History YMMV / YoungAvengers

2nd Nov '17 10:20:35 PM drac0blade
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* HolyShitQuotient: Issue 8 of vol.2 - it has several strong moments that would each end up being a cliffhanger in another story - attack by monstrous versions of [[spoiler: Noh-Varr's first love, Exterminatrix]], then landing in a dimension where stars are [[spoiler: build into giant image of Billy]], then team getting separated after [[spoiler: Mother's attack]], then return of [[spoiler: ''ComicBook/JourneyIntoMystery'' character, Leah]] and finally [[spoiler: David kissing Teddy]].

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* HolyShitQuotient: Issue 8 of vol.2 - it has several strong moments that would each end up being a cliffhanger in another story - attack by monstrous versions of [[spoiler: Noh-Varr's first love, Exterminatrix]], then landing in a dimension where stars are [[spoiler: build built into a giant image of Billy]], then team getting separated after [[spoiler: Mother's attack]], then return of [[spoiler: ''ComicBook/JourneyIntoMystery'' character, Leah]] and finally [[spoiler: David kissing Teddy]].
2nd Nov '17 10:17:53 PM drac0blade
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** Wiccan's original name was Asgardian and based on Thor, but changed it due to possible jokes about a gay superhero whose name sounds like 'ass guardian'. Then lo and behold, Charmin used the joke on an ad on twitter for ''Film/ThorTheDarkworld'' which has a large section of gay fan fiction.
** The new readers wanted ad Loki handed out in the promotional one-shot had an interesting curse attached: "Be there or be involved in a string of massive corporate crossover events for your entire run"... well, apparently ''he'' wasn't there enough because his [[Comicbook/LokiAgentOfAsgard new solo series]] was involved in ''[[Comicbook/OriginalSin bo]][[Comicbook/{{Axis}} th]]'' "[[CrisisCrossover massive corporate crossover events]]" of 2014 and will be in the [[ComicBook/SecretWars2015 one]] of 2015. Not that this isn't a totally Loki thing to happen.

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** Wiccan's original name was Asgardian and based on Thor, but changed it due to possible jokes about a gay superhero whose name sounds like 'ass guardian'. guardian.' Then lo and behold, Charmin used the joke on an ad on twitter for ''Film/ThorTheDarkworld'' which has a large section of gay fan fiction.
** The new "new readers wanted wanted" ad Loki handed out in the promotional one-shot had an interesting curse attached: "Be there or be involved in a string of massive corporate crossover events for your entire run"... well, apparently ''he'' wasn't there enough because his [[Comicbook/LokiAgentOfAsgard new solo series]] was involved in ''[[Comicbook/OriginalSin bo]][[Comicbook/{{Axis}} th]]'' "[[CrisisCrossover massive corporate crossover events]]" of 2014 and will be in the [[ComicBook/SecretWars2015 one]] of 2015. Not that this isn't a totally Loki thing to happen.
2nd Nov '17 10:14:03 PM drac0blade
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* FriendlyFandoms: With fans of ''[[ComicBook/NewMutants New X-Men]]'', ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' and ''ComicBook/AvengersAcademy''. Vol.2 added ''ComicBook/JourneyIntoMystery'' fans with introduction of Kid Loki to the team and by virtue of being written by [[Creator/KieronGillen the same person]]. And of course last two issues of vol.2 took an advantage of it with Young Avengers inviting all other teen heroes on huge party.

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* FriendlyFandoms: With fans of ''[[ComicBook/NewMutants New X-Men]]'', ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' and ''ComicBook/AvengersAcademy''. Vol.2 added ''ComicBook/JourneyIntoMystery'' fans with introduction of Kid Loki to the team and by virtue of being written by [[Creator/KieronGillen the same person]]. And of course the last two issues of vol.2 took an advantage of it this with the Young Avengers inviting all other teen heroes on to a huge party.
23rd Aug '17 11:04:55 AM GordyTepig
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** A summary for the #1 of the 2013 series says "Legacy isnít a dirty word... but itís an irrelevant one." Four years later, we have the ComicBook/MarvelLegacy event, which is all about legacies.
10th Aug '16 6:05:25 PM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: Loki, Billy, and America are the biggest, and Kate to a lesser extent. Loki and Billy are either great characters to read or a CreatorsPet and SpotlightStealingSquad respectfully, America is either a fun addition or a complete JerkAss, and Kate is either the best or worst thing about the Hawkeye series.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Loki, Billy, and America are the biggest, and Kate to a lesser extent. Loki and Billy are either great characters to read or a CreatorsPet and SpotlightStealingSquad respectfully, America is either a fun addition or a complete JerkAss, and Kate is either the best or worst thing about the Hawkeye series.
25th Jan '16 6:19:10 PM ablackraptor
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** Tommy is consistently the least developed member of the team, but is well liked by most of the fans, to the point that his lack of development is something of a sour point for many. He's also Kate's most popular hetero pairing, despite the two not actually officially hooking up.

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** Tommy is consistently the least developed member of the team, but is well liked by most of the fans, to the point that his lack of development is something of a sour point for many. He's also Kate's most popular hetero pairing, despite the two not actually officially hooking up.up (though had quite a lot of ShipTease and appeared to hook up at the end of Vol 2).


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* ShipMates: As Billy/Teddy is generally well-liked by fans of the book, its common to see it as a side-pairing to any other pairing that doesn't involve the two (which itself are extremely rare given no one wants to break up the SuperCouple of the book). Almost every Kate pairing, particularly Tommy/Kate and Amerikate (the two most popular Kate pairings), tends to feature the two as a side pairing of some kind.
** Weirdly enough, Tommy/Kate shippers also tend to be rather fond of Amerikate, though usually in a platonic manner. Though the other way around not so much, Amerikate shippers tend to be more positive towards Tommy/Kate shippers than they are to Noh-Varr/Kate shippers due to how Noh-Varr treated Kate, and DieForOurShip treatment towards Tommy is incredibly rare (though not non-existent). It helps that Tommy/Kate shippers are open to {{OT3}} treatment, and have no problem also shipping Eli, Noh-Varr, David, or America in as a third wheel.
20th Nov '15 11:52:37 AM captainpat
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* TheScrappy: Some fans still have yet to forgive Cassie for going over to the Pro-Regs during the Civil War, especially since her justification was "I don't want to go to jail like Wiccan," which according to some, made her appear cowardly and unwilling to stand up for her beliefs. Others chalk it up to bad writing.
** On a similar note, many readers won't forgive Patriot for screwing up Wanda's attempt to save the mutant race, leading to ''Avengers vs X-Men'', a story built atop a ''massive'' ConflictBall that both Avengers and X-Men fans tend to take issue with.
** David and Miss America for the new run, due to [[spoiler: David surprise kissing Teddy and Miss America no longer worshiping Billy Kaplan.]]

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* TheScrappy: Some fans still have yet to forgive Cassie for going over to the Pro-Regs during the Civil War, especially since her justification was "I don't want to go to jail like Wiccan," which according to some, made her appear cowardly and unwilling to stand up for her beliefs. Others chalk it up to bad writing.
** On a similar note, many
Many readers won't forgive Patriot for screwing up Wanda's attempt to save the mutant race, leading to ''Avengers vs X-Men'', a story built atop a ''massive'' ConflictBall that both Avengers and X-Men fans tend to take issue with.
** David and Miss America for the new run, due to [[spoiler: David surprise kissing Teddy and Miss America no longer worshiping Billy Kaplan.]]
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5th Oct '15 7:45:00 AM StFan
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** And of course, the ''LokiAgentOfAsgard'' fandom, in large part because it essentially spun out from Gillen's run.

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** And of course, the ''LokiAgentOfAsgard'' ''ComicBook/LokiAgentOfAsgard'' fandom, in large part because it essentially spun out from Gillen's run.
1st Oct '15 8:22:25 PM Eagal
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* AlasPoorScrappy: Many fans felt bad and cried when [[spoiler:Cassie died at the end of Children's Crusade after sacrificing her life against giant god-mode Doctor Doom]].



** Everything about the 2013 run from character design to storytelling to the writer's/fandom's treatment of the characters of colour, homosexuality, bisexuality, and mental health issues.
*** Lampshaded by Gillen after the spirited debate sparked by Billy and Teddy's new hairstyles.
-->'''Creator/KieronGillen''' ''(on the #4 letters page)'': "So many words have been written about Billy having discovered hair-gel and Teddy [having] discovered a pair of scissors. It's kind of amazing. Generally speaking, if I've learned anything about comics through YA, it's SEXUAL DISCOVERY = GOOD, HAIR-CARE DISCOVERY = BAD."
*** Hell, the ''first scene'' is split; Kate and Noh-Var's hookup in the opening either makes them unlikeable, or its just a sign of them being two happy, healthy young adults having fun. Even those who dislike it are splits; either they're too casual about it ([[SlutShaming especially Kate]]), or Kate's mini internal-shaming sends a bad message to how to react to having one night stands. In other words, its sex positive and that's bad, or its ''not sex positive enough''.

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** Everything about the 2013 run from character design to storytelling to the writer's/fandom's treatment of the characters of colour, homosexuality, bisexuality, and mental health issues.
*** Lampshaded by Gillen after the spirited debate sparked by Billy and Teddy's new hairstyles.
-->'''Creator/KieronGillen''' ''(on the #4 letters page)'': "So many words have been written about Billy having discovered hair-gel and Teddy [having] discovered a pair of scissors. It's kind of amazing. Generally speaking, if I've learned anything about comics through YA, it's SEXUAL DISCOVERY = GOOD, HAIR-CARE DISCOVERY = BAD."
*** Hell, the ''first scene'' is split;
Kate and Noh-Var's hookup in the opening either makes them unlikeable, unlikable, or its it's just a sign of them being two happy, healthy young adults having fun. Even those who dislike it are splits; either they're too casual about it ([[SlutShaming especially Kate]]), or Kate's mini internal-shaming sends a bad message to how to react to having one night stands. In other words, its it's sex positive and that's bad, or its it's ''not sex positive enough''.



** The initial run also had flack for Patriot's drug addiction storyarc. Either it was rather well-handled and turned him from a JerkAss into a JerkassWoobie with a tinge of IJustWantToBeSpecial, which made him much more likeable and relatable, or it was incredibly [[UnfortunateImplications uncomfortable]] to have the black guy be the one to deal with drug addiction.
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Volume 2 comes with a complete soundtrack playlist courtesy of Gillen's blog, and a number of songs with some thematic resonance show up in the story. He also released Noh-Varr and Broo's full after-party playlist.

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** The initial run also had flack for Patriot's drug addiction storyarc. story arc. Either it was rather well-handled and turned him from a JerkAss into a JerkassWoobie with a tinge of IJustWantToBeSpecial, which made him much more likeable likable and relatable, or it was incredibly [[UnfortunateImplications uncomfortable]] uncomfortable to have the black guy be the one to deal with drug addiction.
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Volume 2 comes with a complete soundtrack playlist courtesy of Gillen's blog, and a number of songs with some thematic resonance show up in the story. He also released Noh-Varr and Broo's full after-party playlist.
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** LesYay: Kate and America is pretty popular, in fact probably the most popular Kate/Anyone pairing, thanks to their few interactions in Vol 2 having America sightly tease Kate, and calling her [[AffectionateNickname Princess regularly]]. The final issue having America come out as gay herself and claim that Kate's 'not that straight', really helps matters.

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** LesYay: Kate and America is pretty popular, in fact probably the most popular Kate/Anyone pairing, thanks to their few interactions in Vol 2 having America sightly tease Kate, and calling her [[AffectionateNickname Princess regularly]]. The final issue having America come out as gay herself and claim that Kate's 'not that straight', really helps matters.



* JerkassWoobie: Loki. [[spoiler: the entire conflict is basically his own self-loathing and guilt personified, and it all started because of his gambit to steal Billy's power]].



** AlasPoorScrappy: Many fans felt bad and cried when [[spoiler:Cassie died at the end of Children's Crusade after sacrificing her life against giant god-mode Doctor Doom]].



** JerkassWoobie: Loki. [[spoiler: the entire conflict is basically his own self-loathing and guilt personified, and it all started because of his gambit to steal Billy's power]].
25th Sep '15 5:40:53 PM nombretomado
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** And with fans of current {{Hawkeye}} series, thanks to both being quite different in style from usual Marvel standard and sharing the character of Kate Bishop. It helps that Creator/MattFraction and Creator/KieronGillen are good friends.

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** And with fans of current {{Hawkeye}} ComicBook/{{Hawkeye}} series, thanks to both being quite different in style from usual Marvel standard and sharing the character of Kate Bishop. It helps that Creator/MattFraction and Creator/KieronGillen are good friends.
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