History YMMV / XMen

18th May '17 4:39:30 PM Scorntex
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** UsefulNotes/TheNineties are pretty much a ''landfill'' of these, thanks to the high creator turnover and endless backstage politics going on at the time. A lot of villains from the era (indeed, entire villain ''teams'' fall under this umbrella) had massive potential but thanks to poor writing are barely remembered today (The Acolytes, the Upstarts, the Externals, etc). There's also the characters that never even got a ''chance'' to show their stuff, like Adrienne Frost, Genesis and Haven. If you ever wondering why the segment of the fandom that's Nineties-centric just tunes out of the current Cyclops VS Wolverine rigmarole altogether, well, this is why. It's possible that even Marvel editorial's finally recognized it, as late 2015 saw the announcement of a ''1992 X-Men'' series set for 2016 that might just breathe new life until all these forgotten plots and give these unappreciated characters their due.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: In rough order of severity and depending on the writer, Kitty Pryde, Cyclops, Emma Frost, and Wolverine. Logan especially, considering that he's been used for JerkassHasAPoint moments too many times that whenever he criticizes anyone for their behavior, he's almost undoubtedly done the exact thing he's condemning. At this point, being a giant hypocrite is slowly becoming a character trait for Logan.

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** UsefulNotes/TheNineties are pretty much a ''landfill'' of these, thanks to the high creator turnover and endless backstage politics going on at the time. A lot of villains from the era (indeed, entire villain ''teams'' fall under this umbrella) had massive potential but thanks to poor writing are barely remembered today (The Acolytes, the Upstarts, the Externals, etc). There's also the characters that never even got a ''chance'' to show their stuff, like Adrienne Frost, Genesis and Haven. If you ever wondering why the segment of the fandom that's Nineties-centric just tunes out of the current Cyclops VS Wolverine rigmarole altogether, well, this is why. It's possible that even Marvel editorial's finally recognized it, as late 2015 saw the announcement of a ''1992 X-Men'' series set for 2016 that might just breathe new life until all these forgotten plots and give these unappreciated characters their due.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: In rough order of severity and depending on the writer, Kitty Pryde, Cyclops, Professor X, Emma Frost, and Wolverine. Logan especially, considering that he's been used for JerkassHasAPoint moments too many times that whenever he criticizes anyone for their behavior, he's almost undoubtedly done the exact thing he's condemning. At this point, being a giant hypocrite is slowly becoming a character trait for Logan.
14th May '17 1:49:23 AM digiman619
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* CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot / IdiotBall / WhatHappenedToTheMouse: The Genosian slave collars acted as a PowerNullifier, which Rogue felt ambivalent about, as while it did strip her of her powers and was used to enslave her, it ''did'' get rid of her PowerIncontenence and let her touch someone without killing them. They unfortunately needed to destroy them in order to escape, but this really useful technology is never brought up again.
6th May '17 7:28:31 PM Zeiss
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** In ''Uncanny X-Men'' #235 in 1988, a friend of the X-Men radioed a call for help to them with the codename/callsign [[ComicBook/{{Rogue}} "Rogue one"]], which decades later became the coincidental [[Film/RogueOne film title]] with [[Franchise/StarWars the franchise]] which Marvel Comics [[ComicBook/MarvelStarWars used to be part of]], but wasn't any longer at that time, but which Marvel became part of [[ComicBook/MarvelStarWars2015 all over again]] decades later.

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** In ''Uncanny X-Men'' [[https://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/6704908.html#cutid1 #235 in 1988, 1988]], a friend of the X-Men radioed a call for help to them with the codename/callsign [[ComicBook/{{Rogue}} "Rogue one"]], which decades later became the coincidental [[Film/RogueOne film title]] with [[Franchise/StarWars the franchise]] which Marvel Comics [[ComicBook/MarvelStarWars used to be part of]], but wasn't any longer at that time, but which Marvel became part of [[ComicBook/MarvelStarWars2015 all over again]] decades later.
28th Apr '17 2:48:25 PM Scorntex
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** A 90s issue of ''What... Huh?'' had Iceman crushing on Angel (as a parody of Scott and Jean's early CannotSpitItOut routine). And then in the 2010s...
28th Apr '17 2:37:58 PM Scorntex
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* DracoInLeatherPants / RonTheDeathEater:

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** Even some of the human villains (William Stryker, for example) have those willing to argue how they're not really ''that bad'', even when they're advocating outright genocide, or are established child killers, or both.
27th Apr '17 8:59:49 PM GordyTepig
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** A very popular joke is that Jean brainwashed a young Iceman into being gay, due to his sudden sexuality change [[{{Retcon}} contradicting a lot of the character's past.]]
27th Apr '17 7:37:53 PM zealots
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* {{Anvilicious}}: The anti-bigotry message that has pervaded every fiber of ''X-Men'' ever since Creator/ChrisClaremont's run is definitely a case of SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped, but under bad writers, it can be taken to laughable extremes. A recurring complain is that the {{Muggles}}' hatred of mutants frequently gets exaggerated to ludicrous levels just so the message can be hammered further.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: The anti-bigotry message that has pervaded every fiber of ''X-Men'' ever since Creator/ChrisClaremont's run is definitely a case of SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped, but under bad writers, it can be taken to laughable extremes. A recurring complain complaint is that the {{Muggles}}' hatred of mutants frequently gets exaggerated to ludicrous levels just so the message can be hammered further.
27th Apr '17 7:30:33 PM zealots
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* {{Anvilicious}}: The anti-bigotry message that has always pervaded every fiber of ''X-Men'' is definitely a case of SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped, but under bad writers, it can be taken to laughable extremes. A recurring complain is that the {{Muggles}}' hatred of mutants frequently gets exaggerated to ludicrous levels just so the message can be hammered further.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: The anti-bigotry message that has always pervaded every fiber of ''X-Men'' ever since Creator/ChrisClaremont's run is definitely a case of SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped, but under bad writers, it can be taken to laughable extremes. A recurring complain is that the {{Muggles}}' hatred of mutants frequently gets exaggerated to ludicrous levels just so the message can be hammered further.



* CreatorWorship: Chris Claremont is an odd case. As noted elsewhere on this page, there is a vocal contingent of diehard X-Men fans online that absolutely ''revere'' the man, elevating him into a SacredCow for his legendary 16-year run on the X-Men and brushing aside his more hit-or-miss work on the franchise afterwards. On the other hand, he's become almost infamous in the fandom for his love of FetishFuel and tendency to mire his works in KudzuPlot. Perhaps most puzzlingly, though, is that his greatest contribution to ''X-Men'' as a whole, introducing the "mutants-as-minority" message that would go on to become a cornerstone of the entire franchise, is largely forgotten as his, with many fans assuming it has just always been part of the X-Men from day one when in fact the original incarnation of the X-Men as imagined by Creator/StanLee and Creator/JackKirby was little more than an AlternateCompanyEquivalent take on Creator/DCComics' ComicBook/DoomPatrol (in fact the only reason the mutant concept was created was as an easy HandWave to explain the source of the X-Men's superpowers, as opposed to the more elaborate and personalized backstories the Doom Patrol members got). It wasn't until Claremont took over the series that the mutant metaphor was introduced.



** Cassandra Nova sending the Sentinels to destroy Genosha. This act instantly made Nova one of the heinous mass murderers the X-universe has ever seen, with over 16 million mutants dying because of it.

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** Cassandra Nova sending the Sentinels to destroy Genosha. This act instantly made Nova one of the most heinous mass murderers the X-universe has ever seen, with over 16 million mutants dying because of it.
22nd Apr '17 10:51:23 AM zealots
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** Cassandra Nova sending the Sentinels to destroy Genosha. This act instantly made Nova one of the heinous mass murders the X-universe has ever seen, with over 16 million mutants dying because of it.

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** Cassandra Nova sending the Sentinels to destroy Genosha. This act instantly made Nova one of the heinous mass murders murderers the X-universe has ever seen, with over 16 million mutants dying because of it.



** Wither, whose purpose seems to be to explore how a villain becomes a villain, crossed it gradually under the influence of Selene, first murdering two policemen in ''ComicBook/NewXMen'' and later going all the way when he became a member of her Inner Circle during ''Necrosha''.

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** Wither, whose purpose seems to be to explore how a villain becomes a villain, crossed it gradually under the influence of Selene, [[TheCorrupter Selene]], first murdering two policemen in ''ComicBook/NewXMen'' and later going all the way when he became a member of her Inner Circle during ''Necrosha''.



** Chris Claremont has a fondness for over-narrating ''everything'', not to mention... dramatic pauses. It can get overdone sometimes (though there are those who enjoy them).

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** Chris Claremont Creator/ChrisClaremont has a fondness for over-narrating ''everything'', not to mention... dramatic pauses. It can get overdone sometimes (though there are those who enjoy them).


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** The only thing narmier than the dialogue from the Austen era was the art from the Austen era. Thrill to [[https://comicdomwrecks.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/mamaguthrie.jpg Angel and Husk's all-too-enthusiastic mid-air intercourse]] (with special guest appearance by Husk's own mother)!
22nd Apr '17 10:43:10 AM zealots
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** A little-remember X-Men from the 90s is Joseph, who was ''literally'' killed off by the writers in part for his interfering with the Gambit/Rogue ship (the other part was him having no more narrative purpose since it was decided that he wasn't Magneto after all).

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** A little-remember little-remembered X-Men from the 90s is Joseph, who was ''literally'' killed off by the writers in part for his interfering with the Gambit/Rogue ship (the other part was him having no more narrative purpose since it was decided that he wasn't Magneto after all).
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