History YMMV / WorldOfWarcraft

25th Jul '16 1:55:52 PM SpaceDrake
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** Illidan: Was he a hero who was willing to go to extreme lengths to save his friends, family, and the world? Was he an AntiHero who still ultimately did the right thing? Was he a WellIntentionedExtremist who didn't realize his own evil? Or was he just a power-mad loner who did a couple of good deeds to justify it to himself? Notable in that the writing of the games have slowly slid from the first to the last in the way it portrays both his current and ''past'' actions overtime.

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** Illidan: Was he a hero who was willing to go to extreme lengths to save his friends, family, and the world? Was he an AntiHero who still ultimately did the right thing? Was he a WellIntentionedExtremist who didn't realize his own evil? Or was he just a power-mad loner who did a couple of good deeds to justify it to himself? Notable in that the writing of the games have slowly slid from the first to the last in the way it portrays both his current and ''past'' actions overtime.over time. ''Legion'' and its supplementary material, in particular, posit that ''all'' of these interpretations are valid to some extent, and various other characters lean in one direction or another over him (the split between Kayn and Altruis being the most obvious).
25th Jul '16 9:17:57 AM ChrisX
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** Jaina Proudmoore after ''Mists of Pandaria''. Some thinks that her CharacterDevelopment made sense as she saw everything she worked for peace destroyed in moments, because of the side she trusted as well. Others believe that it's a CharacterDevelopment gone wrong that it was delivered in breakneck speed and is always shoved to the players' throats, in addition of really going against her characterization in [=WC3=], being the woman who would be okay with her father being dead in order to ensure peace, now she's considered [[BecameTheirOwnAntithesis to be an insult to that]].

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** Jaina Proudmoore after ''Mists of Pandaria''. Some thinks that her CharacterDevelopment made sense as she saw everything she worked for peace destroyed in moments, because of the side she trusted as well. Others believe that it's a CharacterDevelopment gone wrong that it was delivered in breakneck speed and is always shoved to the players' throats, in addition of really going against her characterization in [=WC3=], being the woman who would be okay with her father being dead in order to ensure peace, now she's considered [[BecameTheirOwnAntithesis to be an insult to that]]. The anti-camp is more likely to be glad with the presence of ''VideoGame/HeroesOfTheStorm'' whereas Jaina there hasn't progressed to this base-breaking Jaina.
25th Jul '16 9:16:21 AM ChrisX
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** Jaina Proudmoore after ''Mists of Pandaria''. Some thinks that her CharacterDevelopment made sense as she saw everything she worked for peace destroyed in moments, because of the side she trusted as well. Others believe that it's a CharacterDevelopment gone wrong that it was delivered in breakneck speed and is always shoved to the players' throats, in addition of really going against her characterization in [=WC3=], being the woman who would be okay with her father being dead in order to ensure peace, now she's considered [[BecomeTheirOwnAntithesis to be an insult to that]].

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** Jaina Proudmoore after ''Mists of Pandaria''. Some thinks that her CharacterDevelopment made sense as she saw everything she worked for peace destroyed in moments, because of the side she trusted as well. Others believe that it's a CharacterDevelopment gone wrong that it was delivered in breakneck speed and is always shoved to the players' throats, in addition of really going against her characterization in [=WC3=], being the woman who would be okay with her father being dead in order to ensure peace, now she's considered [[BecomeTheirOwnAntithesis [[BecameTheirOwnAntithesis to be an insult to that]].
25th Jul '16 9:15:59 AM ChrisX
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** Jaina Proudmoore after ''Mists of Pandaria''. Some thinks that her CharacterDevelopment made sense as she saw everything she worked for peace destroyed in moments, because of the side she trusted as well. Others believe that it's a CharacterDevelopment gone wrong that it was delivered in breakneck speed and is always shoved to the players' throats, in addition of really going against her characterization in [=WC3=], being the woman who would be okay with her father being dead in order to ensure peace, now she's considered [[BecomeTheirOwnAntithesis to be an insult to that]].
17th Jul '16 11:24:47 PM morenohijazo
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* TakeThatScrappy: Some people interpret certain hated [=NPC=]s becoming bosses as this, such as Fandral Staghelm in the Firelands, Garrosh Hellscream(this one was confirmed) in Siege of Orgrimmar, and [[spoiler:Three Sha-corrupted spirits of Golden Lotus members, and the Klaxxi Paragons]], some of the questgivers for the reviled daily quests, also from Siege of Orgrimmar.

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* TakeThatScrappy: Some people interpret certain hated [=NPC=]s becoming bosses as this, such as Fandral Staghelm in the Firelands, Garrosh Hellscream(this Hellscream (this one was confirmed) in Siege of Orgrimmar, and [[spoiler:Three Sha-corrupted spirits of Golden Lotus members, and the Klaxxi Paragons]], some of the questgivers for the reviled daily quests, also from Siege of Orgrimmar.



* UnderusedGameMechanic: The game managed to avert this after a few years in several ways. Originally, Naxxramas was considered to be a ''very'' good dungeon mechanics wise, but the steep barrier to entry meant most of the playerbase would never see it. In addition, several dungeons that are rarely run anymore had unique mechanics that newcomers (or people who missed them in the day) would never see. However, Naxxrammas was moved to the entry level raiding dungeon in Wrath, and several mechanics have actually been incorporated into other bosses since then.
* UnintentionallySympathetic: Even with the retcons about the Zandalar having an empire in the past with the Mogu, many players feel sympathy for them. Considering the Zandalar's home is lost, they were friendly to people of all races, befriended the player characters, and want to save themselves from extinction, this isn't surprising.



* UnintentionallySympathetic: Even with the retcons about the Zandalar having an empire in the past with the Mogu, many players feel sympathy for them. Considering the Zandalar's home is lost, they were friendly to people of all races, befriended the player characters, and want to save themselves from extinction, this isn't surprising.
14th Jul '16 8:41:29 AM hullflyer
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** If you read the Expanded Universe, Alexstrasza the Life Binder has led a really bad life too. She lost her brother before become an Aspects; was betrayed and manipulated by her fellow Aspect Deathwing; kidnapped during the Second War by the orcs served the Burning Legion to forcefully lay dragon eggs for them to conquer Azeroth and killed the drakes when no longer of use or else they would smash her unhatched eggs and smear the yolk on her face. She finally escaped by the effort of her consort Korialstrasz but later has to slay TWO of her fellow Aspeccts Deathwing and Malygos in order to protect Azeroth, not to mention one of her alternative universe counterpart briefly thought that Korialstrasz has betrayed the Red Dragonflights when he destroyed the corrupted dragon eggs. What does she get for leading Azeroth to stop Deathwing? [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished Losing her powers and dragonflights became a]] DyingRace [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished in Azeroth at the end of the expansion]]. Then there's also the fact that she is the guardians of all lives in Azeroth, meaning that every death caused by her corrupted children and by all of the above events hit her much harder than anyone can understand. And yet, throughout all of those tragedies, she [[IronWoobie still remains]] the BigGood of Azeroth; treasures all lives equally (she ''forgave'' the orcs for their horrible treatment of her) and helpful to the world when the need arise - an impressive feats on it own given the fact that she was one of the most powerful Dragons while each of the other Dragon Aspects suffered from FantasticRacism toward the "lesser race" and remain secluded (Nozdormu and formerly Malygos), homicidal maniac (Deathwing and Malygos again) or favored one specific race over the others (Ysera with the Night Elves).

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** If you read the Expanded Universe, Alexstrasza the Life Binder has led a really bad life too. She lost her brother before become becoming an Aspects; Aspect; was betrayed and manipulated by her fellow Aspect Deathwing; kidnapped during the Second War by the orcs served serving the Burning Legion to forcefully lay dragon eggs for them to conquer Azeroth and killed the drakes when no longer of use or else they would smash her unhatched eggs and smear the yolk on her face. She finally escaped by the effort of her consort Korialstrasz but later has to slay TWO of her fellow Aspeccts Deathwing and Malygos in order to protect Azeroth, not to mention one of her alternative universe counterpart counterparts briefly thought that Korialstrasz has betrayed the Red Dragonflights when he destroyed the corrupted dragon eggs. What does she get for leading Azeroth to stop Deathwing? [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished Losing her powers and dragonflights became a]] DyingRace [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished in Azeroth at the end of the expansion]]. Then there's also the fact that she is the guardians guardian of all lives in Azeroth, meaning that every death caused by her corrupted children and by all of the above events hit her much harder than anyone can understand. And yet, throughout all of those tragedies, she [[IronWoobie still remains]] the BigGood of Azeroth; treasures all lives equally (she ''forgave'' the orcs for their horrible treatment of her) and helpful to the world when the need arise arises - an impressive feats feat on it its own given the fact that she was one of the most powerful Dragons while each of the other Dragon Aspects suffered from FantasticRacism toward the "lesser race" and remain secluded (Nozdormu and formerly Malygos), a homicidal maniac (Deathwing and Malygos again) or favored one specific race over the others (Ysera with the Night Elves).
14th Jul '16 8:35:47 AM hullflyer
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** Horde-side, a similar case applies to Baine who called the Alliance's actions in the barrens, which included the massacre of the Stonespire tribe, justified, and exhiled anyone who disagreed.

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** Horde-side, a similar case applies to Baine who called the Alliance's actions in the barrens, which included the massacre of the Stonespire tribe, justified, and exhiled exiled anyone who disagreed.
14th Jul '16 8:33:19 AM hullflyer
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** In the Goblin starting area, the player takes part in a game of footbomb, a sport involving heavy machinery and high explosives. The coach wants to win the game [[RuleOfCool with style]], so he tells you to kick the bomb through two smoke stacks off in the distance. In the beta, the bomb falls into the nearby volcano, which causes it to erupt, which would've highlighted the Goblin's seftdestructive behaviour of decadence, lack of forethought and addiction to high explosives. In the final version, the quest does nothing more than have the player look up into the sky just as [[BigBad Deathwing]] appears.

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** In the Goblin starting area, the player takes part in a game of footbomb, a sport involving heavy machinery and high explosives. The coach wants to win the game [[RuleOfCool with style]], so he tells you to kick the bomb through two smoke stacks off in the distance. In the beta, the bomb falls into the nearby volcano, which causes it to erupt, which would've highlighted the Goblin's seftdestructive self-destructive behaviour of decadence, lack of forethought and addiction to high explosives. In the final version, the quest does nothing more than have the player look up into the sky just as [[BigBad Deathwing]] appears.
14th Jul '16 8:32:31 AM hullflyer
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** Also related to the Worgen is the starting zone in Cataclysm. After a good overall story, it just abrupbtly ends for Alliance players, forcing you to play a Horde character to explore it more. Even then, the zone's storyline has no ending, and Gilneas is left completely hanging. [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse What happened to Gilneas, Blizzard?]]

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** Also related to the Worgen is the starting zone in Cataclysm. After a good overall story, it just abrupbtly abruptly ends for Alliance players, forcing you to play a Horde character to explore it more. Even then, the zone's storyline has no ending, and Gilneas is left completely hanging. [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse What happened to Gilneas, Blizzard?]]
14th Jul '16 8:30:46 AM hullflyer
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*** The worst of this type is the Unborn Val'Kyr. It doesn't have a weather requirement, but you will wish it had that instead of how it does work. Specifically, it has only one or two spawn points in each zone in Northrend, only one shows up on the ''entire continent'' at a time, and it has a long, irregular spawn time. A nightmare for completists, and is mostly luck if you find and get one.

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*** The worst of this type is the Unborn Val'Kyr. It doesn't have a weather requirement, but you will wish it had that instead of how it does work. Specifically, it has only one or two spawn points in each zone in Northrend, only one shows up on the ''entire continent'' at a time, and it has a long, irregular spawn time. A nightmare for completists, and is it's mostly luck if you find and get one.
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