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18th Aug '16 7:37:01 PM Temmere
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** Wolverine went the other direction in ''Comicbook/UncanmnyAvengers'', where he was portrayed as a [[BloodKnight bloodthirsty idiot]] whose main role was being [[CharacterFilibuster lectured at]] by the more "enlightened" members of the team. This, naturally, didn't satisfy many people either.

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** Wolverine went the other direction in ''Comicbook/UncanmnyAvengers'', ''Comicbook/UncannyAvengers'', where he was portrayed as a [[BloodKnight bloodthirsty idiot]] whose main role was being [[CharacterFilibuster lectured at]] by the more "enlightened" members of the team. This, naturally, didn't satisfy many people either.
17th Aug '16 8:22:22 AM MrDeath
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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWTad94mre8 The Japanese version ain't slacking off either.]] [[SuspiciouslySimilarSong Oh Wait... scroll down]]. As Honest Trailers put it, sugoi.

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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWTad94mre8 The Japanese version ain't slacking off either.]] [[SuspiciouslySimilarSong Oh Wait... scroll down]]. As Honest Trailers put it, sugoi.
17th Aug '16 4:49:10 AM NonperformingAuthor
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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWTad94mre8 The Japanese version ain't slacking off either.]] [[SuspiciouslySimilarSong Oh Wait... scroll down]].

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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWTad94mre8 The Japanese version ain't slacking off either.]] [[SuspiciouslySimilarSong Oh Wait... scroll down]]. As Honest Trailers put it, sugoi.
13th Aug '16 7:32:03 AM WhatArtThee
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids?: This show was pretty ambitious and revolutionary for it's time. It had actual plots and story arcs, characters could be KilledOffForReal, and serious subjects like death and bigotry were handled well

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids?: This show was pretty ambitious and revolutionary for it's time. It had actual plots and story arcs, characters Characters could be KilledOffForReal, and serious subjects like death and bigotry were handled wellwell.
10th Aug '16 5:49:44 PM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: Two main ones, on opposing sides. You either think Wolverine's the most badass and complex creation to come out of comics and Cyclops is a douchebag boring whiner who would be better suited as a villain, or that Wolverine is overhyped, overpowered, and a real dick, and Cyclops is mishandled, considerably badass, and one of the most complex characters in the comics. Now, combine that with RunningTheAsylum, and we get some truly EpicFail stories and OutOfCharacterMoment stories. Wolverine is actually listed as both an EnsembleDarkhorse ''and'' a CreatorsPet on [[Wiki/TVTropes This Very Wiki]].

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Two main ones, on opposing sides. You either think Wolverine's the most badass and complex creation to come out of comics and Cyclops is a douchebag boring whiner who would be better suited as a villain, or that Wolverine is overhyped, overpowered, and a real dick, and Cyclops is mishandled, considerably badass, and one of the most complex characters in the comics. Now, combine that with RunningTheAsylum, and we get some truly EpicFail stories and OutOfCharacterMoment stories. Wolverine is actually listed as both an EnsembleDarkhorse ''and'' a CreatorsPet on [[Wiki/TVTropes This Very Wiki]].



** While not strictly speaking an X-Men villain, Thanos is this to a segment of the X-Men fandom for the ''exact same reasons'' described above for Apocalypse: laughably VillainSue, StoryBreakerPower with nothing to show for it, a lamer proto-version of ''their'' villain of choice and... [[BaseBreaker yeah]]. The rivalry between Apocalypse and Thanos fans, while simmering in the background compared to the front-and-center Cyclops VS Wolverine argument, is most definitely this.
** A new one has appeared as of the revelation of the ''AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' line that [[spoiler:the Terrigen Mists are now lethal to mutants for ''some reason'', they have decimated mutants back down to an endangered species, and Cyclops has done ''something'' (that will be an ongoing mystery) to piss off the world back into "Kill All Mutants" mode-and ''this'' has made whichever mutants (that aren't the X-Men) that are still alive to pull stakes and get the hell out of Dodge]]. The fact that this [[YankTheDogsChain yanks the dog's chain]] of the ending of ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'', [[spoiler:turns Cyclops into an ''even bigger'' douchebag after A.V.X. turned him into a pariah-seeking terrorist and arcs like ''ComicBook/BattleOfTheAtom'' showcased some amount of TheExtremistWasRight]] and seriously disconnects the readers from any supposed connection with mutant hood (it's supposed to stand in for any persecuted minority, but [[spoiler:becoming a ''nearly-extinct'' minority ''twice in a row'' with only a year or so of breathing time at the most]] seriously kills the WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief) has caused many people to decry the storyline for DarknessInducedAudienceApathy, while others are accepting of the new story set-ups despite of what is still an excess. [[spoiler:There is also the discussion whether this whole situation, rehashing of post-M-Day as some people seem to think it is, is just more fuel to the fire Marvel seems to be pushing on to people of accepting The Inhumans as the new "misunderstood and loathed yet {{Badass}} superhuman species" ''du jour'' (and with ''that'' there is massive discussions about ExecutiveMeddling that are better off discussed elsewhere).]]

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** While not strictly speaking an X-Men villain, Thanos is this to a segment of the X-Men fandom for the ''exact same reasons'' described above for Apocalypse: laughably VillainSue, StoryBreakerPower with nothing to show for it, a lamer proto-version of ''their'' villain of choice and... [[BaseBreaker yeah]].yeah. The rivalry between Apocalypse and Thanos fans, while simmering in the background compared to the front-and-center Cyclops VS Wolverine argument, is most definitely this.
** * BrokenBase: A new one has appeared as of the revelation of the ''AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' line that [[spoiler:the Terrigen Mists are now lethal to mutants for ''some reason'', they have decimated mutants back down to an endangered species, and Cyclops has done ''something'' (that will be an ongoing mystery) to piss off the world back into "Kill All Mutants" mode-and ''this'' has made whichever mutants (that aren't the X-Men) that are still alive to pull stakes and get the hell out of Dodge]]. The fact that this [[YankTheDogsChain yanks the dog's chain]] of the ending of ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'', [[spoiler:turns Cyclops into an ''even bigger'' douchebag after A.V.X. turned him into a pariah-seeking terrorist and arcs like ''ComicBook/BattleOfTheAtom'' showcased some amount of TheExtremistWasRight]] and seriously disconnects the readers from any supposed connection with mutant hood (it's supposed to stand in for any persecuted minority, but [[spoiler:becoming a ''nearly-extinct'' minority ''twice in a row'' with only a year or so of breathing time at the most]] seriously kills the WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief) has caused many people to decry the storyline for DarknessInducedAudienceApathy, while others are accepting of the new story set-ups despite of what is still an excess. [[spoiler:There is also the discussion whether this whole situation, rehashing of post-M-Day as some people seem to think it is, is just more fuel to the fire Marvel seems to be pushing on to people of accepting The Inhumans as the new "misunderstood and loathed yet {{Badass}} superhuman species" ''du jour'' (and with ''that'' there is massive discussions about ExecutiveMeddling that are better off discussed elsewhere).]]



* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Ironically, Wolverine was widely hated when he first debuted, so much that the creative team seriously considered killing him off. (He was spared in favor of Thunderbird since a HealingFactor and WolverineClaws powerset was very unique at the time.) After some character expansion and a SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome, Wolverine became so popular that he's now the face of the X-Men. Though he's become a BaseBreaker since then, partly because his popularity got taken [[WriterOnBoard a bit too far]]...

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Ironically, Wolverine was widely hated when he first debuted, so much that the creative team seriously considered killing him off. (He was spared in favor of Thunderbird since a HealingFactor and WolverineClaws powerset was very unique at the time.) After some character expansion and a SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome, Wolverine became so popular that he's now the face of the X-Men. Though he's become a BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter since then, partly because his popularity got taken [[WriterOnBoard a bit too far]]...



* BaseBreaker: Jubilee is either hated by fans that find her increasingly annoying and her powers to be stupid, or loved by fans that enjoy her spunkiness as well as her playful and innocent attitude. It's a similar case for her in the comic books as well. Some also dislike her for not being ComicBook/KittyPryde, as Jubilee pretty much replaced Kitty in the comics as "Wolverine's sidekick."

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Jubilee is either hated by fans that find her increasingly annoying and her powers to be stupid, or loved by fans that enjoy her spunkiness as well as her playful and innocent attitude. It's a similar case for her in the comic books as well. Some also dislike her for not being ComicBook/KittyPryde, as Jubilee pretty much replaced Kitty in the comics as "Wolverine's sidekick."
21st Jul '16 11:28:27 AM ACW
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** Graydon Creed is the leader of the [[FantasticRacism anti-Mutant group]], the Friends of Humanity. Under Creed's orders, the Friends of Humanity attack halfway houses and other businesses and non-profit organizations that are sympathetic to mutants, even committing lynchings. Creed even organizes an attack on a hospital for the blind, because the gentle, intelligent mutant Hank "Beast" McCoy works there to treat blind patients. Creed later admits he plans to commit genocide against mutants amongst his most loyal followers, and takes part in Apocalypse's aforementioned plague plot to wipe them out. It is revealed Creed is [[BoomerangBigot actually the son of Mystique and Sabretooth]], two prominent mutants. When this is revealed, he angrily snaps, shooting a holographic image of Sabretooth, screaming "'''I'm not like you! You are not my father! I'm normal! '''". In order to get back into the Friends of Humanity's good graces, Creed devises a plan to [[{{Matricide}} murder his mother]] and his mutant siblings, Rogue and Nightcrawler, viciously rejecting he has any connection to them while trying to murder them.

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** Graydon Creed is the leader of the [[FantasticRacism anti-Mutant group]], the Friends of Humanity. Under Creed's orders, the Friends of Humanity attack halfway houses and other businesses and non-profit organizations that are sympathetic to mutants, even committing lynchings. Creed even organizes an attack on a hospital for the blind, because the gentle, intelligent mutant Hank "Beast" McCoy [=McCoy=] works there to treat blind patients. Creed later admits he plans to commit genocide against mutants amongst his most loyal followers, and takes part in Apocalypse's aforementioned plague plot to wipe them out. It is revealed Creed is [[BoomerangBigot actually the son of Mystique and Sabretooth]], two prominent mutants. When this is revealed, he angrily snaps, shooting a holographic image of Sabretooth, screaming "'''I'm not like you! You are not my father! I'm normal! '''".normal!'''". In order to get back into the Friends of Humanity's good graces, Creed devises a plan to [[{{Matricide}} murder his mother]] and his mutant siblings, Rogue and Nightcrawler, viciously rejecting he has any connection to them while trying to murder them.
21st Jul '16 11:26:42 AM ACW
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** ComicBook/{{Apocalypse}} is a would-be mutant conqueror who despises everything that isn't him and [[AGodAmI fancies himself a God.]] In his first appearance he builds a machine designed to take away people's free will and make them his slaves. He tricks four self-loathing mutants, including Warren "Angel" Worthington, into believing this machine will cure them of being mutants, preying on their feelings of inadequacy to subject to them to a painful process of transformation them into his [[CoDragons Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse]]. [[NamesToRunAwayFrom Apocalypse]] then orders his Horsemen to go on a rampage across the globe. Rogue was able to free Angel from Apocalypse's control with her Power Absorption abilities, but Angel was a mentally unstable wreck after that experience. In his next appearance, Apocalypse creates a plague designed to wipe out most humans and mutants. This plague furthers tensions between humans and mutants, with some humans blaming mutants for it and creates a BadFuture, where several mutants are dying from this plague. Later Apocalypse manages to get hold of some time travel technology and uses it to travel to the Axis of Time, a interdenominational area that controls time itself and plans on [[OmnicidalManiac destroying the time stream and reality itself, so that he can recreate it in his own image]].
** [[VillainWithGoodPublicity Graydon Creed]] is the leader of the anti-Mutant group, the Friends of Humanity. Under Creed's orders, the Friends of Humanity attack half-way houses and other businesses and non profit organizations that are sympathetic to mutants. Creed even organizes an attack on a hospital for the blind, because the gentle, intelligent mutant Hank "Beast" [=McCoy=] works there to treat to blind patients. Creed later admits he plans to commit genocide against mutants amongst his most loyal followers. It is revealed Creed is actually [[BoomerangBigot the son of Mystique and Sabretooth, two prominent mutants.]] After the Friends of Humanity find out that Creed has mutant parents and siblings, he is kicked out of the group, breaking down at an image of Sabretooth and screaming '''I'm not one of you! I'm normal! You are not my father!''' In order to get back into the Friends of Humanity's good graces, Creed devises a plan to murder his mother and his mutant siblings, viciously rejecting he has any connection to them while trying to murder them. [[SaveTheVillain Even the X-Men saving his life as opposed to leave him to die]] after he's double-crossed by Apocalypse [[UngratefulBastard does nothing to change his view]].
** ComicBook/{{Sabretooth}} ([[AdaptationNameChange renamed Graydon Creed, Sr.]]) is a cruel PsychoForHire and BloodKnight with a obsessive hatred of Wolverine. Magneto uses Sabretooth to infiltrate Xavier's school where Sabretooth is injured after a confrontation with the police while he is pretending to be protesting at Beast's trial. The X-Men rescue Sabretooth and nurse him back to health and Xavier even attempts to help Sabretooth deal with his inner demons. Sabretooth repays this kindness with spite and cruelty as soon as he is able, tricking the young mutant Jubilee into loosening his restraints and then attempting to murder her. After being driven away by the X-Men, Sabretooth later returns when Wolverine is in Northern Canada, having left the X-Men due to his conflicted feelings over Jean Grey. Wolverine later befriends the population of a small Inuit Village, who help him discover feelings of inner peace. Sabretooth kidnaps several members of Inuit Village while Wolverine is out fishing and straps bombs to them in order to draw Wolverine out and force him to fight. It is later shown in flashbacks that Wolverine and Sabretooth were partners in special forces. Sabretooth abandoned their entire unit to die against the monstrous cyborg Omega Red and scoffs "So what?" when Wolverine confronts him over this. After Graydon Creed uses up his final chance with the Friends of Humanity, they parachute him out of a plane to Sabretooth's cabin. The last we ever seen of Graydon Creed is screaming in terror, lifted up by his father with Sabretooth looking murderously thrilled at getting his claws on his son at last.

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** ComicBook/{{Apocalypse}} is a would-be mutant conqueror who despises everything that isn't him and [[AGodAmI fancies himself a God.]] God]]. In his first appearance he builds creates a machine device designed to take away people's free will and make them his slaves. He [[ManipulativeBastard tricks four self-loathing mutants, mutants]], including Warren "Angel" Worthington, into believing this machine will cure them of being mutants, preying on their feelings of inadequacy to subject to torture them to a painful process of transformation them into his [[CoDragons Four Horsemen of FourHorsemen o f the Apocalypse]]. [[NamesToRunAwayFrom Apocalypse]] Apocalypse. Apocalypse then orders his Horsemen to go on a rampage across the globe. Rogue was able to free Angel from Apocalypse's control with her Power Absorption abilities, but Angel was a mentally unstable wreck after that experience.worldwide genocidal rampage. In his next appearance, Apocalypse creates a plague designed to wipe out most humans and mutants. This plague furthers tensions between humans and mutants, with some humans blaming mutants for it it, and creates a BadFuture, where several mutants and humans alike are dying from this plague. Later Apocalypse manages to get hold of some time travel technology and uses it to travel to the Axis of Time, a interdenominational area that controls time itself and plans on [[OmnicidalManiac destroying the time stream and [[OmnicidalManiac reality itself, itself]], so that he can recreate it in his own image]].
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** [[VillainWithGoodPublicity Graydon Creed]] Creed is the leader of the [[FantasticRacism anti-Mutant group, group]], the Friends of Humanity. Under Creed's orders, the Friends of Humanity attack half-way halfway houses and other businesses and non profit non-profit organizations that are sympathetic to mutants. mutants, even committing lynchings. Creed even organizes an attack on a hospital for the blind, because the gentle, intelligent mutant Hank "Beast" [=McCoy=] McCoy works there to treat to blind patients. Creed later admits he plans to commit genocide against mutants amongst his most loyal followers. followers, and takes part in Apocalypse's aforementioned plague plot to wipe them out. It is revealed Creed is actually [[BoomerangBigot actually the son of Mystique and Sabretooth, Sabretooth]], two prominent mutants.]] After the Friends of Humanity find out that Creed has mutant parents and siblings, mutants. When this is revealed, he is kicked out of the group, breaking down at an angrily snaps, shooting a holographic image of Sabretooth and Sabretooth, screaming '''I'm "'''I'm not one of like you! You are not my father! I'm normal! You are not my father!''' '''". In order to get back into the Friends of Humanity's good graces, Creed devises a plan to [[{{Matricide}} murder his mother mother]] and his mutant siblings, Rogue and Nightcrawler, viciously rejecting he has any connection to them while trying to murder them. [[SaveTheVillain Even the X-Men saving his life as opposed to leave him to die]] after he's double-crossed by Apocalypse [[UngratefulBastard does nothing to change his view]].
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** ComicBook/{{Sabretooth}} ([[AdaptationNameChange ComicBook/{{Sabretooth}}, [[AdaptationNameChange renamed Graydon Creed, Sr.]]) ]], is a cruel PsychoForHire PsychoForHire, BloodKnight, and BloodKnight with a obsessive hatred of Wolverine.Wolverine's arch enemy. Magneto uses Sabretooth to infiltrate Xavier's school where Sabretooth is injured after a confrontation with the police while he is pretending to be protesting at Beast's trial. The X-Men rescue Sabretooth and nurse him back to health and Xavier even attempts to help Sabretooth deal with his inner demons. Sabretooth [[UngratefulBastard repays this kindness with spite and cruelty cruelty]] as soon as he is able, tricking the young mutant Jubilee into loosening his restraints and then attempting to murder her. After being driven away by the X-Men, Sabretooth later returns when Wolverine is in Northern Canada, having left the X-Men due to his conflicted feelings over Jean Grey. Wolverine later and befriends the population of a small Inuit Village, who help him discover feelings of inner peace. Village. Sabretooth kidnaps several the members of Inuit Village village while Wolverine is out fishing and straps bombs to them in order to draw Wolverine out and force him to fight. It is later shown in flashbacks that Wolverine and Sabretooth were partners in special forces. forces, where Sabretooth abandoned their entire unit to die die, deciding they where expendable when overwhelmed against the monstrous cyborg Omega Red and Red; he scoffs "So what?" when Wolverine confronts him over this. After Graydon Creed his aforementioned son uses up his final chance with the Friends of Humanity, they parachute him out of a plane to Sabretooth's cabin. The last we ever seen of Graydon Creed is [[AssholeVictim him screaming in terror, terror]], lifted up by his father with Sabretooth looking murderously thrilled at getting his claws on his son at last.
20th Jul '16 11:56:49 AM MrDeath
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** Morph was in the first episodes ''entirely'' for the purpose [[RedShirt of being killed off]] so the writers could show how serious the series would be. However, his unexpected popularity led to him being revived in the second season.

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** Morph was in the first episodes ''entirely'' for the purpose [[RedShirt [[SacrificialLamb of being killed off]] so the writers could show how serious the series would be. However, his unexpected popularity led to him being revived in the second season.
20th Jul '16 11:43:29 AM HamburgerTime
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* {{Narm}}: During one of Claremont's early issues, Storm defeats a Sentinel, then momentarily angsts over the fact. Why? Because it screamed as she destroyed it. Never mind that it was just trying to kill her and the other X-Men, destroying a killer robot is bad enough to make Storm have a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment.

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* {{Narm}}: {{Narm}}:
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During one of Claremont's early issues, Storm defeats a Sentinel, then momentarily angsts over the fact. Why? Because it screamed as she destroyed it. Never mind that it was just trying to kill her and the other X-Men, destroying a killer robot is bad enough to make Storm have a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment.moment.
** This infamous line from early in Austen's run is a pretty good sign of EXACTLY what you're in for:
--> [[BeliefMakesYouStupid More people have died in the name of religion than have ever died of cancer. And we try to CURE cancer.]]



** Matthew Malloy, a recent GenericDoomsdayVillain created by... uh, let's go with [[BrokenBase polarizing]] writer Creator/BrianBendis.
** Also the Apocalypse Twins, a pair of evil mutants introduced in ''Uncanny X-Force'' who look like dollar-bin refugees from ''VideoGame/GuiltyGear'' and narratively speaking, are the unholy fusion of [[WalkingWasteland Holocaust]] and [[ThoseWackyNazis the Fenris Twins]].
* ScrewedByTheNetwork: There appears to be NO solicitations of X-Titles for Ocotber 2016 despite there being no less than five ongoing X-Men series prior to this each selling well.

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** Matthew Malloy, a recent GenericDoomsdayVillain created by... uh, let's go with [[BrokenBase polarizing]] writer Creator/BrianBendis.
Creator/BrianBendis. It didn't help that he [[MakeWayForTheNewVillains effortlessly killed]] the extremely powerful Exodus, one of the few well-regarded '90s X-villains.
** Also the Apocalypse Twins, a pair of evil mutants introduced in ''Uncanny X-Force'' Avengers'' who look like dollar-bin refugees from ''VideoGame/GuiltyGear'' and narratively speaking, are the unholy fusion of [[WalkingWasteland Holocaust]] and [[ThoseWackyNazis the Fenris Twins]].
* ScrewedByTheNetwork: There appears to be NO solicitations of X-Titles for Ocotber 2016 despite there being no less than five ongoing X-Men series prior to this each selling well.
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** Wolverine went the other direction in ''Comicbook/UncanmnyAvengers'', where he was portrayed as a [[BloodKnight bloodthirsty idiot]] whose main role was being [[CharacterFilibuster lectured at]] by the more "enlightened" members of the team. This, naturally, didn't satisfy many people either.
14th Jul '16 3:38:16 AM Dee_Dee
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*ScrewedByTheNetwork: There appears to be NO solicitations of X-Titles for Ocotber 2016 despite there being no less than five ongoing X-Men series prior to this each selling well.
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