History YMMV / WorldOfMana

13th Dec '15 7:21:35 PM GastonRabbit
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** While it takes longer, Magic spamming (particularly once you get Luna) is similarly game breaking in ''VideoGame/SecretOfMana''. Even more so than ''Seiken Densetsu 3'', considering the fact that the spell animations freeze the enemy in place, so casting with the right rhythm can allow the Sprite to kill any enemy before they can move.
*** ''VideoGame/SecretOfMana'' has a damage cap of 999. By the time you can actually reach that with spells, most bosses will have 3000+ HP, but then again, only two bosses in the entire game have over 5000HP. Also if you leveled up spells to "Level 9" (8:99), if you invoke a Level 9 animation, you effectively can't spam anymore.
*** Killing a boss in 4-6 hits is pretty dang game breaking. The level 9 animations slow down the magic spam but don't change the fact that the boss is being killed in 4-6 hits.
*** There's also the Sword Orb bug in ''VideoGame/SecretOfMana'' that you can exploit as soon as you get reliable means of transportation. If you exploit long enough, gives you a sword that can pretty much kill enemies in two hits, at most.

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** While it takes longer, Magic spamming (particularly once you get Luna) is similarly game breaking in ''VideoGame/SecretOfMana''. Even more so than ''Seiken Densetsu 3'', considering the fact that the spell animations freeze the enemy in place, so casting with the right rhythm can allow the Sprite to kill any enemy before they it can move.
*** ** ''VideoGame/SecretOfMana'' has a damage cap of 999. By the time you can actually reach that with spells, most bosses will have 3000+ HP, but then again, only two bosses in the entire game have over 5000HP. Also if you leveled up spells to "Level 9" (8:99), if you invoke a Level 9 animation, you effectively can't spam anymore.
*** ** Killing a boss in 4-6 hits is pretty dang game breaking. The level 9 animations slow down the magic spam but don't change the fact that the boss is being killed in 4-6 hits.
*** ** There's also the Sword Orb bug in ''VideoGame/SecretOfMana'' that you can exploit as soon as you get reliable means of transportation. If you exploit long enough, gives you a sword that can pretty much kill enemies in two hits, at most.



** [[spoiler: The Big Bad killing your ExpositionFairy]] in ''VideoGame/SeikenDensetsu3''.

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** [[spoiler: The Big Bad [[spoiler:The BigBad killing your ExpositionFairy]] in ''VideoGame/SeikenDensetsu3''.



** For an 8-bit game that came out in a time where Nintendo heavily censored most games, ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyAdventure'' has a '''lot''' of tragic [[PlotlineDeath Plotline Deaths]]. Naturally carries over in the remake ''VideoGame/SwordOfMana'' as well.

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** For an 8-bit game that came out in a time where when Nintendo heavily censored most games, ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyAdventure'' has a '''lot''' of tragic [[PlotlineDeath Plotline Deaths]].{{Plotline Death}}s. Naturally carries over in the remake ''VideoGame/SwordOfMana'' as well.



* SequelGap: [[VideoGame/DawnOfMana Seiken Densetsu 4]] was the first numbered game in the series in 11 years since VideoGame/SeikenDensetsu3. This isn't noticeable in the overseas ports since they exclusively used the [[IdiosyncraticEpisodeNaming idiosyncratic]] -Of Mana
* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: ''Seiken Densetsu 2'' (''VideoGame/SecretOfMana'') and ''3'' were both vast improvements over their predecessors. (''Seiken Densetsu'' was first released in the US as the underwhelming ''Final Fantasy Adventure'')

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* SequelGap: [[VideoGame/DawnOfMana ''[[VideoGame/DawnOfMana Seiken Densetsu 4]] 4]]'' was the first numbered game in the series in 11 years since VideoGame/SeikenDensetsu3. This isn't noticeable in the overseas ports localizations, since they exclusively used the [[IdiosyncraticEpisodeNaming idiosyncratic]] -Of Mana
''[Word] of Mana'' naming scheme established with the second game.
* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: ''Seiken Densetsu 2'' (''VideoGame/SecretOfMana'') and ''3'' were both vast improvements over their predecessors. (''Seiken Densetsu'' was first released in the US as the underwhelming ''Final Fantasy Adventure'')Adventure''.)



** ''VideoGame/LegendOfMana'' also has the two Tropicallo fights where you can't attack it directly but can only take off a portion of its HP every time you defeat one of its tentacles. One casts magic at you nonstop unless you knock it off its perch, in which case it self destructs and takes a massive chunk of your HP, and the other attacks aggressively. Both continually respawn until the Tropicallo dies.
** ''VideoGame/SeikenDensetsu3'' had the second fight against the Bill and Ben, two ninjas who will always counter any spell (and {{Limit Break}}s count as spells) with their ninjitsu.
* {{Vaporware}} - ''Seiken Densetsu: The Emergence of Excalibur'' was a Famicom Disk System game that started development in 1987. Its goals were too big for its britches, and the game collapsed under its own weight. A completely unrelated title named ''Gemma Knights'' was then renamed and released on the Game Boy as the series-starting game we're all familiar with; the creators thought the name Seiken Densetsu was too slick of a trademark to lose. More info can be found [[http://www.lostlevels.org/200311/200311-square.shtml here]].

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** ''VideoGame/LegendOfMana'' also has the two Tropicallo fights where fights, during which you can't attack it directly but can only take off a portion of its HP every time you defeat one of its tentacles. One casts magic at you nonstop unless you knock it off its perch, in which case it self destructs and takes a massive chunk of your HP, and the other attacks aggressively. Both continually respawn until the Tropicallo dies.
** ''VideoGame/SeikenDensetsu3'' had the second fight against the Bill and Ben, two ninjas who will always counter any spell (and {{Limit Break}}s count as spells) with their ninjitsu.
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* {{Vaporware}} - {{Vaporware}}: ''Seiken Densetsu: The Emergence of Excalibur'' was a Famicom Disk System game that started development in 1987. Its goals were too big for its britches, and the game collapsed under its own weight. A completely unrelated title named ''Gemma Knights'' was then renamed and released on the Game Boy as the series-starting game we're all familiar with; the creators thought the name Seiken Densetsu was too slick of a trademark to lose. More info can be found [[http://www.lostlevels.org/200311/200311-square.shtml here]].
7th Jun '15 6:13:06 AM Prfnoff
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** For an 8-bit game that came out in a time where Nintendo heavily censored most games, FinalFantasyAdventure has a '''lot''' of tragic [[PlotlineDeath Plotline Deaths]]. Naturally carries over in the remake ''SwordOfMana'' as well.
** [[spoiler:The death of the Mana tree just after finding out she was your mother]] in ''Secret of Mana''. Also just about anything involving Purim (the female player character) and Dyluck.

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** For an 8-bit game that came out in a time where Nintendo heavily censored most games, FinalFantasyAdventure ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyAdventure'' has a '''lot''' of tragic [[PlotlineDeath Plotline Deaths]]. Naturally carries over in the remake ''SwordOfMana'' ''VideoGame/SwordOfMana'' as well.
** [[spoiler:The death of the Mana tree just after finding out she was your mother]] in ''Secret of Mana''.''VideoGame/SecretOfMana''. Also just about anything involving Purim (the female player character) and Dyluck.
14th Dec '14 8:45:37 PM dotchan
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* GameBreaker: Magic spamming in ''Seiken Densetsu 3''. Also, the Kevin bug.

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* GameBreaker: Magic spamming in ''Seiken Densetsu 3''. Also, the Kevin bug.bug allows Kevin to shoot to absurd levels of strength if he transforms into a beastman at exactly the right moment.
9th Sep '14 8:57:15 AM dotchan
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* SequelGap: [[VideoGame/DawnOfMana Seiken Densetsu 4]] was the first numbered game in the series in 11 years since VideoGame/SeikenDensetsu3. This isn't noticeable in the overseas ports since they exclusively used the [[IdiosyncraticEpisodeNaming idiosyncratic]] -Of Mana



** ''VideoGame/SeikenDensetsu3'' had the second fight against the Two Ninjas in the desert.

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** ''VideoGame/SeikenDensetsu3'' had the second fight against the Two Ninjas Bill and Ben, two ninjas who will always counter any spell (and {{Limit Break}}s count as spells) with their ninjitsu.
* {{Vaporware}} - ''Seiken Densetsu: The Emergence of Excalibur'' was a Famicom Disk System game that started development
in 1987. Its goals were too big for its britches, and the desert.game collapsed under its own weight. A completely unrelated title named ''Gemma Knights'' was then renamed and released on the Game Boy as the series-starting game we're all familiar with; the creators thought the name Seiken Densetsu was too slick of a trademark to lose. More info can be found [[http://www.lostlevels.org/200311/200311-square.shtml here]].
20th Aug '14 1:47:39 PM Silverblade2
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* GameBreaker - Magic spamming in ''Seiken Densetsu 3''. Also, the Kevin bug.

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* GameBreaker - GameBreaker: Magic spamming in ''Seiken Densetsu 3''. Also, the Kevin bug.



* PlayerPunch - Some parts of some games are so depressing it hurts the psyche:

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* PlayerPunch - PlayerPunch: Some parts of some games are so depressing it hurts the psyche:



* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel - ''Seiken Densetsu 2'' (''VideoGame/SecretOfMana'') and ''3'' were both vast improvements over their predecessors. (''Seiken Densetsu'' was first released in the US as the underwhelming ''Final Fantasy Adventure'')
* ThatOneBoss - Spiky Tiger from ''VideoGame/SecretOfMana''; fighting Vadise and Sierra in ''VideoGame/LegendOfMana'' can be a pain as well since Sierra will revive if you can't defeat Vadise quickly enough.

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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel - SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: ''Seiken Densetsu 2'' (''VideoGame/SecretOfMana'') and ''3'' were both vast improvements over their predecessors. (''Seiken Densetsu'' was first released in the US as the underwhelming ''Final Fantasy Adventure'')
* ThatOneBoss - ThatOneBoss: Spiky Tiger from ''VideoGame/SecretOfMana''; fighting Vadise and Sierra in ''VideoGame/LegendOfMana'' can be a pain as well since Sierra will revive if you can't defeat Vadise quickly enough.
8th Mar '14 3:44:53 AM CassandraLeo
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** For an 8-bit game that came out in a time where Nintendo heavily censored most games, FinalFantasyAdventure has a '''lot''' of tragic [[PlotlineDeath Plotline Deaths]].

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** For an 8-bit game that came out in a time where Nintendo heavily censored most games, FinalFantasyAdventure has a '''lot''' of tragic [[PlotlineDeath Plotline Deaths]]. Naturally carries over in the remake ''SwordOfMana'' as well.
** [[spoiler:The death of the Mana tree just after finding out she was your mother]] in ''Secret of Mana''. Also just about anything involving Purim (the female player character) and Dyluck.
4th Nov '13 10:50:48 AM EarlOfSandvich
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** While it takes longer, Magic spamming (particularly once you get Luna) is similarly game breaking in ''SecretOfMana''. Even more so than ''Seiken Densetsu 3'', considering the fact that the spell animations freeze the enemy in place, so casting with the right rhythm can allow the Sprite to kill any enemy before they can move.
*** ''SecretOfMana'' has a damage cap of 999. By the time you can actually reach that with spells, most bosses will have 3000+ HP, but then again, only two bosses in the entire game have over 5000HP. Also if you leveled up spells to "Level 9" (8:99), if you invoke a Level 9 animation, you effectively can't spam anymore.

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** While it takes longer, Magic spamming (particularly once you get Luna) is similarly game breaking in ''SecretOfMana''.''VideoGame/SecretOfMana''. Even more so than ''Seiken Densetsu 3'', considering the fact that the spell animations freeze the enemy in place, so casting with the right rhythm can allow the Sprite to kill any enemy before they can move.
*** ''SecretOfMana'' ''VideoGame/SecretOfMana'' has a damage cap of 999. By the time you can actually reach that with spells, most bosses will have 3000+ HP, but then again, only two bosses in the entire game have over 5000HP. Also if you leveled up spells to "Level 9" (8:99), if you invoke a Level 9 animation, you effectively can't spam anymore.



*** There's also the Sword Orb bug in ''SecretOfMana'' that you can exploit as soon as you get reliable means of transportation. If you exploit long enough, gives you a sword that can pretty much kill enemies in two hits, at most.
** Having [[spoiler: Blackpearl]] as your NPC assistant in LegendOfMana, since her support ability boosts your super meter to 100%. If you bother to learn ItemCrafting, you can also deck yourself out with an arsenal of god-slaying that makes even the No Future Mode (ALL enemies lvl 99) a breeze.

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*** There's also the Sword Orb bug in ''SecretOfMana'' ''VideoGame/SecretOfMana'' that you can exploit as soon as you get reliable means of transportation. If you exploit long enough, gives you a sword that can pretty much kill enemies in two hits, at most.
** Having [[spoiler: Blackpearl]] as your NPC assistant in LegendOfMana, ''VideoGame/LegendOfMana'', since her support ability boosts your super meter to 100%. If you bother to learn ItemCrafting, you can also deck yourself out with an arsenal of god-slaying that makes even the No Future Mode (ALL enemies lvl 99) a breeze.



** [[spoiler: The Big Bad killing your ExpositionFairy]] in SeikenDensetsu3.
** ''All three'' major story arcs of LegendOfMana
** What happens to UnluckyChildhoodFriend Ritzia in DawnOfMana

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** [[spoiler: The Big Bad killing your ExpositionFairy]] in SeikenDensetsu3.
''VideoGame/SeikenDensetsu3''.
** ''All three'' major story arcs of LegendOfMana
''VideoGame/LegendOfMana''
** What happens to UnluckyChildhoodFriend Ritzia in DawnOfMana''VideoGame/DawnOfMana''



* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel - ''Seiken Densetsu 2'' (''SecretOfMana'') and ''3'' were both vast improvements over their predecessors. (''Seiken Densetsu'' was first released in the US as the underwhelming ''Final Fantasy Adventure'')
* ThatOneBoss - Spiky Tiger from ''SecretOfMana''; fighting Vadise and Sierra in ''LegendOfMana'' can be a pain as well since Sierra will revive if you can't defeat Vadise quickly enough.
** LegendOfMana also has the two Tropicallo fights where you can't attack it directly but can only take off a portion of its HP every time you defeat one of its tentacles. One casts magic at you nonstop unless you knock it off its perch, in which case it self destructs and takes a massive chunk of your HP, and the other attacks aggressively. Both continually respawn until the Tropicallo dies.
** SeikenDensetsu3 had the second fight against the Two Ninjas in the desert.

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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel - ''Seiken Densetsu 2'' (''SecretOfMana'') (''VideoGame/SecretOfMana'') and ''3'' were both vast improvements over their predecessors. (''Seiken Densetsu'' was first released in the US as the underwhelming ''Final Fantasy Adventure'')
* ThatOneBoss - Spiky Tiger from ''SecretOfMana''; ''VideoGame/SecretOfMana''; fighting Vadise and Sierra in ''LegendOfMana'' ''VideoGame/LegendOfMana'' can be a pain as well since Sierra will revive if you can't defeat Vadise quickly enough.
** LegendOfMana ''VideoGame/LegendOfMana'' also has the two Tropicallo fights where you can't attack it directly but can only take off a portion of its HP every time you defeat one of its tentacles. One casts magic at you nonstop unless you knock it off its perch, in which case it self destructs and takes a massive chunk of your HP, and the other attacks aggressively. Both continually respawn until the Tropicallo dies.
** SeikenDensetsu3 ''VideoGame/SeikenDensetsu3'' had the second fight against the Two Ninjas in the desert.
21st Aug '11 6:13:30 PM kraas
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** For an 8-bit game that came out in a time where Nintendo heavily censored most games, FinalFantasyAdventure has a '''lot''' of tragic PlotlineDeaths.

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** For an 8-bit game that came out in a time where Nintendo heavily censored most games, FinalFantasyAdventure has a '''lot''' of tragic PlotlineDeaths.[[PlotlineDeath Plotline Deaths]].
21st Aug '11 6:12:16 PM kraas
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** For an 8-bit game that came out in a time where Nintendo heavily censored most games, FinalFantasyAdventure has a '''lot''' of tragic PlotlineDeaths.
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