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* TheScrappy: Carmela was very popular at first as a BadassNormal sidekick, but in ''Wizards at War'' and especially ''A Wizard of Mars'' many fans turned on her, accusing her of having become a CreatorsPet with Duane having to do more and more ridiculous hair-splitting of the series' terminology to explain how she can do so much wizard stuff without actually being a wizard (which also has the side effect of making it seem like there's literally no upside to becoming a wizard to balance out the constant life risking on difficult assignments). Many fans also take issue with her borderline sexual harassment of Ronan and occasionally some others, saying there's no way anyone would accept this coming from a male character.
* TooCoolToLive: [[spoiler: Romeo]]
* UglyCute: Memeki

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* TheScrappy: Carmela was very popular at first as a BadassNormal sidekick, but in ''Wizards at War'' and especially ''A Wizard of Mars'' Mars'', many fans turned on her, accusing her of having become a CreatorsPet with Duane having to do more and more ridiculous hair-splitting of the series' terminology to explain how she can do so much wizard stuff without actually being a wizard (which also has the side effect of making it seem like there's literally no upside to becoming a wizard to balance out the constant life risking on difficult assignments). Many fans also take issue with her borderline sexual harassment of Ronan and occasionally some others, saying there's no way anyone would accept this coming from a male character.
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** In the biggest change of all, the NME of ''A Wizard Alone'' has Darryl's autism not be cured by his Ordeal, as people had started seriously frowning on a real life neurodiversity being cured by magic.

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** In the biggest change of all, the NME of ''A Wizard Alone'' has Darryl's autism not be cured by his Ordeal, as people had started seriously frowning on a real life real-life neurodiversity being cured by magic.magic.
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* LesYay: A lot between Dairine and Merhnaz.

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* BrokenBase:''A Wizard Abroad'' is a very contested book, with some fans loving the in-depth depiction of Ireland that came from Duane now living there, and others accusing it of feeling like it was written just to show off all the stuff she'd found out about the country rather than to tell an interesting story. It also doesn't help that her spellings of Irish words are very inconsistent.

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* BrokenBase:''A BrokenBase: ''A Wizard Abroad'' is a very contested book, with some fans loving the in-depth depiction of Ireland that came from Duane now living there, and others accusing it of feeling like it was written just to show off all the stuff she'd found out about the country rather than to tell an interesting story. It also doesn't help that her spellings of Irish words are very inconsistent.
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* NarmCharm: Kit and Nita taking so long to get in touch with each other during ''Wizard's Dilemma'' can feel very wearying, but looked at from the perspective of stressed and traumatized teenagers, it really hammers in how much they're going through.
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* BadassDecay: JustifiedTrope. Dairine starts off with a greater amount of power than her sister when she becomes a wizard n the third book and then falls to just above normal in the fifth. This fall is normal and expected; ''every'' wizard starts off with greater power for their initial ordeal. By the time the power drops off, their skill and knowledge increases.

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* BadassDecay: JustifiedTrope. Dairine starts off with a greater amount of power than her sister when she becomes a wizard n the third book and then falls to just above normal in the fifth. This fall is normal and expected; ''every'' wizard starts off with greater power for their initial ordeal. By the time the power drops off, their skill and knowledge increases.
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** In the biggest change of all, the NME of ''A Wizard Alone'' has Darryl's autism not be cured by his Ordeal, as people had started seriously frowning on a real life disability being cured by magic.

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** In the biggest change of all, the NME of ''A Wizard Alone'' has Darryl's autism not be cured by his Ordeal, as people had started seriously frowning on a real life disability neurodiversity being cured by magic.
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** In the biggest change of all, the NME of ''A Wizard Alone'' has Darryl's autism not be cured by his Ordeal, as people had started seriously frowning on a real life disability being cured by magic.
* WordOfGay: Tom and Carl, [[FlipFlopOfGod possibly]]. Testimony has Duane confirming to a small audience at a reading that Carl and Tom are indeed a gay couple -- but added at the same time that she'd never say so explicitly in the books", but then after that[[http://dduane.tumblr.com/post/68107969489/hey-diane-i-have-a-question-what-is-tom- denied being too detailed about their relationship for the sake of the privacy of the people they're based off of]].
** Following the passing of the real life Tom and Carl, she has [[http://dduane.tumblr.com/post/177767909111/having-read-that-tribute-to-tom-i-guess-i-know officially confirmed]] that they are a couple. However, she has no timeline on when or if they will come out in the books.

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** In the biggest change of all, the NME of ''A Wizard Alone'' has Darryl's autism not be cured by his Ordeal, as people had started seriously frowning on a real life disability being cured by magic.
* WordOfGay: Tom and Carl, [[FlipFlopOfGod possibly]]. Testimony has Duane confirming to a small audience at a reading that Carl and Tom are indeed a gay couple -- but added at the same time that she'd never say so explicitly in the books", but then after that[[http://dduane.tumblr.com/post/68107969489/hey-diane-i-have-a-question-what-is-tom- denied being too detailed about their relationship for the sake of the privacy of the people they're based off of]].
** Following the passing of the real life Tom and Carl, she has [[http://dduane.tumblr.com/post/177767909111/having-read-that-tribute-to-tom-i-guess-i-know officially confirmed]] that they are a couple. However, she has no timeline on when or if they will come out in the books.
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Requires two or more sides, not just ones complaints. And Woobie cleanup.


* BaseBreaker:
** Roshaun was intended to at first be an unlikable character whose HiddenDepths would redeem him. Trouble is, he's ''such'' a gratuitously over the top RoyalBrat throughout most of ''Wizard's Holiday'' that many fans balked at being expected to completely forgive it all just because of the reveal, especially since he never actually shows any remorse for it.
** Carmela was very popular at first as a BadassNormal sidekick, but in ''Wizards at War'' and especially ''A Wizard of Mars'' many fans turned on her, accusing her of having become a CreatorsPet with Duane having to do more and more ridiculous hair-splitting of the series' terminology to explain how she can do so much wizard stuff without actually being a wizard (which also has the side effect of making it seem like there's literally no upside to becoming a wizard to balance out the constant life risking on difficult assignments). Many fans also take issue with her borderline sexual harassment of Ronan and occasionally some others, saying there's no way anyone would accept this coming from a male character.
* BrokenBase:
** ''A Wizard Abroad'' is a very contested book, with some fans loving the in-depth depiction of Ireland that came from Duane now living there, and others accusing it of feeling like it was written just to show off all the stuff she'd found out about the country rather than to tell an interesting story. It also doesn't help that her spellings of Irish words are very inconsistent.
** ''A Wizard of Mars'' is even more so. Besides the above-mentioned stuff with Carmella, many fans also take issue with how the plot is driven entirely by PoorCommunicationKills, only about half of which can be explained by the mind control Kit is under. Nita and Kit's RelationshipUpgrade is another controversial point, as a lot of fans had been enjoying them as a rare male/female partnership who had nothing romantic between them.

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* BaseBreaker:
** Roshaun was intended to at first be an unlikable character whose HiddenDepths would redeem him. Trouble is, he's ''such'' a gratuitously over the top RoyalBrat throughout most of ''Wizard's Holiday'' that many fans balked at being expected to completely forgive it all just because of the reveal, especially since he never actually shows any remorse for it.
** Carmela was very popular at first as a BadassNormal sidekick, but in ''Wizards at War'' and especially ''A Wizard of Mars'' many fans turned on her, accusing her of having become a CreatorsPet with Duane having to do more and more ridiculous hair-splitting of the series' terminology to explain how she can do so much wizard stuff without actually being a wizard (which also has the side effect of making it seem like there's literally no upside to becoming a wizard to balance out the constant life risking on difficult assignments). Many fans also take issue with her borderline sexual harassment of Ronan and occasionally some others, saying there's no way anyone would accept this coming from a male character.
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BrokenBase:''A Wizard Abroad'' is a very contested book, with some fans loving the in-depth depiction of Ireland that came from Duane now living there, and others accusing it of feeling like it was written just to show off all the stuff she'd found out about the country rather than to tell an interesting story. It also doesn't help that her spellings of Irish words are very inconsistent.
** ''A Wizard of Mars'' is even more so. Besides the above-mentioned stuff with Carmella, many fans also take issue with how the plot is driven entirely by PoorCommunicationKills, only about half of which can be explained by the mind control Kit is under. Nita and Kit's RelationshipUpgrade is another controversial point, as a lot of fans had been enjoying them as a rare male/female partnership who had nothing romantic between them.
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* JerkassWoobie: Nolan.



* [[spoiler: TooCoolToLive: Romeo]]

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* [[spoiler: TheScrappy: Carmela was very popular at first as a BadassNormal sidekick, but in ''Wizards at War'' and especially ''A Wizard of Mars'' many fans turned on her, accusing her of having become a CreatorsPet with Duane having to do more and more ridiculous hair-splitting of the series' terminology to explain how she can do so much wizard stuff without actually being a wizard (which also has the side effect of making it seem like there's literally no upside to becoming a wizard to balance out the constant life risking on difficult assignments). Many fans also take issue with her borderline sexual harassment of Ronan and occasionally some others, saying there's no way anyone would accept this coming from a male character.
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TooCoolToLive: [[spoiler: Romeo]]



* TheWoobie: Darryl, Khretef, Mehrnaz

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* TheWoobie: Darryl, Khretef, MehrnazUnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Roshaun was intended to at first be an unlikable character whose HiddenDepths would redeem him. Trouble is, he's ''such'' a gratuitously over the top RoyalBrat throughout most of ''Wizard's Holiday'' that many fans balked at being expected to completely forgive it all just because of the reveal, especially since he never actually shows any remorse for it.
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* WordOfGay: Tom and Carl, [[FlipFlopOfGod possibly]]. Testimony has Duane confirming to a small audience at a reading that Carl and Tom are indeed a gay couple -- but added at the same time that she'd never say so explicitly in the books", but then after that[[http://dduane.tumblr.com/post/68107969489/hey-diane-i-have-a-question-what-is-tom- denied being too detailed about their relationship for the sake of the privacy of the people they're based off of]].

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* WordOfGay: Tom and Carl, [[FlipFlopOfGod possibly]]. Testimony has Duane confirming to a small audience at a reading that Carl and Tom are indeed a gay couple -- but added at the same time that she'd never say so explicitly in the books", but then after that[[http://dduane.tumblr.com/post/68107969489/hey-diane-i-have-a-question-what-is-tom- denied being too detailed about their relationship for the sake of the privacy of the people they're based off of]].of]].
** Following the passing of the real life Tom and Carl, she has [[http://dduane.tumblr.com/post/177767909111/having-read-that-tribute-to-tom-i-guess-i-know officially confirmed]] that they are a couple. However, she has no timeline on when or if they will come out in the books.
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* LesYay: A lot between Dairine and Merhnaz.
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** Kit talking about Penn "throwing shade." It very much comes off as Duane desperately throwing out a slang term she doesn't really understand, to try to connect with the kids of the day.

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** ''Deep Wizardry'': The whole plot about stopping the East Coast from being wiped out is quite eerie after Hurricane Sandy.
* HilariousInHindsight: Two years after establishing Nita's Irish ancestry in the first book, Diane Duane met Northern Irish author Peter Morwood, who she later married, resulting in her moving to the country. This came in quite handy in letting her give an accurate portrayal of the country in ''A Wizard Abroad''.

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** ''Deep Wizardry'': The whole plot about stopping the East Coast from being wiped out is quite eerie after Hurricane Sandy.
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* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight:
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Two years after establishing Nita's Irish ancestry in the first book, Diane Duane met Northern Irish author Peter Morwood, who she later married, resulting in her moving to the country. This came in quite handy in letting her give an accurate portrayal of the country in ''A Wizard Abroad''.Abroad''.
** Dairine's manual essentially takes the form of a computer. Essentially, she's using an e-Reader.
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** Ronan and Roshaun having such similar names isn't an issue in their introductory books, but then ''Wizards of War'' suddenly puts both of them together on the same team, leading to many complaints that fans had a hard time keeping them straight.

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* BrokenBase: ''A Wizard Abroad'' is a very contested book, with some fans loving the in-depth depiction of Ireland that came from Duane now living there, and others accusing it of feeling like it was written just to show off all the stuff she'd found out about the country rather than to tell an interesting story. It also doesn't help that her spellings of Irish words are very inconsistent.

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* BrokenBase: BrokenBase:
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''A Wizard Abroad'' is a very contested book, with some fans loving the in-depth depiction of Ireland that came from Duane now living there, and others accusing it of feeling like it was written just to show off all the stuff she'd found out about the country rather than to tell an interesting story. It also doesn't help that her spellings of Irish words are very inconsistent.inconsistent.
** ''A Wizard of Mars'' is even more so. Besides the above-mentioned stuff with Carmella, many fans also take issue with how the plot is driven entirely by PoorCommunicationKills, only about half of which can be explained by the mind control Kit is under. Nita and Kit's RelationshipUpgrade is another controversial point, as a lot of fans had been enjoying them as a rare male/female partnership who had nothing romantic between them.

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* BaseBreaker: Roshaun was intended to at first be an unlikable character whose HiddenDepths would redeem him. Trouble is, he's ''such'' a gratuitously over the top RoyalBrat throughout most of ''Wizard's Holiday'' that many fans balked at being expected to completely forgive it all just because of the reveal, especially since he never actually shows any remorse for it.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreaker:
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Roshaun was intended to at first be an unlikable character whose HiddenDepths would redeem him. Trouble is, he's ''such'' a gratuitously over the top RoyalBrat throughout most of ''Wizard's Holiday'' that many fans balked at being expected to completely forgive it all just because of the reveal, especially since he never actually shows any remorse for it.it.
** Carmela was very popular at first as a BadassNormal sidekick, but in ''Wizards at War'' and especially ''A Wizard of Mars'' many fans turned on her, accusing her of having become a CreatorsPet with Duane having to do more and more ridiculous hair-splitting of the series' terminology to explain how she can do so much wizard stuff without actually being a wizard (which also has the side effect of making it seem like there's literally no upside to becoming a wizard to balance out the constant life risking on difficult assignments). Many fans also take issue with her borderline sexual harassment of Ronan and occasionally some others, saying there's no way anyone would accept this coming from a male character.
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* BaseBreaker: Roshaun was intended to at first be an unlikable character whose HiddenDepths would redeem him. Trouble is, he's ''such'' a gratuitously over the top RoyalBrat throughout most of ''Wizard's Holiday'' that many fans balked at being expected to completely forgive it all just because of the reveal, especially since he never actually shows any remorse for it.
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** ''A Wizard Alone'' went through some especially heavy rewrites in the NME, thanks to the ValuesDissonance of its portrayal of autism, especially the disproven notion that people with the condition don't consider anything beyond themselves "real." Unfortunately, the scene of Nita first realizing who Daryl is in her dream conversation was pretty much impossible to reconcile with this, and makes no sense at all.
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** In the biggest change of all, the NME of ''A Wizard Alone'' has Darryl's autism not be cured by his Ordeal, as people had started seriously frowning on the UnfortunateImplications of disabilities being cured by magic.
* WordOfGay: Tom and Carl, [[FlipFlopOfGod possibly]]. Testimony has Duane confirming to a small audience at a reading that Carl and Tom are indeed a gay couple -- but added at the same time that she'd never say so explicitly in the books", but more recently [[http://dduane.tumblr.com/post/68107969489/hey-diane-i-have-a-question-what-is-tom-and has denied being too detailed about their relationship for the sake of the privacy of the people they're based off of]].

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** In the biggest change of all, the NME of ''A Wizard Alone'' has Darryl's autism not be cured by his Ordeal, as people had started seriously frowning on the UnfortunateImplications of disabilities a real life disability being cured by magic.
* WordOfGay: Tom and Carl, [[FlipFlopOfGod possibly]]. Testimony has Duane confirming to a small audience at a reading that Carl and Tom are indeed a gay couple -- but added at the same time that she'd never say so explicitly in the books", but more recently [[http://dduane.then after that[[http://dduane.tumblr.com/post/68107969489/hey-diane-i-have-a-question-what-is-tom-and has com/post/68107969489/hey-diane-i-have-a-question-what-is-tom- denied being too detailed about their relationship for the sake of the privacy of the people they're based off of]].

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* {{Narm}}: At the start of one chapter of ''A Wizard Abroad'', Nita discovers that Ronan is [[spoiler:an incarnation of the One's Champion]]. This then goes ''completely unacknowledged'' for the rest of the chapter, not getting mentioned again until halfway through the next one. It ends up feeling a lot like Duane moved the scene back a chapter, but then didn't change anything else.

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* {{Narm}}: {{Narm}}:
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At the start of one chapter of ''A Wizard Abroad'', Nita discovers that Ronan is [[spoiler:an incarnation of the One's Champion]]. This then goes ''completely unacknowledged'' for the rest of the chapter, not getting mentioned again until halfway through the next one. It ends up feeling a lot like Duane moved the scene back a chapter, but then didn't change anything else.else.
** ''The Wizard's Dilemma'' keeps contriving so many reasons for Nita and Kit to not get in touch with each other that it feels more like watching ''Series/ThreesCompany''.

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** ''So You Want to Be a Wizard'': Fred worrying about a disaster like a meteor hitting Manhattan directly after Nita and Kit admire the World Trade Center.

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** ''So You Want to Be a Wizard'': Fred worrying about a disaster like a meteor hitting Manhattan directly after Nita and Kit admire the World Trade Center. Naturally, this was taken out of the NME.
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** In the biggest change of all, the NME of ''A Wizard Alone'' has Darryl's autism not be cured by his Ordeal, as people had started seriously frowning on the UnfortunateImplications of disabilities being cured by magic.
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* {{Narm}}: At the start of one chapter of ''A Wizard Abroad'', Nita discovers that Ronan is [[spoiler:an incarnation of the One's Champion]]. This then goes ''completely unacknowledged'' for the rest of the chapter, not getting mentioned again until halfway through the next one. It ends up feeling a lot like Duane moved the scene back a chapter, but then didn't change anything else.
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* BrokenBase: ''A Wizard Abroad'' is a very contested book, with some fans loving the in-depth depiction of Ireland that came from Duane now living there, and others accusing it of feeling like it was written just to show off all the stuff she'd found out about the country rather than to tell an interesting story. It also doesn't help that her spellings of Irish words are very inconsistent.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Two years after establishing Nita's Irish ancestry in the first book, Diane Duane met Northern Irish author Peter Morwood, who she later married, resulting in her moving to the country. This came in quite handy in letting her give an accurate portrayal of the country in ''A Wizard Abroad''.



* ValuesDissonance: Besides dealing with various bits of TechnologyMarchesOn, the New Millenium editions also get rid of what is now seen as appalling treatment of Machu Picchu, like threatening to starve her if she doesn't give a prophecy.

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* ValuesDissonance: ValuesDissonance:
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Besides dealing with various bits of TechnologyMarchesOn, the New Millenium editions also get rid of what is now seen as appalling treatment of Machu Picchu, like threatening to starve her if she doesn't give a prophecy.prophecy.
** The NME of ''A Wizard Abroad'' gives a more PC depiction of Irish Travelers.

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