History YMMV / XMen

4th Jan '18 7:54:59 PM abby-anne
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: In rough order of severity and depending on the writer, Kitty Pryde, Cyclops, Professor X, Emma Frost, and Wolverine. Logan especially, considering that he's been used for JerkassHasAPoint moments too many times that whenever he criticizes anyone for their behavior, he's almost undoubtedly done the exact thing he's condemning. At this point, being a giant hypocrite is slowly becoming a character trait for Logan.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: In rough order of severity and depending on the writer, Kitty Pryde, Cyclops, Professor X, Magneto, Emma Frost, and Wolverine. Logan especially, considering that he's been used for JerkassHasAPoint moments too many times that whenever he criticizes anyone for their behavior, he's almost undoubtedly done the exact thing he's condemning. At this point, being a giant hypocrite is slowly becoming a character trait for Logan.
11th Dec '17 10:20:15 AM GrigorII
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* SacredCow: Creator/ChrisClaremont himself is this on various forums (like Comic Book Resources), where so much as saying that Claremont isn't all he's cracked up to be, or that he's past his prime, or anything of the sort can be akin to facing an angry mob. This mainly comes up in regards to his original 16+year ''X-Men'' run, but you can still get similar responses to just about anything the man's wrote. (Or theoretically ''could'' write, such as an ''Avengers'' run, for example...) In particular, saying Claremont's handling of women was anything other than perfect can get you tarred and feathered in the right circles.
11th Dec '17 9:36:11 AM Anddrix
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** What makes Wolverine such a [[LoveItOrHateIt frustrating]] example of this trope is that the character is basically a KarmaHoudini on wheels -- other Marvel U AntiHero characters like ComicBook/ThePunisher, [[ComicBook/{{Venom}} Agent Venom]], and in the X-Universe ComicBook/{{Magneto}} and most pointedly ComicBook/{{Cyclops}}, '''all''' suffer the consequences of their JerkAss behavior through generous doses of ZeroPercentApprovalRating, CantGetAwayWithNuthin, etc. Logan is a character with a body count behind him that would make most SerialKiller characters blush yet enjoys a consistent HundredPercentAdorationRating and is regarded as a trusted ally of characters like Captain America, Spider-Man, etc... you know, the same people who would be calling for him to stand trial [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality if he were anyone else]]. In general, both the character ''[[RunningTheAsylum and the narrative]]'' bend over backwards to handwave Wolverine's crimes. At one point Logan even [[MoralMyopia says himself]] that he's only ever killed people who deserved it; as his victims mostly consist of various {{Mooks}} and RedShirts, the narrative treats this as him telling it like it is rather than the WhatTheHellHero moment it ought to be.

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** What makes Wolverine such a [[LoveItOrHateIt frustrating]] frustrating example of this trope is that the character is basically a KarmaHoudini on wheels -- other Marvel U AntiHero characters like ComicBook/ThePunisher, [[ComicBook/{{Venom}} Agent Venom]], and in the X-Universe ComicBook/{{Magneto}} and most pointedly ComicBook/{{Cyclops}}, '''all''' suffer the consequences of their JerkAss behavior through generous doses of ZeroPercentApprovalRating, CantGetAwayWithNuthin, etc. Logan is a character with a body count behind him that would make most SerialKiller characters blush yet enjoys a consistent HundredPercentAdorationRating and is regarded as a trusted ally of characters like Captain America, Spider-Man, etc... you know, the same people who would be calling for him to stand trial [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality if he were anyone else]]. In general, both the character ''[[RunningTheAsylum and the narrative]]'' bend over backwards to handwave Wolverine's crimes. At one point Logan even [[MoralMyopia says himself]] that he's only ever killed people who deserved it; as his victims mostly consist of various {{Mooks}} and RedShirts, the narrative treats this as him telling it like it is rather than the WhatTheHellHero moment it ought to be.
9th Dec '17 10:21:34 AM erforce
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** For whatever reason, the half of X-Men fandom's BrokenBase that favors Wolverine finds themselves buttered up a lot more than the side that wants him to go away. Any issue with a lineup of X-Men will usually feature Wolverine will be front and center. There was even a cartoon series called ''WesternAnimation/WolverineAndTheXMen'', [[SpotlightStealingTitle where the X-Men got second billing]]. The first three ''Film/XMen'' films (especially the third one) are arguably more like Wolverine films than X-Men films.

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** For whatever reason, the half of X-Men fandom's BrokenBase that favors Wolverine finds themselves buttered up a lot more than the side that wants him to go away. Any issue with a lineup of X-Men will usually feature Wolverine will be front and center. There was even a cartoon series called ''WesternAnimation/WolverineAndTheXMen'', [[SpotlightStealingTitle where the X-Men got second billing]]. The first three ''Film/XMen'' ''[[Film/XMenFilmSeries X-Men]]'' films (especially [[Film/XMenTheLastStand the third one) one]]) are arguably more like Wolverine films than X-Men films.



* CantUnhearIt: ''X-Men: The Animated Series'' provided a lot of very iconic and popular voices for characters associated with the ComicBook/XMen that fans, particularly the ones who grew up in the 90's, tend to read the comics in the show's voices. Due to the large popularity the show has, fans tend to hear Cedric Smith as Professor X, Norm Spencer as ComicBook/{{Cyclops}}, Catherine Disher as ComicBook/JeanGrey, George Buza as Beast, Creator/CalDodd as ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}, Alison Sealy Smith or Iona Morris as ComicBook/{{Storm}}, Chris Porter or Tony Daniels as ComicBook/{{Gambit}}, Creator/LenoreZann as ComicBook/{{Rogue}}, and Creator/AlysonCourt as Jubilee. Additionally, the series provided popular voices for the enemies of the X-Men, especially David Hamblem as ComicBook/{{Magneto}}.

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* CantUnhearIt: ''X-Men: The Animated Series'' provided a lot of very iconic and popular voices for characters associated with the ComicBook/XMen X-Men that fans, particularly the ones who grew up in the 90's, tend to read the comics in the show's voices. Due to the large popularity the show has, fans tend to hear Cedric Smith as Professor X, Norm Spencer as ComicBook/{{Cyclops}}, Catherine Disher as ComicBook/JeanGrey, George Buza as Beast, Creator/CalDodd as ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}, Alison Sealy Smith or Iona Morris as ComicBook/{{Storm}}, Chris Porter or Tony Daniels as ComicBook/{{Gambit}}, Creator/LenoreZann as ComicBook/{{Rogue}}, and Creator/AlysonCourt as Jubilee. Additionally, the series provided popular voices for the enemies of the X-Men, especially David Hamblem as ComicBook/{{Magneto}}.



** In the unaired pilot episode ''Pryde of the X-Men'', Wolverine has a [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4d7TEvwznA noticeable Australian accent.]] Now ''[[Creator/HughJackman who]]'' portrays Wolverine in the [[Film/XMen film series]]?

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** In the unaired pilot episode ''Pryde of the X-Men'', Wolverine has a [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4d7TEvwznA noticeable Australian accent.]] Now ''[[Creator/HughJackman who]]'' portrays Wolverine in the [[Film/XMen [[Film/XMenFilmSeries film series]]?
24th Oct '17 10:07:44 PM NightShade96
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The opening theme.

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2jTogBrWrA The opening theme.theme]], which sounds truly epic.
16th Oct '17 2:43:50 PM Scorntex
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** The reason for Storm's severe claustrophobia: When she was a little girl, a plane involved in the Suez Crisis dropped on her family's house, killing her parents instantly, and burying Ororo under the rubble, where she stayed for days... with her mother's mangled corpse ''right in front of her''.
13th Oct '17 2:27:13 AM Silverblade2
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** What makes Wolverine such a [[LoveItOrHateIt frustrating]] example of this trope is that the character is basically a KarmaHoudini on wheels -- other Marvel U AntiHero characters like ComicBook/ThePunisher, [[ComicBook/{{Venom}} Agent Venom]], and in the X-Universe SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}} and most pointedly ComicBook/{{Cyclops}}, '''all''' suffer the consequences of their JerkAss behavior through generous doses of ZeroPercentApprovalRating, CantGetAwayWithNuthin, etc. Logan is a character with a body count behind him that would make most SerialKiller characters blush yet enjoys a consistent HundredPercentAdorationRating and is regarded as a trusted ally of characters like Captain America, Spider-Man, etc... you know, the same people who would be calling for him to stand trial [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality if he were anyone else]]. In general, both the character ''[[RunningTheAsylum and the narrative]]'' bend over backwards to handwave Wolverine's crimes. At one point Logan even [[MoralMyopia says himself]] that he's only ever killed people who deserved it; as his victims mostly consist of various {{Mooks}} and RedShirts, the narrative treats this as him telling it like it is rather than the WhatTheHellHero moment it ought to be.

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** What makes Wolverine such a [[LoveItOrHateIt frustrating]] example of this trope is that the character is basically a KarmaHoudini on wheels -- other Marvel U AntiHero characters like ComicBook/ThePunisher, [[ComicBook/{{Venom}} Agent Venom]], and in the X-Universe SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}} ComicBook/{{Magneto}} and most pointedly ComicBook/{{Cyclops}}, '''all''' suffer the consequences of their JerkAss behavior through generous doses of ZeroPercentApprovalRating, CantGetAwayWithNuthin, etc. Logan is a character with a body count behind him that would make most SerialKiller characters blush yet enjoys a consistent HundredPercentAdorationRating and is regarded as a trusted ally of characters like Captain America, Spider-Man, etc... you know, the same people who would be calling for him to stand trial [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality if he were anyone else]]. In general, both the character ''[[RunningTheAsylum and the narrative]]'' bend over backwards to handwave Wolverine's crimes. At one point Logan even [[MoralMyopia says himself]] that he's only ever killed people who deserved it; as his victims mostly consist of various {{Mooks}} and RedShirts, the narrative treats this as him telling it like it is rather than the WhatTheHellHero moment it ought to be.



* MemeticMutation: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdAmkx8eAos "Welcome to DIE!"]] and [[FountainOfMemes the myriad other dialogue]] voiced by our favorite [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjuWKAMAlQU "Master of Magnet."]] The former was so notable, it was {{ascended|Meme}} ([[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tl7Bbn5niI by none other than]] SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}}) in ''VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom3''.

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* MemeticMutation: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdAmkx8eAos "Welcome to DIE!"]] and [[FountainOfMemes the myriad other dialogue]] voiced by our favorite [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjuWKAMAlQU "Master of Magnet."]] The former was so notable, it was {{ascended|Meme}} ([[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tl7Bbn5niI by none other than]] SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}}) ComicBook/{{Deadpool}}) in ''VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom3''.
12th Oct '17 3:55:25 PM tetsuzan
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** The Shaman from Manga/SamuraiDeeperKyo are Mutant in all but name as they are only called Shaman because they would usually train in the clerical arts as a way to control their abilities. Which could explain why Charles Xavier is such a powerful teleapath? Xavier's knowledge of the body and its energies/chakras has gained him the unofficial degree of a seasoned Zen master, allotting him the ability to keep in the prime of his physique.
17th Sep '17 12:32:16 PM FierceArtist
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* FridgeHorror: The end of "Bloodlines" has the High Command of the Friends of Humanity chastise Graydon Greed for his failure to kill off his mutant family members, but give him "one final chance" to redeem himself by assigning a mission to kill Sabretooth, his father. Given that Sabretooth is also implied to have ''horribly abused Graydon'' to the point that he inspired his hatred of mutants and created the organisation, that Graydon Creed is still deathly afraid of him (more so because he doesn't age, and is still a man in his prime), and that Sabretooth is seemingly bemused (if not displeased) that his son who became in his words "the infamous slayer of mutants" is now in front of his doorstep, it seems less of an assignment to Graydon Creed, and more of [[YouHaveFailedMe a death sentence for his failure]].

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The end of "Bloodlines" has the High Command of the Friends of Humanity chastise Graydon Greed for his failure to kill off his mutant family members, but give him "one final chance" to redeem himself by assigning a mission to kill Sabretooth, his father. Given that Sabretooth is also implied to have ''horribly abused Graydon'' to the point that he inspired his hatred of mutants and created the organisation, that Graydon Creed is still deathly afraid of him (more so because he doesn't age, and is still a man in his prime), and that Sabretooth is seemingly bemused (if not displeased) that his son who became in his words "the infamous slayer of mutants" is now in front of his doorstep, it seems less of an assignment to Graydon Creed, and more of [[YouHaveFailedMe a death sentence for his failure]].failure]].
** The episode "Descent" reveals that Mister Sinister was married to a woman named Rebecca Grey, heavily implied to be an ancestor of Jean Grey, which while providing context, makes [[StalkerWithATestTube his creepy obsession with her]] all the more disturbing. It's even worse when you consider that he experimented on his wife (it was to save her life, but still), and may have been the reason why the x-gene passed on to Jean.
11th Sep '17 7:04:56 AM GrigorII
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* ItsBeenDone: The X-Men ''themselves'' are sometimes accused of this, of being a rip off of DC's ComicBook/DoomPatrol. Both were created at nearly the same time, and had many similarities. Both teams main premise is that their heroes are actually outcasts from society, feared and treated as "monsters" for their powers (a theme that was not so common back then). Both are led by a grown up man in a wheelchair, who makes up for that handicap with his mind (in the case of Charles Xavier it's mind powers, Niles Caulder is an OmnidisciplinaryScientist). The tagline for the Doom Patrol was "The world's strangest heroes", and the tagline for the X-Men was "The strangest super-heroes of all". The enemy group of the Doom Patrol was the "Brotherhood of evil", and the enemy group of the X-Men was the "Brotherhood of evil mutants". Still, things are not so clear-cut. As a new comic would take at least some months from author creation to hitting the stands, Lee and Kirby should have known about DC's plans in advance to create the X-Men and publish them in time (or, if we go the spy route, perhaps it was DC who discovered Kirby's great idea and beat him to it). In any case, the original Doom Patrol was a short-lived comic, and nowadays both teams have evolved into products with very little in common with their early versions, so the old controversy is a moot point and few people really cares about it.
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