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21st May '16 4:07:59 AM SorPepita
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* NightmareFuel / NauseaFuel: [[http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101201003936/marveldatabase/images/7/7e/Ichisumi_%28Earth-616%29.jpg Ichisumi]] [[http://marvel.wikia.com/Ichisumi_%28Earth-616%29 the Pestilence]], a.k.a. one of Apocalypse's Horsemen. Her mutant power is to release an infestation of near omnivorous yume beetles stored within her own body by dislodging her jaw, spawning from her mouth in massive swarms either devouring or disfiguring her intended mark. She is also able to mentally link with them when they return to her as each and every individual being her colony consumes also imparts unto them; and subsequently upon their habitat/queen, much of the victims memories. You think the power to control insects like ''ComicBook/AntMan''[='s=] power is lame? Think again!

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* NightmareFuel / NauseaFuel: [[http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101201003936/marveldatabase/images/7/7e/Ichisumi_%28Earth-616%29.jpg Ichisumi]] [[http://marvel.wikia.com/Ichisumi_%28Earth-616%29 the Pestilence]], a.k.a. one of Apocalypse's Horsemen. Her mutant power is to release an infestation of near omnivorous yume beetles stored within her own body by dislodging her jaw, spawning from her mouth in massive swarms either devouring or disfiguring her intended mark. She is also able to mentally link with them when they return to her as each and every individual being her colony consumes also imparts unto them; and subsequently upon their habitat/queen, much of the victims victims' memories. You think the power to control insects like ''ComicBook/AntMan''[='s=] power is lame? Think again!
21st May '16 4:05:03 AM Anddrix
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* CanonSue: Wolverine, at least in recent years, when his former fans have became writers at Marvel. It's not usually so bad when the writers instead focus on other characters, but sometimes it can be quite extreme.
** As Wolverine's OppositeSexClone, it's perhaps not a surprise that X-23 falls into this too. Run, don't walk, away from any issue [[WriterOnBoard her creator]] Craig Kyle has penned.



* JerkSue: In the hands of some writers, Kitty Pryde, Cyclops, Emma Frost, and Wolverine. Logan especially, considering that he's been used for JerkassHasAPoint moments too many times that whenever he criticizes anyone for their behavior, he's almost undoubtedly done the exact thing he's condemning. At this point, being a giant hypocrite is slowly becoming a character trait for Logan.
** What makes Wolverine such a [[LoveItOrHateIt frustrating]] example of this trope is that the character is basically a KarmaHoudini on wheels -- other Marvel U AntiHero characters like ComicBook/ThePunisher, [[ComicBook/{{Venom}} Agent Venom]], and in the X-Universe SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}} and most pointedly ComicBook/{{Cyclops}}, '''all''' suffer the consequences of their JerkAss behavior through generous doses of ZeroPercentApprovalRating, CantGetAwayWithNuthin, etc. Logan is a character with a body count behind him that would make most SerialKiller characters blush yet enjoys a consistent HundredPercentAdorationRating and is regarded as a trusted ally of characters like Captain America, Spider-Man, etc... you know, the same people who would be calling for him to stand trial [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality if he were anyone else]]. In general, both the character ''[[RunningTheAsylum and the narrative]]'' bend over backwards to handwave Wolverine's crimes. At one point Logan even [[MoralMyopia says himself]] that he's only ever killed people who deserved it; as his victims mostly consist of various {{Mooks}} and RedShirts, the narrative treats this as him telling it like it is rather than the WhatTheHellHero moment it ought to be.
21st May '16 4:02:40 AM SorPepita
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** Nightcrawler's faith. It was never intended as a major aspect of his character, in fact most of the time he wasn't even all that religious, but in the hands of some less-than-talented writers [[labelnote:*]](*cough*Chuck Austen*cough*)[[/labelnote]], it's like he exists to be the token Christian, only for a change of writers to result in this being ignored or downplayed again. Similarly, Northstar's sexuality. Him being gay, other than making him one of the most well known gay superheroes, isn't really that big of a deal to his character at large. His [[{{Jerkass}} personality]] doesn't hinder on the fact he's gay. Yet, in the hands of some people[[labelnote:*]](*cough*Chuck Austin*cough*)[[/labelnote]], its like all that matters is that he's gay.
** Emma Frost(rightfully) gets a buttload of this due to the fact that she manipulated and essentially ''[[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale ra]][[DoubleStandardRapeSciFi ped]]'' Scott and [[KarmaHoudini got away with it]] by starting a relationship with him after Jean's death. The fact that she is his ''therapist'' just made her into more of a colossal bitch. This is somewhat in-universe at well: Rachel Summers never forgave her for having an affair with Scott, although thankfully she never learns of the whole story. Their relationship was mercifully terminated during the Avengers vs X-men events, although Scott never calls her out on her actions.

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** Nightcrawler's faith. It was never intended as a major aspect of his character, in fact most of the time he wasn't even all that religious, but in the hands of some less-than-talented writers [[labelnote:*]](*cough*Chuck Austen*cough*)[[/labelnote]], it's like he exists to be the token Christian, only for a change of writers to result in this being ignored or downplayed again. Similarly, Northstar's sexuality. Him being gay, other than making him one of the most well known gay superheroes, isn't really that big of a deal to his character at large. His [[{{Jerkass}} personality]] doesn't hinder on the fact he's gay. Yet, in the hands of some people[[labelnote:*]](*cough*Chuck Austin*cough*)[[/labelnote]], its it's like all that matters is that he's gay.
** Emma Frost(rightfully) Frost (rightfully) gets a buttload of this due to the fact that she manipulated and essentially ''[[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale ra]][[DoubleStandardRapeSciFi ped]]'' Scott and [[KarmaHoudini got away with it]] by starting a relationship with him after Jean's death. The fact that she is his ''therapist'' just made her into more of a colossal bitch. This is somewhat in-universe at well: Rachel Summers never forgave her for having an affair with Scott, although thankfully she never learns of the whole story. Their relationship was mercifully terminated during the Avengers vs X-men events, although Scott never calls her out on her actions.
21st May '16 3:56:41 AM SorPepita
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* {{Misblamed}}: The weird way [[StrangledByTheRedString Cyclops and Emma Frost were hooked up]] and Jean Grey dying were never Grant Morrison't intention. He had something entirely different planned out but [[ExecutiveMeddling an editorial proclamation forced him to change it at the last minute]].

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* {{Misblamed}}: The weird way [[StrangledByTheRedString Cyclops and Emma Frost were hooked up]] and Jean Grey dying were never Grant Morrison't Morrison's intention. He had something entirely different planned out but [[ExecutiveMeddling an editorial proclamation forced him to change it at the last minute]].
21st May '16 3:43:30 AM SorPepita
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** HypocriticalFandom: And, as a result, there's been a lot of hypocritical claims from both sides too. X-Men fans have been in uproar over Marvel's apparent favourtism towards the Avengers due to Marvel Studios owning and producing the film rights of the Avengers, but a lot of the 'evidence' of this apparent conspiracy to undermine the Fox-produced X-Men films is either questionable at best or outright fabrication at worst, or even things the X-Men fandom enjoy themselves now such as multiple books about their sub-teams, solo-books for their characters, and publicity towards their regular events. Conversely, a lot of the criticisms thrown at the X-Men (being too dark, exaggerated depiction of incompetent or abusive government and law enforcement figures, frequently recruiting former villains, LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters, preachy anvilicious messages, etc) are largely criticisms that equally fit the Avengers too, as well as other big superhero teams like DC's ''Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}}'' and TeenTitans. In general, the only thing that Marvel are doing for one that they're not doing for the other is producing a current animated show for X-Men, which is something they've done repeatedly in the past for the X-Men and only recently started doing for the Avengers (X-Men have had [[WesternAnimation/XMen three]] [[WesternAnimation/XMenEvolution animated]] [[WesternAnimation/WolverineAndTheXMen shows]] and an [[Anime/XMen anime]], while the Avengers have [[WesternAnimation/TheAvengersUnitedTheyStand now]] [[WesternAnimation/TheAvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes had]] [[WesternAnimation/AvengersAssemble the]] [[Anime/MarvelDiskWarsTheAvengers same]]).

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** HypocriticalFandom: And, as a result, there's been a lot of hypocritical claims from both sides too. X-Men fans have been in uproar over Marvel's apparent favourtism favouritism towards the Avengers due to Marvel Studios owning and producing the film rights of the Avengers, but a lot of the 'evidence' of this apparent conspiracy to undermine the Fox-produced X-Men films is either questionable at best or outright fabrication at worst, or even things the X-Men fandom enjoy themselves now such as multiple books about their sub-teams, solo-books for their characters, and publicity towards their regular events. Conversely, a lot of the criticisms thrown at the X-Men (being too dark, exaggerated depiction of incompetent or abusive government and law enforcement figures, frequently recruiting former villains, LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters, preachy anvilicious messages, etc) etc.) are largely criticisms that equally fit the Avengers too, as well as other big superhero teams like DC's ''Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}}'' and TeenTitans. In general, the only thing that Marvel are doing for one that they're not doing for the other is producing a current animated show for X-Men, which is something they've done repeatedly in the past for the X-Men and only recently started doing for the Avengers (X-Men have had [[WesternAnimation/XMen three]] [[WesternAnimation/XMenEvolution animated]] [[WesternAnimation/WolverineAndTheXMen shows]] and an [[Anime/XMen anime]], while the Avengers have [[WesternAnimation/TheAvengersUnitedTheyStand now]] [[WesternAnimation/TheAvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes had]] [[WesternAnimation/AvengersAssemble the]] [[Anime/MarvelDiskWarsTheAvengers same]]).
20th May '16 4:18:49 AM KlawKalash
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** In recent years, either (or both) Cyclops and Wolverine have became this, depending on your opinion. Either, Cyclops has became an extremist who refuses to accept responsibility and justifies his actions with weak excuses, or Wolverine has became a hypocrite who would rather pick a fight with his allies then actually deal with the bad guy, and often wastes time doing so and get incredibly douchey in his arguments despite supposedly being who we're supposed to side with. That's all that should or needs to be said.

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** In recent years, either (or both) Cyclops and Wolverine have became this, depending on your opinion. Either, Cyclops has became an extremist who refuses to accept responsibility and justifies his actions with weak excuses, or Wolverine has became a hypocrite who would rather pick a fight with his allies then actually deal with the bad guy, and often wastes time doing so and get gets incredibly douchey in his arguments despite supposedly being who we're supposed to side with. That's all that should or needs to be said.
20th May '16 4:14:31 AM KlawKalash
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* CanonSue: Wolverine, at least in recent years, when his former fans have became writers at Marvel. Its not usually so bad when the writers instead focus on other characters, but sometimes it can be quite extreme.

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* CanonSue: Wolverine, at least in recent years, when his former fans have became writers at Marvel. Its It's not usually so bad when the writers instead focus on other characters, but sometimes it can be quite extreme.
30th Apr '16 2:39:10 PM ACW
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** Sublime and Kick, also known as the U-Men, are the {{Starter Villain}}s, and make the most of their limited screentime to stand out as truly horrifying monsters. A pair of [[FantasticRacism mutant-hating]] [[SerialKiller serial killers]], the U-Men are known for kidnapping mutants, [[WouldHurtAChild specifically young teens]], then sadistically butchering and vivisecting them, using their organs to upgrade their own cyborg army. Along with this, the U-Men gleefully test out an experimental serum on innocent mutants that transform them into abominations [[AndIMustScream in constant pain]]. When Kick fails at killing the X-Men, he wantonly opens fire on them along with the numerous teenagers and police officers in the area, trying to kill anyone he can. Sublime, having left Kick to his fate, returns with a powerful suit of armor and tries to kill the X-Men, before blowing himself up in one last attempt on their lives. The U-Men both spend their last moments proclaiming their hatred and disgust for all mutantkind, and were defined by these throughout the series, showing that [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters humans could be just as wicked as the far more powerful mutants of their world]].
** [[MasterOfIllusion Mastermind]], real name [[TheChessmaster Jason Wyngarde]], is the leader of the Inner Circle, a group of mutant supremacists, and is [[BigBad behind all the evil in the series]]. The one responsible for Jean Grey's rampage across a city and her own death by transforming her into [[PersonOfMassDestruction the Phoenix]], Mastermind [[FrameUp framed his former lover]], ComicBook/EmmaFrost, as responsible for Jean's death as revenge for [[EvilIsPetty Frost leaving him]]. Working with the aforementioned mutant-killing U-Men (who are unaware that Mastermind is a mutant), Mastermind fully endorses their crimes, and uses them to learn of a powerful mutant residing in Japan, where he uses his abilities to ingratiate himself into the lab staff of mutant researcher Yui Sasaki. Learning that the powerful mutant is Sasaki's own teenage son, [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Takeo]], who has [[RealityWarper reality-warping powers]], Mastermind spends months secretly using his powers to MindRape the boy into near insanity. After the X-Men out him as the villain he is, Mastermind amplifies his psychological torture on Takeo, driving the boy into a [[AndIMustScream horrifying state of death-longing insanity]] as [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity his powers go out of control]]. While holding numerous X-Men, one of which is a barely trained young girl, hostage, and using his powers to torture Cyclops, Mastermind reveals he plans to unleash Takeo's powers on the world like he attempted with Jean Grey, then watch the worldwide destruction and chaos that unfolds before him. Believing himself and all mutants to be the MasterRace of the Earth, Mastermind committed all of his crimes with a [[FauxAffablyEvil polite and cheerful attitude]], treating his atrocities as his "right" to perpetrate for being at the top of the evolutionary food chain.
17th Apr '16 11:28:11 AM siberia82
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** ''YMMV/XMen1''
** ''YMMV/X2XMenUnited''


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** ''YMMV/{{Deadpool 2016}}''
5th Apr '16 2:15:32 PM zealots
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* BadassDecay: ComicBook/JeanGrey in the comics is one of the most powerful X-Men characters. By contrast, she suffers a ''heavy'' case of AdaptationalWimp in the show, with her telepathy usually backfiring on her or her telekinesis not holding up well under strain. It was likely that this nerfing was intentional, as she would otherwise be at StoryLevelBreaker power levels (tellingly, the villain Exodus, himself a frequent wielder of StoryBreakerPower, was one of the few characters who never made an appearance in the show). The Season 3 adaptation of the Dark Phoenix Saga is the only time Jean comes anywhere close to her comic book level of power.

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* BadassDecay: ComicBook/JeanGrey in the comics is one of the most powerful X-Men characters. By contrast, she suffers a ''heavy'' case of AdaptationalWimp in the show, with her telepathy usually backfiring on her or her telekinesis not holding up well under strain. It was likely that this nerfing was intentional, as she would otherwise be at StoryLevelBreaker power StoryBreakerPower levels (tellingly, the villain Exodus, himself a frequent wielder of StoryBreakerPower, was one of the few characters who never made an appearance in the show). The Season 3 adaptation of the Dark Phoenix Saga is the only time Jean comes anywhere close to her comic book level of power.
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