History YMMV / XMen

18th Feb '17 10:47:29 AM Scorntex
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** In recent year Cyclops and Wolverine have became this. Cyclops has became a violent extremist who refuses to accept responsibility and justifies his actions with weak excuses, whereas Wolverine has became a hypocrite who would rather waste time fighting with his allies than use it fighting their enemies, and gets incredibly douchey in his arguments despite supposedly being the one who we're supposed to side with.

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** In recent year years Cyclops and Wolverine have became this. Cyclops has became a violent extremist who refuses to accept responsibility and justifies his actions with weak excuses, whereas Wolverine has became a hypocrite who would rather waste time fighting with his allies than use it fighting their enemies, and gets incredibly douchey in his arguments despite supposedly being the one who we're supposed to side with.



** Jason Aaron, the writer of ''Wolverine and the X-Men'', has been accused of doing this recently. After turning Colossus into the Juggernaut, resulting in Kitty breaking up with him... for some reason, he had Kitty, when she joined Wolverine, get together with Iceman, despite them never being depicted that close in the main comics. Likewise, when he broke up ComicBook/BlackPanther and Storm in ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'', he had Storm migrate to his book and recently had her get together with Logan (though, at least this one made ''some'' sense).

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** Jason Aaron, the writer of ''Wolverine and the X-Men'', has been was accused of doing this recently. during his run. After turning Colossus turned into the Juggernaut, resulting it resulted in Kitty breaking up with him... for some reason, reason. Then he had Kitty, when she joined Wolverine, get together with Iceman, despite them never being depicted that close in the main comics. Likewise, when he broke up ComicBook/BlackPanther and Storm in ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'', he had Storm migrate to his book and recently had her get together with Logan (though, at least this one made ''some'' sense).



* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: Frequently, Rogue gets forced into keeping her powers despite how mind-numbingly horrible they are.

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Frequently, Rogue gets forced into keeping her powers despite how mind-numbingly horrible they are.



** More recently, there's been an increasingly harsh rivalry with fans of the {{Inhumans}}. Let's just say that things have gotten [[{{InternetBackdraft}} heated]] lately, and [[{{RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement}} leave it at that.]]

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** More recently, there's been an increasingly harsh rivalry with fans of the {{Inhumans}}. ComicBook/{{Inhumans}}. Let's just say that things have gotten [[{{InternetBackdraft}} [[InternetBackdraft heated]] lately, and [[{{RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement}} [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement leave it at that.]]



** Genosha, pre-Magneto. Imagine the South African apartheid, only ramped up to a thousand, and with a side of MindRape and BodyHorror thrown in for good measure.



* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Ironically, Wolverine was widely hated when he first debuted, so much that the creative team seriously considered killing him off. (He was spared in favor of Thunderbird since a HealingFactor and WolverineClaws powerset was very unique at the time.) After some character expansion and a SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome, Wolverine became so popular that he's now the face of the X-Men. Though he's become a BaseBreakingCharacter since then, partly because his popularity got taken [[WriterOnBoard a bit too far]]...

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Ironically, Wolverine was widely hated when he first debuted, so much that the creative team seriously considered killing him off. (He was spared in favor of Thunderbird since a HealingFactor and WolverineClaws powerset was very unique at the time.) After some character expansion and a SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome, Wolverine became so popular that he's now the face of the X-Men. Though he's become a BaseBreakingCharacter since then, partly because his popularity got taken [[WriterOnBoard a bit too far]]...



** Matthew Malloy, a recent GenericDoomsdayVillain created by... uh, let's go with [[BrokenBase polarizing]] writer Creator/BrianBendis. It didn't help that he [[MakeWayForTheNewVillains effortlessly killed]] the extremely powerful Exodus, one of the few well-regarded '90s X-villains.

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** Matthew Malloy, a recent GenericDoomsdayVillain created by... uh, let's go with [[BrokenBase polarizing]] writer Creator/BrianBendis. It didn't help that he [[MakeWayForTheNewVillains effortlessly killed]] the extremely powerful Exodus, one of the few well-regarded '90s X-villains.



** The recent 'Last Will and Testament of Charles Xavier' story featured a brief, throwaway appearance by Exodus as an agent of SHIELD and the head of its psi division. Yes, ''[[KnightTemplar Exodus]]''. And the thing is, exploring how a character like Exodus would [[HeelFaceTurn come to work for SHIELD at all]], let alone go so far as to help an organization primarily made up of humans hunt down a dangerous mutant threat, would be a story seriously worth reading. Unfortunately, though, Bennet was just there to [[TheWorfEffect get worfed]] by Bendis's GenericDoomsdayVillain Matthew Malloy and he played no further part in the rest of the story, which was so bad that it ended up being retconned.

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** The recent 'Last Will and Testament of Charles Xavier' story featured a brief, throwaway appearance by Exodus as an agent of SHIELD and the head of its psi division. Yes, ''[[KnightTemplar Exodus]]''. And the thing is, exploring how a character like Exodus would [[HeelFaceTurn come to work for SHIELD at all]], let alone go so far as to help an organization primarily made up of humans hunt down a dangerous mutant threat, would be a story seriously worth reading. Unfortunately, though, Bennet was just there to [[TheWorfEffect get worfed]] by Bendis's GenericDoomsdayVillain Matthew Malloy and he played no further part in the rest of the story, which was so bad that it ended up being retconned.
16th Feb '17 2:52:09 PM Dedars1
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** Magneto/Rogue has always been one of the weirder X-relationships. It's pushed every couple of years by the Powers That Be, despite fandom largely being either irrelevant to or repulsed by it, and it was canon in the ''ComicBook/AgeOfApocalypse''. Recent years have seen it cross into UnfortunateImplications territory as Magneto's appearance has grown steadily older while Rogue's has grown (for some reason) steadily younger.
16th Feb '17 2:49:41 PM Dedars1
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** Emma Frost (rightfully) gets a buttload of this due to the fact that she manipulated and essentially ''[[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale raped]]'' Scott and [[KarmaHoudini got away with it]] by starting a relationship with him after Jean's death. The fact that she is his ''therapist'' just made her into more of a colossal bitch. This is somewhat in-universe at well: Rachel Summers never forgave her for having an affair with Scott, although thankfully she never learns of the whole story. Their relationship was mercifully terminated during the Avengers vs X-men events, although Scott never calls her out on her actions.

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** Emma Frost (rightfully) gets (gets a buttload of this due to the fact that she manipulated and essentially ''[[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale raped]]'' Scott and [[KarmaHoudini got away with it]] by starting a relationship with him after Jean's death. The fact that she is his ''therapist'' just made her into more of a colossal bitch. This is somewhat in-universe at well: Rachel Summers never forgave her for having an affair with Scott, although thankfully she never learns of the whole story. Their relationship was mercifully terminated during It should be noted, however, that her actions were influenced by Cassandra Nova at the Avengers vs X-men events, although Scott never calls her out on her actions.time.
12th Feb '17 3:34:10 AM CumbersomeTercel
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** James [=McAvoy=] and Michael Fassbender took the HoYay and FoeYay to ''ridiculous'' levels in ''Film/XMenFirstClass''.

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** James [=McAvoy=] Creator/JamesMcAvoy and Michael Fassbender Creator/MichaelFassbender took the HoYay and FoeYay to ''ridiculous'' levels in ''Film/XMenFirstClass''.
10th Feb '17 6:43:36 PM Scorntex
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** The end of the first part of Bishop's second appearance has Apocalypse straight-up ''kill'' the X-Men, ''on-camera''. Even worse is how sudden it is. He grows to fifty feet tall, growls at the X-Men, and in a flash they're incinerated.
4th Feb '17 11:33:30 AM Scorntex
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** It's easy to tell when Chris Claremont likes a character, as he'll keep using them. TropesAreTools, though. Storm and Kitty Pryde are good examples of TropesAreNotBad.



** Chris Claremont has a fondness for over-narrating ''everything'', not to mention... dramatic pauses. It can get overdone sometimes (though there are those who enjoy them).



* NarmCharm: The existence of Master Mold, a giant Sentinel who spawns 'smaller' Sentinels from his tummy. Yes, he has the power of robot pregnancy.

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The existence of Master Mold, a giant Sentinel who spawns 'smaller' Sentinels from his tummy. Yes, he has the power of robot pregnancy.
6th Jan '17 6:03:23 AM Lloigor
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** Due to his FreudianExcuse and generous use of the HeelFaceRevolvingDoor, Magneto tends to get hit with Leather Pants, with fans declaring him to be in the right even in his most extreme moments. On the other hand, he also gets hit with Death Eater status by his anti-fans, who tend to ignore that he hasn't really been a villain since since before Grant Morrison's run - which was back in 2001.

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** Due to his FreudianExcuse and generous use of the HeelFaceRevolvingDoor, Magneto tends to get hit with Leather Pants, with fans declaring him to be in the right even in his most extreme moments. On the other hand, he also gets hit with Death Eater status by his anti-fans, who tend to ignore that he hasn't really been a villain since since before Grant Morrison's run - which was back in 2001.
25th Dec '16 6:14:58 PM Zeiss
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*** Averted with Nate Grey's mental construct version of Madelyne Pryor, though - partially because she wasn't the same person as Cyclops married, but mostly because she wouldn't stop flirting with someone who was genetically [[{{Squick}} her own son]].
23rd Dec '16 6:26:15 PM MegaJ
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* AcceptableTargets: Creator/BrianBendis and Craig Kyle to some degree, the former for his habit of using beloved C and D-list characters as expendable cannon fodder and the latter for unfailingly plugging his CreatorsPet X-23 front-and-center for ''anything'' he writes. Creator/ChrisClaremont gets this too sometimes for his [[AuthorAppeal very blatant love]] for certain fetish tropes, but above them all, the undisputed AcceptableTarget king? '''Chuck Austen'''. Just make a drinking game out of how often you'll seem him referred to as a "writer" with the quotes included, or otherwise disparaged. And unlike any of the above examples, there's pretty much ''no one'' coming to his support. His run really was that [[FanonDiscontinuity hated]].
1st Dec '16 2:51:50 PM MegaJ
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** There is a overwhelming consensus that the period in which Comicbook/TheInhumans started to rise in prominence in the Marvel Universe is a Dork Age, as it had negative effect on the X-Men. The short version is that the cinematic rights of the X-Men franchise (along with the Comicbook/FantasticFour) lay with Creator/TwentiethCenturyFox as opposed to Creator/{{Disney}}/Marvel Studios. During this period there was as significant slowdown in X-Men related merchandise being made, the X-Men stopped appearing regularly in promotions for Marvel, and comics-wise their standing in the Marvel Universe plummeted, further cemented after Comicbook/SecretWars2015 in which mutantkind was under threat of extinction and mutants were hated and feared more than ever -- [[YoYoPlotPoint again]]. The fans had enough and after a few noteworthy events; namely the split of Marvel Studios from Marvel Entertainment, the wild success of Film/Deadpool2016, the failure of the Inhumans push along with their planned Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse movie being downgraded to a TV show, and Marvel Entertainment and 20th Century Fox working together to make X-Men TV shows, the comics were relaunched in 2017.

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** There is a overwhelming consensus that the period in which Comicbook/TheInhumans started to rise in prominence in the Marvel Universe is a Dork Age, as it had negative effect on the X-Men. The short version is that the cinematic rights of the X-Men franchise (along with the Comicbook/FantasticFour) lay with Creator/TwentiethCenturyFox as opposed to Creator/{{Disney}}/Marvel Studios. During this period there was as significant slowdown in X-Men related merchandise being made, the X-Men stopped appearing regularly in promotions for Marvel, and comics-wise their standing in the Marvel Universe plummeted, further cemented after Comicbook/SecretWars2015 in which mutantkind was under threat of extinction and mutants were hated and feared more than ever -- [[YoYoPlotPoint again]]. The fans had enough and after a few noteworthy events; namely the split of Marvel Studios from Marvel Entertainment, the wild success of Film/Deadpool2016, the failure of the Inhumans push along with their planned Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse movie being downgraded to a TV show, and Marvel Entertainment and 20th Century Fox working together to make X-Men TV shows, the comics were relaunched in 2017.2017 with a renewed focus on the team being heroes.
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