History YMMV / WorldOfWarcraft

11th Dec '17 7:39:15 PM Steam_Lord
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** First Arcanist Thalyssra in Suramar has been gaining popularity for her occasional bouts of [[GentlemanSnarker polite mockery]], being the leader of the Nightborne resistance against the Legion, [[MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch her awareness of and appreciation for the world outside Suramar]] as well as [[IronWoobie stoically bearing her plight while helping other Nightfallen, as well as the Withered, through theirs]]. She's also becoming like Alexstraza as another of World of Warcraft's unambiguously good female main characters that's also consistently well-written.

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** First Arcanist Thalyssra in Suramar has been gaining popularity for her occasional bouts of [[GentlemanSnarker polite mockery]], being the leader of the Nightborne resistance against the Legion, [[MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch her awareness of and appreciation for the world outside Suramar]] as well as [[IronWoobie stoically bearing her plight while helping other Nightfallen, as well as the Withered, through theirs]]. She's also becoming like Alexstraza as another of World of Warcraft's unambiguously good female main characters that's also consistently well-written. Until she shifts from neutral to Horde, working to kill half the people who helped her...
11th Dec '17 6:17:03 PM SkidTroper
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** First Arcanist Thalyssra in Suramar has been gaining popularity for her occasional bouts of [[GentlemanSnarker polite mockery]], being the leader of the Nightborne resistance against the Legion, [[MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch her awareness of and appreciation for the world outside Suramar]] as well as [[IronWoobie stoically bearing her plight while helping other Nightfallen, as well as the Withered, through theirs]]. She's also shaping up to be another of Blizzard's few well-written, prominent female good characters of World of Warcraft alongside Alexstraza.

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** First Arcanist Thalyssra in Suramar has been gaining popularity for her occasional bouts of [[GentlemanSnarker polite mockery]], being the leader of the Nightborne resistance against the Legion, [[MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch her awareness of and appreciation for the world outside Suramar]] as well as [[IronWoobie stoically bearing her plight while helping other Nightfallen, as well as the Withered, through theirs]]. She's also shaping up to be becoming like Alexstraza as another of Blizzard's few well-written, prominent female good characters of World of Warcraft alongside Alexstraza.Warcraft's unambiguously good female main characters that's also consistently well-written.
9th Dec '17 7:48:09 AM SkidTroper
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** Xe'ra is either a [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter wasted potential]] well-intentioned extremist ally [[spoiler: who was killed]] by [[TheFarmerAndTheViper the selfish magic addict she'd helped save]] or a controlling KnightTemplar who [[HoistByHisOwnPetard brought her fate upon herself]]. In a case of WatsonianVsDoylist, some despise her for shilling and whitewashing Illidan, others blame Blizzard for poorly writing regarding her actions and Illidan's story [[note]] Evidence for poor writing includes the retcons and how she chastises player characters of races and classes who, lorewise, weren't around at the time and so couldn't have been involved in Illidan's death, such as Death Knights or Worgen. [[/note]], and some blame both.

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** Xe'ra is either a [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter wasted potential]] well-intentioned extremist ally [[HeroOfAnotherStory with a deep past]] [[spoiler: who was killed]] by [[TheFarmerAndTheViper the selfish magic addict she'd helped she was trying to save]] (some fans have compared Xe'ra forcefully infusing Illidan with the Light to remove his fel magic to intervention and rehabilitation for a drug addict) or a [[MetaphoricallyTrue manipulative]], controlling KnightTemplar who [[HoistByHisOwnPetard brought her fate upon on herself]]. In a case of WatsonianVsDoylist, some despise her for shilling and whitewashing Illidan, others blame Blizzard for poorly writing regarding her actions and Illidan's story [[note]] Evidence for poor writing includes the retcons and how she chastises player characters of races and classes who, lorewise, weren't around at the time and so couldn't have been involved in Illidan's death, such as Death Knights or Worgen. [[/note]], and some blame both.
4th Dec '17 3:35:32 PM SkidTroper
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** Xe'ra is either a [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter wasted potential]] well-intentioned extremist ally [[spoiler: who was killed]] by [[TheFarmerAndTheViper the selfish magic addict she'd helped save]] or a controlling KnightTemplar who [[HoistByHisOwnPetard brought her fate upon herself]]. In a case of WatsonianVsDoylist, some despise her for shilling of Illidan on her, others blame Blizzard for poorly writing regarding her [[note]] The evidence for poor writing in how she chastises player characters of races and classes who, lorewise, weren't around at the time and so couldn't have been involved in Illidan's death, such as Death Knights or Worgen. [[/note]], and some blame both.

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** Xe'ra is either a [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter wasted potential]] well-intentioned extremist ally [[spoiler: who was killed]] by [[TheFarmerAndTheViper the selfish magic addict she'd helped save]] or a controlling KnightTemplar who [[HoistByHisOwnPetard brought her fate upon herself]]. In a case of WatsonianVsDoylist, some despise her for shilling of Illidan on her, and whitewashing Illidan, others blame Blizzard for poorly writing regarding her actions and Illidan's story [[note]] The evidence Evidence for poor writing in includes the retcons and how she chastises player characters of races and classes who, lorewise, weren't around at the time and so couldn't have been involved in Illidan's death, such as Death Knights or Worgen. [[/note]], and some blame both.



** The fanbase complained about long convoluted attunement quest chains and being unable to complete them because [[CantCatchUp nobody would lift a finger to help]]. Now that that's no longer required and you don't have to run a dozen dungeons (That nobody wants to do anymore) and hope your token actually drops so guilds will look in your general direction. Then they complained about how annoyingly hard the game was only now are complaining about "Casuals" taking over the game. (Don't try pointing out that there are in fact heroic and even ''mythic'' raids meant ''specifically'' for these "Core" players, or that they offer stronger gear and require much more coordination than Raid Finder - they're not listening.)

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** The fanbase complained about long convoluted attunement quest chains and being unable to complete them because [[CantCatchUp nobody would lift a finger to help]]. Now that that's no longer required and you don't have to run a dozen dungeons (That nobody wants to do anymore) and hope your token actually drops so guilds will look in your general direction. Then they some people who complained about how annoyingly hard the game was only now are complaining about "Casuals" taking over the game. (Don't try pointing out that there are in fact heroic and even ''mythic'' raids meant ''specifically'' for these "Core" players, or that they offer stronger gear and require much more coordination than Raid Finder - they're not listening.)
4th Dec '17 3:28:17 PM SkidTroper
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** Xe'ra is either a [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter wasted potential]] WellIntentionedExtremist [[TheFarmerAndTheViper killed by the selfish magic addict she'd helped save]] or a KnightTemplar [[HoistByHisOwnPetard who brought her fate at Illidan's hands upon herself]]. [[WatsonianVsDoylist Some blame her shilling of Illidan on her, others blame in on poor writing on Blizzard's part]].

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** Xe'ra is either a [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter wasted potential]] WellIntentionedExtremist well-intentioned extremist ally [[spoiler: who was killed]] by [[TheFarmerAndTheViper killed by the selfish magic addict she'd helped save]] or a controlling KnightTemplar who [[HoistByHisOwnPetard who brought her fate at Illidan's hands upon herself]]. [[WatsonianVsDoylist Some blame herself]]. In a case of WatsonianVsDoylist, some despise her for shilling of Illidan on her, others blame in on Blizzard for poorly writing regarding her [[note]] The evidence for poor writing on Blizzard's part]].in how she chastises player characters of races and classes who, lorewise, weren't around at the time and so couldn't have been involved in Illidan's death, such as Death Knights or Worgen. [[/note]], and some blame both.
4th Dec '17 3:20:41 PM SkidTroper
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** [[BaseBreakingCharacter Xe'ra's death to those who aren't her detractors]]. Apart from [[spoiler: replacing his Fel powers with the Light against his will, there is no evidence that Xe'ra infusing Illidan with the Light would've changed him, since they both had the same goal of ending the Burning Legion. The ExpandedUniverse reveals that Light infusion doesn't take away people's free will as seen in the purified Nathreziem Lothraxion, who argued against Xe'ra's decision to kill Alleria for keeping her Void powers. Also, given the corrupting nature of Fel, some fans don't see a problem with Xe'ra replacing Illidan's Fel with Light, just her doing it against his will. The issue is further compounded by MoralMyopia from some of Illidan's fans, [[MoralMyopia who have also whitewashed Illidan's actions and history themselves, but became Xe'ra's most vocal detractors when she did so]]. In-universe, not even Alleria (who Xe'ra had threatened to kill for using the Void and imprisoned) or Illidan (who actually killed her) expressed any satisfaction at Xe'ra's death, to say nothing about the reactions of [[BothSidesHaveAPoint Velen]] and [[RageBreakingPoint Turalyon]].]]

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** [[BaseBreakingCharacter Xe'ra's [[spoiler: Xe'ra's]] death to those who aren't her detractors]].detractors. Apart from [[spoiler: replacing his Fel powers with the Light against his will, there is no evidence that Xe'ra infusing Illidan with the Light would've changed him, since they both had the same goal of ending the Burning Legion. The ExpandedUniverse reveals that Light infusion doesn't take away people's free will as seen in the purified Nathreziem Lothraxion, who argued against Xe'ra's decision to kill Alleria for keeping her Void powers. Also, given the corrupting nature of Fel, some fans don't see a problem with Xe'ra replacing Illidan's Fel with Light, just her doing it against his will. The issue is further compounded by MoralMyopia from some of Illidan's fans, [[MoralMyopia who have also whitewashed Illidan's actions and history themselves, but became Xe'ra's most vocal detractors when she did so]]. In-universe, not even Alleria (who Xe'ra had threatened to kill for using the Void and imprisoned) or Illidan (who actually killed her) expressed any satisfaction at Xe'ra's death, to say nothing about the reactions of [[BothSidesHaveAPoint Velen]] and [[RageBreakingPoint Turalyon]].]]


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** Xe'ra is either a [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter wasted potential]] WellIntentionedExtremist [[TheFarmerAndTheViper killed by the selfish magic addict she'd helped save]] or a KnightTemplar [[HoistByHisOwnPetard who brought her fate at Illidan's hands upon herself]]. [[WatsonianVsDoylist Some blame her shilling of Illidan on her, others blame in on poor writing on Blizzard's part]].
3rd Dec '17 6:43:00 PM SkidTroper
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** [[spoiler:Rhonin]] in Literature/TidesOfWar, who died saving (then)-fan favorite Jaina and his wife Vereesa.
** [[spoiler: Xe'ra]] given her status as a BaseBreakingCharacter. Apart from [[spoiler: replacing his Fel powers with the Light against his will, there is no evidence that Xe'ra infusing Illidan with the Light would've changed him, since they both had the same goal of ending the Burning Legion. The ExpandedUniverse reveals that Light infusion doesn't take away people's free will as seen in the purified Nathreziem Lothraxion, who argued against Xe'ra's decision to kill Alleria for keeping her Void powers]]. Also, given the corruping nature of Fel, some fans don't see a problem with Xe'ra replacing Illidan's Fel with Light, just her doing it against his will. The issue is further compounded by the fact that [[MoralMyopia some of Illidan's fans have also whitewashing Illidan's actions and history, but have become Xe'ra's most vocal detractors when she did so]]. In-universe, not even [[spoiler: Alleria (who Xe'ra had threatened to kill for using the Void and imprisoned) or Illidan (who actually killed her) expressed any satisfaction at Xe'ra's death, to say nothing about the reactions of [[BothSidesHaveAPoint Velen]] and [[RageBreakingPoint Turalyon]].]]

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** [[spoiler:Rhonin]] Rhonin in Literature/TidesOfWar, who died saving (then)-fan favorite Jaina and his wife Vereesa.
** [[spoiler: Xe'ra]] given [[BaseBreakingCharacter Xe'ra's death to those who aren't her status as a BaseBreakingCharacter. detractors]]. Apart from [[spoiler: replacing his Fel powers with the Light against his will, there is no evidence that Xe'ra infusing Illidan with the Light would've changed him, since they both had the same goal of ending the Burning Legion. The ExpandedUniverse reveals that Light infusion doesn't take away people's free will as seen in the purified Nathreziem Lothraxion, who argued against Xe'ra's decision to kill Alleria for keeping her Void powers]]. powers. Also, given the corruping corrupting nature of Fel, some fans don't see a problem with Xe'ra replacing Illidan's Fel with Light, just her doing it against his will. The issue is further compounded by the fact that [[MoralMyopia MoralMyopia from some of Illidan's fans fans, [[MoralMyopia who have also whitewashing whitewashed Illidan's actions and history, history themselves, but have become became Xe'ra's most vocal detractors when she did so]]. so]]. In-universe, not even [[spoiler: Alleria (who Xe'ra had threatened to kill for using the Void and imprisoned) or Illidan (who actually killed her) expressed any satisfaction at Xe'ra's death, to say nothing about the reactions of [[BothSidesHaveAPoint Velen]] and [[RageBreakingPoint Turalyon]].]]



** X'era, the Naaru Prime. It's not bad at first, but as it gets further and further into the level 110 questline regarding Illidan that she's willing to look past all of the horrible things that Illidan has done (as you're seeing him commit them, mind) because she prophesized him as the chosen one who would save the universe. [[spoiler: This reaches a head in the last currently-unlocked part of the chain where she calls the Player Character a "dark, hateful monster" for killing Illidan in the Black Temple, ignoring his backstabbing, insanity, and genocidal campaign against all of Outland including the naaru and draenei of Shattrath. The entire fanbase more or less turned on the character for not just white-washing Illidan's morally gray past, but making ''the player'' out to be the bad guy in the situation for slaying him. Her status as universally hated may have been a key decision in Blizzard having her be KilledOffForReal in 7.3, by Illidan no less.]]

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** X'era, the Naaru Prime. It's not bad at first, but as it gets further and further into the level 110 questline regarding Illidan that she's willing to look past all of the horrible things that Illidan has done (as you're seeing him commit them, mind) because she prophesized him as the chosen one who would save the universe. [[spoiler: This reaches a head in the last currently-unlocked part of the chain where she calls the Player Character a "dark, hateful monster" for killing Illidan in the Black Temple, ignoring his backstabbing, insanity, and genocidal campaign against all of Outland including the naaru and draenei of Shattrath. The entire fanbase more or less turned on the character for not just white-washing Illidan's morally gray past, but making ''the player'' out to be the bad guy in the situation for slaying him. Her status as universally hated a BaseBreakingCharacter may have been a key decision in Blizzard having her be KilledOffForReal in 7.3, by Illidan no less.]]



** Xe'ra, the Naaru whose KnightTemplar behavior, nonsensical condemnation of the player-character and shilling of Illidan sparked theories that she was an agent of Legion or even Kil'jaedan in disguise (likely inspired by Illidan's in-universe theory born of his knowledge of the Legion's cunning and cynicism). [[spoiler: She is blown up by Illidan himself while trying to forcibly purify him against his will. The reaction to her death was also divisive in-universe; Velen thought both Illidan and Xe'ra were both wrong, Rammul had second thoughts about Illidan's help and Turalyon was outraged and attacked Illidan until Velen talked him out of it.]]

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** Xe'ra, the Naaru whose Xe'ra's death, according to her detractors. Her KnightTemplar behavior, nonsensical condemnation of the player-character and shilling of Illidan sparked theories that she was an agent of Legion or even Kil'jaedan in disguise (likely inspired by Illidan's in-universe Illidan considering the same theory in-universe, born of his knowledge of the Legion's cunning and his own cynicism). [[spoiler: She is blown up by Illidan himself while trying to forcibly purify him against his will. The reaction to her death was also divisive in-universe; Velen thought both Illidan and Xe'ra were both wrong, Rammul had second thoughts about Illidan's help and Turalyon was outraged and attacked Illidan until Velen talked him out of it.]]
3rd Dec '17 6:35:20 PM SkidTroper
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** [[spoiler: Xe'ra]] given her status as a BaseBreakingCharacter. Apart from [[spoiler: replacing his Fel powers with the Light against his will]], there is no evidence that Xe'ra infusing Illidan with the Light would've changed him, since they both had the same goal of ending the Burning Legion. The ExpandedUniverse reveals that Light infusion doesn't take away people's free will as seen in the purified Nathreziem Lothraxion, who argued against Xe'ra's decision to kill Alleria for keeping her Void powers]]. Also, given the corruping nature of Fel, some fans don't see a problem with Xe'ra replacing Illidan's Fel with Light, just her doing it against his will. The issue is further compounded by the fact that [[MoralMyopia some of Illidan's fans have also whitewashing Illidan's actions and history, but have become Xe'ra's most vocal detractors when she did so]]. In-universe, not even [[spoiler: Alleria (who Xe'ra had threatened to kill for using the Void and imprisoned) or Illidan (who actually killed her) expressed any satisfaction at her death, to say nothing about the reactions of [[BothSidesHaveAPoint Velen]] and [[RageBreakingPoint Turalyon]].]]

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** [[spoiler: Xe'ra]] given her status as a BaseBreakingCharacter. Apart from [[spoiler: replacing his Fel powers with the Light against his will]], will, there is no evidence that Xe'ra infusing Illidan with the Light would've changed him, since they both had the same goal of ending the Burning Legion. The ExpandedUniverse reveals that Light infusion doesn't take away people's free will as seen in the purified Nathreziem Lothraxion, who argued against Xe'ra's decision to kill Alleria for keeping her Void powers]]. Also, given the corruping nature of Fel, some fans don't see a problem with Xe'ra replacing Illidan's Fel with Light, just her doing it against his will. The issue is further compounded by the fact that [[MoralMyopia some of Illidan's fans have also whitewashing Illidan's actions and history, but have become Xe'ra's most vocal detractors when she did so]]. In-universe, not even [[spoiler: Alleria (who Xe'ra had threatened to kill for using the Void and imprisoned) or Illidan (who actually killed her) expressed any satisfaction at her Xe'ra's death, to say nothing about the reactions of [[BothSidesHaveAPoint Velen]] and [[RageBreakingPoint Turalyon]].]]
3rd Dec '17 6:34:01 PM SkidTroper
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** [[spoiler: Xe'ra]] to those who aren't her detractors. Apart from [[spoiler: replacing his Fel powers with the Light against his will]], there is no evidence that Xe'ra infusing Illidan with the Light would've changed him, since they both had the same goal of ending the Burning Legion and the ExpandedUniverse reveals that Light infusion doesn't take away people's free will as seen in [[spoiler: the purified Nathreziem Lothraxion, who aruged against Xe'ra's decision to kill Alleria for keeping her Void powers]]. Also, given the corruping nature of Fel, some fans don't see a problem with Xe'ra replacing Illidan's Fel with Light, just her doing it against his will. the issue is further compounded by the fact that [[MoralMyopia some of Illidan's fans also whitewashing Illidan, but have become Xe'ra's most vocal detractors when she did so]]. In-universe, not even [[spoiler: Alleria (who Xe'ra had threatened to kill for using the Void and imprisoned) or Illidan (who actually killed her) expressed any satisfaction at her death, to say nothing about the reactions of [[BothSidesHaveAPoint Velen]] and [[RageBreakingPoint Turalyon]].]]

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** [[spoiler: Xe'ra]] to those who aren't given her detractors. status as a BaseBreakingCharacter. Apart from [[spoiler: replacing his Fel powers with the Light against his will]], there is no evidence that Xe'ra infusing Illidan with the Light would've changed him, since they both had the same goal of ending the Burning Legion and the Legion. The ExpandedUniverse reveals that Light infusion doesn't take away people's free will as seen in [[spoiler: the purified Nathreziem Lothraxion, who aruged argued against Xe'ra's decision to kill Alleria for keeping her Void powers]]. Also, given the corruping nature of Fel, some fans don't see a problem with Xe'ra replacing Illidan's Fel with Light, just her doing it against his will. the The issue is further compounded by the fact that [[MoralMyopia some of Illidan's fans have also whitewashing Illidan, Illidan's actions and history, but have become Xe'ra's most vocal detractors when she did so]]. so]]. In-universe, not even [[spoiler: Alleria (who Xe'ra had threatened to kill for using the Void and imprisoned) or Illidan (who actually killed her) expressed any satisfaction at her death, to say nothing about the reactions of [[BothSidesHaveAPoint Velen]] and [[RageBreakingPoint Turalyon]].]]
3rd Dec '17 6:31:33 PM SkidTroper
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** [[spoiler: Xe'ra]] to those who aren't her detractors. Apart from [[spoiler: replacing his Fel powers with the Light against his will]], there is no evidence that Xe'ra infusing Illidan with the Light would've changed him, since they both had the same goal of ending the Burning Legion and the ExpandedUniverse reveals that Light infusion doesn't take away people's free will as seen in [[spoiler: the purified Nathreziem Lothraxion, who aruged against Xe'ra's decision to kill Alleria for keeping her Void powers]]. Also, given the corruping nature of Fel, some fans don't see a problem with Xe'ra replacing Illidan's Fel with Light, just her doing it against his will. the issue is further compounded by the fact that [[MoralMyopia some of Illidan's fans also whitewashing Illidan, but have become Xe'ra's most vocal detractors when she did so]]. In-universe, not even [[spoiler: Alleria (who Xe'ra had threatened to kill for using the Void and imprisoned) or Illidan (who actually killed her) expressed any satisfaction at her death, to say nothing about the reactions of [[BothSidesHaveAPoint Velen]] and [[RageBreakingPoint Turalyon]].]]



** Xe'ra, the Naaru whose KnightTemplar behaviour, nonsensical condemnation of the player-character and shilling of Illidan sparked theories that she was an agent of Legion or even Kil'jaedan in disguise, [[spoiler:is blown up by Illidan himself while abandoning the moral high ground so hard even ''Velen'' is cool with it.]]

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** Xe'ra, the Naaru whose KnightTemplar behaviour, behavior, nonsensical condemnation of the player-character and shilling of Illidan sparked theories that she was an agent of Legion or even Kil'jaedan in disguise, [[spoiler:is disguise (likely inspired by Illidan's in-universe theory born of his knowledge of the Legion's cunning and cynicism). [[spoiler: She is blown up by Illidan himself while abandoning the moral high ground so hard even ''Velen'' is cool with trying to forcibly purify him against his will. The reaction to her death was also divisive in-universe; Velen thought both Illidan and Xe'ra were both wrong, Rammul had second thoughts about Illidan's help and Turalyon was outraged and attacked Illidan until Velen talked him out of it.]]
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