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3	Limyaael, also known as Lightning on the Wave for her [[FanFic/ArcOfSacrifices online fiction]], was an English graduate student studying for her Ph.D. In 2003, she decided to express her views on fantasy literature in a rant entitled [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/30956.html Why I get impatient with clichéd fantasy]]. Since then, she has written more rants on her online journal.
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5	Despite the name, Limyaael's rants are not just for fantasy writers. She also has covered topics that are not limited to fantasy, like dialogue and romance, as well as more general topics like plotting and characterization. One of the features of the journal format is that Limyaael’s commenters also have much to say, from additional facts to opposing viewpoints.
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7	The Rants used to be posted on Platform/LiveJournal, but Limyaael has moved to [=InsaneJournal=]. The Rants originally posted on LJ can still be accessed there, though.
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9	Limyaael's Fantasy Rants were updated [[http://limyaael.insanejournal.com/ here]]. The archive of Rants can be accessed [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/tag/ here]], and [[http://limyaael.insanejournal.com/480442.html#cutid1 here]].
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11	A repository was created [[http://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/ here]] to collect the scattered articles, but take note that the comments (not found here) are an important part of the original message.
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13	Limyaael's rants were [[ScheduleSlip scarcely updated]] for a while starting around April 2008. In [[http://www.journalfen.net/users/limyaael/65402.html this post]] she explained the reasons, and the Rants were not updated until she had more free time. They started back up for a little while, then stopped again in May 2010.
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15	It was mentioned early in 2013, on her Facebook Fan page, that she is doing well and that whilst she does appreciate her fans and their support over the years, she has put her online literary life behind her.
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18	!!Tropes Limyaael has specifically ranted about:
19	* AnAdventurerIsYou: {{Averted\|Trope}} with the [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/266114.html rant on D&D stereotypes]]. Basically, someone who acts like a "murderhobo" -- an adventurer who travels from place to place killing bad guys without a permanent place to stay -- shouldn't really be treated like heroes. Also, the kind of people who acted that way would be classified as mercenaries, thugs, highwaymen, pirates, freelance killers, thieves for a living... but not heroes. Finally, the average person who comes in with blood over a recent battle and a pile of bodies behind them should be treated with fear, not with awe.
20	-->''No family ties bind them. No inconvenient people are popping out of the past to hold them back, except perhaps old enemies that the GM wants to use in the current storyline. Common people bow in awe of them, and they’re accepted as part of an almost automatic class of heroes, despite the damage they leave behind them.''
21	* AnachronicOrder: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/357919.html Non-linear narrative rant]] goes into how to do this effectively. Mostly, it comes down to using multiple different ways that people can record history, such as personal letters, diaries, journals, posters and broadsides, or even newspapers (especially if the world is based in a mid-Victorian time period or later). Also, make sure that different perspectives speak differently to give a sense of time passing and the differences in opinion that go with it.
22	%%* {{Animorphism}} and {{Shapeshifting}}: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/288509.html Shapeshifters]], [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/290393.html shapeshifter societies]] and [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/47942.html blurring the distinction between the "human" part and the "animal part"]].
23	%%* AntiVillain: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/551157.html Non-villain rant]].
24	%%* {{Anvilicious}}: Aversion: [[https://limyaael.livejournal.com/329800.html Weaving in messages without being obnoxious]] [[invoked]].
25	* ArrangedMarriage: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/437418.html On escaping the arranged marriage trap]]. All of the angst and drama surrounding such a thing has been done to death, according to her. This is usually because the object of the arranged marriage is a one-dimensional {{Jerkass}} or otherwise not the hero's LoveInterest. Limyaael argues that people marry for things besides love all the time, and that playing up the pragmatism or power involved could be a better angle to go with.
26	* AuthorAvatar: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/450374.html Putting non-obvious bits of yourself in the story/characters]] is about how to do this without making it insufferable. Things Limyaael suggests include putting a bit of yourself "twisted sideways" somehow into a character, using an example of an author who's into books making a character who's into a different kind of books than the author is. Also, don't just put the "attractive" bits of yourself into this character -- you can give them some of your negative traits, such as a character not knowing when to shut their mouth if that's a fault of yours.
27	* AutomatonHorses: [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/death-weapons/ Death and weapons]], point 2, says that horses are treated like vehicles by most fantasy when they're living creatures. Essentially, if your characters are beaten up after a bloody battle or a long journey, the horse is probably going to be even worse off than them, and the story should reflect that.
28	* SoYouWantTo/AvoidWritingAMarySue: Many of her rants are devoted to this. Rants about world-building and [[MagicAIsMagicA systems of magic in particular]] note that the protagonist always seems to be an exception to certain world-building rules in fantasy stories. And while that's not inherently a bad thing, it's often done in a way that shows the invisible hand of the author guiding the story in such a way that the protagonist doesn't have to suffer any long-term consequences for their actions or their choices. Basically, Limyaael says that if you don't want to make a MarySue, you've got to make sure the world doesn't treat them any differently without a very good reason.[[invoked]]
29	%%* BondCreatures: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/180365.html Telcom rant]].
30	* BrokenAesop: She's criticized this in [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/gay-lesbian-characters/ rants on LGBT characters]]. Limyaael rants that she's seen too many stories where the book is simultaneously saying that [[GayAesop LGBT people should be normalized and accepted]], while at the same time [[{{Gayngst}} showing the characters angsting over being gay]] and [[BuryYourGays having same-sex pairings end with one lover dead far more often than straight pairings]]. Limyaael herself is pro-LGBT, but argues that [[DontShootTheMessage such messages are doing far more harm than good because of how badly they're executed]].[[invoked]]
31	* BuryYourGays: [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/gay-lesbian-characters/ Gay and lesbian characters]] says that even in stories with a GayAesop or where LGBT people are accepted more than they are in real life, LGBT characters still tend to suffer far more than straight/cis-gender characters by having their lovers die at a far higher rate. As such, Limyaael's rant is how this should be avoided as much as possible.
32	* CampGay: Criticized in point 4 of [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/gay-lesbian-characters/ Gay and lesbian characters]], in particular how gay characters are always portrayed as being interested in fashion even when it is impractical or doesn't make sense given the setting.
33	%%* CentralTheme: Point 1 of the [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/making-a-true-stand-alone-novel/ stand-alone novel]] rant.
34	* CleanCut: [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/death-weapons/ Death and weapons]], points 4 and 5, say that such a thing is unrealistic. If you're going to slash somebody with a sword big/sharp enough to cut off limbs, it's going to be bloody, messy, and agonizingly painful.
35	%%* ComingOfAgeStory [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/heros-childhood/ Hero's childhood]].
36	%%* ConflictingLoyalties: [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/putting-characters-through-hell/ Putting characters through hell]], point 6.
37	%%* ConLang: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/tag/conlangs Conlangs]].
38	%%* CreatorsPet: She refers to them as [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/tag/author%27s%20darlings Author's Darlings]] [[invoked]].
39	%%* CrypticBackgroundReference: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/539688.html Casual worldbuilding]].
40	%%* CynicismCatalyst: The fifth point in [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/balancing-cynicism/ Balancing cynicism.]] is about this.
41	%%* DeathTropes: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/179073.html Death rant]].
42	%%* DeusAngstMachina: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/200469.html Rant on abuse of abused characters]].
43	%%* DiabolusExMachina: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/499234.html Raining shit on the story and not letting it stink]].
44	%%* {{Doorstopper}}: [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/maintaining-very-long-novels/ Maintaining very long novels]] and [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/long-high-fantasy/ Long high fantasy]].
45	%%* DreamTropes: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/172176.html Dream rant]].
46	%%* EasyAmnesia: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/322254.html Rant on amnesia/amnesiac characters]].
47	%%* ElementalRockPaperScissors: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/451084.html Rant on elemental magic]].
48	%%* EvilOverlord: Aversion: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/310509.html Rant on creating non-Dark Lord villains]].
49	%%* SugarWiki/FavoriteTrope: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/345476.html Several rants]] [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/383804.html on what she]] [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/408614.html thinks would]] [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/468736.html be really cool]].[[invoked]].
50	%%* FatalFlaw: [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/putting-characters-through-hell/ Putting characters through hell]].
51	%%* FateAndProphecyTropes: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/132132.html Destiny and prophecies rant]].
52	* FeministFantasy: [[https://limyaael.livejournal.com/178080.html Feminist fantasy rant]]. Although she considers herself a feminist, Limyaael critiques tropes she sees in a lot of these, such as portraying woman as inherently [[WomenAreWiser smarter]], [[CloserToEarth more virtuous]] and even [[{{Matriarchy}} them ruling]] as ideal. Limyaael particularly dislikes those which (ironically enough, given feminist criticism of this) use RapeTropes poorly, overusing she thinks RapeAsDrama, ChildByRape, using RapeAndSwitch at all, MadonnaWhoreComplex and BattleOfTheSexes. In general, she thinks these give feminism a bad name, and fall into [[StopBeingStereotypical unfortunate stereotypes]] [[DoesNotLikeMen of feminists]] that such works perpetuate.
53	* FinalBattle: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/149083.html The final battle]], and [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/149698.html There are other ways to end a fantasy book than battle]], are all about this. Basically, having a showdown with the BigBad isn't necessarily the only way to end the book on a high note, such as [[MurderByInaction the bad guy's hubris leaving them mortally wounded with the hero refusing to help them]]. And most of the time, [[TheGoodGuysAlwaysWin it's obvious that the good guys are going to win]]. But if you're going to do a final battle, then at least have the decency to do it well by making the final battle cost something to the heroes, or make it the culmination of character development.
54	* FirstPersonPeripheralNarrator: In the [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/viewpoint-errors/ Viewpoint errors]] rant. She is fine with this trope if there is a real reason the main character can't be the narrator (like knowing too much or too little about what's going on), but if there is no such reason she suggests the most important and interesting character should be the narrator.
55	%%* {{Foreshadowing}}: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/483388.html Subtle foreshadowing rant]].
56	* GambitPileup: [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/handling-byzantine-plots/ Handling Byzantine plots]]. A genuine example of this trope is encouraged in contrast to a supposedly complex string of gambits that is really all just one strand leading to a single villain. As an example:
57	--> ''Person A tries to introduce poison into Person B’s food, because Person B was indirectly responsible for the death of Person A’s youngest sister. Person A fails, instead causing Person B to have a minor choking spasm. Person C notes the choking spasm and a touch of blue around Person B’s lips, a well-known sign of the poison chyrdis, and goes researching to try and figure out if that’s what it is, and who would put it in Person B’s food, or if Person B, a well-known attention whore, did it to herself. Meanwhile, Person D, who is watching Person C for Person E, notes Person C’s burst of activity and snooping about and thinks it may mean that she’s been discovered. She hurries to Person E to give a full report, and is spotted on the way by Person F, who thinks it’s awfully weird that she’s hurrying up to Person E’s tower when Person E doesn’t give a shit about anyone…''
58	* GayAesop: In point 7 of her rant on [[https://limyaael.livejournal.com/214314.html gay and lesbian characters]], she advises against writing "gay message fantasy", largely because it's frequently quite heavy-handed, [[DontShootTheMessage even though Limyaael is pro-LGBT]]. She feels this increases the distance between LGBT and straight characters mostly, with a better way being to simply portray them as people like everyone else, not focusing too much on their sexual orientations or having problems so much about that. She admits however that Creator/MercedesLackey (who's criticized for this in her rant) was progressive to write pro-LGBT stories ''at all'' in the 1980s/early 1990s.
59	* {{Gayngst}}: She criticizes the overuse of this in point 2 of her [[https://limyaael.livejournal.com/214314.html Rant on gay and lesbian characters]]. She particularly hates it when it makes little sense within a fantasy world where same-sex relationships have been portrayed as mostly accepted for the characters still angst about being gay. Limyaael finds it annoying if the narrative goes ''out of its way'' to make LGBT characters suffer, such as how gay characters have to deal with [[BuryYourGays losing their lovers]] far more often than their straight counterparts. Having gay characters kill ''[[GayngstInducedSuicide themselves]]'' draws even more ire from Limyaael. She even notes that many societies which are written where [[EveryoneIsBi bisexuality is the norm]] and have complete gender equality do not escape this either, as bi characters still have to struggle. She criticizes this because it makes any intended GayAesop by the author fall flat in Limyaael's view, since the story turns it into a BrokenAesop where it simultaneously says that LGBT people should be accepted while showing them suffering in a way that makes being LGBT look like nothing but misery. It all boils down to the consistent theme in Limyaael's rants: if you're going to put something in your story, you should think about the logical consequences of it on the worldbuilding. And that includes in ways that would ''benefit'' the characters, such as gay characters not having to suffer for being gay.[[invoked]]
60	%%* HalfHumanHybrid: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/152437.html Half-breed heroes]].
61	%%* HappinessInSlavery: Limyaael warns against portraying this in the [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/300814.html Rant on slavery]].
62	%%* AHeroIsBorn: Recommended against in the [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/heros-childhood/ Hero's childhood]] rant, point 3.
63	* HideYourLesbians: The first point in the [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/gay-lesbian-characters/ Gay and lesbian characters rant]] criticizes this as ultimately more harmful than not including same-sex relationships at all.
64	%%* HookerWithAHeartOfGold: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/570326.html Rant on whores]].
65	%%* IdiotBall: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/213893.html And are your characters sane today?]]; also, [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/210353.html Stupid plots rant - Last Herald-Mage spoilers]].
66	%%* IKEAErotica: [[http://limyaael.insanejournal.com/427383.html#cutid1 If it’s just Tab A and Slot B, there's a problem]].
67	%%* IneffectualLoner: aversion: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/421560.html Making convincing loner characters]].
68	%%* InfoDump: aversion: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/186438.html Avoiding infodumps]].
69	* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: It's discussed how most fictional mercenaries are this rather than people who are, well, killing people for money.
70	* KudzuPlot: [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/handling-byzantine-plots/ Handling Byzantine plots]] is how to do this better. Essentially, if you really want to have a GambitPileUp, it shouldn't always jump straight to murder as a solution, and that a lot of the interconnected plots should ultimately have little to do with each other. Having TheManBehindTheMan for everything, or making one BigBad who is pulling everyone's strings, doesn't fit the mold of this kind of plot.
71	%%* KillTheOnesYouLove: The last point/suggestion in [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/putting-characters-through-hell/ Putting characters through hell]].
72	%%* KnightInSourArmor: [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/balancing-cynicism/ Balancing cynicism]], which encourages these characters as opposed to the [[NonActionSnarker typical fantasy cynics.]]
73	%%* LaResistance: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/182857.html Secret groups rant]], which is mostly limited to resistance groups.
74	%%* LoveAtFirstSight: {{Averted}} with the rant on [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/345153.html Non-bickering, non-love at first sight relationships]].
75	%%* LoveTriangle: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/482880.html What it takes to make Limyaael love a love triangle]].
76	* MagicAIsMagicA: The [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/413306.html Limitations on magic rant]] says that if you want your magic system to be "scientific", then you've got to "pay science's price" by having it be so closely scrutinized and studied that it's going to be a lot of work to get everything right. Also, Limyaael argues that magic should be affected by a person's mood and physical state, like magic either not working or going haywire if a person is sufficiently stressed out or tired. Finally, she also says that magic which has a permanent cost is a good thing, since it forces the characters (and therefore the author) to really ponder whether the cost of using it is worth the effort.
77	%%* MagicAndPowers: [[http://limyaael.insanejournal.com/tag/worldbuilding:+magic Magic rants]].
78	%%* {{Mentors}}: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/554442.html Mentor rant]].
79	%%* MedievalEuropeanFantasy:
80	%%** [[http://limyaael.insanejournal.com/tag/worldbuilding:+medieval Medieval societies]].
81	%%** Aversions: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/273684.html On stepping out of medieval fantasy parts one]].[[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/275089.html and two]].
82	%%* MedievalStasis: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/463451.html Keeping static worlds plausible]].
83	%%* MindlinkMates: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/180565.html One of Limyaael's most hated tropes]].
84	* OnlyInItForTheMoney: [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/greed-money/ Greed & money.]] In particular, about how this motivation is either ignored when is should be a factor or treated as such a complete evil that even obviously worse motivations like [[ForTheEvulz doing something for the thrill of killing]] are treated as more sympathetic.
85	* OrphansOrdeal: Criticized in point 6 of the [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/heros-childhood/ Hero's childhood]] rant as a cheap source of angst when the protagonist is an orphan and no one else is (rather than it being a setting where so many people die that it's common). Limyaael also thinks the protagonist having dead parents is overused in general, and there's no reason why it should be so uncommon for protagonists to have two living parents.
86	%%* OurDemonsAreDifferent: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/304066.html Demon rant]].
87	%%* OurDragonsAreDifferent: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/134532.html Rant on dragons]].
88	%%* OurDwarvesAreAllTheSame: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/137511.html The Dwarves' Turn]].
89	%%* OurElvesAreDifferent: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/136885.html Why Are Elves Always This Way?]] (also covers CantArgueWithElves).
90	%%* OurGhostsAreDifferent: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/298366.html Ghost rant]].
91	%%* OurVampiresAreDifferent: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/293983.html Vampire rant]].
92	%%* OurWerewolvesAreDifferent: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/452888.html Rant on non-angsty werewolves]].
93	%%* ParodyTropes: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/155678.html Parody fantasy]].
94	%%* PetPeeveTrope: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/tag/stupid%20clichés%20rants Stupid cliché rants]].
95	%%* PhysicalGod: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/443419.html Beings of extreme power rant]].
96	%%* PsychicPower: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/361455.html Psychic powers rant]].
97	%%* PointOfView: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/tag/viewpoint%20rants Viewpoint rants]].
98	%%** [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/183735.html Problems and Promises of First-Person Fantasy]].
99	* QueerAsTropes: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/214314.html Rant on gay and lesbian characters in fantasy]], in which Limyaael says that {{Gayngst}} and the GayAesop should both be avoided, if only because they've been done to death and really aren't fun to read about. The former makes the heroes into inactive, whiny "how sad are WE" types that she hates reading, whereas the latter is always done in such a heavy-handed way that [[DontShootTheMessage even though Limyaael agrees with the point, it makes it a chore to get through]]. Also, if you're going to have an LGBT character, [[CampGay it shouldn't be their entire personality]]. Having said that, Limyaael also says that if you're going to have an LGBT character, make it obvious that they're queer; being coy about it just makes you look ashamed of it, and it's not going to win over any homophobic readers.[[invoked]]
100	* RapeAndSwitch: She criticizes the portrayal of women having become lesbian due to being raped in both her [[https://limyaael.livejournal.com/178080.html feminist fantasy]] and [[https://limyaael.livejournal.com/214314.html gay characters]] rants.
101	%%* {{Realism}}: Pick a rant, any rant, and odds are it's about adding more realism.
102	%%* RefusalOfTheCall: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/466351.html Making good reluctant heroes]].
103	%%* RougeAnglesOfSatin: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/173744.html Several]] [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/174456.html rants]] [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/175234.html on]] [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/176379.html grammar]] [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/159641.html and words]].
104	* SadisticChoice: "[[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/putting-characters-through-hell/ Putting characters through hell]]" says that the urge to push the ResetButton on a choice like this should be discouraged. If a character has to make a hard call, Limyaael says that they should have to live with that choice, even if it made sense at the time. Trying to lessen the impact of that choice is going to remove the drama around it.
105	%%* SatelliteLoveInterest: [[https://limyaael.livejournal.com/377262.html Designated Love Interest rant]] (not to be confused with the trope ''we'' know by that name).
106	%%* SaveBothWorlds: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/456043.html Rant on juxtaposed worlds]].
107	%%* ScienceFantasy: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/577404.html Science fiction and fantasy hybrids]].
108	%%* SciFiGhetto: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/30956.html Why I get impatient with clichéd fantasy]]. <-- Limyaael's original rant. [[invoked]]
109	%%* SexTropes: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/178737.html Sex in fantasy novels]].
110	* SingleIssuePsychology: In the [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/abused-characters/ Abused characters]] rant, Limyaael discusses how some characters' whole psychology seems to revolve around one traumatic event as if it just happened, even years later. She says this could be interesting if it's presented as a sign of deep psychological wounds and the story is largely about [[MentalHealthRecoveryArc recovering from them]] in a realistic manner, but in most books it is presented unrealistically with no real explanation why their journey in the book helps them recover when nothing else had worked for years or decades.
111	%%* SlapSlapKiss: Averted-[[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/345153.html Non-bickering, non-love at first sight relationships]].
112	%%* SociopathicHero: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/465392.html Rant on creating likable bastard characters]]; [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/420559.html Rant on sociopathic characters]].
113	%%* StandardFantasySetting: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/181634.html On escaping Tolkien clichés]].
114	%%* TakeThat: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/302111.html Fantasy of excess: Rant on Jordan and Goodkind]].
115	%%* TheEmpire: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/387736.html Writing empires part one]][[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/388795.html and two]].
116	%%* TheRunaway: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/158741.html Fantasy teenage runaways]].
117	* ThirdActStupidity: The fourth point of the [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/handling-byzantine-plots/ Handling Byzantine plots]] rant is specifically about this in regards to villains who were originally TheChessmaster but are dumbed down to let the heroes win. Basically, if someone is portrayed as TheChessmaster or using their wits to solve a conflict, they shouldn't suddenly decide to throw down the gauntlet just so the hero can fight them in a FinalBattle.
118	%%* ThroughTheEyesOfMadness: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/486481.html Writing a psychotic viewpoint character]].
119	* TrueCompanions: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/406860.html The rant on friendships]] says that the best way to show a group of people like this is to have different relationships between the friends. For instance, one set of friends are brothers-in-arms in combat and that's all, whereas two others would literally go to Hell and back to save each other. Also, consider how people of different social classes might meet, such as a PrinceAndPauper that both like exploring abandoned places together.
120	%%* TrueNeutral: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/457449.html Neutral character rant]] [[invoked]].
121	%%* TVGenius: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/405720.html Rant on genius characters]].
122	%%* TwinTropes: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/467940.html Twins rant]].
123	%%* UnreliableNarrator: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/442378.html Showing your viewpoint character as not 100% correct]].
124	%%* UrbanFantasy: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/177827.html On urban fantasy]].
125	* {{Wangst}}: [[https://limyaael.livejournal.com/534773.html Ten ways of managing angst]] is all about how to avoid doing this. For one, the character shouldn't angst about a dead puppy the same way she should angst about her dress being dirty. Also, "there has to be a basement" for the amount of tragedy one character can go through before it becomes either insufferable or unrealistic to read about. Finally, angsting over something that happened to a character can be done well, but at some point, they have to try and heal instead of living through their suffering forever and ever. [[invoked]]
126	%%* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/510750.html Subplot rant]], point 3.
127	%%* WingedHumanoid: [[http://limyaael.insanejournal.com/509267.html Rant on winged humanoids]].
128	* YouNoTakeCandle: [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/languages-continued/ Languages, continued]] rant. Limyaael discusses how to show a character is not speaking their native language without making their grammatical errors over-the-top or annoying. Limyaael argues that including a ton of grammar mistakes is hard-to-read, and it's PaintingTheMedium in a way that just annoys the reader and draws them out of the story.
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130	!!Tropes that have been mentioned or discussed on the side while ranting about any of the above topics:
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132	* AcceptableFeminineGoalsAndTraits: In the [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/in-praise-of-selfish-characters/ In Praise of Selfish Characters]] rant, Limyaael discusses how there should be more heroines who have selfish goals that don't evaporate in favor of doing everything for a male hero.
133	--> ''Not all women have love as their first priority. Really. (This becomes even less true in worlds where the gender roles are supposed to be indistinguishable). Not every woman feels a maternal urge, or the urge to be taken care of. Really. (You’re reading the words of one). And not every woman will be willing to give up what she wants just to place the hero’s desires first. Really. And no, I don’t think it’s better if a woman sacrifices what she wants just so that her children or her lover or her parents can have an easier time of it, either. It’s still the same trap: sacrifice is required of her because she’s female. It’s fine for men to have their own desires, because they’re male. It’s fine for children to have their own desires, because they’re children. It’s fine for parents to have their own desires, because they did the work of raising the children. But a selfish adult woman? Gasp shock horror!''
134	* AlternateHistory: She gave a couple small ideas in [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/383804.html "More things Limyaael thinks would be really cool,"]] with some questions to ponder when answering "what if the South had won [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar the Civil War]]?"
135	** She also compares badly-made AlternateHistory to "[[ConLang relexification]]."
136	* AncientEvil: Mentioned to be very common in fantasy. While such a thing isn't necessarily bad in her eyes, Limyaael argues that a lot of authors are playing FollowTheLeader with Creator/JRRTolkien without really understanding the "how" or the "why" that such a thing was included in ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings''.[[invoked]]
137	* BastardAngst: In the [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/heros-childhood/ Hero's childhood]] rant, it's noted that a lot of characters have a DisappearedDad to facilitate this, even when no one else in the story seems to care about the angst.
138	* BecauseDestinySaysSo: One of Limyaael's pet peeves. She feels that if there must be a prophecy or destiny, the story should also show why the hero is admirable and successful, and why things happen as they do, independently of the destiny aspect.
139	* ChekhovsGun: Though she didn't use the term, her rant on subtle foreshadowing favors elements that aren't supposed to be noticed the first time around. She especially encourages this for [[{{Doorstopper}} long series]], to avoid adding lots of unnecessary details even late into the game that never get followed up upon.
140	* {{Cliffhanger}}: A large part of the [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/353138.html transition rant]] is how to do this effectively. Limyaael compares it to characters transitioning between a chapter and/or a book like characters on the ocean finding an island to rest on -- the characters might be in a bad spot, but there's no immediate danger. That way, the audience can get some relief over the fact that the situation may not be ideal, but at least it's not awful.
141	* CommonalityConnection: In the [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/represented-relationships/ Less Represented Relationships]] rant, Limyaael argues that relationships between characters who have things in common can be more entertaining and believable to read about than characters who are complete opposites.
142	* ConceptsAreCheap: In the [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/in-praise-of-selfish-characters/ In Praise of Selfish Characters]] rant, Limyaael gets annoyed with protagonists who just suddenly decide they want to care for "a great amorphous mass she might call “the Wheel” (Jordan) or “the unborn” (Goodkind) or “the world” (lots of other people)" as opposed to concrete things like themselves, their friends, their home, their profession, etc.
143	* ConvectionSchmonvection: Limyaael's rant on dragons notes that if your dragon can breathe fire hot enough to ''melt solid rock'', it's probably going to do more than just "make a hero's jacket smolder" in the process.
144	* DecadentCourt: Discussed in [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/handling-byzantine-plots/ Handling Byzantine plots.]] In particular, how a lot of authors [[ShowDontTell say their courts are this way]], but don't really back it up. She considers it a SugarWiki/FavoriteTrope of hers when done properly.
145	* DeathByChildbirth: Listed as an overused cliche in books that start with [[AHeroIsBorn the hero's birth.]] She acknowledges that this was common in RealLife premodern times, but that when the main character's mother is the ''only'' one this happens to, it just seems like a DeusAngstMachina.
146	* DeterminedDefeatist: Limyaael says that she thinks authors should write more of their cynical characters like this rather than ones who are constantly complaining about how they think their efforts are doomed.
147	* DidNotGetTheGirl: Suggested as one of the ways a hero could not get something he wants even though he still saves the world in the end - as long as it isn't immediately followed by revealing that [[SourGrapes the girl was a horrible person anyway]].
148	* DiedInYourArmsTonight: Mentioned as overdramatic.
149	--> ''Two characters who are in love and on the opposite sides of a war, though an overused conflict, is one that can still be made fresh (as long as you don’t have them dying in each other’s arms, which tilts it towards pathos).''
150	* DiseasedName: In her rant on names, Limyaael mentions that she named one of her characters in her 2003 story ''Golden Heresy'' "Teridona", unaware of its meaning, and that a reader who spoke Greek helpfully informed her that it's Greek for "tooth decay". Whoops.
151	* DisappearedDad: Limyaael writes about how all protagonist's dads seem to be either this or dead via HeroicSacrifice, rather than having ever died of a mundane cause like an accident or disease or just being alive and present in their child's life.
152	* TheDogBitesBack: Suggested as something that should happen to heroes rather than just villains - if the hero treats someone necessary for their goal horribly throughout the story, let that person turn on them and have the hero face the consequences.
153	* EternalEnglish: It's suggested that if there is a collapsed empire in your world's backstory and the collapse happened centuries ago, the former parts of the empire should split apart in language over time (as happened with Latin in RealLife), rather than everyone somehow still speaking the same language.
154	* FinalSpeech: Discouraged, since people will usually either be killed/incapacitated too quickly by a deadly wound to give a long speech. Even if they aren't, any wound that's going to be fatal means the victim will be in too much pain to do a lot of talking.
155	* FreudianExcuse: In [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/handling-byzantine-plots/ the complex plots rant]], Limyaael talks about minor villains with no motivation, and how either they will go completely unexplained or the author will throw in a rushed, tacked-in explanation about their abusive childhood or something at the end.
156	* GallowsHumor: Limyaael criticizes how this seems to be the only contexts in which authors let their characters be humorous and witty.
157	* GameplayAndStorySegregation: Limyaael's rant on [[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons D&D gameplay mechanics]] has her claiming that while many of those rules make perfect sense in a gaming environment, they don't translate well into a narrative environment, if at all. As such, her rant says that it's best to just leave the gameplay mechanics out, whenever possible.
158	* GeneralFailure: It's suggested that you can use HollywoodTactics as something that a character like this does rather than giving them to the ones who are supposed to be competent.
159	* GrayAndGrayMorality: Limyaael discusses a scenario where a HeroAntagonist on the villain's side is seeking vengeance on a high-ranking member of the "good" side for a completely justified reason, and the moral dilemma this could create.
160	* HardWorkHardlyWorks: Limyaael notes that being trained in archery actually takes a long time, and characters shouldn't be able to shoot perfectly with no training just based on natural talent.
161	* HeroAntagonist: Limyaael would like to see more characters seeking vengeance on the heroes who are actually completely justified in it rather than just straight villains or mistaken.
162	* HollywoodTactics: Limyaael advises that you shouldn't base your characters' military tactics on what you see in movies, noting that the charge of the Rohirrim in ''Film/TheLordOfTheRingsTheTwoTowers'' should have led to them getting slaughtered by the orcs' spears. She does suggest these sort of tactics could be used for someone who is supposed to be a GeneralFailure in story as a way to show that they're really bad at their job, however.
163	* HotSkittyOnWailordAction[=/=]ShapeshiftingSquick: During her rant about half-human heroes, she says that as much as an author wants to just say "Don't think about it" when asked how the "mechanics" of it work, the author is the one person who '''should''' be putting more thought into it than anyone else.
164	* HumansAreTheRealMonsters: Almost any rant about elves, demi-humans, non-humans, etc. will invoke a comparison of the non-human species being in complete and utter harmony with their environment while the humans are hell-bent on destroying it.
165	* {{Hypocrite}}: Though Limyaael personally gets annoyed by reading about hypocrites, she thinks it's okay to write characters with hypocritical views as long as the author themselves are aware of it.
166	* ImmortalHero: Limyaael criticized Robert Jordan for never letting any of his heroes get killed without getting resurrected, even over the vast length of his books.
167	* ImproperlyParanoid: Suggested as a flaw for the hero that could lead to them getting someone killed in a way that really is somewhat their fault, and not just [[YouDidEverythingYouCould completely excused.]] The hero could loudly denounce someone who they disagree with due to their paranoia, and if that person gets killed immediately afterwards the hero would have some blame for it.
168	* KarmaHoudini: Limyaael encourages writers to resist the temptation to let every villain, even the minor ones, get punished even if it is out of character or contrived.
169	* LanguageEqualsThought: In her rants on conlangs, she makes her opinion clear: language ''influences'' thought, [[SubvertedTrope but doesn't equal thought]].
170	* LeeroyJenkins: It's mentioned how the charge of the Rohirrim in ''Film/TheLordOfTheRingsTheTwoTowers'' was really [[HollywoodTactics suicidal and reckless]], and that you shouldn't write such tactics unless you want a general to come off like this.
171	* LostOrphanedRoyalty: Limyaael states that this is perhaps her least favorite trope in all of fantasy, due to a combination of it being overused, the troubling implications that peasants are genetically inferior and could never be heroes without having secret royal blood, and the FridgeLogic of how a character with no experience of how the world and politics works could be a successful ruler, the [[{{Wangst}} excessive angst it often results in]], and how it makes the villains look unintentionally incompetent for not being able to kill the whole royal family.
172	* LoveRedeems: Mentioned as an example of bad writing, where a minor villain [[TakingTheBullet takes an arrow aimed for the hero]] because she was in love with him all along, with no foreshadowing whatsoever.
173	* {{Magitek}}: Her [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/413306.html limitations on magic rant]] says that this would be the natural consequence in a setting with cheap magic. "If the world has magic, why isn't it that world's technology?"
174	* MarkOfTheSupernatural: Criticized in the context of heroes who are born with one.
175	--> "A squalling baby has zero personality to separate it from other squalling babies, and I don’t see why I should care that this particular one has golden eyes or a caul or a prophetic glow hanging about it"
176	* MentalHealthRecoveryArc: The "abused characters" rant encourages this if it is done realistically and not in a [[EpiphanyTherapy contrived or improbable way.]]
177	* MoralLuck: Limyaael doesn't like when characters [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality who aren't the hero]] are punished by the narrative for doing something wrong when they couldn't have possibly known the problems with what they were doing.
178	* MurderIsTheBestSolution In [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/handling-byzantine-plots/ Handling Byzantine plots]], Limyaael complains about books where characters threaten to murder someone in every possible scenario, even if it doesn't make sense, rather than getting creative.
179	* NoPeriodsPeriod: When discussing full-moon-bound werewolves, Limyaael notes that even a woman's monthly period gets better care than full moon werewolf angst. Assuming the author even bothered to think about that, of course.
180	* PoorCommunicationKills: One of Limyaael's pet peeves is authors not having their characters just ''talk'' to each other to solve a problem. Instead, they'll deflect, rephrase, hide the truth, or otherwise come up with any contrived reason not to just tell the other person the one thing that would really help in any given situation. Limyaael argues that this is the author trying to set up a twist, when all it's really doing is showing the invisible hand of the author in a way that pulls her out of the story.
181	* {{Pride}}: This is the fourth suggestion for how to let the hero suffer for their flaws and mistakes in the [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/putting-characters-through-hell/ Putting characters through Hell]] rant. She points out that this pride that makes the hero dismiss others doesn't have to make him completely unlikable, and the characters who oppose him can still be the ones who are most "wrong", but the results of the hero's pride should still be things that he should have prevented.
182	* PurpleProse: Criticized, because most authors do it to imitate Tolkien while ignoring the context of Tolkien knowing the English countryside he was describing well and because it was an important part of his personal style, and doing it even when the limited narrator couldn't possibly notice all those details.
183	* RapePillageAndBurn: Encouraged to be included on both sides of a war, rather than just the "evil" army - historically, the motivations of an army for a war has nothing to do with how likely they are to commit war crimes like this.
184	* RealWomenDontWearDresses: {{Discussed\|Trope}} and ultimately averted. [[invoked]]
185	-->I prefer strong female characters anyway, by which I mean “female characters who have their own minds and do not spend the whole time obsessed with men, either pining for them or putting them down.” They don’t have to be warriors for me to empathize with them. They can certainly be mothers who love their children fiercely. The most important relationships in their lives can certainly be with men.
186	* RedemptionEqualsDeath: Discouraged when it is used as a cheap way to get rid of a villain rather than let them [[KarmaHoudini get away with their crimes]], even though the redemption is completely unforeshadowed and out-of-character.
187	* SaidBookism: Discussed in the third grammar rant. She especially has a problem with tags that don't make sense, like "smiled" and "nodded".
188	* ShowDontTell: Limyaael talks about how most {{Decadent Court}}s are really not that dangerous and just consist of idiots spouting cliched dialogue, it's just the the author is constantly telling us how subtle and dangerous everyone is.
189	* SpinoffBabies: Mocked thoroughly.
190	--> ''This is the belief that a story MUST have a sequel, it simply MUST, because you haven’t told the story of the main couple’s children yet, or the second time they defeated the Grand Evil, or the time their second cousin’s mother-in-law’s best friend’s dog ran away.''
191	* StarCrossedLovers: The plot of two characters who are in love and on the opposite sides of a war is discussed - Limyaael thinks it is overused but still has the potential to be written well.
192	* SufficientlyAnalyzedMagic: The [[http://limyaael.livejournal.com/413306.html limitations on magic rant]] explains what it ''really'' takes for magic to be called scientific.
193	* SweetAndSourGrapes: Discouraged. Limyaael says that if an author is going to give the hero a SadisticChoice, or make him have to make a FriendOrIdolDecision, then the author should make the consequences stick and resist the temptation to hit the ResetButton. Otherwise, the hero basically didn't choose anything, and the drama around it meant nothing at all.
194	--> ''Another common fantasy trope is to force the hero to choose between two people or two ethical positions. He’s in agony, writhing, and then he chooses. Almost at once, the author reveals that the person he didn’t choose was false, or that the ethical position he didn’t choose was morally untenable anyway.''
195	* TailSlap: When discussing dragons, Limyaael notes that the whip of a crocodile's tail packs enough brute force to kill an average human being. So what would a dragon's tail do? "Probably ''not'' cause light wounds."
196	* TakingTheBullet: When giving an example of villains being given a contrived RedemptionEqualsDeath treatment just to get them out of the way, Limyaael describes a minor villain who jumps in front of an arrow aimed for the hero because she was in love with him all along.
197	* ThirdActMisunderstanding: She tends to call it the "Great Misunderstanding Plot."
198	* ThrowingYourSwordAlwaysWorks: Criticized in the [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/death-weapons/ Death and weapons]] rant.
199	* TroubledAbuser: Limyaael criticizes how abusive characters in fiction are, unlike in real life, almost never this, and instead are just being abusive out of [[BlackAndWhiteMorality one-dimensional jealousy and hatred]].
200	* UnusuallyUninterestingSight: During her rant about "telcoms", Limyaael wonders how a character can just waltz into a town with a telepathic wolf/dragon/whatever by their side and ''nobody'' even bats an eye at it, much less try to chase it out of town or kill it. ''Especially'' when the creature being a telepathic companion is kept secret, and "the hunters have no reason ''not'' to shoot a dangerous beast who shows little fear of humans and is lurking around the village."
201	* VengeanceFeelsEmpty: A pet peeve for Limyaael is treating vengeance of any kind and/or for any reason as unjustified, irrational, or leading to a life-ruining consequence. She's mentioned that she would love to see more stories of characters motivated by vengeance that are not only justified in doing so, but who are treated as such by the narrative.
202	* VoodooShark: Limyaael points out that while you can justify EternalEnglish with magical travel or long-distance communication being available in your fantasy world, this could raise the question of why the "backwater" your hero comes from is still so isolated.
203	* WaifProphet: Limyaael tends to dislike children who give prophecies because they are usually [[FlatCharacter flat characters]] with no personality besides their ability to give prophecies.
204	* WarIsHell: Encouraged. In the [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/death-weapons/ Death and weapons]] rant, Limyaael notes how battlefields smell, the bodies can contaminate water, and there will rarely be opportunity for individual rather than mass burials.
205	* YouDidEverythingYouCould: Limyaael argues against the idea. Limyaael says that a character expressing this sentiment to another character to cheer them up or comfort them is fine, especially if that's used to grow a dynamic between the comforter and comfortee. But if an author constantly makes it so that the protagonist's failures have no consequence ("It doesn't matter that you couldn't/didn't save him from the housefire, he would have died that day from Lethal Disease #9567 anyway!"), the story loses realism and depth, and exists just as a way to prevent the hero from suffering any consequences.
206	* YouKnowWhatYouDid: Listed as an example of angst in the [[https://curiosityquills.com/limyaael/angst-vs-tragedy/ Angst vs. tragedy]] rant. It usually isn't a result of the characters' own flaws and insecurities, just an excuse for drama rather than normal communication between the characters.
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210	!!Tropes that manifest in the rants themselves
211	* BerserkButton: Nothing will get Limyaael into rant mode faster than lazy writing.
212	** She gives advice on how to SoYouWantTo/AvoidWritingAMarySue, because if she sees a MarySue in a book, she has a self-admitted tendency to want to throw the book at the nearest wall. To her, a character is a "Mary Sue" if the narrative is going out of its way to make sure that a character doesn't have to suffer consequences or receives unearned rewards.[[invoked]]
213	** [[{{Gayngst}} Gay characters suffering because they're gay]] draws a lot of ire from Limyaael. While she's pro-LGBT, she admits that many stories with a GayAesop are hard for her to read. This is both because [[DontShootTheMessage they tend to be preachy despite Limyaael agreeing with the idea]], and because [[BrokenAesop a lot of books show gay characters in ways that break the lesson]], such as having them constantly suffering or [[BuryYourGays having their lovers frequently die]].[[invoked]]
214	* CausticCritic: [[DownplayedTrope Not as much as some other examples of the trope]] (it would probably be worse if it was, given that writing advice is the primary goal here), but definitely there.
215	* {{Deconstruction}}: Limyaael goes into a lot of detail about the reasons ''why'' she despises certain tropes, such as what kind of logical consequences and implications a trope should have on its setting (but doesn't).
216	%%* {{Dissimile}}: Usually in the form of: "That's totally original. Only not."
217	* DoubleEntendre: This was to be expected in her rant about sex scenes; Limyaael even [[LampshadeHanging hangs a lampshade]] on it throughout the post.
218	%%* GenreSavvy: Very.
219	%%* LemonyNarrator: Limyaael has a very breezy and snarky writing style.
220	%%* {{NOT}}: Usually in the form of: "That's totally original. Only not."
221	%%* {{Portmanteau}}: "Telcoms", for "telepathic companion".
222	* SlidingScaleOfIdealismVsCynicism: She's on the cynical end. Limyaael has read enough fantasy books in her lifetime that she's come to see a lot of tropes that have bugged her over the years. The rants she's made also show a very cynical air to them by riffing on how everything seems to work out okay all the time in fantasy, when Limyaael argues that it rarely does in real life. Finally, she also tends to favor realism and consequences for actions in stories, which manifests in a lot of pain, figuratively or literally.
223	%%* TakeThat: See above.
224	%%* ThirdPersonPerson

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