History YMMV / XMen

16th Oct '17 2:43:50 PM Scorntex
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** The reason for Storm's severe claustrophobia: When she was a little girl, a plane involved in the Suez Crisis dropped on her family's house, killing her parents instantly, and burying Ororo under the rubble, where she stayed for days... with her mother's mangled corpse ''right in front of her''.
13th Oct '17 2:27:13 AM Silverblade2
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** What makes Wolverine such a [[LoveItOrHateIt frustrating]] example of this trope is that the character is basically a KarmaHoudini on wheels -- other Marvel U AntiHero characters like ComicBook/ThePunisher, [[ComicBook/{{Venom}} Agent Venom]], and in the X-Universe SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}} and most pointedly ComicBook/{{Cyclops}}, '''all''' suffer the consequences of their JerkAss behavior through generous doses of ZeroPercentApprovalRating, CantGetAwayWithNuthin, etc. Logan is a character with a body count behind him that would make most SerialKiller characters blush yet enjoys a consistent HundredPercentAdorationRating and is regarded as a trusted ally of characters like Captain America, Spider-Man, etc... you know, the same people who would be calling for him to stand trial [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality if he were anyone else]]. In general, both the character ''[[RunningTheAsylum and the narrative]]'' bend over backwards to handwave Wolverine's crimes. At one point Logan even [[MoralMyopia says himself]] that he's only ever killed people who deserved it; as his victims mostly consist of various {{Mooks}} and RedShirts, the narrative treats this as him telling it like it is rather than the WhatTheHellHero moment it ought to be.

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** What makes Wolverine such a [[LoveItOrHateIt frustrating]] example of this trope is that the character is basically a KarmaHoudini on wheels -- other Marvel U AntiHero characters like ComicBook/ThePunisher, [[ComicBook/{{Venom}} Agent Venom]], and in the X-Universe SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}} ComicBook/{{Magneto}} and most pointedly ComicBook/{{Cyclops}}, '''all''' suffer the consequences of their JerkAss behavior through generous doses of ZeroPercentApprovalRating, CantGetAwayWithNuthin, etc. Logan is a character with a body count behind him that would make most SerialKiller characters blush yet enjoys a consistent HundredPercentAdorationRating and is regarded as a trusted ally of characters like Captain America, Spider-Man, etc... you know, the same people who would be calling for him to stand trial [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality if he were anyone else]]. In general, both the character ''[[RunningTheAsylum and the narrative]]'' bend over backwards to handwave Wolverine's crimes. At one point Logan even [[MoralMyopia says himself]] that he's only ever killed people who deserved it; as his victims mostly consist of various {{Mooks}} and RedShirts, the narrative treats this as him telling it like it is rather than the WhatTheHellHero moment it ought to be.



* MemeticMutation: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdAmkx8eAos "Welcome to DIE!"]] and [[FountainOfMemes the myriad other dialogue]] voiced by our favorite [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjuWKAMAlQU "Master of Magnet."]] The former was so notable, it was {{ascended|Meme}} ([[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tl7Bbn5niI by none other than]] SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}}) in ''VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom3''.

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* MemeticMutation: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdAmkx8eAos "Welcome to DIE!"]] and [[FountainOfMemes the myriad other dialogue]] voiced by our favorite [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjuWKAMAlQU "Master of Magnet."]] The former was so notable, it was {{ascended|Meme}} ([[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tl7Bbn5niI by none other than]] SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}}) ComicBook/{{Deadpool}}) in ''VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom3''.
12th Oct '17 3:55:25 PM tetsuzan
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** The Shaman from Manga/SamuraiDeeperKyo are Mutant in all but name as they are only called Shaman because they would usually train in the clerical arts as a way to control their abilities. Which could explain why Charles Xavier is such a powerful teleapath? Xavier's knowledge of the body and its energies/chakras has gained him the unofficial degree of a seasoned Zen master, allotting him the ability to keep in the prime of his physique.
17th Sep '17 12:32:16 PM FierceArtist
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* FridgeHorror: The end of "Bloodlines" has the High Command of the Friends of Humanity chastise Graydon Greed for his failure to kill off his mutant family members, but give him "one final chance" to redeem himself by assigning a mission to kill Sabretooth, his father. Given that Sabretooth is also implied to have ''horribly abused Graydon'' to the point that he inspired his hatred of mutants and created the organisation, that Graydon Creed is still deathly afraid of him (more so because he doesn't age, and is still a man in his prime), and that Sabretooth is seemingly bemused (if not displeased) that his son who became in his words "the infamous slayer of mutants" is now in front of his doorstep, it seems less of an assignment to Graydon Creed, and more of [[YouHaveFailedMe a death sentence for his failure]].

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The end of "Bloodlines" has the High Command of the Friends of Humanity chastise Graydon Greed for his failure to kill off his mutant family members, but give him "one final chance" to redeem himself by assigning a mission to kill Sabretooth, his father. Given that Sabretooth is also implied to have ''horribly abused Graydon'' to the point that he inspired his hatred of mutants and created the organisation, that Graydon Creed is still deathly afraid of him (more so because he doesn't age, and is still a man in his prime), and that Sabretooth is seemingly bemused (if not displeased) that his son who became in his words "the infamous slayer of mutants" is now in front of his doorstep, it seems less of an assignment to Graydon Creed, and more of [[YouHaveFailedMe a death sentence for his failure]].failure]].
** The episode "Descent" reveals that Mister Sinister was married to a woman named Rebecca Grey, heavily implied to be an ancestor of Jean Grey, which while providing context, makes [[StalkerWithATestTube his creepy obsession with her]] all the more disturbing. It's even worse when you consider that he experimented on his wife (it was to save her life, but still), and may have been the reason why the x-gene passed on to Jean.
11th Sep '17 7:04:56 AM GrigorII
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* ItsBeenDone: The X-Men ''themselves'' are sometimes accused of this, of being a rip off of DC's ComicBook/DoomPatrol. Both were created at nearly the same time, and had many similarities. Both teams main premise is that their heroes are actually outcasts from society, feared and treated as "monsters" for their powers (a theme that was not so common back then). Both are led by a grown up man in a wheelchair, who makes up for that handicap with his mind (in the case of Charles Xavier it's mind powers, Niles Caulder is an OmnidisciplinaryScientist). The tagline for the Doom Patrol was "The world's strangest heroes", and the tagline for the X-Men was "The strangest super-heroes of all". The enemy group of the Doom Patrol was the "Brotherhood of evil", and the enemy group of the X-Men was the "Brotherhood of evil mutants". Still, things are not so clear-cut. As a new comic would take at least some months from author creation to hitting the stands, Lee and Kirby should have known about DC's plans in advance to create the X-Men and publish them in time (or, if we go the spy route, perhaps it was DC who discovered Kirby's great idea and beat him to it). In any case, the original Doom Patrol was a short-lived comic, and nowadays both teams have evolved into products with very little in common with their early versions, so the old controversy is a moot point and few people really cares about it.
9th Sep '17 4:12:52 PM Manny20444
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* CantUnhearIt: Fans tend to hear Creator/JimWard or Creator/PatrickStewart (along with [[WesternAnimation/XMen Cedric Smith]] or Creator/JamesMcAvoy) as Professor Xavier, Creator/NolanNorth or Norm Spencer (or maybe Kirby Marrow) as ComicBook/{{Cyclops}}, Creator/LiamOBrien as Angel, Creator/SteveBlum or Creator/ScottMcNeil (or Cal Dodd) as ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}, Creator/YuriLowenthal as ComicBook/{{Iceman}}, Creator/JenniferHale (or maybe Catherine Disher or Creator/VenusTerzo) as ComicBook/JeanGrey, Creator/FredTatasciore or George Buza as Beast, Liam O'Brien as ComicBook/{{Nightcrawler}}, Creator/SusanDalian as ComicBook/{{Storm}}, Creator/PhilLaMarr (or maybe Chris Porter or Tony Daniels) as ComicBook/{{Gambit}}, Creator/LenoreZann (or maybe Megan Black or Kieren van den Blink) as ComicBook/{{Rogue}}, and Creator/KariWahlgren as ComicBook/EmmaFrost among the other members whenever they are reading their lines from just about anywhere.

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* CantUnhearIt: Fans tend to hear Creator/JimWard or Creator/PatrickStewart (along with [[WesternAnimation/XMen Cedric Smith]] or Creator/JamesMcAvoy) as Professor Xavier, Creator/NolanNorth or Norm Spencer (or maybe Kirby Marrow) as ComicBook/{{Cyclops}}, Creator/LiamOBrien as Angel, Creator/SteveBlum or Creator/ScottMcNeil (or Cal Dodd) as ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}, Creator/YuriLowenthal as ComicBook/{{Iceman}}, Creator/JenniferHale (or maybe Catherine Disher or Creator/VenusTerzo) as ComicBook/JeanGrey, Creator/FredTatasciore or George Buza as Beast, Liam O'Brien as ComicBook/{{Nightcrawler}}, Creator/SusanDalian as ComicBook/{{Storm}}, Creator/PhilLaMarr (or maybe Chris Porter or Tony Daniels) as ComicBook/{{Gambit}}, Creator/LenoreZann (or maybe Megan Black or Kieren van den Blink) as ComicBook/{{Rogue}}, Creator/DanielleJudovits (or maybe Creator/KathSoucie or Maggie Blue O'Hara) as ComicBook/KittyPryde, and Creator/KariWahlgren as ComicBook/EmmaFrost among the other members whenever they are reading their lines from just about anywhere.
9th Sep '17 3:38:52 AM Manny20444
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* BadassDecay: ComicBook/JeanGrey in the comics is one of the most powerful X-Men characters. By contrast, she suffers a ''heavy'' case of AdaptationalWimp in the show, with her telepathy usually backfiring on her or her telekinesis not holding up well under strain. It was likely that this nerfing was intentional, as she would otherwise be at StoryBreakerPower levels (tellingly, the villain Exodus, himself a frequent wielder of StoryBreakerPower, was one of the few characters who never made an appearance in the show). The Season 3 adaptation of the Dark Phoenix Saga is the only time that Jean comes anywhere close to her comic book level of power.

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* BadassDecay: ComicBook/JeanGrey in the comics is one of the most powerful X-Men characters. By contrast, she suffers a ''heavy'' case of AdaptationalWimp in the show, with her telepathy usually backfiring on her or her telekinesis not holding up well under strain. It was likely that this nerfing was intentional, as she would otherwise be at StoryBreakerPower levels (tellingly, the villain Exodus, himself a frequent wielder of StoryBreakerPower, was one of the few characters who never made an appearance in the show). The Season 3 adaptation of the Dark Phoenix Saga is the only time in the show that Jean comes anywhere close to her comic book level of power.
9th Sep '17 3:38:16 AM Manny20444
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: While the entire thing being better than the [[WesternAnimation/WolverineAndTheXMen last X-Men show]] overall would be a bold claim, the handling of Cyclops in comparison has unarguably been greatly improved. Both have Cyclops at roughly the same stage in his life: He lost Jean and is still grieving. But, in ''WATXM'', Cyclops was largely just a moody loner who didn't deal with it properly. Here, however, he starts with minor DeathSeeker tendencies, but evolves to the point where he overcomes his despair. Largely, people prefer the way he's written here compared to the previous show (and compared to the films).

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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: While the entire thing series being better than the [[WesternAnimation/WolverineAndTheXMen last X-Men show]] overall would be a bold claim, the handling of Cyclops in comparison has unarguably been greatly improved. Both shows have Cyclops at roughly the same stage in his life: He lost Jean and is still grieving. But, in ''WATXM'', Cyclops was largely just a moody loner who didn't deal with it properly. Here, however, he starts with minor DeathSeeker tendencies, but evolves to the point where he overcomes his despair. Largely, people prefer the way he's written here compared to the previous show (and compared to the films).entire live-action film series).
9th Sep '17 3:36:28 AM Manny20444
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* CantUnhearIt: ''X-Men: The Animated Series'' provided a lot of very iconic and popular voices for characters associated with the ComicBook/XMen that fans, particularly the ones who grew up in the 90's, tend to read the comics in the show's voices. Due to the large popularity the show has, fans tend to hear Cedric Smith as Professor X, Norm Spencer as ComicBook/{{Cyclops}}, Catherine Disher as ComicBook/JeanGrey, George Buza as Beast, Alison Sealy Smith or Iona Morris as ComicBook/{{Storm}}, Chris Porter or Tony Daniels as ComicBook/{{Gambit}}, Creator/LenoreZann as ComicBook/{{Rogue}}, and Creator/AlysonCourt as Jubilee. Additionally, the series provided popular voices for the enemies of the X-Men, especially David Hamblem as ComicBook/{{Magneto}}.

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* CantUnhearIt: ''X-Men: The Animated Series'' provided a lot of very iconic and popular voices for characters associated with the ComicBook/XMen that fans, particularly the ones who grew up in the 90's, tend to read the comics in the show's voices. Due to the large popularity the show has, fans tend to hear Cedric Smith as Professor X, Norm Spencer as ComicBook/{{Cyclops}}, Catherine Disher as ComicBook/JeanGrey, George Buza as Beast, Creator/CalDodd as ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}, Alison Sealy Smith or Iona Morris as ComicBook/{{Storm}}, Chris Porter or Tony Daniels as ComicBook/{{Gambit}}, Creator/LenoreZann as ComicBook/{{Rogue}}, and Creator/AlysonCourt as Jubilee. Additionally, the series provided popular voices for the enemies of the X-Men, especially David Hamblem as ComicBook/{{Magneto}}.
9th Sep '17 3:32:27 AM Manny20444
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* CantUnhearIt: ''X-Men: The Animated Series'' provided a lot of very iconic and popular voices for characters associated with the ComicBook/XMen that fans, particularly the ones who grew up in the 90's, tend to read the comics in the show's voices.

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* CantUnhearIt: ''X-Men: The Animated Series'' provided a lot of very iconic and popular voices for characters associated with the ComicBook/XMen that fans, particularly the ones who grew up in the 90's, tend to read the comics in the show's voices. Due to the large popularity the show has, fans tend to hear Cedric Smith as Professor X, Norm Spencer as ComicBook/{{Cyclops}}, Catherine Disher as ComicBook/JeanGrey, George Buza as Beast, Alison Sealy Smith or Iona Morris as ComicBook/{{Storm}}, Chris Porter or Tony Daniels as ComicBook/{{Gambit}}, Creator/LenoreZann as ComicBook/{{Rogue}}, and Creator/AlysonCourt as Jubilee. Additionally, the series provided popular voices for the enemies of the X-Men, especially David Hamblem as ComicBook/{{Magneto}}.
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