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30th Jan '16 4:22:34 PM StFan
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** HypocriticalFandom: And, as a result, there's been a lot of hypocritical claims from both sides too. X-Men fans have been in uproar over Marvel's apparent favourtism towards the Avengers due to Marvel Studios owning and producing the film rights of the Avengers, but a lot of the 'evidence' of this apparent conspiracy to undermine the Fox-produced X-Men films is either questionable at best or outright fabrication at worst, or even things the X-Men fandom enjoy themselves now such as multiple books about their sub-teams, solo-books for their characters, and publicity towards their regular events. Conversely, a lot of the criticisms thrown at the X-Men (being too dark, exaggerated depiction of incompetent or abusive government and law enforcement figures, frequently recruiting former villains, LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters, preachy anvilicious messages, etc) are largely criticisms that equally fit the Avengers too, as well as other big superhero teams like DC's ''Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}}'' and TeenTitans. In general, the only thing that Marvel are doing for one that they're not doing for the other is producing a current animated show for X-Men, which is something they've done repeatedly in the past for the X-Men and only recently started doing for the Avengers (X-Men have had [[WesternAnimation/XMen three]] [[WesternAnimation/XMenEvolution animated]] [[WesternAnimation/WolverineAndTheXMen shows]] and an [[Anime/XMen anime]], while the Avengers have [[WesternAnimation/TheAvengersUnitedTheyStand now]] [[WesternAnimation/AvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes had]] [[WesternAnimation/AvengersAssemble the]] [[Anime/MarvelDiskWarsTheAvengers same]]).
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** HypocriticalFandom: And, as a result, there's been a lot of hypocritical claims from both sides too. X-Men fans have been in uproar over Marvel's apparent favourtism towards the Avengers due to Marvel Studios owning and producing the film rights of the Avengers, but a lot of the 'evidence' of this apparent conspiracy to undermine the Fox-produced X-Men films is either questionable at best or outright fabrication at worst, or even things the X-Men fandom enjoy themselves now such as multiple books about their sub-teams, solo-books for their characters, and publicity towards their regular events. Conversely, a lot of the criticisms thrown at the X-Men (being too dark, exaggerated depiction of incompetent or abusive government and law enforcement figures, frequently recruiting former villains, LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters, preachy anvilicious messages, etc) are largely criticisms that equally fit the Avengers too, as well as other big superhero teams like DC's ''Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}}'' and TeenTitans. In general, the only thing that Marvel are doing for one that they're not doing for the other is producing a current animated show for X-Men, which is something they've done repeatedly in the past for the X-Men and only recently started doing for the Avengers (X-Men have had [[WesternAnimation/XMen three]] [[WesternAnimation/XMenEvolution animated]] [[WesternAnimation/WolverineAndTheXMen shows]] and an [[Anime/XMen anime]], while the Avengers have [[WesternAnimation/TheAvengersUnitedTheyStand now]] [[WesternAnimation/AvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes [[WesternAnimation/TheAvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes had]] [[WesternAnimation/AvengersAssemble the]] [[Anime/MarvelDiskWarsTheAvengers same]]).
21st Jan '16 12:02:36 PM FierceArtist
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* JerkassWoobie: Erik, so very much.
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* JerkassWoobie: JerkassWoobie: ** Erik, so very much.much. **James Hudson aka Vindicator, comes off as one. He took Wolverine leaving Alpha Flight very hard, which implies that they were at one point, very good friends. "Repo Man" has him essentially try to conscript Wolverine back into service by siccing Alpha Flight on him when he returns to Canada, but then he rants to him about him about him leaving. Heather implies that the whole situation with Logan caused him to act this way.
7th Jan '16 2:47:04 PM MagBas
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* AcceptableTargets: Brian Bendis and Craig Kyle to some degree, the former for his habit of using beloved C and D-list characters as expendable cannon fodder and the latter for unfailingly plugging his CreatorsPet X-23 front-and-center for ''anything'' he writes. Chris Claremont gets this too sometimes for his [[AuthorAppeal very apparent love]] for certain fetish tropes, but above them all, the undisputed AcceptableTarget king? '''Chuck Austen'''. Just make a drinking game out of how often you'll seem him referred to as a "writer" with the quotes included, or otherwise disparaged. And unlike any of the above examples, there's pretty much ''no one'' coming to his support. His run really was ''[[SoBadItsHorrible that]]'' [[FanonDiscontinuity hated]].
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* AcceptableTargets: Brian Bendis and Craig Kyle to some degree, the former for his habit of using beloved C and D-list characters as expendable cannon fodder and the latter for unfailingly plugging his CreatorsPet X-23 front-and-center for ''anything'' he writes. Chris Claremont gets this too sometimes for his [[AuthorAppeal very apparent love]] for certain fetish tropes, but above them all, the undisputed AcceptableTarget king? '''Chuck Austen'''. Just make a drinking game out of how often you'll seem him referred to as a "writer" with the quotes included, or otherwise disparaged. And unlike any of the above examples, there's pretty much ''no one'' coming to his support. His run really was ''[[SoBadItsHorrible that]]'' that [[FanonDiscontinuity hated]].
31st Dec '15 12:15:32 PM marcoasalazarm
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** A new one has appeared as of the revelation of the ''AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' line that [[spoiler:the Terrigen Mists are now lethal to mutants for ''some reason'', they have decimated mutants back down to an endangered species, and Cyclops has done ''something'' (that will be an ongoing mystery) to piss off the world back into "Kill All Mutants" mode-and ''this'' has made whichever mutants (that aren't the X-Men) that are still alive to pull stakes and get the hell out of Dodge]]. The fact that this [[YankTheDogsChain yanks the dog's chain]] of the ending of ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'', [[spoiler:turns Cyclops into an ''even bigger'' douchebag after A.V.X. turned him into a pariah-seeking terrorist and arcs like ''ComicBook/BattleOfTheAtom'' showcased some amount of TheExtremistWasRight]] and seriously disconnects the readers from any supposed connection with mutant hood (it's supposed to stand in for any persecuted minority, but [[spoiler:becoming a ''nearly-extinct'' minority ''twice in a row'' with only a year or so of breathing time at the most]] seriously kills the WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief) has caused many people to decry the storyline for DarknessInducedAudienceApathy, while others are accepting of the new story set-ups despite of what is still an excess.
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** A new one has appeared as of the revelation of the ''AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' line that [[spoiler:the Terrigen Mists are now lethal to mutants for ''some reason'', they have decimated mutants back down to an endangered species, and Cyclops has done ''something'' (that will be an ongoing mystery) to piss off the world back into "Kill All Mutants" mode-and ''this'' has made whichever mutants (that aren't the X-Men) that are still alive to pull stakes and get the hell out of Dodge]]. The fact that this [[YankTheDogsChain yanks the dog's chain]] of the ending of ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'', [[spoiler:turns Cyclops into an ''even bigger'' douchebag after A.V.X. turned him into a pariah-seeking terrorist and arcs like ''ComicBook/BattleOfTheAtom'' showcased some amount of TheExtremistWasRight]] and seriously disconnects the readers from any supposed connection with mutant hood (it's supposed to stand in for any persecuted minority, but [[spoiler:becoming a ''nearly-extinct'' minority ''twice in a row'' with only a year or so of breathing time at the most]] seriously kills the WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief) has caused many people to decry the storyline for DarknessInducedAudienceApathy, while others are accepting of the new story set-ups despite of what is still an excess. [[spoiler:There is also the discussion whether this whole situation, rehashing of post-M-Day as some people seem to think it is, is just more fuel to the fire Marvel seems to be pushing on to people of accepting The Inhumans as the new "misunderstood and loathed yet {{Badass}} superhuman species" ''du jour'' (and with ''that'' there is massive discussions about ExecutiveMeddling that are better off discussed elsewhere).]]
21st Dec '15 2:19:45 AM SpideyTerry
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* ContinuityLockOut: The first two seasons are pretty heavy on story arcs. The first season even sees most episodes leading directly into the next, meaning you'd have no choice but to watch the premiere and the episodes in their proper order. Season 3 was a bit better in this regard--having more stand-alone adventures, but also a major story arc and prominent sequel episodes. With few exceptions, Seasons 4 and 5 were generally more episodic.

* TrappedByMountainLions: Professor X and Magneto being stranded in the Savage Land during the entire second season. Fortunately, it rarely took up more than a minute or two per episode.
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* TrappedByMountainLions: Professor X and Magneto being are stranded in the Savage Land during for almost the entire second season. Fortunately, For the most part, it rarely took up more than a minute or two per episode.episode. These scenes did ultimately tie into the main story arc. Sauron and a few Mutates were introduced one-by-one to set up their roles in the season finale. Mister Sinister's machinations, the reason why mutant powers were disabled in the region, and the fate of Ka-Zar's tribe were also foreshadowed. On the other hand, Xavier and Magneto just seemed to be wandering around the area rather than trying to figure out what was going on or trying to escape[[note]]it wasn't until the season finale that they made a point of trying to reach the mini-jet that Xavier had flown there[[/note]], which contributed to the sense that these scenes were just there to take up time.
19th Dec '15 4:10:37 PM zealots
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** What makes Wolverine such a [[LoveItOrHateIt frustrating]] example of this trope is that the character is basically a KarmaHoudini on wheels -- other Marvel U AntiHero characters like ComicBook/ThePunisher, [[ComicBook/{{Venom}} Agent Venom]], and in the X-Universe SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}} and most pointedly ComicBook/{{Cyclops}}, '''all''' suffer the consequences of their JerkAss behavior through generous doses of ZeroPercentApprovalRating, CantGetAwayWithNuthin, etc. Logan is a character with a body count behind him that would make most SerialKiller characters blush yet enjoys a consistent HundredPercentAdorationRating and is regarded as a trusted ally of characters like Captain America, Spider-Man, etc... you know, the same people who would be calling for him to stand trial [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality if he were anyone else]]. In general, both the character ''[[RunningTheAsylum and the narrative]]'' bend over backwards to handwave Wolverine's crimes. At one point Logan even [[MoralMyopia says himself]] that he's only ever killed people who deserved it; as his victims mostly consist of various {{Mooks}} and RedShirts, the narrative treats this as him telling it like it is rather than the WhatTheHellHero moment it ought to be.
14th Dec '15 12:25:44 AM KingClark
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** Morph was in the first episodes ''entirely'' for the purpose [[RedShirt of being killed off]] so the writers could show how serious the series would be. However, his unexpected popularity led to him being revived in the second season.]
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** Morph was in the first episodes ''entirely'' for the purpose [[RedShirt of being killed off]] so the writers could show how serious the series would be. However, his unexpected popularity led to him being revived in the second season.]
13th Dec '15 8:11:48 PM nombretomado
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** A new one has appeared as of the revelation of the ''AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' line that [[spoiler:the Terrigen Mists are now lethal to mutants for ''some reason'', they have decimated mutants back down to an endangered species, and Cyclops has done ''something'' (that will be an ongoing mystery) to piss off the world back into "Kill All Mutants" mode-and ''this'' has made whichever mutants (that aren't the X-Men) that are still alive to pull stakes and get the hell out of Dodge]]. The fact that this [[YankTheDogsChain yanks the dog's chain]] of the ending of ''AvengersVsXMen'', [[spoiler:turns Cyclops into an ''even bigger'' douchebag after A.V.X. turned him into a pariah-seeking terrorist and arcs like ''BattleOfTheAtom'' showcased some amount of TheExtremistWasRight]] and seriously disconnects the readers from any supposed connection with mutant hood (it's supposed to stand in for any persecuted minority, but [[spoiler:becoming a ''nearly-extinct'' minority ''twice in a row'' with only a year or so of breathing time at the most]] seriously kills the WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief) has caused many people to decry the storyline for DarknessInducedAudienceApathy, while others are accepting of the new story set-ups despite of what is still an excess.
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** A new one has appeared as of the revelation of the ''AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' line that [[spoiler:the Terrigen Mists are now lethal to mutants for ''some reason'', they have decimated mutants back down to an endangered species, and Cyclops has done ''something'' (that will be an ongoing mystery) to piss off the world back into "Kill All Mutants" mode-and ''this'' has made whichever mutants (that aren't the X-Men) that are still alive to pull stakes and get the hell out of Dodge]]. The fact that this [[YankTheDogsChain yanks the dog's chain]] of the ending of ''AvengersVsXMen'', ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'', [[spoiler:turns Cyclops into an ''even bigger'' douchebag after A.V.X. turned him into a pariah-seeking terrorist and arcs like ''BattleOfTheAtom'' ''ComicBook/BattleOfTheAtom'' showcased some amount of TheExtremistWasRight]] and seriously disconnects the readers from any supposed connection with mutant hood (it's supposed to stand in for any persecuted minority, but [[spoiler:becoming a ''nearly-extinct'' minority ''twice in a row'' with only a year or so of breathing time at the most]] seriously kills the WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief) has caused many people to decry the storyline for DarknessInducedAudienceApathy, while others are accepting of the new story set-ups despite of what is still an excess.
7th Dec '15 6:38:58 AM Anicomicgeek
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Not YMMV.
** TheNineties are pretty much a ''landfill'' of these, thanks to the high creator turnover and endless backstage politics going on at the time. A lot of villains from the era (indeed, entire villain ''teams'' fall under this umbrella) had massive potential but thanks to poor writing are barely remembered today (The Acolytes, the Upstarts, the Externals, etc). There's also the characters that never even got a ''chance'' to show their stuff, like Adrienne Frost, Genesis and Haven. If you ever wondering why the segment of the fandom that's Nineties-centric just tunes out of the current Cyclops VS Wolverine rigmarole altogether, well, this is why. It's possible that even Marvel editorial's finally recognized it, as they recently announced a new ''1992 X-Men'' series that might just breathe new life until all these forgotten plots and give these unappreciated characters their due.
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** TheNineties UsefulNotes/TheNineties are pretty much a ''landfill'' of these, thanks to the high creator turnover and endless backstage politics going on at the time. A lot of villains from the era (indeed, entire villain ''teams'' fall under this umbrella) had massive potential but thanks to poor writing are barely remembered today (The Acolytes, the Upstarts, the Externals, etc). There's also the characters that never even got a ''chance'' to show their stuff, like Adrienne Frost, Genesis and Haven. If you ever wondering why the segment of the fandom that's Nineties-centric just tunes out of the current Cyclops VS Wolverine rigmarole altogether, well, this is why. It's possible that even Marvel editorial's finally recognized it, as they recently announced a new ''1992 X-Men'' series that might just breathe new life until all these forgotten plots and give these unappreciated characters their due.

* AdaptationalBadass: A lot of people find this version of Apocalypse much more badass than the one from the comics.
5th Dec '15 3:41:48 PM X2X
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* AwesomeMusic: The [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsf7foyXIt8 intro]] and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-V2yvedY6U Stage 1 music,]] which both served to hype players up into playing the game to hear more.
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* AwesomeMusic: The [[http://www.[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsf7foyXIt8 intro]] and [[http://www.[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-V2yvedY6U Stage 1 music,]] which both served to hype players up into playing the game to hear more.

* HilariousInHindsight: Among the game's stable of {{Mooks}}, there are [[PaletteSwap recolored]] Sentinels that sport a blue-and-orange paint job, first appearing in the second stage. Fast forward to the early 2000s and the fan-modded custom colors for ''[[VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom2 MvC2]]'' and... [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZZUMjoxfZA "OH HE GOT DAT MANGO SENTINEL!"]]
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* HilariousInHindsight: Among the game's stable of {{Mooks}}, there are [[PaletteSwap recolored]] Sentinels that sport a blue-and-orange paint job, first appearing in the second stage. Fast forward to the early 2000s and the fan-modded custom colors for ''[[VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom2 MvC2]]'' and... [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZZUMjoxfZA "OH HE GOT DAT DA MANGO SENTINEL!"]]

* MemeticMutation: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdAmkx8eAos "Welcome to DIE!"]] and [[FountainOfMemes the myriad other dialogue]] voiced by our favorite [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjuWKAMAlQU "Master of Magnet."]] The former was so notable, it was {{ascended|Meme}} ([[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tl7Bbn5niI by none other than]] SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}}) in ''VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom3''. ** Then there's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPLpovcDujw the sound Colossus makes when using his Mutant Power.]] The "WHOAAAAAARGH!" has become the unofficial rallying cry for [[http://www.magfest.org MAGFest]] [[note]](after that sound reverberated through the arcade room one too many times)[[/note]]. Shouting it at nearly any time will usually be answered with others shouting "WHOAAAAAARGH!" themselves. [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome They even got]] Creator/NobuoUematsu [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBYjlggRLPE to do it on stage!]]
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* MemeticMutation: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdAmkx8eAos "Welcome to DIE!"]] and [[FountainOfMemes the myriad other dialogue]] voiced by our favorite [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjuWKAMAlQU "Master of Magnet."]] The former was so notable, it was {{ascended|Meme}} ([[http://www.([[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tl7Bbn5niI by none other than]] SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}}) in ''VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom3''. ** Then there's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPLpovcDujw the sound Colossus makes when using his Mutant Power.]] The "WHOAAAAAARGH!" has become the unofficial rallying cry for [[http://www.magfest.org MAGFest]] [[note]](after that sound reverberated through the arcade room one too many times)[[/note]]. Shouting it at nearly any time will usually be answered with others shouting "WHOAAAAAARGH!" themselves. [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome They even got]] Creator/NobuoUematsu [[http://www.[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBYjlggRLPE to do it on stage!]]

* SoBadItsGood: The cutscenes and dialogue, and possibly the simple gameplay. According to [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8QBiLxoJVQ IGN's video review:]] "Sometimes something is so terrible that it's fantastic, and that's more or less the case here."
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* SoBadItsGood: The cutscenes and dialogue, and possibly the simple gameplay. According to [[http://www.[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8QBiLxoJVQ IGN's video review:]] "Sometimes something is so terrible that it's fantastic, and that's more or less the case here."
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