History Ymmv / Graceling

11th Jul '16 7:59:29 AM WhatArtThee
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: Despite the 14+ rating, there are a couple of (nondescript) sex scenes in this novel. This has become a subject of controversy among Amazon reviewers.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: Despite the 14+ rating, there are a couple of (nondescript) sex scenes in this novel. This has become a subject of controversy among Amazon reviewers.
8th May '16 1:26:31 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[OverarchingVillain King Leck]], though at first seeming to be a [[VillainWithGoodPublicity kind and noble ruler]], is quickly revealed to be the most monstrous character in the story. Developing his Grace of CompellingVoice as a [[EnfantTerrible toddler]], Leck used it to abuse his own father and all those around him in any way he could, while taking a liking to [[TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior torturing and killing small animals]]. After [[{{Patricide}} murdering his father]], Leck eventually takes control of an entire kingdom after murdering all of the current royalty. [[TheCaligula As king of Monsea]], Leck uses his ability to force people to overlook the fact that he regularly tortures hundreds of animals at a time, abuses his own staff, and is kidnapping dozens of little girls from surrounding kingdoms. Leck regularly [[DomesticAbuser abuses and rapes his wife]], leading to the birth of his daughter, Bitterblue, who Leck plans to torture and mold into the "perfect heir" to his throne. When Bitterblue and her mother flee, Leck casually murders the woman, before trying to recapture Bitterblue, at which point he is killed while [[MindRape trying to cause maximum emotional pain]] to all those around him with his powers. Despite his death, Leck's influence and evil continued to haunt the kingdom of Monsea for decades to come, with it being revealed that Leck used hundreds of innocent women and [[WouldHurtAChild little girls]] as subjects for his horrifying Grace-experiments, often resulting in said subjects' deaths. He also forced his own advisors to rape, torture, and murder dozens of those same subjects for his own amusement, [[LovesTheSoundOfScreaming relishing their screams of agony and horror]], before forcing his healers to revive the women so he could do it all over again. {{Sadist}}ic beyond belief and viewing his various atrocities as "art" that should be honored, King Leck was the worst this fantasy series had to offer, horrifying and repulsing all those who knew his true nature.
24th Dec '14 11:42:59 AM ZombieMonster
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* HoYay: Raffin and Bann. According to WordOfGod, their canocity is her most frequently asked question.

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* HoYay: Raffin and Bann. According to WordOfGod, about their canocity relationship is her most frequently asked question.



** JustifiedTrope: Katsa's nature is that of a fighter, and she is most used to wearing clothes that are comfortable and suitable for fighting. Also, the fact that Randa forced her to pretend to be a lady while he toted her a weapon. On the inside she felt like a monster, not a lady, so it is natural that she would reject ladylike behaviours. The fact that Randa essentially used forced ladylike behaviours and clothing as a method of controlling her would also naturally lead to resentment of all things feminine.

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** JustifiedTrope: Katsa's nature is that of a fighter, and she is most used to wearing clothes that are comfortable and suitable for fighting. Also, the fact that Randa forced her to pretend to be a lady while he toted her a weapon. On the inside she felt like a monster, not a lady, so it is natural that she would reject ladylike behaviours. behaviors. The fact that Randa essentially used forced ladylike behaviours behaviors and clothing as a method of controlling her would also naturally lead to resentment of all things feminine.



* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: Despite the 14+ rating, there are a couple of (nondescript) sex scenes in this novel. This has become a subject of controvery among Amazon reviewers.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: Despite the 14+ rating, there are a couple of (nondescript) sex scenes in this novel. This has become a subject of controvery controversy among Amazon reviewers.
16th Nov '14 4:45:45 AM GothicProphet
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* WhatAnIdiot: Brocker? [[spoiler: You shouldn't have shacked up with your mad king's wife, okay?]]

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* WhatAnIdiot: Brocker? [[spoiler: You shouldn't have shacked up with your mad king's wife, okay?]]okay?]]
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3rd Sep '14 9:10:33 PM Angeldeb82
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* RealWomenNeverWearDresses: Katsa '''hates''' wearing dresses. Or anything feminine, really. Which leads to BrokenBase: Refreshing subversion of feminine stereotypes, or novelized hatred of all things effeminate?

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* RealWomenNeverWearDresses: RealWomenDontWearDresses: Katsa '''hates''' wearing dresses. Or anything feminine, really. Which leads to BrokenBase: Refreshing subversion of feminine stereotypes, or novelized hatred of all things effeminate?









* RealWomenNeverWearDresses: In direct contrast to Katsa, Fire subverts this. She's a musician, ''desperately'' wants children, does indeed wear dresses, and is mentioned to like flowers and flower arranging. And she's not much of an ActionGirl either, although she tries. However, she's hardly a wimp.

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* RealWomenNeverWearDresses: RealWomenDontWearDresses: In direct contrast to Katsa, Fire subverts this. She's a musician, ''desperately'' wants children, does indeed wear dresses, and is mentioned to like flowers and flower arranging. And she's not much of an ActionGirl either, although she tries. However, she's hardly a wimp.
18th Sep '13 2:39:12 PM Hodor
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* CaptainErsatz: Katsa is one of Katniss from TheHungerGames.
** Odds point to it being just a coincidence, as both books came out the same year.

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* CaptainErsatz: Katsa is one of Katniss from TheHungerGames.
** Odds point to it being just a coincidence, as both books came out the same year.
2nd May '13 6:12:58 PM reillymouse
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** Of course that's the kind of Grace that would take (Squick hopefully!) about sixteen years to discover, so an impatient king might declare them useless by then. As long as they're not stupid enough to go bragging about it, they should be fine.

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** Of course that's the kind of Grace that would take (Squick hopefully!) (hopefully!) about sixteen years to discover, so an impatient king might declare them useless by then. As long as they're not stupid enough to go bragging about it, they should be fine.
2nd May '13 6:12:47 PM reillymouse
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** Of course that's the kind of Grace that would take ({{Squick hopefully!}}) about sixteen years to discover, so an impatient king might declare them useless by then. As long as they're not stupid enough to go bragging about it, they should be fine.

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** Of course that's the kind of Grace that would take ({{Squick hopefully!}}) (Squick hopefully!) about sixteen years to discover, so an impatient king might declare them useless by then. As long as they're not stupid enough to go bragging about it, they should be fine.
2nd May '13 6:12:33 PM reillymouse
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** Of course that's the kind of Grace that would take ([[Squick hopefully!]]) about sixteen years to discover, so an impatient king might declare them useless by then. As long as they're not stupid enough to go bragging about it, they should be fine.

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** Of course that's the kind of Grace that would take ([[Squick hopefully!]]) ({{Squick hopefully!}}) about sixteen years to discover, so an impatient king might declare them useless by then. As long as they're not stupid enough to go bragging about it, they should be fine.
2nd May '13 6:12:13 PM reillymouse
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** Odds point to it being just a coincidence, as both books came out the same year.



** Of course that's the kind of Grace that would take ([[Squick hopefully!]]) about sixteen years to discover, so an impatient king might declare them useless by then. As long as they're not stupid enough to go bragging about it, they should be fine.



** [[spoiler: Confirmed]] as of ''Bitterblue''.

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** [[spoiler: Confirmed]] Confirmed as of ''Bitterblue''.




!!Subjective tropes in the spin-off ''Fire'':

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