History YMMV / WorldofWarcraft

19th Sep '17 8:53:56 PM Jokubas
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** That wasn't Jaina's first brush with this concept, either. In Warcraft III, Jaina was an ActionGirl who, at the end of the story, ultimately let the Horde kill her father in order to preserve the peace that they had finally made after defeating the Burning Legion. This, however, slowly got inflated until the fandom begun to consider her an ActualPacifist, despite her not actually hating fighting, just seeing that the Alliance had no reason to fight Thrall's new Horde. Along with this, her lack of attention in the plot of early World of Warcraft aside from appearing a couple of times in emotionally charged moments to cry, had led players to assume she had undergone {{Chickification}}. These two things ultimately led to the fanbase seeing Jaina as a weak and pathetic character who desperately needed to be RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap. Unfortunately, while that prevailing interpretation of her was mostly overturned, it was only by the aforementioned previous bullet point that arguably made things worse. This version had gotten so bad, however, that it did survive in pockets in ways that leads to the worse interpretations of the tunnel-visioned Jaina. For instance, Jaina allowing troops to move through her city was seen as a betrayal of her character that deserved the Horde's ire, even though Jaina was never actually a pacifist. While Jaina would certainly have preferred to keep things with Garrosh the way they had been with Thrall, Garrosh was a proud warmonger and Jaina was always willing to fight people like him who you could not have peace with.
19th Sep '17 6:15:58 PM Jokubas
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** Thrall seems fated to never live down his "Green Jesus" meme. To explain, Thrall grew up as a gladiator before escaping, freeing his people, helping to redeem them, and rediscovering their old ways. Then in the lead-up to the Cataclysm expansion, him having the skills of a warrior but the religion of a shaman is suddenly transformed into him being the most powerful shaman on Azeroth and a bit of a chosen one who leaves his role as Warchief to single-handedly hold the world together. On top of that, he had previously discovered that his birth name was Go'el, an oft-presumed shout out to [[ComicBook/{{Superman}} Kal-El]], and started insisting everyone use it now (despite the very intentional and meaningful reason he kept the name Thrall to begin with). Even though Thrall was toned back down in the following expansion and had small roles in the two after that, the fandom has found it hard to forget. He was an extremely popular and well-loved character up until Cataclysm, which might be why the increased focus happened to begin with, but it ultimately backfired. It doesn't help that once escalated to that point, his retirement in future expansions simply makes him look negligent since there's no official reason he shouldn't be able to continue saving the world with ease.
19th Sep '17 5:53:18 PM Jokubas
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* NeverLiveItDown: Many, many fans consider Garrosh's killing of Cairne to be his MoralEventHorizon, even though the entire affair was full of mitigating factors and was treated as a [[GreyAndGrayMorality grey and ambiguous conflict]] (Garrosh was innocent, but brashly upped the stakes; Cairne's accusations were wrong and baseless, but he was winning the duel before a betrayal cost him his life) for both parties. Interestingly enough, Baine believes that Garrosh was partly to blame for his father's death, but resolves to work with him for the sake of the Horde until Garrosh does even more terrible things and is about to tear the Horde apart.
** Jaina's brief tenure as a tunnel-visioned warmonger in ''Tides of War'' caused many players to claim that "[[TookALevelInJerkass Jaina Proudmoore died at Theramore.]]" They seem to forget that this was by and large addressed in the very same book, and even at her worst she's never approached that mindset since. An even worse example came with the Purge of Dalaran, which is seen as her MoralEventHorizon by some players, despite the conflict being deliberately grey with [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation no clear moral victor]]. Unfortunately, it seemed that Blizzard made the tunnel-vision stick as she is still very obstructive to Horde in ''Warlords of Draenor'' and then leaving Dalaran in ''Legion'' bitterly because Khadgar opened it to become a neutral hub which means the Horde can enter again.
*** For that matter, Aethas Sunreaver's mishandling of the purge is something few fans are willing to forget. Whether you're on his side of the argument or not, few disagree that he [[AccompliceByInaction screwed up big time]] when the chips fell.
** In a classic case of WeWantOurJerkBack, Lady Liadrin is seen by some fans as having been watered down by her redemption arc at the end of the Sunwell Plateau, compounded by her then [[LeftHanging not appearing in the story for the next six years]]. Her later appearances paint her as far more moderate and heroic than her quests in ''The Burning Crusade'', but not without some greyness.
*** Both Jaina and Liadrin have created {{Broken Base}}s. However, just as many outspoken fans prefer the new directions of these characters.
** Blizzard's writers themselves have received flak for their handling of certain characters. The fates that befell Kael'thas, Vashj and Illidan are frequently held up as Blizzard's writing at its worst, and their handling of the orcs in [=MoP=] and [=WoD=] is something the fans are unlikely to forgive within Chris Metzen's lifetime.

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* NeverLiveItDown: It's not unusual for a character in World of Warcraft to become defined by a single action or moment by the fanbase regardless of what's actually reflected in canon.
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Many, many fans consider Garrosh's killing of Cairne to be his MoralEventHorizon, even though the entire affair was full of mitigating factors and was treated as a [[GreyAndGrayMorality grey and ambiguous conflict]] (Garrosh was innocent, but brashly upped the stakes; Cairne's accusations were wrong and baseless, but he was winning the duel before a betrayal cost him his life) for both parties. Ultimately, Cairne died because Garrosh's weapon was ''poisoned'' which he did not ask for and was unaware of. Interestingly enough, Baine believes that Garrosh was partly to blame for his father's death, but resolves resolved to work with him for the sake of the Horde until Garrosh does did even more terrible things and is was about to tear the Horde apart.
** Jaina's brief tenure as a tunnel-visioned warmonger in ''Tides of War'' caused many players to claim that "[[TookALevelInJerkass Jaina Proudmoore died at Theramore.]]" They seem to forget that Theramore]]", even though this was by and large addressed in the very same book, and even at her worst she's never approached that mindset since. An even worse example came However, a vocal element of the playerbase has taken that moment and {{Flanderized}} it into Jaina being an insane perpetrator of genocide with the Purge blood of Dalaran, which is seen as half the world on her MoralEventHorizon by some players, despite the conflict being deliberately grey with [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation no clear moral victor]]. Unfortunately, it seemed hands. It doesn't help that Blizzard made the tunnel-vision stick as she went back on her development with the Purge of Dalaran, is still very obstructive to the Horde in ''Warlords of Draenor'' Draenor'', and then leaving left Dalaran in ''Legion'' bitterly because Khadgar opened it to become a neutral hub which means the Horde can enter again.
*** For that matter, Aethas Sunreaver's mishandling of the purge is something few fans are willing to forget. Whether you're on his side of the argument or not, few disagree that he [[AccompliceByInaction screwed up big time]] when the chips fell.
** In a classic case of WeWantOurJerkBack, Lady Liadrin is seen by some fans as having been watered down by her redemption arc at the end of the Sunwell Plateau, compounded by her then [[LeftHanging not appearing in the story for the next six years]]. Her later appearances paint her as far more moderate and heroic than her quests in ''The Burning Crusade'',
again, but not without some greyness.
*** Both Jaina and Liadrin have created {{Broken Base}}s. However, just as many outspoken fans prefer the new directions
in all of these characters.
** Blizzard's writers themselves have received flak for their handling of certain characters. The fates that befell Kael'thas, Vashj
cases, she never actually hurts anyone herself and usually just leaves in a huff without a fight.
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Illidan are frequently held up recovered from this. He served as Blizzard's writing at its worst, and their handling the poster villain of the orcs Burning Crusade expansion, which led to his more morally ambiguous character be replaced with a CardCarryingVillain who was put down unceremoniously. Being the primary exposure to him for many players, this differing characterization defined him even retroactively for much of the playerbase. When Illidan returned in [=MoP=] Legion, many immediately assumed he was on the villain's side, and [=WoD=] is something would wonder why they were helping him when they realized they had to do so. In the fans are unlikely end, however, the commitment to forgive within Chris Metzen's lifetime.reestablishing his character seemed to slowly explain to people who he originally was. Unfortunately, his old allies Kael'thas and Lady Vashj seem cursed to forever be remembered with their CardCarryingVillain personalities that appeared from nowhere in the Burning Crusade.
17th Sep '17 6:37:51 AM Snope
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** You'd actually be very surprised how [[WasteOfTimeStory little]] people pay attention to the quests.
*** You'd actually be very surprised how much players who enjoy narrative and variety in their video games appreciate it.
11th Sep '17 12:02:14 AM NaraNumas
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** After the "Rejection of the Gift" scenario, a ''very'' big one has happened: [[spoiler: Is the Light legitimately an ultimately benevolent good in the world? Or is it just the Order opposing the Void's Chaos and is just as bad at the farthest extreme? Xe'ra's forcefulness and sinister behavior when she tries to force Illidan to merge with her into a champion of light and dark has created a lot of the latter sentiment, especially since, as ''the'' Prime Naaru, the buck for the Light's purpose ultimately stops with her until we get proof that Elune is in fact a Light overdeity (which has scant proof to back it up). That the Lightforged Draenei seem to be on the far end of KnightTemplar and show light-based mutations NotSoDifferent from Void or Fel corrupted Draenei just furthers this. Many fans are now considering that LightIsNotGood may now be in effect for everything to do with the far extreme side of the Light, and not just the forces who use it for evil actions.]]
5th Sep '17 11:30:55 PM Nicoaln
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** Prophet Velen... at least in Warlords of Draenor. Prophet Velen, who is memetically known to be [[OutOfFocus sitting in the Exodar out of the spotlight that the Wrynn family and Jaina have practically glued onto them]] appears and is built up to be playing a major role to alliance players. Finally, players won't have to delve very deep into the expanded universe to find relevancy held by him! Except he [[spoiler: kicks the bucket in Shadowmoon Valley - the ''first zone'' in Warlords of Draenor for alliance players]], and Yrel, a new character entirely, takes the role of the leader. Some feel Velen was kicked in the face and that Yrel was an AssPull, while others like that Yrel is a good character on her own. The silver lining is that [[spoiler:this is an alternate Prophet Velen, in a realm where most Draenei survived. The main timeline Velen, who came from a Draenor where nearly every Draenei, possibly including the main timeline's Yrel, have been turned to bones forming the Hellfire Peninsula, is still alive, so this is not be the end for Velen]]...unless Blizzard forgets about him again.
*** So far, in Legion, Velen has ''not'' been wasted.

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** Prophet Velen...Velen prior to Legion. at least in Warlords of Draenor. Prophet Velen, who is memetically known to be [[OutOfFocus sitting in the Exodar out of the spotlight that the Wrynn family and Jaina have practically glued onto them]] appears and is built up to be playing a major role to alliance players. Finally, players won't have to delve very deep into the expanded universe to find relevancy held by him! Except he [[spoiler: kicks the bucket in Shadowmoon Valley - the ''first zone'' in Warlords of Draenor for alliance players]], and Yrel, a new character entirely, takes the role of the leader. Some feel Velen was kicked in the face and that Yrel was an AssPull, while others like that Yrel is a good character on her own. The silver lining is that [[spoiler:this is an alternate Prophet Velen, in a realm where most Draenei survived. The main timeline Velen, who came from a Draenor where nearly every Draenei, possibly including the main timeline's Yrel, have been turned to bones forming the Hellfire Peninsula, is still alive, so this is not be the end for Velen]]...unless Blizzard forgets about him again.
*** So far, in Legion, Velen has ''not'' been wasted.
Velen]]
5th Sep '17 11:04:55 PM Nicoaln
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** Can be invoked by the players themselves. while rare, there are some cinematics that show the players wearing their current gear and equipment. Such as, for example, a rather [[OhCrap climactic scene where Aggramar tries to flatten your character]] and your character [[HopelessBossFight takes out their weapon anyway]] can be ruined by transmogging your characters' armour to something extremely ill-fitting, skimpy, or hideous. Bonus points for if you transmog your artifact to look really simplistic or like one of the joke items. Nothing says what should be a climactic last stand like a rogue taking out [[http://pureawesome.net/wow/transmog/dagger_barman.jpg broken glass bottles]]!
*** Almost every server (and probably guild for that matter) has at least ''one'' raider who gets the single most ''hideous'' set of transmogs or decides to make the most improbable weapon ever. Nothing says "Main Tank" or "DPS" like fighting off the Legion or the Scourge with a pitchfork! Bonus points if it's enchanted.
*** Was also PlayedForLaughs in the "Trial of Style". Some players would take it seriously and make beautiful sets, sometimes out of mismatching expansion sets... while others tried to make ''the'' most ''ridiculous'' looking gear on their characters ''ever''.
1st Sep '17 7:39:55 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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---> '''Varian Wrynn''': '''[[LargeHam If you want my kingdom, you'll have to take it the old-fashioned way!]]''' With '''blood''' and '''iron!'''
---> '''Onyxia''': [[ChewingTheScenery Black dragons are]] '''[[ChewingTheScenery made]]''' [[ChewingTheScenery of blood and iron!]] [[ChewingTheScenery And we kill with]] '''[[ChewingTheScenery lava]]''' [[ChewingTheScenery and]] '''[[ChewingTheScenery magic!]]''' *shoots lava burst*
---> '''Varian Wrynn''': '''[[ChewingTheScenery SO DO HUMANS!]]'''

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---> '''Varian -->'''Varian Wrynn''': '''[[LargeHam If you want my kingdom, you'll have to take it the old-fashioned way!]]''' With '''blood''' and '''iron!'''
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'''Onyxia''': [[ChewingTheScenery Black dragons are]] '''[[ChewingTheScenery made]]''' [[ChewingTheScenery of blood and iron!]] [[ChewingTheScenery And we kill with]] '''[[ChewingTheScenery lava]]''' [[ChewingTheScenery and]] '''[[ChewingTheScenery magic!]]''' *shoots ''(shoots lava burst*
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'''Varian Wrynn''': '''[[ChewingTheScenery SO DO HUMANS!]]'''
29th Aug '17 4:32:19 PM Snope
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** As for Xe'ra herself, she is infamous for [[NiceJobBreakingItHero guilt tripping the player]] and [[CharacterShilling shilling]] Illidan like crazy, despite the story having recently admitted that Illidan really did do some horrible things (even if for the greater good) and Xe'ra's own allies encouraging us to do what we did. 7.3 reveals [[GoodIsNotNice she is willing to do whatever it takes]] to fulfill the prophecy, even if that means [[spoiler: forcibly purifying her glorified "chosen one" when he [[ScrewDestiny rejects his role as the Child of Light and Shadow]].]]

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** As for Xe'ra herself, she is infamous for [[NiceJobBreakingItHero guilt tripping the player]] and [[CharacterShilling shilling]] Illidan like crazy, despite the story having recently admitted that Illidan really did do some horrible things (even if for the greater good) and Xe'ra's own allies encouraging us to do what we did. 7.3 reveals that guilt-tripping is pretty in-character for her. [[spoiler: [[GoodIsNotNice she She is willing to do whatever it takes]] to fulfill the prophecy, even if that means [[spoiler: forcibly purifying her glorified "chosen one" when he [[ScrewDestiny rejects his role as the Child of Light and Shadow]].]]
29th Aug '17 3:58:01 PM Snope
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** Illidan's return has ended up creating a bit of a BrokenBase. On the one hand, they addressed the issues and out of character moments in Burning Crusade extremely well in a smooth saving throw, by revealing that the horrible things he was doing were the high cost to setting up a desperate plan to lop off the head of the Legion once and for all, and us killing him was actually part of ''Kil'jaeden's'' plot to get us to deal with the Legion's Illidan problem for them. However, many have found this good will to have been squandered by Xe'ra, the character pushing us to bring Illidan back. Xe'ra's dialogue [[NiceJobBreakingItHero guilt trips the player]] and [[CharacterShilling shills]] Illidan like crazy, despite the story having recently admitted that Illidan really did do some horrible things (even if for the greater good) and Xe'ra's own allies encouraging us to do what we did. Many assume an ulterior motive from Xe'ra due to the blatant contradictions on hand.

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** Illidan's return has ended up creating a bit of a BrokenBase. On the one hand, they addressed the issues and out of character moments in Burning Crusade extremely well in a smooth saving throw, by revealing that the horrible things he was doing were the high cost to setting up a desperate plan to lop off the head of the Legion once and for all, and us killing him was actually part of ''Kil'jaeden's'' plot to get us to deal with the Legion's Illidan problem for them. However, many have found this good will to have been squandered by Xe'ra, the character pushing us to bring Illidan back. Xe'ra's dialogue
** As for Xe'ra herself, she is infamous for
[[NiceJobBreakingItHero guilt trips tripping the player]] and [[CharacterShilling shills]] shilling]] Illidan like crazy, despite the story having recently admitted that Illidan really did do some horrible things (even if for the greater good) and Xe'ra's own allies encouraging us to do what we did. Many assume an ulterior motive from Xe'ra due 7.3 reveals [[GoodIsNotNice she is willing to do whatever it takes]] to fulfill the blatant contradictions on hand.prophecy, even if that means [[spoiler: forcibly purifying her glorified "chosen one" when he [[ScrewDestiny rejects his role as the Child of Light and Shadow]].]]
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