History YMMV / WorldofWarcraft

7th Feb '17 2:45:06 AM THEKHAN
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** [[spoiler:Varimathras and his faction of the Forsaken]] triggered this trope when they [[spoiler:betrayed both the Horde and Alliance at the Wrathgate, killing thousands of soldiers on both sides (although one of the more notable Alliance casualties turned up later) and reigniting the Horde vs. Alliance war]].

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** [[spoiler:Varimathras and his faction of the Forsaken]] triggered this trope when they [[spoiler:betrayed both the Horde and Alliance at the Wrathgate, killing thousands of soldiers on both sides (although one of the more notable Alliance casualties turned up later) and reigniting the Horde vs. Alliance war]]. Sylvanas is well over the horizon from the start, employing the players to capture human farmers and chain them to be brought to mushroom plague camps where they'll be worked to death, tortured and experimented on. Forsaken or not, Horde or not, this is an early game sign that the Forsaken are definitely not a gray morality faction. If that's not depressing enough, then the Undercity doctors who keep a human woman, mutilated and blinded, and her brain parts removed to make a perfect slave. The doctor explains her torture and preparation in calm terms as she mindlessly toils in Undercity, the human slaves and prisoners of Undercity who are also literal fodder for the Forsaken, calmly passed by other Horde characters. Afterwards, ANY atrocity in-game feels less depressing.
6th Feb '17 4:55:16 AM JulianRayne
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*** First there's Rehgar Earthfury, Varian's orcish gladiator boss, who eventually became one of Thrall's most trusted lieutenants, and becomes a playable hero in ''VideoGame/HeroesOfTheStorm'' [[spoiler:before Legion ''finally'' gives him a proper [=WoW=] debut]]

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*** First there's Rehgar Earthfury, Varian's orcish gladiator boss, slavemaster, who eventually became one of Thrall's most trusted lieutenants, and becomes a playable hero in ''VideoGame/HeroesOfTheStorm'' [[spoiler:before Legion ''finally'' gives him a proper [=WoW=] debut]]
30th Jan '17 2:42:47 PM Nithael
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*** To be fair, he declared war on the Horde after seeing tons of discarded slaves who were Alliance prisoners of the Forsaken, tortured and killed for plague research and monstrous purposes.
30th Jan '17 5:44:27 AM THEKHAN
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** Lead quest designer Dave "Fargo" Kosak's pet seems to be Sylvanas Windrunner. From ''Cataclysm'' on, she begins using increasingly immoral means to accomplish her goals.[[note]] Which depending on who ask are ensuring the Forsaken's security and prosperity or just increasing her own power.[[/note]] She never really experiences much in the way of defeats and the setbacks she does experience are easily overcome. And despite her recent track record of forcibly raising the dead to serve her, using the plague whenever she encounters resistance, and clearly not feeling a shred of remorse for the lives she ended or ruined, in ''Legion'' [[spoiler:she's named the Warchief of the Horde over several better candidates. Vol'jin even hangs a lampshade on how many won't understand why she deserves even more authority and power after everything she's done.]]

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** Lead quest designer Dave "Fargo" Kosak's pet seems to be Sylvanas Windrunner. From ''Cataclysm'' on, she begins using increasingly immoral means to accomplish her goals.goals; not to mention her Forsaken had massive atrocities involving slavery, mass murder, vivisection and genocide right at Vanilla.[[note]] Which depending on who ask are ensuring the Forsaken's security and prosperity or just increasing her own power.[[/note]] She never really experiences much in the way of defeats and the setbacks she does experience are easily overcome. And despite her recent track record of forcibly raising the dead to serve her, using the plague whenever she encounters resistance, and clearly not feeling a shred of remorse for the lives she ended or ruined, in ''Legion'' [[spoiler:she's named the Warchief of the Horde over several better candidates. Vol'jin even hangs a lampshade on how many won't understand why she deserves even more authority and power after everything she's done.]]


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*** To be fair, he declared war on the Horde after seeing tons of discarded slaves who were Alliance prisoners of the Forsaken, tortured and killed for plague research and monstrous purposes.
23rd Jan '17 12:10:36 PM hullflyer
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** Jaina. Just look at how much she lost: Homeland, lovers ([[spoiler: two of whom spectacularly [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge went]] [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity insane]], [[FaceHeelTurn turned evil]], and died]]), mentor, father, any hope of peace, and now her new homeworld of Theramore; the casualties include her bodyguard Pained, her apprentice Kinnidy, and Rhonin, who [[HeroicSacrifice saves her life at the cost of his own]]. Goddammit Garrosh. Not to mention that it potentially gets worse, as seen in [[spoiler: the BadFuture that is End Time - her immortal soul is trapped forever in the incinerated ruins of the world, and is only freed when killed by the protagonist's party.]] Mercifully {{averted|Trope}} if you complete the final boss of ''Cataclysm'' (which, canonicly speaking, happens), so thank goodness for small favours. ''But then the Fall of Theramore happens.'' This finally snaps her and makes her outright despise the Horde. She stops short of destroying Orgrimmar, but is no longer the person she used to be.

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** Jaina. Just look at how much she lost: Homeland, lovers ([[spoiler: two ([[spoiler:two of whom spectacularly [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge went]] [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity insane]], [[FaceHeelTurn turned evil]], and died]]), mentor, father, any hope of peace, and now her new homeworld of Theramore; the casualties include her bodyguard Pained, her apprentice Kinnidy, and Rhonin, who [[HeroicSacrifice saves her life at the cost of his own]]. Goddammit Garrosh. Not to mention that it potentially gets worse, as seen in [[spoiler: the BadFuture that is End Time - her immortal soul is trapped forever in the incinerated ruins of the world, and is only freed when killed by the protagonist's party.]] Mercifully {{averted|Trope}} if you complete the final boss of ''Cataclysm'' (which, canonicly speaking, happens), so thank goodness for small favours. ''But then the Fall of Theramore happens.'' This finally snaps her and makes her outright despise the Horde. She stops short of destroying Orgrimmar, but is no longer the person she used to be.
23rd Jan '17 11:43:12 AM hullflyer
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** The entire plot of the Dragon Aspects itself. This idea of five dragons who are in charge of different elements of Azeroth fighting against the Old Gods has tons of storyline to be explored and how they affect the mortals' life when they were still Aspects. Instead, what we got is Deathwing, Nozdormu in the near future [[spoiler:and then Ysera]] quickly got corrupted and then killed off, Malygos went insane and got killed off while Alexstrasza and Ysera got severely depowered and DemotedToExtra after ''Cataclysm'' together with Wrathion while Kalecgos's storyline involving him dissolves the Blue Dragonflight and ties him up with Dalaran. It got to the point that Alexstrasza and Wrathion are the only ones that are competent or care enough about protecting Azeroth from the Old Gods and the Burning Legion. And this is still not mentioning of the already contentious storyline of dragons going sterile (see above) that doesn't even give much focus to the Dragonflights and what their reaction / resolution is.

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** The entire plot of the Dragon Aspects itself. This idea of five dragons who are in charge of different elements of Azeroth fighting against the Old Gods has tons of storyline to be explored and how they affect the mortals' life when they were still Aspects. Instead, what we got is Deathwing, Nozdormu in the near future [[spoiler:and then Ysera]] quickly got corrupted and then killed off, Malygos went insane and got killed off while Alexstrasza and Ysera got severely depowered and DemotedToExtra after ''Cataclysm'' together with Wrathion while Kalecgos's storyline involving involves him dissolves dissolving the Blue Dragonflight and ties him up with Dalaran. It got to the point that Alexstrasza and Wrathion are the only ones that are competent or care enough about protecting Azeroth from the Old Gods and the Burning Legion. And this is still not mentioning of the already contentious storyline of dragons going sterile (see above) that doesn't even give much focus to the Dragonflights and what their reaction / resolution is.
23rd Jan '17 11:39:00 AM hullflyer
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** Ysera, who unlike the other Dragon Aspect never quite managed to independently holds a plotline on her own and instead is usually relegated to a SatelliteCharacter whose action and characterization revolves around the other Aspects and/or the Night Elves, the latter of which spent several expansions OutOfFocus. [[spoiler:Her death in Legion doesn't help either as Ysera didn't even receive a DeathInTheLimelight and is separated from the other Aspects]].

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** Ysera, who unlike the other Dragon Aspect Aspects never quite managed to independently holds hold a plotline on her own and instead is usually relegated to a SatelliteCharacter whose action and characterization revolves around the other Aspects and/or the Night Elves, the latter of which spent several expansions OutOfFocus. [[spoiler:Her death in Legion doesn't help either as Ysera didn't even receive a DeathInTheLimelight and is separated from the other Aspects]].
23rd Jan '17 11:34:47 AM hullflyer
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*** The worst of this type is the Unborn Val'Kyr. It doesn't have a weather requirement, but you will wish it had that instead of how it does work. Specifically, it has only one or two spawn points in each zone in Northrend, only one shows up on the ''entire continent'' at a time, and it has a long, irregular spawn time. A nightmare for completists, and it's mostly luck if you find one.

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*** The worst of this type is the Unborn Val'Kyr. It doesn't have a weather requirement, but you will wish it had that instead of how it does work. Specifically, it has only one or two spawn points in each zone in Northrend, only one shows up on the ''entire continent'' at a time, and it has a long, irregular spawn time. A nightmare for completists, and it's mostly luck if you find one. Even worse when you try to look up battler strategies, and realize ''how goddamn many'' high-end PVE pet battle strategies involve using it - very few even acknowledge the difficulty in finding it, much less offer an alternative.
23rd Jan '17 11:06:46 AM hullflyer
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** Anduin Wrynn's new model in ''Legion'' was supposed to show his maturity and how much he unconsciously resembles his father. What ended up looking is that his new model bares almost no resemblances to the rather nice [=MoP=] and ''Cataclysm'' model and came off as Blizzard trying way too hard to push the narrative.

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** Anduin Wrynn's new model in ''Legion'' was supposed to show his maturity and how much he unconsciously resembles his father. What ended up looking is that his new model bares bears almost no resemblances to the rather nice [=MoP=] and ''Cataclysm'' model and came off as Blizzard trying way too hard to push the narrative.
23rd Jan '17 11:05:35 AM hullflyer
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** The giants in Wrath of the Lich king sounded ''very'' funny with how they all sounded like [[VideoGame/TeamFortress2 The Heavy]], while the females had smoker voices. Svala Sorrowgrave, however, tkaes the cake since it sounds like she [[https://youtu.be/7vMYB0pxp24?t=1m10s throws up]] instead of dying.

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** The giants in Wrath of the Lich king sounded ''very'' funny with how they all sounded like [[VideoGame/TeamFortress2 The Heavy]], while the females had smoker voices. Svala Sorrowgrave, however, tkaes takes the cake since it sounds like she [[https://youtu.be/7vMYB0pxp24?t=1m10s throws up]] instead of dying.
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