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1st Dec '16 2:51:50 PM MegaJ
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** There is a overwhelming consensus that the period in which Comicbook/TheInhumans started to rise in prominence in the Marvel Universe is a Dork Age, as it had negative effect on the X-Men. The short version is that the cinematic rights of the X-Men franchise (along with the Comicbook/FantasticFour) lay with Creator/TwentiethCenturyFox as opposed to Creator/{{Disney}}/Marvel Studios. During this period there was as significant slowdown in X-Men related merchandise being made, the X-Men stopped appearing regularly in promotions for Marvel, and comics-wise their standing in the Marvel Universe plummeted, further cemented after Comicbook/SecretWars2015 in which mutantkind was under threat of extinction and mutants were hated and feared more than ever -- [[YoYoPlotPoint again]]. The fans had enough and after a few noteworthy events; namely the split of Marvel Studios from Marvel Entertainment, the wild success of Film/Deadpool2016, the failure of the Inhumans push along with their planned Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse movie being downgraded to a TV show, and Marvel Entertainment and 20th Century Fox working together to make X-Men TV shows, the comics were relaunched in 2017.

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** There is a overwhelming consensus that the period in which Comicbook/TheInhumans started to rise in prominence in the Marvel Universe is a Dork Age, as it had negative effect on the X-Men. The short version is that the cinematic rights of the X-Men franchise (along with the Comicbook/FantasticFour) lay with Creator/TwentiethCenturyFox as opposed to Creator/{{Disney}}/Marvel Studios. During this period there was as significant slowdown in X-Men related merchandise being made, the X-Men stopped appearing regularly in promotions for Marvel, and comics-wise their standing in the Marvel Universe plummeted, further cemented after Comicbook/SecretWars2015 in which mutantkind was under threat of extinction and mutants were hated and feared more than ever -- [[YoYoPlotPoint again]]. The fans had enough and after a few noteworthy events; namely the split of Marvel Studios from Marvel Entertainment, the wild success of Film/Deadpool2016, the failure of the Inhumans push along with their planned Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse movie being downgraded to a TV show, and Marvel Entertainment and 20th Century Fox working together to make X-Men TV shows, the comics were relaunched in 2017.2017 with a renewed focus on the team being heroes.
29th Nov '16 3:07:16 PM GhostLad
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** Madelyne Pryor sort-of is an example of this. Back in 1989, Marvel intentionally wanted readers to hate Pryor to make it easy [[DieForOurShip to kill her off]] and RetGone her into an UnPerson, and it all worked for several years. Meta circumstances have since turned that around somewhat. The Information Age (such as websites, like ''this very one''), and also that Marvel just can't stop from repeatedly reprinting trade-paperbacks and the like which include all of Pryor's pre-1989 appearances, both undercut Marvel's party line. And now over the years, Marvel's handling of Jean Grey and Cyclops constantly angers fans. So lately the hatedom towards Pryor seems mostly silent, while her advocates/apologists seem pretty vocal.

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** Madelyne Pryor sort-of is an accidental example of this. Back in 1989, Marvel intentionally wanted readers to hate Pryor to make it easy [[DieForOurShip to kill her off]] and RetGone her into an UnPerson, and so turned her into a thoroughly-psychotic WomanScorned who attempted to sacrifice her own son to fuel a demon invasion. For several years, it all worked for several years.and Madelyne Pryor was thoroughly hated. Meta circumstances have since turned that around somewhat. The With advent of the Information Age (such as websites, like ''this very one''), and also that Marvel just can't stop from repeatedly reprinting trade-paperbacks and the like which include making it easy to read all of Pryor's Madelyne's pre-1989 appearances, both undercut Marvel's party line.appearances via reprints and digital archives (when she was a spunky, independent pilot and a helpful ally to the X-Men), a large amount of the fandom reinterpreted Madelyne as someone who actually got a raw deal, and Cyclops as being entirely too callous towards his wife. And now over the years, Marvel's handling of Jean Grey and Cyclops constantly angers fans. So lately the hatedom towards Pryor seems mostly silent, while her advocates/apologists seem pretty vocal.vocal.
*** Averted with Nate Grey's mental construct version of Madelyne Pryor, though - partially because she wasn't the same person as Cyclops married, but mostly because she wouldn't stop flirting with someone who was genetically [[{{Squick}} her own son]].



** Flip-flopped with Madelyne Pryor, who seemed to have been the most [[{{Hatedom}} vehemently hated]] of all characters among X-Men fandom for many years [[ComicBook/{{Inferno}} since 1989]]. Then, after Cyclops and Jean Grey were "broken up", Grey got "pink slipped", and Emma Frost was "hooked up", the hatedom towards Pryor seemed to abruptly wither and then die with a whimper.

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** Flip-flopped with Madelyne Pryor, who seemed to have been the most [[{{Hatedom}} vehemently hated]] of all characters among X-Men fandom for many years [[ComicBook/{{Inferno}} since 1989]]. Then, 1989]] (trying to sacrifice your own son to demons will tend to do that). The attitude had already begun shifting before Morrison's run, which some fans reinterpreting Cyclops as having more culpability than initial reactions suggested, but after Cyclops and Jean Grey were "broken up", Grey got "pink slipped", and Emma Frost was "hooked up", the hatedom towards Pryor seemed to abruptly wither and then die with a whimper.



* BaseBreakingCharacter: Jubilee is either hated by fans that find her increasingly annoying and her powers to be stupid, or loved by fans that enjoy her spunkiness as well as her playful and innocent attitude. It's a similar case for her in the comic books as well. Some also dislike her for not being ComicBook/KittyPryde, as Jubilee pretty much replaced Kitty in the comics as "Wolverine's sidekick."

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Jubilee is either hated by fans that find her increasingly annoying and her powers to be stupid, or loved by fans that enjoy her spunkiness as well as her playful and innocent attitude. It's a similar case for her in the comic books as well. Some also dislike her for not being ComicBook/KittyPryde, as Jubilee pretty much had largely replaced Kitty in the comics as "Wolverine's sidekick."sidekick", and Jubilee tended to replace Kitty's role in the story adaptions, with stories like "Kitty's Fairy Tale" being adapted to animatation as "''Jubilee'''s Fairytale Theater".
29th Nov '16 2:24:14 PM GhostLad
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** This is actually acknowledged and played with in ''ComicBook/BattleOfTheAtom''; [[spoiler: Beast's]] future self became fed up of fighting for the X-Men after the first mutant President is assassinated, making him hit a DespairEventHorizon as he realized that they'll likely never, truly, be accepted. When the present day X-Men talk to the future team about this, and are clearly shaken by this reality, they assure them that things ''will'' get better, but at their point in time they still have time to go.

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** This is actually acknowledged and played with in ''ComicBook/BattleOfTheAtom''; [[spoiler: Beast's]] future self became fed up of fighting for the X-Men after the first mutant President is assassinated, making him hit a DespairEventHorizon as he realized that they'll likely never, truly, be accepted. When the present day X-Men talk to the future team about this, and are clearly shaken by this reality, they assure them that things ''will'' get better, but at their point in time they still have time to go. [[spoiler:Then it's revealed [[BrokenAesop he was being controlled]] by Xavier and Mystique's evil son the whole time]].



* DracoInLeatherPants:
** ''Magneto''. There's ''many'' times where fans declare him to be right over the X-Men even when he's trying to genocide humanity. Not helped by the fact that Magneto has currently pulled a HeelFaceTurn and is trying to redeem himself.
** Sabretooth also gets his fair share of this, especially post-''Film/XMenOriginsWolverine''. The character is probably one of the most loathsome CompleteMonster villains the X-Men have ever faced, yet fans ([[RunningTheAsylum and writers]]) bend over backwards to give him FreudianExcuse after FreudianExcuse.

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* DracoInLeatherPants:
DracoInLeatherPants / RonTheDeathEater:
** ''Magneto''. There's ''many'' times where Due to his FreudianExcuse and generous use of the HeelFaceRevolvingDoor, Magneto tends to get hit with Leather Pants, with fans declare declaring him to be in the right over the X-Men even when he's trying to genocide humanity. Not helped by in his most extreme moments. On the fact other hand, he also gets hit with Death Eater status by his anti-fans, who tend to ignore that Magneto has currently pulled he hasn't really been a HeelFaceTurn and is trying to redeem himself.
villain since since before Grant Morrison's run - which was back in 2001.
** Sabretooth also gets his fair share of this, Leather Pants, especially post-''Film/XMenOriginsWolverine''. The character is a cruel, psychotic serial killer, and probably one of the most loathsome CompleteMonster villains the X-Men have ever faced, yet fans ([[RunningTheAsylum and writers]]) bend over backwards to give him FreudianExcuse after FreudianExcuse.



** In recent years, the writers have a tendency to take a shine to a particular X-Kid and promote them to the main cast or recurring character status. For Mike Carey, it's Trance. Warren Ellis has Armor. Craig Kyle and Chris Yost have Elixir and Loa. Because she was Ed Brubaker and Matt Fraction's pick, Pixie ended up not only on the ''Uncanny X-Men'', but with her own miniseries.

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** In recent years, the writers have a tendency to take a shine to a particular X-Kid and promote them to the main cast or recurring character status. For Mike Carey, it's Trance. Warren Ellis has Armor. Craig Kyle and Chris Yost have Elixir and Loa. Because she was Ed Brubaker and Matt Fraction's pick, Pixie ended up not only on the ''Uncanny X-Men'', but with her own miniseries. Jason Aaron ''attempted'' this with Quentin Quire, but ended up creating a {{Scrappy}} instead.



** Maggott had an uphill climb with his bizarre power of two giant all-consuming pet slugs that act as his digestive system, but what really killed him as a character was his constant, [[JiveTurkey exaggerated version of Afrikaans slang]], which tended to focus on guava, biscuits, and sherbert. His dopey mohawak front-ponytail hair didn't help either.



** More recently, there's been an increasingly harsh rivalry with fans of the {{Inhumans}}. Let's just say that things have gotten [[{{InternetBackdraft}} heated]] lately, and [[{{RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement}} leave it at that.]]



** In the 1960s, several stories had Scott Summers reject offers by Magneto to join the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants citing his preference for Xavier's coexistence beliefs and even foiled a plot by Magneto to create a new generation of artificially made mutants. Present day, Cyclops is now, constantly, being compared to Magneto due to his more extreme methods of protecting mutants.

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** In the 1960s, several stories had Scott Summers reject offers by Magneto to join the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants citing his preference for Xavier's coexistence beliefs and even foiled a plot by Magneto to create a new generation of artificially made mutants. Present day, Cyclops is now, constantly, being compared to Magneto due to his more extreme methods of protecting mutants. Magneto even tends to act as Scott's {{Lancer}}.



* LesYay: Anything by Creator/ChrisClaremont. Try to deny the subtext between Storm and Yukio, Mirage and Wolfsbane, or Selene with Rachel Summers and Magma. Of course, he did it with [[HoYay guys]] and [[FoeYay villains]], too...

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* LesYay: Anything by Creator/ChrisClaremont. Try to deny the subtext between Storm and Yukio, Mirage or Dani Moonstar and Wolfsbane, or Selene with Rachel Summers and Magma.Magma, or Kitty and Rachel, or Kitty and Illyana... Of course, he did it with [[HoYay guys]] and [[FoeYay villains]], too...



** Louis Simonson gets some credit, for writing definitive versions of Archangel. Grant Morrison for Emma Frost, though that one is a case of this being used in a ''bad'' way. There's a reason this is YMMV.

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** Louis Simonson gets some credit, credit for writing what's now considered the definitive versions version of Archangel. Similarly, Grant Morrison is considered this for Emma Frost, though that one is a case of this being used in a ''bad'' way. There's a reason this is YMMV.Frost.



** Nightcrawler's faith. It was never intended as a major aspect of his character, in fact most of the time he wasn't even all that religious, but in the hands of some less-than-talented writers like Chuck Austen, it's like he exists to be the token Christian, only for a change of writers to result in this being ignored or downplayed again. Similarly, Northstar's sexuality. Him being gay, other than making him one of the most well known gay superheroes, isn't really that big of a deal to his character at large. His [[{{Jerkass}} personality]] doesn't hinder on the fact he's gay. Yet, in the hands of Chuck Austin, it's like all that matters is that he's gay.

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** Nightcrawler's faith. It was never intended as a major aspect of his character, in fact most of the time he wasn't even all that religious, but in the hands of some less-than-talented writers like Chuck Austen, it's like he exists to be the token Christian, only for a change of writers to result in this being ignored or downplayed again. Similarly, Northstar's sexuality. Him being gay, other than making him one of the most well known gay superheroes, isn't really that big of a deal to his character at large. His [[{{Jerkass}} personality]] doesn't hinder on the fact he's gay. Yet, in the hands of Chuck Austin, Austen, it's like all that matters is that he's gay.



** Very few people seem to like Ink. Even fewer like the new Hellfire Club made up of 12-year-olds. Then there's Maggot, though most prefer to forget about him.

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** Very few people seem to like Ink. Even fewer like the new Hellfire Club made up of 12-year-olds. Then there's Maggot, though most prefer to forget about him.
27th Nov '16 9:46:35 AM MegaJ
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** There is a overwhelming consensus that the period in which Comicbook/TheInhumans started to rise in prominence in the Marvel Universe is a Dork Age, as it had negative effect on the X-Men. The short version is that the cinematic rights of the X-Men franchise (along with the Comicbook/FantasticFour) lay with Creator/TwentiethCenturyFox as opposed to Creator/{{Disney}}/Marvel Studios. During this period there was as significant slowdown in X-Men related merchandise being made, the X-Men stopped appearing regularly in promotions for Marvel, and comics-wise their standing in the Marvel Universe plummeted, further cemented after Comicbook/SecretWars2015 in which mutantkind was under threat of extinction and mutants were hated and feared more than ever -- [[YoYoPlotPoint again]]. The fans had enough and after a few noteworthy events; namely the split of Marvel Studios from Marvel Entertainment, the wild success of Film/Deadpool2016, the failure of the Inhumans push along with their planned Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse movie being downgraded to a TV show, and Marvel Entertainment and 20th Century Fox working together to make X-Men TV shows, the comics were relaunched in 2017.
26th Nov '16 1:57:30 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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** Two main ones, on opposing sides. You either think Wolverine's the most badass and complex creation to come out of comics and Cyclops is a douchebag boring whiner who would be better suited as a villain, or that Wolverine is overhyped, overpowered, and a real dick, and Cyclops is mishandled, considerably badass, and one of the most complex characters in the comics. Now, combine that with RunningTheAsylum, and we get some truly EpicFail stories and OutOfCharacterMoment stories. Wolverine is actually listed as both an EnsembleDarkhorse ''and'' a CreatorsPet on [[Wiki/TVTropes This Very Wiki]]. Or you think both characters are annoying and wish they would just go away. Or, somewhat less commonly, you think both characters are good and make decent Rivals for one another.

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** Two main ones, on opposing sides. You either think Wolverine's the most badass and complex creation to come out of comics and Cyclops is a douchebag boring whiner who would be better suited as a villain, or that Wolverine is overhyped, overpowered, and a real dick, and Cyclops is mishandled, considerably badass, and one of the most complex characters in the comics. Now, combine that with RunningTheAsylum, and we get some truly EpicFail stories and OutOfCharacterMoment stories. Wolverine is actually listed as both an EnsembleDarkhorse ''and'' a CreatorsPet on [[Wiki/TVTropes This Very Wiki]]. Or you think both characters are annoying and wish they would just go away. Or, somewhat less commonly, you think both characters are good and make decent Rivals rivals and foils for one another.
20th Nov '16 9:16:35 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster:
** ComicBook/{{Apocalypse}} is a would-be mutant conqueror who despises everything that isn't him and [[AGodAmI fancies himself a God]]. In his first appearance he creates a device designed to take away people's free will and make them his slaves. He [[ManipulativeBastard tricks four self-loathing mutants]], including Warren "Angel" Worthington, into believing this will cure them of being mutants, preying on their feelings of inadequacy and subjecting them to torture to turn them into his FourHorsemen of the Apocalypse. Apocalypse then orders his Horsemen to go on a worldwide genocidal rampage. In his next appearance, Apocalypse creates a plague designed to wipe out most humans and mutants. This plague furthers tensions between humans and mutants, with some humans blaming mutants for it, and creates a BadFuture, where mutants and humans alike are dying from this plague. Later Apocalypse manages to get hold of some time travel technology and uses it to travel to the Axis of Time, a interdenominational area that controls time itself and plans on destroying the time stream and [[OmnicidalManiac reality itself]], so that he can recreate it in his own image.
** Graydon Creed is the leader of the [[FantasticRacism anti-Mutant group]], the Friends of Humanity. Under Creed's orders, the Friends of Humanity attack halfway houses and other businesses and non-profit organizations that are sympathetic to mutants, even committing lynchings. Creed even organizes an attack on a hospital for the blind, because the gentle, intelligent mutant Hank "Beast" [=McCoy=] works there to treat blind patients. Creed later admits he plans to commit genocide against mutants amongst his most loyal followers, and takes part in Apocalypse's aforementioned plague plot to wipe them out. It is revealed Creed is [[BoomerangBigot actually the son of Mystique and Sabretooth]], two prominent mutants. When this is revealed, he angrily snaps, shooting a holographic image of Sabretooth, screaming "'''I'm not like you! You are not my father! I'm normal!'''". In order to get back into the Friends of Humanity's good graces, Creed devises a plan to [[{{Matricide}} murder his mother]] and his mutant siblings, Rogue and Nightcrawler, viciously rejecting he has any connection to them while trying to murder them.
** ComicBook/{{Sabretooth}}, [[AdaptationNameChange renamed Graydon Creed, Sr.]], is a cruel PsychoForHire, BloodKnight, and Wolverine's arch enemy. Magneto uses Sabretooth to infiltrate Xavier's school where Sabretooth is injured after a confrontation with the police while he is pretending to be protesting at Beast's trial. The X-Men rescue Sabretooth and nurse him back to health and Xavier even attempts to help Sabretooth deal with his inner demons. Sabretooth [[UngratefulBastard repays this kindness with spite and cruelty]] as soon as he is able, tricking Jubilee into loosening his restraints and then attempting to murder her. After being driven away by the X-Men, Sabretooth later returns when Wolverine is in Northern Canada, and befriends the population of a small Inuit Village. Sabretooth kidnaps the members of the village while Wolverine is distracted and straps bombs to them in order to draw Wolverine out and force him to fight. It is later shown in flashbacks that Wolverine and Sabretooth were partners in special forces, where Sabretooth abandoned their entire unit to die, deciding they where expendable when overwhelmed against the monstrous cyborg Omega Red; he scoffs "So what?" when Wolverine confronts him over this. After his aforementioned son uses up his final chance with the Friends of Humanity, they parachute him out of a plane to Sabretooth's cabin. The last we ever seen of Graydon Creed is [[AssholeVictim him screaming in terror]], lifted up by his father with Sabretooth looking murderously thrilled at getting his claws on his son at last.

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* CompleteMonster:
** ComicBook/{{Apocalypse}} is a would-be mutant conqueror who despises everything that isn't him and [[AGodAmI fancies himself a God]]. In his first appearance he creates a device designed to take away people's free will and make them his slaves. He [[ManipulativeBastard tricks four self-loathing mutants]], including Warren "Angel" Worthington, into believing this will cure them of being mutants, preying on their feelings of inadequacy and subjecting them to torture to turn them into his FourHorsemen of the Apocalypse. Apocalypse then orders his Horsemen to go on a worldwide genocidal rampage. In his next appearance, Apocalypse creates a plague designed to wipe out most humans and mutants. This plague furthers tensions between humans and mutants, with some humans blaming mutants for it, and creates a BadFuture, where mutants and humans alike are dying from this plague. Later Apocalypse manages to get hold of some time travel technology and uses it to travel to the Axis of Time, a interdenominational area that controls time itself and plans on destroying the time stream and [[OmnicidalManiac reality itself]], so that he can recreate it in his own image.
** Graydon Creed is the leader of the [[FantasticRacism anti-Mutant group]], the Friends of Humanity. Under Creed's orders, the Friends of Humanity attack halfway houses and other businesses and non-profit organizations that are sympathetic to mutants, even committing lynchings. Creed even organizes an attack on a hospital for the blind, because the gentle, intelligent mutant Hank "Beast" [=McCoy=] works there to treat blind patients. Creed later admits he plans to commit genocide against mutants amongst his most loyal followers, and takes part in Apocalypse's aforementioned plague plot to wipe them out. It is revealed Creed is [[BoomerangBigot actually the son of Mystique and Sabretooth]], two prominent mutants. When this is revealed, he angrily snaps, shooting a holographic image of Sabretooth, screaming "'''I'm not like you! You are not my father! I'm normal!'''". In order to get back into the Friends of Humanity's good graces, Creed devises a plan to [[{{Matricide}} murder his mother]] and his mutant siblings, Rogue and Nightcrawler, viciously rejecting he has any connection to them while trying to murder them.
** ComicBook/{{Sabretooth}}, [[AdaptationNameChange renamed Graydon Creed, Sr.]], is a cruel PsychoForHire, BloodKnight, and Wolverine's arch enemy. Magneto uses Sabretooth to infiltrate Xavier's school where Sabretooth is injured after a confrontation with the police while he is pretending to be protesting at Beast's trial. The X-Men rescue Sabretooth and nurse him back to health and Xavier even attempts to help Sabretooth deal with his inner demons. Sabretooth [[UngratefulBastard repays this kindness with spite and cruelty]] as soon as he is able, tricking Jubilee into loosening his restraints and then attempting to murder her. After being driven away by the X-Men, Sabretooth later returns when Wolverine is in Northern Canada, and befriends the population of a small Inuit Village. Sabretooth kidnaps the members of the village while Wolverine is distracted and straps bombs to them in order to draw Wolverine out and force him to fight. It is later shown in flashbacks that Wolverine and Sabretooth were partners in special forces, where Sabretooth abandoned their entire unit to die, deciding they where expendable when overwhelmed against the monstrous cyborg Omega Red; he scoffs "So what?" when Wolverine confronts him over this. After his aforementioned son uses up his final chance with the Friends of Humanity, they parachute him out of a plane to Sabretooth's cabin. The last we ever seen of Graydon Creed is [[AssholeVictim him screaming in terror]], lifted up by his father with Sabretooth looking murderously thrilled at getting his claws on his son at last.
CompleteMonster: See [[Monster/MarvelAnimation here]].
16th Nov '16 4:03:16 PM TheNewBig
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** In recent years, either (or both) Cyclops and Wolverine have became this, depending on your opinion. Either, Cyclops has became an extremist who refuses to accept responsibility and justifies his actions with weak excuses, or Wolverine has became a hypocrite who would rather pick a fight with his allies then actually deal with the bad guy, and often wastes time doing so and gets incredibly douchey in his arguments despite supposedly being who we're supposed to side with. That's all that should or needs to be said.

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** In recent years, either (or both) year Cyclops and Wolverine have became this, depending on your opinion. Either, this. Cyclops has became an a violent extremist who refuses to accept responsibility and justifies his actions with weak excuses, or whereas Wolverine has became a hypocrite who would rather pick a fight waste time fighting with his allies then actually deal with the bad guy, and often wastes time doing so than use it fighting their enemies, and gets incredibly douchey in his arguments despite supposedly being the one who we're supposed to side with. That's all that should or needs to be said.
12th Nov '16 12:30:47 PM ACW
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** ComicBook/{{Apocalypse}} is a would-be mutant conqueror who despises everything that isn't him and [[AGodAmI fancies himself a God]]. In his first appearance he creates a device designed to take away people's free will and make them his slaves. He [[ManipulativeBastard tricks four self-loathing mutants]], including Warren "Angel" Worthington, into believing this will cure them of being mutants, preying on their feelings of inadequacy to subject to torture them them into his FourHorsemen o f the Apocalypse. Apocalypse then orders his Horsemen to go on a worldwide genocidal rampage. In his next appearance, Apocalypse creates a plague designed to wipe out most humans and mutants. This plague furthers tensions between humans and mutants, with some humans blaming mutants for it, and creates a BadFuture, where mutants and humans alike are dying from this plague. Later Apocalypse manages to get hold of some time travel technology and uses it to travel to the Axis of Time, a interdenominational area that controls time itself and plans on destroying the time stream and [[OmnicidalManiac reality itself]], so that he can recreate it in his own image.

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** ComicBook/{{Apocalypse}} is a would-be mutant conqueror who despises everything that isn't him and [[AGodAmI fancies himself a God]]. In his first appearance he creates a device designed to take away people's free will and make them his slaves. He [[ManipulativeBastard tricks four self-loathing mutants]], including Warren "Angel" Worthington, into believing this will cure them of being mutants, preying on their feelings of inadequacy to subject and subjecting them to torture them to turn them into his FourHorsemen o f of the Apocalypse. Apocalypse then orders his Horsemen to go on a worldwide genocidal rampage. In his next appearance, Apocalypse creates a plague designed to wipe out most humans and mutants. This plague furthers tensions between humans and mutants, with some humans blaming mutants for it, and creates a BadFuture, where mutants and humans alike are dying from this plague. Later Apocalypse manages to get hold of some time travel technology and uses it to travel to the Axis of Time, a interdenominational area that controls time itself and plans on destroying the time stream and [[OmnicidalManiac reality itself]], so that he can recreate it in his own image.
12th Nov '16 6:02:04 AM Morgenthaler
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Two main ones, on opposing sides. You either think Wolverine's the most badass and complex creation to come out of comics and Cyclops is a douchebag boring whiner who would be better suited as a villain, or that Wolverine is overhyped, overpowered, and a real dick, and Cyclops is mishandled, considerably badass, and one of the most complex characters in the comics. Now, combine that with RunningTheAsylum, and we get some truly EpicFail stories and OutOfCharacterMoment stories. Wolverine is actually listed as both an EnsembleDarkhorse ''and'' a CreatorsPet on [[Wiki/TVTropes This Very Wiki]].
** TakeAThirdOption: Or you think both characters are annoying and wish they would just go away. Or, somewhat less commonly, you think both characters are good and make decent Rivals for one another.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: BaseBreakingCharacter:
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Two main ones, on opposing sides. You either think Wolverine's the most badass and complex creation to come out of comics and Cyclops is a douchebag boring whiner who would be better suited as a villain, or that Wolverine is overhyped, overpowered, and a real dick, and Cyclops is mishandled, considerably badass, and one of the most complex characters in the comics. Now, combine that with RunningTheAsylum, and we get some truly EpicFail stories and OutOfCharacterMoment stories. Wolverine is actually listed as both an EnsembleDarkhorse ''and'' a CreatorsPet on [[Wiki/TVTropes This Very Wiki]].
** TakeAThirdOption:
Wiki]]. Or you think both characters are annoying and wish they would just go away. Or, somewhat less commonly, you think both characters are good and make decent Rivals for one another.



* DesignatedHero: In the early comics, Xavier could give this impression, with his habit of keeping secrets and insisting others do the same painting him as a far more morally-ambiguous figure than Lee and Kirby intended him to be. Later writers made this an actual character trait of his, and one that he is called out on and has to atone for.

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* DesignatedHero: DesignatedHero:
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In the early comics, Xavier could give this impression, with his habit of keeping secrets and insisting others do the same painting him as a far more morally-ambiguous figure than Lee and Kirby intended him to be. Later writers made this an actual character trait of his, and one that he is called out on and has to atone for.



* DieForOurShip: Every corner of the Emma Frost/Scott Summers/Jean Grey/Logan love square has its shippers and detractors. Same for Rogue/Gambit and every relationship here.

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* DieForOurShip: DieForOurShip:
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Every corner of the Emma Frost/Scott Summers/Jean Grey/Logan love square has its shippers and detractors. Same for Rogue/Gambit and every relationship here.



* DracoInLeatherPants: ''Magneto''. There's ''many'' times where fans declare him to be right over the X-Men even when he's trying to genocide humanity. Not helped by the fact that Magneto has currently pulled a HeelFaceTurn and is trying to redeem himself.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: DracoInLeatherPants:
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''Magneto''. There's ''many'' times where fans declare him to be right over the X-Men even when he's trying to genocide humanity. Not helped by the fact that Magneto has currently pulled a HeelFaceTurn and is trying to redeem himself.



* EthnicScrappy: Creator/GrantMorrison during his tenure writing created Angel Salvadore, as some sort of vaguely Latina, foul-mouthed 14 year-old who was kicked out of her house by her step-father when her mutant powers developed. Some UnfortunateImplications come into play when Angel later is impregnated (by Beak, the chicken-man during a field trip with Xorneto) and suddenly lays ''half-a-dozen mutant children'' in large eggs. Though justified by the fact that her mutant powers make her very fly-like, and her name is doubly ironic because of how unpleasant she can be and X-Men already have the more experienced Archangel.

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* EthnicScrappy: EthnicScrappy:
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Creator/GrantMorrison during his tenure writing created Angel Salvadore, as some sort of vaguely Latina, foul-mouthed 14 year-old who was kicked out of her house by her step-father when her mutant powers developed. Some UnfortunateImplications come into play when Angel later is impregnated (by Beak, the chicken-man during a field trip with Xorneto) and suddenly lays ''half-a-dozen mutant children'' in large eggs. Though justified by the fact that her mutant powers make her very fly-like, and her name is doubly ironic because of how unpleasant she can be and X-Men already have the more experienced Archangel.



* FashionVictimVillain: '''[[http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=12&fldAuto=154 Changeling.]]''' Presumably the reason he's remained dead for so long is so no one will have to see that horrible headwear ever again.

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'''[[http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=12&fldAuto=154 Changeling.]]''' Presumably the reason he's remained dead for so long is so no one will have to see that horrible headwear ever again.



* HilariousInHindsight: 1968 saw issue #48 and an encounter with Computo, an artificial intelligence that could create his own cybernetic mooks. They were called Cybertrons -- a term put to more extensive use in [[Franchise/{{Transformers}} a different franchise]], one that included a Marvel comic.

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* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight:
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1968 saw issue #48 and an encounter with Computo, an artificial intelligence that could create his own cybernetic mooks. They were called Cybertrons -- a term put to more extensive use in [[Franchise/{{Transformers}} a different franchise]], one that included a Marvel comic.



* HoYay: Between Colossus and Wolverine. Ultimate Colossus is a StraightGay with an unrequited crush on Wolverine. In mainstream, they're just HeterosexualLifePartners.

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* HoYay: HoYay:
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Between Colossus and Wolverine. Ultimate Colossus is a StraightGay with an unrequited crush on Wolverine. In mainstream, they're just HeterosexualLifePartners.



* LesYay: Anything by Creator/ChrisClaremont. Try to deny the subtext between Storm and Yukio, Mirage and Wolfsbane, or Selene with Rachel Summers and Magma.
** Of course, he did it with [[HoYay guys]] and [[FoeYay villains]], too...
* MagnificentBastard: Sebastian Shaw; a would-be usurper comments at one point that trying to outplan him is likely a more difficult task than conquering a country.

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* LesYay: Anything by Creator/ChrisClaremont. Try to deny the subtext between Storm and Yukio, Mirage and Wolfsbane, or Selene with Rachel Summers and Magma.
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Magma. Of course, he did it with [[HoYay guys]] and [[FoeYay villains]], too...
* MagnificentBastard: MagnificentBastard:
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Sebastian Shaw; a would-be usurper comments at one point that trying to outplan him is likely a more difficult task than conquering a country.



* MemeticMutation: Thanks to Comic Book Resources, Beast [[InferredHolocaust is a war criminal]], Iceman [[AmbiguouslyGay is gay]], and Wolverine is Rachel Summers' real father.

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* MemeticMutation: MemeticMutation:
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Thanks to Comic Book Resources, Beast [[InferredHolocaust is a war criminal]], Iceman [[AmbiguouslyGay is gay]], and Wolverine is Rachel Summers' real father.



* MyRealDaddy: Despite being created and originally produced by Creator/StanLee and Creator/JackKirby, the series suffered from low sales and never truly found its voice until Creator/ChrisClaremont and Dave Cockrum (and soon after, Creator/JohnByrne) took over in the 1970s.

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* MyRealDaddy: MyRealDaddy:
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Despite being created and originally produced by Creator/StanLee and Creator/JackKirby, the series suffered from low sales and never truly found its voice until Creator/ChrisClaremont and Dave Cockrum (and soon after, Creator/JohnByrne) took over in the 1970s.



* NeverLiveItDown: Jean doesn't actually come BackFromTheDead that much. It only truly happened once (other times were fakeouts or resurrecting instantly, which applies to half the other characters as well). She was known for lots of crazy things happening to her, but it got recently morphed into solely coming back from the dead, when that isn't true. Probably people seeing the word "Phoenix", and not bothering to actually do research.

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* NeverLiveItDown: NeverLiveItDown:
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Jean doesn't actually come BackFromTheDead that much. It only truly happened once (other times were fakeouts or resurrecting instantly, which applies to half the other characters as well). She was known for lots of crazy things happening to her, but it got recently morphed into solely coming back from the dead, when that isn't true. Probably people seeing the word "Phoenix", and not bothering to actually do research.



* NightmareFuel / NauseaFuel: [[http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101201003936/marveldatabase/images/7/7e/Ichisumi_%28Earth-616%29.jpg Ichisumi]] [[http://marvel.wikia.com/Ichisumi_%28Earth-616%29 the Pestilence]], a.k.a. one of Apocalypse's Horsemen. Her mutant power is to release an infestation of near omnivorous yume beetles stored within her own body by dislodging her jaw, spawning from her mouth in massive swarms either devouring or disfiguring her intended mark. She is also able to mentally link with them when they return to her as each and every individual being her colony consumes also imparts unto them; and subsequently upon their habitat/queen, much of the victims' memories. You think the power to control insects like ''ComicBook/AntMan''[='s=] power is lame? Think again!

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* NightmareFuel / NauseaFuel: NightmareFuel:
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[[http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101201003936/marveldatabase/images/7/7e/Ichisumi_%28Earth-616%29.jpg Ichisumi]] [[http://marvel.wikia.com/Ichisumi_%28Earth-616%29 the Pestilence]], a.k.a. one of Apocalypse's Horsemen. Her mutant power is to release an infestation of near omnivorous yume beetles stored within her own body by dislodging her jaw, spawning from her mouth in massive swarms either devouring or disfiguring her intended mark. She is also able to mentally link with them when they return to her as each and every individual being her colony consumes also imparts unto them; and subsequently upon their habitat/queen, much of the victims' memories. You think the power to control insects like ''ComicBook/AntMan''[='s=] power is lame? Think again!



* PanderingToTheBase: For whatever reason, the half of X-Men fandom's BrokenBase that favors Wolverine finds themselves buttered up a lot more than the side that wants him to go away. Any issue with a lineup of X-Men will usually feature Wolverine will be front and center. There was even a cartoon series called ''WesternAnimation/WolverineAndTheXMen'', [[SpotlightStealingTitle where the X-Men got second billing]]. The first three ''Film/XMen'' films (especially the third one) are arguably more like Wolverine films than X-Men films.

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* PanderingToTheBase: PanderingToTheBase:
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For whatever reason, the half of X-Men fandom's BrokenBase that favors Wolverine finds themselves buttered up a lot more than the side that wants him to go away. Any issue with a lineup of X-Men will usually feature Wolverine will be front and center. There was even a cartoon series called ''WesternAnimation/WolverineAndTheXMen'', [[SpotlightStealingTitle where the X-Men got second billing]]. The first three ''Film/XMen'' films (especially the third one) are arguably more like Wolverine films than X-Men films.



* RootingForTheEmpire: A not-insignificant portion of the fandom reads ''entirely'' for the bad guys, even knowing StatusQuoIsGod in this medium. The fact that the X-Men seem to suffer from perpetual GenreBlindness, trucking on with their doomed mission despite very obviously living in a CrapsackWorld, makes it hard for some not to root for the more VisionaryVillain antagonists like Magneto, Exodus or, in recent years, Cyclops. The general idea here is "they might bad guys, but at least their hands aren't permanently attached to the IdiotBall."

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* RootingForTheEmpire: RootingForTheEmpire:
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A not-insignificant portion of the fandom reads ''entirely'' for the bad guys, even knowing StatusQuoIsGod in this medium. The fact that the X-Men seem to suffer from perpetual GenreBlindness, trucking on with their doomed mission despite very obviously living in a CrapsackWorld, makes it hard for some not to root for the more VisionaryVillain antagonists like Magneto, Exodus or, in recent years, Cyclops. The general idea here is "they might bad guys, but at least their hands aren't permanently attached to the IdiotBall."



* TheScrappy: Very few people seem to like Ink. Even fewer like the new Hellfire Club made up of 12-year-olds. Then there's Maggot, though most prefer to forget about him.

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* TheScrappy: TheScrappy:
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Very few people seem to like Ink. Even fewer like the new Hellfire Club made up of 12-year-olds. Then there's Maggot, though most prefer to forget about him.



* StrawmanHasAPoint: Very often it seems like is [[MemeticMutation Magneto was right]] arguing that peaceful co-existence between humans and mutants is impossible, considering that no matter what the X-Men do, the plot never seems to get any closer to reaching that, particularly because people in the Marvel Universe are TooDumbToLive and suffer from AesopAmnesia regarding that theme. It gets even worse that in a lot stories throughout the Marvel Universe, especially in recent years, they seem willing to easily sacrifice any and all of their freedoms at a moment's notice, so quite often it would seem like the world would be better if the X-Men let Magneto TakeOverTheWorld, since at least he doesn't go making the [[ComicBook/NormanOsborn Green Goblin]] the most powerful man in America.

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: StrawmanHasAPoint:
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Very often it seems like is [[MemeticMutation Magneto was right]] arguing that peaceful co-existence between humans and mutants is impossible, considering that no matter what the X-Men do, the plot never seems to get any closer to reaching that, particularly because people in the Marvel Universe are TooDumbToLive and suffer from AesopAmnesia regarding that theme. It gets even worse that in a lot stories throughout the Marvel Universe, especially in recent years, they seem willing to easily sacrifice any and all of their freedoms at a moment's notice, so quite often it would seem like the world would be better if the X-Men let Magneto TakeOverTheWorld, since at least he doesn't go making the [[ComicBook/NormanOsborn Green Goblin]] the most powerful man in America.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The recent 'Last Will and Testament of Charles Xavier' story featured a brief, throwaway appearance by Exodus as an agent of SHIELD and the head of its psi division. Yes, ''[[KnightTemplar Exodus]]''. And the thing is, exploring how a character like Exodus would [[HeelFaceTurn come to work for SHIELD at all]], let alone go so far as to help an organization primarily made up of humans hunt down a dangerous mutant threat, would be a story seriously worth reading. Unfortunately, though, Bennet was just there to [[TheWorfEffect get worfed]] by Bendis's GenericDoomsdayVillain Matthew Malloy and he played no further part in the rest of the story, which was so bad that it ended up being retconned.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
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The recent 'Last Will and Testament of Charles Xavier' story featured a brief, throwaway appearance by Exodus as an agent of SHIELD and the head of its psi division. Yes, ''[[KnightTemplar Exodus]]''. And the thing is, exploring how a character like Exodus would [[HeelFaceTurn come to work for SHIELD at all]], let alone go so far as to help an organization primarily made up of humans hunt down a dangerous mutant threat, would be a story seriously worth reading. Unfortunately, though, Bennet was just there to [[TheWorfEffect get worfed]] by Bendis's GenericDoomsdayVillain Matthew Malloy and he played no further part in the rest of the story, which was so bad that it ended up being retconned.



* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IzSGvXc_PM The show's opening theme.]] Undisputably badass.

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic:
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[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IzSGvXc_PM The show's opening theme.]] Undisputably badass.



* FoeYay: In the final episode of the series, [[spoiler:Magneto, upon hearing that he may be the only one able to save the dying Xavier, abandons the army he had gathered and goes to save his arch-enemy.]] It is possible that they're just ''really good friends,'' [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation but...]]

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* FoeYay: FoeYay:
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In the final episode of the series, [[spoiler:Magneto, upon hearing that he may be the only one able to save the dying Xavier, abandons the army he had gathered and goes to save his arch-enemy.]] It is possible that they're just ''really good friends,'' [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation but...]]



* HilariousInHindsight: In "The Phalanx Covenant" two-parter: While taking over the Earth, the Phalanx intend to assimilate mutant powers to further their goals. Beast shudders at the thought of (essentially) one being having every mutant power on Earth. Flash forward a decade later to the ''New Avengers'' arc, "The Collective"...

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* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight:
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In "The Phalanx Covenant" two-parter: While taking over the Earth, the Phalanx intend to assimilate mutant powers to further their goals. Beast shudders at the thought of (essentially) one being having every mutant power on Earth. Flash forward a decade later to the ''New Avengers'' arc, "The Collective"...
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*** Well, he'd probably be a lot like his BackupTwin, Warpath.



** Nightcrawler's episode was so well-received they wrote a second one just to bring him back and the writers seriously considered [[SixthRanger having him join the X-Men]] after "Bloodlines."
*** Which would have been quite appropriate, seeing as how Nightcrawler was part of the original ''New X-Men'' lineup from the 70s -- alongside Wolverine and Colossus.

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** Nightcrawler's episode was so well-received they wrote a second one just to bring him back and the writers seriously considered [[SixthRanger having him join the X-Men]] after "Bloodlines."
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" Which would have been quite appropriate, seeing as how Nightcrawler was part of the original ''New X-Men'' lineup from the 70s -- alongside Wolverine and Colossus.



*** You mean yellow.
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