History YMMV / WolverineAndTheXMen

13th May '16 4:41:52 AM XSpectreGreyX
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* LoveItOrHateIt: Either this series is one of the best X-Men runs in decades, up there with Claremont's original run and Rick Remender's X-Force run... or it's stupid and crazy for the sake of it, and is everything wrong with Jason Aaron as a writer. There is very little ground concerning this series.
30th Apr '16 8:01:57 PM TheNewBig
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** Pretty much any attempt to make it look like Jean actually cares about Cyclops due to Jean being such a FlatCharacter.



** Emma Frost, supposedly seen as a tragic villain, loses quite a few sympathy points when she effectively assaults an unconscious Cyclops.

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** Emma Frost, supposedly seen as a tragic villain, anti-villain, loses quite a few sympathy points when she effectively assaults an unconscious Cyclops.


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*** His actions with Wolverine were particularly idiotic. Wolverine's getting a little too cozy with his girl, and he makes some not-too-sublte remarks about his worthiness. Instead of making some remarks of his own like pretty much every other version has done, or suggesting they fight it out, he shoots him in the back, full blast, predictably pissing off Jean, and making Wolverine respect him even less with his cowardly attack.
23rd Apr '16 9:24:49 AM dartblaze
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** Gambit, naturally. It helped that he was used sparingly (only two episodes) and is rightfully shown as a master thief.

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** Gambit, naturally. It helped that he was used sparingly (only two episodes) and is rightfully shown as to be a master thief.
23rd Apr '16 9:22:20 AM dartblaze
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** Gambit, naturally. It helped that he was used sparingly (only two episodes) and is rightfully shown as a master thief.
5th Apr '16 7:20:55 PM SpideyTerry
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** Magneto in the "Foresight" three-parter. [[spoiler:In the prior episode, Wolverine and Xavier showed him and Senator Kelly what'll happen if they go to war. Kelly took the BadFuture to heart and changed course, but Magneto saw an opportunity. He had Quicksilver kidnap Kelly and Mystique replace him in order to initiate the war. His reasoning is that controlling the other side of the fight meant he could avert the worst outcome for his own, but in order to truly sell mutants on the idea that HumansAreBastards, he was going to allow those on Genosha to be massacred by Sentinels. You can see why Scarlet Witch and Polaris ultimately exiled him from Genosha.]]
21st Mar '16 10:01:51 PM TheNewBig
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* RonTheDeathEater: Hoo, boy, does Jean Grey get no end of this. It seems there's a not a single action the fans haven't demonized her for, and ironically, all of them are either pretty understandable, or just plain harmless. Jean engages in a bit of telepathic flirtation? She's obviously brainwashing Cyke. She gets ticked when her boyfriend blasts a (very heavy) man in the back, hard enough to knock him to the ground? She needs to lighten up! She ties down a woman who was presently *assaulting* her boyfriend? [[UnfortunateImplications That psycho! She wass just getting a taste of her own medicine! Serves her right!]]

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* RonTheDeathEater: Hoo, boy, does Jean Grey get no end of this. It seems there's a not a single action the fans haven't demonized her for, and ironically, all of them are either pretty understandable, or just plain harmless. Jean engages in a bit of telepathic flirtation? She's obviously brainwashing Cyke. She gets ticked when her boyfriend blasts a (very heavy) man in the back, hard enough to knock him to the ground? She needs to lighten up! She ties down a woman who was presently *assaulting* her boyfriend? [[UnfortunateImplications That psycho! She wass was just getting a taste of her own medicine! Serves her right!]]
21st Mar '16 10:01:19 PM TheNewBig
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* RonTheDeathEater: Hoo, boy, does Jean Grey get no end of this. It seems there's a not a single action the fans haven't demonized her for, and ironically, all of them are either pretty understandable, or just plain harmless. Jean engages in a bit of telepathic flirtation? She's obviously brainwashing Cyke. She gets ticked when her boyfriend blasts a (very heavy) man in the back, hard enough to knock him to the ground? She needs to lighten up!
She ties down a woman who was presently *assaulting* her boyfriend? [[UnfortunateImplications That psycho! She's just getting a taste of her own medicine! Serves her right!]]

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* RonTheDeathEater: Hoo, boy, does Jean Grey get no end of this. It seems there's a not a single action the fans haven't demonized her for, and ironically, all of them are either pretty understandable, or just plain harmless. Jean engages in a bit of telepathic flirtation? She's obviously brainwashing Cyke. She gets ticked when her boyfriend blasts a (very heavy) man in the back, hard enough to knock him to the ground? She needs to lighten up!
up! She ties down a woman who was presently *assaulting* her boyfriend? [[UnfortunateImplications That psycho! She's She wass just getting a taste of her own medicine! Serves her right!]]
21st Mar '16 10:00:30 PM TheNewBig
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* RonTheDeathEater: Hoo, boy, does Jean Grey get no end of this. It seems there's a not a single action the fans haven't demonized her for, and ironically, all of them are either pretty understandable, or just plain harmless.
Jean engages in a bit of telepathic flirtation? She's obviously brainwashing Cyke.
She gets ticked when her boyfriend blasts a (very heavy) man in the back, hard enough to knock him to the ground? She needs to lighten up!
Tying down a woman who was presently *assaulting* her boyfriend? [[UnfortunateImplications She's just getting a taste of her own medicine! Serves her right!]]

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* RonTheDeathEater: Hoo, boy, does Jean Grey get no end of this. It seems there's a not a single action the fans haven't demonized her for, and ironically, all of them are either pretty understandable, or just plain harmless.
harmless. Jean engages in a bit of telepathic flirtation? She's obviously brainwashing Cyke.
Cyke. She gets ticked when her boyfriend blasts a (very heavy) man in the back, hard enough to knock him to the ground? She needs to lighten up!
Tying She ties down a woman who was presently *assaulting* her boyfriend? [[UnfortunateImplications That psycho! She's just getting a taste of her own medicine! Serves her right!]]
21st Mar '16 9:59:03 PM TheNewBig
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* RonTheDeathEater: Jean gets hit with this hard, due to the way her character is handled in the show. She is both FlatCharacter who's only personality is being voiced by Creator/JenniferHale, and the character around which so much of the show revolves. Her existence motivates Scott (and as we discover later, Emma), but she has so little characterization that it's very easy for viewers to project onto her any characteristics and motivations they want.\\
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Is she a hypocrite for being pissed off at Scott for attacking Logan over a mere taunt, while later slamming down on Emma for making out with the unconscious Scott (notably after Jean was just the victim of MindRape)? Well, we haven't seen enough of her personality to know what she's normally like, so who's to say that people are wrong to see it that way?\\
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Is she overly flirtatious with Logan and basically emotionally controlling Scott, or is she just being friendly to the new guy who was just attacked by her boyfriend? Again, not enough character to know one way or another.\\
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Is she mentally controlling Scott to love him? Well, she has been shown to use her powers by accident before. And it ''would'' explain why Scott is so dysfunctional without her. But she is so much of a non-entity in the show, and we see so little of their relationship, that we can't know either way.\\
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Since Jean is at the core of so many of the most criticized aspects of this show, and yet has so little personality and character, it becomes very easy for viewers to decide that she's the villain.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Hoo, boy, does Jean gets hit with this hard, due to Grey get no end of this. It seems there's a not a single action the way her character is handled in the show. She is both FlatCharacter who's only personality is being voiced by Creator/JenniferHale, and the character around which so much of the show revolves. Her existence motivates Scott (and as we discover later, Emma), but she has so little characterization that it's very easy for viewers to project onto her any characteristics and motivations they want.\\
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Is she a hypocrite for being pissed off at Scott for attacking Logan over a mere taunt, while later slamming down on Emma for making out with the unconscious Scott (notably after Jean was just the victim of MindRape)? Well, we
fans haven't seen demonized her for, and ironically, all of them are either pretty understandable, or just plain harmless.
Jean engages in a bit of telepathic flirtation? She's obviously brainwashing Cyke.
She gets ticked when her boyfriend blasts a (very heavy) man in the back, hard
enough of her personality to know what she's normally like, so who's to say that people are wrong to see it that way?\\
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Is she overly flirtatious with Logan and basically emotionally controlling Scott, or is she just being friendly
knock him to the new guy ground? She needs to lighten up!
Tying down a woman
who was just attacked by presently *assaulting* her boyfriend? Again, not enough character to know one way or another.\\
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Is she mentally controlling Scott to love him? Well, she has been shown to use
[[UnfortunateImplications She's just getting a taste of her powers by accident before. And it ''would'' explain why Scott is so dysfunctional without her. But she is so much of a non-entity in the show, and we see so little of their relationship, that we can't know either way.\\
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Since Jean is at the core of so many of the most criticized aspects of this show, and yet has so little personality and character, it becomes very easy for viewers to decide that she's the villain.
own medicine! Serves her right!]]


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** Emma Frost, supposedly seen as a tragic villain, loses quite a few sympathy points when she effectively assaults an unconscious Cyclops.
2nd Mar '16 6:35:44 PM Ramona122003
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* TheyJustDidntCare: For a show that was supposed to be all different and edgy and unlike any X-Men cartoon ever seen before...the series recycled a ''lot'' of familiar beats, and the writing was surprisingly, painfully sloppy more often than not. Including, but not limited to, squandering precious episodes on Wolverine having G-rated fights with TheIncredibleHulk, the entire X-Men team (sans Nightcrawler) being kidnapped by ninjas, or a {{Narm}}tastic butchering of Cyclops's origin. And, when they weren't busy failing to offer any kind of logical reason for why Wolverine just ''had'' to be in charge, they were wasting time rehashing the Dark Phoenix Saga, the Hellfire Club/Inner Circle, the Shadow King and Days of Future Past - and not even doing a good job rehashing them. And this isn't even getting into playing up movie stereotypes like Wolverine being the center of the X-universe and being the one true love of Jean Grey, Rogue's go to guy for familial support and one true surrogate son and heir to Professor Charles Xavier, despite the fact that he apparently spent even ''less'' time with them in this show's universe than he did in the movies.
** The animation and character designs, while not terrible, are nothing special either. Where past X-Men cartoons managed to give everyone their own unique and distinct look W&TXM's designs are all pretty much identical, to the point that after a while you really do feel like you're seeing the exact same face that was simply stacked onto a different body and given different eyes and different hair.
** Pretty much everything about Cyclops from his characterization to his relationships and his obsession with finding Jean is written so sloppily it's not even funny.
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