History YMMV / WorldOfWarcraft

9th Dec '16 2:55:44 PM Retloclive
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** Nowadays, old-content has become such a breeze to level through due to it constantly being nerfed so that players can get to the newest expansion content quicker to the point that there's no sense of danger anymore at low level. Back in the day when it was considered dangerous to pull one or two extra mobs, players can now pull up to seven or eight before it starts to feel like the player might actually die. As a result, some people often get bored trying to level fresh characters from level 1 because the world mobs are so weak, and never pose any threat. This applies to the low-level dungeons as well.

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** Nowadays, old-content Leveling up fresh characters from Level 1. Old-content has become such a breeze to level through due to it constantly being nerfed so that players can get to the newest expansion content quicker to the point that there's no sense of danger anymore at low level. Back in the day when it was considered dangerous to pull one or two extra mobs, players can now pull up to seven or eight before it starts to feel like the player might actually die. As a result, some people often get bored trying to level fresh characters from level 1 because the world mobs are so weak, and never pose any threat. This applies to the low-level dungeons as well.
9th Dec '16 2:52:10 PM Retloclive
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* ItsEasySoItSucks: Some people said this about ''Wrath of the Lich King'' and, to a lesser extent, ''Cataclysm'', claiming that getting gear for raids had become too easy and this enabled less competent players who would never have been able to raid before to participate. Others, however, believed that [[GrowingTheBeard this was an improvement over the grinding required to raid in vanilla and]] ''[[GrowingTheBeard Burning Crusade]]''.
** Of course, one rather funny thing is that people said heroics in ''Wrath'' were too easy...when most of the people saying this were decked out in top-of-the-line raiding gear, and with only a few exceptions (Namely Black Morass), the same thing that happened to ''Wrath'''s "Easy heroics" happened there. Even in 2011, people said that the "heroics" were "dumbed down" when, again, [[FacePalm they were once again all decked out in raiding gear that made them significantly overgeared for the simple heroics]]. This also isn't taking into consideration that several instances ''still'' require coordination and crowd control.

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Some people said this about ''Wrath of the Lich King'' and, to a lesser extent, ''Cataclysm'', claiming that getting gear for raids had become too easy and this enabled less competent players who would never have been able to raid before to participate. Others, however, believed that [[GrowingTheBeard this was an improvement over the grinding required to raid in vanilla and]] ''[[GrowingTheBeard Burning Crusade]]''.
** *** Of course, one rather funny thing is that people said heroics in ''Wrath'' were too easy...when most of the people saying this were decked out in top-of-the-line raiding gear, and with only a few exceptions (Namely Black Morass), the same thing that happened to ''Wrath'''s "Easy heroics" happened there. Even in 2011, people said that the "heroics" were "dumbed down" when, again, [[FacePalm they were once again all decked out in raiding gear that made them significantly overgeared for the simple heroics]]. This also isn't taking into consideration that several instances ''still'' require coordination and crowd control.


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** Nowadays, old-content has become such a breeze to level through due to it constantly being nerfed so that players can get to the newest expansion content quicker to the point that there's no sense of danger anymore at low level. Back in the day when it was considered dangerous to pull one or two extra mobs, players can now pull up to seven or eight before it starts to feel like the player might actually die. As a result, some people often get bored trying to level fresh characters from level 1 because the world mobs are so weak, and never pose any threat. This applies to the low-level dungeons as well.
24th Nov '16 4:40:12 PM shatterstar
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** Another example would be [[ToyShip Wrathion/Anduin]]. Even some Blizzard employees ship them to the point that the writer of 'War Crimes' has to confirm that they're just "Good friends". [[spoiler:Blizzard just adds fuel to the fire during ''Legion'' and ''[[Franchise/WarcraftExpandedUniverse Wolfheart]]'' by keeping it ambiguous whether or not he got married despite being the King of Stormwind]].

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** Another example would be [[ToyShip Wrathion/Anduin]]. Even some Blizzard employees ship them to the point that the writer of 'War Crimes' ''Literature/WarCrimes'' has to confirm that they're just "Good friends". [[spoiler:Blizzard just adds fuel to the fire during ''Legion'' and ''[[Franchise/WarcraftExpandedUniverse Wolfheart]]'' by keeping it ambiguous whether or not he the latter got married despite being the King of Stormwind]].
24th Nov '16 1:28:34 PM Valiona
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** Ashran in Warlords of Draenor is widely disliked due to the poor writing, questionable design, and the fact that it's the only new battleground in the expansion, which leads [=PVPers=] to dislike the expansion as a whole.
** Trial of the Crusader has only six bosses and no trash mobs. The latter would seem like a welcome change of pace, considering that some raids get criticism for long, boring or [[BossInMookClothing difficult]] trash, but it means that there's no world drops or normal encounters to break up the boss fights, and makes the raid even shorter, making it hardly worthy of a raid tier on its own. While some of the less popular raids have their fan bases, almost no one likes [=TotC=].
23rd Nov '16 10:09:39 PM Taxima
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** Xal'atath, the Shadow Priest Artifact Weapon, has received the nickname "Knaifu". A {{Portmanteau}} of "Knife" and "Waifu", or a fictional character you would want to date or marry. Presumably fans who use this nickname are ArousedByTheirVoice.
23rd Nov '16 1:02:01 PM cricri3007
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** As controversial as the [=BlizzCon=] lesbian was, Corpse Grinder George, a guest of Blizzard at again, 2011. The original interview (edited when released, thank goodness) was seven solid minutes of homophobic hate speech and endorsement of violence with ample use [[ClusterFBomb of the F-word.]] Why they promoted George in the first place (rather than kicked out on his rear) caused outcry unlike Blizzard had ''ever'' seen before or since, causing them to make a public apology.

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** As controversial as the [=BlizzCon=] lesbian was, Corpse Grinder George, a guest of Blizzard at again, 2011. The original interview (edited when released, thank goodness) was seven solid minutes of homophobic hate speech and endorsement of violence with ample use [[ClusterFBomb of the F-word.]] F-word]] directed at Alliance players. Why they promoted George in the first place (rather than kicked out on his rear) caused outcry unlike Blizzard had ''ever'' seen before or since, causing them to make a public apology.
23rd Nov '16 8:05:56 AM Austin
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* UselessAccessory: In an underwater area like Vashj'ir, a diving helmet and breathing apparatus would be a must, unless you're a shaman with a [[SuperNotDrowningSkills breathing buff]], or receive a buff like the one you get in your first quest in the area. The "Great" Sambino adds a layer of stupid on top in that he deliberately [[TooDumbToLive didn't learn water breathing]] because he likes his custom made helmet instead, which bites him in the ass when his helmet gets a leak and you need to retrieve a replacement part and a fresh air supply for him.
--> '''The Great Sambino''': If only those water breathing spells came with stylish helmets!
20th Nov '16 7:02:40 PM tdwally
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** Lead quest designer Dave "Fargo" Kosak's pet seems to be Sylvanas Windrunner. From ''Cataclysm'' on, she takes an active role in her quest for world domination, which by itself wasn't the issue. The problem fans saw was that no matter what she did, she always won. The revamped quest lines involved the Forsaken basically destroying every and all Alliance forces in Lordaeron, they won the Battle of Andorhal, after losing most of it, at the last minute because Sylvanas brought in Val'kyr. They killed the Prince of Stromgarde and now have a strong foothold in the Arathi Highlands (while the Alliance remain in unaltered hole). The real [[BrokenBase point of contention]] is that the Forsaken had the end of the Worgen storyline (in Silverpine) instead of the actual Worgen players (who were merged with the night elves). Her methods of victory is always "Throw plague at it, raise the remains," [[EvenEvilHasStandards an action many, including Garrosh, call her out on]]. And she has suffered literally no consequences, the only one really being that Lor'themar distancing the blood elves from the Forsaken, and even that doesn't count for much because by this point nothing has been seen to actually work on Sylvanas so it's unlikely she even needs the blood elves (who needed her support to keep the Scourge in the Plaguelands away from Silvermoon). Even worse, the patch leading up to ''Legion'' reveals [[spoiler: Vol'jin was killed off and with his dying words appointed Sylvanas Warchief of the Horde. To add insult to injury Vol'jin died after only one expansion as Warchief [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter without any significant contributions]], his decision was made after one PetTheDog moment from Sylvanas ([[PragmaticVillainy that benefited Sylvanas as well]]), Sylvanas was chosen over better candidates such as [[EnsembleDarkhorse Varok Saurfang]] despite Vol'jin stating he never trusted her and there wasn't a word of disagreement from two faction leaders who disliked Sylvanas ([[BewareTheNiceOnes Baine]] and [[TheMenFirst Lor'themar]]). Vol'jin stating that "...many would not understand" [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall seems to imply]] that [[DearNegativeReader the writers knew some of the fanbase would not react well to Sylvanas being Warchief]].]]

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** Lead quest designer Dave "Fargo" Kosak's pet seems to be Sylvanas Windrunner. From ''Cataclysm'' on, she takes an active role in begins using increasingly immoral means to accomplish her quest for world domination, which by itself wasn't goals.[[note]] Which depending on who ask are ensuring the issue. The problem fans saw was that no matter what she did, she always won. The revamped quest lines involved the Forsaken basically destroying every Forsaken's security and all Alliance forces in Lordaeron, they won the Battle of Andorhal, after losing most of it, at the last minute because Sylvanas brought in Val'kyr. They killed the Prince of Stromgarde and now have a strong foothold prosperity or just increasing her own power.[[/note]] She never really experiences much in the Arathi Highlands (while way of defeats and the Alliance remain in unaltered hole). The real [[BrokenBase point setbacks she does experience are easily overcome. And despite her recent track record of contention]] is that forcibly raising the Forsaken had dead to serve her, using the end of the Worgen storyline (in Silverpine) instead of the actual Worgen players (who were merged with the night elves). Her methods of victory is always "Throw plague at it, raise whenever she encounters resistance, and clearly not feeling a shred of remorse for the remains," [[EvenEvilHasStandards an action many, including Garrosh, call her out on]]. And lives she has suffered literally no consequences, the only one really being that Lor'themar distancing the blood elves from the Forsaken, and even that doesn't count for much because by this point nothing has been seen to actually work on Sylvanas so it's unlikely she even needs the blood elves (who needed her support to keep the Scourge ended or ruined, in the Plaguelands away from Silvermoon). Even worse, the patch leading up to ''Legion'' reveals [[spoiler: Vol'jin was killed off and with his dying words appointed Sylvanas [[spoiler:she's named the Warchief of the Horde. To add insult to injury Horde over several better candidates. Vol'jin died even hangs a lampshade on how many won't understand why she deserves even more authority and power after only one expansion as Warchief [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter without any significant contributions]], his decision was made after one PetTheDog moment from Sylvanas ([[PragmaticVillainy that benefited Sylvanas as well]]), Sylvanas was chosen over better candidates such as [[EnsembleDarkhorse Varok Saurfang]] despite Vol'jin stating he never trusted her and there wasn't a word of disagreement from two faction leaders who disliked Sylvanas ([[BewareTheNiceOnes Baine]] and [[TheMenFirst Lor'themar]]). Vol'jin stating that "...many would not understand" [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall seems to imply]] that [[DearNegativeReader the writers knew some of the fanbase would not react well to Sylvanas being Warchief]].everything she's done.]]



** Varian Wrynn ever since Cataclysm. Back in Wrath, he was portrayed as an impulsive hothead who would rather let an Old God overrun a continent than work with the Horde, and tried reigniting a world war in the middle of the Undercity by attacking ''Thrall.'' One expansion and a rather coldly recieved book (Wolfheart) later, and he's basically one of the most measured and respected world leaders (in-game) there is, and suddenly the whole Alliance revolves around him. People on both sides were not pleased. [[WeWantOurJerkBack And they still aren't]]. For context's sake, he told off Tyrande, the Night Elf leader with ten thousand years of combat experience, and came up with a better battle strategy on the spot. He has also been coronated as High King of the Alliance, basically overriding all other leaders in the faction while far too many of them extoll his virtues baselessly. Probably the worst example comes from the book Wolfheart though, where Varian wins a battle and the loyalty of the entire nation of Gineas by essentially being shown as the avatar of Goldrinn (Lo'gosh), the wolf ancient. Not only does this make him the vessel of a demigod, it also happens to be a demigod that has almost nothing to do with his race. [[spoiler:Then he dies in ''Legion'' in perhaps the [[DyingMomentOfAwesome most epic way he could have gone out]] just to cement it, though most players would argue that's hardly a bad thing]].

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** Varian Wrynn ever since Cataclysm. Back in Wrath, he was portrayed as an impulsive hothead who would rather let an Old God overrun a continent than work with the Horde, and tried reigniting a world war in the middle of the Undercity by attacking ''Thrall.'' One expansion and a rather coldly recieved book (Wolfheart) later, and he's basically one of the most measured and respected world leaders (in-game) there is, and suddenly the whole Alliance revolves around him. People on both sides were not pleased. [[WeWantOurJerkBack And they still aren't]]. For context's sake, he told off Tyrande, the Night Elf leader with ten thousand years of combat experience, and came up with a better battle strategy on the spot. He has also been coronated as High King of the Alliance, basically overriding all other leaders in the faction while far too many of them extoll his virtues baselessly. Probably the worst example comes from the book Wolfheart though, where Varian wins a battle and the loyalty of the entire nation of Gineas by essentially being shown as the avatar of Goldrinn (Lo'gosh), the wolf ancient. Not only does this make him the vessel of a demigod, it also happens to be a demigod that has almost nothing to do with his race. [[spoiler:Then he dies in ''Legion'' in perhaps the [[DyingMomentOfAwesome most epic way he could have gone out]] just to cement it, though most players would argue that's hardly a bad thing]].



* DesignatedMonkey: Tyrande Whisperwind suffered from this as the expansions progressed, at least in the eyes of some Alliance players. This is because she get increasingly [[{{Flanderization}} flanderized]] and [[{{Chickification}} chickified]] when she's not being kept OutOfFocus (though Gelbin's out of focus more than Tyrande, his character hasn't taken the hits hers has). In the novel 'War Crimes' several of her witnesses turn against her, and much of the book reads like a who's who of Warcraft characters lining up to criticize her. Also no one in-universe brings up or seems to care that Tyrande too has been hurt by the Horde; they regularly assaulted her realm, slaughtered her people in skirmishes, ravaged her land and killed a demigod she revered. Hopefully the expansion 'World of Warcraft; Legion' does something [[LetsGetDangerous go]][[ADayInTheLimelight od]] for her rather than something bad like turning her into a DisposableWoman.
** Well, on the one hand, [[spoiler: she has to help kill a corrupted Ysera in Legion, and Cenarius is corrupted by the Nightmare]], but on the other, [[spoiler:adventurers save Malfurion from getting corrupted, and Cenarius gets the corruption beaten out of him in a raid]], so perhaps it evens out a bit.

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* DesignatedMonkey: Tyrande Whisperwind suffered from this as the expansions progressed, at least in the eyes of some Alliance players. This is because she get increasingly [[{{Flanderization}} flanderized]] and [[{{Chickification}} chickified]] when she's not being kept OutOfFocus (though Gelbin's out of focus OutOfFocus. Thankfully ''Legion'' provides her with some much needed action and portrays her in a much more than Tyrande, his character hasn't taken the hits hers has). In the novel 'War Crimes' several of her witnesses turn against her, and much of the book reads like a who's who of Warcraft characters lining up to criticize her. Also no one in-universe brings up or seems to care that Tyrande too has been hurt by the Horde; they regularly assaulted her realm, slaughtered her people in skirmishes, ravaged her land and killed a demigod she revered. Hopefully the expansion 'World of Warcraft; Legion' does something [[LetsGetDangerous go]][[ADayInTheLimelight od]] for her rather than something bad like turning her into a DisposableWoman.
** Well, on the one hand, [[spoiler: she has to help kill a corrupted Ysera in Legion, and Cenarius is corrupted by the Nightmare]], but on the other, [[spoiler:adventurers save Malfurion from getting corrupted, and Cenarius gets the corruption beaten out of him in a raid]], so perhaps it evens out a bit.
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** Garrosh. He was hated by many players when he appeared in [=WotLK=] but he later appeared sympathetic early on in Cataclysm in scenes such as despairing over Magatha's poisoning of Cairne, publicly executing a Horde general that bombed an Alliance village full of innocent people (by dropping him off a cliff), and telling Sylvanas off for using the val'kyr to raise more Forsaken, saying she is going against nature and is no better than the Lich King. However, due to much of the early backlash, he was established as a full on villain in ''Mists of Pandaria'' with the goal of killing anyone that wasn't an orc and loyal to him. As with Kael, many lost sympathy for him at that point, and tended to focus on his more sympathetic characterization during Cataclysm, through you can still find players claiming he's the best Warchief the Horde has had even when he became a full-on villain.
*** Reached truly spectacular levels during Warlords of Draenor, since after Garrosh's death, a surprisingly large segment of the playerbase pinned almost every single one of his screw ups at Thrall's feet. [[spoiler: Of course, the same people praising Garrosh and basically dumping ALL of his screw-ups on Thrall's feet conveniently forget that while Thrall appointed Garrosh as Warchief without him being ready for it, he also placed lots of veteran advisers to help and guide him in the role. Advisers that Garrosh proceeded to ignore, treat like shit, systematically alienate, assassinate, and attempt to assassinate via more cowardly ways (Poisoned dagger to the back, UriahGambit, etc). He then replaced these advisers with yes-men that supported all of his ideas and decisions, no matter how poorly thought out or self-defeating they were (see Twilight Highlands intro), and when his poor leadership abilities failed him, [[NeverMyFault he blamed everyone but himself]], first pinning the blame [[FantasticRacism on the non-Orc elements of the Horde]] leading to the creation of his "True Horde" (Orcs only) and then when his "True Horde" was defeated, pinning the blame on warlock corruption, leading to the creation of his "Iron Horde" (Non-corrupted orcs only) and then when his uncorrupted Iron Horde was defeated blaming ''Thrall'' of all people for his failures. [[UngratefulBastard The very man who lifted him up from the brink of despair, redeemed the image of his father, fixed his broken self-esteem, and gave him everything he ever had.]] DracoInLeatherPants at its finest, folks. ]]

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** Garrosh. He was hated by many players when he appeared in [=WotLK=] but he later appeared sympathetic early on in Cataclysm in scenes such as despairing over Magatha's poisoning of Cairne, publicly executing a Horde general that bombed an Alliance village full of innocent people (by dropping him off a cliff), and telling Sylvanas off for using the val'kyr to raise more Forsaken, saying she is going against nature and is no better than the Lich King. However, due to much of the early backlash, he was established as a full on villain in ''Mists of Pandaria'' with the goal of killing anyone that wasn't an orc and loyal to him. As with Kael, many lost sympathy for him at that point, and tended to focus on his more sympathetic characterization during Cataclysm, through you can still find players claiming he's the best Warchief the Horde has had even when he became a full-on villain. \n*** Reached truly spectacular levels during Warlords His death in ''Warlords of Draenor, since after Garrosh's death, a surprisingly large segment of the playerbase pinned almost every single one of his screw ups at Thrall's feet. [[spoiler: Of course, the same people praising Garrosh and basically dumping ALL of his screw-ups on Thrall's feet conveniently forget that while Thrall appointed Garrosh as Warchief without him being ready for it, he also placed lots of veteran advisers to help and guide him in the role. Advisers that Garrosh proceeded to ignore, treat like shit, systematically alienate, assassinate, and attempt to assassinate via more cowardly ways (Poisoned dagger Draenor'' only added fuel to the back, UriahGambit, etc). He then replaced these advisers fire with yes-men that supported his NeverMyFault speech laying all of his ideas and decisions, no matter how poorly thought out or self-defeating they were (see Twilight Highlands intro), and when his poor leadership abilities failed him, [[NeverMyFault he blamed everyone but himself]], first pinning the blame [[FantasticRacism on the non-Orc elements of the Horde]] leading to the creation of his "True Horde" (Orcs only) and then when his "True Horde" was defeated, pinning the blame on warlock corruption, leading to the creation of his "Iron Horde" (Non-corrupted orcs only) and then when his uncorrupted Iron Horde was defeated blaming ''Thrall'' of all people for his failures. [[UngratefulBastard The very man who lifted him up from actions at the brink feet of despair, redeemed the image of his father, fixed his broken self-esteem, [[TheScrappy Thrall]] and gave him has [[VillainHasAPoint just enough truth in it]] that some fans were happy to blame Thrall for everything he ever had.]] DracoInLeatherPants at its finest, folks. ]]did.



* FridgeHorror: One of Cataclysm's new professions is Archaeology, which lets you dig up artifacts from dig sites around the world. While most sites are ruins, one such site is the Ancestral Burial Grounds in Nagrand. You know, one of the most revered sites to the Orc race, where High Overlord Saurfang promised to place his son's body after his death in Icecrown, a likely resting place of Thrall's ancestors and even your own if you play an Orc. As an Orc, you're digging up your own ancestors' graves for VendorTrash and skillups. However, as a dissenting view - the only archaeological sites humans dig up are humans'.
16th Nov '16 5:25:41 AM Taxima
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* ParanoiaFuel: In the newest version of the Blackfathom Depths dungeon, the Old Gods themselves talk to the players about the futility of their actions. After clearing the final boss of the dungeon, the Old Gods give you a parting message.
-->'''The Old Gods''': Savor this small victory, mortals. [[TheCorruption Now that you have heard our whispers,]] [[FaceHeelTurn it is only a matter of time until you belong to us.]]
14th Nov '16 5:59:51 PM ChrisX
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** In combination with MemeticMutation and AscendedMeme... well, LeeroyJenkins was supposed to be an one-note unofficial joke, never to be any relevant again aside of [[AscendedMeme a few gratuitous cameos to acknowledge the meme he brought in]]. However, he still remains one of the most recognizable names in ''World of Warcraft'' and one of the things that constantly made people smile and laugh in spite of just being a JokeCharacter in the wake of how many times [[BrokenBase the game's base keeps getting shattered]]. In addition, his status as actually being a LethalJokeCharacter in ''Hearthstone'' boosts his popularity. Some people even think that he's actually the true hero of Warcraft and questions if Blizzard misses out the proper chance to refer to him.

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** In combination with MemeticMutation and AscendedMeme... well, LeeroyJenkins was supposed to be an one-note unofficial joke, never to be any relevant again aside of [[AscendedMeme a few gratuitous cameos to acknowledge the meme he brought in]]. However, he still remains one of the most recognizable names in ''World of Warcraft'' and one of the things that constantly made people smile and laugh in spite of just being a JokeCharacter in the wake of how many times [[BrokenBase the game's base keeps getting shattered]].shattered]] (if anyone's mad at him, it's mostly general people who are tired of memes). In addition, his status as actually being a LethalJokeCharacter in ''Hearthstone'' boosts his popularity. Some people even think that he's actually the true hero of Warcraft and questions if Blizzard misses out the proper chance to refer to him.
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