures the Avengers and sends them to a trial.
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12	The Time Keepers decide that humanity is a menace and that they should destroy most of the timelines, leaving the bare minimum needed to guarantee their own existence. Reinforced by Kang, Rick, and the Supreme Intelligence, the Avengers follow the Time Keepers to the end of time, where they are finally destroyed.
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14	For the 2021 series, see [[ComicBook/AvengersForever2021 here]].
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16	!!''Avengers Forever'' provides examples of:
17	* AbortedArc: Both Songbird and Genis-Vell are from the near future, where they are (unlike in the present day) members of the Avengers. Since Kurt Busiek was writing the main ''[[ComicBook/TheAvengers Avengers]]'' book at the time, it seemed that he would eventually introduce Songbird and Genis into the Avengers roster there, with the present day catching up with their future. But this never happened, and none of the later Avengers writers have chosen to follow up on Busiek's {{foreshadowing}} either. (In 2015, 616-Songbird finally became a member of the ''Comicbook/{{New Avengers\|2015}}'', but even though the writer of that book Creator/AlEwing is very big on ContinuityPorn, Songbird eventually left the team without Ewing having made any references to this story.) Genis is even harder to reconcile with Busiek's depiction here, as the following years saw him lose his connection to [[spoiler: Rick Jones]], change his superhero name to Photon (with the Captain Marvel title later passing to Comicbook/CarolDanvers, who has used it since 2012) and ultimately get KilledOffForReal during a ''Comicbook/{{Thunderbolts}}'' storyline, all without ever officially becoming an Avenger.
18	* AnimalEyes: The older Comicbook/BlackPanther that Cap and Giant-Man encounter in one of the {{Bad Future}}s has eyes like an actual jungle cat.
19	* ArcWelding: From over ''thirty'' years of Kang and Immortus appearances, tied together to make a (mostly) coherent (if headache inducing) sense, including stuff from ''Comicbook/SilverSurfer'', ''[[Comicbook/TheMightyThor Thor]]'', ''Guardians of the Galaxy'', ''Comicbook/WestCoastAvengers'', ''Comicbook/TheCelestialMadonnaSaga'', ''Operation: Galactic Storm'', and ''The Crossing''.
20	* ArmyOfTheAges: Kang's and Immortus' armies.
21	* BadFuture:
22	** It [[DownerBeginning begins]] with one. Earth and humanity become TheEmpire of the Universe, and the Avengers are the PraetorianGuard as humanity carves a campaign of subjugation across the cosmos.
23	** Also, the one visited by Giant Man and Captain America, the "Literature/WarOfTheWorlds" previously associated with Comicbook/{{Killraven}} and the Comicbook/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy.
24	* BeethovenWasAnAlienSpy: In this case, Richard Nixon has been replaced by a Skrull. He had already been discovered, and the men in black were going to deal with him; but Immortus simply erases the whole timeline as a result. He couldn't risk humanity arming against enemies from the stars.
25	* BittersweetEnding:
26	** The Avengers are ultimately victorious and the Time-Keepers are defeated. However, they're each sent back to their respective timelines with no memory of the incident, and in some cases, where they end up is quite dark. Captain America gets it especially bad, as not only is he still traumatized by having just witnessed Number One's suicide, but now he also has the lingering subconscious anguish of realizing he could have used the Forever Crystal to prevent it.
27	** In Black Panther's future, the vast majority of the human race has been wiped out, and Wakanda lies in ruins. However, the Martians have successfully been driven off the planet, Jocasta has safely given birth to her baby, and now the survivors can begin rebuilding their society.
28	* BroadStrokes: Despite all the ContinuityPorn on display, there are a few tidbits that can't be spelled out directly. A panel showing Comicbook/DoctorOctopus escaping prison with Comicbook/LexLuthor in tow from ''ComicBook/SupermanVsTheAmazingSpiderMan'' is mentioned in the annotations as being Doc Ock and a "[[LawyerFriendlyCameo striking-looking bald man]]."
29	* ButYouWereThereAndYouAndYou: When Songbird returns to the future, with a vague memory of the Destiny War. She meets with the Wasp and Jack of Hearts, and tells the Wasp that "you were there".
30	* CallBack:
31	** In ''[[ComicBook/{{Maestro}} Future Imperfect]]'', [[spoiler:a much older version of Rick Jones]] maintains a memorial room featuring the costumes, gadgets and weapons of the many heroes and villains who died in the [[WorldWarIII nuclear holocaust]] that wiped out most of humanity. Here, a less aged version of the same character wears an outfit made up from parts of other heroes, including Comicbook/GhostRider's jacket, Comicbook/DoctorStrange's Eye of Agamotto and Comicbook/TheFalcon's boots.
32	** The '50s Avengers are based on an old issue of ''What If...?'' that explored a world where the Avengers were founded by 3-D Man and a bunch of Atlas Comics (Marvel's predecessor) characters like Marvel Boy, Gorilla Man, Venus and the Human Robot. A canonical version of this team would later be introduced as the ''Comicbook/AgentsOfAtlas''.
33	** Hawkeye's team wanders through the events of ''Avengers'' vol 1. issues 142-143. Songbird has to keep telling him and Yellowjacket not to worry about what they're seeing, because it all works out.
34	* TheCameo: A ton of them, but one of the most notable instances would be the presence of Marvel U.K. characters Motormouth and Killpower during the final battle.
35	* TheChosenOne: Rick Jones.
36	* {{Chronoscope}}: There are several here and there. The sensors of the time machine, Immortus' machines in Limbo, the visions that appear when entering Limbo, images summoned by the Time-Keepers, and so on.
37	* CoolShip: The Avengers commandeering Kang's TimeMachine (which takes the form of a Sphinx) as their temporary headquarters.
38	* CompositeCharacter: The appendix notes that while Mourning Prey's insect children were already existing characters prior to this series, their depiction in issue #6 more closely resembles Jakarra, a Wakandan who was mutated by exposure to vibranium in Creator/JackKirby's ''Black Panther'' run.
39	* ContinuityNod: Plenty. Not for nothing the collected edition comes with an appendix, because it ''needs'' it.
40	** Rick Jones starts the series paralyzed due to having been injured in Creator/PeterDavid's ''Comicbook/TheIncredibleHulk'' run. The Supreme Intelligence is also now imprisoned by Comicbook/{{SHIELD}} on the Blue Area of the Moon as a result of the then-recent ''Live Kree or Die'' crossover.
41	** While time-traveling, the team witness the Avengers' first run in with Immortus, which none of them remember because the events of it gave them LaserGuidedAmnesia.
42	** One of the glimpses the team gets of Immortus' machinations is him having some part to play in Major Victory meeting Vance Astrovik and diverging their timelines.
43	** Kang's flashbacks in issue #9 cover all the major events he's been through, including his run-in with Doctor Doom in ''Fantastic Four'' annual #2. Rama-Tut's weird behavior there is acknowledged as him playing to Doom's ego. His involvement in the events of ''Infinity War'' are explained as being sheer boredom.
44	** As an explanation of what he did while bored, Kang flashes back to the battle between Tempus and Alioth, seen at the end of ''The Terminatrix Objective''. Kang broke their stalemate, setting Alioth on the TVA. It's also implied he killed Revelation, Ravonna's future counterpart from that series.
45	** In Limbo, Jan hears several soundbites from her and Hank's long and fraught history. Hawkeye sees statues of his past and future outfits. Songbird is tormented by the ghosts of friends and loved ones, including her crappy parents and her dead partner, Angar the Screamer.
46	* ContinuityPorn:
47	** Kurt Busiek lets loose with his full knowledge of Avengers lore.
48	-->'''Hawkeye:''' Well, I'm glad ''you'' understand it, tall-socks. Alla this divergent stuff, it's givin' me a migraine!
49	-->'''Space Phantom:''' I would not expect one such as you to understand the byzantine schemes of Immortus, archer...
50	** The final battle in issues #11-12 features a clash between two armies of Avengers from across the Multiverse, with the appendix listing where they all come from in exhaustive detail. Characters from various sources like ''Comicbook/WhatIf'', ''[[Comicbook/MarvelComics2 A-Next]]'', ''Comicbook/EarthX'', ''Comicbook/SpiderMan2099'' and even the ''WesternAnimation/TheAvengersUnitedTheyStand'' cartoon all make appearances.
51	* DealWithTheDevil: One is made between Yellowjacket and Immortus. It's even described as such by both parties.
52	* DeathByIrony:
53	** Averted. The Time-Keepers try to give one to Kang: as they can't kill him without creating a temporal paradox (he has to live on to become their servant Immortus, whom they had just killed), they seek to punish him and neutralize him as a threat by speeding up his transformation and turn him into Immortus right there. But they can't, Kang's will is just too strong and he remains Kang.
54	** Also for the Time-Keepers themselves. They're defeated by the indomitable human drive, the very thing they tried to destroy.
55	* DeliberateValuesDissonance: On full display with the '50s Avengers, who are more concerned with the threat of commies and pinkos than, oh, alien infiltration (or worse, ''alien commie pinkos'').
56	* DevelopmentGag: The final issue features alternate universe versions of Wasp, Iron Cross, Thor, and [[Comicbook/TheIncredibleHercules Hercules]] who sport their designs from ''Avengers: World in Chains'', the rejected Avengers project Kurt Busiek and Carlos Pacheo had pitched before ''Avengers Forever''.
57	* DidYouActuallyBelieve:
58	** Much of the Space Phantom's reaction in #8 to how he and his kind can't believe the Avengers actually bought so many of the wild stories and plans Immortus pulled off.
59	** Averted when Hank Pym hears it was Immortus, not Kang, in ''The Crossing'' and muses "that means Immortus caused my breakdowns."
60	-->'''Space Phantom:''' No one caused your breakdowns, Henry Pym. We lied to you. We thought it more convincing to back it up with a lie you wanted to believe.
61	* DisproportionateRetribution: The prologue gives a good indication of how awful the human empire is when they wipe out 34% of the Alpha Centurian race just because twelve of them are with the resistance.
62	* DroppedABridgeOnHim: Ravonna, and indeed all the inhabitants of Chronopolis, are killed offscreen and then crushed down into the Forever Crystal by Immortus. All but one of the Anarchronauts, Kang's QuirkyMinibossSquad are also killed.
63	* EnemyMine: The Avengers fight alongside Kang, Libra and the Supreme Intelligence.
64	* EnemyWithout: Yellowjacket for Giant Man. He's the same man, Henry Pym, but lives in denial.
65	* EvilKnockoff: The main army of the evil empire in the future is comprised of evil Avengers knock-offs, with Captain Americas, Iron Men, Thors (whose hammers, mercifully, pack less punch than Mjolnir), Ant-Men and Visions.
66	* ExpendableAlternateUniverse: Averted. The casual destruction of alternate timelines is not just an undesirable thing, it's the very thing that the Avengers are fighting to prevent. Wasp is horrified when she witnesses the destruction of timeline the [[spoiler:'50s Avengers come from.]]
67	* FaceHeelTurn: [[spoiler:Yellowjacket.]]
68	* FishOutOfTemporalWater: Hawkeye's from the Avengers' 70s exploits, so he's a little befuddled by some things, as opposed to a more modern Hawkeye, who'd take things in stride.
69	* FreudianTrio:
70	** TheMcCoy: Hawkeye.
71	** TheKirk: The Wasp.
72	** TheSpock: Libra.
73	* FutureMeScaresMe:
74	** Taken up to eleven with Immortus and Kang, respectively. Here, "Future me is the single being I hate the most in all the multiverse."
75	** It also counts, in a lower degree, for Yellowjacket towards Giant-Man. [[spoiler:It gets so bad he makes a deal with Immortus that would allow him to stay as Yellowjacket.]]
76	* HeelFaceTurn:
77	** The future version of Songbird has fully completed her reformation and become an official member of the Avengers. Giant-Man, who only knows her as a member of the Thunderbolts and the Masters of Evil during his time, initially doesn't trust her.
78	** Former Zodiac member Libra assists the heroes, claiming that he lost interest in crime as time went on and became more interested in studying the concept of balance.
79	** Iron Man's old nemesis Crimson Dynamo ([[LegacyCharacter or at least someone wearing his armor]]) is part of Black Panther's future Avengers team. The group also includes Thundra, who, while not strictly a villain, has battled various Marvel heroes and usually cares more about her own personal agenda than the greater good.
80	* HeelRealization: When [[spoiler:Yellowjacket]] realizes the ultimate plan of the Time-Keepers, he declines his deal with Immortus and silently calls in the cavalry.
81	* HeroOfAnotherStory: The various characters the Avengers encounter while traveling through the timeline. Of note, Captain America and Giant-Man arrive in Black Panther's future at the tail end of a bloody, years long conflict with Martian invaders. Songbird also notes that she, Yellowjacket and Hawkeye have arrived in Tombstone just in time for a wholly unrelated battle between Kang and some of Marvel's old cowboy heroes like the Rawhide Kid and Kid Colt.
82	* HistoricalDomainCrossover: During the final battle, the Time Keepers summon all evil and destructive Avengers from the past, present and future. Rick Jones reinforces the goods guys by using the Destiny Force to summon ''every other Avenger'' from all the myriad timelines.
83	* HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct: With the Forever Crystal, Captain America could have changed history. And not simply creating an alternate timeline, the Crystal allows him to actually change history. He could have erased Nazi Germany from history and prevented World War II (as well as resurrecting Rick Jones, Bucky and erasing the Secret Empire from U.S. history), he's tempted by the idea, but realizes that RealityWarpingIsNotAToy.
84	* HoistByTheirOwnPetard: Tempus tries zapping Hawkeye with a devolution ray, to turn him into primordial sludge. In the process, it chronologically reverts Clint back to his Goliath days, meaning Clint can fight the big guy on more even terms.
85	* HumansAreTheRealMonsters: The motivation of the Time Keepers. Nothing stops the march of the First Terran Empire, as no race in the universe proves to be a match for the human drive or the power of the Destiny Force.
86	* {{Hypocrite}}: The Time-Keepers are out to prevent humankind becoming an oppressive empire, because they've seen all those bad futures where it happens. All well and good, until the Avengers ask how many universe it happens in. Turns out that it's not even 42% of all realities. Meanwhile, there's all those realities where the eggs that become the Time-Keepers become the Time-Corrupters. As the Avengers point out, by that logic, the Keepers should be after themselves.
87	* ImposterForgotOneDetail: In the Old West, Hawkeye, Yellowjacket and Songbird meet with the Black Rider, Reno Jones, and Kid Cassidy, who talk on learning of their adventure from telegrams from the Two-Gun Kid, who'd they met earlier. They agree to pool resources, Hawkeye smiling as he shakes Cassidy's hand, noting how "I never thought I'd be meeting the real Kid Cassidy...especially considering by 1873, he was dead!" The Avengers swiftly subdue the "cowboys" who turn out to be the Space Phantoms.
88	* InSpiteOfANail: The Time-Keepers wanted to prevent the existence of the sons of the Comicbook/ScarletWitch, but Immortus tried to do so without killing anyone. He arranged things that prompted her romance and marriage with Comicbook/TheVision, as he reasoned that she could not have any children if she was married to a machine. But ''"Immortus is not infallible, and destiny requires careful handling: it does not like to be thwarted"''. Using magic, the Scarlet Witch had sons anyway, so Immortus had to help Comicbook/{{Mephisto}} to vanish them from existence.
89	* InternalHomage: Captain Marvel saves Rick Jones' life, fusing himself with him, in the same manner than the original Captain Marvel did at ComicBook/TheKreeSkrullWar.
90	* IWarnedYou: At the beginning of hyper-complex ContinuityPorn that is issue #8:
91	-->'''The Wasp:''' Tell us what's going on, then. Why is Immortus trying to kill Rick? What does this have to do with the path of human destiny? What are we up against?
92	-->'''Space Phantom:''' It's...it's complicated.
93	* {{Jerkass}}: Yellowjacket is Hank Pym in the middle of a serious mental breakdown, spending a lot of his time being a bad-tempered chauvinistic ass.
94	* LawyerFriendlyCameo: In a single panel, there's the presence of Thorion, from the Comicbook/AmalgamUniverse, which is an amalgamation of Thor with [[ComicBook/NewGods Orion]]. He's shown only partially and not named, as Marvel shares ownership over him by Creator/DCComics, as with all the other characters from the Amalgam Universe. A pic can be seen in [[https://comicvine.gamespot.com/thorion/4005-48661/ Thorion's page at Comicvine]].
95	* LetsYouAndHimFight: That old superhero stable comes up with Wasp and Genis meeting the Avengers of the 1950s. 3-D Man overheard Wasp saying that Nixon ''has'' to get to China, and comes to the conclusion the two are filthy Commie spies, and refuses to let Wasp explain what's going on. A belligerent Genis starts a fight. It's not until Marvel Boy uses his telepathy to read her mind that he learns what's up.
96	* LostAesop: Everything was set in motion because, in the future, humanity may become TheEmpire. As things go on, the Time Keepers become the villains of the story, then they die and everything is right again. But...what about those bad futures? What's preventing them from coming to pass? A mere lecture from Captain America and that's it? At least they could have used the Forever Crystal to erase the "Destiny Force" from the human race. Potentially justified as meddling with the timestream in that manner is exactly what the Avengers had just condemned the Time-Keepers for in the first place, and the odds are still in favor of the bad futures ''not'' coming to pass.
97	* LoveTranscendsSpacetime: [[spoiler:Songbird and Captain Marvel]]
98	* MamaBear: Mourning Prey, the insect creature that the future Avengers encounter in the remains of Wakanda's vibranium mines. She initially appears to be hostile, but turns out to only be protecting her babies.
99	* MeaningfulEcho: Captain Marvel has two big secrets that he's isn't telling: [[spoiler:That he was bound to an older Rick Jones, and that he loves Songbird; but this one was from before that.]] In both cases, he delivers some lines here and there that hint at these things.
100	* NiceJobFixingItVillain: Immortus had to make the Avengers return to Earth immediately after "Operation: Galactic Storm", so he influenced the Avengers with xenophobia, so that they refused to stay among alien races. He miscalculated: this xenophobia led them to execute the Supreme Intelligence for destroying its own empire (long story). And worse: this would begin actions that laid the first steps of the Avengers Stellar Corps, the antecedent of the First Terran Empire...the very timeline that Immortus was instructed to prevent!
101	* NoodleIncident:
102	** Genis comes from after a time when he'd prevented Ego from using Eon's corpse for a nefarious scheme.
103	** Exactly how does [[spoiler:future Rick Jones]] end up losing an arm and wearing an outfit that includes Ghost Rider's jacket, Falcon's boots, [[spoiler:ComicBook/{{Superman}}'s cape, and Batman's utility belt?]] The world may never know.
104	* NoSell: Marvel Boy tries blasting Genis with a beam of light, but for someone who's used to more cosmic matters, and knows the Quantum Bands better than he does, it doesn't do squat.
105	* NotSoAboveItAll:
106	** The Time-Keepers are not gods. They are beings, just [[SufficientlyAdvancedAlien Sufficiently Advanced Aliens]] with great technology, but just technology, which may be countered by other technology.
107	** Also for Kang. In his place of greatest strength, backed by all his armies, he fights against his most hated enemy, for the highest stakes he could conceive...and loses.
108	* OrderVersusChaos: Immortus is firmly on the side of preserving universal stability and order, while Kang wants to preserve his freedom at the cost of bringing down the multiversal timeline like a house of cards.
109	-->'''Kang:''' He calls himself the Master of Time! Faugh! "Gardener of Time" is more truthful! He prunes away the chronal branches deemed by others to be dangerous---reducing reality to a bloodless meadow! But such is not the way of warriors--of men! I say let it be a forest! Let it be a jungle! Let it be something we must strive against and conquer whatever comes! Fight it! Kill it! Crush it!
110	* PsychologicalTormentZone: Limbo is designed to mess with the psyches of anyone who enters. Then it turns them into Space Phantoms.
111	* PregnantBadass: Jocasta is one of the few surviving Avengers in Black Panther's future, and is pregnant to boot.
112	* RaceLift: The Old Skull of ''ComicBook/{{Killraven}}'' was unmistakably a white guy. The version Cap's team encounters in their time travel jaunt is a black man.
113	* ReedRichardsIsUseless: Deconstructed. Someone might wonder, with all the fancy technology available in the Marvel universe, which includes ships capable of going to other galaxies, why does Earth still has the overall technological level of the real world? Answer: Because Immortus, GuardianOfTheMultiverse, is arranging things to stay that way until mankind's technology does not outstrip its moral judgments.
114	* TheRemnant: In the BadFuture, humanity has been reduced to a mere fifty thousand people, thanks to the Martians.
115	* {{Retcon}}:
116	** A lot of this story is basically damage control for ''ComicBook/TheCrossing'', revealing that it was Immortus and not Kang who was the main villain, that ComicBook/IronMan was only under Immortus's control since the events of ''ComicBook/OperationGalacticStorm'' (and that Iron Man leading half of the Avengers to kill the Kree Supreme Intelligence was an attempt to keep the Avengers out of intergalactic affairs that [[NiceJobFixingItVillain backfired]]) and not since the Avengers first fought Kang; the "[[Characters/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyModern Mantis]]" who worked with "Kang", Moonraker (who claimed to be Mantis's father, Libra) and many other of his minions were Space Phantoms; and that Kang didn't cause [[ComicBook/AntMan Hank Pym]]'s breakdowns.
117	** Also retcons the idea that the Space Phantoms were aliens from a planet called Phantus. They're really [[spoiler:anyone who gets stranded in Limbo long enough for their identity to erode away, turning them into identityless shapeshifters.]][[note]]This has since been ''ret-''retconned, and now the Space Phantoms are actually the Dire Wraiths that Comicbook/RomSpaceknight exiled to Limbo. Rom's "Limbo" had previously been said to be a totally separate dimension that shared a name with Immortus's realm, but now they're officially one and the same. Well, DependingOnTheWriter, anyway.[[/note]]
118	* RetGone: The timeline visited by the Wasp and Captain Marvel is erased by Immortus.
119	* RidiculouslyHumanRobots: The Jocasta Cap and Giant-Man meet in the bad future has managed to become pregnant by her reality's Machine Man.
120	* ScrewDestiny: All this was because the indomitable warrior Kang, as a time traveler, knows that he will eventually become Immortus, a scholar who relies on manipulation and schemes. He hates the idea, fights against the universe to prevent himself from becoming Immortus...and wins.
121	* SelectiveObliviousness:
122	** Don't tell Yellowjacket that it's pointless for him to hate Henry Pym, that he ''is'' Henry Pym: he will deny any relation whatsoever with him.
123	** Back in ComicBook/TheCelestialMadonnaSaga, Kang denied that Immortus was his future self. Not anymore. He accepts as a fact of life that Immortus ''is'' him; but he still hates him more than anything else, and refuses to let himself become him.
124	* SequelHook: Several.
125	** While talking about the threat humanity poses, the Time Keepers mention "the mechanations of the Infinites." They appear in the ''Avengers: Infinity'' miniseries.
126	** After the heroes win, Kang [[HesBack regains his zest for life and conquest]] and leaves to rebuild his empire. This will be followed up in ''ComicBook/TheKangDynasty''.
127	** After everyone else leaves, the Supreme Intelligence summons the Forever Crystal. This was followed up on in the ''Maximum Security'' event.
128	* ShoutOut:
129	** On arrival in the BadFuture, a street sign can be glimpses saying "Wells Street". As in H.G. Wells, who wrote ''War of the Worlds''.
130	** 3-D Man quips that unlike a certain ''[[ComicBook/{{Superman}} other]]'' superhero popular in the '50s, he can't duck into a phone booth to change identities.
131	* SomeoneToRememberHimBy: Machine Man was killed during the war with the Martian invaders, but Jocasta carries his child. Giant-Man is fascinated by the idea that two machines could produce an offspring in this manner.
132	* SpottingTheThread:
133	** Hawkeye, Yellowjacket and Songbird have a run in with some Western heroes, and have a nice campfire with them. Then Hawkeye quite suddenly punches one of them, because thanks to his in-depth knowledge of the era, he knows they're dead by that point. It's actually a bunch of Space Phantoms.
134	** Before that, all three Avengers had realized there was no way someone in 1873 could afford to put so much information on Kang in telegrams.
135	** Shortly thereafter, Yellowjacket notes Songbird suddenly knows an awful lot of specific detail about how Kang's base works, and cold-cocks her. Because she's actually a Space Phantom.
136	* TakeThat: One of the evil alternate universe Avengers who shows up to fight Kang in issue #12 is the maligned ''Comicbook/HeroesReborn'' version of Captain America.
137	* ThereAreNoCoincidences: Captain America and the future T'Challa note how convenient it is that they're faced with a choice that requires them make a choice between vengeance or helping others. It's part of Immortus' plan.
138	* ThrowingOffTheDisability: Rick Jones begins the story paralyzed due to injuries he sustained in an encounter with the Hulk. He manages to heal himself with the Destiny Force.
139	* TimeStandsStill: Seen in the bad future that begins the story, and before Immortus tried to kill Rick Jones.
140	* WeHaveReserves: Immortus does not go to war ''himself'', he simply uses his time manipulation to summon soldiers from all ages (from antique Babylon to futuristic soldiers and everything in-between). All 100% loyal to him, and it does not matter how many Kang kills, because Immortus can summon hundreds, thousands, millions, billions, just by wishing so.
141	* WellIntentionedExtremist: The Time-Keepers have very legitimate concerns about humanity becoming TheEmpire. Their solution? Exterminate countless timelines. A mass-murder that would leave Comicbook/{{Galactus}} or even the [[Comicbook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths Anti-Monitor]] as mere amateurs.
142	* WhatMeasureIsANonHuman: Black Panther spares Mourning Prey's children and allows them to continue living in the vibranium mine despite them being a bunch of bug-like monsters. The fact that Jocasta and her baby might die during childbirth is also treated with seriousness despite the two of them being machines.
143	* WhatYouAreInTheDark: After a prolonged war with the Martians that has wiped out damn near all of mankind and outright ''all'' of Wakanda, Black Panther wants to go after the Martians and kill them all. But the vibranium supplies are needed to keep Mourning Prey alive, so he acquiesces.
144	* WhoWantsToLiveForever: Tempus keeps whining about this.
145	* WorthyOpponent: Kang treats the Avengers as such.
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