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17th Jan '18 9:03:18 AM Chasem
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** The fandom also overlaps greatly with the ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' fandom. Both franchises are superficially very similar, as they achieved much of their popularity with kids around the TurnOfTheMillenium with an anime dubbed by Creator/FourKidsEntertainment in the west[[note]]both dubs are considered to be among [=4Kids'=] better/more tolerable works[[/note]] and a trading card game, and achieved a notable fanbase of nostalgic adults as the original child fanbase grew up. Both franchises also have powerful dragon characters that became heavily-hyped franchise staples and among the most sought-after cards in their respective [=TCGs=], with Blue-Eyes White Dragon and Red-Eyes Black Dragon for ''Yu-Gi-Oh!'' and Charizard for ''Pokémon''.

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** The fandom also overlaps greatly with the ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' fandom. Both franchises are superficially very similar, as they achieved much of their popularity with kids around the TurnOfTheMillenium turn of the millennium with an anime dubbed by Creator/FourKidsEntertainment in the west[[note]]both dubs are considered to be among [=4Kids'=] better/more tolerable works[[/note]] and a trading card game, and achieved a notable fanbase of nostalgic adults as the original child fanbase grew up. Both franchises also have powerful dragon characters that became heavily-hyped franchise staples and among the most sought-after cards in their respective [=TCGs=], with Blue-Eyes White Dragon and Red-Eyes Black Dragon for ''Yu-Gi-Oh!'' and Charizard for ''Pokémon''.
17th Jan '18 9:02:53 AM Chasem
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* FriendlyFandoms: Quite the overlap has formed between fans of the ''Yu-Gi-Oh!'' franchise and those of the ''Franchise/DragonBall'' franchise. A major part of this is that both series' [[WebVideo/YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries abridged]] [[WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged versions]] are in close collaboration with each other, but on the official side of things, the mid-2010s saw both franchises get new anime installments in the form of ''Anime/YuGiOhArcV'' and ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' as well as new movies. It also helps that they aired concurrently for a good chunk of their runs, broadcasting new episodes within hours of each other each week.

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Quite the overlap has formed between fans of the ''Yu-Gi-Oh!'' franchise and those of the ''Franchise/DragonBall'' franchise. A major part of this is that both series' [[WebVideo/YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries abridged]] [[WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged versions]] are in close collaboration with each other, but on the official side of things, the mid-2010s saw both franchises get new anime installments in the form of ''Anime/YuGiOhArcV'' and ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' as well as new movies. It also helps that they aired concurrently for a good chunk of their runs, broadcasting new episodes within hours of each other each week.week.
** The fandom also overlaps greatly with the ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' fandom. Both franchises are superficially very similar, as they achieved much of their popularity with kids around the TurnOfTheMillenium with an anime dubbed by Creator/FourKidsEntertainment in the west[[note]]both dubs are considered to be among [=4Kids'=] better/more tolerable works[[/note]] and a trading card game, and achieved a notable fanbase of nostalgic adults as the original child fanbase grew up. Both franchises also have powerful dragon characters that became heavily-hyped franchise staples and among the most sought-after cards in their respective [=TCGs=], with Blue-Eyes White Dragon and Red-Eyes Black Dragon for ''Yu-Gi-Oh!'' and Charizard for ''Pokémon''.
17th Jan '18 8:54:48 AM Chasem
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* AnimationAgeGhetto: ''Yu-Gi-Oh!'' has a bizarre relationship with this trope. The series was first aired on Creator/KidsWB in [=4Kids'=] typical heavily {{bowdlerize}}d kid-friendly style, and became a big hit with the preteen demographic. However, the series was originally conceived for the teenage {{shonen}} demographic, and [=4Kids=] reflected this by releasing a few uncut [=DVDs=] of the show with both the original Japanese and a brand-new dub. The [=DVDs=] were an AcclaimedFlop and their sales paled in comparison to the "standard" dub, which is widely believed to be what compelled [=4Kids=] to start their practice of never releasing the uncensored Japanese versions of their series. Nontheless, [=4Kids=] and later Konami began officially releasing the uncensored Japanese version of the series and its sequels online over time, which became more popular as the franchise's original kid demographic grew up. While each series has both a dubbed and subtitled version available legally in the West, the dubs are generally family-friendly and marketed towards all ages[[note]]the dub of ''Anime/YuGiOhTheDarkSideOfDimensions'' retains a lot of the signature bowdlerization but leaves out some of the more ridiculous censorship like with handguns[[/note]] while the subs are always uncensored and marketed more to the older fans, though older fans aren't prohibited from liking both. Meanwhile, the manga is a shonen manga marketed at kids in Japan despite copious amounts of blood, swearing, and horrific elements.

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* AnimationAgeGhetto: ''Yu-Gi-Oh!'' has a bizarre relationship with this trope. The series was first aired on Creator/KidsWB in [=4Kids'=] typical heavily {{bowdlerize}}d kid-friendly style, and became a big hit with the preteen demographic. However, the series was originally conceived for the teenage {{shonen}} demographic, and [=4Kids=] reflected this by releasing a few uncut [=DVDs=] of the show with both the original Japanese and a brand-new dub. The [=DVDs=] were an AcclaimedFlop and their sales paled in comparison to the "standard" dub, which is widely believed to be what compelled [=4Kids=] to start their infamous practice of never releasing the uncensored Japanese versions of their series. Nontheless, [=4Kids=] and later Konami began officially releasing the uncensored Japanese version of the series and its sequels online over time, which became more popular as the franchise's original kid demographic grew up. While each series has both a dubbed and subtitled version available legally in the West, the dubs are generally family-friendly and marketed towards all ages[[note]]the dub of ''Anime/YuGiOhTheDarkSideOfDimensions'' retains a lot of the signature bowdlerization but leaves out some of the more ridiculous censorship like with handguns[[/note]] while the subs are always uncensored and marketed more to the older fans, though older fans aren't prohibited from liking both. Meanwhile, the manga is a shonen manga marketed at kids in Japan despite copious amounts of blood, swearing, and horrific elements.
17th Jan '18 8:54:01 AM Chasem
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* AnimationAgeGhetto: ''Yu-Gi-Oh!'' has a bizarre relationship with this trope. The series was first aired on Creator/KidsWB in [=4Kids'=] typical heavily {{bowdlerize}}d kid-friendly style, and became a big hit with the preteen demographic. However, the series was originally conceived for the teenage {{shonen}} demographic, and [=4Kids=] reflected this by releasing a few uncut [=DVDs=] of the show with both the original Japanese and a brand-new dub. The [=DVDs=] were an AcclaimedFlop and their sales paled in comparison to the "standard" dub, which is widely believed to be what compelled [=4Kids=] to start their practice of never releasing the uncensored Japanese versions of their series. Nontheless, [=4Kids=] and later Konami began officially releasing the uncensored Japanese version of the series and its sequels online over time, which became more popular as the franchise's original kid demographic grew up. While each series has both a dubbed and subtitled version available legally in the West, the dubs are generally family-friendly while the subs are always uncensored and marketed to the older fans, though older fans aren't prohibited from liking both. Meanwhile, the manga is a shonen manga marketed at kids in Japan despite copious amounts of blood, swearing, and horrific elements.

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* AnimationAgeGhetto: ''Yu-Gi-Oh!'' has a bizarre relationship with this trope. The series was first aired on Creator/KidsWB in [=4Kids'=] typical heavily {{bowdlerize}}d kid-friendly style, and became a big hit with the preteen demographic. However, the series was originally conceived for the teenage {{shonen}} demographic, and [=4Kids=] reflected this by releasing a few uncut [=DVDs=] of the show with both the original Japanese and a brand-new dub. The [=DVDs=] were an AcclaimedFlop and their sales paled in comparison to the "standard" dub, which is widely believed to be what compelled [=4Kids=] to start their practice of never releasing the uncensored Japanese versions of their series. Nontheless, [=4Kids=] and later Konami began officially releasing the uncensored Japanese version of the series and its sequels online over time, which became more popular as the franchise's original kid demographic grew up. While each series has both a dubbed and subtitled version available legally in the West, the dubs are generally family-friendly and marketed towards all ages[[note]]the dub of ''Anime/YuGiOhTheDarkSideOfDimensions'' retains a lot of the signature bowdlerization but leaves out some of the more ridiculous censorship like with handguns[[/note]] while the subs are always uncensored and marketed more to the older fans, though older fans aren't prohibited from liking both. Meanwhile, the manga is a shonen manga marketed at kids in Japan despite copious amounts of blood, swearing, and horrific elements.
16th Jan '18 1:10:10 PM lalalei2001
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* AnimationAgeGhetto: ''Yu-Gi-Oh!'' has a bizarre relationship with this trope. The series was first aired on Creator/KidsWB in [=4Kids'=] typical heavily {{bowdlerize}}d kid-friendly style, and became a big hit with the preteen demographic. However, the series was originally conceived for the teenage {{shonen}} demographic, and [=4Kids=] reflected this by releasing a few uncut DVD's of the show with both the original Japanese and a brand-new dub. The DVD's were an AcclaimedFlop and their sales paled in comparison to the "standard" dub, which is widely believed to be what compelled [=4Kids=] to start their reviled practice of never releasing the uncensored Japanese versions of their series. Nontheless, [=4Kids=] and later Konami began officially releasing the uncensored Japanese version of the series and its sequels online over time, which became more popular as the franchise's original kid demographic grew up. While each series has both a dubbed and subtitled version available legally in the West, the dubs are always family-friendly while the subs are always uncensored and marketed to the older fans.

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* AnimationAgeGhetto: ''Yu-Gi-Oh!'' has a bizarre relationship with this trope. The series was first aired on Creator/KidsWB in [=4Kids'=] typical heavily {{bowdlerize}}d kid-friendly style, and became a big hit with the preteen demographic. However, the series was originally conceived for the teenage {{shonen}} demographic, and [=4Kids=] reflected this by releasing a few uncut DVD's [=DVDs=] of the show with both the original Japanese and a brand-new dub. The DVD's [=DVDs=] were an AcclaimedFlop and their sales paled in comparison to the "standard" dub, which is widely believed to be what compelled [=4Kids=] to start their reviled practice of never releasing the uncensored Japanese versions of their series. Nontheless, [=4Kids=] and later Konami began officially releasing the uncensored Japanese version of the series and its sequels online over time, which became more popular as the franchise's original kid demographic grew up. While each series has both a dubbed and subtitled version available legally in the West, the dubs are always generally family-friendly while the subs are always uncensored and marketed to the older fans.fans, though older fans aren't prohibited from liking both. Meanwhile, the manga is a shonen manga marketed at kids in Japan despite copious amounts of blood, swearing, and horrific elements.
16th Jan '18 1:00:56 PM Chasem
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* AnimationAgeGhetto: ''Yu-Gi-Oh!'' has a bizarre relationship with this trope. The series was first aired on Creator/KidsWB in [=4Kids'=] typical heavily {{bowdlerize}}d kid-friendly style, and became a big hit with the preteen demographic. However, the series was originally conceived for the teenage {{shonen}} demographic, and [=4Kids=] reflected this by releasing a few uncut DVD's of the show with both the original Japanese and a brand-new dub. The DVD's were an AcclaimedFlop and their sales paled in comparison to the "standard" dub, which is widely believed to be what compelled [=4Kids=] to start their reviled practice of never releasing the uncensored Japanese versions of their series. Nontheless, [=4Kids=] and later Konami began officially releasing the uncensored Japanese version of the series and its sequels online over time, which became more popular as the franchise's original kid demographic grew up. While each series has both a dubbed and subtitled version available legally in the West, the dubs are always family-friendly while the subs are always uncensored and marketed to the older fans.
11th Jan '18 10:13:06 PM lalalei2001
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* MoralEventHorizon:
** Dark Marik crossed it when he [[spoiler:tortured Mai in a Shadow Game duel and then trapping her inside her own mind/sending her soul to the Shadow Realm after defeating her.]] It was always only going to be a matter of time though...
** Dark Bakura crossed it in the past for his various KickTheDog moments, such as [[spoiler:desecrating Atem's father's tomb, killing Atem's best friend, reversing time to remove the HopeSpot of ThePowerOfFriendship and overall planning to use Zorc Necrophades to kill everyone]].



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Hirutani, who was the only villain from the Shadow Games Arc aside from Kaiba to have a recurring role, and his last appearance implied that it wouldn't be the last time we'd see him. It would have been interesting to see him as Jonouchi's personal rival, but once the series focused on Duel Monsters full-time, he was written out of the series.
** To a lesser extent, Ryo Bakura (the normal one) and Ryuji Otogi don't get much direct gaming action after their initial arcs, despite being the only members of the group other than Yugi to be naturally good at games in general. Ryo is shown to have good deck-building skills when it comes to Duel Monsters (his Occult deck is a force to be reckoned with) and is brainwashed by Marik to become a participant of the Battle City tournament, but Dark Bakura is the one that actually duels. With Ryuji Otogi, not only does he sit out of the Battle City tournament as a mere spectator, but he's temporarily PutOnABus during the Shadow RPG. The second series anime actually took the opportunity to give Ryuji (albeit his character is basically a different person in the anime) some dueling action that he didn't get in the manga during the filler arcs, but they don't give the same treatment to Ryo - [[DemotedToExtra he's not even physically present]] - despite Doma and Kaiba Grand Prix taking place during a rare interval where anime!Ryo ''isn't'' [[HydePlaysJekyll completely possessed by Dark Bakura]]. While Ryo is given plenty of exposure as himself in the manga, it is a shame he never gets to play any game, much less Duel Monsters, after Monster World without his Dark side taking the center stage.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
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Hirutani, who was the only villain from the Shadow Games Arc arc aside from Kaiba to have a recurring role, and his last appearance implied that it wouldn't be the last time we'd see him. It would have been interesting to see him as Jonouchi's personal rival, but once the series focused on Duel Monsters full-time, he was written out of the series.
** To a lesser extent, Ryo Bakura (the normal one) and Ryuji Otogi don't get much direct gaming action attention after their initial arcs, despite being the only members of the group other than Yugi to be naturally good at games in general. Ryo is shown to have good deck-building skills when it comes to Duel Monsters (his Occult deck is a force to be reckoned with) and is brainwashed by Marik to become a participant of the Battle City tournament, but Dark Bakura is the one that actually duels. With Ryuji Otogi, not only does he sit out of the Battle City tournament as a mere spectator, but he's temporarily PutOnABus during the Shadow RPG. The second series anime actually took the opportunity to give Ryuji (albeit his character is basically a different person in the anime) some dueling action that he didn't get in the manga during the filler arcs, but they don't give the same treatment to Ryo - [[DemotedToExtra he's not even physically present]] - despite Doma and Kaiba Grand Prix taking place during a rare interval where anime!Ryo ''isn't'' [[HydePlaysJekyll completely possessed by Dark Bakura]]. While Ryo is given plenty of exposure as himself present in the manga, it is a shame he never gets to Shadow RPG, and neither of them play any game, much less Duel Monsters, ''any'' games after Monster World without his Dark side taking the center stage.their introductions.



* MagnificentBastard: Dartz from the Doma arc, whose entire plot is an ages long GambitRoulette.

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* MagnificentBastard: Dartz from the Doma arc, whose entire plot is an ages long 10,000 years of a GambitRoulette.



** You always knew that Dartz would dispose of any of his servants at anytime and that his plan involved the sacrifice of billions of monster and human souls from several millennia, [[spoiler:but to find out that he messed with his three subordinates' childhoods just for them to join him while blaming it on someone else]] that proved how sick he was.

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** You always knew that Dartz would dispose of any of his servants at anytime any time and that his plan involved the sacrifice of billions of monster and human souls from several millennia, [[spoiler:but to find out that he messed with his three subordinates' childhoods just for to make them to join him while blaming it on someone else]] that proved proves how sick he was.



* SignatureScene: From the second anime adaptation, there's Dark Yugi defeating Kaiba with Exodia in the first episode. The smiley scene also counts to a lesser extent.

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* SignatureScene: From the second anime adaptation, anime, there's Dark Yugi defeating Kaiba with Exodia in the first episode. The smiley scene also counts to a lesser extent.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: When Jonouchi loses to Yami Marik at Battle City, he falls comatose as he struggles to survive, and has a flashback to a tournament he entered before Duelist Kingdom (in the dub, he's fighting to not fall into the Shadow Realm and is hallucinating). Jonouchi winning the tournament would have provided great symbolism for him overcoming Marik's powers and surviving, particularly since his opponent's ace monster is Metal Dragon, paralleling Marik's Winged Dragon of Ra as a mechanical dragon. Instead he loses the tournament and wakes up anyway because it still reminded him of his vow to become a true duelist.
** The nature of the entire anime series arguably qualifies. The fact that it focuses on the fans of a card game, rather than the monster-filled world ''within'' that card game, comes off as a wasted opportunity for some people.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: When Jonouchi loses to Yami Marik at Battle City, he falls comatose as he struggles to survive, and has a flashback to a tournament he entered before Duelist Kingdom (in the dub, he's fighting to not fall into the Shadow Realm and is hallucinating). Jonouchi winning the tournament would have provided great symbolism for him overcoming Marik's powers and surviving, particularly since his opponent's ace monster is Metal Dragon, paralleling Marik's Winged Dragon of Ra as a mechanical dragon. Instead he loses the tournament and wakes up anyway because it still reminded him of his vow to become a true duelist.
** The nature of the entire anime series arguably qualifies. The fact that it focuses on the fans of a card game, rather than the monster-filled world ''within'' that card game, comes off as a wasted opportunity for some people.
duelist.



** Mokuba is this in certain countries, due to the fact that some dubs gave him a very girly voice. His OppositeSexClone Princess Adina does not help at all.
* VindicatedByHistory: Much like the Anime/GhostStories dub, the 4kids dub has, in time, gone from widely despised for its liberties with the source material to considered hilarious and prone to NarmCharm for the same, with excellent voice acting performances, plenty of {{Woolseyism}}, and generally absolutely ''running'' with how ridiculous the premise and characters can be instead of playing it straight and seriously. While many of their later dubs remain rightfully divisive, this is a pretty frequent exception.

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** Mokuba is this in certain countries, due to the fact that some dubs gave him a very girly voice. His OppositeSexClone Princess Adina Adena does not help at all.
* VindicatedByHistory: Much like the Anime/GhostStories ''Anime/GhostStories'' dub, the 4kids dub has, in time, gone from widely despised for its liberties with the source material to considered hilarious and prone to NarmCharm for the same, with excellent voice acting performances, plenty of {{Woolseyism}}, and generally absolutely ''running'' with how ridiculous the premise and characters can be instead of playing it straight and seriously. While many of their later dubs remain rightfully divisive, this is a pretty frequent exception.



** The name Maximilian Pegasus is a plausible English language name. Pegasus J. Crawford... not so much.
** "The Heart of the Cards" was something made up for the English dub, explaining that a duelist can draw the rights in a tight spot by believing in their deck and themselves and their cards will respond to that, which ended up being justified in the spin-offs where a duelist's bond with their deck gets more attention. In the Japanese version, they're hoping to get lucky and explicitly ask the "Goddess of Luck" to help them out.

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** The name Maximilian Maximillion Pegasus is a plausible English language name. Pegasus J. Crawford... not so much.
** "The Heart of the Cards" was something made up for the English dub, explaining that a duelist can draw the rights in a tight spot by believing in their deck and themselves and their cards will respond to that, which that. It ended up being justified in the spin-offs where a duelist's bond with their deck gets more attention. attention and can draw the right cards at the right times. In the Japanese version, they're hoping to get lucky and explicitly ask the "Goddess of Luck" to help them out.
out, which stretches the suspense of disbelief when it keeps happening.
11th Jan '18 10:00:46 PM DrakeClawfang
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** "The Heart of the Cards" was something made up for the English dub to explain why the heroes kept getting the right cards when in a tight spot, rather than it just being luck like in the Japanese version.

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** "The Heart of the Cards" was something made up for the English dub to explain why dub, explaining that a duelist can draw the heroes kept getting the right cards when rights in a tight spot, rather than it just spot by believing in their deck and themselves and their cards will respond to that, which ended up being luck like justified in the spin-offs where a duelist's bond with their deck gets more attention. In the Japanese version.
version, they're hoping to get lucky and explicitly ask the "Goddess of Luck" to help them out.
11th Jan '18 9:52:56 PM DrakeClawfang
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** The Creator/FourKidsEntertainment dub receives mixed reactions in the fandom. There are many who decry the edits, saying that the unneeded dialog changes, ridiculous {{Bowdlerization}}, and removing of several subplots (Jonouchi/Joey's goal in Battle City is completely changed) ruins the series and creates several {{Dub Induced Plot Hole}}s. However, others don't mind, believing the original show was ridiculous anyway or that they at least put effort in the production compared to the later series. Some even prefer the dub because of the WorldOfHam coming from Creator/DanGreen and co. There are also those who think the general {{Deadpan Snarker}}y actually makes the dub ''more'' faithful to the manga personality-wise. For those not fond of the various series' dubs, Konami provides official, uncensored subtitled versions on the official ''Yu-Gi-Oh!'' website.

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** The Creator/FourKidsEntertainment dub receives mixed reactions in the fandom. There are many who decry the edits, saying that the unneeded dialog changes, ridiculous {{Bowdlerization}}, and removing of several subplots (Jonouchi/Joey's goal in Battle City is completely changed) ruins the series and creates several {{Dub Induced Plot Hole}}s. However, others don't mind, believing the original show was ridiculous anyway or that they at least put effort in the production compared to the later series.series, and as {{Woolseyism}} further down explains, some preferred the dub's storyline changes. Some even prefer the dub because of the WorldOfHam coming from Creator/DanGreen and co. There are also those who think the general {{Deadpan Snarker}}y actually makes the dub ''more'' faithful to the manga personality-wise. For those not fond of the various series' dubs, Konami provides official, uncensored subtitled versions on the official ''Yu-Gi-Oh!'' website.
11th Jan '18 7:30:09 PM Loekman3
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** The dub had Seto beat Gozaburo at chess through memorizing his strategies so he knows how to counter them, and he also has a stronger desire to win motivating him. In the original Japanese anime and the manga, he cheated to win. Cheating at chess is [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating_in_chess nearly impossible]] to begin with, and as a professional chess player, Gozaburo should have noticed any foul play Seto tried to pull during the game.
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