History ZergRush / RealLife

15th Jul '17 10:00:08 AM nombretomado
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* During WorldWarII, the US applied this strategy to shipbuilding. Once the wartime industrial machine got rolling at full capacity, the Americans were able to build merchant ships faster than the Germans could hope to sink them. Indeed, they built escort ships along this strategy as well, resulting in ships like the Escort Carriers. They were built to merchant shipping standards, rather than naval warship standards, and compared to typical aircraft carriers, they were [[PoorMansSubstitute smaller, slower, far less adequately defended, and could only carry about half as many planes]]. But since the US built [[WeHaveReserves over 140 of these "jeep" carriers]], they were more than adequate for convoy escort, anti-sub patrols, and providing air support for land forces, freeing up the full-size carriers for higher priority missions. On top of that, the back of the Japanese carrier force was broken early in the war at the Battle of Midway, and the Germans never fielded any aircraft carriers to oppose the Allies with, so being better than nothing proved to be more than good enough for the escort carriers.

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* During WorldWarII, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, the US applied this strategy to shipbuilding. Once the wartime industrial machine got rolling at full capacity, the Americans were able to build merchant ships faster than the Germans could hope to sink them. Indeed, they built escort ships along this strategy as well, resulting in ships like the Escort Carriers. They were built to merchant shipping standards, rather than naval warship standards, and compared to typical aircraft carriers, they were [[PoorMansSubstitute smaller, slower, far less adequately defended, and could only carry about half as many planes]]. But since the US built [[WeHaveReserves over 140 of these "jeep" carriers]], they were more than adequate for convoy escort, anti-sub patrols, and providing air support for land forces, freeing up the full-size carriers for higher priority missions. On top of that, the back of the Japanese carrier force was broken early in the war at the Battle of Midway, and the Germans never fielded any aircraft carriers to oppose the Allies with, so being better than nothing proved to be more than good enough for the escort carriers.
3rd Jun '17 1:16:57 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** The same business occurred in the [[UsefulNotes/MiddleEastUprising2011 Arab Revolutions of 2011]]; the governments of UsefulNotes/{{Tunisia}} and [[UsefulNotes/ModernEgypt Egypt]] fell more or less because their militaries refused to fire on protesters, and other techniques were useless because of the sheer number of protesters. Libya turned into a CivilWar and Syria and Bahrain turned into bloodbaths because the government forces were willing to fire on the people; however, we should note that because the Libyan and Syrian militaries/security forces had similar demographics to the general public, defections to the protesting side kept the situation protracted, while the fact that the Bahraini forces (and the [[SummonBiggerFish Saudi and Emirati forces they called in to help]]) were primarily Sunni and the protesters primarily Shia made defections less of an issue, and the uprising was crushed as a result. On the other hand, ever-GenreSavvy Morocco explicitly ordered its security forces not to fire on protesters no matter what they did, which is why the protests there never got that big and why the regime was able to get away with moderate reforms.

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** The same business occurred in the [[UsefulNotes/MiddleEastUprising2011 Arab Revolutions of 2011]]; the governments of UsefulNotes/{{Tunisia}} and [[UsefulNotes/ModernEgypt Egypt]] fell more or less because their militaries refused to fire on protesters, and other techniques were useless because of the sheer number of protesters. Libya turned into a CivilWar and Syria and Bahrain turned into bloodbaths because the government forces were willing to fire on the people; however, we should note that because the Libyan and Syrian militaries/security forces had similar demographics to the general public, defections to the protesting side kept the situation protracted, while the fact that the Bahraini forces (and the [[SummonBiggerFish Saudi and Emirati forces they called in to help]]) were primarily Sunni and the protesters primarily Shia made defections less of an issue, and the uprising was crushed as a result. On the other hand, ever-GenreSavvy Morocco explicitly ordered its security forces not to fire on protesters no matter what they did, which is why the protests there never got that big and why the regime was able to get away with moderate reforms.



* Famously subverted at the Battle of Thermopylae, which funneled the massive zerg rushing Persian army into a narrow corridor straight into Greek spears. Numbers counted for nothing.
** The Greeks showed certain [[GenreSavvy Genre Savviness]] at Thermopylae. [[BigBookOfWar Sun Tzu]] ''especially'' warns of attacking "a pass so narrow a single man can defend it".

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* Famously subverted at the Battle of Thermopylae, which funneled the massive zerg rushing Persian army into a narrow corridor straight into Greek spears. Numbers counted for nothing.
** The Greeks showed certain [[GenreSavvy Genre Savviness]] at Thermopylae.
nothing. [[BigBookOfWar Sun Tzu]] ''especially'' warns of attacking "a pass so narrow a single man can defend it".
19th May '17 10:56:32 PM nombretomado
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** On social media sites such as {{Twitter}}, {{Facebook}}, and YouTube this is known as dogpiling. Exploited by people with a large following who want to use their fans as their personal army to attack people with smaller followings to bully them into silence. The actions of these fans can range from hurling insults to doc-dropping and death threats against family members.

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** On social media sites such as {{Twitter}}, {{Facebook}}, Website/{{Twitter}}, Website/{{Facebook}}, and YouTube Website/YouTube this is known as dogpiling. Exploited by people with a large following who want to use their fans as their personal army to attack people with smaller followings to bully them into silence. The actions of these fans can range from hurling insults to doc-dropping and death threats against family members.
5th May '17 6:37:07 AM ImpudentInfidel
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** Even a fight ants vs. ants gets zergrushed. The Argentian ant, much smaller than the indigenous species, invades Europe. See [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_ant The Other Wiki]]

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** Even a fight ants vs. ants gets zergrushed. The Argentian ant, much smaller than the indigenous species, invades Europe. Unlike most ants which only function as individual colonies or clusters of colonies, ''all of them'' are one huge colony. See [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_ant The Other Wiki]]
18th Feb '17 4:06:13 AM leonardd
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*** Even in tank to tank battles, the trope was actually played straight quite often, although not necessarily the way people think. The standard practice for US tankers from D-Day onward was to not attack German panzers unless assured of at least 5-to-1 numerical advantage (not necessarily the oft-quoted loss of 5 Shermans for every Panther, which is a misreporting of this rule of thumb). Even on the German side, however, panzermen felt that at least 3 to 1 local advantage in numbers was necessary for even allegedly superior German Panthers to successfully attack defending T-34s or Shermans, so great was the defensive power of the tanks in general. Almost every instance in 1943 or later where German panzers attacked Allied tanks without at least 2.5 to 1 local advantage was beaten back.
10th Feb '17 4:15:32 PM AltoonaMan
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** On social media sites such as {{Twitter}}, {{Facebook}}, and YouTube this is known as dogpiling. Exploited by people with a large following who want to use their fans as their PersonalArmy to attack people with smaller followings to bully them into silence. The actions of these fans can range from hurling insults to doc-tropping and death threats against family members.

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** On social media sites such as {{Twitter}}, {{Facebook}}, and YouTube this is known as dogpiling. Exploited by people with a large following who want to use their fans as their PersonalArmy personal army to attack people with smaller followings to bully them into silence. The actions of these fans can range from hurling insults to doc-tropping doc-dropping and death threats against family members.members.
*** Do this too often and you risk a counterattack, the zerg rush of dogpiling fans merely becomess seen as a weapon of choice, and the people you initiated this on may band together to do it to you in retaliation en masse. For example, popular antifeminist channels are known for sending their fans after small channels who make videos on feminism. Eventually these small channels have had enough and have decided to call out these larger channels and continue to do so. A few of these large YouTube channels have been suspended as a result.
21st Jan '17 12:29:50 PM AltoonaMan
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** On social media sites such as {{Twitter}}, {{Facebook}}, and YouTube this is known as dogpiling. Exploited by people with a large following who want to use their fans as their PersonalArmy to attack people with smaller followings to bully them into silence. The actions of these fans can range from hurling insults to doc-tropping and death threats against family members.
29th Dec '16 5:33:52 AM Morgenthaler
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*** Zig-zagged with the Chinese military during the KoreanWar, and indeed, with many armed forces supposedly using "human wave" tactics. They may be given to WeHaveReserves mentality due to relative scarcity of high tech equipment and large numerical advantage, but trained manpower is not easily replaceable and even low-tech, high-manpower forces tend to rely on skills and tactics except under most dire conditions. A US marine during the KoreanWar supposedly quipped, "how many squads of Chinese make up a human wave?"

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*** Zig-zagged with the Chinese military during the KoreanWar, UsefulNotes/KoreanWar, and indeed, with many armed forces supposedly using "human wave" tactics. They may be given to WeHaveReserves mentality due to relative scarcity of high tech equipment and large numerical advantage, but trained manpower is not easily replaceable and even low-tech, high-manpower forces tend to rely on skills and tactics except under most dire conditions. A US marine during the KoreanWar Korean War supposedly quipped, "how many squads of Chinese make up a human wave?"
18th Dec '16 4:18:31 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Although the Parachute Regiment fought a battle, uphill, in the dark, against enemies in fixed positions at 2:3 odds - ''and won'' - at Goose Green in the Falklands War, this was due to necessity and under-estimating Argentinian numbers. But if the Paras had known in advance, [[{{Badass}} it probably wouldn't have fazed them anyway]].

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** Although the Parachute Regiment fought a battle, uphill, in the dark, against enemies in fixed positions at 2:3 odds - ''and won'' - at Goose Green in the Falklands War, this was due to necessity and under-estimating Argentinian numbers. But if the Paras had known in advance, [[{{Badass}} it probably wouldn't have fazed them anyway]].anyway.
23rd Nov '16 11:04:09 PM VutherA
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* Highland Charges in the 17th and 18th century. Unlike what happened in Braveheart, traditional Scottish tactics called for tight and disciplined blocks of infantry. When newer firearms made those tactics obsolete they switched to a screaming charge at the enemy line, which was extremely successful when their enemies would break ranks. When other armies started training their armies to defend against them, they got massacred.
** Other factors, such as improved firearm drill, the invention of the bayonet and canister shot, also made the strategy obsolete.

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* Highland Charges in the 17th and 18th century. Unlike what happened in Braveheart, traditional Scottish tactics called for tight and disciplined blocks of infantry. When newer firearms made those tactics obsolete obsolete, they switched to long lines no deeper four ranks which would advance to musket range (around 50-60 yards), fire off a volley, drop to the ground in expectation of a return volley, and then abandon their guns while using the musket smoke as cover to make a screaming charge at the enemy line, which was aided by the use of targes with one-handed swords/dirks to deflect bayonets and extremely successful when their enemies would quickly break ranks. When other armies started training their armies to defend against them, they got massacred.
** Other factors, such as improved firearm drill, the invention of the ring bayonet (which was always attached unlike the earlier plug bayonet which had to be mounted as needed because it went into a gun's barrel and prevented it from firing) and canister shot, also made the strategy obsolete.
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