History Ymmv / Graceling

24th Dec '14 11:42:59 AM ZombieMonster
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* HoYay: Raffin and Bann. According to WordOfGod, their canocity is her most frequently asked question.

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* HoYay: Raffin and Bann. According to WordOfGod, about their canocity relationship is her most frequently asked question.



** JustifiedTrope: Katsa's nature is that of a fighter, and she is most used to wearing clothes that are comfortable and suitable for fighting. Also, the fact that Randa forced her to pretend to be a lady while he toted her a weapon. On the inside she felt like a monster, not a lady, so it is natural that she would reject ladylike behaviours. The fact that Randa essentially used forced ladylike behaviours and clothing as a method of controlling her would also naturally lead to resentment of all things feminine.

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** JustifiedTrope: Katsa's nature is that of a fighter, and she is most used to wearing clothes that are comfortable and suitable for fighting. Also, the fact that Randa forced her to pretend to be a lady while he toted her a weapon. On the inside she felt like a monster, not a lady, so it is natural that she would reject ladylike behaviours. behaviors. The fact that Randa essentially used forced ladylike behaviours behaviors and clothing as a method of controlling her would also naturally lead to resentment of all things feminine.



* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: Despite the 14+ rating, there are a couple of (nondescript) sex scenes in this novel. This has become a subject of controvery among Amazon reviewers.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: Despite the 14+ rating, there are a couple of (nondescript) sex scenes in this novel. This has become a subject of controvery controversy among Amazon reviewers.
16th Nov '14 4:45:45 AM GothicProphet
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* WhatAnIdiot: Brocker? [[spoiler: You shouldn't have shacked up with your mad king's wife, okay?]]

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* WhatAnIdiot: Brocker? [[spoiler: You shouldn't have shacked up with your mad king's wife, okay?]]okay?]]
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3rd Sep '14 9:10:33 PM Angeldeb82
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* RealWomenNeverWearDresses: Katsa '''hates''' wearing dresses. Or anything feminine, really. Which leads to BrokenBase: Refreshing subversion of feminine stereotypes, or novelized hatred of all things effeminate?

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* RealWomenNeverWearDresses: RealWomenDontWearDresses: Katsa '''hates''' wearing dresses. Or anything feminine, really. Which leads to BrokenBase: Refreshing subversion of feminine stereotypes, or novelized hatred of all things effeminate?









* RealWomenNeverWearDresses: In direct contrast to Katsa, Fire subverts this. She's a musician, ''desperately'' wants children, does indeed wear dresses, and is mentioned to like flowers and flower arranging. And she's not much of an ActionGirl either, although she tries. However, she's hardly a wimp.

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* RealWomenNeverWearDresses: RealWomenDontWearDresses: In direct contrast to Katsa, Fire subverts this. She's a musician, ''desperately'' wants children, does indeed wear dresses, and is mentioned to like flowers and flower arranging. And she's not much of an ActionGirl either, although she tries. However, she's hardly a wimp.
18th Sep '13 2:39:12 PM Hodor
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* CaptainErsatz: Katsa is one of Katniss from TheHungerGames.
** Odds point to it being just a coincidence, as both books came out the same year.

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* CaptainErsatz: Katsa is one of Katniss from TheHungerGames.
** Odds point to it being just a coincidence, as both books came out the same year.
2nd May '13 6:12:58 PM reillymouse
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** Of course that's the kind of Grace that would take (Squick hopefully!) about sixteen years to discover, so an impatient king might declare them useless by then. As long as they're not stupid enough to go bragging about it, they should be fine.

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** Of course that's the kind of Grace that would take (Squick hopefully!) (hopefully!) about sixteen years to discover, so an impatient king might declare them useless by then. As long as they're not stupid enough to go bragging about it, they should be fine.
2nd May '13 6:12:47 PM reillymouse
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** Of course that's the kind of Grace that would take ({{Squick hopefully!}}) about sixteen years to discover, so an impatient king might declare them useless by then. As long as they're not stupid enough to go bragging about it, they should be fine.

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** Of course that's the kind of Grace that would take ({{Squick hopefully!}}) (Squick hopefully!) about sixteen years to discover, so an impatient king might declare them useless by then. As long as they're not stupid enough to go bragging about it, they should be fine.
2nd May '13 6:12:33 PM reillymouse
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** Of course that's the kind of Grace that would take ([[Squick hopefully!]]) about sixteen years to discover, so an impatient king might declare them useless by then. As long as they're not stupid enough to go bragging about it, they should be fine.

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** Of course that's the kind of Grace that would take ([[Squick hopefully!]]) ({{Squick hopefully!}}) about sixteen years to discover, so an impatient king might declare them useless by then. As long as they're not stupid enough to go bragging about it, they should be fine.
2nd May '13 6:12:13 PM reillymouse
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** Odds point to it being just a coincidence, as both books came out the same year.



** Of course that's the kind of Grace that would take ([[Squick hopefully!]]) about sixteen years to discover, so an impatient king might declare them useless by then. As long as they're not stupid enough to go bragging about it, they should be fine.



** [[spoiler: Confirmed]] as of ''Bitterblue''.

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** [[spoiler: Confirmed]] Confirmed as of ''Bitterblue''.




!!Subjective tropes in the spin-off ''Fire'':

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\n!!Subjective tropes in the spin-off ''Fire'':
12th Mar '13 10:32:44 PM Redazrael
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** JustifiedTrope: Katsa's nature is that of a fighter, and she is most used to wearing clothes that are comfortable and suitable for fighting. Also, the fact that Randa forced her to pretend to be a lady while he toted her a weapon. On the inside she felt like a monster, not a lady, so it is natural that she would reject ladylike behaviours.

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** JustifiedTrope: Katsa's nature is that of a fighter, and she is most used to wearing clothes that are comfortable and suitable for fighting. Also, the fact that Randa forced her to pretend to be a lady while he toted her a weapon. On the inside she felt like a monster, not a lady, so it is natural that she would reject ladylike behaviours. The fact that Randa essentially used forced ladylike behaviours and clothing as a method of controlling her would also naturally lead to resentment of all things feminine.
* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Part in parcel with the BrokenBase. While there are those who don't like the vehement rejection of marriage and motherhood that Katsa displays in the book, many have expressed appreciation for a female lead who not only ''averts'' the standardized HappilyMarried and BabiesEverAfter ending, but firmly ''rejects'' it. A woman who flat-out does not want children and has zero desire to be a mother is often considered odd even in today's world, sometimes to the point of encountering hostility regarding her decision and views, so there are those who found it gratifying to finally have a female protagonist who was not only firmly ''against'' personally having children, but did not fall prey to the MandatoryMotherhood trope.
30th Jan '13 3:03:36 AM Froghammer
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* CaptainErsatz: Katsa is one of Katniss from TheHungerGames.
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