History YMMV / XMen

21st Jul '16 11:28:27 AM ACW
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** Graydon Creed is the leader of the [[FantasticRacism anti-Mutant group]], the Friends of Humanity. Under Creed's orders, the Friends of Humanity attack halfway houses and other businesses and non-profit organizations that are sympathetic to mutants, even committing lynchings. Creed even organizes an attack on a hospital for the blind, because the gentle, intelligent mutant Hank "Beast" McCoy works there to treat blind patients. Creed later admits he plans to commit genocide against mutants amongst his most loyal followers, and takes part in Apocalypse's aforementioned plague plot to wipe them out. It is revealed Creed is [[BoomerangBigot actually the son of Mystique and Sabretooth]], two prominent mutants. When this is revealed, he angrily snaps, shooting a holographic image of Sabretooth, screaming "'''I'm not like you! You are not my father! I'm normal! '''". In order to get back into the Friends of Humanity's good graces, Creed devises a plan to [[{{Matricide}} murder his mother]] and his mutant siblings, Rogue and Nightcrawler, viciously rejecting he has any connection to them while trying to murder them.

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** Graydon Creed is the leader of the [[FantasticRacism anti-Mutant group]], the Friends of Humanity. Under Creed's orders, the Friends of Humanity attack halfway houses and other businesses and non-profit organizations that are sympathetic to mutants, even committing lynchings. Creed even organizes an attack on a hospital for the blind, because the gentle, intelligent mutant Hank "Beast" McCoy [=McCoy=] works there to treat blind patients. Creed later admits he plans to commit genocide against mutants amongst his most loyal followers, and takes part in Apocalypse's aforementioned plague plot to wipe them out. It is revealed Creed is [[BoomerangBigot actually the son of Mystique and Sabretooth]], two prominent mutants. When this is revealed, he angrily snaps, shooting a holographic image of Sabretooth, screaming "'''I'm not like you! You are not my father! I'm normal! '''".normal!'''". In order to get back into the Friends of Humanity's good graces, Creed devises a plan to [[{{Matricide}} murder his mother]] and his mutant siblings, Rogue and Nightcrawler, viciously rejecting he has any connection to them while trying to murder them.
21st Jul '16 11:26:42 AM ACW
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** ComicBook/{{Apocalypse}} is a would-be mutant conqueror who despises everything that isn't him and [[AGodAmI fancies himself a God.]] In his first appearance he builds a machine designed to take away people's free will and make them his slaves. He tricks four self-loathing mutants, including Warren "Angel" Worthington, into believing this machine will cure them of being mutants, preying on their feelings of inadequacy to subject to them to a painful process of transformation them into his [[CoDragons Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse]]. [[NamesToRunAwayFrom Apocalypse]] then orders his Horsemen to go on a rampage across the globe. Rogue was able to free Angel from Apocalypse's control with her Power Absorption abilities, but Angel was a mentally unstable wreck after that experience. In his next appearance, Apocalypse creates a plague designed to wipe out most humans and mutants. This plague furthers tensions between humans and mutants, with some humans blaming mutants for it and creates a BadFuture, where several mutants are dying from this plague. Later Apocalypse manages to get hold of some time travel technology and uses it to travel to the Axis of Time, a interdenominational area that controls time itself and plans on [[OmnicidalManiac destroying the time stream and reality itself, so that he can recreate it in his own image]].
** [[VillainWithGoodPublicity Graydon Creed]] is the leader of the anti-Mutant group, the Friends of Humanity. Under Creed's orders, the Friends of Humanity attack half-way houses and other businesses and non profit organizations that are sympathetic to mutants. Creed even organizes an attack on a hospital for the blind, because the gentle, intelligent mutant Hank "Beast" [=McCoy=] works there to treat to blind patients. Creed later admits he plans to commit genocide against mutants amongst his most loyal followers. It is revealed Creed is actually [[BoomerangBigot the son of Mystique and Sabretooth, two prominent mutants.]] After the Friends of Humanity find out that Creed has mutant parents and siblings, he is kicked out of the group, breaking down at an image of Sabretooth and screaming '''I'm not one of you! I'm normal! You are not my father!''' In order to get back into the Friends of Humanity's good graces, Creed devises a plan to murder his mother and his mutant siblings, viciously rejecting he has any connection to them while trying to murder them. [[SaveTheVillain Even the X-Men saving his life as opposed to leave him to die]] after he's double-crossed by Apocalypse [[UngratefulBastard does nothing to change his view]].
** ComicBook/{{Sabretooth}} ([[AdaptationNameChange renamed Graydon Creed, Sr.]]) is a cruel PsychoForHire and BloodKnight with a obsessive hatred of Wolverine. Magneto uses Sabretooth to infiltrate Xavier's school where Sabretooth is injured after a confrontation with the police while he is pretending to be protesting at Beast's trial. The X-Men rescue Sabretooth and nurse him back to health and Xavier even attempts to help Sabretooth deal with his inner demons. Sabretooth repays this kindness with spite and cruelty as soon as he is able, tricking the young mutant Jubilee into loosening his restraints and then attempting to murder her. After being driven away by the X-Men, Sabretooth later returns when Wolverine is in Northern Canada, having left the X-Men due to his conflicted feelings over Jean Grey. Wolverine later befriends the population of a small Inuit Village, who help him discover feelings of inner peace. Sabretooth kidnaps several members of Inuit Village while Wolverine is out fishing and straps bombs to them in order to draw Wolverine out and force him to fight. It is later shown in flashbacks that Wolverine and Sabretooth were partners in special forces. Sabretooth abandoned their entire unit to die against the monstrous cyborg Omega Red and scoffs "So what?" when Wolverine confronts him over this. After Graydon Creed uses up his final chance with the Friends of Humanity, they parachute him out of a plane to Sabretooth's cabin. The last we ever seen of Graydon Creed is screaming in terror, lifted up by his father with Sabretooth looking murderously thrilled at getting his claws on his son at last.

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** ComicBook/{{Apocalypse}} is a would-be mutant conqueror who despises everything that isn't him and [[AGodAmI fancies himself a God.]] God]]. In his first appearance he builds creates a machine device designed to take away people's free will and make them his slaves. He [[ManipulativeBastard tricks four self-loathing mutants, mutants]], including Warren "Angel" Worthington, into believing this machine will cure them of being mutants, preying on their feelings of inadequacy to subject to torture them to a painful process of transformation them into his [[CoDragons Four Horsemen of FourHorsemen o f the Apocalypse]]. [[NamesToRunAwayFrom Apocalypse]] Apocalypse. Apocalypse then orders his Horsemen to go on a rampage across the globe. Rogue was able to free Angel from Apocalypse's control with her Power Absorption abilities, but Angel was a mentally unstable wreck after that experience.worldwide genocidal rampage. In his next appearance, Apocalypse creates a plague designed to wipe out most humans and mutants. This plague furthers tensions between humans and mutants, with some humans blaming mutants for it it, and creates a BadFuture, where several mutants and humans alike are dying from this plague. Later Apocalypse manages to get hold of some time travel technology and uses it to travel to the Axis of Time, a interdenominational area that controls time itself and plans on [[OmnicidalManiac destroying the time stream and [[OmnicidalManiac reality itself, itself]], so that he can recreate it in his own image]].
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** [[VillainWithGoodPublicity Graydon Creed]] Creed is the leader of the [[FantasticRacism anti-Mutant group, group]], the Friends of Humanity. Under Creed's orders, the Friends of Humanity attack half-way halfway houses and other businesses and non profit non-profit organizations that are sympathetic to mutants. mutants, even committing lynchings. Creed even organizes an attack on a hospital for the blind, because the gentle, intelligent mutant Hank "Beast" [=McCoy=] McCoy works there to treat to blind patients. Creed later admits he plans to commit genocide against mutants amongst his most loyal followers. followers, and takes part in Apocalypse's aforementioned plague plot to wipe them out. It is revealed Creed is actually [[BoomerangBigot actually the son of Mystique and Sabretooth, Sabretooth]], two prominent mutants.]] After the Friends of Humanity find out that Creed has mutant parents and siblings, mutants. When this is revealed, he is kicked out of the group, breaking down at an angrily snaps, shooting a holographic image of Sabretooth and Sabretooth, screaming '''I'm "'''I'm not one of like you! You are not my father! I'm normal! You are not my father!''' '''". In order to get back into the Friends of Humanity's good graces, Creed devises a plan to [[{{Matricide}} murder his mother mother]] and his mutant siblings, Rogue and Nightcrawler, viciously rejecting he has any connection to them while trying to murder them. [[SaveTheVillain Even the X-Men saving his life as opposed to leave him to die]] after he's double-crossed by Apocalypse [[UngratefulBastard does nothing to change his view]].
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** ComicBook/{{Sabretooth}} ([[AdaptationNameChange ComicBook/{{Sabretooth}}, [[AdaptationNameChange renamed Graydon Creed, Sr.]]) ]], is a cruel PsychoForHire PsychoForHire, BloodKnight, and BloodKnight with a obsessive hatred of Wolverine.Wolverine's arch enemy. Magneto uses Sabretooth to infiltrate Xavier's school where Sabretooth is injured after a confrontation with the police while he is pretending to be protesting at Beast's trial. The X-Men rescue Sabretooth and nurse him back to health and Xavier even attempts to help Sabretooth deal with his inner demons. Sabretooth [[UngratefulBastard repays this kindness with spite and cruelty cruelty]] as soon as he is able, tricking the young mutant Jubilee into loosening his restraints and then attempting to murder her. After being driven away by the X-Men, Sabretooth later returns when Wolverine is in Northern Canada, having left the X-Men due to his conflicted feelings over Jean Grey. Wolverine later and befriends the population of a small Inuit Village, who help him discover feelings of inner peace. Village. Sabretooth kidnaps several the members of Inuit Village village while Wolverine is out fishing and straps bombs to them in order to draw Wolverine out and force him to fight. It is later shown in flashbacks that Wolverine and Sabretooth were partners in special forces. forces, where Sabretooth abandoned their entire unit to die die, deciding they where expendable when overwhelmed against the monstrous cyborg Omega Red and Red; he scoffs "So what?" when Wolverine confronts him over this. After Graydon Creed his aforementioned son uses up his final chance with the Friends of Humanity, they parachute him out of a plane to Sabretooth's cabin. The last we ever seen of Graydon Creed is [[AssholeVictim him screaming in terror, terror]], lifted up by his father with Sabretooth looking murderously thrilled at getting his claws on his son at last.
20th Jul '16 11:56:49 AM MrDeath
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** Morph was in the first episodes ''entirely'' for the purpose [[RedShirt of being killed off]] so the writers could show how serious the series would be. However, his unexpected popularity led to him being revived in the second season.

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** Morph was in the first episodes ''entirely'' for the purpose [[RedShirt [[SacrificialLamb of being killed off]] so the writers could show how serious the series would be. However, his unexpected popularity led to him being revived in the second season.
20th Jul '16 11:43:29 AM HamburgerTime
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* {{Narm}}: During one of Claremont's early issues, Storm defeats a Sentinel, then momentarily angsts over the fact. Why? Because it screamed as she destroyed it. Never mind that it was just trying to kill her and the other X-Men, destroying a killer robot is bad enough to make Storm have a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment.

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During one of Claremont's early issues, Storm defeats a Sentinel, then momentarily angsts over the fact. Why? Because it screamed as she destroyed it. Never mind that it was just trying to kill her and the other X-Men, destroying a killer robot is bad enough to make Storm have a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment.moment.
** This infamous line from early in Austen's run is a pretty good sign of EXACTLY what you're in for:
--> [[BeliefMakesYouStupid More people have died in the name of religion than have ever died of cancer. And we try to CURE cancer.]]



** Matthew Malloy, a recent GenericDoomsdayVillain created by... uh, let's go with [[BrokenBase polarizing]] writer Creator/BrianBendis.
** Also the Apocalypse Twins, a pair of evil mutants introduced in ''Uncanny X-Force'' who look like dollar-bin refugees from ''VideoGame/GuiltyGear'' and narratively speaking, are the unholy fusion of [[WalkingWasteland Holocaust]] and [[ThoseWackyNazis the Fenris Twins]].
* ScrewedByTheNetwork: There appears to be NO solicitations of X-Titles for Ocotber 2016 despite there being no less than five ongoing X-Men series prior to this each selling well.

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** Matthew Malloy, a recent GenericDoomsdayVillain created by... uh, let's go with [[BrokenBase polarizing]] writer Creator/BrianBendis.
Creator/BrianBendis. It didn't help that he [[MakeWayForTheNewVillains effortlessly killed]] the extremely powerful Exodus, one of the few well-regarded '90s X-villains.
** Also the Apocalypse Twins, a pair of evil mutants introduced in ''Uncanny X-Force'' Avengers'' who look like dollar-bin refugees from ''VideoGame/GuiltyGear'' and narratively speaking, are the unholy fusion of [[WalkingWasteland Holocaust]] and [[ThoseWackyNazis the Fenris Twins]].
* ScrewedByTheNetwork: There appears to be NO solicitations of X-Titles for Ocotber 2016 despite there being no less than five ongoing X-Men series prior to this each selling well.
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** Wolverine went the other direction in ''Comicbook/UncanmnyAvengers'', where he was portrayed as a [[BloodKnight bloodthirsty idiot]] whose main role was being [[CharacterFilibuster lectured at]] by the more "enlightened" members of the team. This, naturally, didn't satisfy many people either.
14th Jul '16 3:38:16 AM Dee_Dee
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*ScrewedByTheNetwork: There appears to be NO solicitations of X-Titles for Ocotber 2016 despite there being no less than five ongoing X-Men series prior to this each selling well.
13th Jul '16 8:17:30 AM Eagal
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** Nightcrawler's faith. It was never intended as a major aspect of his character, in fact most of the time he wasn't even all that religious, but in the hands of some less-than-talented writers like Chuck Austen, it's like he exists to be the token Christian, only for a change of writers to result in this being ignored or downplayed again. Similarly, Northstar's sexuality. Him being gay, other than making him one of the most well known gay superheroes, isn't really that big of a deal to his character at large. His [[{{Jerkass}} personality]] doesn't hinder on the fact he's gay. Yet, in the hands of some people[[labelnote:*]](*cough*Chuck Austin*cough*)[[/labelnote]], it's like all that matters is that he's gay.
** Emma Frost (rightfully) gets a buttload of this due to the fact that she manipulated and essentially ''[[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale ra]][[DoubleStandardRapeSciFi ped]]'' Scott and [[KarmaHoudini got away with it]] by starting a relationship with him after Jean's death. The fact that she is his ''therapist'' just made her into more of a colossal bitch. This is somewhat in-universe at well: Rachel Summers never forgave her for having an affair with Scott, although thankfully she never learns of the whole story. Their relationship was mercifully terminated during the Avengers vs X-men events, although Scott never calls her out on her actions.

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** Nightcrawler's faith. It was never intended as a major aspect of his character, in fact most of the time he wasn't even all that religious, but in the hands of some less-than-talented writers like Chuck Austen, it's like he exists to be the token Christian, only for a change of writers to result in this being ignored or downplayed again. Similarly, Northstar's sexuality. Him being gay, other than making him one of the most well known gay superheroes, isn't really that big of a deal to his character at large. His [[{{Jerkass}} personality]] doesn't hinder on the fact he's gay. Yet, in the hands of some people[[labelnote:*]](*cough*Chuck Austin*cough*)[[/labelnote]], Chuck Austin, it's like all that matters is that he's gay.
** Emma Frost (rightfully) gets a buttload of this due to the fact that she manipulated and essentially ''[[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale ra]][[DoubleStandardRapeSciFi ped]]'' raped]]'' Scott and [[KarmaHoudini got away with it]] by starting a relationship with him after Jean's death. The fact that she is his ''therapist'' just made her into more of a colossal bitch. This is somewhat in-universe at well: Rachel Summers never forgave her for having an affair with Scott, although thankfully she never learns of the whole story. Their relationship was mercifully terminated during the Avengers vs X-men events, although Scott never calls her out on her actions.
13th Jul '16 8:16:46 AM Eagal
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** Nightcrawler's faith. It was never intended as a major aspect of his character, in fact most of the time he wasn't even all that religious, but in the hands of some less-than-talented writers [[labelnote:*]](*cough*Chuck Austen*cough*)[[/labelnote]], it's like he exists to be the token Christian, only for a change of writers to result in this being ignored or downplayed again. Similarly, Northstar's sexuality. Him being gay, other than making him one of the most well known gay superheroes, isn't really that big of a deal to his character at large. His [[{{Jerkass}} personality]] doesn't hinder on the fact he's gay. Yet, in the hands of some people[[labelnote:*]](*cough*Chuck Austin*cough*)[[/labelnote]], it's like all that matters is that he's gay.

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** Nightcrawler's faith. It was never intended as a major aspect of his character, in fact most of the time he wasn't even all that religious, but in the hands of some less-than-talented writers [[labelnote:*]](*cough*Chuck Austen*cough*)[[/labelnote]], like Chuck Austen, it's like he exists to be the token Christian, only for a change of writers to result in this being ignored or downplayed again. Similarly, Northstar's sexuality. Him being gay, other than making him one of the most well known gay superheroes, isn't really that big of a deal to his character at large. His [[{{Jerkass}} personality]] doesn't hinder on the fact he's gay. Yet, in the hands of some people[[labelnote:*]](*cough*Chuck Austin*cough*)[[/labelnote]], it's like all that matters is that he's gay.
5th Jul '16 4:49:25 PM IdumeanPatriot
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** For other BodyHorror fuel, the Morlocks, the horribly deformed monster mutants lurking in the sewers of New York, and particularly their EvilChancellor, Masque. [[BadPowersBadPeople His power]] is similar to that of the Tzimisce vampires of the OldWorldOfDarkness, namely to magically twist flesh into whatever configurations he desires. In the comic where they kidnapped Kitty Pryde to [[AndNowYouMustMarryMe force her to marry]] [[TheGrotesque Caliban]], it was revealed that most Morlocks are not ''born'' deformed: It's just policy that Masque gives new "recruits" [[BodyHorror new faces]] so they [[YouCantGoHomeAgain can never return to their old lives]].
***Masque's creatively villainous use of his powers was mostly implicit/told-not-shown throughout most of the Claremont run, but towards the end he wrote some stories where it became horribly explicit, and Masque used it to abuse female([[FridgeHorror ?]]) Morlocks in really nauseating ways.


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** The anti-mutant human villains also have their fans. Bolivar Trask, Stephen Lang, William Stryker and the Genoshans (among others) are certainly [[KnightTemplar zealous]] in their anti-mutantism, but recalling ''[[NoMereWindmill how often]]'' mutant supervillains have nearly destroyed the world, and how [[MilitariesAreUseless woefully insufficient]] existing government efforts to police them always prove, it makes a certain amount of sense to at least some readers that non-powered humans who [[MugglePower don't want to end up marginalized on their own planet]] should resort to extreme measures to curb them. It probably also helps that these guys tend to [[EvilIsCool dress in cool military uniforms]] rather than garish superhero/supervillain suits, and further that they have to be [[VillainousValor pretty damn brave and competent]] to go up against major super-people armed only or mostly with largely mundane weapons, and still pose a threat to them.
7th Jun '16 6:46:57 PM shatterstar
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** Prior to ''Film/XMenFirstClass'', Azazel was one of the most unpopular of all the X-Men villains. Now, he's... well, ''still'' unpopular, at least in his original incarnation, but his adaptation has fared rather a bit better in reception.

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** Prior to ''Film/XMenFirstClass'', Azazel was one of the most unpopular of all the X-Men villains. Now, he's... well, ''still'' unpopular, at least in his original incarnation, but his adaptation has fared rather a bit better in reception.reception
** Being revealed as gay does this to Bobby Drake/Iceman for actually giving him ''some'' CharacterDevelopment after a long period of time being OutOfFocus.
7th Jun '16 8:03:04 AM MrDeath
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* CharacterDerailment: Magneto got hit with this ''hard'' in the early 90s after Chris Claremont was drummed out. Cyclops is a more recent, if no less extreme, example.
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