History YMMV / WolverineAndTheXMen

17th Sep '16 8:03:21 AM DesertDragon
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** Storm is not only one of the most powerful X-Men, but also one of the group's leaders. In various continuities she has lead the team when Xavier or Cyclops can't. While her not becoming leader makes sense to the plot (she wasn't present when Xavier made Wolverine leader) you would think her leadership skills would make her a valuable second in command. That role falls to Beast, who never gets to do much with it either. Sadly Storm ends up one of the least developed characters on the show with no notable story arcs. TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter indeed.

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** Storm is not only one of the most powerful X-Men, but also one of the group's leaders. In various continuities she has lead the team when Xavier or Cyclops can't. While her not becoming leader makes sense to the plot (she wasn't present when Xavier made Wolverine leader) you would think her leadership skills would make her a valuable second in command. That role falls to Beast, who never gets to do much with it either. Sadly Storm ends up one of the least developed characters on the show with no notable story arcs.arcs and no real reason to be there at all. TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter indeed.
20th Aug '16 8:43:19 PM TheNewBig
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** Similarly, is Cyclops really a FallenHero and HeartbrokenBadass struggling to put his life back together, or is he just a chump who rode other people's coat tails? Or even worse, is he a violent, TooDumbToLive, psychopathic {{Yandere}} ManChild, crippled by an unhealthy relationship from his teen years that he should have outgrown? Or does he just need a hug? There's really not a lot of evidence to back him up as the X-Men's former leader or any kind of competent hero or even a decent boyfriend for either Jean Grey or Emma Frost. For that matter, was Cyclops ever really in love with Jean or was Jean just mind-raping him the whole time? And was he ever really close to Professor Xavier, or was Xavier just mind-raping him as well?

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** Similarly, is Cyclops really a FallenHero and HeartbrokenBadass struggling to put his life back together, or is he just a chump who rode other people's coat tails? Or even worse, is he a violent, TooDumbToLive, psychopathic {{Yandere}} ManChild, crippled by an unhealthy relationship from his teen years that he should have outgrown? Or does he just need a hug? There's really not a lot of evidence to back him up as the X-Men's former leader or any kind of competent hero or even a decent boyfriend for either Jean Grey or Emma Frost. For that matter, was Cyclops ever really in love with Jean or was Jean just mind-raping him the whole time? And was he ever really close to Professor Xavier, or was Xavier just mind-raping him as well?



* DesignatedVillain: Weirdly enough, Cyclops seems to qualify for this as well (or alternately DesignatedEvil). The flashbacks of ''Breakdown'' reveal that when Wolverine first arrived at the Xavier Institute he hit on Jean Grey almost immediately with no regard for whether or not she was in already in a relationship, and then proceeds to mock and taunt Cyclops, which then leads to Cyclops blasting him repeatedly until Jean got in the way and chastised him, saying Wolverine wouldn't fight back because he promised her he wouldn't fight Cyclops. Now sucker blasting Wolverine when the clawed one wouldn't fight back - and apparently when he'd only been there for like a night - doesn't portray Cyclops in the best light, but ''Wolverine'' was the one who went after Jean, acting like a horny biker guy more interested in a hot one night stand than in anything resembling true love, ''AND'' it was Wolverine who was clearly goading Cyclops into a fight. The look in his eyes, the tone of his voice, Wolverine was clearly daring Cyclops to take a swing at him, probably figuring he was all bark and no bite (which turned out to be hilariously wrong) so... how exactly is Cyclops the bad guy here?
** Crosses over into TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter too, as this could have been the moment Wolverine learned to respect Cyclops and establish a VitriolicBestBuds relationship.

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* DesignatedVillain: Weirdly enough, Cyclops seems to qualify for this as well (or alternately DesignatedEvil). The flashbacks of ''Breakdown'' reveal that when Wolverine first arrived at the Xavier Institute he hit on Jean Grey almost immediately with no regard for whether or not she was in already in a relationship, and then proceeds to mock and taunt Cyclops, which then leads to Cyclops blasting him repeatedly until Jean got in the way and chastised him, saying Wolverine wouldn't fight back because he promised her he wouldn't fight Cyclops. Now sucker blasting Wolverine when in the clawed one wouldn't fight back - and apparently when he'd only been there for like nothing more than a night - petty jab doesn't portray Cyclops in the best light, but ''Wolverine'' was the one who went after Jean, acting like a horny biker guy more interested in a hot one night stand than in anything resembling true love, ''AND'' it was Wolverine who was clearly goading Cyclops into a fight. The look in his eyes, the tone of his voice, Wolverine was clearly daring Cyclops to take a swing at him, probably figuring he was all bark and no bite (which turned out to be hilariously wrong) so... how exactly is Cyclops the bad guy here?
** Crosses over into TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter too, as this could have been the moment Wolverine learned to respect Cyclops and establish a VitriolicBestBuds relationship.
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* EvilIsSexy: Selene and, if one considers them evil, Domino and [[spoiler:Rogue]]. Also Sybil Zane.

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* EvilIsSexy: Selene and, if one considers them evil, Selene, Domino and [[spoiler:Rogue]]. Also Sybil Zane.



*** His actions with Wolverine were particularly idiotic. Wolverine's getting a little too cozy with his girl, and he makes some not-too-sublte remarks about his worthiness. Instead of making some remarks of his own like pretty much every other version has done, or suggesting they fight it out, he shoots him in the back, full blast, predictably pissing off Jean, and making Wolverine respect him even less with his cowardly attack.

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*** His actions with Wolverine were particularly idiotic. Wolverine's getting a little too cozy with his girl, and he makes some not-too-sublte not-too-subtle remarks about his worthiness. Instead of making some remarks of his own like pretty much every other version of the character has done, or suggesting they fight it out, he shoots him in the back, full blast, predictably pissing off Jean, and making Wolverine respect him even less with his cowardly attack.
10th Aug '16 5:31:33 PM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: Depending on who you ask, Quentin Quire is either an entertaining breath of fresh air or an obnoxious little shit the writers are misguidedly shoving down everyone's throats.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Depending on who you ask, Quentin Quire is either an entertaining breath of fresh air or an obnoxious little shit the writers are misguidedly shoving down everyone's throats.
10th Aug '16 5:31:09 PM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: Wolverine, as usual.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter:
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Wolverine, as usual.



** The entire series had this going on among comic fans. Some believe it to be the best, most pure and most spiritually honest X-Men series ever, others felt it was just another lame Wolverine cash grab loaded with mostly flat, unlikable characters and mediocre writing.

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** * BrokenBase: The entire series had this going on among comic fans. Some believe it to be the best, most pure and most spiritually honest X-Men series ever, others felt it was just another lame Wolverine cash grab loaded with mostly flat, unlikable characters and mediocre writing.
13th May '16 4:41:52 AM XSpectreGreyX
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* LoveItOrHateIt: Either this series is one of the best X-Men runs in decades, up there with Claremont's original run and Rick Remender's X-Force run... or it's stupid and crazy for the sake of it, and is everything wrong with Jason Aaron as a writer. There is very little ground concerning this series.
30th Apr '16 8:01:57 PM TheNewBig
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** Pretty much any attempt to make it look like Jean actually cares about Cyclops due to Jean being such a FlatCharacter.



** Emma Frost, supposedly seen as a tragic villain, loses quite a few sympathy points when she effectively assaults an unconscious Cyclops.

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** Emma Frost, supposedly seen as a tragic villain, anti-villain, loses quite a few sympathy points when she effectively assaults an unconscious Cyclops.


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*** His actions with Wolverine were particularly idiotic. Wolverine's getting a little too cozy with his girl, and he makes some not-too-sublte remarks about his worthiness. Instead of making some remarks of his own like pretty much every other version has done, or suggesting they fight it out, he shoots him in the back, full blast, predictably pissing off Jean, and making Wolverine respect him even less with his cowardly attack.
23rd Apr '16 9:24:49 AM dartblaze
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** Gambit, naturally. It helped that he was used sparingly (only two episodes) and is rightfully shown as a master thief.

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** Gambit, naturally. It helped that he was used sparingly (only two episodes) and is rightfully shown as to be a master thief.
23rd Apr '16 9:22:20 AM dartblaze
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** Gambit, naturally. It helped that he was used sparingly (only two episodes) and is rightfully shown as a master thief.
5th Apr '16 7:20:55 PM SpideyTerry
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** Magneto in the "Foresight" three-parter. [[spoiler:In the prior episode, Wolverine and Xavier showed him and Senator Kelly what'll happen if they go to war. Kelly took the BadFuture to heart and changed course, but Magneto saw an opportunity. He had Quicksilver kidnap Kelly and Mystique replace him in order to initiate the war. His reasoning is that controlling the other side of the fight meant he could avert the worst outcome for his own, but in order to truly sell mutants on the idea that HumansAreBastards, he was going to allow those on Genosha to be massacred by Sentinels. You can see why Scarlet Witch and Polaris ultimately exiled him from Genosha.]]
21st Mar '16 10:01:51 PM TheNewBig
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* RonTheDeathEater: Hoo, boy, does Jean Grey get no end of this. It seems there's a not a single action the fans haven't demonized her for, and ironically, all of them are either pretty understandable, or just plain harmless. Jean engages in a bit of telepathic flirtation? She's obviously brainwashing Cyke. She gets ticked when her boyfriend blasts a (very heavy) man in the back, hard enough to knock him to the ground? She needs to lighten up! She ties down a woman who was presently *assaulting* her boyfriend? [[UnfortunateImplications That psycho! She wass just getting a taste of her own medicine! Serves her right!]]

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* RonTheDeathEater: Hoo, boy, does Jean Grey get no end of this. It seems there's a not a single action the fans haven't demonized her for, and ironically, all of them are either pretty understandable, or just plain harmless. Jean engages in a bit of telepathic flirtation? She's obviously brainwashing Cyke. She gets ticked when her boyfriend blasts a (very heavy) man in the back, hard enough to knock him to the ground? She needs to lighten up! She ties down a woman who was presently *assaulting* her boyfriend? [[UnfortunateImplications That psycho! She wass was just getting a taste of her own medicine! Serves her right!]]
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