History YouNoTakeCandle / Literature

27th Sep '16 8:55:38 PM PaulA
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* In Creator/CJCherryh's ''Literature/ChanurSaga'', the Mahendo'sat, though no more nor less intelligent than the other oxygen-breathing space-faring species, have a difficult time learning the languages of other species, so when speaking to other species their merchants use a pidgin language which is rendered in English in a "primitive" sounding manner.
** They speak it among themselves as well, from having hundreds or thousands of different dialects on their home planet, sort of like Chinese, with the differences between Mandarin and Cantonese and such. Because it's simplified so much, it's used as the de facto trade language between the various aliens.

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* In Creator/CJCherryh's ''Literature/ChanurSaga'', ''Literature/ChanurNovels'', the Mahendo'sat, though no more nor less intelligent than the other oxygen-breathing space-faring species, have a difficult time learning the languages of other species, so when speaking to other species their merchants use a pidgin language which is rendered in English in a "primitive" sounding manner.
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manner. They speak it among themselves as well, from having hundreds or thousands of different dialects on their home planet, sort of like Chinese, with the differences between Mandarin and Cantonese and such. Because it's simplified so much, it's used as the de facto trade language between the various aliens.
9th Jun '16 4:29:18 PM JustTroper
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* Lampshaded to a degree by the titular character of the ''Literature/{{Firekeeper}}'' series, who was RaisedByWolves. She insists that using more words than she needs to make her point is pointless. Also {{Subverted|Trope}} to a degree in that when speaking with animals (which is her native "language") she is depicted as having normal grammatical skills.

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* Lampshaded to a degree by the titular character of the ''Literature/{{Firekeeper}}'' series, who was RaisedByWolves. She [[ElectiveBrokenLanguage insists that using more words than she needs to make her point is pointless.pointless]]. Also {{Subverted|Trope}} to a degree in that when speaking with animals (which is her native "language") she is depicted as having normal grammatical skills.
9th Jun '16 8:50:30 AM Morgenthaler
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* In Creator/CJCherryh's ''ChanurSaga'', the Mahendo'sat, though no more nor less intelligent than the other oxygen-breathing space-faring species, have a difficult time learning the languages of other species, so when speaking to other species their merchants use a pidgin language which is rendered in English in a "primitive" sounding manner.

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* In Creator/CJCherryh's ''ChanurSaga'', ''Literature/ChanurSaga'', the Mahendo'sat, though no more nor less intelligent than the other oxygen-breathing space-faring species, have a difficult time learning the languages of other species, so when speaking to other species their merchants use a pidgin language which is rendered in English in a "primitive" sounding manner.



* Lampshaded to a degree by the titular character of the ''{{Firekeeper}}'' series, who was RaisedByWolves. She insists that using more words than she needs to make her point is pointless. Also {{Subverted|Trope}} to a degree in that when speaking with animals (which is her native "language") she is depicted as having normal grammatical skills.

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* Lampshaded to a degree by the titular character of the ''{{Firekeeper}}'' ''Literature/{{Firekeeper}}'' series, who was RaisedByWolves. She insists that using more words than she needs to make her point is pointless. Also {{Subverted|Trope}} to a degree in that when speaking with animals (which is her native "language") she is depicted as having normal grammatical skills.



* The Party was deliberately imposing this trope on the people of Oceania in ''[[Literature/NineteenEightyFour 1984]]''. NewSpeak was an effort to chop down the English language and strip away words for concepts (like love and rebellion) which were dangerous to the leaders, under the guise of efficiency.

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* The Party was deliberately imposing this trope on the people of Oceania in ''[[Literature/NineteenEightyFour 1984]]''.''Literature/NineteenEightyFour''. NewSpeak was an effort to chop down the English language and strip away words for concepts (like love and rebellion) which were dangerous to the leaders, under the guise of efficiency.



* Various species of ''{{Redwall}}'' use different varieties of English, mostly based on actual British accents, but a few fall into this trope. The Sparra inexplicably use what seems to be TontoTalk, despite being from the Britain-analogue ("Can you imagine Friar Hugo's face when Warbeak tells him to 'burn fishworm good'?"), and some of the vermin use very broken English ("Dis de blade wot stop your breath"). It doesn't seem to be a sign of stupidity in the case of the Sparra, though, just that they have very little contact with the mammals.

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* Various species of ''{{Redwall}}'' ''Literature/{{Redwall}}'' use different varieties of English, mostly based on actual British accents, but a few fall into this trope. The Sparra inexplicably use what seems to be TontoTalk, despite being from the Britain-analogue ("Can you imagine Friar Hugo's face when Warbeak tells him to 'burn fishworm good'?"), and some of the vermin use very broken English ("Dis de blade wot stop your breath"). It doesn't seem to be a sign of stupidity in the case of the Sparra, though, just that they have very little contact with the mammals.



* Kimy, Henry's mother figure and neighbor, in ''TheTimeTravelersWife'' is a subtle example.

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* Kimy, Henry's mother figure and neighbor, in ''TheTimeTravelersWife'' ''Literature/TheTimeTravelersWife'' is a subtle example.



* Benjy Compson in [[Creator/WilliamFaulkner Faulkner's]] ''TheSoundAndTheFury'' is mentally retarded and his internal monologue takes no candle.
* Used in ''WatershipDown'' when the animals speak Hedgerow, a kind of inter-species pidgin, which appears to owe a lot to Italian for whatever reason. Especially played up with mice ("You want-a nice grass? Plenty-a nice-a grass!") and Kehaar the gull.

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* Benjy Compson in [[Creator/WilliamFaulkner Faulkner's]] ''TheSoundAndTheFury'' ''Literature/TheSoundAndTheFury'' is mentally retarded and his internal monologue takes no candle.
* Used in ''WatershipDown'' ''Literature/WatershipDown'' when the animals speak Hedgerow, a kind of inter-species pidgin, which appears to owe a lot to Italian for whatever reason. Especially played up with mice ("You want-a nice grass? Plenty-a nice-a grass!") and Kehaar the gull.



* In Creator/JohnSteinbeck's ''EastOfEden'', the Chinese servant speaks "Chinee" until a white man observes how very odd it is that no one Chinese ever speaks good English, whereupon he reveals it's intentional, for those who expect it. He was in fact born in the United States and has lived his entire life there. He only reveals his true fluency and personality to people he trusts. He switches to standard English with his employer while the employer is suffering HeroicBSOD.

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* In Creator/JohnSteinbeck's ''EastOfEden'', ''Literature/EastOfEden'', the Chinese servant speaks "Chinee" until a white man observes how very odd it is that no one Chinese ever speaks good English, whereupon he reveals it's intentional, for those who expect it. He was in fact born in the United States and has lived his entire life there. He only reveals his true fluency and personality to people he trusts. He switches to standard English with his employer while the employer is suffering HeroicBSOD.



* This was TruthInTelevision for author Amy Tan as related in her autobiography. The mothers in her books -- particularly Lindo and Su-Yuan in ''Literature/TheJoyLuckClub'', Lu Ling in ''TheBonesettersDaughter'', and Winnie in ''TheKitchenGodsWife'', use English speech that is by and large based on that of her mom and other relatives, while quite EloquentInMyNativeTongue.

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* This was TruthInTelevision for author Amy Tan as related in her autobiography. The mothers in her books -- particularly Lindo and Su-Yuan in ''Literature/TheJoyLuckClub'', Lu Ling in ''TheBonesettersDaughter'', ''Literature/TheBonesettersDaughter'', and Winnie in ''TheKitchenGodsWife'', ''Literature/TheKitchenGodsWife'', use English speech that is by and large based on that of her mom and other relatives, while quite EloquentInMyNativeTongue.



* Happens several times in Creator/HarryTurtledove ''WorldWar'' books with the Race, reptilian conquerors to invade Earth during WorldWarTwo, although subverted in that they are a highly-advanced species. Their representatives learn major human languages, but tend to speak in this manner (e.g. "maybe you help us now"), often trying to find proper equivalent in the given human language for a specific word with the typical "[[HowDoYouSay how you say]]". This differs from lizard to lizard, though, and some get better as the series progresses. Given their physiology, though, their speech is also peppered with SssssnakeTalk. It also happens, as a necessity, between Liu Han and Bobby Fiore, as neither initially knows the other's language. They eventually develop a mix language of sorts, a mishmash of Chinese, English, Race, and sign. Only the two of them can understand it. The books show this as a YouNoTakeCandle-like speech.

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* Happens several times in Creator/HarryTurtledove ''WorldWar'' ''Literature/WorldWar'' books with the Race, reptilian conquerors to invade Earth during WorldWarTwo, although subverted in that they are a highly-advanced species. Their representatives learn major human languages, but tend to speak in this manner (e.g. "maybe you help us now"), often trying to find proper equivalent in the given human language for a specific word with the typical "[[HowDoYouSay how you say]]". This differs from lizard to lizard, though, and some get better as the series progresses. Given their physiology, though, their speech is also peppered with SssssnakeTalk. It also happens, as a necessity, between Liu Han and Bobby Fiore, as neither initially knows the other's language. They eventually develop a mix language of sorts, a mishmash of Chinese, English, Race, and sign. Only the two of them can understand it. The books show this as a YouNoTakeCandle-like speech.



* Tiger Lily and her tribe in ''PeterPan.'' Oddly enough, they use an AsianSpeekeeEngrish accent, despite being Indians. (Perhaps justified in that everything in Never Land is based on children's imagination, and children rarely do the research.)

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* Tiger Lily and her tribe in ''PeterPan.''Literature/PeterPan.'' Oddly enough, they use an AsianSpeekeeEngrish accent, despite being Indians. (Perhaps justified in that everything in Never Land is based on children's imagination, and children rarely do the research.)
26th May '16 6:23:38 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* Benjy Compson in [[WilliamFaulkner Faulkner's]] ''TheSoundAndTheFury'' is mentally retarded and his internal monologue takes no candle.

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* Benjy Compson in [[WilliamFaulkner [[Creator/WilliamFaulkner Faulkner's]] ''TheSoundAndTheFury'' is mentally retarded and his internal monologue takes no candle.
11th Nov '15 5:14:36 PM nombretomado
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* ''{{Riverworld}}'': Mark Twain's caveman buddy Kazz speaks in heavily accented, broken English. He's smart enough, but his vocal tract is not sufficiently evolved toward speech. Flashbacks have to be told in a generic style.

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* ''{{Riverworld}}'': ''Literature/{{Riverworld}}'': Mark Twain's caveman buddy Kazz speaks in heavily accented, broken English. He's smart enough, but his vocal tract is not sufficiently evolved toward speech. Flashbacks have to be told in a generic style.
11th Oct '15 5:40:30 PM nombretomado
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* In the ''Literature/{{Xanth}}'' novels by PiersAnthony, Ogres supposedly speak in broken-English couplets. However, as evidenced by more than one book, if one abandons their prejudices, they can hear the ogre as he actually is speaking, in complete sentences. Now, Ogres pride themselves on being both ugly and stupid, but seriously.

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* In the ''Literature/{{Xanth}}'' novels by PiersAnthony, Creator/PiersAnthony, Ogres supposedly speak in broken-English couplets. However, as evidenced by more than one book, if one abandons their prejudices, they can hear the ogre as he actually is speaking, in complete sentences. Now, Ogres pride themselves on being both ugly and stupid, but seriously.
11th Oct '15 4:54:41 PM nombretomado
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* Subverted in the ''PhulesCompany'' novels. Tuskanini, one of the Legionnaires of the titular military company speaks, rather brokenly, the [[TranslationConvention English equivalent]] of the series. However, he is the company clerk, incredibly intelligent, capable of reading 10-15 books in a night, and plans to become a teacher. He speaks it brokenly because he learned the language manually, and chooses not to rely on a translator, despite the presence of normally functioning [[TranslatorMicrobes translation devices]].

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* Subverted in the ''PhulesCompany'' ''Literature/PhulesCompany'' novels. Tuskanini, one of the Legionnaires of the titular military company speaks, rather brokenly, the [[TranslationConvention English equivalent]] of the series. However, he is the company clerk, incredibly intelligent, capable of reading 10-15 books in a night, and plans to become a teacher. He speaks it brokenly because he learned the language manually, and chooses not to rely on a translator, despite the presence of normally functioning [[TranslatorMicrobes translation devices]].
28th Aug '15 4:40:53 AM FuzzyBoots
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* Mila, of ''Literature/TheMusicOfDolpins'', had several odd quirks in her speech due to being a WildChild, including a seeming inability to use anything but present tense.

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* Mila, of ''Literature/TheMusicOfDolpins'', ''Literature/TheMusicOfDolphins'', had several odd quirks in her speech due to being a WildChild, including a seeming inability to use anything but present tense.
28th Aug '15 4:40:33 AM FuzzyBoots
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* Ayla in the ''EarthsChildren'' books tends to do this when she's learning a new language.

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* Ayla in the ''EarthsChildren'' ''Literature/EarthsChildren'' books tends to do this when she's learning a new language.



* This backfired on Alexandra (Zan) Ford in the YA novel ''SaturdayTheTwelfthOfOctober''. Thrown back into prehistoric times by a convenient glitch in the space-time continuum, Zan is discovered by two cave people about her own age. She goes into the "me Tarzan, you Jane" routine and says "Me Zan". For the rest of the book, the cave people call her Meezzan. She even starts thinking of herself as Meezzan during the year or so she lives with them.

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* This backfired on Alexandra (Zan) Ford in the YA novel ''SaturdayTheTwelfthOfOctober''.''Literature/SaturdayTheTwelfthOfOctober''. Thrown back into prehistoric times by a convenient glitch in the space-time continuum, Zan is discovered by two cave people about her own age. She goes into the "me Tarzan, you Jane" routine and says "Me Zan". For the rest of the book, the cave people call her Meezzan. She even starts thinking of herself as Meezzan during the year or so she lives with them.


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* Mila, of ''Literature/TheMusicOfDolpins'', had several odd quirks in her speech due to being a WildChild, including a seeming inability to use anything but present tense.
14th Jun '15 2:10:05 PM Morgenthaler
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* In ''GalaxArena'' by Gillian Rubinstein, the peb - children abducted from various third-world countries around the world, now imprisoned on a hostile alien planet - have developed a form of pidgin English they call ''patwa'', which serves as the only common language and means of communication between them all.

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* In ''GalaxArena'' ''Literature/GalaxArena'' by Gillian Rubinstein, the peb - children abducted from various third-world countries around the world, now imprisoned on a hostile alien planet - have developed a form of pidgin English they call ''patwa'', which serves as the only common language and means of communication between them all.
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