History YMMV / YoungAvengers

10th Aug '16 6:05:25 PM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: Loki, Billy, and America are the biggest, and Kate to a lesser extent. Loki and Billy are either great characters to read or a CreatorsPet and SpotlightStealingSquad respectfully, America is either a fun addition or a complete JerkAss, and Kate is either the best or worst thing about the Hawkeye series.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Loki, Billy, and America are the biggest, and Kate to a lesser extent. Loki and Billy are either great characters to read or a CreatorsPet and SpotlightStealingSquad respectfully, America is either a fun addition or a complete JerkAss, and Kate is either the best or worst thing about the Hawkeye series.
25th Jan '16 6:19:10 PM ablackraptor
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** Tommy is consistently the least developed member of the team, but is well liked by most of the fans, to the point that his lack of development is something of a sour point for many. He's also Kate's most popular hetero pairing, despite the two not actually officially hooking up.

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** Tommy is consistently the least developed member of the team, but is well liked by most of the fans, to the point that his lack of development is something of a sour point for many. He's also Kate's most popular hetero pairing, despite the two not actually officially hooking up.up (though had quite a lot of ShipTease and appeared to hook up at the end of Vol 2).


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* ShipMates: As Billy/Teddy is generally well-liked by fans of the book, its common to see it as a side-pairing to any other pairing that doesn't involve the two (which itself are extremely rare given no one wants to break up the SuperCouple of the book). Almost every Kate pairing, particularly Tommy/Kate and Amerikate (the two most popular Kate pairings), tends to feature the two as a side pairing of some kind.
** Weirdly enough, Tommy/Kate shippers also tend to be rather fond of Amerikate, though usually in a platonic manner. Though the other way around not so much, Amerikate shippers tend to be more positive towards Tommy/Kate shippers than they are to Noh-Varr/Kate shippers due to how Noh-Varr treated Kate, and DieForOurShip treatment towards Tommy is incredibly rare (though not non-existent). It helps that Tommy/Kate shippers are open to {{OT3}} treatment, and have no problem also shipping Eli, Noh-Varr, David, or America in as a third wheel.
20th Nov '15 11:52:37 AM captainpat
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* TheScrappy: Some fans still have yet to forgive Cassie for going over to the Pro-Regs during the Civil War, especially since her justification was "I don't want to go to jail like Wiccan," which according to some, made her appear cowardly and unwilling to stand up for her beliefs. Others chalk it up to bad writing.
** On a similar note, many readers won't forgive Patriot for screwing up Wanda's attempt to save the mutant race, leading to ''Avengers vs X-Men'', a story built atop a ''massive'' ConflictBall that both Avengers and X-Men fans tend to take issue with.
** David and Miss America for the new run, due to [[spoiler: David surprise kissing Teddy and Miss America no longer worshiping Billy Kaplan.]]

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* TheScrappy: Some fans still have yet to forgive Cassie for going over to the Pro-Regs during the Civil War, especially since her justification was "I don't want to go to jail like Wiccan," which according to some, made her appear cowardly and unwilling to stand up for her beliefs. Others chalk it up to bad writing.
** On a similar note, many
Many readers won't forgive Patriot for screwing up Wanda's attempt to save the mutant race, leading to ''Avengers vs X-Men'', a story built atop a ''massive'' ConflictBall that both Avengers and X-Men fans tend to take issue with.
** David and Miss America for the new run, due to [[spoiler: David surprise kissing Teddy and Miss America no longer worshiping Billy Kaplan.]]
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5th Oct '15 7:45:00 AM StFan
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** And of course, the ''LokiAgentOfAsgard'' fandom, in large part because it essentially spun out from Gillen's run.

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** And of course, the ''LokiAgentOfAsgard'' ''ComicBook/LokiAgentOfAsgard'' fandom, in large part because it essentially spun out from Gillen's run.
1st Oct '15 8:22:25 PM Eagal
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* AlasPoorScrappy: Many fans felt bad and cried when [[spoiler:Cassie died at the end of Children's Crusade after sacrificing her life against giant god-mode Doctor Doom]].



** Everything about the 2013 run from character design to storytelling to the writer's/fandom's treatment of the characters of colour, homosexuality, bisexuality, and mental health issues.
*** Lampshaded by Gillen after the spirited debate sparked by Billy and Teddy's new hairstyles.
-->'''Creator/KieronGillen''' ''(on the #4 letters page)'': "So many words have been written about Billy having discovered hair-gel and Teddy [having] discovered a pair of scissors. It's kind of amazing. Generally speaking, if I've learned anything about comics through YA, it's SEXUAL DISCOVERY = GOOD, HAIR-CARE DISCOVERY = BAD."
*** Hell, the ''first scene'' is split; Kate and Noh-Var's hookup in the opening either makes them unlikeable, or its just a sign of them being two happy, healthy young adults having fun. Even those who dislike it are splits; either they're too casual about it ([[SlutShaming especially Kate]]), or Kate's mini internal-shaming sends a bad message to how to react to having one night stands. In other words, its sex positive and that's bad, or its ''not sex positive enough''.

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** Everything about the 2013 run from character design to storytelling to the writer's/fandom's treatment of the characters of colour, homosexuality, bisexuality, and mental health issues.
*** Lampshaded by Gillen after the spirited debate sparked by Billy and Teddy's new hairstyles.
-->'''Creator/KieronGillen''' ''(on the #4 letters page)'': "So many words have been written about Billy having discovered hair-gel and Teddy [having] discovered a pair of scissors. It's kind of amazing. Generally speaking, if I've learned anything about comics through YA, it's SEXUAL DISCOVERY = GOOD, HAIR-CARE DISCOVERY = BAD."
*** Hell, the ''first scene'' is split;
Kate and Noh-Var's hookup in the opening either makes them unlikeable, unlikable, or its it's just a sign of them being two happy, healthy young adults having fun. Even those who dislike it are splits; either they're too casual about it ([[SlutShaming especially Kate]]), or Kate's mini internal-shaming sends a bad message to how to react to having one night stands. In other words, its it's sex positive and that's bad, or its it's ''not sex positive enough''.



** The initial run also had flack for Patriot's drug addiction storyarc. Either it was rather well-handled and turned him from a JerkAss into a JerkassWoobie with a tinge of IJustWantToBeSpecial, which made him much more likeable and relatable, or it was incredibly [[UnfortunateImplications uncomfortable]] to have the black guy be the one to deal with drug addiction.
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Volume 2 comes with a complete soundtrack playlist courtesy of Gillen's blog, and a number of songs with some thematic resonance show up in the story. He also released Noh-Varr and Broo's full after-party playlist.

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** The initial run also had flack for Patriot's drug addiction storyarc. story arc. Either it was rather well-handled and turned him from a JerkAss into a JerkassWoobie with a tinge of IJustWantToBeSpecial, which made him much more likeable likable and relatable, or it was incredibly [[UnfortunateImplications uncomfortable]] uncomfortable to have the black guy be the one to deal with drug addiction.
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Volume 2 comes with a complete soundtrack playlist courtesy of Gillen's blog, and a number of songs with some thematic resonance show up in the story. He also released Noh-Varr and Broo's full after-party playlist.
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** LesYay: Kate and America is pretty popular, in fact probably the most popular Kate/Anyone pairing, thanks to their few interactions in Vol 2 having America sightly tease Kate, and calling her [[AffectionateNickname Princess regularly]]. The final issue having America come out as gay herself and claim that Kate's 'not that straight', really helps matters.

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** LesYay: Kate and America is pretty popular, in fact probably the most popular Kate/Anyone pairing, thanks to their few interactions in Vol 2 having America sightly tease Kate, and calling her [[AffectionateNickname Princess regularly]]. The final issue having America come out as gay herself and claim that Kate's 'not that straight', really helps matters.



* JerkassWoobie: Loki. [[spoiler: the entire conflict is basically his own self-loathing and guilt personified, and it all started because of his gambit to steal Billy's power]].



** AlasPoorScrappy: Many fans felt bad and cried when [[spoiler:Cassie died at the end of Children's Crusade after sacrificing her life against giant god-mode Doctor Doom]].



** JerkassWoobie: Loki. [[spoiler: the entire conflict is basically his own self-loathing and guilt personified, and it all started because of his gambit to steal Billy's power]].
25th Sep '15 5:40:53 PM nombretomado
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** And with fans of current {{Hawkeye}} series, thanks to both being quite different in style from usual Marvel standard and sharing the character of Kate Bishop. It helps that Creator/MattFraction and Creator/KieronGillen are good friends.

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** And with fans of current {{Hawkeye}} ComicBook/{{Hawkeye}} series, thanks to both being quite different in style from usual Marvel standard and sharing the character of Kate Bishop. It helps that Creator/MattFraction and Creator/KieronGillen are good friends.
7th Sep '15 11:57:27 AM nombretomado
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* LauncherOfAThousandShips: Prodigy. He comes with one canonical, if sunk, ship from his [[NewMutants previous series]] (Surge), gets a lot of HoYay with Speed and [[spoiler: once he reveals his bisexuality, with Teddy]], possible FoeYay as Loki's rival and there is a small percentage of fans who were shiping him with Miss America on the basis of one scene from issue #8 [[spoiler: through that probably got sunk when we found out America is a lesbian]] and with Kate on the basis on small scene from issue #11.

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* LauncherOfAThousandShips: Prodigy. He comes with one canonical, if sunk, ship from his [[NewMutants [[ComicBook/NewMutants previous series]] (Surge), gets a lot of HoYay with Speed and [[spoiler: once he reveals his bisexuality, with Teddy]], possible FoeYay as Loki's rival and there is a small percentage of fans who were shiping him with Miss America on the basis of one scene from issue #8 [[spoiler: through that probably got sunk when we found out America is a lesbian]] and with Kate on the basis on small scene from issue #11.
2nd Sep '15 9:29:31 PM AlleyOop
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* InternetBackdraft: The reactions of some fans to [=McKelvie=]'s redesign of Billy Kaplan are less than favorable. Detractors claim that it makes him look more stereotypical gay, thus hurting an up-to-then positive portrayal. The portrayal of Billy-Teddy relationship in the 2013 has also been received with hostility.

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* InternetBackdraft: The reactions of some fans to [=McKelvie=]'s redesign of Billy Kaplan are less than favorable. Detractors claim that it makes him look more stereotypical gay, thus hurting an up-to-then positive portrayal.portrayal, or that it just looks ugly in comparison. The portrayal of Billy-Teddy relationship in the 2013 has also been received with hostility.
1st Sep '15 3:04:45 PM ablackraptor
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*** Hell, the ''first scene'' is split; Kate and Noh-Var's hookup in the opening either makes them unlikeable, or its just a sign of them being two happy, healthy young adults having fun. Even those who dislike it are splits; either they're too casual about it ([[SlutShaming especially Kate]]), or Kate's mini internal-shaming sends a bad message to how to react to having one night stands.

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*** Hell, the ''first scene'' is split; Kate and Noh-Var's hookup in the opening either makes them unlikeable, or its just a sign of them being two happy, healthy young adults having fun. Even those who dislike it are splits; either they're too casual about it ([[SlutShaming especially Kate]]), or Kate's mini internal-shaming sends a bad message to how to react to having one night stands. In other words, its sex positive and that's bad, or its ''not sex positive enough''.



** The initial run also had flack for Patriot's drug addiction storyarc. Either it was rather well-handled and turned him from a JerkAss into a JerkassWoobie with a tinge of IJustWantToBeSpecial, which made him much more likeable and relatable, or it was incredibly [[UnfortunateImplications uncomfortable]] to have the black guy be the one to deal with drug addiction.



* EnsembleDarkHorse: During the first years of the Young Avengers, Kate never had the main focus of a story and was there only as the link that maintained the team together morally and financially. Later she somehow took the title of leader from Patriot and by 2013 not only she is one of the three original members to remain in the team (the others being the OfficialCouple) but also she is the only member to currently appear in two ongoing series at the same time as of the start of Young Avengers Volume 2 with a co-starring role in the current Hawkeye book. Kate is also often chosen as the most popular character of the team by fans (Wiccan or Kid Loki being the only members who can match her popularity).

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* EnsembleDarkHorse: During the first years of the Young Avengers, Kate never had the main focus of a story and was there only as the link that maintained the team together morally and financially. Later she somehow took the title of leader from Patriot and by 2013 not only she is one of the three original members to remain in the team (the others being the OfficialCouple) but also she is the only member to currently appear in two ongoing series at the same time as of the start of Young Avengers Volume 2 with a co-starring role in the current Hawkeye book. Kate is also often chosen as the most popular character of the team by fans (Wiccan or Kid Loki being the only members who can match her popularity). At this point, its safe to say she's officially the BreakoutCharacter of the book.


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** Though, this is easily topped in #13, with [[spoiler: Loki confessing the fact he's not really Kid!Loki but the amalgamation of him and Ikol after the latter killed the former, the Ex-Men and Leah being revealed to be figments he conjured up due to his new-found guilt complex, Teddy getting past his existential issues and embracing Billy, complete with a BigDamnKiss that gives Billy what he needs to, temporarily, become the ''[[PhysicalGod Demiurge]]'', finally defeating Mother.]]


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* StrangledByTheRedString: At least at first, Kate and Eli's attraction was an InformedAttribute; they argued a lot, and it was stated by Cassie this was due to UnresolvedSexualTension...but it really just looked like they didn't like each other. This seems to largely get dropped, though it gets picked back up after the two have spent more time together and actually have real chemistry.
1st Sep '15 1:51:14 PM StFan
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* FriendlyFandoms: With fans of [[NewMutants New X-Men]], {{Runaways}} and AvengersAcademy. Vol.2 added ''ComicBook/JourneyIntoMystery'' fans with introduction of Kid Loki to the team and by virtue of being written by [[Creator/KieronGillen the same person]]. And of course last two issues of vol.2 took an advantage of it with Young Avengers inviting all other teen heroes on huge party.

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* FriendlyFandoms: With fans of [[NewMutants ''[[ComicBook/NewMutants New X-Men]], {{Runaways}} X-Men]]'', ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' and AvengersAcademy.''ComicBook/AvengersAcademy''. Vol.2 added ''ComicBook/JourneyIntoMystery'' fans with introduction of Kid Loki to the team and by virtue of being written by [[Creator/KieronGillen the same person]]. And of course last two issues of vol.2 took an advantage of it with Young Avengers inviting all other teen heroes on huge party.
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