History YMMV / WorldofWarcraft

26th Aug '16 7:21:40 AM LadyJaneGrey
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* EvilIsCool: The Lich King. Honestly, given his backstory, appearance, and powers, this guy rates higher on the Coolness Factor than ''any'' of the good guys.
20th Aug '16 12:39:28 PM NaraNumas
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** ''Legion'' kind of zigzags. Every class order has a distinct storyline with its own plot, villain and characters, encouraging having at least one of every class at max level if you're a lore nut who wants all the story, plus the divergence of each class/spec that was a focus of Legion's design makes it a unique experience for every character. However, the way that Artifact weapons grow more powerful puts a soft timer on your character's power that you must devote time to, thus you'll be having to spend much more time on your main to power up the artifact you'll actually use for endgame (and this makes alt-specs hard too), as well as the return of reputation gates (you need to be at least honored with all the factions, including the Nightborne who only open after you hit max level) before you can do World Quests. It's sort of hard to tell if Blizzard wants you to mess around with alts or focus on your main, as while the ''Story'' certainly does, the ''gameplay'' and gating discourages it.
17th Aug '16 12:03:07 PM LadyJaneGrey
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* FanNickname: Several, such as high-ranking Darnassus druid Fandouche Toolhelm.
** Classes that are perceived as requiring no skill to play receive derogatory monikers, such as "Death Knoob" or "Huntard".
** Unusually easy fights are often given "loot-" nicknames, implying the designers might as well have placed the loot in a box for players to retrieve. Examples include Loot Reaver and Lootship.
** One of the first bits of paid downloadable content is the Celestial Steed, aka Sparklepony.
14th Aug '16 5:27:48 PM BroTim11
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** Illidan/Maiev have been touted since Warcraft 3, then made a comeback with Legion.



** Thassarian and Koltira. [[/folder]]

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** Thassarian and Koltira.
** Illidan/Maiev have been touted since Warcraft 3, then made a comeback with Legion.
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13th Aug '16 8:51:54 PM Prometheus117
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*** Rhonin: He becomes leader of the Kirin Tor over several better candidates. He marries one of the Windrunner sisters and gets to be connected to that famous high elven family. He gets to travel back in time and fight the Burning Legion. Though the backlash over him may be why he was KilledOffForReal in Tides of War.
*** Jarod Shadowsong: Some see him as being shoe-horned into the setting in the Warcraft novel Wolfheart. He's Maiev's brother, Shandris' love interest, friend to every major Night Elf character and a military commander whose skill borders on MartyTzu quality. He also gets no lore between the War of the Ancients and the Wolfheart novel but in the latter he's welcomed back with open arms after several thousand years of isolation, implying he spent several thousand years resting on his laurels yet is still held in high esteem in the Night Elves meritocratic society.
** Varian Wrynn ever since Cataclysm. Back in Wrath, he was portrayed as an impulsive hothead who would rather let an Old God overrun a continent than work with the Horde, and tried reigniting a world war in the middle of the Undercity by attacking ''Thrall.'' One expansion and a rather coldly recieved book (Wolfheart) later, and he's basically one of the most measured and respected world leaders (in-game) there is, and suddenly the whole Alliance revolves around him. People on both sides were not pleased. [[WeWantOurJerkBack And they still aren't]]. For context's sake, he told off Tyrande, the Night Elf leader with ten thousand years of combat experience, and came up with a better battle strategy on the spot. He has also been coronated as High King of the Alliance, basically overriding all other leaders in the faction while far too many of them extoll his virtues baselessly. Probably the worst example comes from the book Wolfheart though, where Varian wins a battle and the loyalty of the entire nation of Gineas by essentially being shown as the avatar of Goldrinn (Lo'gosh), the wolf ancient. Not only does this make him the vessel of a demigod, it also happens to be a demigod that has almost nothing to do with his race.

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*** Rhonin: He becomes leader of the Kirin Tor over several better candidates. He marries one of the Windrunner sisters and gets to be connected to that famous high elven family. He gets to travel back in time and fight the Burning Legion. Though the backlash over him may be why he was KilledOffForReal in Tides of War.
War, which ironically [[AlasPoorScrappy made more people like him]].
*** Jarod Shadowsong: Some see him as being shoe-horned into the setting in the Warcraft novel Wolfheart. He's Maiev's brother, Shandris' love interest, friend to every major Night Elf character and a military commander whose skill borders on MartyTzu quality. He also gets no lore between the War of the Ancients and the Wolfheart novel but in the latter he's welcomed back with open arms after several thousand years of isolation, implying he spent several thousand years resting on his laurels yet is still held in high esteem in the Night Elves meritocratic society.
society, though to be fair, [[IJustWantToBeNormal he made it clear he only did what he thought was necessary and just wanted to live in peace after helping to save the world]], and again, he was a major factor in saving Azeroth back then and many night elves remember him for that, like Malfurion and Tyrande.
** Varian Wrynn ever since Cataclysm. Back in Wrath, he was portrayed as an impulsive hothead who would rather let an Old God overrun a continent than work with the Horde, and tried reigniting a world war in the middle of the Undercity by attacking ''Thrall.'' One expansion and a rather coldly recieved book (Wolfheart) later, and he's basically one of the most measured and respected world leaders (in-game) there is, and suddenly the whole Alliance revolves around him. People on both sides were not pleased. [[WeWantOurJerkBack And they still aren't]]. For context's sake, he told off Tyrande, the Night Elf leader with ten thousand years of combat experience, and came up with a better battle strategy on the spot. He has also been coronated as High King of the Alliance, basically overriding all other leaders in the faction while far too many of them extoll his virtues baselessly. Probably the worst example comes from the book Wolfheart though, where Varian wins a battle and the loyalty of the entire nation of Gineas by essentially being shown as the avatar of Goldrinn (Lo'gosh), the wolf ancient. Not only does this make him the vessel of a demigod, it also happens to be a demigod that has almost nothing to do with his race. [[spoiler:Then he dies in ''Legion'' in perhaps the [[DyingMomentOfAwesome most epic way he could have gone out]] just to cement it, though most players would argue that's hardly a bad thing]].
13th Aug '16 2:33:37 AM YZQ
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*** [[spoiler: The opening cinematic of WoD shows Grom killing Mannoroth with the help of Garrosh, [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter some players argue this was a major waste of character]] as it would have been intresting to see the reaction of the Burning Legion to the rejection of the Blood of Mannoroth, along with the fact that AU!Mannoroth's death was very anticlimatic. On the other hand others argue that Mannoroth never had a big role in the expansion anyways and that it was better to kill him in the opening and focus the expansion on the Iron Horde]].

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*** [[spoiler: The opening cinematic of WoD shows Grom killing Mannoroth with the help of Garrosh, [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter some players argue this was a major waste of character]] as it would have been intresting to see the reaction of the Burning Legion to the rejection of the Blood of Mannoroth, along with the fact that AU!Mannoroth's death was very anticlimatic. On the other hand hand, others argue that Mannoroth never had a big role in the expansion anyways anyway and that it was better to kill him in the opening and focus the expansion on the Iron Horde]].Horde. In any case, he returns as the penultimate boss of the expansion's last raid.]]
12th Aug '16 4:49:14 AM kraas
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** [[spoiler: The ending cinematic for the Horde in ''Mists of Pandaria'' is now painful to watch, as Vol'jin got to do next to nothing as Warchief all through ''Warlords of Draenor'', and he dies after the introductory quest to ''Legion''.]]
10th Aug '16 8:31:18 PM BroTim11
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** Lead quest designer Dave "Fargo" Kosak's pet seems to be Sylvanas Windrunner. From ''Cataclysm'' on, she takes an active role in her quest for world domination, which by itself wasn't the issue. The problem fans saw was that no matter what she did, she always won. The revamped quest lines involved the Forsaken basically destroying every and all Alliance forces in Lordaeron, they won the Battle of Andorhol, after losing most of it, at the last minute because Sylvanas brought in Val'kyr. They killed the Prince of Stromgarde and now have a strong foothold in the Arathi Highlands (while the Alliance remain in unaltered hole). The real [[BrokenBase point of contention]] is that the Forsaken had the end of the Worgen storyline (in Silverpine) instead of the actual Worgen players (who were merged with the night elves). Her methods of victory is always "Throw plague at it, raise the remains," [[EvenEvilHasStandards an action many, including Garrosh, call her out on]]. And she has suffered literally no consequences, the only one really being that Lor'themar distancing the blood elves from the Forsaken, and even that doesn't count for much because by this point nothing has been seen to actually work on Sylvanas so it's unlikely she even needs the blood elves (who need her support to keep the plaguelands away from Silvermoon). Even worse, the patch leading up to ''Legion'' reveals [[spoiler: Blizzard actually killed off the very popular Vol'jin, after only one expansion as Warchief [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter where he made no significant contributions]], in order to give the title to Sylvanas. To add insult to injury, Vol'jin states that though he never trusted Sylvanas the Loa showed him a vision that indicates she should be Warchief and that many would not understand, [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall implying]] that [[DearNegativeReader the writers knew the fanbase would not react well]].]]

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** Lead quest designer Dave "Fargo" Kosak's pet seems to be Sylvanas Windrunner. From ''Cataclysm'' on, she takes an active role in her quest for world domination, which by itself wasn't the issue. The problem fans saw was that no matter what she did, she always won. The revamped quest lines involved the Forsaken basically destroying every and all Alliance forces in Lordaeron, they won the Battle of Andorhol, after losing most of it, at the last minute because Sylvanas brought in Val'kyr. They killed the Prince of Stromgarde and now have a strong foothold in the Arathi Highlands (while the Alliance remain in unaltered hole). The real [[BrokenBase point of contention]] is that the Forsaken had the end of the Worgen storyline (in Silverpine) instead of the actual Worgen players (who were merged with the night elves). Her methods of victory is always "Throw plague at it, raise the remains," [[EvenEvilHasStandards an action many, including Garrosh, call her out on]]. And she has suffered literally no consequences, the only one really being that Lor'themar distancing the blood elves from the Forsaken, and even that doesn't count for much because by this point nothing has been seen to actually work on Sylvanas so it's unlikely she even needs the blood elves (who need her support to keep the plaguelands away from Silvermoon). Even worse, the patch leading up to ''Legion'' reveals [[spoiler: Blizzard actually Vol'jin was killed off and with his dying words appointed Sylvanas Warchief of the very popular Vol'jin, Horde. To add insult to injury Vol'jin died after only one expansion as Warchief [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter where he made no without any significant contributions]], in order to give the title to Sylvanas. To add insult to injury, his decision was made after one PetTheDog moment from Sylvanas ([[PragmaticVillainy that benefited Sylvanas as well]]), Sylvanas was chosen over better candidates such as [[EnsembleDarkhorse Varok Saurfang]] despite Vol'jin states that though stating he never trusted her and there wasn't a word of disagreement from two faction leaders who disliked Sylvanas the Loa showed him a vision ([[BewareTheNiceOnes Baine]] and [[TheMenFirst Lor'themar]]). Vol'jin stating that indicates she should be Warchief and that "...many would not understand, understand" [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall implying]] seems to imply]] that [[DearNegativeReader the writers knew some of the fanbase would not react well]].well to Sylvanas being Warchief]].]]
10th Aug '16 6:09:10 PM BroTim11
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** Lead quest designer Dave "Fargo" Kosak's pet seems to be Sylvanas Windrunner. From ''Cataclysm'' on, she takes an active role in her quest for world domination, which by itself wasn't the issue. The problem fans saw was that no matter what she did, she always won. The revamped quest lines involved the Forsaken basically destroying every and all Alliance forces in Lordaeron, they won the Battle of Andorhol, after losing most of it, at the last minute because Sylvanas brought in Val'kyr. They killed the Prince of Stromgarde and now have a strong foothold in the Arathi Highlands (while the Alliance remain in unaltered hole). The real [[BrokenBase point of contention]] is that the Forsaken had the end of the Worgen storyline (in Silverpine) instead of the actual Worgen players (who were merged with the night elves). Her methods of victory is always "Throw plague at it, raise the remains," [[EvenEvilHasStandards an action many, including Garrosh, call her out on]]. And she has suffered literally no consequences, the only one really being that Lor'themar distancing the blood elves from the Forsaken, and even that doesn't count for much because by this point nothing has been seen to actually work on Sylvanas so it's unlikely she even needs the blood elves (who need her support to keep the plaguelands away from Silvermoon). Even worse, the patch leading up to ''Legion'' reveals [[spoiler: Blizzard actually killed off the very popular Vol'jin, after only one expansion as Warchief [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter where he made no significant contributions]], in order to give the title to Sylvanas. To add insult to injury, Vol'jin states that though he never trusted Sylvanas the Loa showed him a vision that indicates she should be Warchief and that many would not understand, [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall implying a possible awareness]] that [[DearNegativeReader the fanbase would not react well]].]]

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** Lead quest designer Dave "Fargo" Kosak's pet seems to be Sylvanas Windrunner. From ''Cataclysm'' on, she takes an active role in her quest for world domination, which by itself wasn't the issue. The problem fans saw was that no matter what she did, she always won. The revamped quest lines involved the Forsaken basically destroying every and all Alliance forces in Lordaeron, they won the Battle of Andorhol, after losing most of it, at the last minute because Sylvanas brought in Val'kyr. They killed the Prince of Stromgarde and now have a strong foothold in the Arathi Highlands (while the Alliance remain in unaltered hole). The real [[BrokenBase point of contention]] is that the Forsaken had the end of the Worgen storyline (in Silverpine) instead of the actual Worgen players (who were merged with the night elves). Her methods of victory is always "Throw plague at it, raise the remains," [[EvenEvilHasStandards an action many, including Garrosh, call her out on]]. And she has suffered literally no consequences, the only one really being that Lor'themar distancing the blood elves from the Forsaken, and even that doesn't count for much because by this point nothing has been seen to actually work on Sylvanas so it's unlikely she even needs the blood elves (who need her support to keep the plaguelands away from Silvermoon). Even worse, the patch leading up to ''Legion'' reveals [[spoiler: Blizzard actually killed off the very popular Vol'jin, after only one expansion as Warchief [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter where he made no significant contributions]], in order to give the title to Sylvanas. To add insult to injury, Vol'jin states that though he never trusted Sylvanas the Loa showed him a vision that indicates she should be Warchief and that many would not understand, [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall implying a possible awareness]] implying]] that [[DearNegativeReader the writers knew the fanbase would not react well]].]]
10th Aug '16 6:04:33 PM BroTim11
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** Lead quest designer Dave "Fargo" Kosak's pet seems to be Sylvanas Windrunner. From ''Cataclysm'' on, she takes an active role in her quest for world domination, which by itself wasn't the issue. The problem fans saw was that no matter what she did, she always won. The revamped quest lines involved the Forsaken basically destroying every and all Alliance forces in Lordaeron, they won the Battle of Andorhol, after losing most of it, at the last minute because Sylvanas brought in Val'kyr. They killed the Prince of Stromgarde and now have a strong foothold in the Arathi Highlands (while the Alliance remain in unaltered hole). The real [[BrokenBase point of contention]] is that the Forsaken had the end of the Worgen storyline (in Silverpine) instead of the actual Worgen players (who were merged with the night elves). Her methods of victory is always "Throw plague at it, raise the remains," [[EvenEvilHasStandards an action many, including Garrosh, call her out on]]. And she has suffered literally no consequences, the only one really being that Lor'themar distancing the blood elves from the Forsaken, and even that doesn't count for much because by this point nothing has been seen to actually work on Sylvanas so it's unlikely she even needs the blood elves (who need her support to keep the plaguelands away from Silvermoon). Even worse, datminers claim that in ''Legion'', [[spoiler: Blizzard actually kills the very popular Vol'jin off after only one expansion as Warchief in order to give the title to Sylvanas]].

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** Lead quest designer Dave "Fargo" Kosak's pet seems to be Sylvanas Windrunner. From ''Cataclysm'' on, she takes an active role in her quest for world domination, which by itself wasn't the issue. The problem fans saw was that no matter what she did, she always won. The revamped quest lines involved the Forsaken basically destroying every and all Alliance forces in Lordaeron, they won the Battle of Andorhol, after losing most of it, at the last minute because Sylvanas brought in Val'kyr. They killed the Prince of Stromgarde and now have a strong foothold in the Arathi Highlands (while the Alliance remain in unaltered hole). The real [[BrokenBase point of contention]] is that the Forsaken had the end of the Worgen storyline (in Silverpine) instead of the actual Worgen players (who were merged with the night elves). Her methods of victory is always "Throw plague at it, raise the remains," [[EvenEvilHasStandards an action many, including Garrosh, call her out on]]. And she has suffered literally no consequences, the only one really being that Lor'themar distancing the blood elves from the Forsaken, and even that doesn't count for much because by this point nothing has been seen to actually work on Sylvanas so it's unlikely she even needs the blood elves (who need her support to keep the plaguelands away from Silvermoon). Even worse, datminers claim that in ''Legion'', the patch leading up to ''Legion'' reveals [[spoiler: Blizzard actually kills killed off the very popular Vol'jin off Vol'jin, after only one expansion as Warchief [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter where he made no significant contributions]], in order to give the title to Sylvanas]].Sylvanas. To add insult to injury, Vol'jin states that though he never trusted Sylvanas the Loa showed him a vision that indicates she should be Warchief and that many would not understand, [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall implying a possible awareness]] that [[DearNegativeReader the fanbase would not react well]].]]



*** Jarod Shadowsong: Some see him as being shoe-horned into the setting in the Warcraft novel Wolfheart. He's Maiev's brother, Shandris' love interest, friend to every major Night Elf character and a military commander whose skill borders on MartyTzu quality.

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*** Jarod Shadowsong: Some see him as being shoe-horned into the setting in the Warcraft novel Wolfheart. He's Maiev's brother, Shandris' love interest, friend to every major Night Elf character and a military commander whose skill borders on MartyTzu quality. He also gets no lore between the War of the Ancients and the Wolfheart novel but in the latter he's welcomed back with open arms after several thousand years of isolation, implying he spent several thousand years resting on his laurels yet is still held in high esteem in the Night Elves meritocratic society.
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